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This time we're going to look at the reason why right wing men are so sad, and have been put in a position where they feel the need to constantly feed on misery in order to explain how they feel about the world. We'll also learn how these feelings are manipulated by various outlets like the media and the internet, to radicalise them, turning them against progress in the belief that it works in opposition to men and masculinity.
Huge thanks to Dylan Reid Miller / mxdylanreid
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Prologue 0:00
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I can't take alpha/beta/omega male thing seriously without thinking of the omegaverse porn genre
Same shroomjak
Thank God I'm not the only one
Whenever i hear that, I immediately start thinking about math and machine learning. Can’t help myself
have ever heard of sigma male?! that's the real deal bro 😎
what in the goddamn hell is google showing me, lmao
That alpha/beta/sigma male thing is the most ridiculous categorization I know. No idea why it became so popular.
@Zuma Zuma not only that but the wolf researchers came out and said that their whole alpha beta thing is wrong but it was too late.
It makes me think of OmegaVerse smut. Makes it sooooo much more entertaining when a dude says he's an alpha.
Some people tend to forget that we evolved past other animals.
Finally, a comment I can agree with...
There seems to be a correlation between insecurity and being obsessed with personality tests.
Salari: “Normalize skirts for men”
Scotland: “hold my kilt”
Didn't they do it so they could hide knives on their bodies? If so, the scotts are clearly doing it the best
@@BestBetterBestest “knives”?
@@BestBetterBestest where did you got that from?
@@tombkings6279 I've heard that too, because its easier to reach an ankle/calve knife with a skirt than it is a pair of pants I just assumed it was the reason.
@@tombkings6279 read it somewhere, but I can't remember where lol
I once came across a thread on Facebook that asked "What does it mean to be a man?" The comments section was filled with various predictable responses - you have to know how to fix a car, shoot a gun, hunt animals, how to fight. You couldn't have a man-bun... that one was weird, but consistent. What I noticed in scrolling through these answers was that not a single one mentioned anything about how you treat other people. Nothing about fulfilling your responsibilities, helping or encouraging anyone, or setting an example for children, or respecting women, elders, each other... or yourself. Nothing about having the strength and courage to be vulnerable and support people who are feeling weak. Nothing about kindness, patience, or cooperation. Nothing that would actually build a positive, healthy society, family, or self-image.
I think about that thread a lot these days.
Fix a car, shoot a gun, hunt, fight... How many men actually know these things?? I don't know about USA, but here in Europe we go to a mechanic to fix a car. The times when you would tinker about it on your own are at least 30 years in the last. We don't have (nor want) guns, we don't _hunt_ (ever heard of this shop called the butcher's?) and the only people who really "fight" are martial arts buffs. Shooting, hunting, fighting... those are HOBBIES, guys. At least in 21 century. This idea of a "man" is a ridiculous mix of someone from the 50s and the f*cking _Bronze Age_
No wonder you're miserable if that's what you're striving for...
@@weareallbornmad410 you live in a completely different culture. people talk trash, or "take the piss" out of each other, but never throw hands. I'm a fairly small guy who has been jumped and beat up more times than i care to admit, so learning BJJ was an obvious choice. as far as fixing your own car, that's more about saving money. sure, you can take it to a mechanic, or you can spend a small fraction of what they charge on parts and learn to do it yourself. most repairs aren't that complicated, you can learn how to do most things from a quick tutorial right here on youtube. you also learn to be self-sufficient, and know how to do these things in case things go "tits up" and there's no longer a mechanic to go to
@@weareallbornmad410 I live in Chicago and thanks to the liberals crime is through the roof so I need to shoot and fight to survive.
@@pitbossea what if I told you that Republicans wouldn’t be able to fix your city’s problems, and if they could they would win elections there?
@@dstinnettmusic I don’t care about elections it’s just a fact one political group has made me life harder to where I need to train like a caveman to survive just so they can hold onto power.
"What is a man?"
The correct answer is, "a miserable little pile of secrets." _throws wine glass_
Hehe ain’t that right 🦇
I won't lie, I was soooo tempted to dress up as Dracula and do that for the intro
@@Salari King you S h o u l d h a v e
@@Salari Every Breadtuber ends up dressed as a vampire sooner or later. No point in delaying it.
But enough talk...HAVE AT YOU!!
Salari: "normalize skirts for men"
The Minoans: "What else are you supposed to wear?"
The Ancient Egyptians: "You can wear your skirt long or short and pleated or unpleated."
The Romans: "Say no more, fam."
The Medieval knights: "Yeah, you can leave your hose off if you're warm in summer."
The Scots: "Sure."
Barbaric pants
@@FlushedNoob Hehe.
Btw. here is a very interesting documentary about the oldest trousers we have found so far: th-cam.com/video/Pl7siWwzibs/w-d-xo.html
@@MrDoorChime um
No thanks I would rather wear dirty shirt and pants than a nice looking loincloth anyday
@UCaEBVEvgHwXwO359FgtNPrg why are you even here? You know comments aid channel engaging and promote videos right?
Interesting historical note: During the 17th century, in Europe, public crying was considered a sign of a healthy man. Men who never cried when upset or moved in front of others were considered cold and somehow damaged or unreliable. The expression of strong emotions by men was expected - this did include anger but was not limited to it. Joy and sorrow were part of being human and it was natural to express them. This wasn't an age of soft and peaceful men either, the 16th and 17th centuries were periods of social tumult and devastating wars. Men were soldiers and generals, but also farmers, builders, preachers, traders and scientists. And they all cried in public when they felt sadness, or for joy.
Sounds like a pretty liberating attitude. ^_^
I have read somewhere that it was common during the medieval age for soldiers to cry with each other the night before a day of battle, because of how afraid they were to die (or worst). I don't know if it's true, but it remind me of what you wrote.
@@NIHIL_EGO Have you ever read a little book called the Illiad? Achilles, Odysseus, Ajax, Hector and all the others; it's a menagerie of the most manliest men who ever manned (?) and they're all described as weeping in agony when their friends die, or when one of the heroes suffers an agonizing fate. Especially Hector, greatest among the Trojans, is shown to be a fearsome warrior but at home a gentle, soft spoken and loving father/husband. Achilles goes literally mad with grief when his best friend (and let's be honest: lover) Patrocles is taken from him.
@@michaelblower7363 Salari does make mistakes in this video though.
He clearly does not understand that (let alone why)
life-long LGBT-Allys are upset about the current very-very-sexist
Gender-Swapping and other Issues of Modern Hollywood.
It sounds almost naive when he utters the completly-positive
Words 'Inclusivity is Good and Representation
is Needed', while showing hes totally unaware of the entire Concept
of 'Twisted Inclusivity and Bad Representation'.
Source?
Stay-at-home-dad here, one who cries, gets all in his moody-ass feels, and is totally in love with his family. Your video validates many life choices... despite a lot of pop culture telling my otherwise... Thank you.
Hope you are doing well, hats off from me 🎩
@@Dragon_Fire_2468 🙏
Absolute king
Yet you would be called a beta for being a stay at home dad, while at the same time those same dudes preach on and on about how "Men should be the head of the family"
Keep being you. Kids need fathers like you. Women who want healthy relationships for their children and themselves, need men like you. Truly. You don’t know how much how you carry yourself in your role as a father and partner really affect your kids and how they’ll partner in the future.
Keep being you.
I just don't like that people celebrate big companies like disney as heros for doing representation when they are the ones that were surpressing it back when it wasn't profitable
And of course anything with worldwide release is not allowed representation, especially if it can't be cut out for the overseas release.
Trust me, as someone who socialises a lot with LGBTQ+ people (being part of the community myself as an enby lesbian) a good majority know full well the shit Disney and other big companies do behind the scenes, if we are talking about LGBTQ+ rep, at least. It's one of those cases where they will claim to be allies during pride month but still refuse, censor or edit any non-cishet content to appease parts of the world that still treat it as criminal.
Perhaps it used to be more impressive seeing Disney make steps towards more representation, but I think we can all agree that by the 20th '1st gay character' they add for five seconds on the background of a movie without the slightest focus on it, it's become a bit of an inside joke.
@Crow I mean most of what I watch is Japanese Anime since I'm half Japanese, but I never looked at it through any kind of woke angle simce it's my second language and Japanese products never try to get bonus points through woke marketing, they just try to make the best product they can
@Crow I guess it's a matter of exposure. Nearly the entire planet has heard of Disney, they have the money to advertise and reaching a big audience is much easier for them than a relatively smaller or unknown studio, no matter the quality of their work. Sadly, unless you have big money backing you up, having your art seen is a big hit or miss. All that really can be done is to spread the word through recommendations.
Or maybe the people who worked for Disney 60 years are not the same people who work for Disney now. You do realize companies ideas evolve.
The cruelty of these men when you don't fit inside their beauty standards. I understand not finding someone attractive, but the lengths they go to convey thier disinterest borders psychotic. I've seen these men ignore women speaking directly to them, avoid eye contact and even insult the best friend of the girl they're trying to woo. Who would want to date someone so mean?
When people call anyone ugly it usually tells you more about them than the person they are referring to.
Most women are conditioned to like men like that honestly
@@krs1297 Nope.
When guys do that, they follow the crusty sock that is the advice of pick up 'artists'. Somehow, treating a woman like dirt, treating other women like dirt while they can perceive it, etc, shows them how 'alpha' and 'desirable' they are.
That's also why every single 'nice guy' who holds fast to the belief that 'women just want to be treated like dirt' (Hi, Kendal, I see your comment right there!) will turn on a dime from "Good day m'Lady, what a fine creature you are"; to unloading abuse on women. Because if you trash their self-image, you can have a better standing.
It's fascinating. And sad.
Someone who thinks they are worthless and a man like that is the only thing they deserve in life.
I am a girl but I remember around the age of 13 or so a lot of right wing type content started being recommended to me on TH-cam. I used to watch Hunter Avalone and some other creators that fall on the right. I didn’t realize this at the time, but I was essentially being radicalized to have batshit viewpoints towards women and minorities. Which was weird considering that I am a minority woman myself. For me it didn’t take much to break out of these toxic mindsets because my own lived experience served as counterpoints to whatever these creators were spewing. But I truly feel sad for people that are sucked deeper into this whole. The only reason I was able to break out of it was because my real life experiences as a woman didn’t line up with their ideologies.
The exact same thing happened to me. I was around 12-13 when I started watching right wing “anti sjw” content, then eventually I grew up and realized that hating on my own gender didn’t benefit me whatsoever and just made me more insecure and miserable than I already was. I’m very glad I got out of it before my adult years
Similar here. I got really against “the trans agenda” before finally realizing the reason I “didn’t understand how gender could be about feelings” was because I never felt like my AGAB.
That’s not the only reason, the alt right had some obvious bullshit, but just realizing they were talking about people like me was a huge fucking wake up call. I can’t imagine how I could’ve turned up if that epiphany never happened for me, if I never had that “wait, that’s me!” Moment.
