Forgot to add at 14:44 : There would have also been an amazing parallel between this scene and the scene where Mikasa stabbed the kidnapper from behind when she and Eren were kids. Whats even better is that this scene was already referenced earlier in the table scene as well, so the reader could have made that interpretation immediately.
I Have Theory ....This Scene Was Purely For Emotional Manipulation....There's No Story Or Weight To This Scene At All.... Ofc He Wasn't Telling The Truth ..How Tf Did He Go From " I'll Always Wrap Your Scarf Mikasa" To "I've All Ways Hated You" ????.. And The More You Think About It This Scene Gets Worse ...Let's Say The Ending Was The "100% Rumbling Ending" Then Why Did He Say This If He Definitely Was Going To Kill Everyone...It Wouldn't Make Sense.. Which Futhers My Theory That The Ending That We Got Was PLANNED!!!!... Any Changes To The Ending Happened YEARSSSS Ago .. This Wasnt Some Rushed Ending ...THIS WAS PLANNED And Was Always Going To End Like This
@@shavaughnhendrickson1866 DOESN'T change the fact that the characters were assassinated. So u want your characters to play like plot devices just in order to reach a certain "planned" ending? Of course we know Isayama lost the balls to make an ending which actually stays true to the characters and the story, just because a "dark" ending wouldn't have been handled well by kids online (who of course shouldn't even watch a series like AoT to begin with)
What bullshit is this ,see dude This scene is a masterpiece ,not a mistake,you are completely misunderstanding the point of this scene ,there is nothing wrong with this scene ,
@@demdil76 If Isayama wanted Eren to die for nothing and make Mikasa the main character, he missed the opportunity for that when Eren got eaten in chapter 4.
Your version of Eren beating the hell out of Armin is infinitely better than the OG material. I didn't even feel bad for Armin in that scene because he brought it on himself by punching Eren, but those words would have had so much more impact without ruining any of the characters.
@@rickchakraborty2087 At first I thought Isayama was building it up so that it could fall apart later but it didn't take long to see where it was really heading when the characters were just acting stupid and borderline out of character
Something which always bothered me with this scene is the initial reaction Armin and Mikasa display towards Eren. He strolls in and starts acting and talking like a villain, and his two best friends, close to him as siblings, which supposedly know him more than anyone else, act scared by Eren's threats. Eren has a cut on his palm and implicitly threatens to shift if they don't "keep their hands on the table". If this scene was consistent with the AoT narrative up to that point, Armin should've looked him in the eyes and said "I don't believe for one single second that you're going to hurt us if we don't 'kEeP oUr hAnDs oN tHe tAbLe'". That's where it would've made sense for Eren to beat the shit out of him, to prove a point. Instead both Armin and Mikasa act like they're being held at gunpoint by strangers, stammering and tearing up when Eren threatens and belittles them. Moreover, they tell Eren that they believe Yelena and Zeke are manipulating him. Now I'm not a psychiatrist or anything, but just imagine going to your friend and telling them "you know, I thought you're being manipulated". If your friend is not being manipulated, they're obviously going to tell you "no I'm not". But if your friend is indeed being manipulated, they're not aware of said manipulation, because if they were, the manipulation wouldn't work. So they would still tell you "no I'm not". What did exactly Armin and Mikasa hoped to accomplish by asking him that? Eren telling them "yes, Zeke is manipulating me, I'm not doing things by my own decisions. Thank you for asking!" ? It's a dumb ass nonsense conversation from start to finish.
Obviously they weren't expecting any confirmation from him. Obviously eren would say "no I am not" They were just simply telling him what they think could be a possibility. Well, if your friend says "no, I am not" you would say "thats what I though you would say". Even if they think that might not be true, they would personally want to belive any possibility that could be a cause to eren's unusual behavior. They would say that because Like, bruh, it's your closest friend that just suddenly acting all villiany, and distancing from you for a while and you have seen him killing all those innocent children and civilians without a sign of remorse and even broke out of the jail with no regards to all the superiors and made a whole team called yeagerists that has been causing chaos in the island, taking everyone as hosts and even killing the court judge with an explosion. And eren himself is looking intimidating. Anyone would be scared if him at that point no matter how close they are to him. That's why it would make sense for mikasa and Armin to act like that in shock. There might be so many questions and emotions flowing through their mind all at once that they don't know how to act because its obvious eren isn't the same person anymore. He was the one who led everyone in the Marley and used them and Sasha died because of him and he is still acting like he doesn't care and just keeps moving to his personal goal See, that's the problem you completely disregarding the context and instead only focusing on the characters rather than only try to look at the situation they are put on
Random comment Rest In Peace Kentaro Miura, Berserk will truly go down as one of the greatest stories ever told. Thank you for writing this masterpiece. U will be missed 🙏
It seems like 2021 is a bad year for manga with this trash AoT ending and now Miura-sensei’s death I wish his family the best and hope they’re doing well
@@lucrativelucas2655 Not to mention the perpetual Hunter X Hunter hiatus But what's new there right I swear the mangka is gonna die before the story is finished just like Berserk. If he wasn't so damn prideful and I could easily argue greedy he would have passed the manuscript on to somebody else or at least the ability to draw the story to somebody else so at least we would have the chance of the story being done in any of our lifetimes a long time ago. I think it's about time we force him to do so here's hoping he has a Twitter.
