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Facebook has an extraordinary amount of influence and power in the modern world, enough to sway elections in numerous countries. It also has become an extremely effective tool for external sources to manipulate users into believing lies and fake news to push their agendas. News outlets such as Fox News, OAN and various conservative right wing outlets have become prominent on Facebook, along with right wing figures such as Ben Shapiro and his site, The Daily Wire. Boomers are a generation that have become especially vulnerable to the echo chamber created in social networks like Facebook, due to the repetitive nature of how information in distributed, and how algorithms feed upon outrage. As a result, many have been radicalized by constant exposure to lies, and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has no interest in fixing the most efficient propaganda machine ever created.
Big thanks to Dylan Reid Miller (@mxdylanreid) for helping with this project!
Main title 3:51
Old Dog, New Tricks 6:48
If you don't succeed at first, lie, lie again 11:47
Engagement/Enragement 16:23
Make America Fear Again 24:47
The World Is Always Ending 31:15
Outro 40:41
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I am a boomer (okay, me!) who is completely mystified by what has happened to our generation. We were the hippies, the rebellious teens who protested the Vietnam War and pointed out the hypocrisy of our elders. Now it's hard to find someone who will admit to ever having held those views. I am proud of the fact that I have maintained my basic idealism over the years, and my healthy disdain for those who have succumbed to the greed and cynicism that seems so rampant these days. People in some quarters have completely lost any capacity to recognize irony when they rant about ideals they once held themselves.
Millennial here and an avid historian buff of American's cold war era. What you said here has always been my biggest disappointment in the boomers. I just wanted to say I'm very happy to see some of you are still around.
Another millenial who's also a history nerd- and I'm also aghast that the generation who had created the 60s counter-culture, supported the civil rights movement, and burned bras and draft cards has come to this. But glad that not all of you have lost your roots!
Gen Z kid here, and I'm sorry it came to that. However, you'll be happy to know that the new generations are keeping your generation's former visions alive.
@@wildcatste Most of the people you're talking about are already in their 70s or older. The younger cohort of boomers missed out on most of that idealistic era and came of age in the more cynical post-Watergate 1970s and "greed is good" early 80s.
Edit: wrote this before the video covered some of the same points.
I mean, hippies were always a minority, and if we're being honest, most of them were just selfish kids. In that way, they were typical boomers.
The crazy part about this is that for many boomers, Facebook IS the internet. They literally do not consume any online content other that zuckerburg sludge
Do you think seeking a variety of sources helps any? TH-cam's algorithm is problematic as well, everyone talks about how awful Reddit is, I'm actually grateful to be banned from Twitter.
@@dianamiller3307 I think Reddit is a bit better because it's made up of small communities. Makes it easier to moderate because you can shut down individual subreddits. But yeah, it's the sad truth of internet public squares, especially managed by corporations for profit.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 I miss Yahoo groups.
@@dianamiller3307 Social media isn’t a source. Not sure if that’s what you were trying to say but you might want to rephrase that.
@@arosenthal3318 nah I think my english is perfectly fine thanks. In context it makes sense unless someone is trying to be a pedantic jackass. I'm very familiar with scholarly sources. Note the adjective there
Boomers really said the youngest generations will believe anything and then immediately believe everything on fb
after spending years imbedding it in our heads to never fully trust anything or anyone that tries to contact you online, especially having been a kid in the 2000's when people still had those bulky head monitor computers until 2009.
My parents in a nutshell
My dad told me he voted for Trump after Obama because he thought Christianity was on the verge of being outlawed.
@@mercurialsilver5688 I’m so sorry man
@@085cur1ty My dad was always weird, even for a preacher. My mom going crazy is what really hurts. 😕
Remember when Facebook was getting popular in 06-07 and most boomers didn’t want anything to do with it? I wish it would’ve had stayed that way.
Remember when you little brats best shutyer YAPS!!!
@@solomonreal1977 unreadable
@@ilincabogza its to the doof pile for you
@@mistermoo7602 you are no match for me
In my country it didn't become popular until 09-10, because we already had a popular social medium with similar functionality (and more customization, similar to myspace). Facebook only became popular when Boomers started catching on to that other social media platform.
64 yr old boomer here. FB made me aware of how most of the people I associated with in real life really think. They have revealed just how stupid, gullible, and disgusting they really are. My social life has gone from a small circle of friends connected by the past, or by mutual interests, to like 3 people two of which live in another state. I can’t even talk to most people over 30 anymore.
It really sucks that you had to go through that, but hey, better 3 good friends over 10 bad ones..
I'm sorry, that sucks. I hope you make some new (and sincere) friends!
I'm so sorry you've gone through this. But you deserve to be around good people who have good hearts, and it's probably better for your mental and physical health to associate with those 3 people than it is for you to try to maintain friendships with toxic people. I wish you nothing but the best in life.
Could you adopt me? I’m tired of my mom tagging me in videos like “you should convert to Christianity because…” and “covid is being spread through 5G!”
facebook is a hellhole these days. my dad posts "funny" jokes that are honestly pretty offensive, then gets really excited when it gets attention. it's strange to see older generations getting sucked into social media dopamine rush just as much as the rest of us. i deleted mine years ago and have no ragrets
Its ironic that boomers themselves where the ones that warned/hated social media.. now my parents are more addicted than me.
@@sweetenlemons8659 so true! I'm never on social media anymore and my mom, now in her 60s, is the one always on her phone at family gatherings, obsessively taking photos to post on Facebook. Luckily she hasn't fallen down the crazy conspiracy rabbit holes some of these boomers have and she's still pretty progressive. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out that she gets a large portion of her news from Facebook. Which is scary on it's own for sure.
you know something is wrong when young people are offended by old people rather than old people being offended by young people.
