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- Why Light VS Johan VS Yuuichi In a Manipulation Battle Isn't Close. They are sly, manipulative, and cunning. They are the peaks of their verse in term of manipulation. So who is the better Manipulator out of Johan Liebert, Light Yagami and Yuuichi Katagiri?
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The video teaches you more about DEATH NOTE, MONSTER AND TOMODACHI GAME, Light Yagami, Johan Liebert, Yuuichi Katagiri and other characters. Manipulation and Psychology.
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You should to add Yoyoka Norihiko and Judge Holden.
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@@davidarvingumazon5024 Junko Enoshima vs Judge Holden is better and much more fair.
You should read usogui manga then you will know what is manipulation meant for ❤
I mean gaslighting someone into suicide is on a different level than gaslighting someone to tell you their real name
But telling them their real name in this situation is equal to suicide as they know that Kira kills with only name and face
Gaslighting someone to kill themselves doesn't seem as hard as gaslighting someone to do the EXACT thing they know would get them killed. One is an exploitation of guilt, the other is pure and utter deception.
Wrong.
@@devon-mm4kg go on and explain. Can't just say "wrong" and expect your arguement to be valid no?
@@tagteamduelist1686 Okay, let's say this happened in real life. As a detective, you know Kira was around. Why would you give anybody your name, knowing that's his way of killing, which is how he kills in the anime? So, basically, by telling someone your name, it's like signing a death warrant.
Of course Johan takes manipulation and it's not even close. Yuuichi should probably take things like deception, and Light probably general outsmarting.
yeah well said
THEY GAVE JOHAN SLEEPINGS PILLS WHEN HE WAS AT THE ORPHANAGE TO NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH MANIPULATING KIDS AND THE ADULTS THERE 💀 people like light, yuuichi, Ayonakoji can manipulate well but they have to execute them well while Johan will just yap the most devastating shit and manipulate anyone easily
Johan gets all 3 from both💀
@@LilbuptownI disagree, light's knowledge would actually probably be superior or equal to Johan's. We just haven't seen much of his explicit known knowledge yet, because the series focuses on anything but that.
About yuichi, I don't know.
But johan slams in the manipulation category, in my opinion.
@@sugurugeto34 This makes sense, Light has far more access to information to go from in the fact that he can use the internet to learn how to do new things, so I think in raw knowledge he probably is more academically intelligent than Johan. He's just not as wise which is his biggest weakness, he also can't self reflect on anything he's said, done, or going to do. Johan also has less of an ego than Light's, which is saying something. Not to say Johan is super duper egotistical, he understands that what he is doing is insane, Light doesn't whatsoever. It was because of Light's ego when up against Near that he slipped up and made himself known as Kira.
Johan gaslighting a detective into committing suicide is on a totally different level. This guy manipulated serial killers to kill who he wanted just by writing their name on the ground… I mean, this is just impressive, he didn’t even kill people himself he was so good at manipulation that he was able to get people killed all by themselves and by others. As if he didn’t even exist. This is just impressive.
Well, guess what, Light manipulated himself. I mean, how does one human do that? You're so good at manipulating people that you quite literally gaslight and manipulate yourself. Light is way superior to John.
@@devon-mm4kg just watch monster, then state opinions.
@@devon-mm4kgNot even close to Johan's manipulation feats, and Light used Death Note for that lmao
@@devon-mm4kgand johan manipulated 50 people to kill each other without even moving a finger and he even convinced criminals that he is a vampire and an alien and the alien talks in space language so thats the level of johan manipulation
@@devon-mm4kg and the fact that light manipulated himself is the perfect proof that he would lose with Johan. Light used his narcissistic, competitive traits to play a part in his plan as he was unaware of death note and lost the memory of it, so when he regained memory everything went on as he expected. I remember this moment and I remember I was impressed. But you see, the competitive traits Light presented IS what cost him his victory in the end. His narcissistic, childish competitive behavior led to him being too confident and losing at the end. The fact that he believes in his vision and goes for it is a strength, but also potential for self-delusion, which Johan is a master at exploiting. If light met Johan, Johan would use his narcissistic traits to show him the real view of himself, the one that Neil pictured: “nothing more than a serial killer, not a god”. Johan would calmly and slowly break this image in light’s head causing him terror, fear and unbelievable pain and making him eventually write down his own name in the death note. That is the reality of how it would go on, pal.
If Johan or light dies, the game is over, if they don’t - the game continues, but unlike light, Johan doesn’t care about winning. This is what makes him so much more intimidating…
exactly. Johan didnt care about winning or dying. That's what made him so invincible to the people after him.
@@user-wk4uq5bi4nagree
Light might try to manipulate into doing Johan's perfect suicide attitude sooner, maybe? What do u think?