Yes! I had a similar experience, same age. Something strange I experienced from that was, I am afab and identified as a girl at the time I'd been watching this right wing type of content, I'd also been raised with feminist (but also terf leaning) viewpoints. And what's interesting to me is that I never really felt effected at all by these influener's misogyny or excusing of racism and such. I actually identified more with masculine-man related connotations. Like I used to watch Tony Robbins when I was around 12, and other rich modivational speakers, and they'd always be talking to straight men, and for them, and I felt included in that. I understand now that I'm actually a bi trans-masc, but this is an important experience to me, mainly because it showed me how other boys get sucked into this stuff, but also how trans men and trans mascs can too. I think it could in some ways quantify radicalization, for this group, because I have memories of experiencing misogyny and objectification when I was forced to present as a girl, and that made me feel emasculated and devalued, similar, but not the same as what an actual girl would feel. But I feel that this is a big problem in my community, because it feel like a lot of trans men do have that reaction, and think they're excluded from pushing misogyny because at one point they lived as a girl.
same! I was around 12 at the time and had the same experience, I knew I was gay at the time and developed internalized homophobia. Because of that I didn't came out to my parents until recently, I knew they would accept me for who I am, I just didn't think that my sexuality is something to be proud of because right wing content paints gay people as cringe, overly sensitive, perverts and 12-year-old me believed it, so I didn't want to associate with "the gay community." I only got out of that toxic mindset because overtime I realized that the LGBTQ+ community is not a monolith, right wing media and its audience only wants to see the side that they don't like in order to maintain this idea that gay people are weird and bad and that not being stoned to death because of their sexuality/ gender is the pinnacle of gay rights. They think that every step towards LGBTQ+ acceptance will suddenly propagate the bad side of the community.
They also love to blow things way out of proportion, people dressing up however they like = threat to masculinity/ femininity, sex/ gender education = sexualizing children, welfare = communism, feminism = the oppression of straight men, etc. It's all just black and white to them and we all know the world doesn't work that way. Of coarse this doesn't apply to all right wingers but most of their media and literature uses this kind of rhetoric in order to cultivate an illusion of straightforwardness and logic but it's all just fear-based non-sense.
sorry, English is not my first language so there might be some grammar mistakes
I remember around 13 getting really into Steven Crowder and other right wing youtubers. I had a lesbian friend at the time and some poc friends so I couldn't get myself to fully believe what these youtubers said because I'd always think but my friend is nothing like that. However for some reason while I couldn't apply the righy wing ideologies to people I knew I found it easy to apply it to myself. Oh I'm a girl I should be a homemaker that's my job, that's what I'm for. Fortunately that mindset didn't last too long cuz the people around me contradicted those beliefs. So the social side of right wing beliefs I moved away from by 15 but I still believed in the economic side, the pandemic made me change my mind on that too lol. But if I wasn't surrounded by people who kept contradicting what these people on the internet were telling me I think I would've gone further and further down the hole. Cuz my experiences I could write off or ignore, but I couldn't write off my friend's experiences and what I saw them go through.
When you believe child abuse is okay, you did not turn out fine.
The fact that a whole generation of traumatised men were forced into this “men don’t express their emotions”-shtick is insane. As a child of a veteran, whom I’m very sure suffers from undiagnosed PTSD, it is horrendous for everyone to live with. The world would be a much better place if men went to therapy.
My whole country, Germany that is, suffers from this. Two World Wars in short time, and even before that wars.
The men that came back were ashamed because they had lost and everyone knew about the horror of the Nazis. They didn't get any therapy ( maybe a priest if they found the courage to open up) and just shut up. They bottled everything inside.
Because the men had been in war, the woman weren't allowed to voice their emotions and horrors either, the bombings, the rapes, the hunger. So most of them just shut up and bottled their emotions inside.
On top of that, some stupid women Dr. had written a book about how to raise children in the Nazitime, but it was a bestseller even long after war. It's most basic message is, you are never allowed to spoil the babies, since they grow up too weak and manipulate you. If the baby cries you let it cry, you are not allowed to go in their room and absolutly not allowed to touch it. Even wrting this makes my moma heard ache. So what happenend, the poor worms also stopped crying because of exaustion. They were traumatized as soon as they were born.
A whole country of traumatized, bottled up people and people wonder why the German appears so cold in comparison to other nations. The trauma wanders from family member to the next generation, until some courageous soul finally takes on therapy and breakes the cycle a bit and get's to their emotions.
@@skarbuskreska that's absolutely heart breaking oh my lord
i question, if some men project vurnerability, would you ALWAYS respond in kind or disgust ? the honest answer to it will provide the most basic reason as to wether the "schtick" continue or not
It's not just men who need to go to therapy, it's also society that needs to LET THEM speak about their experiences and feelings.
@@weareeverywhere8851
i’m not an incel or MGTOW dude but this video made me feel a lot better about myself. thanks man
Those incel/MGTOW dudes arent all tradcons y`know. Salari hasn`t said anything unique, he gets all his opinions from other leftwing personalities because just like them there is nothing inside his head.
Hell yeah, bro. 😎 glad to hear it. Too many dudes don’t hear this stuff enough.
@@grapenut6094 huh?
@@grapenut6094 I've explored the red pill community for years now. It is indeed full of political propaganda that normies can't see.
@@shoshishoshi127 Didnt say it wasnt.
Depressed, lonely people have always been the highest-yield recruiting targets for any type of cult. In that sense, this isn't even surprising.
Is that why cuckoldry is primarily a left wing thing?
@@libertusprimus [citation needed]
Especially because literally the only people who I _ever_ see talking about cuckoldry, _ever,_ are the most right wing & terminally-online white nationalists and/or white supremacists.
@@dildonius Exactly.
@@libertusprimus believe me it is more rightwing than leftwing. The obsession is far greater on the right side. Greets from a black bull x
The Right is not a cult.
I'm a heterosexual masculine man that's a gogo dancer in a very left leaning community. I'm a pretty hard left leaning person myself, but I can say from experience that there is a lack of understanding and support for masculine men in left leaning communities making it difficult for these men to find guidance, help, and support with only right leaning communities and people to turn to.
Yes! I'm a... non masculine man and i was thinking about this for a while.
I am exercising looking past my own little box and thinking about how life is for men who are masculine and leftwing. Also masculine and LGBT+, too.
That's why I hate the two party system with every cell of my body, it politicizes things that I really don't wanna.
Sadly I cant do much other than reassure my fellows that it's okay for them to be who they are around me and to treat other people like me with respect makes them cool 😎
Exactly
I definitely believe that's true and I totally understand why it exists.
How exactly are you all defining your own masculinity? I am just curious, no shade here.
You’re not masculine. Left wing men can never be masculine, stop lying soy boy
As soon as you mentioned corporations profiting off of the vulnerability of men, I got an ad for a "patriot's power generator" that "helps keep me and my family safe in a quiet way that doesn't attract criminals." But I didn't even realize it was an ad lmao. By the time the guy got around to demonstrating that the generator would run his fridge, I thought the segment had been going on too damn long... and then I realized 🤦♀️
I had the same thing happen with an add for a podcast called " Real American Man" or something like that.
Had the exact same thing! Except it was some ad about soy ruining your diet. I legit thought it was some segment/clip/bit, then I looked up and realised I could skip the ad.
@@Spamhard Turns out, soy is healthy! I thought is wasnt because it's processed, boy am I glad I was wrong! Tofu is tasty. Also seitan. How something like that can actually be good for you is a shock to me, but, still glad to know of it!
@@rosemali3022 You know soy is just beans, right? :|a Soyabeans are just beans, they're not processed food. It's like saying "boy howdy I had no idea peas could be good for you, but they are!"
@@Spamhard well yeah lol, I really meant tofu.
I'd say left wing people are also pretty sad but right wing men seem to genuinely loathe themselves a lot of the time for not living up to a fantasy version of manhood while left wing guys still being pretty depressed seem much more comfortable to actually express themselves and talk about there issues in more productive ways
lol I guess we're all pretty sad
Sad about different things. I have experienced being an extremist on the left wing, and I was sad because I couldn’t see the world ever being a truly kind and respectful place. (Mainly due to the kind of people spewing hate that I would encounter on the right)
We live in rough times, makes sense most people regardless of politics would be in a bad place rn
I agree with that first comment. We re all sad as hell, modern times is so confusing
I think inside groups of people there is diverse perspective of life. Saying "left wing people are like" "right wing people are like" only generates stereotypes
this makes me so sad - I have a male friend who has everything (fairly good-looking, smart, can get girls etc all the things men are traditionally "meant" to have to be alpha) but he went through an experience with his mother, heard stories about other women through his friends and then went online to validate his issues with women. He texted me to ask 'do women have it worse than men' and actually said he wanted to ask me because "I'm not like other girls e.g. ig bimbos and feminist". To which I replied what's wrong with being either of those and answered mostly yes to his initial question. Long conversation passes including a phone call and now I'm being ignored :/
Sorry..
Any time a man (no matter who that is) tells you: "you're not like other girls", *IT IS NEVER A COMPLIMENT* .
Both men and women are complex creatures that can't be reduced to simplistic terms like "men only need food, coitus, and have their egos stroked", and "all women need is to talk, be heard, and a man with money". *NO!*
Men and women are way more than those things. Both men and women need more than just "coitus, food, and money". We need our families, friends, we need education...we need each other and our communities because nobody can truly fend for themselves.
It's because you are like them, you ate the bimbofemi crap up and reurgitated it, what did you expect to happen???
@@metagen77 the incel
@@eldron29-a54 You wish
The no airbags thing reminded of me when a random fb boomer called me "f*g" for wearing a helmet in my profile picture. A picture of me tree skiing.
Fellas, is it femme to not want brain injuries?
Brain injuries could be helpful to get into the mindset of angry right-wing boomers, maybe that's the reason they aren't too afraid of them?
Nothing annoys me more than wanna-be Rambo dudes who feel emasculated by common sense safety measures. Like yea sure do the world a favor and go motorcycling without protection and a helmet lol good luck in the afterlife mr. Alpha man
@@zahraakadhem9913 That's why there is a saying in my country " people don't cry until they see their own coffins". Most people don't act tough when they see certain death and that's normal. Those who show calmness are either trained or have been desensitized. But we don't mistake stoic as ignorant bravado. Most people like that don't act tough again after a real accident. If they survived it.
Yes, of course it is, because your male privilege is supposed to be the only thing that protects you from the big bad world.
Lmaooo
In Norse mythology Loki temporarily becomes a woman and the children he gives birth to bring about Ragnarok. Loki is a trickster god, never one to match any roles or expectations
he didnt birth those, he had those with angrboda. the one he birthed was slepnir.
I know he was a lady horse for a bit there
Thanks for explaining that. I've seen a few people who are into Norse Mythology say Loki couldn't ever shape-shifting into a woman . . . Because . . . They never give a good explanation for why not lol
Based Loki
Ok, but he turned into a female horse and birthed Sleipnir, Odin's eight-legged horse. He was the father to the rest of his children. Also, Ragnorok is a self-fulfilling prophecy, Loki isn't soley responsible for it.
And above all, it's very important not to forget that being a masculine man has nothing to do with sexual orientation: just remember two of the most masculine and powerful men ever: Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar: the first had a male lover (like all men in Ancient Greece), is wife Roxanne was just a marriage made by political strategy, and the second was known as "the man of all women and the woman of all men".
Nothing is more emasculating than hitting it from the back.
Don't forget Achilles.
@@weareeverywhere8851 you the the kind of man this video talks about
@@athenam4724 nice
It's not really clear if Caesar actually had male lovers (specifically where he was the "bottom" as it were), that rumour came from the fact that in his youth he spent a long time in the court of king Nicomedes IV of Bithynia while on a diplomatic mission, who when he died left his kingdom to Rome. It's easy to see how one of Caesar's many political enemies could spread a rumour that the two were lovers, and this sort of thing wasn't uncommon slander.
Your jab at the Quartering was right on. I used to watch him for a brief time and then I quickly began to realize that he was just an angry immature outrage baiter who doesn't make actual original content. Glad i now avoid channels Like his
Similar story for me... I showed up on the internet community scene to talk with folks about whatever for the first time around 2014. When the whole gamer gater thing was going down.