Regrets
@@Themystergamerr look up "no ragrets" lol. I know how it's spelled; that's from a meme
“You’re too young to understand.”
Then tell me, when does a person start to understand? How do you get that understanding? Is it actually understanding or just hardened ignorance?
Yeah the baby boomers, handed the best economy in the history of the United States, enjoyed the end of New Deal Era policies strong social safety net, affordable housing.... and then pulled the ladder up behind them so they can have it all to themselfs, and say we're are lazy, entitled and don't understand the world.
@@patrickmcpartland1398 man oh man. baby boomers were drafted into war you were drafted into minecraft. man you have it so hard. and yes young people are lazy compared to the old days. work back then was literally back breaking work these days is sitting in airconditioned offices making phone calls while playing some game on your iphone half distracted or putting ketchup on a burger but you are too stupid to do it right so there is a machine that puts the right amount for you.
Based on statisitcs, work productivity has gone up so even if we are lazy we are also better at our job than boomers ever were, yet we get less money for work that is statistically better. curious
@Mana Montana
Dude, production has gone up since 50s. Also, people protested not just those wars but the draft as well. I don't understand your argument with the back breaking labor because trade and construction jobs still exist and are very prominent. But Air-conditioned office jobs were super prominent in the 60s because they've been a thing since the 40s. Fast food also saw a rise in the 60s so people were still making burgers back then. People were also paid more for their work than we are today. Go read a history book, then do some research on how wages have stagnated because they don't adjust for inflation or rate of production.
@@mayainverse9429 For what it's worth, older Millennials fought in the most recent war, and a lot of zoomers work in sweatshops and hot, gross warehouses so that your generation can continue to uphold your standard of living.
I have a theory about why news articles are so obsessed with gen z vs millennials. I think they're trying to divide us and tell us that we are different than one another rather than acc let us work together because there should be more of both generations combined than boomers by now
That could be it!
Actually I like Gen z. They're almost like I dreamed my Gen (millenial) would be.
Actually I like Gen z. They're almost like I dreamed my Gen (millenial) would be.
@@eldron29-a54 aw I'm glad you like gen z!!! Im gen z actually hehe
Then maybe it would be a good idea to not other-ize boomers. I feel like I am in an anti-boomer propaganda echo chamber and this is my first salari video.
It sucks when you can see your parents getting slowly radicalized. My dad has stayed the same, but now my mom believes that Q can predict the future.
@Weston Meyer That's what we thought until the Capitol storming. I won't say all Q-Anon people are that crazy, but don't underestimate people
What is Q? And how do they compare to the destruction and violence from far-left groups blm and antifa?
@@la_sn3ak3r19 Are you referring to the org blm or the movement? Antifa isn’t a group, it’s an ideology, and though Antifa do sometimes light shit on fire, they very rarely attack people. Violence isn’t the destruction of inanimate objects, it is the harming of people, of human beings.
My mom is evangelical Christian and thinks Trump is called by god to be president, and he will come back as President. My mom believes the democratic party has a hidden sex-trafficking ring. She believes Kat Kerr who claims that god told her Trump will president again. Kat Kerr also claims to have gone to heaven over 1,000 times, and that some rooms in heaven are made of Jello and Jesus' favorite food is pizza, and that there is roller coasters in heaven. (I wish I were making this up) And my mom believes all this, I don't think she would have done so before Trump, her new messiah. I've tried to point out that she falling into cult, but she just told me I was "persecuting" her. But it is very hard and heartbreaking seeing your family fall for a cult.
@@starrystarrynight52 my friend believes in "systemic waycism" even though there is no evidence to prove it exists. They also believed tRump colluded with Russia during the 2016 general election even after Special Council Mueller debunked that conspiracy theory. They also believe that q anon is a bigger threat over far-left extremism that have caused 2 billion in property damage, took 31 lives(RIP David Dorn), and injured thousands back in the Summer of 2020. They also believe the Democratic Party is fighting for the people when in fact they are attempting to limit our right to speak freely with Hate Speech Laws, support Big Tech censorship against their political opposition, confiscating firearms from law abiding citizens, and undermine law enforcement by defunding them to pander to far-left extremists.
8 years ago I was having a political argument with my conservative friend (no shouting until the end) and he got backed into a corner. He flipped out. Started screaming "I DON'T CARE! I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REFUGEES! I JUST DON'T WANT THEM HERE!" I decided in that moment..we couldn't be friends anymore. He loved talking about politics and I hated it.
I tried, Salari... God, how I tried, but my mental health DEMANDED I stopped trying to make my parents aknowledge anything outside their bubble. And I won't put myself in that situation for my sake again.
Absolutely no one will blame you for leaving things be. The important thing is that you tried. Like I said, that little bit of opposition does stick with people, and can influence future decision making; it may never happen, we can't control how people think of course, but it's always better to try than to have done nothing at all. But if it is something that you feel is taking a toll on your mentally, it's fine to take a step back.
@@Salari thank you :)
Saaaaame. It's no use. I'm glad we tried at least.
the tactic to dealing with these types of people is to just make shit up, it's unlikely they would even look into it.
You know what's the scariest part about it is? The fact that you can see the slow downfall like a negative character arc, you were there from the start of the decline and there's nothing you can do about it. I had two former friends one fell into QAnon and another fell into the Hotep/black supremacy ideology, I remember them trying to convince me to watch a bunch of nonsense conspiracy theory videos. I tried to to tell them how sketchy and wrong these ideas are, but like every conspiracy theory once you refute a point they create 20 more questions to overwhelm. I cut my ties with them, when the QAnoner friend said the Christchurch shooting was a hoax and the Hotep friend started spouting some reverse-race realism nonsense.