@@happilyevernever4289I think Johan would manipulate light to kill the whole human population by saying something like they are all criminals this is just an stupid example ofcourse he will do better and ofcourse as you mentioned Johan will kill himself too but light manipulating Johan into doing that doesn't happen as he never listens or considers someone's point only person he would let him kill himself is dr tenma or anna so light can use the death note to do it but not manipulation
@@happilyevernever4289 I don’t think it would happen basically because Johan doesn’t let anyone find out about his past, as far as u probably know he eradicated everyone that could possibly know about his past once they’ve served their purpose to him and it pretty much fits with what he wanted to be in the first place - the last person standing in the world.
light aint even that good fr i knew he was kira at the start of the show 🥱🥱
L could never
LMAO
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😂😂😂
LMAO XD
Nah, I’d outsmart them 🕺
Nah I'd win
Go/jo actually would, he's maybe not as intelligent. But he could just read their cursed energy, and being able to read that is pretty op.
@@nobodycares99 gojo would win against yuuchi , johan and loses against light because death note
We getting outsmarted by misa 😢
I mean, maybe... you might be a genius who knows
Yuichi looks the most realistic manipulator. Dude is not only a genius but also a straight oscar level actor lol
lols no his manipulation are always unrealistic
@@lightyagami4560 much more realistic than Johan's
@@nerdyballs809 In manga Yuuchi manipulates kids into behaving bad and making parents pay for good behavior, after money they act loving, after some times they start being mean to their parents again lols
And this was how tomodachi game started it was created by yuuchi
There is no context, no explanation, everything is off screen left to readers/viewers imagination,
Ayanokji and yuuchi are kind of genius that are SAID TO BE GENIUS Their feats only exist because author said so
@@lightyagami4560the most realistic manipulator is light because we can hear what he is thinking and he has real feats.
@@lightyagami4560out your mind😂, his manipulation tactics are all realistic and possible if you just sit there and read how he did
light :- outsmarting
johan:- manipulation
yuuichi :- deceiving or unpredictable
I'm not very familiar with Yuuichi, but I do agree that Light and Johan are both goated at manipulation. Light's acting and manipulation abilities are often underestimated because his ego tends to get in the way so this can make people perceive him as less intelligent than he actually is. He actively drops hints to lure L closer, driven by a desire to outmatch him in their battle of pride. The infamous potato chip scene is a prime example of Light's manipulation and acting prowess, it's been talked about to death and there are so many videos analyzing it but it's brilliant nonetheless. Throughout the series, he maintains a facade and tells lies until the very end. On the other hand, Johan is a little bit different because we're not privy to his inner thoughts and plans. We only see him in action from an external perspective, making it difficult to gauge his intentions and what he's thinking. Unlike Light, we can't discern when Johan is at a disadvantage or feeling nervous, as we're not provided insight into his thoughts. If we were unaware of Light's inner thoughts, he might appear similar to Johan, because when you think about it if we didn't see Light's inter monologue he would really be a terrifying force and for the first 25 episodes it would be a really awesome concept if we were just looking at it from L's perspective or something idk. But yeah cool video, you could make a video what if Johan got the death note or something along those lines i think it'd be a cool idea
I sort of did that in "Can Light Yagami Catch Johan Liebert" of what Johan with a death note would do! Thanks for watching also
@@AventSir Alright gonna check it out
Light gets outclassed by Yuuichi in manipulation and Deception, but yeah to say Light is bad at it like I've heard some people say is just an absolute fallacy
@@TheHandofDestiny Can't really argue since I know nothing about Yuuichi but i'll take your word for it
Thats actually pretty cool! Light and Johan will always be sm of my favorite manipulators and villains
People need to realise that ranking intellectual/manipulator characters like Johan, light, ayanokoji etc...is tough. The winner is totally determined by who is lucky tbh, like L was leagues above than light in making strategies but still got defeated cuz light had literal god of death assisting him.
Luck? Johan never had one
@@santoleskizito9583 really? Tenma chose him over another patient thus saving Johan, I'd call it luck.
@@PrinceMichael_ what do you mean? Johan was brought in first
@@santoleskizito9583 that doesn't change what I said tho
L and light were atleast comparable in making strategies
To characterize their skills we have to look at their objectives and environments. They cant be compared because they operate in entirely different zones/times, with different goals and access.
- Yuuichi is in a very restrictive and competitive environment with a very practical goal: Win and crush the game.
- Light has a suspicious environment where he constantly needs to hide. His more idealistic goal is to bring justice.
- Johan (havent completed anime) has fewer limitations and has the goal of infiltrating key institutions to spread nihilism.
All these tactics aim for completely different targets.(macro/micro - competitive/initiative/reactive)
Would light / johan win the tomodachi game?
Would Yuuichi / Light be able to influence nations and spread nihilisim?
Would johan / yuuichi successfully be kira?
Johan's goal was to just kill every existing person who knew him, then he wanted to commit a suicide. He named this suicide as 'The Perfect Suicide'. I could've added more details but since you haven't completed the anime, I don't wanna spoil the ending. :D
@@johanliebert-g9p Thanks. I have no problems with spoilers. What i said about him is an assumption based on what you just said. I interpret that he did all this to leave a lasting impact in some form, burning everything.