Mass outrage for unifinished, online only, micro transaction games. I was part of that outrage. Still am. Hated what I was seeing happening to video games. They literally are turning from a fun hobby to a wallet rape system...
So I raged hard, often at fairly left leaning folks who supported this crap. I ended up running into some right wingers who didn't approve of micro transactions at all. So I allied myself with them. THEN I started to learn how dog shit the right actually is. They got super mad at me for saying that sexists in gaming should go ef themselves. It was at that point that I realized I effed up for alligning myself with these pos...
Sure the left aint perfect and has a few pos that support corporate bull crap... But the right is sooooooo much worse. Just because I found a few right wingers who seemed anti corporate, doesn't mean they really were and definitely doesn't mean they are decent people.
Sigh... The gaming scene suuucks so hard...
But long complex story short... I found myself hanging out with scum and slowly learned I needed to get the fudge outta there. Glad I did!
the quartering is astonishingly cringe
Salari's shilling for Israel and being apologetic for current brutal genocide is not any better.
Alpha/beta categories is just star signs for men
"The apes humanity are descended from has alpha males which monopolized females and behaved in a dictatorial fashion. in order to cooperate on the hunt, the alpha framework broke down and sex was democratized. In human history the struggle between constitutional states and tyrannies are really struggles between the alpha male and egalitarian side of human and ape nature" -Whatifalthist
@@pollf100 i think you took "return to monke" a little to far lad
@@pollf100 I’m a fan of his but some of his pseudo philosophical views are straight up ridiculous.
straight men, actually
@@Lucy-cl2qk you know he was quoting someone else, right? and he called these sentiments "pseudo philosophical", right?
Personally, I'm of the opinion that this part of a larger trend of dehumanization that's been accelerating for the past Century or so, primarily because of american style capitalism and other similar monetary systems.
Those systems, by their nature, devalue human life as the profit motive always comes first. The value of human life is not innate in this system, it is directly proportional to your productivity in your job, whether that be manufacturing, or in the more modern day, the service industry. You are the product, and you are selling yourself either literally or metaphorically, meaning that pricelessness of human life now has a price.
I think the reason why we see this behavior so tied with conservationism is because it's a conservative ideology, you must be productive it work, you must to trim you to the system, in this framework you were just another cog in the Machine, and you only have as much value as your output. If you aren't successful within that framework, or the way you express yourself has some detriment your productivity, that you're a "parasite" as Rand calls it. Its why you see corporations proudly promoting LGBTQ issues, even though they don't actually care, but you won't see a single one of them promoting I think about disabilities, your individuality is only relevant so far is it makes you more productive, and to these companies, disabilities are often not productive (whether that's true or not).
As time goes on, more people tie their identity to this system, and eventually, when the system fails to bring the fulfillment that it promises, it is the fault of the other tribe, the people unwilling to conform to the system or can't succeed within the system due to something about them as an individual. It is not the system that fails, but those incapable of participating in it, as they reap the benefits of my labor while refusing to commit there own.
The entire ideology encourages this transactional human interaction, that you put "productivity" in, and you get "reward" out. You pay for dinner so you expect sex, you pay taxes so only YOU should reap the benefits of those taxes, and anything that interferes with you being productive, or fails to give you a reward for your effort, is broken, wrong, not operating with the system as intended.
Humans are individuals, but we are also a social species, and I think the false sense of hyper-individuality that the system promotes has created a group of selfish people who can only see socializing as a transaction, and fries in entitlement when the reward for their efforts is not given.
Add while I mostly speak about this in the context of conservatives, this is true for people on all sides of the political spectrum of any background. The expectation that somebody's willing to share their political opinion online, the expectation that people creating media for the own personal enjoyment "owe you" for making them popular, etc.
While conservatives are certainly the most radical and easily apparent symptom of this problem, we all to an extent exhibit this behavior, and the insidiousness of it is that rather than overtly try and police how we act and think, it makes us police the behaviors of each other, and gives the illusion progress.
Edit: holy fuck COG in the machine, not cock lmao. Fucking speech-to-text
OMG THIS IS SO TRUE
@@blarghblargh it was not, my speech to text just sucks lmao. I'll pretend it was intentional.
Man, that really took all the momentum out of my comment lmao
u right
@@pennyforyourthots huh it deleted my comment. maybe cause I posted a dictionary link.
anyhow, nah, your comment is still pretty good :)
Sadly there's merchandising about being disabled. Capitalism don't frigging care but knowd that faking that it gives a sht, make corporations look good.
When I was a teen, there was this one guy who kept badgering me about using make up and dressing up more girly. He kept going on and on about it, once for literal hours (we were onva duty assigned to us by the teacher, so I couldn't remove myself from the situation). I still don't know what all of this was about. However, the video has me wondering if it's possible that the guy had a crush on me, but thought that my less than average looks would reflect badly on him as a man, so he tried to change me into something more acceptable.
No he didn't have a crush on you he just thought you looked funny
@@ghengiskhan9308 based and sigma ghengis
Moral of the story: don’t take advice from lunatics in their moms basement who browse 4chan all day
Incelmatics and Facelms comes to mind.
Yeah prefer the advice of a « man » who thinks he’s the Queen of England, trying to act classy but failed miserably, and infantilize people who have a different opinion. You know he could right, but every part of me tells me not to take this clown seriously.
@@oncenoised7229 You do you boo
Same dont take advice from lunatics in their mom basement who yell at people on twitter all day
@@oncenoised7229 I don’t even think you tried to watch the video , he makes valid points but you’re going to write them off as “infantilizing” because you lack the ability to challenge your own beliefs
I'm so happy I escaped from that hellish mindspace about 10 years ago.
Congrats 💕
Proud of you for that; it looks unbelievably difficult
I don't know you, but I'm very happy for you regardless. Cult mindsets are really easy to get into, especially when you're at a low point in your life. I'm sure you know that now though.
Congratulations!
@TheDooOver I actually went towards Christianity from a previously esoteric orientation. I know it's not very liked here but I needed something "stable" so I started reading the Bible.
It's a very confusing but also interesting set of books. I especially like the books of Salomon and also the NT.
Reminds me of my middle school days where the coach pushed sports hard and those of us who just weren't into it were harshly mocked and made fun of.
Ah yes, sacrificing your students' mental health and well-being for a f*cking game
I hated this so much! I went through this as a trans woman, and it's honestly disturbing to think about now. Forced onto a sports team I hated, despite being 20lbs smaller than everyone else there, getting physically roughed up and overpowered constantly, because I'm tiny. Being aggressively bullied and called a girl for being bad at it. Being forced to take my shirt off in front of boys, and then openly mocked by the coach for complaining about any of this. Imagine if they just picked some random girl and forced her onto the sports team against her will so the team could have someone to take all their frustrations out on. That was pretty much my childhood.
there was a guy in my chem class last year, he was pretty fit and the football coach used to come into the room e v e r y d a y to try and pressure him into joining. The guy refused, politely but he seemed a little uncomfortable, and at a certain point it got kinda fucked up like he said no yesterday what do you think he'll say today, leave him alone.
@@kyledavidson4604 This is a really ignorant comment, it's both wrong academically, and morally.
@@kyledavidson4604 You don't think it's contentious to have children forced to do unpleasant things they don't want to do because of some weird ass shit you believe?
I'm a transgender bisexual man, and before I realised I was trans and even a little while after realising I was trans, I bought into 'incel' and 'far right' ideology. Mainly because I felt that more manly people followed those ideologies, and I wanted to be perceived as a man so badly, not just a man, but a cisgender heterosexual man. Mainly because most of the women in my life had been more left leaning, whilst the men in my life had been more right leaning. Looking back at that phase in my life, It was more me just being angry and upset due to the fact I wasn't born as a cis dude, but now that I accept my identity and the fact I don't have to be hyper-masculine to be perceived as male, I feel way happier just knowing that no matter what I do, I am still just as manly as a cisgender heterosexual man who has a full beard and huge muscles. :)
I'm glad you got out of the toxic masculinity hole, good job! I'm glad you feel better now
you just replaced one ideology with another one
Im a woman with gender dysphoria and im sorry to say but you will never be a real man
Also the reason why alot of women go trans is because of sexism and not wanting to be the object of sexism and in turn that develops a hatred of being a woman, trans is just conversation therapy
Replaced one ideology with another one like the guy said lol. And often times the ideology you follow now harbours many dark secrets.. Twitter alone is a cesspit for degeneracy regarding this
...as a physician speaking of masculinity's sillier aspects, can I just tell you how many times I've heard something along the lines of, "I won't let a virus intimidate me!" as a point of macho pride?
I think I've actually pulled a muscle trying to keep my eyes from rolling out of my head.
Yeah men not being hysterical and paranoid about a Situation is so cringe
@@hildegardvonbingen9092 no, u are cringe
@BakerDude your tone seems very pointed right now
I once told a dude who said "I won't let a virus intimidate me" that I was sorry his skin was too sensitive for medical masks but there were alternatives available. He tried to hit me. I've known him since elementary school and we had run into each other at a gas station. To me, it was a silly little joke. He genuinely wanted to punch me in the face over it. If your "masculinity" demands you physically assault people over jokes, it's not macho pride, it's just insecurity by another name.
@@mingfei1622 you are definitely the cringe one being a little gen z girl with no humanity or experience in the real world sit down
About ten years ago I was headed toward incel territory. I have extreme social anxiety and have always struggled with my body image. As a result, I felt that girls didn't like me because of how "ugly" I am. Luckily I was able to realize that the only reason women don't tend to like me is because you kinda have to actually talk to them in order for them to like you. I still have social anxiety and it does upset me that my irrational fear is preventing me from meeting someone who I can start a life with but now I know it's not women who are the problem, it's me.
I'm proud of you for at least showing self awareness rather than continuing to sink into the rabbit hole. I have social anxiety, too, so I get how tough it can be.
You and I both
I hope you the best with your anxiety my dear❤
That combo of vulnerability + responsibility for your actions is a panty wetter, you’re on the right track.
It's really cool that you did some self-reflection and I hope you know that that's a really good first step towards learning to manage your social anxiety better. I'm sure as time goes on and you seek help reducing and managing your anxiety that you'll make more friends and eventually meet a woman who you can love that will love you in return. I know it seems unlikely now, but you'll get there. You've got the emotional intelligence to know what your problems are and the maturity to admit to it. Those are very, very good signs.
The fact that a lot of men see emotions and showing emotions as a sign of weakness needs to change. Everyone has emotions regardless of gender. I love when a male partner is able to talk to me about how they actually feel. It helps me understand them and support them better.
Thanks for this positivity, being public with support and encouragement is one of the best ways to help. Ironically, for all the belittling of woman’s opinions in masculine spheres, having a woman disprove the myth that you need to be cold and distant is a genuine help.
Yesss, emotionally available men = fuck yes please
THISS. I've never understood why people would rob an entire half of our population over their ability to feel. As girls, soo many of us seek guys that would just, talk to us. About their feelings, about what makes them upset the same way we speak to our friends about it. There is nothing more cherishable than having a significant other you can simultaneously call your best friend and know inside out of.
@@fatimakhan4671 %100 facts imo.
Yes. We don’t want robots for partners. And if a woman belittles you for having feelings, find someone else because she’s wrong.
I'm glad you touched on the fact that younger generations are being radicalized as well via social media. There is a disturbing amount of radicalization on TikTok by the right wing, and it's hard to tell if these people are just trolling for views or if they're actually working to change others' ideals. A lot of the focus on radicalization and misinformation has been towards older generations, but it is deep within mine (Millennial) and younger generations.