Oooh I've never clicked so fast. So many boomers back then I know would be like 'don't believe what you read on the internet!' but now are the first people that immediately believe whatever new conspiracy theory they're presented with (obligatory disclaimer: not-all boomers ok)
Lol true.
Not all boomers im dying
them: how do you know that?
Me: wikipedia
them: loool wikipedia, dont believe everything you read on the internet
also them: uses facebook as a news source
Soo true. Conspiracies like Russian collusion or ending Roe or Trump started caging children at the border? Ohh... wait. That’s nit what you mean. See what what I did there? Probably not.
@@northernzeus768 yeah they don't get it
The thing is, if you ask them whether they would deserve to die if they stole something that's easily replaceable, they'll smugly answer that they would never steal anything because they're good, honest people... And if you ask them to try and walk a mile in other people's shoes, they just won't. Because their vision of reality is so distorted, so far gone that they're just incapable of empathy for someone who's too different from them. It's extremely disheartening. :(
From another angle this is an undisputable proof that they don't know other people. That would be something they cannot argue effectively against
@@novelty_thief Sure, but remember that proof only works on rational individuals. Irrational people couldn't care less about proof, facts or logic.
@@neithanm I know, in that case I always go with the Thanos' quote "Reality can be whatever I want"(which just means claiming truth for yourself which is otherwise an appalling mode of thinking) and proceed to use that to look better and more rational than my opponent.
For this example just telling them that it is an undisputable fact of reality that they don't know how it's like for other people, just pulling the rug under them. They only know how to tell others how little they know so they will use that against you which will bring you to say: "I know the struggles of those people and since I am a good and caring person I will seek to help which you can't anyways"
I know it is weasily to argue like that, taking the moral high ground and appeal to their supposed virtues but I think it's a necessary tool to overcome the most difficult people in front of others.
You're right with arguing against irrational dumbfucks on their own, that's a waste of time. But in public with other impressionable people around, yes dig into it! Dig the good brainworms in and starve theirs.
Believe me this doesn't only apply to Boomers.
@@Bygre My generation literally invented 33 genders.
People saying "Boomers" are disconnected from reality obviously need to do a little introspection.
It's really weird that for my mom it turned out to be the opposite. She was going in a completely conservative direction but then as she started getting involved with social media she is more liberal now? I have no idea how but she went from extremely religious to criticizing the church in a couple of months
That's awesome! ☀
😂
My new rule of thumb is: if news are making you feel strong emotions, it's a bait. I like the news on wikipedia's front page. They're factual and thus boring. No outrage, no manipulations.
There’s a lot of crazy stuff going on that’s completely true and should make you feel strongly. I don’t think ignoring the worse parts of the world is helpful, but I definitely agree with being sceptical of manipulative headlines.
@@estherriley6879 100%
Nothing wrong with having strong feelings about how shit the world we've built ourselves is.
But you should always take a step back, never knee jerk react and start doing your due diligence and research. Educate yourself on history and how power works and never take things as a given (you're not immune to propaganda).
Facts can be very painful
idk today they bombed a school in afghanistan and that made me feel pretty bad
I mean, my government is actively working to make abortion and sexual education a crime, I was to the protests and we were attacked by neonazis, I feel like I have a right to feel anger when reading the news.
I'm a lefty Boomer myself and couldn't agree more with your analysis.Maybe my perspective is different because I'm not on social media and would never think of getting my news from Facebook or twitter.It's been disheartening to see my contemporaries betraying and abandoning our socially conscience values.What gives me hope is the progressive values of young people. I just hope that they don't abandon them like many of of us have.
Don't worry about it. You boomers also got a better economy than us. We're not going to be able to slip into contentment.
Yeah, we haven’t had one second of no stress. I’m glad it’s good for you guys , and it always has been. 👍😃
Unfortunately, It's never always good.@@Kerrviii
In Brazil whatsApp plays the same role that facebook does in the USA, Europe etc. And WhatsApp is even more complicated, it kinda becomes an deep web of its on, because of the way that the app works.
Whatsapp is also owned by Facebook, I believe, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's even harder to regulate since it's just a messenger app and not an entire platform.
@@chronicallychic yea. i think that probably there is no way of regulating it, because it uses some encryption system, where only the people in the chat can acess to data of the conversation, at least in theory. So in the end it becames just a chain reaction of boomers sending fake news to other boomers.
this also happen in paraguay. usually family or ex-college graduates (sounds specific but there's a lot of groupchats for that) that are supposed to connect family/friends become a place to spread misinformation (and send good morning texts)
@@julirodas9761 Yea, the good Morning texts are a huge thing in whatsApp lmao.
That isn't unique to Brazil, this is global.
Weaponized female beauty sounds fascinating. It's something I've kind of noticed from conservatives as well. They love having a pretty talking head that confirms what they want to believe and seem more likely to insult the appearance of a women who disagrees with them. If the woman who disagrees is not smoking hot they will insult her looks, but if she is attractive they will say she is a "bimbo" or stupid or infantize her no matter how intelligent, successful and educated she is.
Women are attacked for their looks, men aren't. This reinforces the social norm that women are obliged to be pretty.
@@grmpEqweer Agreed. It's something I noticed from an early age. Women are expected to be attractive and available.
@@grmpEqweer Um, men are attacked for their looks, but women are attacked WAY more than men.
Both my parents are so brainwashed by it they fear the fact that I'm trans. It's just a struggle communicating with them. My elder brother also follows the facebook mindset sadly.
You deserve better, please take care of yourself since others in your life are ignorant to you needs and feelings.
good luck, I'm rooting for ya x
Run away when you can, but please, use the common sense, it's dangerous outside.