If Eren reveled his true plan in this chapter this also should have been when Armin decided to make his own faction. In the manga Armin mentions releasing 100 wall titans a couple if times to destroy Marley allied forces. If Eren told them he wanted to do a full rumbling this is when Armin should have taken charge and become the next Erwin.
@@SAGEjutsu But it would be the only way to turn them against him without any inconsistencies. If he doesn't tell them his plan, they won't really be against him because they'd still be thinking that he is acting in a way to save them with a partial rumbling rather than save them by destroying the world.
8:58 I agree with you. This kid stood down a battalion of soldiers and cannons as a fifteen-year-old, he has shown that he can repress emotion when he needs to
If anyone wants to justify Armin "acting out of character" because he was emotional, then that just means that Eren trust is misplaced with Armin to broker peace with the world. Imagine Armin just flipping out at an ambassador from another nation because they insult his best friend Eren or Eldians due to the animosity brought about from the rumbling. I never really realized how odd it is that Armin didn't argue with logic but instead resorted to violence so quickly. He's the one that kept on wanting to talk to Eren in this arc and he's been calm under pressure in much more tense scenarios, even in more emotional moments like when Annie/Reiner betrayed them or just after he thought Eren died the first time.
I agree but don't you think Armin is allowed to be emotional here?? like eren is not Annie or Reiner, he is armins childhood friend, the very first one to befriend him. They grew up together, were together even before Mikasa came into their life. I think Armin acting emotional and being a little hypocritical is allowed. Because we humans don't always follow our own rules. It's only our close relations that bring in our worst and best versions I beleive.
@@drishyam272 Okay, but what purpose does it serve to show Armin resorting to violence so easily in this scene? At best it just paints Eren in a good light, since even Armin can't argue against Eren's logic but instead resorts to petty violence, something Armin has never been shown to do. At worst, it just degrades Armin's character showing that he can't be trusted to be rational when it comes to Eren, which has not been the case previously. In the past Armin has kept his cool while disagreeing with Eren, during the death of his close ones (including Eren the first time) and even facing his own death. There were ways write around this issue while still preserving Armin as a character and having the same key scenes play out. I understand that humans are realistically hypocritical in high stress situations, but I think this scenario is much less serious compared to situations Armin has gone through in the past. Even if this is a "logical" breaking point for Armin, what's the point of showing us this? It has no major relevance to the plot going forward nor do I think that it really humanizes or develops Armin's character. Ultimately, if he can't keep his cool when it comes to Eren, why are we as an audience supposed to think he can be trusted with one of the most daunting tasks in human history, brokering peace, especially when the world directs their hate towards Eren for the rumbling. Negotiations could possibly break down if they insult Eren too much, since there's now a precedent that Armin is much more easily triggered when Eren is involved.
@@drishyam272 Him being emotional is fine, but resorting so easily violence isn't needed. The first instinct of Armin has always been shown to think things through, where he''s never just attacked someone in blind rage in the past.
I don't think arming punching eren is out of character, ok he said violence isn't solution and said peoples using violence are the one who are wrong but, 1 : nobody's perfect And 2 : he punched eren for hurting mikasa not for what eren said before
Eren being the one to hit Armin first just ties in so well with Armin's words early on in the series: "You know what I'm saying is right. That's why the only answer you have for me is your fists." I've been so confused by Isayama for not circling back to this line of dialogue and have Armin stay in character. Your rewrite is so much better and just makes more sense to me. I hate how Mikasa just stood there like a wet paper towel while Eren beat up Armin too. Hello? You're an Ackerman worth a 100 soldiers. Do something??
I like your version of making Gabi useful. It would’ve been cool if she charged Eren with the knife exactly like how Mikasa charged the dude choking Eren when they were kids.
I think you understand Armin and Eren way much better than isayama himself. To be honest, what i really liked about this show was the action, the titans and the many unsolved misteries, not the complexity of the characters.
If only what Eren said was true, if only he did truly hate Mikasa. The story would’ve been better if Eren never lied to himself. Shame, so sad. RIP pre 139 Eren.
That wouldn’t make sense tho, eren never hated his friends, especially with the reasons he gave. It’s been foreshadowed multiple times, “to save mikasa, armin, and everyone else”
@@saintitchief bruh you sound dumb af lmao, eren always cared for his friends, its obvious and that would never change, saving armin and mikasa is important to him, thats why that line has been repeated
@@Bestintheinternet at first i hated eren didn't wanted to watch the show But after watching and reading manga He was the real hero and always will be no matter what other say He sacrified everything for his friend and love And i don't think except mikasa other friends didn't care for him like:- jean & conny they just hated him from the beginning and after sasha died they just wanted to get rid of him... They only give shit after they die & fuck with making hero to armin i had choose erwin rather than armin If erwin was alive the story had been change in different way.....
if you want to have a conversation with me I’m open to it, but the insults gotta stop. I’ll let it slide this one time. Now once again, you can dislike someone and protect them at the same time. You can dislike someone yet want them to be safe. This happens all the time and anyone who is emotionally mature can understand this concept.
Armong hates violence then proceeds to attack eren because he hurts mikisa feelings. in stead of using his brain and asking proper stuff .Chapter 139 armin puts mikisa feelings above the whole world instead of asking eren logical questions he only cares about why u hurt mikisa🤦♂️eren was speaking facts and armong after timeskip he became useless and stupid
@@marshalsoult3860 tbh mikasa x armin doesn’t bother me. It's the only relationship mikasa had that was free from any manipulation. They went through a lot together and armin respects her even more than eren. Mikasa x armin makes more sense than armin x annie.