TikTok’s just out here radicalising people in general, not just to the right!
@@newnorthmxlbmusic Could you please elaborate? I understand your point and am curious about your perspective.
you don't say, it isn't just right-wing radicalization, it is also left-wing radicalization too. When one side becomes more severe, the other does as well. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
@@MNDHMTH Please expand on left-wing radicalization? I'm not clear on what qualifies.
@@neonlacee those who cannot see the faults of both sides are doomed to be a tool of one side or the other
This is so true. When I was in my mid teens I slid down the alt right pipeline through Jordan Peterson and Ben shapiro. But growing older and finding criticism of them I started to realise how dangerous this is. I also have a friend who is stuck and much further down the rabbit hole. Hope he realises this too.
Any pundit you follow is going to have biases, inconsistencies, unfair generalizations, and black and white hyper politicized ideological thinking that will undermine individualism and resonate with a particular bigoted worldview. This includes Salari.
I was talking to one of these dudes a while back, and in the course of the discussion, he insulted my jawline. And then I couldn't think about the topic of the discussion anymore, and I had to ask him all about that. My JAWLINE. I have never once in my entire life thought about my jawline. It would never OCCUR to me to think about my jawline. But he was operating under this assumption that insulting my jawline would be this devastating insult that would really hurt me.
He first scoffingly insisted it was about sex: No woman would ever want any man with a weak jawline, because something something evolution. But the noteworthy part was, he did not seem to care about this part at all. Because he kept putting it back in terms of "you have a weak jawline, so you're weaker than other men." It was just A Fact. There was not really any reason WHY having a weak jawline was bad, it just was.
Because here's the missing piece: What these people want is to KNOW WHO'S BETTER THAN WHO. They would much much much rather have a hierarchy and be low on it than not have a hierarchy at all. This is why these attitudes so often come along with contempt for "everyone gets a trophy" and "everyone's beautiful in their own way." If there's no quantifiable way to objectively rate people, then the world is maddening chaos to them. It's EXISTENTIAL.
Innuendo Studios did a great video on this. We assume that some people support hierarchies because they want to be the dictator/king/billionaire on top - but that's not true and they know that won't realistically happen. They support hierarchies so they can be above other people:
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@@LowestofheDead You stumbled at the end. OP is largely correct. It's not actually about being on top, it's just a desperate need for order in chaos. It's still gross, very much so, but it's not egoistic.
@@annie1284 That's a bit of an oversimplification, and the left has a similar hierarchy in practice. The hierarchy of virtue.
Well said.
@@mycaleb8 The same can be said of the right: traditional masculinity, entrepreneurship, dominance, those are virtues on the eyes of the right-wing folk.
A hierarchy that feels more akin to left these days is that of knowledge: he who is an expert calls the shots. It's way more permeable than those of money, race, and gender so everyone should have a shot at getting more knowledge, but still is a very much hierarchy.
I love that the music for the Nice Guy segment is Creep by Radiohead.
Its sad
she will never know how it's like to be italian😰
I'm a crepe 😔
I'm a wacko 😭
@@monkeyman2728
Crepe Pepe
What timestamp it is?
I think i had unknowingly been developing a depression last year. Something that contributed to that was how i never was good with women. I actually started to develop very mysogynistic thoughts and opinion on women. However, I eventually saw how my thinking was flawed, in that my bad luck with women was more a result of me never really stepping out of my comfort zonez, something required in flirting. So ive been working on changing that, getting into game, and even if i havent had much succes in the couple months ive been in it, i am enjoying the jouney and feeling much better, due to me just being a more proactive person, instead of settling in the comformism i was living in
Happy to hear that! I've recently reached the conclusion that I too have to refocus my flirting efforts on women. One of the best tips I got was to see flirting as a gift and not a demand: give someone a compliment without expecting anything in return, not even a conversation. If a conversation does start that's great, but otherwise you've had a contact point that can be picked up at any other moment, like if you queue behind that person again before the bar. I think in general it's a nice mentality for social interactions!
A lot of people have mistaken Cold War-era propaganda for historic reality. Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best were not documentaries. Most people didn't live like that, even in the suburbs.
I have no problem with progressive culture in media. The thing that pisses me off is when huge corporations owned by obscenely wealthy men, corporatise the issues of real marginalised people to get more views/sales.
Facts!.
True, The recent inclusive ads for the US army and CIA in particular gave me "Our new drone has a pride flag sticker" vibes. It's also strategically an incredibly out of touch way to appeal to Gen Z. The lefties won't join anyway because they do not agree what the military does abroad, and the right-wingers actively despises that "woke" narrative.
@@KarlSnarks I heard they wrote actively targeting children in gaming. They seem to be getting desperate. Not even the school/ poverty to military pipeline is working like it used to. 😈
@@KarlSnarks More 👏Female 👏Drone 👏Pilots 👏
The wealthy corporations think women and most minorities are stupid, and easier to brainwash into consumerism than White and Asian men. And if this past decade has had anything to say about it, it is very true.
We need people like you to talk about those things that need so desperately to be said, and NO one else does. As a straight woman I’ve never thought that society’s views of masculinity were attractive at all.
It equals aggression to real strength, money to worthiness, stupidity to “being cool”. It makes real men give up on their emotions and their empathy because they believe there’s something wrong with them.
Another great video Salari! 😀
And btw when I mean strength it’s not in a physical sense.
Actually, ContraPoints did an amazing breakdown of this same kind of topic. It's a video called Incels.
@@Tentegen OOOHH that video was amazing and also super sad
Also, women have been talking about this for a long time, but, hopefully a man talking about it will get more traction and hopefully diverse viewers!!
I am gonna check, thanks for the suggestion!
I am exactly like "Sam" and everyone of that ilk - tested into "Mentally Gifted Minors" in 5th grade and coasted through school up until senior year high school (where I hit the wall at Calculus and didn't get around to doing half my writing assignments) and flunked out of college my senior year due to depression, isolation and cluelessness; have never successfully "dated", only "lost my v-card" at age 35 and haven't had so much as a kiss or a cuddle since 2002; and perhaps more saliently than all the rest, have found nothing but frustration from the empty reassurances and useless advice I've gotten from people who simply do not get me, and have no idea what's actually going on with me and why the things that work for them are impossible for me.
What makes me different from all those "incels" etc. is (1) I'm older than them - they're all Millennials & younger, I'm on the cusp of Boomer/GenX (see also, "Gen Jones"), so I was already a grownup by the time "incels" became a thing*; (2) I was already solidly leftist, with all of my nerdly influences pointing me in that direction from an early age: _Star Trek,_ Carl Sagan, etc. - it was only later that the right claimed that sphere, with the "New Atheists" etc., and I had no use for any of that; and (3) I'm Jewish, so obviously the antisemitic shit wasn't going to fly; it took me awhile to get over Zionism, but the anti-apartheid movement (my intro to radical activism) cured me of that.
And I already knew that, as useless as the advice that the "normies" had for us was, the advice _they_ were dispensing was _actively harmful_ and I knew _why._ Beneath their absurd taxonomies and ridiculous theories lies, at the core, and at the point of this here video: *These guys insist on upholding a rigid set of gender roles that **_does not work for them_* and end up making it harder for themselves and *making it harder for **_me!_*
Because I _can_ say that, at least for myself, the only thing that _has_ ever worked is when _she_ did the thing first - and then again, just to make sure I got the point. Because I've never been able to detect, or correctly respond to, female desire; the idea that _she_ is actually be into _me_ and wants me to kiss (etc.) her simply does not compute, it's just not a thing that happens, until it's a thing that's actually happening. This, from my first kiss at summer camp, to the half dozen others in my teens and 20s - except that even then, after they managed to convince me that kissing is a thing that happens, anything past that was still up to me to initiate, and I simply _couldn't._ Because I was never _certain_ that I was supposed to, and whenever I actually _asked_ I was told to "stop asking" which I took to mean "just no" so I never asked again & never did anything either; because if I'm wrong it's _bad_ and the further along things go the more _bad_ it is if I'm wrong, and never having been there before I had no idea what I was doing ... and so what I *_needed_* more than anything else was *_guidance_* - I needed *_straightforward, unambiguous, honest communication._* And that, above all else, is something that the _patriarchal gender roles forbid girls and women to provide._
What hurts my heart even more than all of that, is looking back at the girls in high school and women in my Berkeley years who _were_ into me, and were _obviously_ waiting for me to "make a move" - in one case, she actually yelled at me in public because I hadn't - and the only reason I didn't is because I was literally petrified at the possibility that I might be misreading the situation and end up doing something _wrong_ and wrong is _bad_ and my brain ends up doing all the calculations and risk assessments and I'm surprised the smoke isn't visibly coming out of my ears, and then the moment is lost. If _only_ it weren't _expected_ that the guy _has_ to "make the move", if only it were normalized for women to act on their desires, or at least communicate them without hints and innuendo and ambiguity. If only _she_ had kissed _me_ instead of waiting for me to kiss her.
I'm old now, and that sort of scenario is long in my past. But there's still hope for some of these "incel" kids to break out of their self-destructive insistence on maintaining, once again, a rigid set of gender roles and expectations that _does not work for them,_ and get with the rest of their generations on the project of figuring out where, in all the vast variety of ways to be human, they actually fit in.
* it was actually started by a nice lesbian woman, and I peeked into "The Incel Project" when it was still mainly a support-group kind of thing, and I was hoping to get into some conversations with women in that community to get their POV in order to learn to communicate with women who are in a similar situation; but it soon got taken over by guys insisting that it was impossible for women to be "incel" because ... you've heard it all. I already knew they were full of shit, and as they crowded out and shouted down all the people I went there to talk with, I stopped going.
I question how patriarchy makes women not initiate dates. The simplest answer would be *women can get away withbeing coy as someone would ask them out eventually*
Apologies for the late reply, but there is something I would like to shine some light on for anyone who may read this. Something I learned over the years is that the desire for many women to have the man initiate things or "make a move" doesn't just come from societal norms. For many women, it is part of what makes them feel desired or attractive. The man initiating is him showing that he desires her. This doesn't just apply to your initial encounters either. It is important years or even decades into a relationship.
Did you actual try the normal advice or did your own narcissism get in the way.
I guess I have limited sympathy for incels because as an overweight young woman, I was one of the ones that most of them wouldn't give the time of day.
When 1/3 of young generation are incels, something is wrong.
Stand up for yourself! Yes, their unreasonable concept of what makes a woman worth pursuing just shows their own malleability and insecurity.
"If you believe that child abuse is alright, you did not turn out alright." Boom. Truth bomb!
Depends on what your definition of abuse is. Exposing your child to drag queen story hour or gay propaganda can be seen as abuse aswel.
@@weareeverywhere8851 What do drag queen do to children which is so terrible that it's the same as beating them, in your opinion ?
@The Big Kiwi Eh, that's a stereotype, not an actual rate. Dressing in a certain way doesn't make them want to touch kids, nor does being gay, lesbian or trans...
basically the only thing in this video I can agree w/
@The Big Kiwi May we see your sources?
I'm someone who, for the better part of my life, had a lot of anxiety about growing into adulthood because I've never wanted to be that career seeker, the ladder climber, the breadwinner. I've now accepted that I am an effeminate gay man who just wants to stay home, raise our nine cats, and cook and clean and buy the groceries and I've never been better. It's so ironic to me that the thing women have had to fight *against* is something I've had to fight *for.*
The true tragedy of fighting against patriarchy😔✊
Women and men have both been fighting for their right to make the choices best for them. Hopefully in the future we can get back into a community mindset, so the men and women who want to stay home can take care of the kids of the men and women who want to climb the career ladder.