Johan has probably the widest range, but could lack competitive strength. Light is very strategic but can often be blinded by his narcissism. Yuuichi can go off stage and win any fight asymmetrical ... and i find it really hard to spot what Yuuichi is bad at (currently) because he is so adaptive - happy for help on this.
@@johanliebert-g9pBut what is the point of doing that
@@MK12275 to answer the question (is life equal ? what are they equal at) posed by the very start of the doctor tenma (is life equal ?) tenma answer is yes and that made johan see him as worthy to stay alive and be his executer and at the end johan gives out the second answer, all life are equal at death, aka all would die no one would survive, there no such as honorable death, disgraceful death, death is death, that's question story of johan tackle, all his manipulations and such
We all know in the case of "Light VS Johan VS Yuuichi" the winner would be Ayanokoji
This is so outta context
Ayanokoji might be smarter than all of them combined but Johan beats all of them at manipulation.
all 3 of them slam ayanokoji. ayanokoji is overrated
@@fanta_editz Nah he'd win
ayanokoji "manipulated" high school students dawg. johan manipulated grown men
Icl I feel like you could have represented yuichi better. I always feel it’s underrated how yuichi is so good at manipulation that people who know this won’t even interact with him yet he still uses that against them. Another thing is with these character you know they come on top in the end but with yuichi it really makes you wonder how when it seems as if he has lost even to the reader. Even manipulating the numbers on the board in the gambling arc was extremely impressive as he had to individually manipulate each player to win or lose certain games (which are all based on probability as it’s gambling). Really down played him here
I’ve realized that when it comes to comparing Yuuichi to other manipulators that the people comparing typical either underestimate him, underrate him or just completely disregard and misrepresent his feats
Pretty true. I'd even say that the prison game shows his manipulation even better, as there are more in-person interactions and pretty much all the clues are given.
Yeahh I really feel like Yuichi got downplayed here as well.
@@cashout6428which is why he is the best manipulator, dude the author of tomodachi game(not the drawer) is indeed a genius in terms of manipulation
@@HangMrH naw he definitely is, he has another manga series where he shows just how much of a genius he is and all the MC does is record people commenting murder
Kinda find in funny how light gets his Naomi feat and johan gets one of his most impressive on screen feats and yuuichi gets an absolute nothing feat that I’m sure 90% of people watching/reading tomodachi game forgot the details of/ forget it happened at all lol.
yuchi should have gotten better. the hole show is about him manicuring and deceiving people
Well in manga he has way better feats. As such as manipulating countless people to kill themselves and creating the tomodachi game. You cant really say he doesnt have feats.
@@sude7553 I’m talking about the feats explained in the video. My point is that the video is biased against yuuichi by virtue of giving him a nothing feat.
@@Iikunglazer you said watching/reading what were you expected me to say at all
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I think you missed the fact that to use empathy to manipulate others means he has to also understand their psyche to then go about using the best method to take advantage of them. Which is similar to what Johan does, easily putting him over Light Yagami at the very least.
I think one of the most underrated things about Katagiri Yuuichi is how well he makes use of his impression on other people to plan things ahead. He always makes himself look like an underdog and often times gets overlooked even when others know his true nature, even when he's closely being watched. I think that's way harder to pull off than what Light did.
He works great under pressure
Johan does it better than anyone, he would smell out anybody
6:36 I love your deep analysis of the Naomi Misora arc in death note. Those episodes following Raye Penber are my most favorite episodes/manga chapters because it shows so much about lights character so subtly, even his bad qualities like his desperation and haste to jump to more extreme measures.
Got johan in spot 1 he was under the most pressure 24 7 and got the most done.
I never saw him under pressure
Dude was too good 😂😂😂
Did my boy Yuuichi dirty in this one, champ. Didn't even show off his most impressive feats.
he only toook 1 feeat from each and from each and i dont think any of them had their best feats on there
Ngl, I saw this and I've only read tomodachi game but I wanted to see what the other 2 got cuz I'm sure yuuichi loses...but I'm probably just annoyed at yuuichi rn cuz of what going down currently
Yeah go d glazing to ur fav 4utism toddler
@@kirojii1913 NOT REALY MY GUY THERE WAS HEAVY FAVORITISM FOR JOHAN 13:02 even the youtuber states it was his biggest achievement I'm also not saying that Yuichi wins however @coladad has a point if there are better feats even for light that wasn't his biggest feat the whole notebook switcheroo thing THATS HIS BIGGEST FEAT
*@ColaDad
Fastest way to show winner:
Don't know Yuichi childhood, but when Light was still angsty teen, Johan age about 10/11, in Kinderheim 511 was *kept WHOLE TIME ON SLEEPING PILLS, isolated* because GOVER SOCIOPATHS were so terrified of making *any conversation* with him. It is mentioned in ANOTHER MONSTER novel, writen by Urasawa. Not just seperated from Anna, but he started being Gover-brainwashed, begging them to 'not let him forget Anna', mentioning killing anyone who took care of them, as 'being only ones in a world with Anna'.