It would’ve have been interesting if eren threatened to kill gabi in-front of armin and mikasa to truly show that he’s willing to kill anyone to reach his goal. Then maybe armin would have called out eren’s bluff or something
Also you could make Armin try to attack Eren, only to be stopped by Mikasa, at which point Armin would be slapped back to reality and ask himself WTF is he doing trying to attack Eren. That would leed to him doubting himself, cause he never acted in this manner, proving Eren might be right. Then he would try to argue with Eren, during which Eren might get provoked to beat him to a pulp. Litterelly the same sceene with 3 new pannels and it would make sense, but after war everybody's a general.
this would also be fine. As long as the story addresses that Armin was behaving as a hypocrite I would have no issues with it, but instead the story doubles down on the fact that the story believes Eren was wrong for hitting Armin back lol
I think, the main reason why the scene fails is the "persona" hypothesis that is subsequently confirmed. Eren expressing his true mind here would be much better because he was essentially saying the truth about Armin's and Mikasa's passivity and ignorance...
Seeing Paradis literally flat out genocided from the outside world launching nuclear weapons on them was the best part of Attack on Titan! And as usual, FMA Brotherhood remains as the Emperor of GOAT Anime Endings!
@@anithusiast. many garbage ass series also does forshadowing but it dosnt matter cause the forshadowing should up lead to something great its a lame excuse by them TBH
They are now saying the ending makes sense cause of a philosophical message about life doesn't matter and saying its "UnIqUe." Smh if that message was true then why didn't the Alliance let Eren go through with it? Why didn't Eren turn his back on the sea after season 3 part 2 and just started a farm? Why did Zeke not just quit being a Warrior after his family was taken?
if armin actually did die and erwin got the titan power instead. I wonder who it would of been handle. maybe even at the table scene instead of armin it be jean sitting there instead. connie could possibly be there too but it would make more sense for jean to be the one to punch eren in that scene to defend mikasa. also eren and jean have been rivals and fought alot so it would of had alot of deeper meaning.
The whole season 4 become a simp simulator its frustrating 😭😭😭 you have mikasa falco armin for some reason and then ymir comes up to also become a simp,,,what happen to the script its weirddd ahahah
FINALLY table video, I won’t say my opinion on it until the vid releases but right now I honestly think the table scene was great, at least at the time it was created
I think what you said was good, but I think Gabi should of been the reason why Eren came to see all three of them. He came to use Gabi as an example of a slave, a reason why hatred exist, and to show the rumbling was needed. Then Gabi finally admits she was wrong, everything she believed in was a lie. She would break down as she tells Eren, as it would callback to when Eren broke down. After that then I would have Armin would join the conversation, to back up Gabi and what you said would follow. Eren tells his plans, Armin talks about Eren’s mom, Eren punches Armin and Gabi tries to kill Eren. Eren is saved by Mikasa and the guards show. BUT before Eren leaves after being saved, he tells Mikasa she is a slave and that he hates her. Then she slaps him before he walks out, holds her ground and contest her love. Saying she only wanted to be with him and for all the fighting to stop. She doesn’t care if she a slave because she loves Eren. Eren pauses.. and leaves without a response. If she cries at this point it would be fine, because she loves Eren but is conflicted by his plans and actions. Armin tries to comfort Mikasa, while Gabi is still mentally breaking down.
I think it was obvious from the very beginning that Eren didn't really hate them in that scene, as we would've find out some chapter later, and that he said those words to just push them away. He couldn't have explained his plan to them (whatever that was originally) because he knew they wouldn't understand it and he couldn't trust them, the same way they couldn't understand and accept that side of his personality that had always been latent in him and was now showing itself in full light. I think only Historia knew the whole story, because there was a special complicity between them, but we don't know what they said to each other... About Mikasa, I think she was so shocked by Eren's fake revelation about the Ackermann's blood that she started to doubt herself to the point that it was shattering her, hence her reaction (in the anime this is shown better). Anyway she always had a delusional view about him and about his motivations, we see this on different occasions. She has always been in love with an idealized image of him, along with having a serious emotional dependence problem due to her childhood trauma, and he couldn't understand her feelings, at least until everything was retconned in a cheesy way. I agree completely with everything else you said: Armin is very poorly written in that scene (Bertholdt's influence showing up, perharps? But the topic was never developed further) and your rewriting of it that also gives Gabi a purpose is much, much better.
Not really Mikasa has just not taken the dark side of him Eren has a dark side which he himself loathes and a good side which he uses to wrap scarf around mikasa The good side is protecting others and taking care of them and providing warmth And dark side is when he killed those sex slavers mercilessly saying they deserved it This creates duality to him This is why he was crying like a child in front of Ramzi revealing how he did all he did not to protect eldia specifically but more so because his dream of a free world that he saw in armins book was never there. All he did was to protect his friends and realize his unattainable childish sense of freedom. This is why he had a low sense of self worth and he went to armin and mikasa and told them bad things because he knows that if he is connected to them he won't be able to do one of the most atrocious acts ever done in history of humankind. What makes it interesting is that eren himself has enemy titan within himself and has balls to suggest armin is being controlled by bertolt. He has grishas memories, it means now he loves his own mom and Dina? And then eren says "I am free" even though he is just following a future event he saw through fathers memories. He isn't free, he never was and be never will be with the idea of freedom he has.