The key word is: choices
man, why cant people just have autonomy over themselves :(
Yooooo, I don't even know what to really say through the emotion this sparks within me. You just hit home, friend. You hit way home. :']
Being black makes it especially weird for me, because my entire existence is viewed in this hyper-masculine perspective. But like, idk what it is...the thought of my potential wife coming home to a clean house with food on the table just inspires a spiritual level of happiness inside me. The day I imagined that scenario transformed me. I never realized I could be allowed to feel so good about it; that it could be an option. Can anyone relate???
As an adult male who's never been in a romantic relationship, I wondered how this movement missed me completely. And after watching this video, I can see that the difference is how these groups fail to take responsibility for their own choices.
The idea that you'll never have romantic opportunities because of genetics is silly, there's always something that will come about as long as you're a decent human being. But you must be willing to look back at your own choices, acknowledge where you could have done things differently AND be comfortable with the outcomes/learn from them.
I was never taught to push blame for my own decisions onto others, so these groups never held my interest.
It makes me sad that while I as a woman can easily lean on other women when I need to, men can't. Like, I can go into the bar in the bathroom and make 5 new best friends for the night and we can all cry about our deepest trauma's and go our separate ways, but men, don't/can't? You should be able to hold your brothers like I can my sister's.
🤗
That would be nice, but not all women are emotionally available, especially when they were hurt themselves. I wish I could speak to my female friend about feelings, like i can with my male friends.
My ex was proto-alt right. A bit of bg: He’s mentally ill and severely bipolar. Over the years he’s had trouble with keeping jobs, struggled with an addictive personality, and has been institutionalized a couple times. The last I mention because I think he was often on the wrong medication cocktail because he was highly paranoid that being too honest with doctors would land him back into a facility. For a long while he was unemployed and that depressed him deeply. I was employed and worked weekdays mostly. 8 hours a day and so he was alone. With the internet. You can imagine where this is going. I don’t know what all he was consuming but he started reading a paleo-conservative online periodical called Amerika. It’s gotten worse over the years but even back then (then being the thick of Obama’s presidency) it was uncomfortably icky. I used to read it because I was curious. Didn’t agree with it but could see how it was persuasive and invasive, knowing these opinions existed made me squirm in my skin, having been raised pretty liberal and otherwise left leaning. He was eating all that shit up. Angry, bigoted, and scornful of my being well, not the perfect little trad wife, it’s why our relationship hit the skids. Ironically he’d blame the spike of my depression and anxiety on the reason why he left me. After months of emotional abuse and frightening manic episodes that would last for days, apparently I should have come out stronger. Or whatever who even knows. It’s because of living with this for...far too long (he got a monthly SSD check that paid the rent so I was tied to him because despite working full time, I could not afford to live alone) that I became fascinated and horrified by the rise of the alt right and hideously toxic manosphere. If you’re curious my ex did get out of it completely last I knew. He tended to cycle a lot, between phases, so who knows now. I hope he’s still doing better. He tried apologizing a couple years ago but I wasn’t ready back then. Given how my life spiraled after he left, I’m not sure I ever will be. Be that as it may, I thought I’d share this story. None of this is new. It’s been hurting men for years and I hope it crashes soon. We all deserve our men to be truly, sincerely happy.
Also. Manskirts. I’m reminded of a gay friend I had many years ago, he primarily wore women’s clothing, especially frocks and skirts. He once told me that when people asked him if he dressed that way because he wanted to be a woman he said no, I just like the clothing better.
Considering left wing individuals are far, FAR likelier to have mental illness, and females, more often left wing, are 60 or so percent more likely to suffer from depression, along with home ownership data for millenials per political ideology showing the farther to the left you are the more likely you still live in your parents' basement, I'd say the root causes and ramifications go a lot deeper than the simple left / right dichotomy people are unable to extricate themselves from.
Imagine thinking a spectrum filled with such a variety of world concepts, religions, ideologies and biologies being cleaved in two and explained that way, as if each and every single individual element of either side was a perfect replica of all the others.
@@Antiteshmis 'left wing individuals are far, FAR likelier to have mental illness, and females, more often left wing, are 60 or so percent more likely to suffer from depression, along with home ownership data for millenials per political ideology showing the farther to the left you are the more likely you still live in your parents' basement'
That is some interesting statements right there. Do you have some links or anything to track down these research data?
Trust me, it's not a bad cocktail of meds that had him paranoid about being institutionalized again. They're infantilizing, soul sucking spaces in which having any kind of episode means you'll be disciplined. I was in one of the better places and I was surrounded by these faux inspirational paintings and rooms with calming sounds and shit like that, but the constant implicit threat was that if you weren't aligning yourself with this hokey bullshit that you were "at risk".
The only way to get out is to be more sane than sane people. To create a narrative in yourself of someone who's healing and can be trusted out there on their own. The Rosenhan experiment is a pretty famous exploration of this phenomenon, where completely normal people got themselves institutionalized on basis of just saying they were having hallucinations, and then despite acting completely normally once inside were unable to seem "normal" by the harsh standards of the institution and were prescribed anti psychotics and diagnosed with various psychiatric disorders.
That's what the actually normal people have to go through, but when you add serious mental problems on top of that that you can't hide so well... It can be hell in there. The greatest trick the medicine industry ever pulled was convincing well meaning people that institutions are places of healing.
that’s awful! i’m sorry that happened and i hope you are better now. i too had a right-wing depressed boyfriend - it was the worst year of my life. i hope for everyone’s sake that in a few decades at least we’ll have learned to educate ourselves better and create healthier environments for future generations.
@@blinski1 Zach goldberg unpacked it very simply using Pew research data from their coronavirus impact studies.
For the other claims
"the female:male ratio of global disability from major depression remained unchanged at 1.7:1"
An excerpt from a paper on NCBI called "Why is depression more prevalent in women?"
"why_have_women_become_left-wing_the_political_gender_gap_and_the_decline_in_marriage.pdf" from harvard
"92-Berlin-left-wing-activists-live-parents.html" google that and you'll find links to articles and a study
Can we at least agree that presenting a left leaning liberal at Silicon valley the same way as a far left unemployed communist with no hygiene like those I used to hang out with because "the left" makes no sense ?
On the issue of PTSD: another side effect of this hypermasculinity is to almost perversely celebrate PTSD in men who do manly things (at great cost to them, indeed), when the statistics show, most who suffer from it are actually women.
Yeah, its so sad and dark that so many professions that.are supposed to embody masculinity and truly maketh man are traumatic or unhealthy like war, unsafe jobs or football which is a very dangerous sport that young men and teenagers engage in to get access to university for example even if they couldn't even make an informed decision on their sports choice because the studies about long term brain damage from football related head trauma are knowingly swept under the rug by the industry
@Lite-Wing Gift I just saw your hair move a bit when that plane flew over your head.
Anything related with mental health like depresion and suicide tendencies, women tend to suffer more from them. Logicaly because of the social sytem we live in, the risk factors affects primarily to minorities.
@@curiousone6435 if we’re having a discussion about men’s issues, is it so hard not to bring up women’s issues? If someone did the reverse you can understand why they shouldn’t do that, right?
@@keyboardstalker4784 I do get the reverse as a woman with PTSD. It hurts and costs EVERYONE involved and I said as much not to negate but to bring out the impact.
I love to find a man talking in depht about this. If these men wont listen to women when we talk about toxic masculinity maybe they will listen to a man
"Outrage is something that is rife within right-wing groups across the world."
True.
But it would be even more true to say that outrage is rife within every large enough group.
Outrage is amplified by groups, and even moreso by identity politics and social media.
A million years ago, back in the 1980s, I was invited on a date with a guy that I didn't particularly like. I thought maybe I should give him a chance so I said yes. Over the course of the date, he proved himself obnoxious self-involved and annoying. We walked up to my house to say good night, and as I said goodbye to him, he asked why I wasn't going to let him in. When I looked confused he said well I paid for dinner to which my immediate reply was how much was my half? It made me feel dirty and used and that there was some sort of expectation that I took food from this 16-year-old therefore I should put out. It's really sad that some of these things just don't change after years and years and years
Yikes!! Let's do better fellas
And we're supposed to pretend that "dating" isn't a soft prostitution? Come on. You're a well grown adult at this the current year. Is that your honest evaluation, or what you say to protect your reputation?
So you didn't even let him into your house after he paid for your dinner? That just seems rude to me.
@@sulaimaanlatif6471... 🤔 You don't get to come into my house because you bought me dinner, and vice versa, just in case we ever meet
@@sulaimaanlatif6471 paying for dinner does not entitle you to enter someone’s house
Your videos aren’t sad. They are hopeful. You are making people realize that there are other, better ways to live life! You make them consider an alternative to the capitalist, violent and ridiculous system we live in.
except we don't live in a capitalist system.
Capitalistic actually, my bad it was auto complete. But yes most of the world is driven by money and power. Even systems with other names are still all about cash, material resources and power deep down.
@ educate yourself on what capitalism is.its free market. 80-100k pages of regulations, insane taxes ,etc etc, social programs, welfare states. nothing capitalism about any of them. its a mixed economy leaning towards socialism
I think you didn’t understand what I said.
@@DanteTheSimpSlayer Capitalism is not a 'free market.' Capitalism is the private ownership by individual people of the means of production combined with a market system as the primary means of distributing resources. There is no such thing as a free market, simply because the power dynamics of the market itself will immediately render it unfree within a year at most after taking the chains off, even starting from the most egalitarian distribution possible -- which we are absolutely not, and never were. Market socialism may be able to somewhat dampen these impulses through a focus on worker co-ops, but even then, relying too heavily on markets is incredibly dangerous, and with capitalist private property in the mix? Straight back to the days of company towns we go. Are you familiar with those? Because everyone really should be, but they're not something we're usually taught. Frightening things. You do NOT want to live in one, I assure you. Your argument only sounds remotely plausible because of all the pro-market and pro-capitalism propaganda we've been inundated with our entire lives.
Maybe I'm just young and I need to form my own family, but I never understood the concept of the "nuclear family" being so ideal. As a child, it felt like a fairytale to me. My family was my mom, my older sister and I, and we were just fine. My bestfriend family was a dad, an older brother and them. I had classmates raised by their grandparents, by their godparents, with divorced parents and I always felt weird thinking about the nuclear family being the only thing portrayed as normal and perfect when most of us didn't have one
Nuclear family is already the worst, the standard family for millions of years are tribes that include multigenerational households in one location. That's what villages are - most people have the same surname in that place.
But even if you don't have the same surname doesn't mean you can't create your own tribe - that's why you need good friends and neighbors.
So you never had a dad.
Its amazing the correlation between that and being leftist.
As a non american right wing that concept is also irrelevant to me.
Another reason way this video is just wrong
@@aesyamazeli8804 nuclear family is a fantastic idea since you have both strong parents to raise you but these days most parents are trash a single parent isn't a very good idea
I'll let you in on a little secret-a big reason why there was a huge push for the suburbs and nuclear families was to sell more appliances. Extended family and even multiple families used to live in the same home, but you don't sell as many refrigerators if 10-15 people are all sharing one. If you encourage children to leave home upon reaching adulthood and separate everyone into their own homes, you can sell waaaay more refrigerators. Ironically, the establishment of the nuclear families broke families apart and made them feel even more isolated from each other.
I've left the conservative movement almost a year ago, and i'm glad I did. I was very far right and a Trump fan.
