If I wrote aot, I would have everyone except for Armin and Mikasa die in the final battle. It would end with Armin and Mikasa returning to paradise, heartbroken at the friends they lost, but happy that they are safe. then 20 years later, Armin is now a general preparing and training an army for war, now that the remaining nations are retaliating
Bruh, like Armin had s much plot armor he should be dead, he was burnt and he fell 50 meters from the sky, and was able to cough, after that, that is lazy writing, and stupid, armin sucks, he didn't deserve the serum, Erwin did
Would have made sense if he was doing this only for his own selfish reason of being free and survive, along with his Island. But no he was doing this only for some of his "friends"? That's so cheap bruh
@@rickchakraborty2087 ew no then his antis would just bandwagon with a whole “he’s selfish” narrative. he should’ve just done it bc his race was in danger like a normal person
Isayama is a genius. All along, he's fooled us into thinking Attack on Titan takes place in its own universe; in reality, everything is just a reskin of the naruto universe. His mind is beyond our comprehension
He's a liar and a hypocrite. He's been lying to people to get famous and good public relations, but he was and is actually contracted with greedy corporation.
The real reason is that Chapter 130 and 131 were supposed to show, that while Eren cares about his friends, he is still willing to sacrifice them to achieve his freedom, and how his wish of having them live long lives and being free can't be achieved both. Notice how a bird is flying towards the light, with the panel of his friends being in the dark? Yeah, that's obvious foreshadowing. Not to mention the "they will live long after I'm gone", with there being a panel of Historia. And right after she asks him about what he thinks about her having a child, you have the panels where the cuts his own leg off and stabs his eye out. And when Zeke talked about love, Eren thought about Historia. I'm sorry for getting carried away, but it's so fucking clear, at least to me, that Eren was retconned hardcore.
I strongly disagree that Eren values "freedom" over his friends lives. Its more that they came in conflict and he couldn't secure the two of them at the same time
@@lermadaniel do you have any other explaination , even zeke noticed that eren wasn't concentrated with what he was saying so he used the "so?"after the flashback with historia. If he wasn't thinking about that moment why would it be there lmao ???
@ra al what? Bruh this has to be a troll. Anyone can complete a story with any bs. If it doesn’t make sense or align with the story it’s random nonsense. It it contradicts and retcons characters making story lose its flavor and themes it’s nonsense. There’s been some but this one was on another leve it even contradict the author himself not on Ou the story. Most people don’t like being fed bs especially something that was set up. It’s not like the ending was hard to do. He changed it for whatever reason to make a sequel hint. Idk how much they payed him. I just hope it’s worth his self respect and dignity. It’s not like he was poor he made lots of money. Kodansha just wanted more . They were greedy as usual milking things dry till it becomes sht
@ra al it doesn’t even complete the story, it just leaves it off with paradis doomed. And it also retcons everything in the series and ruined almost every character in it
@@twelvethrower24 yes! Nobody seems to understand the genius of isayama! He was setting up a polygamous relationship with naruto hinata and eren the whole time! #thankyouisayama!
Thank you his friends having happy futures was a desire but not his main priority otherwise he would have tried to keep them out of danger but he almost got them killed like 5 times during the timeskip
Paradis even if eren killed the whole world would suffer from many civil wars and oppression . Yeagarists , Royalty oppressed people inside the walls for centuries . Historia is just a tool to the yeagarists now what good would happen to this poor island people . Destruction chaos death and oppression. Chad eren was the epitome of a man who believes in freedom an absolute hypocrite
@@koui4449 " sigh" once again you people miss the entire point eren wanted to prevent paridis from being eradicated eren was not trying to create world peace the idea that civil war would break out is nothing but an assumption based on nothing the majority of the people of paridis were Yeargerests and they literally control the government there oppression was to none eldians not there own people there radical beliefs would die out once the rest of the world was destroyed since that's the whole reason they even existed at all and hypocritically let's say some kind of civil war broke out so what? Its better then being completely eradicated What part of this do you people not understand ? At the vary least paridis would still have a potential future regardless and that's what's actually important
@@thatoneblackdude3333 human nature create chaos and war believing that people in a semi nationalistic fascists society wouldn't ended up in civil war is just either a utopia either a great misconception of human nature
@@koui4449 u r trying too hard to justify Eren's actions, it's not that deep, he simply wanted the rest of the world to not wipe out his Island and his people
Eren won't put his friends above the greater interest of Eldia, he knows exactly that freedom doesn't come cheap and sacrifices need to be made, he sacrificed Armin without a second though in his battle against Bertholdt, and when Historia asked him about his intentions to kill Reiner and Bertholdt, Eren answered that he had to kill them for standing in his way, in 123 we see Eren abandoning his friends after their useless talk no justo plan failed horribly, later he called Armin a complete useless having no real solutions to save Paradise, deep in his mind he knows that his friends are completely incompetent, not to mention that the story was preparing to ship Historia and Eren together so Eren won't value his friends more than his lover and child, Eren knows that his nation, lover and child are more important than his incompetent friends so he later imprisoned and hurt them, it makes perfect sense that he kills them for standing in his way just like what he did with Bertholdt, only a clown would endanger his entire nation so his useless few friends could live a happy long live as some fans say to justify the trash additional extra pages.
@@leonardomatos6381 who said Eren doesn't like his friends? Of course he does. But does that mean he would hesitate to kill them if they try to stop him from achieving his selfish desire of freedom? No. Why? Eren has ALWAYS been like this ever since the day he was born. He even said "if anyone tries to take away my freedom, I won't hesitate to take theirs". This has always been the character of our protagonist, a selfish guy who would do ANYTHING to get his freedom. U really think this same guy would start thinking about his friends first, instead of his own?
@@rickchakraborty2087 he would hesitate and he wouldnt kill them, he instigated them to confront him só they could kill him, he said if you take my freedom, i would take it yours, he uses mikasa's scene to show that her is part of his freedom.
@@rickchakraborty2087 he is selfish, no one denies that, but himself already give up his freedom for his friends, for armin, just put him above armin, só He can be selfish, but he loves his friends, especially mikasa and armin, between them, he chose his friends
honestly if there are ppl who still defend this ending it's because they're closing their eyes to the truth, it doesn't matter how much we try to show how inconsistent this ending is at this point
Dude it’s delusional fan boys there’s some in every fandom. No self respect or common sense. There’s always some . It doesn’t matter how much logic you use or evidence.. it doesn’t matter if you have 10000000000000 true objective evidence as long as they can come up with one tiny thing that doesn’t make any sense that get destroyed like the rest, they will still be stuck unable to progress. It will result in them having cognitive dissonance and using mental gymnastic and symbolisms or just invent things without any supporting factors. It’s something to be studied. Idk if they are disconnected to reality or reject any sort of reality. Honestly it’s fascinating not in a good way. It prevent progress or learning to a certain degree. Idk if it’s by age or mental. At some point I am curious of how do they do that to themselves. When logic try to creep in do their feelings over power it. Do they reject it in their brains ? I balance both but I value logic more. No matter how much I love a show
i still can’t get over the it was all an act ass pull his inner monologue literally had him saying he’ll kill all and that he will achieve freedom no matter what this could’ve been a classic story but Isayama sold for a series
Well I guess u didn't notice. Eren never said anything doing rumbling...if you're talking about chapter 130, that line...was a juxtaposition of his line he actually said in chapter 2. Theres that panel right next to it. That dialogue starts with the chapter 2 or 3 panel...because that's where it was originally said and then that dialogue bleeds on to the chapter 130 present page....meaning to show that's where his choice has led him to do. He wanted to kill all those 'animals'....that choice one after the other...led him to kill all the innocents and not animals. It isn't supposed to be badass. It's tragic, sad just like eren in those moments. He was heartbroken during the entire rumbling... was regretting it as he did. Eren has no dialogue in the entire rumbling arc except the time he told his friends that they'll have to kill him.
@@TheAssassinsfan2234 still doesn't change what I was saying. He didn't talk to ramzi during rumbling....he talked to ramzi after he exited that parliament thingy...that part of chapter 131 where him talking to ramzi was shown was a flashback to the time they visited the outer world(Ch 123) . He never said to ramzi about 'killing all those animals'. Eren has only said that once in the entire story- chapter 3 as a kid. So yeah. My point still stands.
@@shivampachauri7551 There's not one sentence in your comment that makes sense. Why would he tell Ramzi about killing those animals? What are you stupid? That was to Floch! Why do you think Eren would ever tell Ramzi "I'm going to kill you you animal!" 131 Is Eren's inner monologue with snippets of him apologizing to Ramzi, Eren say's I'm going to kill them all. And thinks about the annihilation of the world at his hands.
Woow this ending is so deep man it’s like real life dude it’s so realistic and the message is that trying to accomplish your goals for an entire story will get you nowhere Isayama is a genius he’s showing us that conflicts will never end as if we didn’t already know that
He just shit on AoT in order to create a door for the sequel. He'll milk the money. As long as he gets that he doesn't give a shit about anything else. Quality died, only quantity matters now. He destroyed everything and shit on his majority fanbase for money grabbing.
@@foxymoon7860 bro how are u so overconfidents theres gonna be a sequel ? maybe isayama wanted to show that history repeats itself a . say whatever u want but aot is still gonna be a masterpiece regardless the ending.
@@arnabmazumdar3915 shit ending so definitely not a masterpiece, seasons 1 and 2 weren't that good. I would say S3P2 is a masterpiece, but overall AoT is like a 8/10 or 9/10
It's a big misconception in the fandom that eren only cares about his friends, that's not true, eren risked his life as a child and killed three adults to save mikasa who was a stranger to him back then, she was not his friend and he didn't know her and yet he did all that for her. Eren always cared mainly about seeking freedom and taking the lives of thoses who oppose his people's freedom not just his friends freedom. So him only doing his for his friends it's just a bad justification that some fans use to justify this bad ending. Another misconception that some fans use to justify eren stoping the rumbling at 80%, is that conflict and peace can never be achieved as long as there are humans. This argument doesn't make sense because eren never cared about creating everlasting peace or a world whitout conflict and hatred that was never his purpose, Eren cared about the freedom of paradis from outside world's discrimination, and if he had wiped out everyone outside paradis then paradis would no longer be the center of hatred in the world and will be free from the world's oppression this is a simple fact nothing to debate here. And this is exactly why wiping out 80% instead of everyone doesn't make any sense period. One last thing I want to add hat didn't make sense at all is how the titan powers curse was lifted, that whole mikasa was the chosen one and that yimir was waiting for her to show her that she too can let go of love is just last minute garbage retconing, we know that yimir was waiting for eren to free her and he was the first one that did that in chapter 122 but i guess all that doesn't make sense anymore. Isayama really should have came up with a better way to lift the titan powers from eldians rather than the mess we got.
Yah but what stopped eren rumbling were his friends He balived that armin would have made peace whit the world Thing that appened maybe not for forever bht still
@@th3_ph4ntomreborn31 that's the last thing u would have expected from Eren. How did he even think Armin would actually be able to make peace with the world? He knew very well that's impossible, isn't that the reason why he even started the rumbling?
@@th3_ph4ntomreborn31 It was eren who let his friends stop him and he stopped the rumbling at 80%. Which makes no sense, because for the rumbling to work in the best interest of paradis in both the short and the long term, it has to be used to wipe out everyone not just 80%.