Sorry to hear that. Try to take care of your mental wellbeing as much as possible, try to reach out to other family members that aren't (as) transphobic, cultivate a supportive friend group, and check if there are any lgbt+ support groups in your area.
Also, stay true to yourself but don't antagonize your parents or brother if you're not yet financially independent yet.
Good luck and lots of strength.
My best friend, also trans, took his life in 2016. I began my transition 10 years ago and I've been hospitalized 3 times, twice by police force, for suicidal thinking.
I used to have a very naive and patriotic view of this country. Ten years later and I literally could torture these transphobic motherfuckers without feeling a damn thing.
They took my best friend from me. I'm never going to forget that, and I'm never going to forgive them for their willful ignorance in the face of such obvious suffering.
I was born right between the boomer and x generations, but always identified with x, as my mother was very boomer. However my ex-wife was a few years older, and addicted to Facebook, which I despised. In 2016 she went full alt-right, to my horror. Before this, we could talk about anything. But suddenly she started rejecting anything I said as if it came from leftist brainwashing. She wouldn't argue or debate - she just ignored everything I said, or claimed I was being intolerant. At one point she even claimed I was "mansplaining" to her - but she knew I was a feminist, and she hated feminism. One time I even saw her send a Paul Joseph Watson video to her son - PJW blamed men's relationship problems on feminists.
In the end that's why our marriage ended. I couldn't respect her racism, xenophobia, or conspiracy theories, and her refusal to engage with facts. I kept hoping she would soften up after awhile, but it hasn't happened yet, and now it's too late for us.
It makes me sad. I really loved her.
gosh that sounds horrible, I know shes not dead or anything but I'm sorry for your loss man
I am experiencing something very similar with both of my gen x parents right now, they don't even seem like the same people they were 5 years ago :(
@@gr3my me with my grandma, I’ve had to keep it very minimal.
@@tanamoore2030 it's so sad to see them go down the rabbit hole ://
That’s sad, it sounds like something someone would write a song about. But it’s something a lot of people can relate to.
Sounds like you are a bigot who easily believes the worst in people when that worst is just your own hate projected to them. Democrats have embraced open fascism. Feminist have embraced the hatred of men. These are facts, you cost yourself your own marriage with your own hate.
My parents are boomers, and they roll their eyes and laugh at me for buying food from the local farmer's market instead of the cheaper things from Costco. And they wonder why I don't trust or respect them.
I mean.... that isn't really a reason not to trust or respect them. I'm sure you have other reasons, but this wasn't a great example of "boomer".
@@RhianKristen I think that someone laughing at your values and not even attempting to have a discussion on the subject is more than enough to lose respect for them. They clearly don't respect me or my values. There's a lot of other reasons too, this is just the most recent one. While I absolutely do not believe that every single person from that generation has this kind of 'cheapest product at all costs' mindset, it's still worrying that there's so many of them who do.
@@gisellemurasaki2399 i mean ? Aren’t u doing the same not respecting their beliefs? I totally get ur point But judging them u r doing exactly the same as them
@@ashenone3050 yeah I mean it was pretty shitty for them to punch you, but you're just as bad because you punched back!! See how dumb that sounds.
It's a very good thing that you're buying products produced near you. Very healthy for the local economy.
Yep. The generation that complained about the younger ones being the Me,Me,Me gen and they in fact have turned into the exact thing that they didn't want..
That was always just pure projection.
I had sneezed at the same time as his cat, and I had to rewind it to make sure he wasn’t saying, “Bless you” to me 😂
😂😂😂 that's so weird when stuff like that happens
Oh god, me too!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I am so happy you are covering this. I had to leave Facebook because of the toxicity, because no matter how much I tried to provide people with the truth --people always found a way to distort it.
It really has become a horrible place to be in. Ppl went from sharing pictures of their pets and family to replicating fakenews ang arguing with their loved ones.
Besides it isn't a place for dialogue and collective construction. There is only propaganda and advertisement.
I get what you mean, but I feel like you saying, you're providing people with "the truth" might be a factor why you havn't been successful. I think that's exactly what makes it so difficult to counter right wing arguments, they present a simple truth, when the topic is far more complex. The result is that you have to lay down a complex situation and debunk how they are wrong on many levels and spend the time to maybe research numbers and facts, just for your comment to be ignored, or if they feel caught making a wrong argument, delete their comment and yours with it.
So since I don't have time for that, I will only reply "your opinion is clearly sexist" or something amongst those lines, without further explanation. I feel like on facebook the outcome of that is more impact and less work, since they have to figure out themselves why I would write something like that.
I have been struggling with this too. A few on my feed are full blown conspiracy theorists and a few more aren't too far from that. It gets exhausting just trying to pick my battles. One old family friend even unfriended me because of those disagreements (where I was always polite, provided sources, and didn't stoop to name calling or even subtle insults)
hi. I am so happy I found you in a youtube comments section. I have traveled many countries looking for a holy prophet that knows all truth the world has to offer I can not believe in the many millions of people I have come across you a person in a youtube comments section is the sole provider of truth on this entire planet. Hurry get into my van we need to get to the president and organize a meeting with the UN to institute you as the new king of earth to tell everyone what the truth is.
You're a narcissist that thinks you're the arbiter of truth
I'm not American, so I can't relate to the specific cases. However, this does apply to my dad, in a way. I see him scrolling through facebook a lot and he usually tells me political jokes or comments that are very much anti-something all the time. It's such a shame too because he's most of the time in a very negative mood, and I don't think all those political stuff on how we're going worse is going to help him at all
Radicalization through Facebook goes beyond the US. With its increasing global userbase, it's spreading misinformation and not-so-great ideas worldwide.