20% of the world: we don’t want a peace treaty. Armin: punches someone at the meeting. Get out!! Reiner: what happened Armin: they um said they’ll think about it hehe🤡
It's sad that the eventually resolution between Gabi & Sasha's family, didn't mirror the actual ending. Instead, they made fake peace, by doing the same thing to the world, that King Reiss & the Tyburs did to the subjects of Ymir.
@@lermadaniel that resolution happened organically & has a great message, unlike the one we got. How the entire plotline played out was realistic & was all about adults taking responsibility in stopping hate from spreading to the children, to stop the cycle. The girl Sasha saved let go of her vengeance, maybe she even forgave Gabi, but she didn't become buddy buddy with her. A key factor to making the ending similar to that scene, would be for Margath to survive & fulfil the role of Sasha's dad but for Marley instead of Nicolo. His character arc was centred around seeing the truth of the situation, and if he survived, Yams could've had eren do a small rumbling but get genuinely confronted by Armin & Co. They'd earn the hero status (to us readers) & Margath could vouch for them. Plus, as the highest ranking general, he'd be able to change Marley's policies, like he'd been trying to do. Wars wouldn't be stopped but as long as both Paradis & Marley pay reparations for damages caused by a much smaller rumbling, they could buy more time for a realistic diplomatic resolution (what the survey corps were striving for). So, Eren would've stayed true to himself, Armin & Co would've stepped up, even Historia could've acted like a real head of state. Ymir was waiting for Sasha to leave the forest lool seriously though, she was the character that best embodied connecting with strangers through the simple things we all share.
“Armin was not objectively a threat to Eren in that scene at all” I mean, technically he could transform into The Colossal Titan and instantly kill everyone in the building and the town block if he wanted to tho... 😂
I’m crying right now you just hi highlighted every point that i was pointing out from how all the characters or most of the characters were ruined just to present the new Eren who people hyped up to be a badass
Yeah cuz if Eren hit Armin for a perfect counter argument then the audience would look at him as some hypocritical angsty teen asshole who is stuck in his own mind and the rest of the plot would probably be in shambles...
@@vintce6019 i mean for me i liked Armin a lot pre time skip he was phenomenal and could have been the new Erwin in terms of leading. Now when he got colossal titan he became a coward???? Talk no jutsu?????? Where did Armin go Mikasa cries just because Erin told her he hates her, where did the strong and mother caring Mikasa go ? She never cried pre time skip A lot of things happened just to make Erin looks so cool to the audience, this is why i stopped caring for AOT yet still was eager to see how it ended
I was slightly spoiled this scene in advance through a thumbnail, I expected it to be heartbreaking and impactful but after finally seeing it, I was left with the feeling that something was really off and not in a good or intended way. Once again you have a great way of putting those feelings into words and adding some very reasonable points in addition. This scene is a great example showing how much some characters regressed post-timeskip.
I love your rewrite of this manga scene especially of Armin and I guess for me regarding his character when he was younger he should've asked his friends to teach him how to fight
@@itrrii6582 Yeah but he did it to fleshed out the theme "Freedom" more which is ironic since eren & eldians aren't. Isayama can literally avoid this mess in just one chapter. This is the scenario i made he could possibly go with: "Eren used the founders ability to alter eldians memories/mind that everything happened from chapter 137 to 139 is just a fabrication set up [To add shock value] to avoid armin & friends to get hurt or killed by the rumbling... After the rumbling is complete eren can just undo the mind altering then his friends just saw the aftermath, shocked, that all this time its just an illusion and the reality is that Humanity outside the wall.. is Dead. And one last time, the freedom man said to all eldians from paradis. while holding historia's child or baby eren from past: YOU ARE FREE.. the end." I know there's a plot hole there but im sure isayama can patch that up. If that happened then Eren will certainly be one of the greatest MC there is.
@@jei7129 so basically anything close to that of the AnR ending would have made the ending a masterpiece, this is exactly why people keep saying AnR SHOULD have been canon
@@rickchakraborty2087 What's AnR? But yeah it'll make the ending a masterpiece and much more sense since Eren is literally godlike in founding form. Makes no sense for him to lose a battle with that much capabilities, add to that.. That no one in Alliance side have casualties during the final 3 chapters. The 1st ending we got is disney end which doesn't fit AoT but the new ending? kinda fitting but still worse.
I already knew about the weak points of these crucial scene. I loved your video because after explaining these points, you present an alternate version which flows well with all elements already present. Great work.
I Have Theory ....This Scene Was Purely For Emotional Manipulation....There's No Story Or Weight To This Scene At All.... Ofc He Wasn't Telling The Truth ..How Tf Did He Go From " I'll Always Wrap Your Scarf Mikasa" To "I've All Ways Hated You" ????.. And The More You Think About It This Scene Gets Worse ...Let's Say The Ending Was The "100% Rumbling Ending" Then Why Did He Say This If He Definitely Was Going To Kill Everyone...It Wouldn't Make Sense.. Which Futhers My Theory That The Ending That We Got Was PLANNED!!!!... Any Changes To The Ending Happened YEARSSSS Ago .. This Wasnt Some Rushed Ending ...THIS WAS PLANNED And The Story Was Always Going To End Like This ..
That ending is the worst I have ever seen… Bleach ending is bad but you can still enjoy watching Ichigo's Bankai. Attack on Titan? You can't watch this crap anymore once you realize Eren is totally a clown of failure.