With this terrible ending, aot was really a massive waste of time for me. Shouldn't have invested all these years and money into it. The journey was really NOT worth it.
People cope by saying at least they enjoyed the journey, so what if the ending is bad, but that's the thing. The whole story was 9.5 or even 10/10, before the ending came that is. Now the whole story seems pointless. The entire journey was meaningless. NOTHING was achieved. So many people died and gave their hearts for nothing. Characters were assassinated, u can't even re-watch certain scenes seriously anymore, u can't take some characters seriously anymore. AoT lost it's rewatchable value and it's just sad.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Agreed! Ending can make or break any story, it's one of the major deciding factors in allowing us to separate the good stories from the badly written ones. Aot was supposed to set a precedent for the anime medium and genre, it was expected to surpass generic shounen ending and claim its place as a masterpiece. The fact that the ending retconned all of its themes, characters, events etc. makes us feel betrayed. There's nothing satisfying about this ending and it feels like I learnt nothing from this story. I feel that there was no point to it all since isayama left us with a message of how 'cycle of hatred continues' which is so contradictory to the original message of breaking the cycle of hatred he was preaching in the story for years.
Kruger and Grisha's entire lives were devoted to freeing Eldians, and Eren was left with the ultimate task of accomplishing it. This was also his goal for his entire life before he even knew he was Eldian, to be free. And ppl REALLY think Eren just "hmmm scrap that. Actually, i'm gonna kill my mom, dad, brother, 80% of humanity, and myself so some of my friends can die of old age😎"
Several generations of attack titan shifters threw their lives away because ultimately, the last one was gonna waste all of that power and knowledge so his friends could be old. Awesome🤡 That also goes for the thousands of soldiers who died hoping to secure a brighter future for their own families on paradis. The retconning is honestly impressive.
@@inminecraft8430 Literally yes. We see the results of only killing 80%, paradis gets destroyed. It's not like Eren had another way. It was kill everyone or be killed by everyone. He didn't kill everyone, so the remaining Eldians end up being killed by everyone. I'm not just pro-genocide lmao, it's just the logical ending. I'm sure nobody WANTED this to happen, but Eren's philosophy is that the end justifies the means. So in order to maintain consistency, he should have done a full rumbling. I'm sure Kruger and Grisha, before the retcon, would have not liked it either, but would have accepted it as the only way. Because that was unfortunately the only way Eldians could be free.
@@inminecraft8430 wdym "Eren wanted to do the rumbling". HE HAD NO CHOICE. If he just wanted to do the rumbling, why did he look for other alternatives during the time skip? And he specifically said that he is doing this to end the cycle of hatred. It's not that he couldn't finish it, he wouldn't since he let his incompetent friends live long lives.
Great vid Bro. 139 apologists took power of Friendship to the next level. I Guess Killing 80% of the fucking world for a few friends you’ve known for 5-10 years makes sense but committing genocide for the nation that he was born in is dumb😂😂. And not to mention Eren didn’t even know if his friends would survive the rumbling.
i thought ending defenders defend it because they’re glad that he got killed for doing what he did and only got reincarnated as a bird not bc they’re happy that he did 80%
Chapter 139 :eren 4 of his friends who literally killed him is worth saving over paridise whole nation. Erens friends are more then happy to kill him when they know his way is the only way to save them but eren can’t kill his friends to protect his ppl makes sense 🤦♂️
Not only did he tell every Eldian in paths that he was going to kill everyone outside the Island for Pardis. But he also told Ramzi, that everything he is going to do is for Paradis. Are people saying that he lied to that little boy for shits and giggles? And that 80% of the world, including Ramzi, died so that 5/6 of his friends could live out their lives? That shit don’t add up lol
Erens goal was freedom and saving paridise above all and not sacrificing historia . Isn’t eren the one who said in chapter 139 that even if they didn’t stop him he would have destroyed the whole world and he doesn’t even know if his friends will survive. So much for doing this only for his friends. Didn’t he let Sasha and hanji die too
@@leonardomatos6381 wrong his wish was to save his friends it was in conflict with his goal Saving paridise and gaining his freedom for him and his people . U could see as he sacrificed hange levi Floch and sasha. He almost got mikisa armin killed 2x even Jean pointed it out saying eren almost got u killed with the Zachary bomb and calling them to help in his attack on Liberio. So eren was willing to kill his friends in order to save paridise. Pre retcon ofc
Yesss, thank you. I don't know why ending defenders keep forgeting that Eren literally said it himself that he didn't know whether will his friends survive the Rumbling or not. The fact that they survived and lived a long life was nothing more than pure luck (will I say "luck" but honestly it waa just Isayama not wanting to hurt the ending defenders than he already did).
Don’t ever disrespect my man Naruto like that. That guy never sacrificed his ideals unlike some MC’s. Eren is more like the Obito who goes against everything he’s worked for just because he had a moment of clarity
@@saintitchief Your content is pretty well made and your analysis is spot on. Once you're done with AOT you should also do this for other series like perhaps Vinland Saga, Berserk, Vagabond, JJK, etc. I know Bleach is about to come back soon as well if you're interested.
Friends: Killing millions of people is horrible and bad and we want to stop it by all means! Eren: But I did it for you. Friends: OMG Eren what a man you are awesome long and happy lives ahead never mind we have to live with the knowledge all those people including children and babies were slaugther so the four of us could keep living a little longer.
The paths scene in chapter 123 is part of the Walmart Lelouch plan, hence he was acting. He's been trying so hard to make the scouts his enemies (table scene and tons of other actions) after he kissed Historia's hand. The Eren we used to like was nothing more than a facade.
It all boils down to eren killing his father, mother, brother and 80% of the world for his friends whom he only knew for a couple of years lmfao despite how deep and unique his character was take a look at what eren has been reduced to, he's not even Mid at this point he's literally the biggest clown of anime MCs right now
They still lived full lives. Eren always wanted to do the the 100% rumbling but realized he would not complete it because of his future memories. So he made his actual plan instead
My problem with chaper 139 itself is how Eren's character arc ended and his "goal" that he accomplished at the end, we got Eren's inner thoughts way before chapter 139 and it showed us his determination to be free at all costs. It was obvious that Eren still cared for his friends but to suddenly love Mikasa out of NOWHERE when he's about to die makes no sense whatsoever, Eren has been near death COUNTLESS times and not ONCE has he thought about how we wanted to be there for mikasa in the middle of it all. Because of the sudden 180 in Eren's character during 139 many moments throughout the manga makes no sense or has little to no value anymore, things like "i was born into this world", "that scenery" , the ymir scene in the paths and so on. there was no way paradi could survive even with 80 percent of the world wiped out and the other 20 percent would be furious with paradi because of what Eren did. chapter 139 also showed paradi about to go to war even when they're still seriously underdeveloped. Eren ultimately accomplished nothing at the end because he suddenly decided to go back on his INNER THOUGHTS AND BELEIFS. It pissed me off when random niggas would say "you didn't understand the story" when I've been reading attack on titan since season 1 first aired.
Regardless of the stories intention, I think we can all agree Kishimoto has made another masterpiece. First Naruto, now attack on titan i really enjoyed his depiction of the edo tensei shift- i mean ancient titan shifters
aot final arc is simalar to naruto war arc. kaguya and ymir. neji and sasha died. 9 reanimated jinchurikies- previous 9 shape shifter titan. naruto and armin talk-no-jutsu obito and zeke. founding titan- ten tails forms alliances to fight two man( obito and madara, zeke and eren)
Chief, I like these types of videos. You go calmly forward and analyze in a good and strategic manner. The video and your message comes forth much better than when going wild and being all over the place.
Ive watched a few of your videos bro after a month of feeling like I was alone thinking the ending was hot garbage and i must say good job. These videos are great, ur personality is cool AND they arent like long videos (apart from ur initial breakdown). They cut to the point real quick and give nothing but facts which I appreciate. Keeping them short is cool because it means showing it to be people who disliked the ending is easier as well. as i said, great job bro, you earned urself a sub
If you think like this his main goal was to protect the people of paradise right so if imagine allianz got way to much an hindrance to eren like if he would've killed him like it still be a controversial writing like cause his friends are the people of paradis too so if he killed them that means he killed the people of paradis in a way this show will never had an good ending TBH all the complexity of this show got isayama
Did u forget the line Eren said "If someone tries to take my freedom, I won't hesitate to take theirs" he never said if his friends come to stop him he might hesitate did he? That's because he was so DETERMINED to achieve his selfish desire of freedom he wouldn't hesitate to even kill his friends if they come to stop him. He ALWAYS prioritised his freedom, yes he also wanted to save his Island people, and his friends were also people from Paradis, but it's his OWN friends who were trying to stop him from achieving his goal of saving Paradis and gaining freedom right?
@@rickchakraborty2087 yes indeed I know but your ain't getting the point here like if he was this focused how he loose he was basically a god million upon million collosal Titan army and yet he loose
@@surajkarki3511 that's EXACTLY why chapter 139 doesn't make any sense. Do u get now why we keep saying the chapter retcons so many things and themes and character motivations? There's just no way Eren could lose, the man had powers almost close to the level of a God, yet they make him loose? That's bs. 139 is bs. Eren winning was exactly what would have made sense and what should have actually happened. 100% rumbling made perfect sense and SHOULD have happened.
@@rickchakraborty2087 that's what I'm saying when you introduced to many shit that you don't even know how you gonna close it It leads to shit he can give decent ending and can also open stuff to sequal but isayama got bad in his own stuff that's one of my 👉
Just realize in this ending eren didn’t even take off the curse. Armin probably died like few years after. Reiner and Annie and falco too. Bruh lol. Long lives wasn’t his goal. Also original ending would of had curses ended due to Ymir wanting a second chance and reincarnating or wanting eldians free after eren freed her. But then wouldn’t make money for a sequel or milk it dry eh
@@alexvaughan1013 oh yeah I remember seeing them. Either that’s bs or I clan make up this excuse . So he took the powers away from them and just went in the tree. That would be the only logical answer. Is the parasite will with the head? Didn’t the parasite leave his body? If it’s not the reason why even have the tree growing. Eren replace Ymir? Also did Ymir travel back and not save the king? If that’s so then oh boy. Unless she’s day dreaming of life if she didn’t protect him but she could of done that long time ago. She had thousands of years.. I realize didn’t see them in the last panels extra pages. Did they get assassinated? All we saw was jean and mikasa and their family generation. I’m curious. So armin either died or wasted his time talking because the only reason it appears the nations waited is invention better weapons to bomb paradise
Some people: eren's goal was to make his friends live long lives Eren chapter 139: Even dragging my precious comrades into the war I wasn't sure they were going to survive I honestly don't see how people can see this, at one point sure he cared about that but his goals evolved
If Eren saw Sasha dying in the Liberio attack, why didn't he shack her up with Nicco-san? Then, she'd be in a happy relationship and quit being a soldier.
Good video definitely agree, Eren’s plan FAILED and lost his friends and home because he was manipulated by Ymir and eren and didn’t believe in self to help his people and paradise also he did not think this mess thru and didn’t explore more options. The thing I point out not everyone in the world didn’t wanted them dead there was also hizaru which could’ve helped paradise by selling their resources and getting technologically caught up. I’m also wondering if hizaru had more allies so that way paradise can get more help, because NOT everyone in the world likes Marley. Can you make a theory video on how Eren can save his people and his home?