No more excusing racism or trying to justify it. No more trying to keep something because its "tradition." No more excused misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, or expecting minorities to be quiet and happy with what they deal with, because after all, they live in the good old usa! Where if you're a struggling minority, then you should just be happy because America is supposedly better than everyone else.
Let me be clear, there's absolutely no way you can be gay, trans, bi, or a poc and a conservative. Their values will always be in favor of "tradition." Their values will always support straight, white, christian men. Their values will always supress your rights, and they will always argue that "tradition" or "the good old days" are worth bringing back.
Look at Milo, he's an "ex gay" now. Ever wonder why? Because, conservative values support a traditional household with a man and a woman. Conservative values will never, ever support you if you aren't straight, white, male, and Christian. Ever.
So please, dont allow your voice to be taken away, and dont give more power to the conservative party. You will regret it.
The left is in power currently
I remember in high school a friend told me that I was too nice and I wouldn't succeed as a man. This type of toxic mentality is tragic. He felt that guys had to be assholes to succeed and that girls won't date a "nice" guy, whatever that means. We need to do better for our future generations, otherwise they'll just repeat the same toxic ideas.
@@greenweezing237 I've been more focused on my career of late, but I will say when I was out dating that me being "nice" or "respectable" didn't hinder me at all. Are there girls that like the typical "bad boi" stereotype? Yea probably, but those aren't the type of girls that would fit well with me. Relationships are complicated to say the least, but being your authentic self goes a long well.
@@greenweezing237 I think that the desire to have empirical evidence on how dating works actually is the problem.
No two people are the same, relationships with others will never perfectly transfer to other people. Think about the relationships in your life, from your parents, to siblings, extended family, friends, besties, coworkers, boss, significant others, all of them. How are they the same? How are they different? Do you feel comfortable in them? Does your level of say in the relationship differ between them, etc.
Do you think that I could simply adopt for example, your precise way of interacting with one of them and expect the same result in my life? For that matter, do you even think I could reliably replicate it?
When looking for a partner, you arent looking for a list of attributes, your looking for someone who meshes with your qualities in a way that pleases / satisfies you and vice versa.
A few simple rules for any healthy relationship, and studying love languages and personality types, etc could help. But it's much more about learning about the other person, those other resources just help you figure out what you ought to be looking for.
@@rosemali3022 This. Not everything can be quantified. And not everything that can be, should be. I think our cultural obsession with objectivity and data is actually at least as much about control and domination. Why else do we have the need to dispel _all_ doubt, banish _all_ ambiguity, than to attempt to control the world around us? And the really sad thing is, you can never dispel all doubt. Philosophers have been trying -- and failing -- to do that for over two and a half thousand years, and couldn't even come up with an absolute basis for natural philosophy (science). And yet we think we can do it now just by assembling enough random bits of data? The arrogance of it all is astounding. What we really need is the ability to be comfortable with ambiguity. ...I just wish openness didn't feel so dangerous.
@@jemolk8945 well, Jemolk, have you heard about LOGIC?!?!??!?!
Just kidding lord, just kidding. I also think it would be amazing if we could provide intellectual integrity the same way we currently promote... well, all of the bullshit.
@@rosemali3022 Hahahaha, oh man, the way that the concept of logic gets abused in some circles drives me nuts. Symbolic logic was quite a fun class for me, and I really think that discussions would be quite a bit easier for everyone if we taught more people what logic actually is. You know, before college and also not just to philosophy majors and people who actively seek it out.
It’s funny because men’s rights people will agree that all these things are hurtful to men but they blame the wrong things and their solutions are insane
Depends. Sometimes they're right in criticizing CERTAIN feminists as part of the problem (the Duluth Model used to silence male survivors of domestic abuse, the silencing and rape apologist used against male rape survivors (especially those of female rapists)), trying to build men's shelters, etc. The problem is when they focus TOO MUCH on feminism, overestimate its problematic aspects, etc. That's a big part of what gets in the way of progress, especially in a society that's always saying "MAN UP!", "LOL MALE TEARS!" and so on.
@@nilsjohnson2636 Why can't I believe in both lol, society has unhealthy expectations in men and feminists sometime contribute to these problems and make them worse?
@@shrisiva4016 My point exactly. It causes me no shortage of depression and anxiety that general folk seem uninterested in nuance, and I'm always running a risk trying to bring this up even in my own native left-wing circles.
@@nilsjohnson2636 well, looks like misogyny is the answer then ;)
@@Warsie No, but I have amassed a bit of a misanthropic streak in me. Pretty sure that's just being a millennial at this point.
I don’t want to generalize but there is a majority of short woman who still would rather have a tall guy than a short guy like me. That’s how it is. Man have to be tall. And if I work out maybe I‘d have a chance but then, I am the guy who is compensating. Man get body shamed too.
Macabre Storytelling has a video for you
He never said they didn’t it’s just that women get body shamed more often usually
With all due respect, life is too short to be angry.
dude. trust me. if it’s seriously HOT outside, you don’t want a skirt unless you have a thigh-gap for days. short shorts is your answer.
as for other fashion choices - I mostly feel sad about the lack of colour for you guys. it’s so depressing how most men genuinely think they can only wear black, dark blue or grey. sometimes white. gosh. I can’t believe half of the world genuinely prefers these colors and these colors only.
Over where i live, I had wanted to buy a pink shirt once and told my parents about it, what followed was a week of bullying and them telling me I'm not a man, so, I stuck with the typical colours worn by men. Until I'm free from the shackles of a 3rd world country's household, I can't really choose colours and i probably never will.
(personal opinion on a not that important detail:) I don't think shorts are best. They keep well, but they can't replace the breezy feeling of a skirt. Sometimes, it's even better to have a long and flowy skirt to keep a lot of fresh air while being protected from the sun.
I like both. Shorts are cool for biking. But I feel less tight in a light skirt.
@@alicemartin3275 you prolly don't suffer from thigh chaffing as much as the next person then xD which is - happy for you)
@@adeldell8275 I'm sorry to hear that. such idiotic stereotypes. hopefully you will get out!
*THIS* in the Town I live if you use a pink shirt if you are a men people concider you a gay, and if god lord if you use a green one they directly stab you
There are 'skirts' for men. They are called sarongs! And I'm glad I live in Southeast Asia, where men do wear them when the weather is particularly hot. My husband loves them! They are very comfortable.
Which SEA country do you live in?
Also useful as extra layering at night if blanket is too much of a bother.
Yes yes yes sarong is lyfe! We love them too. I live in SEA too!
nah mate, it's different. try using the lower "mukena" and walk around with it. the difference between sarong amd skirt is that skirt is part of self expression while sarong is a chill casual clothing.
@@noblenaveragemanointernet2582 usually Indonesia or malay, or brunei
My problem is that the left has a huge lack of space for 'masculine men' being apart of the same view point of a lot of left leaning ideas I feel very void of community. Communicating with friends/right leaning groups began too give me that brother hood feeling. They promoted exercise, success, room to be traditionally 'masculine' which I felt a lack of in left leaning spaces. It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows on that side of course but I feel the left is so quick too throw out people unlike the right who on the surface will accept pretty much anyone. Being religious and going too the gym, taking a lot of pride in my 'masculinity' feels like it alienated me from left leaning circles. It seems to be hard to find men within the left that have similar passions and values as myself that I can relate too and form that comradery with.
I understand what you mean. I’m a left leaning person, but I know I like many traditionally masculine things too like having a healthy body, being self-reliant with a god job, listening to traditionally masculine music, and having an”brotherhood” of male friends. At the same time, there are many traditionally masculine ideas that aren’t so great like putting down non conformers of other racial or social groups, as well as over competitive atmospheres to the point of violence, and these things are readily promoted in right wing spaces. The left leaning circles I’ve been taught me that the position I’m in is one of privilege, one that a lot of people would want to be in, and thus, it makes a lot more sense why people like us aren’t represented as much in these left wing spaces.
It also doesn’t help that people still attribute masculinity in general with conservatism, as it encourages a lot of men to not do research and simply believe the right wing spaces are their only home to find people with common interests.
@@yudi-weiss3827 totally agree with you man, I think masculinity is linked too conservatism because obviously it’s celebrated within those spaces. Which femininity and non conformity is celebrated within the left spaces and their overall opinions of patriarchy. I think it would do the left well too be more open minded towards traditionally masculine males and representing them in a way too show that the left isn’t just for the stereotypical left wing supporters. If there were ‘masculine’ role models in the left I think it would definitely help a lot of young men come too the left, I feel as there’s lack of representation it leaves politically lost young men too go to the side that very much wants them too join.
We accept traditionally masculine men. Our promoting of men who don't fit that stereotype may seem like we don't, but it's really just us highlighting other ways to be a man.
"the left is so quick too throw out people unlike the right who on the surface will accept pretty much anyone" you've summed up both the Left and the Right in one sentence
leftists (especially the terminally online twitter leftists) have stretched identity politics to point that it's become weird purity testing and in-group formation. on the other hand the right will stretch and bend their "convictions" to get anyone into their mob, seeː Blair White, Dave Rubin, Candace Owens etc.
more and more leftists are starting to realise this, from what I've seen. hope they change this weird mindset asap
@@pangiokuhli512 summed it up perfectly
The Loki thing cracks me up. In the Norse myths, Loki once gave birth to a horse.
The mindset that masculinity excludes emotions hurt men so much.
A friend of mine had a painful experience where he asked out a girl and she emotionally manipulated him to get what she wanted. When he described this traumatizing experience to his male friends, they made fun of him for being emotionally vulnerable in front of a girl ("simp"). Like, what a disgusting reaction to your friend. They had no compassion for him because in their mind, a "true man" doesn't ever get victimized by women.
Men control each other's behavior as well.
I think its more "he fell for her trap".
i’m a trans man and i found myself in the toxically masculine wormhole a couple years ago. i looked down upon any trans person who wasn’t 100% binary-conforming and on feminists. but it was because i was insecure and i just wanted to be “one of the ‘normal’ trans people/gay people/poc/etc.” i just wanted to be accepted by cis white dudes. i’ve recovered thankfully haha
That sucks dude, hopefully you're comfortable with yourself now
I hope you lead the best life you can have and are happy now.
Ever forward!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm probably gonna get a lot of stick for this but because I don't know shit about the experiences of trans men It but was surprising to read you got sucked into toxic masculinity.
People like you harassed and gatekeeped other trans people. The horrible stuff you believed (and acted upon) caused a lot of harm and suicide ratio. It's not like "but I've recovered, haha", other people had to suffer for your mistakes.
Thank you for speaking on this so eloquently. Lord know men won't listen to women's voices on the matter. We need as many of the male voices speaking on this as possible.
Do you really think any man takes this guy seriously?
@@ablackknight2744 pov: you're the problem
@@whitet75 what you talking about? The irony
@@ablackknight2744 real men do.
@@paolacastillootoya8904 Ah yes. Letting yourself be manipulated using a cheap shaming tactic. The pinnacle of manhood.
I don't know about "real man" but you have to be a real idiot to not learn from past mistakes. One white feather campaign should be enough to teach men this lesson.
I think something terrible that came out of being "tough" in past generations is the inability for some men to tell even their sons they love them. It wasn't until a few years into adulthood that my father and I told each other we love each other. It was a huge deal and very awkward and emotional. I can't even imagine how it must be for families who never get to that point. Always having to be tough is not a fun way to live (I know, quite the "shocking" revelation lol).
The fact that anyone sees groups they don't belong to being represented more in media and then jumps to the conclusion they are "being erased" just does not make sense to me. For people who complain about "snowflakes" so much these people sure seem to think the world exclusively revolves around them
"She only likes you because she thinks your the chosen one!".
...