Same with my dad. My mum's pretty sensible but dad's all about being pro right wing (Indian) . When questioned, he simply points me to the "facts" and totally believes that if it's on internet, must be true.
@@jeseenthaannejoji9582 That's true, though what I mean with my dad is most centered on the politics of my country. With what he knows about the US he hates Trump, for example, so he's not that much influenced by that part, I think. He will, however, be exposed to a lot of negative content, not only about politics but also gender expression. I fear that not only facebook's posts make him be in a constant negative space but also close him more on some of his most conservative views.
@@komal146 Oh gosh, sorry to hear that. That's a dangerous mindset to have, considering anyone can post anything on the internet.
@@komal146 oh my God, fellow Indian here too. I hate this fake binary created in India between right and left when most of the people just want the best for India deep down in their hearts regardless of political beliefs/affiliations. But we often get caught up in clashes and name calling that we forget the core issues. Like the farmers protest came about because farmers are the group of people in our country who have been exploited since forever. These farm bills worked towards privatization and lack of legal rights for farmers to seek; this was the last straw. But still remember how we acted as a country, from calling it an 'international conspiracy to negatively portray India' to the apathy of the middle class.
We can do better but for that we have to focus on our similarities, not differences. Also, another thing I'd like to add is the people of India really like to pretend like all the religions practiced by Indians are just so opposed in ideals. But if we observe, most of them fundamentally break down into similar societal structures (for eg concerning women rights or the lack thereof, just because the law says we're equal doesn't not mean the history of sexist oppression vanishes into thin air) , I'd argue that be it Christianity, Sikhism, Hinduism, Islam any of they are not pro-autonomy of women or anti-hierarchy. Like all religions boil down to the same things yet we fight like maniacs over it. I'm sorry I'm not insulting people for being religious, I respect it. But fighting over religion negates the whole thing.
The boomer joke of "the youngs don't understand how to read a book/look at art/whatever" is the most transparent projection of their own struggles with technology
Meanwhile young people who value mental health already recognize how toxic all social media is and are actually trying to read books again
Gen Z here. And I enjoy reading
Precisely 🤌🏼
I definitely have family members who have gone down this rabbit hole. Living with them during covid has been really tough. The best way I have found to cope is to divert their attention to other things going on in the world. There are, in fact, good things going on in the world, scientific advancements and discoveries (especially in astronomy), individual acts of kindness, etc. Just changing the conversation so they're not angry and emotionally attached to the big headlines can introduce a breath of fresh air. Hope this helps someone!
What old people don't like to be remembered is that you can also accumulate stupidity with age, and some people seem to have accumulated a lot of it.
Some of my family members were spreading election fraud conspiracies back in November and I made a Facebook post reminding them how harmful that is. They got pissed and told me I was being disrespectful for talking about my family on a public platform. Fast forward to the capitol riot, no one recognized the role they played in spreading misinformation and got defensive. The cognitive dissonance that comes with this can be so heartbreaking.
Boomers also grew up on anti nazi cartoons, and yet here we are.
This is definitely my dad. He’s pro-life yet had a fit when I tried to give a homeless man a granola bar 😐 No wonder he’s always on Facebook...
Most boomers wouldn’t hand a dying man a glass of water bc “NOTHING IS FREE IN THIS NATION 👊🏻”
5:41 normally I hate corporate online engagement, but "sorry you feel this way, Brenda" is objectively hilarious
Man, seeing my grandma start spouting random stuff she read on whatsapp about the vaccine has been horribly stressful...
listen, I'm a gen z kid about to go to college and all I can say is damn I'm so glad I never used Facebook because my town is incredibly conservative and I have no doubt it would have poisoned my mind. So many adults and family members have been lost to this, and it hurts even more when your own family accuses me, a biracial person and my sister of color of being the "bad sheep" of the family. It just sucks.
You're awesome, keep being so.
-Some rando on the internet.
Lost to what exactly? Conservative towns with strong roots in family and community are always the best
@@sebastiangrundler7640
If you are happy being a conformist, then small town life is great.
I have family like that.
And when they visit, I don't talk about large sectors of my life.
They don't know me.
If you can't conform, or aren't happy conforming, and you can't hide who you are very thoroughly, then...you really have to leave those conservative small towns before something bad happens to you.
@@PretendingToBeAHumanI’m really sorry. I had a very similar situation. I’m autistic and nonbinary and grew up in a small conservative town. High school was very fun but middle school and college was hell. My family is very Republican and kicked me out of the house for being a leftist and learning to accept my neurodivergence. Since moving across the country I can say it’s been a hell of a lot better. I’m glad you’re in a better place
I try to curate my mom's newsfeed for her.
It's our fault why she got addicted to it in the first place.
Her friend's posts are cringey, but what's important is she doesn't feel too alone "with us" anymore.
Everyone needs friends outside of family, you can't take that away from anyone.
But if you're afraid they'd be easily influenced by bad actors, be the "adult" and help them out before it gets worse.
They do have Facebook marketplace which is their equivalent of eBay
I was just thinking about this, plus you can also buy things from Instagram
omg my stepdad will literally scroll for hours on Marketplace, but complain if I’m simply texting on my phone for 15 minutes.
That’s how I found my first car lol
As someone who sometimes buys, repairs and sells stuff on eBay, the Marketplace is one thing I miss since I quit Facebook at the beginning of the year. Unfortunately, there are no half-measures, if you are on Facebook at all then your privacy is at severe risk.
I was thinking recently about if there is a way around this, so I could still use Facebook Marketplace reasonably anonymously without having to use anything else on there. I think if you purchased a pre-loaded mobile SIM with cash and put it into a de-Googled mobile phone (you'd need to install a custom OS such as Lineage OS on it), you could then use that phone number with a dummy email address and a pseudonym to register on Facebook.