Yes I'll make a video of how the ending could have been written to come to all the same conclusions but still be in line with the story's themes and characters.
I've always told y'all AOT homies that it had those Naruto vibes from the get go.I mean c'mon the part where Eren bit his wrist reminded me of Naruto when he but his thumb
I always thought that line about him wanting his friends to live long lives was meant to be tragically ironic in the end. Eren wants his friends to live long lives but he ends up being the one who causes their deaths.
Best answer What if Eren just proclaimed his Speech to the Titans of the WORLD and never arrived anywhere?, Everyone safe and time Stops everyone is satisfied ,the author and fans Trying to give an ending is really disappointing and that is exact what happened
U pick the best background music for your videos they all fit and wide variety In 1 video its kingdom hearts in another I heard some mary j or alicia keys i cant remember
'Nother plot hole. 2,000 years of Attack Titans, and not one of them fought for Eldia's freedom until now! Not even in the 300 years Marley subjugated Eldians!
4:13 To get Zeke back from Liberio to Paradis, and kill the main officials in charge of Marley's military (Gen. Calvi being the most important one), thus dealing a massive blow to their army, which proved useful, since in their later desperate invasion to Paradis, they had very limited numbers and resources which led to their failure.
Him wanting his friends to live long live is a wish not a goal. That’s why understanding words and context and situations is important when reading a story. It was to introduce conflict of reality vs wish. That’s why he hoped not wanting to make sure of it because he doesn’t know. It’s like saying “I hope I get the job” or “I wish this happened instead of that”. It is just unknown chance. Like you said internal conflict with reality. He knew his friends would have to die for him to achieve his goal. Also like he said in chap139 which contradict 80% being a plan and trying to turn a wish into a goal theory is wrong. He said he would of destroyed everything anyways. So he was stop due to retcon and change in the story by isayama. It’s more of a well....wish/desire/want. But there is no garbage it will happen. Definitions and differences between wish/want/desire and goals. Hope this helps people. Also the video is correct. : Wishes are not goals. They can be pleasant diversions and may give temporary relief from the demands of the real world. But wishes are not calls to action, since the person doing the wishing, knows she is dreaming and that the dream is not to be taken seriously. Difference Between Goals and Wishes What is a wish? The dictionary defines a wish as: to want; desire; to long for. Goals on the other hand are defined as: the result or achievement toward which effort is directed. The difference is profound not only in semantics, but also in how each can shape your thought process, your actions (or lack of), and ultimately, your life. wish verb Save Word To save this word, you'll need to log in. Log In \ ˈwish \ wished; wishing; wishes Definition of wish (Entry 1 of 2) transitive verb 1 : to have a desire for (something, such as something unattainable) wished he could live his life over 2 : to give expression to as a wish : BID wish them good night 3a : to give form to (a wish) b : to express a wish for c : to request in the form of a wish : ORDER d : to desire (a person or thing) to be as specified While goals create a vision with a wide range, objectives focus on the individual, achievable outcomes. Objectives are the concrete deliverables that make the goal come to life. Progress towards them helps measure advancement to reaching the larger end goal. Definition of goal 1 : the end toward which effort is directed : AIM The goal is high-speed rail travel. Other words for goals are : Some common synonyms of goal are aim, design, end, intention, intent, objective, object, and purpose. Basically it was eren’s hppe and wish that they live long lives not his goal. Wish is wanting something that might not happen or favorable outcome but not sure. Definitions said it but that’s my take from it in my own words.
Simply put, Eren wished for his friends to live long lives because they're also part of the nation of Paradis. Protecting Paradis meant protecting Armin and Mikasa as well as complete strangers living in Wall Sina. However, there are two factors that made this secondary objective impossible to be attained: 1. Outside circumstances. It was beyond Eren's control that Gabi was able to sneak into the airship and shoot Sasha, especially considering that the Survey Corps started celebrating too early and let their guard down. Connie blaming Eren for Sasha's death showed an utter lack of responsibility on his part and a lack of understanding of the big picture. 2. The free will and decisions of his friends. Yes Eren *wishes* for all of his friends to live, but the moment that they teamed up with the Warriors to stop him meant that his wish is now opposed to his greater objective of securing Paradis' freedom. By making the choice to try to kill Eren, the others knew damn well that they're likely to die by the Rumbling. These two reasons therefore don't make Eren hypocritical or inconsistent with his grand goal of saving Paradis and getting freedom, as he had respected the free choice of his friends.
my english is poor but i hope you understand what im trying to say I think eren characters is especially on 139 it same like lord acton say "power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupt absolutely" from the start it was his nature to killing people or i can say the one who treathening his "freedom", maybe the first time this desire come was when he killed mikasa kidnapper (but that's self defense bro) i don't think that a normal children can kill an adult without feeling regret of taking someone life but you can ignore this one because maybe it just a self defense he maybe feeling regret after that, after that You can see this desire when he against annie for the last time he's drowning in ecstasy when he rip and tear annie titans while saying "im gonna kill every last one of them, im gonna destroy this world" and in the 131 when he say freedom while he's brutally massacred people in the rumbling, eren get more and more get corrupted because a power of titan shifter he have , experience from previous inheritor and the memory , and of course his desire to kill is growing up he's not satisfied with the titan he wants more Before time skip you can notice eren always justifed he's action killing titan because he was born into this world or because titan taken his freedom but in reality he just want to killing after time skip he's see a future and the past ,experience from previous inheritor and got an absolute power he's doesn't need to justified everything because he's already have a power that absolute no one can bother him anymore He's already corrupted absolutely, but the thing that kinda weird or inconsistency is he actually have sympathy and guilty feeling to others like people like halil besides his friend (well you can say this was to make humanize his character but idk it just felt weird when he actually wanted it instead like in previous chapter where he's forced by his fate to do it) but in the end idk what actually eren motivation at all even eren himself he doesn't know why but he wanted it, is it for his friend, is it for paradise or it was for his desire to massacred people but one thing i got in the last chp is eren and fritz is not so difference , one want a domination one want a just wanting to kill
Honestly the "Friendship Theory" makes the most sense to me, I feel like I'm in a small category tho.. realistically speaking could Eren really protect all his friends and seek freedom? Unless you feel he should have genocide the world.... and yes, he wanted to kill all of titans humanity etc, but he did realize that all of humanity are not bad. And Eren definitely matured since he was younger and probably decided that instead of destroying the whole world ill weakened them; to help Paradis catch up to the rest of the world and allow peace in his friends time. I mean honestly, You say wage war for 5 friends? If the whole world is after you and your family. Where is it safe to hide, but Paradis... of course he gonna wage war, they face prejudice around the world... no where to truly run or live in peace. I believe chapter 138? Its showed and alternative life where he decided not to wage war and live in peace, but was always on the run....and many more of his friends die and Paradis was conquered in 2 months. Him going to War for Paradis makes more since, if you're trying to protect 5 friends...
Eren saying that he wants to protect the people of Paradis is literally not even his primary goal. Just because he says it, it doesn't mean it's true. Eren is not being fully earnest in the scene when he addresses the subjects of Ymir. If he's not doing it for his friends, then where the hell did he suddenly become interested in protecting the island over his friends? It literally doesn't make sense if his motivations just came out of nowhere. He has always sought freedom, but it was always for himself, and throughout the story he develops into someone who cares more for the people around him. That was his whole character arc! The friendship theory didn't come out of no where, it was there from the very start. Eren's motivation to kill titans was because he felt powerless to protect his mother, and as the story unfolds, he goes from acting rashly to kill for revenge to wanting what is best for his friends. Did you not see all of the storylines in seasons 2 to 3? In the ending he says that he was trapped by his own desire to destroy the world, but this whole time he had been trying to fight himself too so that his friends would prevail in the end. I don't like the ending personally, but saying that friendship was not one of his primary motivators is just purposefully pretending that Eren was acting completely earnestly during the Marley arc onwards. If Eren is valuing his freedom over his own friends lives then he literally hasn't gone through any change whatsoever during the story. There's just no way he start out as being rage filled and seeking a "freedom" that doesn't exist, and just completely regresses all the character development he went through.
Another banger. But most people knew that. Idk why it’s brought up again. I guess desperation to say ending was good even though that’s not even the only issue lol. It’s not even about trying to prove it’s good anymore s it’s just trying the get one point after everything has been debunked. Some people just need one good point to feel good even though the other points been destroyed and this one just got destroyed in this video but before this video cause that topic came up and before no one was talking about that wish as a goal.
no, he wanted 80. he knew 80 is what the outcome would be. what he's saying here is even if he didn't know what the outcome would be he still would have done the rumbling.
2:18 Did u forget that he wanted the world to see him for the devil he is? That’s why he showed everyone in paths. The people in paradis would have a majority rallied behind eren’s cry which would later help become the basis of the military that paradis is using to defend itself
you don't think 1 million colossal titans would have accomplished the same thing? if not, that still doesn't explain why historia was there. was she going to waddle over and help them slay eren?
@@saintitchief also it doesn’t matter what other strategies could have worked. Eren saw one path that he knew couldn’t be changed so he followed it to reach what he saw in the future
she couldn’t tell by the walls being literally torn down around her? your logic is very flawed man.. just stop and think that it’s possible you may be wrong.
eren did the rumbling bc the world didn’t look like armins book. simple. the rumbling was his first choice too btw that’s why he didn’t go w zekes plan or armins bc he WANTED to do the rumbling
I agree with you about his inner conflict, but what about Kruger's memories? The "if you want to save Mikasa and Armin"? Let's pretend chapter 139 doesn't exist, for a moment. Maybe originally he saw a future when he could've achieved both saving them at least along with Paradis? Not to mention that at some point things started to revolve around the topic of the end of the world, the real Ragnarok, that unfortunately in the end was dropped along with many other themes, so things could've started going in more unexpected and outlandish directions. There were so many ways Isayama could've given a more fitting ending to the story... So many.
I believe that it would have been a case of dark irony. Think about it, Eren wanted to kill all the titans at first, but it turned out that all the titans were innocent people. The titan he hated more than anything in the world was his fathers ex wife who didn’t do anything wrong. This is dark irony, and that theme has been present since the start of the story, and would have been capitalized on by forcing Eren to make Krugers words ironic, and his own as well.
Grisha said that to Eren to motivate him when he was giving him his titan powers. Eren sent that memory to Kruger to let him motivate Grisha to take his titan powers. Am I making sense?
@@saintitchief Yeah, Grisha's ex wife eating Carla was dark irony indeed, she said she would find him, after all. And that was perfect as it was and the chapter 139 explanation/plot twist was definitely unnecessary. But your take on Kruger's memories doesn't convince me that much. I mean, those were memories. He (via Eren) was giving Grisha instructions on what to do to achieve Eren's goals and set the future he had chosen.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Yeah, this could be. It could be that he did it just to motivate himself. But then it would be the same situation as in chapter 139 with his mother.
But Kruger's memories were very vague. There's no way to know exactly what he meant, or how those memories came to be in the first place. There's also examples in the story of memories being misinterpreted, like Grisha killing the Reiss family, or "See you later, Eren". Memories have never been a "this must happen" button in the series, don't see why that should change because its the Owl's.