It was a long time ago but I remeber not liking this scene when it first came out. I remember things feeling so dissonant between these three best friends for the sake of cheap melodrama or why they weren't talking about anything important.
I have a question since chapter 139 contradicts itself in the same chapter, eren said he would destroy the whole world completely and reduced everything it into ash , if his friends didn’t kill him , then he says he wanted to kill only 80 percent . So if mikisa didn’t kill him what would have been the end goal for Ymir and eren nothing makes sense anymore hacksayama
I agree that Armin trying to punch Eren should not trigger Mikasa's Ackerman blood because Armin has no intention to kill Eren. If Mikasa is programmed to protect Eren from any punch at all, then why didn't she do anything when Eren and Jean constantly break out into a fight or when Annie beat him up during training?
You know how to fix it? Make it so what we see is from armin's POV. After eren manipulated his memories - Eren tells Mikasa that he doesn't give a shit about her familyzoning him and that he already lost virginity AND impregnated the queen no less! - Mikasa tells eren that she was wet af, but after this revelation, she "dried out". - Eren realizing how dumb he was proceeds to erase their memories... only to realize Mikasa is immune. Eren then decides to blow up the world because he turned himself into an incel. - Armin, just like the reader, is oblivious to the fact.
All the potential Armin had as a character just gets slaughtered post time skip. He thanks Eren for killing billions which doomed his own people generations later, btw also the same character who killed those thousands at the Marley docks when he transformed and looked visibly guilty, bro just doesn't mind the mass murder of innocents as long as he's not the one doing it.
im miles behind all of this discussion cause i just finished the series. But I have a question: Later it is revealed that Eren's comment abt the Ackerman bloodline is false right? But didn't we all know that it was bs from the start? I mean, in the first few chapters/episodes Mikasa literally punches Eren after the titans broke the walls. At least that's what I was thinking during this part. Not sure if this holds any relevance to this video but thought i'd throw this out there.
Bro iam not triggered by isayama the way he made the ending but one that irritates me that ch 139 ending fanboys are pissing me off and saying " you don't understand the story " meanwhile the story itself is not accurately explained . Fk biased ending fanboys.
nah i think eren did want to tell his true intentions to armin n mikasa (hence why he said in the beginning of this scene: “I just want to have a talk”) but mikasa triggered him by saying “ur being manipulated by zeke” saying that to eren made him lash out n start saying things that would trigger them as well bc eren was angry af even though he looks composed
why was he angry though? his goal in this conversation as stated in 139 was to push them away. so anything he said or did in this scene was an act in some way. no reason for him to get upset about mikasa saying something when his goal is to make her upset not himself.
Please do a “How Attack on Titan should have ended video” if you can make a (in my opinion) good scene Even better then you can definitely turn a shitty ending into a masterpiece that makes the story come full circle!
I think he did it so they won’t be attached to him because he knows he’s doing the rumbling. And what gets me is that Eren called Mikasa a slave and it turned out to be right in that moment, but in the manga it turns out that the Ackerman blood didn’t have no affect which was stupid
But part of what he said was sort of true but the fact that people agree with him disliking mikasa I’m like chale their relationship is very interesting especially in the manga
According to me he said to her bcoz saying that to her will make her kill her feelings for eren and it will make her easier to kill eren...as everything revolved on Mikasa killing eren.... shittiest logic....and the death of eren will not be such a shock to Mikasa and she can move on in her life....that's why eren never confessed to her and acted lika a asshole in their final meeting 🥱🥱🥱story could had gone in a better way but this is what we get so deal with it
no story is perfect you have to accept the flaws of each story at a certain acceptable limit but 139 is just pure trash it gave me a negative reaction of 0/10 before reading any deeper analysis on TH-cam as a normal reader because of its illogical happy tone, this scene is my favorite in the storyline so far but it got retconned by that trash finale, but you reimagination for this scene is really good and much better than the actual one and you make some strong valid argument points.
@@vintce6019 well that if it had has a good ending, but the final chapter retconned the entire storyline rendering previous scenes useless, my rating for the entire series dropped down to 0/10 effectively because of the ending.
Tybur scene: Eren is honest to Reiner, the man who massacred his hometown. Table scene: Eren straight-up lies to his life-long best friends, causing them and himself deep emotional pain. That's why this scene fails!
ngl i never questioned him lying in this scene when he said he hated mikasa bc his actions of always being angry towards her and aggressive actually shows that. they rarely have actual happy moments and they’re only friends bc mikasa insisted on following him and eren around. & for the reason being that she’s a slave that’s not a questionable reason either bc he does like freedom and have called ppl cowards like 50 times for not fighting for it. he only embraced ymir so he can get what he wants instead of her following zeke’s plan. but some ppl won’t take that for an answer so i guess i’ll have to somewhat agree that saying the slave part was untrue bc he embraced ymir. but besides that, him hating or disliking mikasa wouldn’t be a shocker to me
I agree with most of your points but I would challenge you about Mikasa’s reaction. Clearly from the attack on Marley she didn’t believe Eren was capable of involving innocents, she still believes that he is genuinely a good person that protects people who can’t protect themselves. Also her getting emotional and not reacting and challenging Eren could do with her be coming older and her feelings for Eren became more clear to her hence why his words would hurt much more.