You would need to make sure that you don't friend anyone on Facebook with that account (much of your privacy is leaked because the algorithms work out your identity by who you associate with) and just use it for the Marketplace only. You should also do that only on a desktop or laptop PC and have a specific browser that you only use for Facebook. You definitely should not use the mobile app on your phone.
I think if you did the above, you should be reasonably anonymous - although you may struggle selling items on Facebook Marketplace because people will be suspicious of someone selling from an account with no friends on it. With that said, you get the best selling prices on eBay anyway.
Just a few thoughts, I may try it myself. (I do already have a "burner" phone that I have used for other accounts already.)
your uncle Gary just cannot catch a break
He's the worst
Wait, a cat?! So cute. Whats their name?
Her name is Curie and she's part Siamese, part angel.
@@Salari aahw, she seems nice
I'm a cat person too... unfortunately my sister's allegric, which is sad cause she's crazier than me when comming to petting felines lol.
I like to think of myself as an old hand at deleting Facebook since I’ve done it 10 years ago but I know I’m hypocritical since I still have Instagram.
I'm really glad this popped up in my recommendations. Really great video!!
Your section about how disadvantaged we are to live happy, successful lives compared to our parents' generation makes me so sad. I really wanted to have kids, but even at $75,000 a year, I don't think I can afford it and it feels kinda fucked up to be bringing kids into a world that is probably going to be ravaged by climate change. My boomer parents can be as incredulous as they want at this, but their generation built this world for mine and that's why they may not get grandkids 🤷
That piano cover of Komm, Süsser Tod in the first segment was distractingly fitting.
Can't just sneak that in there. That shit's dangerous to us Eva fans. :P
How does this not have more views? It so well done. Boost for algorithm!
Social media has been a blessing. Seeing my family post their true colors has removed alot of toxicity from my life.
My mom is a Boomer and can't understand how social media or the internet works 😂 I'm glad for it though.
Hilarious that Socrates complains about children during the day seeing what he did to them at night.
That explains a lot as my parent spends a lot of time on Facebook and is very much one of the boomers described in this video, I knew Facebook had a hand in it but as I haven't gone on in years I didn't realize how bad it was. Worst thing is is that they won't even listen to any opposition to their views, they just immediately stop me from saying anything on the subject
I don't typically comment...but this video is incredibly well done. Thank you!
This is so well done but yeesh do I hate how this resonates with my father rn.
Yeah, my parents are boomers. My mom is thankfully not like this -- quite the opposite, I have radicalized her toward the far left 😂 My dad, however, is kind of a mix of beliefs. Totally against billionaires and the like, but still definitely only understands overt bigotry (including racism) and regularly still engages in covert bigotry himself. He also completely shuts down and doesn't want to hear it if you try to correct him on something, no matter how nicely. So that sucks.
Same with my dad; he is definitely a hardcore capitalist but thinks of himself as very progressive on social issues. The other day, we were talking about Ma'khia Bryant and he is adamant that the officer had no choice. My response: "Dad, imagine that these were two white girls fighting - the exact same situation, but they looked like me. Do you really think that a gun was needed in this situation?" He just said "interesting point" and stopped talking. That's the kind of question I make sure to ask myself to unlearn my biases. That can force people to recognize that they see different races as more or less deserving of justice, and hopefully that will lead to further internal reflection
@Weston Meyer Lemme guess, you watched one of my videos and got offended? 😂 Boo fucking hoo.
@Weston Meyer I guessed right. I just saw your comments sitting in my approval folder 🙂 Stay mad.
left wing manipulation/radicalization is just as bad as the right wing. I hope you feel proud of yourself for manipulating others into your beliefs.
@@davicarvalho6699 The left: let's have free healthcare and other accessible social structures that benefit everyone, as well as equity and freedom from oppression.
The right: Let's further marginalize people and push individuals further into poverty while uplifting the top 1%.
Centrists: These are the same.
"Baka Mitai" starts playing: well placed, those who know appreciated that. Great content bro.
Engagement enragement! Please accept this tithe to the holy algorithm, the uncaring god that buries great, thoughtful channels every day.
Sacrifice for the algorithm
I think Facebook might literally be the worst thing to ever happen to the internet, and in a way, the world.
I think that our ability for critical thinking is getting so much influenced by so many factors, that we cant actually realize when an information is false or not full correctly. I personally struggle sometimes and I think that the media in internet and the tv programms made this to the point where (in my opinion) more than the half people cant recognize the false information
That's actually a brilliant observation. I've always noticed that with any news or information that I've come across (whether it's general news or severe topics) I can never fully believe the people, the sources or the reactions and emotions that myself and other people have towards whatever it is.
Maybe it's me having been raised by people that told me to never fully trust the things and people on the internet- only to 10 years later have all those people become addicted to Facebook and have their daily life online- but since I've grown up for the last 20 years, I just don't trust anything fully any more- and it makes me feel incomplete in a way I guess; knowing that there's nothing I can feel fully be certain about I guess.
I would love to see the topic of boomers are sociopaths.
My mother spent 40 minutes SCREAMING at a support person that her phone bill was too high. My father once stood up in a restaurant snapping his finger and yelling to get a waitress' attention... because he ran out of salsa.
Wow your parents are INTENSE
lol my mom's been a karen with anger issues all her life, its only now that im an adult that she'll listen to me in any way. i had to take over a phone call trying to get my sim card set up cause she started getting angry, and then figured it all out in like a minute; after i legit had a half hour talk about how 'if youre nice to people and listen and try and work together, theyll wanna help and everything will be ok!' like talking to a toddler. we need like... karen kindergarten to reteach empathy or smth. politically shes surprisingly very progressive, but the disconnect from how she treats ppl in real life is so common i dont get it
@@andielol4945 A yes my favorite people the, "I'm progressive but will treat everyone like dirt if they inconvenience me."