😂😂😂😂this friendship theory is garbage... If you are paying a price of the lives of 80percent of innocent people of the world...then the result of that should be much more not just 100 years of peace
Eren wanted to complete the rumbling and make an outside world he could explore but he saw that he wouldn’t finish it so he orchestrated his plan to have his friends kill him. Other plans may have been better but this is the path eren decided to set himself on ever since he was the future memories Him killing his friends makes no sense when he has no reason to. Even if you went with the logic of him giving his friends freedom to oppose him, just tell floch and Yeagerists to destroy the plane. An unnecessary battle with a fairly obvious conclusion where his friends die a battle they had no chance at winning is avoided. That’s why the idea of him killing his friends seems so pointless to me. It can obviously be avoided and if he allowed them to fight it’s basically a useless death sentence.
How could people support a guy who would try to murder the whole world just to save his country which only supported him to ensure their survival . They were the same who Framed him for being a Montser and the same who used him because of his powers as a weapon . Whats compelling about that shit . Forget the ending forget the whole rumbling arc . Go to the mirror and state loudly that some people only because they have the same blood with me and happens to live on the same geographical area with me deserve to live more that the other people of the world . His parents were dead so he didn't want to protect his family . His friend would die and even if he didn't know that they would fight against him it was obvious when he stated to them . So we have a guy who just want to achieve freedom for the People of his country (based on actual facts determined by luck ) without personal feelings about them as his friends and family wouldn't survive . Who also multiple times stated that he wanted to free them while he himself created the yeagarists to rule after his plan would have been finished . Congratulations fans you wanted a sympathetic nationalist to live and have a happy live while his country would be under a nationalistic fascist state #ourfreedomboyeren
I will make a video about KH3 one day. Its something I've been writing on and off for years and will probably be 2-3 hours long. Won't be for a long time though.
@@saintitchief I’d love to see it! While KH3 is definitely flawed, I will say that the Kingdom of Corona is one of if not my absolute favorite Disney worlds in the series. Walking around with Rapunzel, enjoying the atmosphere, etc. was all amazing to me. I’m really hoping it makes a return with influence from the Tangled TV show, because there’s way too much story potential to ignore. Knowing modern Nomura, it very will might be ignored though lmao
Just because eren brought every eldian to the paths dosent mean his goal changed all eren knows is his home and friends and eren gave the people of paradis 100-200 years of freedom while also giving his friends peace....The message behind attack on Titan is war won’t ever end humans are to destructible even the Yeagerist say it war won’t ever end on till everyone on earth is dead realistically if eren wanted peace everyone would have to be dead and he would have to be the last person on earth lmao but decent video I like when you give reasoning and your not just shitting on everyone else’s opinion
that was not what I said. But can you answer why he brought every eldian, including Historia who already knew his plan and could not stop him if she wanted?
Nazis never back dumbass and germany is still un pieces not nuked. War never ends... In facts yes. Wars ends al time. The real life is logical... Snk and 139 crap es stupid
Bro eren cares about paradise because his friends and people he loved live there, he wants to save paradise because of the people that are on it and because he was born there. His idea of protecting his friends never changed, Sasha didn’t die because he wanted her to die now did he? And second of all why would they have changed? What did he go through in between the train scene and the end of the story that would’ve made him not care for his friends? Eren went with the rumbling plan because he wanted to achieve his own personal freedom, not to mention armin’s plan was unrealistic and zeke’s plan was disgusting to him plus he already know what he was going to do and knew he couldn’t change it. The rumbling itself doesn’t go against him wanting his friends to live long lives, so why do you think he just stopped caring about his friends? The fear of the rumbling would just basically be the same thing as armin’s plan plus if the titan curse is lifted paradise would be destroyed whenever anyone has the balls to go to paradise and notice they aren’t any colossal anywhere, plus eren didn’t even know how lifting the titan curse even worked, he just knew that mikasa would be the one to set Ymir free. Also eren in the paths would’ve probably noticed that paradise will die eventually no matter what he does, either by themselves or the outside world, so what mattered was protecting the people he loves right now, since paradise won’t just suddenly become a utopia after he kills the entire world. You’re also misinterpreting what that eren line means imo, to me, it means that it wouldn’t have mattered if his friends stopped him or not, or if there was any reason to destroy the world, he still would’ve done it, after all he is the type of person to stab a human traffickers as a child. Don’t get me wrong the ending is shit I just think a lot of what you’re saying in this video is false.
Q: Sasha didn't die because he wanted her to die jowls did he? Of course he never wanted Sasha to die but in order to ultimately achieve his goals of liberating the island from the threat of genocide. he had to make some surprise attack cause if you dont remember Marley was gathering the world forces to plan an attack on Paradis. Unfortunately his friends happen to be soldiers. No soldier wants his comrades to die but to reach a goal bodies need to drop. Q: Why would his goal of protecting his friends change? None of the people who disliked the ending wanted his character to change but it ultimately did in the last chapter. That's the change we were talking about. He chose to pause the rumbling right at the end just because his friends got close which lead to their home being destroyed later. When Eren wants something done he does it but that last minute switch at the end came outta no where you can't deny that. Q: what experience from train to end of story would've made him not care about them? Once again it's not that Eren doesn't care about his friends. The mission of securing the Island's future is just more important of a mission that was dropped at the end to prop his friends up to talk no jutsu the survivors of the genocide. Q: the rumbling didn't go against caring for his friend why do you think so? It doesn't up until his friends are actively there trying to stop him. At that point they made their decision and they are fine dying for that mission to save the world. Plus I think that would've hit harder. Eren destroying the world for his friends that he ultimately had to kill while fulfilling his mission. Fear of the Rumbling would still be there and it'd be a while before anyone comes over but like Saint said their economies would be in shambles and they definitely wouldn't be able to build a military as strong for at least 20 years. Still a bad plan but it's doable I GUESS. Maybe Eren did see the destruction of Paradis but he never stated as such. As for that line of "even if I wasn't aware of how this would all end with you guys stopping me. I still would have reduced everything in this world to dust" I think a lot of us have a different interpretation of that line. For me it was Eren saying that he would've always destroyed the world because the world would have always tried to destroy him. He's not the type to just sit back and let things happen. If he can change it he will. I hoped I helped to answer some things. At least to the best of my abilities. If not just call me Isayama cause I dont know how to write lol
the reality even in Naruto Hashirma killed Madara because he was standing on his way. Itachi killed his whole clan just coz they were standing on his way. Naruto cant kill people coz he is mc so young children dont follow him. Obito killed his sense and his wife and almost killed Naruto to. Isayame just wanted to give us a L for all of us.
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Good to know 😌
7:27 But naruto is also more than friendship
it is, but friendship was a major plot point from the beginning of that story
I guess you not gonna stop until all your enemies are convinced this had a trash ending😁.move foward always forward lol
Let's be honest, those "friends" only survived because of plot armour. There's just no way none of them died
If Falco hadn't learned to fly somehow they all woulda been fucked and died
Well, Hange did die, but there is absolutely no way the others didn’t (Connie and Jean should of died)
If I wrote aot, I would have everyone except for Armin and Mikasa die in the final battle. It would end with Armin and Mikasa returning to paradise, heartbroken at the friends they lost, but happy that they are safe. then 20 years later, Armin is now a general preparing and training an army for war, now that the remaining nations are retaliating
Bruh, like Armin had s much plot armor he should be dead, he was burnt and he fell 50 meters from the sky, and was able to cough, after that, that is lazy writing, and stupid, armin sucks, he didn't deserve the serum, Erwin did
@@conneraldeqn9751 it keep armin alive and kill mikasa
The dude killing billions for 4 idiots made me so mad
Would have made sense if he was doing this only for his own selfish reason of being free and survive, along with his Island. But no he was doing this only for some of his "friends"? That's so cheap bruh
@@rickchakraborty2087 ew no then his antis would just bandwagon with a whole “he’s selfish” narrative. he should’ve just done it bc his race was in danger like a normal person
“4 idiots” LMAOOOO
#freeconnie
he did it for himself and his race, they were just a small factor
Isayama is a genius. All along, he's fooled us into thinking Attack on Titan takes place in its own universe; in reality, everything is just a reskin of the naruto universe. His mind is beyond our comprehension
He's a liar and a hypocrite. He's been lying to people to get famous and good public relations, but he was and is actually contracted with greedy corporation.
dattebayo
@@Sam-sv4yy umm it was sarcasm
@@Sam-sv4yy money comes first 💸💸
Isyama sell peanut in the onsen better that write story with sum bitch peanut boy eren
Eren, 4 of your friends is not worth 80% of humanity
they didn't even trust him fk them
Eren a f island with people who only worship and use you for their survival don't deserve for you to massacre the 80% of worlds population
Those "friends" even betrayed him lmao
@@koui4449 bruh
@HAMID ALGHURABI your mother or 1milion of people (5% them hate you and try to kill you the others are just either ignorant or innocent)
The real reason is that Chapter 130 and 131 were supposed to show, that while Eren cares about his friends, he is still willing to sacrifice them to achieve his freedom, and how his wish of having them live long lives and being free can't be achieved both.
Notice how a bird is flying towards the light, with the panel of his friends being in the dark? Yeah, that's obvious foreshadowing. Not to mention the "they will live long after I'm gone", with there being a panel of Historia. And right after she asks him about what he thinks about her having a child, you have the panels where the cuts his own leg off and stabs his eye out. And when Zeke talked about love, Eren thought about Historia.
I'm sorry for getting carried away, but it's so fucking clear, at least to me, that Eren was retconned hardcore.
I strongly disagree that Eren values "freedom" over his friends lives. Its more that they came in conflict and he couldn't secure the two of them at the same time
This man was all about his freedom "if someone takes my freedom i won't hesitate to take there's"(i probably butchered that )sorry for bad english
@@mohamedaboulgharat6943 THIS. Eren never said "But if they are my friends I might hesitate"
I don’t think that’s supposed to show him thinking about Historia when Zeke asks him about Mikasa’s love.
@@lermadaniel do you have any other explaination , even zeke noticed that eren wasn't concentrated with what he was saying so he used the "so?"after the flashback with historia. If he wasn't thinking about that moment why would it be there lmao ???
Armin uzumaki and eren uchiha is my kino medicine
naruto is honestly a better character than armin after chap 139
@@crayxtdc7357 he’s always been better written tbh
@@crayxtdc7357 at least Naruto can beat some ass
@@senretsu6241 yeah I liked naruto but I hate to much around naruto
I found this quote on reddit "AoT story will be remembered for all the wrong reason" and holy shit did that guy is a Nostradamus
139 isn't the only bad chapter
@ra al and how is it not a bad chapter
@ra al even i can complete the story with the most fucked up way
@ra al what? Bruh this has to be a troll. Anyone can complete a story with any bs. If it doesn’t make sense or align with the story it’s random nonsense. It it contradicts and retcons characters making story lose its flavor and themes it’s nonsense. There’s been some but this one was on another leve it even contradict the author himself not on Ou the story. Most people don’t like being fed bs especially something that was set up. It’s not like the ending was hard to do. He changed it for whatever reason to make a sequel hint. Idk how much they payed him. I just hope it’s worth his self respect and dignity. It’s not like he was poor he made lots of money. Kodansha just wanted more . They were greedy as usual milking things dry till it becomes sht
@ra al it doesn’t even complete the story, it just leaves it off with paradis doomed. And it also retcons everything in the series and ruined almost every character in it
Fanboys: you just don’t get the ending, this is actually a setup for attack on titan to join the Naruto universe
Now we know Isayama is a big fan of Naruto lol
@@twelvethrower24 yes! Nobody seems to understand the genius of isayama! He was setting up a polygamous relationship with naruto hinata and eren the whole time! #thankyouisayama!