He was making gover superhuman project institute of supersoldiers residents, that were prepared as mass killing machines(plus adults preparing them), as place to observe 'human brought together by hate', putting throne in the middle of slaughterhouse. 🔥
Then age 12 he is manipulating sister, that loves him to shoot him in a head, putting her in neverending trauma. 🤷🏻♀️
Age 15 he is said, just by using his presence, never showing persona, he ruled (decades) post WWII underworld of CZECHOSLOVAK underground criminals. Just NEVER SHOWING FACE.
By age 17 he was coresponding with serial killer and making him kill by using letters...and this is before Light even FOUND Dandy book of his. 🤷🏻♀️
Yuuichi, as much as intimidating, I don't think, that he can be perfectly selflessly evil. That is, what let Johan perfectly enter others desires on level, that Light, for example, never could.
Johan got no self worth. No deluded, Grandiose self entitlement.
Opposite to that, he feels monster for crime of living. And that never makes him commit stupid mistakes, like Light one, that comes from his Ego. Johan include free will of human and show them, there is no sense to cling to it.
Light thinking he is God, delude himself, like with Mikami actions. He think he is Godsend, even God himself, so he makes no mistake. THAT is his biggest mistake.
Johan just want to see world BURN, hoping for expiriencing excitement of true terror, like in blind veteran stories.
He feel nobody. He got long past any sense of worth. He just... Is closest, we can say, to nihilism. So when You stand in front of him, You face FUCKING MIRROR. And only plot armor, having characters so deeply pure, like Anna, or Tenma(freaking Naruto prototype) makes Johan lose.
And inability to feel, that made him unable to think about father of child stepping into his driving Tenma on evil side scheme. Because, to save this child, Tenma WOULD HAVE shoot. If not interrupted. 🤷🏻♀️
. As much, as he claim to love Anna, he in fact, like in book, wanted to devour West Monster. 🤷🏻♀️
spoilers :
Yuichi is the one who created tomadachi game and killed multiple people as a kid, though I agree johan out of the three would win, and I believe yuichi would come second and light third even though death note is my favorite anime. So I'm not riding here
@@Diamond-eq2hj Don't know much about Yuichi, but it sounds, like he, indeed, is second after Johan.
As yuuichi himself kokorogi and shinji ( his brother) yuuichi ruined so many lives. And indirectly killed too. Like kokorogis dad. Yuuichi literally mentally tortured kokorogis father and make him kill himself. Without any physical torture or help. And as he stated in chapter 115 he killed lot more like this that you cant even count.
@@sude7553 I'll say Johan, Yuichi and Note-less Light. 🤷🏻♀️
People need to read this. Johan and Yuichi are realistic kinds of evil, yes light was impressive but all I have seen was ego while on the other side, we really didn't know what Johan and Yuichi were up to, it was their actions that screamed DANGER. Johan was the most confusing character cuz all the information regarding him was limited. We basically knew him from other people's perspectives WHICH again was confusing because everyone had a different image of him. Yuichi is evil, all that friendship stuff? yes, he did care but how about he killed indirectly. Morally speaking killing is bad and he KILLED people.
I'd say Johan then light then Yuuichi.
Johan compared to light just understands the human mind to such a fundamental level to even rewrite your own thoughts
Nah you haven’t read tomodachi game
It's Johan>Yuuichi>Light
Johan is a certified brainwasher and Yuuchi is just an unhinged manipulator, but more importantly they both have no regards for preserving their ego or keeping their status. They are both constructing Ivory Towers while Light keeps playing safe trying to adjust his Jenga Tower.
@@SilverYPheonix light is better than both of them
@@lilg6615 maybe if you're blind but okay
@@lilg6615 glazer
I like how death note explains every action through internal monologues, stays practical overall and doesn't leave the thing to viewers imagination and uses off screen feats like some certain so called psychological mystery thriller anime.
i have been saying this long time light is smartest because its practical and shows his feats but ayankoji and yuuichis feats are all viewers imagination and the build ups..
Light so has so practical feat but when you talk about other smart character they are like talk stay fake and everyon
e get manipulate 😂😂
@@lightyagami4560i agree lights the most practical but yuichi isn't all imagination either if you read the manga.
@@gyrum310 I did
what anime?
Wish we could get the ACTUAL Yuuichi feats from the manga but I get it not many people read the manga.
If you do "Can L catch Yoshikage Kira" i will post a video of myself eating paper
why in the name of god would you use an anime only yuuichi feat 😭
nah its manga too, as for Yuuichi's other feats i cant speak bout them rn loool but I covered some more in my solo Yuuichi vid
@@AventSir is it for spoilers sake?