People just need to learn genuine progressive empathy
@@kid14346 some people fall into correct positions through no fault of their own.
It's not just boomers, though. Facebook radicalizes millennials, too. Really, really hard.
Especially generation x.
I almost shared this on Facebook 😳🤣. This video is excellent and I know many boomers who understand the factual arguments you've posed and many who don't. I try not to be a Facebook debater but sometimes the stories ppl share are just ridiculous and inaccurate. Thank you for this video.
I honestly feel like my mum has been taken away from me to some extent by this phenomenon and there‘s nothing I can do about it. Multiple times she has sent me an article or a youtube video about a conspiracy theory and I have spent hours and hours to factcheck it. And everytime this happened I tried talking to her about it and started presenting all the reasons I found why what she sent me is simply not true and each and every time she has refused to engage with and sometimes even listen to my arguments. It is so very frustrating and I don‘t know what to do.
Even as a millennial doing relatively well in the current economy, I have a sister who isn’t nearly as lucky. I think one thing that those who criticize millennials may not realize is how demoralizing repeated setbacks are.
"When you've been force-fed lies and fear for decade by powerful figures and organizations it's understandable how people turn to these ideas that confirm their long established biases"
VERY true. Perhaps you need to have a long hard look at yourself in the mirror...
The internet wasn't a mistake, we're just experiencing some growing pains.
My friends 10+ years ago: Why won't you get on Facebook?
Me: I don't trust it.
My Friends: You're silly and way too paranoid.
Me now: SEE, I TOLD YALL! NOW YOUR GRANDMAS THINK FROGS ARE TURNING GAY!
So yeah great video! I'm not smarter than anyone I just had a feeling everyone sharing every aspect of their lives and thoughts on a site with iffy privacy thats gotta make money somehow was a bad idea. Twitter is the same but the character limit and quick dunkability it allows for can be a deterrent to leave thoughts in the drafts.
This was fascinating, thank you! As someone who gets the advice to use social platforms as much as possible for my portfolio, I deadass refuse to go back to facebook. It's just not a good place to be. Too much toxic shenanigans happening over there.
engagement to appease the algorithm!
but also yes, my mum's partner got sucked into the facebook radicalisation rabbithole after retiring, covid accelerated the process. started saying some very uncharacteristic things, constantly trying to get my mum (who does not do facebook) to look at posts from friends that were obviously fake stories or photoshopped pictures. i only knew because mum kept telling me about what they were saying, and i told her "this sounds an awful lot like qanon", then gave her a crash course on that because she didn't know much about it.
just in time, too, as her partner was getting ready to head to dc for jan 6 with a bunch of facebook friends, led by someone who it turned out was balls-deep into qanon. i flooded my mum with info when i found out, saying it is unsafe, particularly for a jewish person with a heart condition, and they would be rubbing shoulders with known antisemitic & white supremacist groups. partner was dismissive at first, but became horrified upon learning more. decided not to go after all. phew!
partner is doing much better now, reduced time on facebook, learned about how qanon came about (they watched cullen hoback's docuseries together, which went really well), and even started questioning some long-held kneejerk reactions to words like "socialism", "communism", and "anarchism" by actually examining the theory and discovering there was a lot they agree with! took a lot of patience & compassion on my mum's part, and i will say that her partner never became outright abusive like some peoples loved ones do, and was willing to admit they were wrong/ignorant.
I couldn't help but be distracted by the gentle melody of "Komm, Susser Tod." (Come, Sweet death) in the beginning of this video. I was thoroughly amused by it's dulcet, lullaby-like tone and the subject matter at hand paired together. Great vid!
I greatly fear that my generation, millennials, will be miserable when we all get to our 50's and 60's, and will take it out on younger generations.
I very much expect it. What is this TikTok and why is it turning the younguns into idiots? Anyway, I‘ll just go ahead and not listen to any songs released after my 25th birthday because modern music is crap!
All my friends my age make me feel old when I go on fb and see people my age yelling at clouds and talking about “kids these days”, the only thing worse is seeing their teenage kids parroting the same dumb takes!!
This was a good video! I do wish that instead of using “sociopath” as an insult or comparison for boomers, you (and more people) would simply just state the traits that boomers exhibit that happen to fall under antisocial personality disorder. It’s not fair to those with the diagnosis and furthers stigma against them.
Is everything ok Julia?
Sociopath isn't a diagnosis, I suppose antisocial is though.
@@j.kaimori3848 sociopath is not a diagnosis, antisocial personality disorder is and it used to be referred to as sociopathy
@@juliajumame Nobody are worried about a stigma against psycho-sociopaths. Quite the opposite.
@@alsoellie2299 Excellent joke. You clearly know nothing about sociopaths. There's no "help". The more "help" and attention they get, the more adapt they become to exploit others.
"They haven't gone into online shopping yet"
Facebook marketplace: am i a joke to you?
Marketplace might be the best thing FB has done! Just so many uninformed sellers selling well below value!
Not just the boomers mate. An 18 year old I work with has been saying some of this shit. World is f’cked
I regard people (even young people) who are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic or overly fascinated with obscene wealth or extraneous violence as people who suffer from "Boomer-brain".
I came for the boomer dunking, and stayed for the Komm susser tod piano instrumental 😂 I remember my nan telling me how her grandma thought she was spoiled for having a refridgerator and a radio and running hot water. My nan used my old iPhone until she passed and downloaded more movies that I did lol. Enjoying modcons doesn’t mean we “have it easy” it means we’re going in the right direction.
great video, as always. so glad thought slime shouted you out that one time.