@@twelvethrower24 I don’t know who you are but I love you for these comments man 😂
eren ensuring his friends long lives was just a wish, not a goal. his goals being freedom and paradis's safety.
edit: bro calm down in the replies lol
Thank you his friends having happy futures was a desire but not his main priority otherwise he would have tried to keep them out of danger but he almost got them killed like 5 times during the timeskip
@@thatoneblackdude3333 couldn't have said it better myself
Paradis even if eren killed the whole world would suffer from many civil wars and oppression . Yeagarists , Royalty oppressed people inside the walls for centuries . Historia is just a tool to the yeagarists now what good would happen to this poor island people . Destruction chaos death and oppression. Chad eren was the epitome of a man who believes in freedom an absolute hypocrite
@@koui4449 " sigh" once again you people miss the entire point eren wanted to prevent paridis from being eradicated eren was not trying to create world peace the idea that civil war would break out is nothing but an assumption based on nothing the majority of the people of paridis were Yeargerests and they literally control the government there oppression was to none eldians not there own people there radical beliefs would die out once the rest of the world was destroyed since that's the whole reason they even existed at all and hypocritically let's say some kind of civil war broke out so what? Its better then being completely eradicated What part of this do you people not understand ? At the vary least paridis would still have a potential future regardless and that's what's actually important
@@thatoneblackdude3333 human nature create chaos and war believing that people in a semi nationalistic fascists society wouldn't ended up in civil war is just either a utopia either a great misconception of human nature
Chapter 139 Eren: I care about my friends but I give no fucks about their grandchildren
My thoughts exactly after the new leaks.
Do you care about your best friends now or you care more about your grand grand children 150 years from now ?
@@koui4449 I care about both like a normal person
@@thatoneblackdude3333 ok so you care about your grand grand kids more that's the real question
@@koui4449 u r trying too hard to justify Eren's actions, it's not that deep, he simply wanted the rest of the world to not wipe out his Island and his people
Eren won't put his friends above the greater interest of Eldia, he knows exactly that freedom doesn't come cheap and sacrifices need to be made, he sacrificed Armin without a second though in his battle against Bertholdt, and when Historia asked him about his intentions to kill Reiner and Bertholdt, Eren answered that he had to kill them for standing in his way, in 123 we see Eren abandoning his friends after their useless talk no justo plan failed horribly, later he called Armin a complete useless having no real solutions to save Paradise, deep in his mind he knows that his friends are completely incompetent, not to mention that the story was preparing to ship Historia and Eren together so Eren won't value his friends more than his lover and child, Eren knows that his nation, lover and child are more important than his incompetent friends so he later imprisoned and hurt them, it makes perfect sense that he kills them for standing in his way just like what he did with Bertholdt, only a clown would endanger his entire nation so his useless few friends could live a happy long live as some fans say to justify the trash additional extra pages.
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Just becayse u dont like the 104 cadets doesn't mean that eren doesn't, it was always about mikasa and armin, everything is centered between them.
@@leonardomatos6381 who said Eren doesn't like his friends? Of course he does. But does that mean he would hesitate to kill them if they try to stop him from achieving his selfish desire of freedom? No. Why? Eren has ALWAYS been like this ever since the day he was born. He even said "if anyone tries to take away my freedom, I won't hesitate to take theirs". This has always been the character of our protagonist, a selfish guy who would do ANYTHING to get his freedom. U really think this same guy would start thinking about his friends first, instead of his own?
@@rickchakraborty2087 he would hesitate and he wouldnt kill them, he instigated them to confront him só they could kill him, he said if you take my freedom, i would take it yours, he uses mikasa's scene to show that her is part of his freedom.
@@rickchakraborty2087 he is selfish, no one denies that, but himself already give up his freedom for his friends, for armin, just put him above armin, só He can be selfish, but he loves his friends, especially mikasa and armin, between them, he chose his friends
honestly if there are ppl who still defend this ending it's because they're closing their eyes to the truth, it doesn't matter how much we try to show how inconsistent this ending is at this point
@@twelvethrower24 And somehow there's people still defending it even with the new panels
Dude it’s delusional fan boys there’s some in every fandom. No self respect or common sense. There’s always some . It doesn’t matter how much logic you use or evidence.. it doesn’t matter if you have 10000000000000 true objective evidence as long as they can come up with one tiny thing that doesn’t make any sense that get destroyed like the rest, they will still be stuck unable to progress. It will result in them having cognitive dissonance and using mental gymnastic and symbolisms or just invent things without any supporting factors. It’s something to be studied. Idk if they are disconnected to reality or reject any sort of reality. Honestly it’s fascinating not in a good way. It prevent progress or learning to a certain degree. Idk if it’s by age or mental. At some point I am curious of how do they do that to themselves. When logic try to creep in do their feelings over power it. Do they reject it in their brains ? I balance both but I value logic more. No matter how much I love a show
i still can’t get over the it was all an act ass pull his inner monologue literally had him saying he’ll kill all and that he will achieve freedom no matter what this could’ve been a classic story but Isayama sold for a series
Gotta milk that money 🤑
Well I guess u didn't notice. Eren never said anything doing rumbling...if you're talking about chapter 130, that line...was a juxtaposition of his line he actually said in chapter 2. Theres that panel right next to it. That dialogue starts with the chapter 2 or 3 panel...because that's where it was originally said and then that dialogue bleeds on to the chapter 130 present page....meaning to show that's where his choice has led him to do. He wanted to kill all those 'animals'....that choice one after the other...led him to kill all the innocents and not animals. It isn't supposed to be badass. It's tragic, sad just like eren in those moments. He was heartbroken during the entire rumbling... was regretting it as he did. Eren has no dialogue in the entire rumbling arc except the time he told his friends that they'll have to kill him.
@@shivampachauri7551 131. When he talks to Ramzi, he’s 100% talking about the Rumbling.
@@TheAssassinsfan2234 still doesn't change what I was saying. He didn't talk to ramzi during rumbling....he talked to ramzi after he exited that parliament thingy...that part of chapter 131 where him talking to ramzi was shown was a flashback to the time they visited the outer world(Ch 123) . He never said to ramzi about 'killing all those animals'. Eren has only said that once in the entire story- chapter 3 as a kid. So yeah. My point still stands.
@@shivampachauri7551 There's not one sentence in your comment that makes sense.
Why would he tell Ramzi about killing those animals? What are you stupid? That was to Floch! Why do you think Eren would ever tell Ramzi "I'm going to kill you you animal!"
131 Is Eren's inner monologue with snippets of him apologizing to Ramzi, Eren say's I'm going to kill them all. And thinks about the annihilation of the world at his hands.
Woow this ending is so deep man it’s like real life dude it’s so realistic and the message is that trying to accomplish your goals for an entire story will get you nowhere Isayama is a genius he’s showing us that conflicts will never end as if we didn’t already know that
He just shit on AoT in order to create a door for the sequel. He'll milk the money. As long as he gets that he doesn't give a shit about anything else. Quality died, only quantity matters now. He destroyed everything and shit on his majority fanbase for money grabbing.
If I wanted the message that conflict never ends, I wouldn't read AOT as escapism, I would simply turn on the news.
@@foxymoon7860 bro how are u so overconfidents theres gonna be a sequel ? maybe isayama wanted to show that history repeats itself a . say whatever u want but aot is still gonna be a masterpiece regardless the ending.
@@arnabmazumdar3915 shit ending so definitely not a masterpiece, seasons 1 and 2 weren't that good. I would say S3P2 is a masterpiece, but overall AoT is like a 8/10 or 9/10
@@arnabmazumdar3915 nope not a masterpiece anymore
It's a big misconception in the fandom that eren only cares about his friends, that's not true, eren risked his life as a child and killed three adults to save mikasa who was a stranger to him back then, she was not his friend and he didn't know her and yet he did all that for her. Eren always cared mainly about seeking freedom and taking the lives of thoses who oppose his people's freedom not just his friends freedom. So him only doing his for his friends it's just a bad justification that some fans use to justify this bad ending.
Another misconception that some fans use to justify eren stoping the rumbling at 80%, is that conflict and peace can never be achieved as long as there are humans. This argument doesn't make sense because eren never cared about creating everlasting peace or a world whitout conflict and hatred that was never his purpose, Eren cared about the freedom of paradis from outside world's discrimination, and if he had wiped out everyone outside paradis then paradis would no longer be the center of hatred in the world and will be free from the world's oppression this is a simple fact nothing to debate here. And this is exactly why wiping out 80% instead of everyone doesn't make any sense period.
One last thing I want to add hat didn't make sense at all is how the titan powers curse was lifted, that whole mikasa was the chosen one and that yimir was waiting for her to show her that she too can let go of love is just last minute garbage retconing, we know that yimir was waiting for eren to free her and he was the first one that did that in chapter 122 but i guess all that doesn't make sense anymore. Isayama really should have came up with a better way to lift the titan powers from eldians rather than the mess we got.
Yah but what stopped eren rumbling were his friends
He balived that armin would have made peace whit the world
Thing that appened maybe not for forever bht still
@@th3_ph4ntomreborn31 that's the last thing u would have expected from Eren. How did he even think Armin would actually be able to make peace with the world? He knew very well that's impossible, isn't that the reason why he even started the rumbling?
@@th3_ph4ntomreborn31 It was eren who let his friends stop him and he stopped the rumbling at 80%. Which makes no sense, because for the rumbling to work in the best interest of paradis in both the short and the long term, it has to be used to wipe out everyone not just 80%.
136 is the last chapter that made me feel like "Yup I'm still reading AOT"
For me it was 134 and the first panels of 135
@@meawiyaothman7872 yo Isayama's editor literally made fun of Vol 34 by saying that it has "great sense of COMDEY" 😂🤣
With this terrible ending, aot was really a massive waste of time for me. Shouldn't have invested all these years and money into it. The journey was really NOT worth it.
People cope by saying at least they enjoyed the journey, so what if the ending is bad, but that's the thing. The whole story was 9.5 or even 10/10, before the ending came that is. Now the whole story seems pointless. The entire journey was meaningless. NOTHING was achieved. So many people died and gave their hearts for nothing. Characters were assassinated, u can't even re-watch certain scenes seriously anymore, u can't take some characters seriously anymore. AoT lost it's rewatchable value and it's just sad.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Agreed! Ending can make or break any story, it's one of the major deciding factors in allowing us to separate the good stories from the badly written ones. Aot was supposed to set a precedent for the anime medium and genre, it was expected to surpass generic shounen ending and claim its place as a masterpiece. The fact that the ending retconned all of its themes, characters, events etc. makes us feel betrayed. There's nothing satisfying about this ending and it feels like I learnt nothing from this story. I feel that there was no point to it all since isayama left us with a message of how 'cycle of hatred continues' which is so contradictory to the original message of breaking the cycle of hatred he was preaching in the story for years.