Fair enough but she could have at least stopped him from beating Armin’s ass, no? And yeah she saw it. How can she believe that if she literally watched him kill children? She’s lying to herself to convince herself that its not true.
@@saintitchief I agree. At least Mikasa could do is stop Eren from beating up Armin by punching him in the face. Or giving him 3 punches ...But that would result her getting shot a couple of times wouldn't it?
@@saintitchief Y'know that's a good point But like I said, if Mikasa were to punch Eren while the guards were in the room, wouldn't she get shot or something?
No totally I disagree, every body is influenced by their previous titan shifters but it's not the same for erens attack titan. Eren is the only attack titan holder that has the founding titan he decides what memories and how much of these memories each holder can get access to(that means it's the opposite, eren has influence over other attack titan shifters. And we have clearly seen that happening. Grisha, Eren Kruger both were influenced by eren. I'm pretty sure attack titan was always hidden from the rest of the 8 titan shifters because eren made that happen. One more crazy theory I've got for you that nobody talks about. Eren Kruger(eren Yeager behind it )is the one who leaked the information about grisha being the restorationists leader(remember zeke hearing that marley got a lead on restorationists that's kruger). Because there was no way he could have passed on the attack titan to grisha in marley even if he did and there's no way he can get a boat ride to paradis somehow. There was no way it was possible. There was only one way, let grisha be taken to paradis and then give it to him there.
NGL I hated eren for his behaviour to Mikasa and Armin here... After the rumbling I was like ohh so he did on purpose And now after leaks I was like what' was the point of all this😂😂😂...u just needed to start a demo of rumbling then no nation will had the balls to attack paradis simple and cheap af😂
Ever since armin ate bertholdt he isn’t the armin before the armin in season one would have said eren let’s go let kill those people they are the reason my grandpa died let’s kill them I mean he is the reason they caught annie and he was like rather supporting it more than eren Like I thought about it for a moment maybe Levi should have let Erwin live but really would that make things better
Listen, Hon If Erwin survived he would've been butchered into oblivion. i didnt think it was possible foe yams to butcher Armin and I didnt think it was possible to butcher eren but alas, here we are.
You don’t even need to include explaining the Ackermann blood thing, since it’s a lie in the story anyway. With that being revealed, Mikasa stopping Armin out of reflex and love for Eren is already unbelievable after what he just said to her
Honestly man idk why isayama chose this path. The best ending for me imo was eren to win and complete his rumbling. Ik its fucked up but this is fiction. Idk why isayama needs to complicate things with this ending.
The way they handled Ackerman instincts in this scene contradicts earlier scenes where: 1. Mikasa allowed Levi to beat the living crap out of him, only because Armin decided it was the right thing to do; 2. When she just sat and watched how Eren and Jean were beating each other up the night before the mission in Shiganshina; Armin even suggested they should interfere, but she said everything was fine and just sat there, smiling; 3. That scene continuing, Levi kicked Eren's (and Jean's) ass again for taking the party too far and Mikasa once again didn't care to make a move to stop it. I've forgotten a lot of AoT at this point, but judging by what I do remember, your version is true to character(s).
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Forgot to add at 14:44 :
There would have also been an amazing parallel between this scene and the scene where Mikasa stabbed the kidnapper from behind when she and Eren were kids. Whats even better is that this scene was already referenced earlier in the table scene as well, so the reader could have made that interpretation immediately.
I Have Theory ....This Scene Was Purely For Emotional Manipulation....There's No Story Or Weight To This Scene At All.... Ofc He Wasn't Telling The Truth ..How Tf Did He Go From " I'll Always Wrap Your Scarf Mikasa" To "I've All Ways Hated You" ????.. And The More You Think About It This Scene Gets Worse ...Let's Say The Ending Was The "100% Rumbling Ending" Then Why Did He Say This If He Definitely Was Going To Kill Everyone...It Wouldn't Make Sense.. Which Futhers My Theory That The Ending That We Got Was PLANNED!!!!... Any Changes To The Ending Happened YEARSSSS Ago .. This Wasnt Some Rushed Ending ...THIS WAS PLANNED And Was Always Going To End Like This
@@shavaughnhendrickson1866 DOESN'T change the fact that the characters were assassinated. So u want your characters to play like plot devices just in order to reach a certain "planned" ending? Of course we know Isayama lost the balls to make an ending which actually stays true to the characters and the story, just because a "dark" ending wouldn't have been handled well by kids online (who of course shouldn't even watch a series like AoT to begin with)
What bullshit is this ,see dude
This scene is a masterpiece ,not a mistake,you are completely misunderstanding the point of this scene ,there is nothing wrong with this scene ,
If you feel this scene is wrong that means you agree that the last chapter is a masterpiece ,this is not a mistake
You are just adding more gloom to the manga and anime community as a whole here
Levi: "Zeke...thank you. You saved Commander Erwin from getting monged in the final arc. I promise I won't let your arc go to waste."
Also Levi: "Hey Annie! Remember that time u wiped out my whole squad? That was hot!"
This thought
Fucking armong bruh
Haha I was thinking the fucking same. I'm so happy Erwin can be still my fav character because he died 🙏
@@demdil76 If Isayama wanted Eren to die for nothing and make Mikasa the main character, he missed the opportunity for that when Eren got eaten in chapter 4.
Your version of Eren beating the hell out of Armin is infinitely better than the OG material. I didn't even feel bad for Armin in that scene because he brought it on himself by punching Eren, but those words would have had so much more impact without ruining any of the characters.