@@AventSir ;( whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@@vivid5591 kind of, but also some ppl that told me dont want me saying it till they are ready to release more info
🐐Johan : gaslighted detectives
Light : gaslighted police
Yuuichi: gaslighted his friends
But my goat
Koji: KEEPS GASLIGHTING HIMSELF + THE VIEWERS FOR 3 VOLUMES🗣🔥
🤫🧏
police? bruh, she's a former top agent of FBI, and gain respect from the detective who never fail to solve any crime
For me the issue with the comparison between Light and Yohan is that Yohans abilites go beyond realistic feasibility whereas in Lights case he has a magic book so supermanipulation isn't required to drive his story.
That one boy with the head injury from playing the suicide game Johan showed him was crazy bruh that scene gave me sm anxiety
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I never understood how light won against Naomi. I think it’s a bit of a plot hole. Naomi was far too smart to fall for something so simple. She was also insanely cautious. She was also winning. All she would need to do is get to L with her information and she would win. Why would she trust anything anyone else says? Especially since she knows l would talk to her as they have worked together before. I think this feat for light was very ex machina and doesn’t make sense. Ray penber only died because he gave his real id to someone. Naomi knowing this would have made fake ids. Even hiding her last name would be enough. As L would recognize her first name by itself. Light also gave no proof to Naomi who he was. Aside from the people at the desk recognizing him. Idk. It just doesn’t make sense to me that someone is bright would lose so easily.
Naomi first gave her fake ID.Then Light persuade her to give her real name.He used actual Psychological techiniques
Naomi was also sad about losing her husband
@@Blazeinferno1000 This still felt cheap, Light was so suspicious, keep checking his watch, trying to get her name, telling her not to talk to L and make himself the middleman. He was way too desperate for my liking. Naomi only dies here because the author had two choices, have two strong rivals on Light's behind when he is already suspected by both of them, or get the shinigami eyes, which will mean quick death to L.
For me, this is a Final Getsuga Tenshou/asspull of the series.
I heard something about how the author had originally planned to have naomi join the task force, but realized she knew too much so sh had to be deleted to keep the story going
6:45 Lights best feets were when he manipulated his own future self into doing what he planned while his memories were lost
Another great video. Avent just doesn't miss.
Thanks!!!
Interesting take as always 👍
I've seen enough Makima solos
Lmao
Smartest makima fan
I believe Johan is a master manipulator.
Fodder
Amon no diffs that cringe blonde's ass in everything
Johann is overrated and his manipulations are more unrealistic
Johans feat is the most impressive by far 💀
By feats in this video
Johan >>>> Light > Yuuichi
That's true Johan is the only guy from anime that can face joker
Richard was already a broken man, All Johan did was guilt trip him, took him to the terrace and passed him alcohol. I am sure most manipulators would pull that off.
Aside from that most of his feat are offscreen, and offscreen feats are useless. I
Can make a character and say that he conquered the world without justifying how.
He is not really that great, his nihilist nature is what makes him a good villian.
The reason why Light is often underestimated is because we actually get to know his thought process, we see when he panics or when he is confused or when he actually struggles because he does face much harder opponents. we get to understand why he achieves what he achieves, we understand it so we think it must simple.
I will say making a super intelligent women who has major trust issues give information that can potentially k*ll her is harder than making an already depressed guy k*ll himself under influence.
Also he didn't cover yuichis best feats from the manga. Yuichi has on-screen feats in manga that maybe even ranks him at the top.
Keep up the good work man
Appreciate it
Monster has been and always will be my favorite anime
And my rank goes Johan, yuuichi, and light
the difference is the level of competition light faced vs the others. Light was basically going against the entirety of the smartest people in the world. He wasnt playing cops or randos with personal issues.
how light beat ray pember and getting rid of EVERY agent in the world is much smarter than anything else here
I will watch Monster and then I will come back to watch this.
I think the difference between Light and Johan is interesting. Light obviously plays off his charisma, his "purity", and his influence, leading them to open up about who they are, making it easier to pry inside them. Johan on the otherhand, goes in knowing what he needs to know from the very beginning, and he establishes a curiosity on his part from the person. After that, he tends to isolate them, make them feel alone, and make sure that the only comfort they can find, is in him. During that process, he essentially leads them down a rabbit hole, unraveling their sense of self, convincing them of terrible things but justifying it to appease them, effectively breaking their ego. Not ego in the sense of pride, but ego in the sense of who they are.
Wow, Johan is literally me.😈😈
Nice bro
Wowzers
Light: Manipulates people to tell their real names to him
Yuiichi: Manipulates people to cut off their all fingers
Johan: Manipulates people to suicide and murder others
@@तेजसरजनीशखरे read the whole manga then talk about yuichi he is more than that
@@revantveersingh8665 I am also not including the manga version of Johan and Light. Let's wait for Tomodachi Game Season 2.