Kruger and Grisha's entire lives were devoted to freeing Eldians, and Eren was left with the ultimate task of accomplishing it. This was also his goal for his entire life before he even knew he was Eldian, to be free. And ppl REALLY think Eren just "hmmm scrap that. Actually, i'm gonna kill my mom, dad, brother, 80% of humanity, and myself so some of my friends can die of old age😎"
Several generations of attack titan shifters threw their lives away because ultimately, the last one was gonna waste all of that power and knowledge so his friends could be old. Awesome🤡 That also goes for the thousands of soldiers who died hoping to secure a brighter future for their own families on paradis. The retconning is honestly impressive.
So freeing the eldians requires killing the millions that exist outside of paradis? And u wonder why Kruger and Grisha helped the alliance
@@inminecraft8430 Literally yes. We see the results of only killing 80%, paradis gets destroyed. It's not like Eren had another way. It was kill everyone or be killed by everyone. He didn't kill everyone, so the remaining Eldians end up being killed by everyone. I'm not just pro-genocide lmao, it's just the logical ending. I'm sure nobody WANTED this to happen, but Eren's philosophy is that the end justifies the means. So in order to maintain consistency, he should have done a full rumbling. I'm sure Kruger and Grisha, before the retcon, would have not liked it either, but would have accepted it as the only way. Because that was unfortunately the only way Eldians could be free.
@@samanthapedraza5093 Eren wanted to do the rumbling but saw knew he couldn’t complete it so he allowed the alliance to fight him
@@inminecraft8430 wdym "Eren wanted to do the rumbling". HE HAD NO CHOICE. If he just wanted to do the rumbling, why did he look for other alternatives during the time skip? And he specifically said that he is doing this to end the cycle of hatred. It's not that he couldn't finish it, he wouldn't since he let his incompetent friends live long lives.
if he only wanted his friends to live, and didnt give a rats ass for their kids and the rest of paradis, why not go with zekes plan?
he only stopped bc they made him
Great vid Bro. 139 apologists took power of Friendship to the next level. I Guess Killing 80% of the fucking world for a few friends you’ve known for 5-10 years makes sense but committing genocide for the nation that he was born in is dumb😂😂. And not to mention Eren didn’t even know if his friends would survive the rumbling.
But looks like those "friends" still survived because of plot armour
@@rickchakraborty2087 yea it’s ridiculous that not one person died fighting the past Titan shifters lol
Eren killed his own mom but saved Connie 🙄
@@ayesha_h made Annie, Reiner and Pieck live long lives but let Sasha and Hange die
i thought ending defenders defend it because they’re glad that he got killed for doing what he did and only got reincarnated as a bird not bc they’re happy that he did 80%
Chapter 139 :eren 4 of his friends who literally killed him is worth saving over paridise whole nation. Erens friends are more then happy to kill him when they know his way is the only way to save them but eren can’t kill his friends to protect his ppl makes sense 🤦♂️
I started hating Eren's "friends" for this exact reason. But now even Eren's character got assassinated 🤦🤡
@@rickchakraborty2087 Excactly
R.i.p Attack on titan
Not only did he tell every Eldian in paths that he was going to kill everyone outside the Island for Pardis. But he also told Ramzi, that everything he is going to do is for Paradis. Are people saying that he lied to that little boy for shits and giggles? And that 80% of the world, including Ramzi, died so that 5/6 of his friends could live out their lives? That shit don’t add up lol
I wish eren's friends weren't so poorly written this season tbh..
Erens goal was freedom and saving paridise above all and not sacrificing historia . Isn’t eren the one who said in chapter 139 that even if they didn’t stop him he would have destroyed the whole world and he doesn’t even know if his friends will survive. So much for doing this only for his friends. Didn’t he let Sasha and hanji die too
Eren's goals was all about freedom and save his friends, especially mikasa abd armin, paradise is not his priorite
@@leonardomatos6381 Eren wanted so much freedom that he imprisoned himself in a time cycle. Dude, this is very contradictory.
@@leonardomatos6381 wrong his wish was to save his friends it was in conflict with his goal Saving paridise and gaining his freedom for him and his people . U could see as he sacrificed hange levi Floch and sasha. He almost got mikisa armin killed 2x even Jean pointed it out saying eren almost got u killed with the Zachary bomb and calling them to help in his attack on Liberio. So eren was willing to kill his friends in order to save paridise. Pre retcon ofc
Yesss, thank you. I don't know why ending defenders keep forgeting that Eren literally said it himself that he didn't know whether will his friends survive the Rumbling or not. The fact that they survived and lived a long life was nothing more than pure luck (will I say "luck" but honestly it waa just Isayama not wanting to hurt the ending defenders than he already did).
Don’t ever disrespect my man Naruto like that. That guy never sacrificed his ideals unlike some MC’s. Eren is more like the Obito who goes against everything he’s worked for just because he had a moment of clarity
This is the most accurate I’ve seen around YT channels, I totally agree with you comrade... the REAL ending wasn’t 139 nor the “8 extra pages”...
@saintichief this channel is gonna blow up once the anime catches up to this.
here's hoping
@@saintitchief Your content is pretty well made and your analysis is spot on. Once you're done with AOT you should also do this for other series like perhaps Vinland Saga, Berserk, Vagabond, JJK, etc. I know Bleach is about to come back soon as well if you're interested.
Oh it will definitely blow up, this guy has just started don't worry.
Thanks guys.
and @@rickchakraborty2087 you gotta chillll in these comments man you're killing them
@@saintitchief lmao 😂
They ain't coming back from that one
Connie, Jean, Mikasa, and Armin the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse
Friends: Killing millions of people is horrible and bad and we want to stop it by all means!
Eren: But I did it for you.
Friends: OMG Eren what a man you are awesome long and happy lives ahead never mind we have to live with the knowledge all those people including children and babies were slaugther so the four of us could keep living a little longer.
Eren: "I would like for you all to live long lives"
His friends: :)
Eren: "Exept for you Sasha. You get killed in some months..."
Sasha: :(
all the people i talked saying the ending is good is saying this. but that is the most selfish theory and so shallow, that's aot for them bruh wow
Great essay debunking the friendship hypothesis
they are still going to try and say it was for his friends, imagine not admitting when your wrong
Erwin: were the lives of our dead comrades meaningless?
Isayama: *yes* :)
The paths scene in chapter 123 is part of the Walmart Lelouch plan, hence he was acting. He's been trying so hard to make the scouts his enemies (table scene and tons of other actions) after he kissed Historia's hand. The Eren we used to like was nothing more than a facade.
It all boils down to eren killing his father, mother, brother and 80% of the world for his friends whom he only knew for a couple of years lmfao despite how deep and unique his character was take a look at what eren has been reduced to, he's not even Mid at this point he's literally the biggest clown of anime MCs right now
If he wanted his friends to have full lives he could have hid them in another country and let Paradis Island be destroyed... as it happened anyway
They still lived full lives. Eren always wanted to do the the 100% rumbling but realized he would not complete it because of his future memories. So he made his actual plan instead
Imagine if Eren completed the rumbling and saved paradis... man what could have been
My problem with chaper 139 itself is how Eren's character arc ended and his "goal" that he accomplished at the end, we got Eren's inner thoughts way before chapter 139 and it showed us his determination to be free at all costs. It was obvious that Eren still cared for his friends but to suddenly love Mikasa out of NOWHERE when he's about to die makes no sense whatsoever, Eren has been near death COUNTLESS times and not ONCE has he thought about how we wanted to be there for mikasa in the middle of it all. Because of the sudden 180 in Eren's character during 139 many moments throughout the manga makes no sense or has little to no value anymore, things like "i was born into this world", "that scenery" , the ymir scene in the paths and so on. there was no way paradi could survive even with 80 percent of the world wiped out and the other 20 percent would be furious with paradi because of what Eren did. chapter 139 also showed paradi about to go to war even when they're still seriously underdeveloped. Eren ultimately accomplished nothing at the end because he suddenly decided to go back on his INNER THOUGHTS AND BELEIFS. It pissed me off when random niggas would say "you didn't understand the story" when I've been reading attack on titan since season 1 first aired.
Regardless of the stories intention, I think we can all agree Kishimoto has made another masterpiece. First Naruto, now attack on titan i really enjoyed his depiction of the edo tensei shift- i mean ancient titan shifters
aot final arc is simalar to naruto war arc.
kaguya and ymir.
neji and sasha died.
9 reanimated jinchurikies- previous 9 shape shifter titan.
naruto and armin talk-no-jutsu obito and zeke.
founding titan- ten tails
forms alliances to fight two man( obito and madara, zeke and eren)
I mean Naruto is one of Shonen fathers... so yeah it is what it is
THANK YOU CHIEF! I can't tell you how many time these ending defenders love to bring up this argument and you just tore it to shreds. You never miss
Chief, I like these types of videos. You go calmly forward and analyze in a good and strategic manner. The video and your message comes forth much better than when going wild and being all over the place.
appreciate it
The true Rumbling were the friends massacred along the way
Keep up the good work!! I love how you are brutally honest!!!
Ive watched a few of your videos bro after a month of feeling like I was alone thinking the ending was hot garbage and i must say good job. These videos are great, ur personality is cool AND they arent like long videos (apart from ur initial breakdown). They cut to the point real quick and give nothing but facts which I appreciate. Keeping them short is cool because it means showing it to be people who disliked the ending is easier as well.
as i said, great job bro, you earned urself a sub
Chapter 139 literally made Eren like he doesn't care about his own family, his country nor his freedom he has been chasing for all these years..
Look man, I love what you're doing so much I watched all your three ads, one of them was 3 minutes long. Seriously thank you.
real one
"wars are not waged to protect 5 people" A FUCKING BAR!!
We love the storyline,, they love their ships and bring more revenue,,, soo easy logic to givethem anything at cost of the ending
Someone deadass told me it didn't matter that Sasha died, and he at least saved most of his friends. I have no idea where these people draw the line
Now it feels ironic when he wished his friends to live long lives when Sasha as present.
Aot doesn't deserve to be called masterpiece
YESSS. So excited to watch this.
If you think like this his main goal was to protect the people of paradise right so if imagine allianz got way to much an hindrance to eren like if he would've killed him like it still be a controversial writing like cause his friends are the people of paradis too so if he killed them that means he killed the people of paradis in a way this show will never had an good ending TBH all the complexity of this show got isayama
Did u forget the line Eren said "If someone tries to take my freedom, I won't hesitate to take theirs" he never said if his friends come to stop him he might hesitate did he? That's because he was so DETERMINED to achieve his selfish desire of freedom he wouldn't hesitate to even kill his friends if they come to stop him. He ALWAYS prioritised his freedom, yes he also wanted to save his Island people, and his friends were also people from Paradis, but it's his OWN friends who were trying to stop him from achieving his goal of saving Paradis and gaining freedom right?