Agreed I can't stand Armin.
@@Bakergirl86 it's really sad cuz he's supposed to be the one that we're meant to relate to lmfao.
@@Bakergirl86 I couldn't stand half of the cast when that teamup between the scouts and the warriors happened lol
@@RT140952 the whole alliance thing was so stupid, a team up among hypocrites lmfao
@@rickchakraborty2087 At first I thought Isayama was building it up so that it could fall apart later but it didn't take long to see where it was really heading when the characters were just acting stupid and borderline out of character
Something which always bothered me with this scene is the initial reaction Armin and Mikasa display towards Eren. He strolls in and starts acting and talking like a villain, and his two best friends, close to him as siblings, which supposedly know him more than anyone else, act scared by Eren's threats. Eren has a cut on his palm and implicitly threatens to shift if they don't "keep their hands on the table". If this scene was consistent with the AoT narrative up to that point, Armin should've looked him in the eyes and said "I don't believe for one single second that you're going to hurt us if we don't 'kEeP oUr hAnDs oN tHe tAbLe'". That's where it would've made sense for Eren to beat the shit out of him, to prove a point. Instead both Armin and Mikasa act like they're being held at gunpoint by strangers, stammering and tearing up when Eren threatens and belittles them.
Moreover, they tell Eren that they believe Yelena and Zeke are manipulating him. Now I'm not a psychiatrist or anything, but just imagine going to your friend and telling them "you know, I thought you're being manipulated". If your friend is not being manipulated, they're obviously going to tell you "no I'm not". But if your friend is indeed being manipulated, they're not aware of said manipulation, because if they were, the manipulation wouldn't work. So they would still tell you "no I'm not".
What did exactly Armin and Mikasa hoped to accomplish by asking him that? Eren telling them "yes, Zeke is manipulating me, I'm not doing things by my own decisions. Thank you for asking!" ? It's a dumb ass nonsense conversation from start to finish.
This makes too much sense.
@@ralfmedado9047 I'm glad you think so. This scene makes no sense regardless of how you look at it.
Obviously they weren't expecting any confirmation from him. Obviously eren would say "no I am not"
They were just simply telling him what they think could be a possibility. Well, if your friend says "no, I am not" you would say "thats what I though you would say".
Even if they think that might not be true, they would personally want to belive any possibility that could be a cause to eren's unusual behavior. They would say that because Like, bruh, it's your closest friend that just suddenly acting all villiany, and distancing from you for a while and you have seen him killing all those innocent children and civilians without a sign of remorse and even broke out of the jail with no regards to all the superiors and made a whole team called yeagerists that has been causing chaos in the island, taking everyone as hosts and even killing the court judge with an explosion. And eren himself is looking intimidating. Anyone would be scared if him at that point no matter how close they are to him. That's why it would make sense for mikasa and Armin to act like that in shock. There might be so many questions and emotions flowing through their mind all at once that they don't know how to act because its obvious eren isn't the same person anymore. He was the one who led everyone in the Marley and used them and Sasha died because of him and he is still acting like he doesn't care and just keeps moving to his personal goal
See, that's the problem you completely disregarding the context and instead only focusing on the characters rather than only try to look at the situation they are put on
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Rest In Peace Kentaro Miura, Berserk will truly go down as one of the greatest stories ever told.
Thank you for writing this masterpiece. U will be missed 🙏
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He's playing idolm@aster on heaven :')
I’ve have never read berserk. I plan to read it
It seems like 2021 is a bad year for manga with this trash AoT ending and now Miura-sensei’s death I wish his family the best and hope they’re doing well
@@lucrativelucas2655 Not to mention the perpetual Hunter X Hunter hiatus But what's new there right I swear the mangka is gonna die before the story is finished just like Berserk. If he wasn't so damn prideful and I could easily argue greedy he would have passed the manuscript on to somebody else or at least the ability to draw the story to somebody else so at least we would have the chance of the story being done in any of our lifetimes a long time ago. I think it's about time we force him to do so here's hoping he has a Twitter.
Me and the boys waiting for the new saintitchief video
SAME
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If Eren reveled his true plan in this chapter this also should have been when Armin decided to make his own faction. In the manga Armin mentions releasing 100 wall titans a couple if times to destroy Marley allied forces. If Eren told them he wanted to do a full rumbling this is when Armin should have taken charge and become the next Erwin.
yup
Someone would also make a video complaing about what an unintelligent move that was on Erans part.
@SAGEjutsu probably, but Eren revealing his plan early to Armin actually allows Armin to act and be an actual useful and interesting character.
@@SAGEjutsu But it would be the only way to turn them against him without any inconsistencies. If he doesn't tell them his plan, they won't really be against him because they'd still be thinking that he is acting in a way to save them with a partial rumbling rather than save them by destroying the world.
You didnt just explained why this scene was not the best, but even suggested better version of some moments. So much respect (sry for my eng)
but I wouldnt say this scene was complete garbage. chapters 136-139 a lot worse...
8:58 I agree with you. This kid stood down a battalion of soldiers and cannons as a fifteen-year-old, he has shown that he can repress emotion when he needs to
If anyone wants to justify Armin "acting out of character" because he was emotional, then that just means that Eren trust is misplaced with Armin to broker peace with the world.
Imagine Armin just flipping out at an ambassador from another nation because they insult his best friend Eren or Eldians due to the animosity brought about from the rumbling.