Love your content 😊😊😊
great video, in my opinion they should without a doubt be ranked Johan > Yuuichi > Light
the only true ranking
johan > friend > light > lelouch > yuuichi > ayanokoji > eren
Ayanokoji > light and lulu
In what?
@@Bic-daxc69 no good feats sorry
@@5aiv. Not sure his indirect manipulation of ryuen solos the list in indirect manipulation
His logical manipulation highly outdoes everyone else on this list as well
Eren is such a retarded take this nigga could see the future
ayanokoji also has a feat about manipulation.. first thing that comes to mind is kushida's arc on paper shuffle.. she almost got expelled if the tides shifted slightly on ayanokoji's whim.. ayanokoiji's pawn is only kei at that karaoke's room but he predicted what would happen in that room 1 to 1 and he manage to set a trap to kushida without her knowing.. she only learns about it after ryuen told her(i dont know what happen in the anime but thats what happen in ln)
nice Video!!
Imagine Johan Liebert With Carnage Symbiote
Hold up, why isn't Ayanokoji in this video? I am damn sure he fits in with the theme of the character selection here.
Bro ngl hes overrated asf 😂
@@hazardcyber3347I agree
naw, Fang Yuan.
Ppl hype up light a lot I feel like ppl over look the mountain of hax and advantages he had and that he still technically lost. L knew it was him even with the memory wipe he knew the problem he had is that how do you explain death god in court
Yeah because L is just as smart as Light. But both trash on Johan.
and by the way in manipulation Johan wins in iq and strategy light and yuki hi wins in
Bro what😂 light takes fsiq strategy and planning from both of them
Johan is only better at sq and manipulation but Light is a lot smarter
@@1กฤตภาสวิจารณกรณ์ not really Johan is pretty smart too. Pure manipulation can't let a nation believe a person is dead while he exists.
@@ThorfinnBus Light is smarter tho
@@ThorfinnBus faking identity is not that hard
Yuichi did the same feat of Johan but more times than Johan. Yuichi ==Johan, but with a conscious that he later gained. This is what makes him a true hero.
Your video is consistently perfect as usual, you never miss a detail. Yuuichi utilizes basic manipulation techniques that are commonly employed by manipulators in real life, rendering him the most basic and realistic intelligence(I don't mean its simple or everyone use it, but like the common one in our society, and can be mastered by anyone, if he has the character for it) . On the other hand, Light takes greater risks, and his techniques cannot be mastered by everyone, they seem more like a rare gift bestowed upon a select few by the creator. Individuals like Johan stand above everyone else, a portrayal that, while not entirely unrealistic, is exceedingly rare in reality. Encountering someone like Johan is akin to finding a needle in a haystack, perhaps only one in ten million or even fewer. My assessment of these characters is grounded in real-life scenarios.
However, characters like L, while not manipulative, possess feats that are incredibly unrealistic. The writers themselves finds it difficult to craft better narratives for them or adjust their abilities to match a more believable level of intelligence. After all, the ceiling of realistic intelligence is ultimately defined by the intelligence of the writers themselves.
johan manipulated fodders, light easily slams
@@godtiersiege2920End the World > Becoming a Wannabe God
Also Johan would've actually succeeded in his plans to end the world (most likely by causing nuclear war judging from context clues in the manga) if it weren't for him encountering the "Nameless Monster" story book again and changing his plans.
Atleast you thought about the writers
no need for biasing here, bro I translated death note and I know a lot of details so saying that Light slams is kinda crazy, Johan is jack the ripper of monster .@@godtiersiege2920
@@yoriavila4308 ok? light still had moree influence than Johan ever had. Light literally had control over all of the police in the world.
Aizen: “All according to keikakku”
johan clearly the smartest out of all of them still all ayanokoji victims tho
Yohan and Light easily defeat Koji.
i think Light is the smartest, but Johan is the best at things like manipulation.
I thought Johan threw the detective off the building himself. The detective had so much to live for
Uh what about if we add ash Ketchum to the mix
ayo what
That would be like putting an ant against an elephant, Ash is on another league
@@Andres.Duran.J I know, he’d absolutely demolish them, wouldn’t even be fair
yuichi has also got people to kill themselves just to a more minor degree basically manipulated his kidnapper into losing his whole gang (and if he wasn't stopped 4 of his fingers) made the tomadachi game in the first place as a way to destroy friend ships and the whole story is basically mocking a copy of his original game and destroying competition just to fuck with the copy cat games
he also got a kidnapper to hand him a loaded gun somehow
nah imo Johan and yuuichi above light or yuuichi above all of them
Yuuichi also understands human nature and can read people like books
Amazing video! What are your thoughts on L vs johan? We have established you think L beats light, and Johan beats light…. So…. I guess it’s highly dependent on the game they play.
How old is Johan at his peak? He feels older to me than Light. At a similar age; I can see Light theoretically gaining an edge on him.
Kinderheim is completely explained in the LN.
W video!