@@rickchakraborty2087 yes indeed I know but your ain't getting the point here like if he was this focused how he loose he was basically a god million upon million collosal Titan army and yet he loose
@@surajkarki3511 that's EXACTLY why chapter 139 doesn't make any sense. Do u get now why we keep saying the chapter retcons so many things and themes and character motivations? There's just no way Eren could lose, the man had powers almost close to the level of a God, yet they make him loose? That's bs. 139 is bs. Eren winning was exactly what would have made sense and what should have actually happened. 100% rumbling made perfect sense and SHOULD have happened.
@@rickchakraborty2087 that's what I'm saying when you introduced to many shit that you don't even know how you gonna close it
It leads to shit he can give decent ending and can also open stuff to sequal but isayama got bad in his own stuff that's one of my 👉
@@rickchakraborty2087 I agreed it's so obvious a mid head can even know this man
Just realize in this ending eren didn’t even take off the curse. Armin probably died like few years after. Reiner and Annie and falco too. Bruh lol. Long lives wasn’t his goal. Also original ending would of had curses ended due to Ymir wanting a second chance and reincarnating or wanting eldians free after eren freed her. But then wouldn’t make money for a sequel or milk it dry eh
Reiner and the other Marley Warriors only had 2 years left in the final arc. They're still around after the 3 year timeskip in Ch.139.
@@alexvaughan1013 oh yeah I remember seeing them. Either that’s bs or I clan make up this excuse . So he took the powers away from them and just went in the tree. That would be the only logical answer. Is the parasite will with the head? Didn’t the parasite leave his body? If it’s not the reason why even have the tree growing. Eren replace Ymir? Also did Ymir travel back and not save the king? If that’s so then oh boy. Unless she’s day dreaming of life if she didn’t protect him but she could of done that long time ago. She had thousands of years.. I realize didn’t see them in the last panels extra pages. Did they get assassinated? All we saw was jean and mikasa and their family generation. I’m curious. So armin either died or wasted his time talking because the only reason it appears the nations waited is invention better weapons to bomb paradise
The other promise playing in the background is the icing on the cookie
Some people: eren's goal was to make his friends live long lives
Eren chapter 139: Even dragging my precious comrades into the war I wasn't sure they were going to survive
I honestly don't see how people can see this, at one point sure he cared about that but his goals evolved
If Eren saw Sasha dying in the Liberio attack, why didn't he shack her up with Nicco-san? Then, she'd be in a happy relationship and quit being a soldier.
Good video definitely agree, Eren’s plan FAILED and lost his friends and home because he was manipulated by Ymir and eren and didn’t believe in self to help his people and paradise also he did not think this mess thru and didn’t explore more options. The thing I point out not everyone in the world didn’t wanted them dead there was also hizaru which could’ve helped paradise by selling their resources and getting technologically caught up. I’m also wondering if hizaru had more allies so that way paradise can get more help, because NOT everyone in the world likes Marley. Can you make a theory video on how Eren can save his people and his home?
Yes I'll make a video of how the ending could have been written to come to all the same conclusions but still be in line with the story's themes and characters.
And what you said about erens internal conflict I agree he’s the most tragic selfish mc you will ever find in anime this just shows who he is
shit sasha must have ate erens food or some shit he dropped her faster then ben askren
I've always told y'all AOT homies that it had those Naruto vibes from the get go.I mean c'mon the part where Eren bit his wrist reminded me of Naruto when he but his thumb
Lol
That’s such a stupid comment🤦🏽♂️
@@beerussama8128 I think he's joking
Titan shifters are jinchuriki???😳😳😳😳😳
@@deathlydashi 👀👀
Eren is now peanut boy
I always thought that line about him wanting his friends to live long lives was meant to be tragically ironic in the end. Eren wants his friends to live long lives but he ends up being the one who causes their deaths.
Best answer
What if Eren just proclaimed his Speech to the Titans of the WORLD and never arrived anywhere?,
Everyone safe and time Stops everyone is satisfied ,the author and fans
Trying to give an ending is really disappointing and that is exact what happened
U pick the best background music for your videos they all fit and wide variety In 1 video its kingdom hearts in another I heard some mary j or alicia keys i cant remember
Can you make a video about why Mikasa is a BAD parallel to Ymir Fritz. And Historia is a good one.
Yeah the ending really didn't close much of the plot holes
What about the children of his friends it is needed to consider
'Nother plot hole. 2,000 years of Attack Titans, and not one of them fought for Eldia's freedom until now! Not even in the 300 years Marley subjugated Eldians!
it was never his goal, just a wish. he knew they'll die if he does the rumbling and it never stopped him. AnR was the real ending.
Tbh. Anr is the most bullshit ending for a Aots story I've ever heard into my life
@@shivampachauri7551 how's so? AnR would have been the easiest to do that wouldn't have required so many retcons and ooc moments
@@shubhsaxena8745 you sound so dumb
4:13 To get Zeke back from Liberio to Paradis, and kill the main officials in charge of Marley's military (Gen. Calvi being the most important one), thus dealing a massive blow to their army, which proved useful, since in their later desperate invasion to Paradis, they had very limited numbers and resources which led to their failure.
Zeke would have gone back to meet him anyways.
Him wanting his friends to live long live is a wish not a goal. That’s why understanding words and context and situations is important when reading a story. It was to introduce conflict of reality vs wish. That’s why he hoped not wanting to make sure of it because he doesn’t know. It’s like saying “I hope I get the job” or “I wish this happened instead of that”. It is just unknown chance. Like you said internal conflict with reality. He knew his friends would have to die for him to achieve his goal. Also like he said in chap139 which contradict 80% being a plan and trying to turn a wish into a goal theory is wrong. He said he would of destroyed everything anyways. So he was stop due to retcon and change in the story by isayama. It’s more of a well....wish/desire/want. But there is no garbage it will happen.
Definitions and differences between wish/want/desire and goals. Hope this helps people. Also the video is correct. :
Wishes are not goals.
They can be pleasant diversions and may give temporary relief from the demands of the real world. But wishes are not calls to action, since the person doing the wishing, knows she is dreaming and that the dream is not to be taken seriously.
Difference Between Goals and Wishes
What is a wish? The dictionary defines a wish as: to want; desire; to long for. Goals on the other hand are defined as: the result or achievement toward which effort is directed. The difference is profound not only in semantics, but also in how each can shape your thought process, your actions (or lack of), and ultimately, your life.
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wished; wishing; wishes
Definition of wish (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
1 : to have a desire for (something, such as something unattainable)
wished he could live his life over
2 : to give expression to as a wish : BID
wish them good night
3a : to give form to (a wish)
b : to express a wish for
c : to request in the form of a wish : ORDER
d : to desire (a person or thing) to be as specified
While goals create a vision with a wide range, objectives focus on the individual, achievable outcomes. Objectives are the concrete deliverables that make the goal come to life. Progress towards them helps measure advancement to reaching the larger end goal.
Definition of goal
1 : the end toward which effort is directed : AIM
The goal is high-speed rail travel.
Other words for goals are :
Some common synonyms of goal are aim, design, end, intention, intent, objective, object, and purpose.
Basically it was eren’s hppe and wish that they live long lives not his goal. Wish is wanting something that might not happen or favorable outcome but not sure. Definitions said it but that’s my take from it in my own words.
Simply put, Eren wished for his friends to live long lives because they're also part of the nation of Paradis. Protecting Paradis meant protecting Armin and Mikasa as well as complete strangers living in Wall Sina.
However, there are two factors that made this secondary objective impossible to be attained:
1. Outside circumstances. It was beyond Eren's control that Gabi was able to sneak into the airship and shoot Sasha, especially considering that the Survey Corps started celebrating too early and let their guard down. Connie blaming Eren for Sasha's death showed an utter lack of responsibility on his part and a lack of understanding of the big picture.
2. The free will and decisions of his friends. Yes Eren *wishes* for all of his friends to live, but the moment that they teamed up with the Warriors to stop him meant that his wish is now opposed to his greater objective of securing Paradis' freedom. By making the choice to try to kill Eren, the others knew damn well that they're likely to die by the Rumbling.
These two reasons therefore don't make Eren hypocritical or inconsistent with his grand goal of saving Paradis and getting freedom, as he had respected the free choice of his friends.
Eren become bird
😭
im a bird so what
*tree
my english is poor but i hope you understand what im trying to say
I think eren characters is especially on 139
it same like lord acton say "power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupt absolutely"
from the start it was his nature to killing people or i can say the one who treathening his "freedom", maybe the first time this desire come was when he killed mikasa kidnapper (but that's self defense bro) i don't think that a normal children can kill an adult without feeling regret of taking someone life but you can ignore this one because maybe it just a self defense he maybe feeling regret after that,
after that You can see this desire when he against annie for the last time he's drowning in ecstasy when he rip and tear annie titans while saying "im gonna kill every last one of them, im gonna destroy this world" and in the 131 when he say freedom while he's brutally massacred people in the rumbling, eren get more and more get corrupted because a power of titan shifter he have , experience from previous inheritor and the memory , and of course his desire to kill is growing up he's not satisfied with the titan he wants more
Before time skip you can notice eren always justifed he's action killing titan because he was born into this world or because titan taken his freedom but in reality he just want to killing
after time skip he's see a future and the past ,experience from previous inheritor and got an absolute power
he's doesn't need to justified everything because he's already have a power that absolute no one can bother him anymore
He's already corrupted absolutely,
but the thing that kinda weird or inconsistency is he actually have sympathy and guilty feeling to others like people like halil besides his friend (well you can say this was to make humanize his character but idk it just felt weird when he actually wanted it instead like in previous chapter where he's forced by his fate to do it)
but in the end idk what actually eren motivation at all even eren himself he doesn't know why but he wanted it, is it for his friend, is it for paradise or it was for his desire to massacred people but one thing i got in the last chp is eren and fritz is not so difference ,
one want a domination
one want a just wanting to kill
Honestly the "Friendship Theory" makes the most sense to me, I feel like I'm in a small category tho.. realistically speaking could Eren really protect all his friends and seek freedom? Unless you feel he should have genocide the world.... and yes, he wanted to kill all of titans humanity etc, but he did realize that all of humanity are not bad. And Eren definitely matured since he was younger and probably decided that instead of destroying the whole world ill weakened them; to help Paradis catch up to the rest of the world and allow peace in his friends time. I mean honestly, You say wage war for 5 friends? If the whole world is after you and your family. Where is it safe to hide, but Paradis... of course he gonna wage war, they face prejudice around the world... no where to truly run or live in peace. I believe chapter 138? Its showed and alternative life where he decided not to wage war and live in peace, but was always on the run....and many more of his friends die and Paradis was conquered in 2 months. Him going to War for Paradis makes more since, if you're trying to protect 5 friends...
Exactly
Honestly I wanna see how the anime only are gonna react to this ending
Eren saying that he wants to protect the people of Paradis is literally not even his primary goal. Just because he says it, it doesn't mean it's true. Eren is not being fully earnest in the scene when he addresses the subjects of Ymir. If he's not doing it for his friends, then where the hell did he suddenly become interested in protecting the island over his friends? It literally doesn't make sense if his motivations just came out of nowhere. He has always sought freedom, but it was always for himself, and throughout the story he develops into someone who cares more for the people around him. That was his whole character arc! The friendship theory didn't come out of no where, it was there from the very start. Eren's motivation to kill titans was because he felt powerless to protect his mother, and as the story unfolds, he goes from acting rashly to kill for revenge to wanting what is best for his friends. Did you not see all of the storylines in seasons 2 to 3? In the ending he says that he was trapped by his own desire to destroy the world, but this whole time he had been trying to fight himself too so that his friends would prevail in the end.