"But I am the chosen one".
Yes. Defend globalism. That's good.
@@gombocdimensional9050 >Is a smelly snot hole.
>Believes their stinky slit has Internet power.
WW2 is a fantastic starting point for the issues men face, especially when looking at media. Boomers grew up with parents who are hailed as heros at a time where any critiques of them was seen as anti-american. 30 years later, returning Vietnam vets were abandoned and seen as losers, emasculating the sons even further. It's not really a suprise so many men who based their identity on American exceptionalism are struggling with the current times.
As a side note, The British soldiers in Northern Ireland during the "Troubles" did some really messed up stuff, like collecting skulls of IRA men they'd killed.
Many of them were probably brainwashed by the heroic portrayal of WW2 veterans so they wanted to fight their own war and gain glory. Little did they realise there is no glory in war, only fear, death, trauma and betrayal. Hence some of them went over the edge, mentally.
@@Indoor_Carrot Know Pop Culture Detective?
@@slevinchannel7589 rings a bell? Does he talk about the Troubles?
THIS ^ is 100% on point. WW2 was an explosion of trauma and the ripples are still reaching us today.
@@mistressofstones no, it's industrial revolution
This was really well presented and produced. Wonderful work!
My friend's BF has a really conservative family. He gets called gay for wearing scarves. Coincidentally, he also has issues anxiety and depression which are not diagnosed or treated in any way because his family is against therapy. He is too embarrassed to go even though my friend has been trying to encourage him.
Loki GAVE BIRTH TO A HORSE but yeah he’s cis guys
Exactly. Even if they find his gender fluidity in the comics a product of sjws and modern blah blah whatever idpol, then how do they explain away his very genderfluid origins in Norse mythology? I guess they're probably the same people who think the Spartans were the peak of masculinity but think homosexuality is unmasculine...
Yeah this is why I'm against "washing" because it should be ingrained in the story from the beginning so with the example of Loki in the MCU it never mentioned that he could shapeshift(yes he can shapeshift according to Norse mythology not just change genders) so it would be a detriment for the story and make the plot less cohesive
@@DavidGalvanwiz what are you talking about? Thor tells an entire story about him turning into a snake. He canonically shapeshifts, not just in mythology and the comics, but in the MCU.
The more I learn about Loki from actual Heathens and mythology nerds I watch the more convinced I am that he just doesn't give a single flying omnipotent fuck.
@@lizabethhampton4537
Loki’s children literally brought about Ragnarok to the Aesir. In a way, he did give a fuck :P.
Getting mad about one of the endless in sandman being Black is extra weird since it's canon that their appearances (including race) are not static and change according to who's perceiving them. Roast them neil
If death is not a skeleton then all the interpretation are wrong. Even the nail is wrong
@@loft777 Death being a skeleton is just another interpretation. None are right or wrong.
But death (and dream) have pure white skin (not Caucasian type, actual white) for theme reasons. Changes aren't bad unless they go against your work theme. I'm curious to see how changing the skin colour will be better theme wise (although not optimistic they will pull it off).
For comparison sake, this is like doing a MLK movie with an asian actor instead of a black one, in theory alone not a bad change, but you better have a good reason for the change!
@@ulizez89 That's not comparable at all. They weren't white for "theme" reasons (literally, like I said, they both change race depending on who is looking at them), they were portrayed as white for aesthetic reasons and there is no story related need to keep them that way. Unlike a story about MLK, their race has absolutely nothing to do with the story, because they don't have one.
@@shai2121 Mmmmm, their skin colour not being related to the book's themes.... we might have read different books then.
I never took the chad virgin thing that seriously but it’s kinda sad that some people base their lives on it
I think my gf is pretty average looking. But the more time I spend with her, the more I see her as the most beautiful person in the world, and I love showing her off.
A fantastic video that shows the hypocrisy, hatred, and bitterness of hyper masculinity and tradition that exists in the world today. I feel like this video will help many young men understand just how toxic this hypermasculine mindset is and how it hurts not only themselves but others as well. Thank you for the amazing content bro 👍
Didn't expect to see you here. I'm extra glad i'm subbed to you now
Never thought I'd see you here.
No. Fuck this gay man and his message
Reminds me of a die hard Batman fan who got terrified when he saw Lastman and cried, and it was only episode 2.
Ditto!
when I was in the middle of being teenager 14-15 years old I use to watch a lot of right wing youtubers, and I got to say that was the worst I've been to people and the closest I got to being an incel.
Glad you avoided that!
@@kstina9563 same
@@BlumeL. same thing happened to me turns out its cuz i'm a trans woman lmao
Moderation is key
The most important is that it's behind you now❤🌺🌹
My dad lived in a family of women. His mom, his sister, his wife and me, his daughter. He'd abandoned all of us when I was young. When he came back we were all doing fine without him. He would try to pay us back by being useful, but it was things we didn't really need him to do. He quickly became a burden on on all of us and stayed that way until his death at 64.
Even in a home full of family, a wife and children, he shared the same fate as any incel or MGTOW: becoming useless solely because women can get by fine without men. They have no other role to play besides breadwinner, or at least, no other role with as many privileges. Looking at it that way it makes sense why most conservatives are men. My dad was too.
Huh
femtard moment
Summary: He broke up the family tried to come back but couldn't win their affection through materials. He would have to actually talk and bond with them which he didn't do result bitterness and burden on both sides until he died.
@Aire Well, yes. Any group, wherein one takes yet contributes nothing is at best, an appendage. What really matters is that he's willing to take care of his loved ones, not where he's sleeping.
@Aire Bring examples then.
I'm on my third watch through this video. So well put together, so well communicated. I wish I could inject this video into the brains of every person I know.
Thank you for this, I always like hearing what you have to say.
I work as a developer in the Games Industry, I loved your video on persona 5 too. However the games industry still suffers greatly from misogyny. If you get the chance to do a video breaking it down, I would be thoroughly interested, as sometimes I don't know myself.
I’m gay and once fell in love with a right-winged (gay/probably confused) man, I was 25 at the time and he was 29. I’m not really sure what really attracted me to him (most likely it was his intelligence, idk) but I pursued him for a couple of months - gave him gifts, went out on dates, texted him everyday. But after about 6 months of chasing him, I plucked up the courage to “DTR” or define the relationship. I texted him and asked what we were and he - I could just guess - was stunned for a minutes and didn’t know how to answer. Simply answering ‘I don’t know’. I would have accepted it if he answered we were *friends* but he answered that he ‘didn’t know’. Left me heartbroken with his response, because I would have accepted if he said we were just friends - but he didn’t. I just simply said ‘That’s okay. I guess.. you need to figure yourself out first and I’m not really what you need right now’ and just thanked him for his time. He replied he was sorry but I didn’t text back (I was too heartbroken at that point lol). He still wishes me a ‘happy birthday’ every year and I just simply feel a little giddy for a few seconds and just thank him. Anyway, I’m happy with my current relationship now.
Wouldn't have hurt to talk
@@Matheus_Braz You mean like maintaining a friendly relationship?
@@genshin399 Disregard my comment, it was dumb
While I'm not right wing(but also not left wing either), This sounds like me and my ex boyfriend to a tee accept I never wanted to end the relationship. though my ex also wasnt purely on the left either and has some conservative leanings.
Still wish him valintines day every year and his birthday, and he wishes my a happy birthday as well, he also calls and messages me when something bad happens in the city I now live in. He freaked out when the idiot did the christmas day bombing and couldnt get ahold of me for nearly 2 days.
@@Matheus_Braz wouldn’t say what you’re saying is dumb if that’s what you’re saying. It’s just my personality i guess. I’d just feel like I’m a bother to him and frankly, I wanted to move on (which I have already have hehe)
Is that a piano cover of make a man out of you. . .from Mulan? Love it.
It is indeed
Judging by that chapter title, I would think it would be just that
I recall Yoda saying....
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads hate, hate leads to suffering."
I've have maintained for a long time that we as humans hate what we fear, and we fear what we don't understand. In truly attempting to understand the "other", we can break that cycle.
"As long as men are in charge, everything will be fine."
Ahh yes. Because all the rape, war, murder, child molestation and genocides in the past were all fine.
That pisses me off so much. So, so much.
@Aire no, both genders being equal. Not one being in charge over the other. That’s… the whole point…
@Aire what were you trying to say
@Aire no. But conservatives right wing men seems to think that men have done good. But in reality all the bad things were literally done by male presidents. U can see why the op made this comment...don't be that person. It's not hard to understand.
All the wars in the past were done by male presidents. All that horrible sutff and yet they claim males are better presidents. Lolll..
@@wayln2591 If you really think about it then who the one that made everything in life, obviously most of the thing you have in your house same as everyone else the ones who made it were men. The problems is that women can do the same bad things as you have mentioned but they weren't allowed to be in position of power, which is why your reason is very narrow minded.
Okay I'm at the section of relationships between men and women and that reminds me of my many encounters with boys at my high school (I know the playing field can't really be compared to the adult world, but it's still something quite similar)
I remember this particular boy who was enamoured with me, he bought me gifts, wrote me letters and constantly tried to sit close to me. After a short while he asked me to be his girlfriend, and I wondered to myself "Does he even know me?" He had never held a conversation with me personally asides from the odd letters and the persistent presents, so why was he interested in me? I rejected him politely, I tried not to sound too annoyed because his persistence was starting to irritate me. He was furious, which is an understatement and he began raging against me. He started throwing empty bottles at my backside, was constantly teasing me about things I felt very insecure about, he called me ugly, told me nobody would ever want to be with me and got the other guys in our class to taunt me or ridicule me. I was miserable, I felt dejected, but the strangest thing happened... he asked me out again. I was shocked to say the least, he apologised and said that he was sorry and he wants to give this a second chance, kind of turning the tables so it would seem as if *I* was the problem. I was furious and I said no again and everything continued. He did this cycle about a few more times and when I still rejected him, he eventually gave up.
But (I hate to toot my own horn) I was considered attractive by some guys and it was during that time that he picked an interest in me... I realised that he was interested in me as a way of saying to his male friends that he was not a failure, that he was successful at picking girls, especially the ones that were regarded as pretty. Honestly kind of jarring to think about haha but you drive a really good point home, good video Salari!!
I completely get you. I'm considered attractive as well, and I've dealt with this treatment in school too---and beyond. Only thing was, I wasn't into most boys, I liked girls/women...which brought it's own issues to say the least. 🤗
In fact, now that I think back on it, that toxic behavior from those types of boys I grew used to from grades 3-12+ has no doubt even further molded my view on "certain" men for the rest of my natural life. Not all of them, not even most of them, but when I run into one of those guys, I know just what they are. They got their own gnarly "vibe" going on, they all got That "look", and it's universal. Doesn't matter where they guy comes from, and I can feel my fingers claw, my teeth bare, and my hackles raise. I feel nothing but pure red rage, and disgust, and I just instinctively wish all the most possible badness on them and more in the world with all the intent of my being. There's just no excuse in the world to act like that. ZE-RO.
It's kinda a hard issue but kids will be kids they do fucking idiotic things shit like this just happens in high school loads of kid who don't know who they want to be and have tons of emotions. I remember back in post soviet Poland as kids we didnt have much toys or tvs anything like that not that we were ever allowed to play with them and we were ordered to play outside and me and my friend would get so bored we would punch and wrestle each other for fun this is from 5 or 6 years old bare knuckle fighting can't be good for a child at that age it builds a wierd habit or mentality they find hard to express and drop later on
@@ghengiskhan9308 "kids will be kids" or "boys will be boys" is an excuse and makes it sound like this should be normal or acceptable, and is inevitable.