I read it
It hasn't been completely explained we never know what johan said to those instructors and kids
I know in the comment section, that people are talking about who's better and smarter among these three. But I've to say, no one can beat Johan Liebert when it comes to manipulation, deception, and gaslighting. I watched all 3 of the shows but "Monster" is that one series that always kept me on the edge of my seat. And since the story of "Monster" is told from Dr. Tenma's perspective and half of Johan's devious actions happen off-screen, it makes Johan even more terrifying. You just don't know what he's gonna do next. Unlike Light Yagami, Johan isn't a narcissist and doesn't care about winning or losing (that also makes him more terrifying than Light). Also, Johan being trained to become this "perfect soldier" at Kinderheim 511 orphanage and him having those other kids and instructors fight and kill each other, all while simply sitting in a chair at the top of the main staircase, watching calmly as the massacre ensued and the orphanage burned down when he was still just a kid; this puts him on a pedestal above and beyond Light and Yuuichi. And Johan pointing his forehead with an unfazed look on his face while challenging his opponents to shoot him at the pointed spot as he looks at them in the eye... I don't think any other villain in anime/manga history has the balls to do such a thing let alone Light and Yuuichi (excluding those shounen anime/manga villains who have superpowers to protect or heal themselves; they're not included in this discussion).
Anyway, all in all, Johan Liebert wins.
war in comments official
Gonna have to go with Yohan > Yuuichi > Light.
Yohan is simply too much, manipulating many people to commit suicide.
Yuuichi, however, can instantly read people and consistently manipulates them perfectly. He also identifies holes in systems instantly, and perfectly preys on them.
Light hasnt shown himself on Yuuichi’s level, imo
Can you do friend vs light who is the better manipulator
Loved Richard as a character I was heartbroken when he died he was fixing his life and everything.
Simply put I feel Yuichi after chapter 122 is literally one of the best manipulators (realistic situations) of all time. His practical knowledge and fluid intelligence is exemplified by his insane strategies and plans but the best part is... we still dont know the full extent of his abilities. While the death note manga and monster manga are over tomodachi game is still going on and we dont know the full extent of his abilities yet and i believe it will get revealed soon.
In case of Johan and Light I have to say that when it comes to FSIQ they are deffo better than yuichi and many yuichi meatriders will say he takes FSIQ by a mile which is simply untrue. Also out of the three Johan has the highest FSIQ.
My conclusion is, as of chapter 122 of TDG i have to say Yuichi is slightly better than both. Also I have to point this out which is something i have seen in many of these debates. Just because Yuichi > Johan and Johan > Ayanokoji (For example) doesnmt mean Yuichi is better than koji. The situation will always be different.
So In my Opinion
Yuichi > Light (Very High Diff - Extreme Diff)
Yuichi > Johan (Extreme Diff - Insane Diff)
Johan > Light (Extreme Diff)
It could go either way but in a situation where Johan or Light wins i feel it should be very high diff to say the least.
Again its just my opinion
Yuuichi vs Koji iyo?
@@partyvietnamcommunist4829 Idk tbh but if i were to say at the current state of TDG and after reading LN of Cote prolly
Yuichi > Ayanokoji (Very High Diff- Extreme Diff)
or
Ayanokoji > Yuichi (Extreme Diff)
Reason is simple really, I feel like when it comes to outsmarting or manipulation really yuichi is really underestimated. He also is an amazing strategist but ayano takes strategy by a tiny bit but planning goes to yuichi so does creativity. He is also very good at analogical reasoning (acc to my brother who has read both mangas and has a psychology degree). According to him Yuichi is actually somewhat better when it comes to outsmarting simply due to
1. Unpredictability
2. Manipulation
Two categories Yuichi No-Low Diffs ayano in.
Its not too complex but I would give maybe the benefit of the doubt to Yuichi in NFS and give him Overall Strategy
Side note:- My brother also said Takuya is the ONLY person who has the ability to take at least 2-3 EQ cats from yuichi coz thats just how good and high his EQ really is.
For example Ayano max gets 2 EQ cats in fact if u ask me I wouldnt give him either. Also kind of a hot take but i might give pain tolerance to yuichi due to the difference in scenario
@@talentedinu4281 Yuuichi strategies are relies too much on luck, that why people often scale him low
@@talentedinu4281 also this is a second time I have seen a basketball player pfp in this community aside from the "libbutown" ( whatever Idont remember) guy
@@partyvietnamcommunist4829 i just really like bball
Light is pretty, actually very impressive but I'd put Yuuichi over him and Johan at the very top as he not only convinced one, but numerous people to commit suicide
Imo Johan is best manipulater
I want to see a Johan vs Ayanokoji.
I edge to your videos.
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Damn beo is here for the johan appreciation 🥶🐐
Light outsmarting 2 of them at the same time with high diff
Johan has to be the most overrated villain of all time (spoilers for Monster).