I don't like the ending personally, but saying that friendship was not one of his primary motivators is just purposefully pretending that Eren was acting completely earnestly during the Marley arc onwards.
If Eren is valuing his freedom over his own friends lives then he literally hasn't gone through any change whatsoever during the story. There's just no way he start out as being rage filled and seeking a "freedom" that doesn't exist, and just completely regresses all the character development he went through.
Another banger. But most people knew that. Idk why it’s brought up again. I guess desperation to say ending was good even though that’s not even the only issue lol. It’s not even about trying to prove it’s good anymore s it’s just trying the get one point after everything has been debunked. Some people just need one good point to feel good even though the other points been destroyed and this one just got destroyed in this video but before this video cause that topic came up and before no one was talking about that wish as a goal.
7:10 So then he DID want to destroy 100% of the outside world, not 80%?
no, he wanted 80. he knew 80 is what the outcome would be.
what he's saying here is even if he didn't know what the outcome would be he still would have done the rumbling.
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Did u forget that he wanted the world to see him for the devil he is? That’s why he showed everyone in paths. The people in paradis would have a majority rallied behind eren’s cry which would later help become the basis of the military that paradis is using to defend itself
you don't think 1 million colossal titans would have accomplished the same thing?
if not, that still doesn't explain why historia was there. was she going to waddle over and help them slay eren?
@@saintitchief she would just know he’s starting the rumbling. I don’t see anything wrong with that
@@saintitchief also it doesn’t matter what other strategies could have worked. Eren saw one path that he knew couldn’t be changed so he followed it to reach what he saw in the future
she couldn’t tell by the walls being literally torn down around her? your logic is very flawed man.. just stop and think that it’s possible you may be wrong.
@@saintitchief she was about to give birth lmao
eren did the rumbling bc the world didn’t look like armins book. simple. the rumbling was his first choice too btw that’s why he didn’t go w zekes plan or armins bc he WANTED to do the rumbling
I agree with you about his inner conflict, but what about Kruger's memories? The "if you want to save Mikasa and Armin"? Let's pretend chapter 139 doesn't exist, for a moment. Maybe originally he saw a future when he could've achieved both saving them at least along with Paradis? Not to mention that at some point things started to revolve around the topic of the end of the world, the real Ragnarok, that unfortunately in the end was dropped along with many other themes, so things could've started going in more unexpected and outlandish directions. There were so many ways Isayama could've given a more fitting ending to the story... So many.
I believe that it would have been a case of dark irony. Think about it, Eren wanted to kill all the titans at first, but it turned out that all the titans were innocent people. The titan he hated more than anything in the world was his fathers ex wife who didn’t do anything wrong. This is dark irony, and that theme has been present since the start of the story, and would have been capitalized on by forcing Eren to make Krugers words ironic, and his own as well.
Grisha said that to Eren to motivate him when he was giving him his titan powers. Eren sent that memory to Kruger to let him motivate Grisha to take his titan powers. Am I making sense?
@@saintitchief Yeah, Grisha's ex wife eating Carla was dark irony indeed, she said she would find him, after all. And that was perfect as it was and the chapter 139 explanation/plot twist was definitely unnecessary. But your take on Kruger's memories doesn't convince me that much. I mean, those were memories. He (via Eren) was giving Grisha instructions on what to do to achieve Eren's goals and set the future he had chosen.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Yeah, this could be. It could be that he did it just to motivate himself. But then it would be the same situation as in chapter 139 with his mother.
But Kruger's memories were very vague. There's no way to know exactly what he meant, or how those memories came to be in the first place.
There's also examples in the story of memories being misinterpreted, like Grisha killing the Reiss family, or "See you later, Eren".
Memories have never been a "this must happen" button in the series, don't see why that should change because its the Owl's.
😂😂😂😂this friendship theory is garbage...
If you are paying a price of the lives of 80percent of innocent people of the world...then the result of that should be much more not just 100 years of peace
Eren wanted to complete the rumbling and make an outside world he could explore but he saw that he wouldn’t finish it so he orchestrated his plan to have his friends kill him. Other plans may have been better but this is the path eren decided to set himself on ever since he was the future memories
Him killing his friends makes no sense when he has no reason to. Even if you went with the logic of him giving his friends freedom to oppose him, just tell floch and Yeagerists to destroy the plane. An unnecessary battle with a fairly obvious conclusion where his friends die a battle they had no chance at winning is avoided. That’s why the idea of him killing his friends seems so pointless to me. It can obviously be avoided and if he allowed them to fight it’s basically a useless death sentence.
Why doesn't Eran erase the 20% memory doesn't he have that power?
I think that founding titan can only do that with eldians,not regular humans
What Goal...!?!?
How could people support a guy who would try to murder the whole world just to save his country which only supported him to ensure their survival . They were the same who Framed him for being a Montser and the same who used him because of his powers as a weapon . Whats compelling about that shit . Forget the ending forget the whole rumbling arc . Go to the mirror and state loudly that some people only because they have the same blood with me and happens to live on the same geographical area with me deserve to live more that the other people of the world . His parents were dead so he didn't want to protect his family . His friend would die and even if he didn't know that they would fight against him it was obvious when he stated to them . So we have a guy who just want to achieve freedom for the People of his country (based on actual facts determined by luck ) without personal feelings about them as his friends and family wouldn't survive . Who also multiple times stated that he wanted to free them while he himself created the yeagarists to rule after his plan would have been finished . Congratulations fans you wanted a sympathetic nationalist to live and have a happy live while his country would be under a nationalistic fascist state #ourfreedomboyeren
The Kingdom Hearts music tho
the only other series that disappointed me like this one lol
@@saintitchief True. Naminé was one of my favorite characters and they just... wasted her lol
I will make a video about KH3 one day. Its something I've been writing on and off for years and will probably be 2-3 hours long.
Won't be for a long time though.
@@saintitchief I’d love to see it! While KH3 is definitely flawed, I will say that the Kingdom of Corona is one of if not my absolute favorite Disney worlds in the series. Walking around with Rapunzel, enjoying the atmosphere, etc. was all amazing to me.
I’m really hoping it makes a return with influence from the Tangled TV show, because there’s way too much story potential to ignore. Knowing modern Nomura, it very will might be ignored though lmao
KH is dead to me so the video will be very negative lol
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Man, Isayama's retcons are the worse things that could come out of 2021! 😫
Just because eren brought every eldian to the paths dosent mean his goal changed all eren knows is his home and friends and eren gave the people of paradis 100-200 years of freedom while also giving his friends peace....The message behind attack on Titan is war won’t ever end humans are to destructible even the Yeagerist say it war won’t ever end on till everyone on earth is dead realistically if eren wanted peace everyone would have to be dead and he would have to be the last person on earth lmao but decent video I like when you give reasoning and your not just shitting on everyone else’s opinion
that was not what I said. But can you answer why he brought every eldian, including Historia who already knew his plan and could not stop him if she wanted?
Nazis never back dumbass and germany is still un pieces not nuked.
War never ends... In facts yes. Wars ends al time. The real life is logical... Snk and 139 crap es stupid
Bro eren cares about paradise because his friends and people he loved live there, he wants to save paradise because of the people that are on it and because he was born there. His idea of protecting his friends never changed, Sasha didn’t die because he wanted her to die now did he? And second of all why would they have changed? What did he go through in between the train scene and the end of the story that would’ve made him not care for his friends? Eren went with the rumbling plan because he wanted to achieve his own personal freedom, not to mention armin’s plan was unrealistic and zeke’s plan was disgusting to him plus he already know what he was going to do and knew he couldn’t change it. The rumbling itself doesn’t go against him wanting his friends to live long lives, so why do you think he just stopped caring about his friends? The fear of the rumbling would just basically be the same thing as armin’s plan plus if the titan curse is lifted paradise would be destroyed whenever anyone has the balls to go to paradise and notice they aren’t any colossal anywhere, plus eren didn’t even know how lifting the titan curse even worked, he just knew that mikasa would be the one to set Ymir free. Also eren in the paths would’ve probably noticed that paradise will die eventually no matter what he does, either by themselves or the outside world, so what mattered was protecting the people he loves right now, since paradise won’t just suddenly become a utopia after he kills the entire world. You’re also misinterpreting what that eren line means imo, to me, it means that it wouldn’t have mattered if his friends stopped him or not, or if there was any reason to destroy the world, he still would’ve done it, after all he is the type of person to stab a human traffickers as a child. Don’t get me wrong the ending is shit I just think a lot of what you’re saying in this video is false.
Q: Sasha didn't die because he wanted her to die jowls did he?
Of course he never wanted Sasha to die but in order to ultimately achieve his goals of liberating the island from the threat of genocide. he had to make some surprise attack cause if you dont remember Marley was gathering the world forces to plan an attack on Paradis. Unfortunately his friends happen to be soldiers. No soldier wants his comrades to die but to reach a goal bodies need to drop.
Q: Why would his goal of protecting his friends change?
None of the people who disliked the ending wanted his character to change but it ultimately did in the last chapter. That's the change we were talking about. He chose to pause the rumbling right at the end just because his friends got close which lead to their home being destroyed later. When Eren wants something done he does it but that last minute switch at the end came outta no where you can't deny that.
Q: what experience from train to end of story would've made him not care about them?
Once again it's not that Eren doesn't care about his friends. The mission of securing the Island's future is just more important of a mission that was dropped at the end to prop his friends up to talk no jutsu the survivors of the genocide.
Q: the rumbling didn't go against caring for his friend why do you think so?
It doesn't up until his friends are actively there trying to stop him. At that point they made their decision and they are fine dying for that mission to save the world. Plus I think that would've hit harder. Eren destroying the world for his friends that he ultimately had to kill while fulfilling his mission.
Fear of the Rumbling would still be there and it'd be a while before anyone comes over but like Saint said their economies would be in shambles and they definitely wouldn't be able to build a military as strong for at least 20 years. Still a bad plan but it's doable I GUESS.
Maybe Eren did see the destruction of Paradis but he never stated as such.
As for that line of "even if I wasn't aware of how this would all end with you guys stopping me. I still would have reduced everything in this world to dust" I think a lot of us have a different interpretation of that line. For me it was Eren saying that he would've always destroyed the world because the world would have always tried to destroy him. He's not the type to just sit back and let things happen. If he can change it he will.
I hoped I helped to answer some things. At least to the best of my abilities. If not just call me Isayama cause I dont know how to write lol
Not really theory when it's canon, is it
pre 139 it wasn’t so without that garbage retcon chapter its a theory.
Chapter 139 was fire. Ending pages were also cool
the reality even in Naruto Hashirma killed Madara because he was standing on his way. Itachi killed his whole clan just coz they were standing on his way. Naruto cant kill people coz he is mc so young children dont follow him. Obito killed his sense and his wife and almost killed Naruto to. Isayame just wanted to give us a L for all of us.
true but you cant let kishi slide with the mc excuse and not isa.
@@saintitchief well i don't care about AoT I just watch ur video coz it is fun and logical