@@Ninjanugets123 maybe it is an excuse but this behaviour is inevitable not that they shouldn't be taught differently or not be punished for it but kids will need to learn on their own mistakes. Half of these kids are going through so many emotions they don't know what's happening to them anyway
Sounds like a real charmer
So many MRAs say things in arguments that give away that many of them really just want to be homemakers without feeling emasculated. I hope we can get to that point soon
I don't like men at all, and I don't care very much, but do you really think that men being economically dependent and their work being unpaid instead of women's is going to make the world better?
MRA are just bunch of incels in in-denial
@@taide8989 I think what would be the best outcome is that men and women will have the freedom to choose whether they'd like to become homemakers, take care of children, or focus on their career or do literally anything they please without being shamed for it or called not feminine/masculine enough. So basically the gender stereotypes should die forever. Should homemakers have their own money? Fuck yes but this is a government issue, not so much as a societal one although yeah, stay at home parents are often treated like dirt and like their work isn't hard (IT IS).
@@taide8989 who cares who stays at home. That's not the point. Jesus you hierarchy enthusiasts are so dense.
@@alexarviso6836 the ones that stayed at home (and still stay) i.e. women were (are) economically dependent, sheltered from connections with other people than their male partner and burdened with physical and emotional work that nobody treats seriously. So yeah, it fucking matters who gets fucked over and by whom
The outro reminded me of a good one I heard recently. Toxic masculinity is like sour milk. Not all milk is sour.
There are plenty of ways to express masculinity without harming those around you.
Salari does make mistakes in this video though.
He clearly does not understand that (let alone why)
life-long LGBT-Allys are upset about the current very-very-sexist
Gender-Swapping and other Issues of Modern Hollywood.
It sounds almost naive when he utters the completly-positive Words 'Inclusivity is Good and Representation is Needed', while showing hes totally unaware of the entire Concept
of 'Twisted Inclusivity and Bad Representation'.
He just does not seem to know much about how f-ed, twsited and
pathetic the current Wave of Gender-Swaps and Blackwashing really is.
you articulate and execute your points so well! I love your videos
Fascism isn't only about racism, is about queerphobia and misoginy, too. They were fascist when they were sexists, latter antisemitism /racism in general is another part of the same problem.
Fascism is about dominance. See the brown eyes blue eyes experiment. It all is destined to eat itself though. I'm also reminded of Hegels Master and Slave.
Fascism is like ... late stage conservatism. Fascists don't just want to preserve a status quo, they want to return to an often romanticized status quo of the past. Racism, antisemitism, homophobia, misogyny, transphibia, xenophobia, etc. are used as a justification for that. It's a way to establish an enemy, that's to blame for why the fascists are unhappy and why society needs to return to "old ways" to "become great again".
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Racism and queerphobia stem from misogyny
@@pepi7404 You've clearly never read "The Doctrine of Facism"
Something that people need to do is stop making fun of men for not being hyper masculine. You all say shit about how men need to be more in touch with their emotions, and then use men crying as some sort of example of failure by them or them just being whiny. Same thing with being fat or not being muscular, don't bodyshame men the same way you wouldn't bodyshame women. The term "neckbeard" sees way too much usage for it often just being a word that means out of shape, and typically neurodivergant, man.
facts.
as a dude I feel so fucking confused.
especially when it comes to opening up and talking to friends.
I often hear on twitter "talk about your emotions"
2 tweets later it says but don't talk too much.
and then I ask myself, where is the line?
But nobody really defines it so I keep it all inside, never talking to anyone.
lJannik here I will define the line for you. You can talk about your emotions and express yourself but if you are the only one who is doing that in a two way conversation and if there’s something bigger that’s bothering you, then you should seek therapy. Otherwise you’ll end up burdening your friends and they will end up being emotionally exhausted from your issues. So yes- express yourself, it will make your bonds deeper. But be mindful that it’s not the same as dumping all your issues on someone else.
It's exactly being weak and emasculated that drives men into depression. These gender roles exist because they simply work and have worked since the beginning of time.
If I didn't get body shamed when I was younger, I would have never started working out, eating healthier and learning boxing. Men need to be pushed or even bullied sometimes or they'll end up becoming weak and miserable addicts. He's right about the incel groups not focusing on individual responsibility and blaming it all on others, but that's mostly that subcategory of the right. The left is also a master at blaming everything but the individual for their mysery.
@@weareeverywhere8851 repressing everything abt ur feelings ALSO leads into depression bcuz u have nowhere to put ur depressive thoughts or a healthy way to deal w/ them, until it leads to inevitable breaking, so they end up harming someone or themselves. body shaming may have worked for u, sure, but u can't speak for everybody. many develop eating disorders for that, or just stop trying bcuz they've lost all self esteem.
nobody deserves to undergo trauma, there r other ways of pushing ppl into the right direction, such as healthy environments n positive motivation.
also! i should add that such gender roles of "men strong, men never cry, men tough, no femininity!!!!" only got implemented overtime. gender roles n things as such always change w/ society, as, for example, men used to wear makeup, heels n keep their hair long (thru wigs). it was women who started wearing such things to become more masculine, but then the tides changed n THAT became feminine
things r never constant in our society, n men should definitely b allowed to feel their feelings n experiment w/ things that they like w/o being called 'too weak' or a 'woman'. that has started to change for the best w/ our newer generations, so i have hope :)
@@mccperin Who says we don't talk about our feelings/thoughts? That's just a strawman he made.
I do think men need a role model or people to tell them when they are destroying themselves. Too much freedom leads to degeneracy and the inevitable road to depression and mental instability.
During the corona pandemic I almost fell into that rabbit hole. I was almost 17 and felt exactly how you described it. I turned 18 a few days ago and happy that I can watch videos like that
love your content, so well researched
Wow! This was eye-openning and yet voiced so much of what I already knew as a young black woman. I know I'm not the target audience, but I'm still in awe of all that young men have to contend with today as my husband and I raise our baby boy. Thanks for your work.
Sam's story lines up in a lot of ways with mine. I disagree with your saying that deradicalization takes a lot of effort though (at least in my experience).
For me, deradicalization was mostly as simple as not going on 4chan anymore. I recognized it was terrible for my mental health to be around negativity so much, but I didn't recognize that the beliefs I'd taken up because of 4chan were a problem. Soon after I stopped going on 4chan, I started hanging out with a girl with vastly different beliefs than me. She grew up poor, and I saw that poverty was not a choice (insert bootstraps meme). She had chronic health issues, and had a hard time paying for doctors visits, so I saw that our current healthcare system does not work. She had anxiety attacks, and I saw that anxiety was not just something people were faking. These in combination had me questioning lost of other beliefs I had held so strongly.
Sometimes it's really as simple as just having real life relationships with other people, something a whole lot of 4chan users don't have.
It's amazingly terrifying how easy it is to be isolated and lonely in the modern day... :/
Something similar happened to me back then.
I was just this perpetually skeptical nightmare that eat up all the vile right-wing TH-camrs spew and laughed at the weak lefties with their uwu mental illnesses and little trigger warnings.
Like, haha, man, I was so much better than them, right? like, yeah, I had been depressed since I was in highschool, didn't had a job nor the money to pursue my education any further and I constantly self harmed in secret, but haha at least I wasn't like other girls haha, I wasn't a weakling leftie, right guys....?
And then I had my first panic attack at 20, on a bus ride, as I was thinking how my the only friends I had were online and how all of them would love to laugh at my corpse if they saw who I really was.
I got such a mayor anxiety crisis I spend a whole year on medication where I was constantly frightened and shaky and enduring multiple panic attacks on a daily basis, I just couldn't stand the sight of myself anymore, I felt like a leech, I was weak, I was truly a pathetic creature.
Of course all my "cool friends" on the right side of history awkwardly distanced away from me when I told them about my situation...
And I began to slowly question who I had been during all those years, the kind of people I had surrounded myself with, and what I had become, how much of a hateful little asswipe I was, scared of getting hurt so I hurt others to self assure that I wasn't like them. I was the worst.
I just couldn't continue the charade anymore, I had to change my world view if I wanted to continue living with myself, and I needed to meet new people.
Well, is been around 6 years since that. I can't say I'm the same person anymore. Some of the cynism is still there, but I've always been a bit hard headed, I just need to work around it.
But I've changed so much, I met such lovely, amazing people since I expanded my horizons and empathy stopped being such a scary concept. I learned that vulnerability isn't a sin, nor a sign of weakness or a flaw.
I wish that I had realized that sooner, maybe things would have been different.
I wish I could just apologize to everyone I ever hurt as a clueless 20 year old, but for now, I try to be kind and as genuine as I can be to the people around me.
This is so... needed. Thank you
Who could have ever imagined that the literal shapeshifter would be classified as gender-fluid? 🤔
Im glad things are changing and men wont have so much pressure to fit the mould of being wealthy, successful, masculine looking, etc. Because they deserve to be happy with themselves regardless of their circumstances
The problem with that is that it goes deeper than being wealthy, successful and masculine looking. Boys, growing up, have the expectation of being tough and independent. Boys are taught to isolate themselves. To never admit that they have a problem. To see other men as competition. Because the history of men is the history of men as a disposable material. Anyone who isn't part of the ruling class is a material. Women have often been treated as ornaments or human producers. Whereas men have been taught, for thousands of years, all the traits needed to make them disposable. So, it's probably not enough to say that men don't need to be wealthy, successful or conventionally attractive. We might need to look at creating media that informs a new positive standard for men.
@@Joseph-cq3ij That's literally the point here
Don't claim victory too soon. The right is going all in on the culture war.
@@mooreanonumbers but what is "winning?" if the rightwingers get the control they want they would have to maintain that control forever since no matter how many times they try to say the world should work the way they want it to, it doesn't. things changing is inevitable, hopefully we can change them quickly enough.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Look at attacks on sex workers, lgbt people and abortion rights over the last few months. They are the canaries in the coal mine. Look how american evangelist groups are funding the same initiatives worldwide. Look how much of eastern Europe are slowly fading to a bunch of Christian fundamentalist ethnostates without anyone caring internationally. Just because they lost control of coastal america doesnt mean theyre gonna lie down.
even as a cis woman, i've flirted and dodged some very BAD ideologies and i know how idk fucking sublime it is to see yourself free from hate so yeah hugs to sam you doing fine champ
What kind of ideologies
@@ghengiskhan9308 oh boy when i was about 13, 14 yrs old, i'd listen to way too much black metal and suddenly edgy jokes about jewish people were on the tip of my tongue. i'd started to realized how fucked up that kind of online space was soon enough not to become a full blown nazi nor even right-wing, and things were fine for a couple of years until my terf year, when i was about 19 years old. then i came back to my senses, thank goodness. to grow up with available internet 24/7 is dangerous my friends
@@rofosveryownsideaccountont8251 gosh I feel less alone with my terf phase which happened during Covid isolation (so alone with my screen) and I am super ashamed of it. I was just a suicidal weird girl that was tired of being seen as something that needs to be pretty and shutting the f up . I've wanted help to heal from the trauma which is mysoginy, bullying I've faced for not being what a woman should be and CSA. They turned me into a hateful mf instead. At first it was just some jokes on Tiktok and then I've lost reason ... I am ashamed, as I should.
Amazing video!!! Very interesting and well explained!
Also if Sam sees this, I’m proud of you!
Been seeing your videos this past week. This one made me subscribe. Well done
I liked what you said around 21:00. Men are raised to expect that if they work hard, they will find love. When this doesn't happen, there's an understandable backlash as the assumption ("entitlement") is ripped away.