His feats of intelligence and manipulation are all done off screen because Urasawa pretty much realised that they are implausible, which is why I find it strange that people say he’s a realistic villain or that he has no supernatural powers. The only people we saw him manipulate on-screen were children and that alcoholic detective. This is why I think it’s hilarious when his fans claim that he can manipulate anyone even characters like the Joker, Hannibal Lecter, Griffith, Light Yagami, Lelouch, Aizen, Makishima, L, etc. Those guys have shown more impressive on-screen feats than Johan ever did. There’s no proof that Johan can manipulate a normal adult (except for the stories we hear about him from other characters in the show) let alone masterminds like the ones I mentioned.
He also made a serial killer commit suicide. Sounds like you don't like Johan very much
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Can you pls explain how Johan manipulated that serial killer.
what an idiotic explanation HAHAHAHA, you clearly don't understand something without explanation and what do you even mean all done by his off screen feats? you saw him manipulated a detective into committing a suicide right? that alone is a feat and he literally orchestrated everything in the entire series bruh johan will have more elaborate on screen feats and outsmarting feats if the author wants him to but nah he prefers johan to be more mysterious because that his character is all about and the entire series 🥱
Y’all do not know about Baku Madarame from Usogui 😭
I think yuuichi he's the best among them
Why is Light even here? Overhalf of Light’s feats are in favor of another person. What people don’t talk about, is how much his father and Ryuk carried him. In the beginning of the series Light was about to view classified information through his dad’s computer. His dad cleared his name by intervening and tried to thwart L from accusing Light every chance he got. He also asked Ryuk to check for cameras/bugs in his room. Lights feats are nothing short of supernatural, circumstance, and luck. Whereas L had to figure everything out on his own. And did, but had to prove it. The rest of the people listed use true manipulation. Light is a social engineer.
What a great analysis! In manipulation I have yuuichi>Johan>light tho
Thanks for watching bro
Bro Johans feat was so much better than Yuuichis
@@Lilbuptown off screen *
@@akim1909 Johans Richard feat is literally all on screen
@@Lilbuptown oh my bad I meant overalls feats but yea this one analized was better
Nah bro yuuichi during the gambling arc def puts him above light
They all placed in a room an one has to came out alive I will bet on Johan to make it out with no scratch 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Johan is unrivalled imo. In other characters they have a goal and a reason to fight. In Johan's case he couldn't care less about his life, to him it was all just a game. That's what makes him so terrifying, somebody so charming who wants to erase everything around him and if that includes his own self, so be it.
Johan is overrated in manicuplation. Even ayonkoji , light , Yucchi karagiri are far better than him. Atleast we see him how he did this and how did he pull behind the scene but in Johan case it's told to us (90% of the times), the left 10% is good like Richard one but 90% times it's just off screen. Example:- Johan manicuplation 50 PPL to K!II themselves but it's never shown to us how did he do that. It's always like that oh here's Johan he just manipulated the shit out of a whole city" like wtf when where how?
you dont know what youre talking about, johan wins thats it stop talking and my friend here wants to tell you something she said youre gay and thats pretty funny 🙂
>Uses Lights plot armor against Naomi as his best manipulation feat
Lmao
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Johan is on another level.but can we have manipulation analysis of ayanokoji kiyotaka also?
I'd scale johan>light>yuuichi however i'd like to point out another feat from johan: towards the end of the series he cured alzheimer out of a old lady by just talking to her, that feat is virtually unheard of
bro tf Yuuichi is much more manipulative than light , full fucking stop
@@ArjunkashyapGarladinne tell that to naomi misora, who is a certified genius, Soichiro, Misa, Takada, the rest of the task force, the japanese police, the american government and to a god
@@ΦάντασματοῦΘεοῦ Bruh I admit that he was able to deceive Naomi but Misa just wanted a fucking boyfriend and she aint intelligent. he was able to deceive the task force because he was killing the criminals himself and that goes for the Japanese police but where tf did the American government come from and a god?? what are u rambling on bout bro??? also yuuichi also did not have the one weakness light had : ego. but the only thing i agree with you is that johan liebert is top g
Bro reallyyy well made video😍😍❤❤
Forget about Yuuichi dude, shinichi akiyama from liar game and tokuchi toua from one outs are goated
I'd really love a Fyodor Dostoevsky vs Dazai Osamu from BSD video essay 😭🙏🏽
me watching this video and relizing i used these manipulation tacticts without even knowing
Wow this vid was very interesting, and I agree with you bro
goku still solos
Richard didn't get manipulated by johan it was a murder johan made it look like suicide Richard resisted johans manipulation and refused to fall back into alcohol johan just pushed of Richard and dropped the bottle on him to make it look like a suicide
They'd find the fingerprints from that, and Occam's razor this interpretation makes very little sense
Johan is more terrifying.
Fodder
Judge holden no diffs in writing
Idk what u say but johan is a walking death note
Johan would literally unwind Yuuichi like a spool of yarn. The more interesting idea would be testing Johan against Light. If only someone made a TH-cam video about that premise...
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