Older millennial here. I've had to sit my mother down and very patiently and calmly show her how Memes aren't facts. FB posts are almost always fake or misleading and FB is overall just garbage. It worked, she doesn't use FB near as much anymore and has a healthy skepticism for it. I know my experience isn't typical but I just wanted to point out it can be done.
Im commenting for the algorithm because this video was well said and needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Thank you for making this.
I just want to point out how good your background music choices are in every single one of your videos!
just commenting for the alligator rhythm, love your analysis as always!! you do actually show a lot of empathy for boomers, and that's really nice to see ^-^ thanks for the video!!
Does Facebook Marketplace not exist in America?
I can't have been hallucinating that particular feature being pushed on me relentlessly for months, so they are definitly opening the door for shopping.
It exists. My guess is that he was look
looking for a more direct comparison to Amazon rather than Craigslist.
eyyyyy, neon genesis music in da background
im not the only one
It really is frustrating, specially when it's someone you used to look up to. The pigeon analogy is perfect.
The irony is not lost on me that I was spoon-fed a link to your channel by the algorithm. But I really did like the video, thanks.
It is inaccurate scientifically and ableist to label groups of people "sociopaths" based on social behavior. I would encourage you to look into why disability activists discourage that behavior.
Apart from that cricitism that I mean in good faith out of respect for you, I really found this video very insightful and well done. Thanks.
Dude, Take my support! Amazing work. So proud
It's really sad seeing much of my family get wrapped up in the fear mongering they all find on Facebook. Grandma's emails used to always be positive stuff like gardening. Now every time there will be someone in the family spreading doom and gloom over a shocking story they shared on Facebook and hearing my grandma relay that (false) info with sadness each time is very depressing. I've tried writing back to her to politely explain that some stories that she receives have actually been debunked but I don't know how receptive she is
The exact people who told you not to believe what you hear on the internet rr hearing literally everything they hear on the internet
As a Gen Xer, I have been absolutely delighted by how many ways there now are to avoid human contact.
Ahhhhh gen x are misanthropes with dark humour haha
My dad consumes a lot of conspiracies it’s all he ever talks about half the time and debates relatives, it’s like my father can’t have a normal conversation anymore without it becoming a debate
This is stuff I've been disturbed about for a while now. Thank you for treating this subject so compassionately. I too know boomers like this and the ones who aren't like this. I love them both. We all need love.
This is my parents. Especially my mom. I feel like they need a detox from Fox News and Facebook because of how agressive they get towards people who don't agree with them. My dad is straight up manipulative whenever we talk politics, also insults me, calling me a "dum liberal gen z snowflake" whenever I even suggest that their conspiracies sound like misinformation. Idk tho, I used to be like that, so if I can go from radical right wing homophobic racist to a normal person maybe there's hope for them too?
GodDAMN, that editing! It keeps on improving, great job!
Thanks ;)
@@asperafilms The intro with the angry emojis and metal music is just epic. I rewinded it like four times. :D
@@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken Cool! The music is Doom's "Rip&Tear" if you want to listen to the whole thing!
I remember when I thought it was so cool that I could talk on the phone and be on the net at the same time. That was in ‘04. I’m 31 now.
Amazing username.
Lmao Bakamitai as a background track. Perfect for this vid and topic.
This reminds me of the time when why was discussing same-sex marriage with my uncle. He vehemently opposed on the basis that "they can't have children". He's been married for years with an infertile woman... I always saw this scenario being played online on hypothetical discussions, but I honestly never expected to be part of it.
I just hope that my dad doesn't get radicalized. He's just got a phone recently and next year's is going to be his first presidential being online. He's a hardworking man who consistently voted on labour parties, although he voted blank on last election's second term (because brazilian context), and is quite progressive for a Lutheran, but he's been liking some friend's reactionary posts on FB. To be fair, he spends a lot of time there and likes a lot of stuff (even getting temporarily suspended doing so), but it scares me a bit...
I was amused by the pigeon playing chess - the version I heard has him crapping on the board after knocking all the pieces over...
Omg.... I finally figured out how my dad got pulled into the maga dumpster fire 🔥. He doesn't have fox news, but he kept saying their BS talking points. He's not a big facebookers, but he's online now. Well, since 2013.
I really hope that millennials, and those in Gen Z such as myself will be the exact opposite of boomers when we're older. Instead of being overwhelmingly right wing, I hope that we're overwhelmingly left wing and constantly pushing for better working conditions, higher pay, etc. well after we're out of the workforce for decades to come.
This could for sure happen because we've grown up with such grim prospects, and been through multiple "once in a lifetime" recessions and are likely going to see more, and many of us are not going to be able to afford the life that our parents lived. Boomers grew up in the exact opposite circumstances.
The epoch times ad in the middle of your video was perfectly integrated.
It's difficult to talk to some of these people who have this as a hobby. Its their pass time to fill their heads with this dangerous information and defend it. It makes them feel good to defend it and aren't listening to you when you talk to them but just trying to figure out how to counter you in every way, even when they're wrong they think they're right and they don't want to change. They will. Not. Change.
Actually Facebook does have a Facebook "Marketplace" which is like Craigslist but Facebook.
I was looking for another channel as engaging as Thought Slime, Renegade Cut, and Philosophy Tube, but with it's own flair, and I found it. Hard subscribe. Keep it up!
I really wish I could talk to my dad about where he's getting his information, but the last time we came into conflict, he threatened to kick me out and blamed me for believing the threat afterwards. There's not much that you can do when you worry that broaching a subject could put you in danger.
Hope other people have more luck with this than me.
"Then blamed me for believing the threat..." that's pretty abusive of him, my dude