I never really realized how odd it is that Armin didn't argue with logic but instead resorted to violence so quickly. He's the one that kept on wanting to talk to Eren in this arc and he's been calm under pressure in much more tense scenarios, even in more emotional moments like when Annie/Reiner betrayed them or just after he thought Eren died the first time.
yup.
I agree but don't you think Armin is allowed to be emotional here?? like eren is not Annie or Reiner, he is armins childhood friend, the very first one to befriend him. They grew up together, were together even before Mikasa came into their life. I think Armin acting emotional and being a little hypocritical is allowed. Because we humans don't always follow our own rules. It's only our close relations that bring in our worst and best versions I beleive.
@@drishyam272 Okay, but what purpose does it serve to show Armin resorting to violence so easily in this scene?
At best it just paints Eren in a good light, since even Armin can't argue against Eren's logic but instead resorts to petty violence, something Armin has never been shown to do. At worst, it just degrades Armin's character showing that he can't be trusted to be rational when it comes to Eren, which has not been the case previously. In the past Armin has kept his cool while disagreeing with Eren, during the death of his close ones (including Eren the first time) and even facing his own death.
There were ways write around this issue while still preserving Armin as a character and having the same key scenes play out. I understand that humans are realistically hypocritical in high stress situations, but I think this scenario is much less serious compared to situations Armin has gone through in the past.
Even if this is a "logical" breaking point for Armin, what's the point of showing us this? It has no major relevance to the plot going forward nor do I think that it really humanizes or develops Armin's character. Ultimately, if he can't keep his cool when it comes to Eren, why are we as an audience supposed to think he can be trusted with one of the most daunting tasks in human history, brokering peace, especially when the world directs their hate towards Eren for the rumbling. Negotiations could possibly break down if they insult Eren too much, since there's now a precedent that Armin is much more easily triggered when Eren is involved.
@@drishyam272 Him being emotional is fine, but resorting so easily violence isn't needed. The first instinct of Armin has always been shown to think things through, where he''s never just attacked someone in blind rage in the past.
I don't think arming punching eren is out of character, ok he said violence isn't solution and said peoples using violence are the one who are wrong but, 1 : nobody's perfect
And 2 : he punched eren for hurting mikasa not for what eren said before
Eren being the one to hit Armin first just ties in so well with Armin's words early on in the series: "You know what I'm saying is right. That's why the only answer you have for me is your fists." I've been so confused by Isayama for not circling back to this line of dialogue and have Armin stay in character. Your rewrite is so much better and just makes more sense to me. I hate how Mikasa just stood there like a wet paper towel while Eren beat up Armin too. Hello? You're an Ackerman worth a 100 soldiers. Do something??
You fixed it so well with Eren beind the offensive. We needed this scene to be like this.
Yams really said this was an act, what a bunch of bullshit, so he was acting in 130 and 131 through his inner monologue???
This kind of content looks like an actual Aot episode for me the better episode 😂
You understand the story more than Isayama
Thats never true
Video didn’t even start and you already have 3 dislikes. Even the haters have the notification on😭😭😭😭
139 defenders are genuinely obsessed with 139 haters.
Biased and delusional kids of course
@@rickchakraborty2087 mah man i adore you for your comments
@@marshalsoult3860 lol can't believe it's already been 7 months lmao
@@rickchakraborty2087
We won't stop until they can see how dogsh1t it is
Armin till first episode till nearly whole series Voilance is not the answer 😂 and when bro fight against eren voilance is the only answers 🤣🤣
Damn Armin savage bringing up moms
I like your version of making Gabi useful. It would’ve been cool if she charged Eren with the knife exactly like how Mikasa charged the dude choking Eren when they were kids.
yep i realized that right after i uploaded the video lol
She would die right there. Eren wouldnt be killed by a knife
@@superexclusive452 one swift mikasa right footed kick and she is OUT
I think you understand Armin and Eren way much better than isayama himself.
To be honest, what i really liked about this show was the action, the titans and the many unsolved misteries, not the complexity of the characters.
If only what Eren said was true, if only he did truly hate Mikasa. The story would’ve been better if Eren never lied to himself. Shame, so sad. RIP pre 139 Eren.
That wouldn’t make sense tho, eren never hated his friends, especially with the reasons he gave. It’s been foreshadowed multiple times, “to save mikasa, armin, and everyone else”
@@Bestintheinternet you can dislike someone and protect them at the same time.
@@saintitchief bruh you sound dumb af lmao, eren always cared for his friends, its obvious and that would never change, saving armin and mikasa is important to him, thats why that line has been repeated
@@Bestintheinternet at first i hated eren didn't wanted to watch the show
But after watching and reading manga
He was the real hero and always will be no matter what other say
He sacrified everything for his friend and love
And i don't think except mikasa other friends didn't care for him like:- jean & conny they just hated him from the beginning and after sasha died they just wanted to get rid of him...
They only give shit after they die
& fuck with making hero to armin i had choose erwin rather than armin
If erwin was alive the story had been change in different way.....
if you want to have a conversation with me I’m open to it, but the insults gotta stop. I’ll let it slide this one time.
Now once again, you can dislike someone and protect them at the same time. You can dislike someone yet want them to be safe. This happens all the time and anyone who is emotionally mature can understand this concept.
Armong hates violence then proceeds to attack eren because he hurts mikisa feelings. in stead of using his brain and asking proper stuff .Chapter 139 armin puts mikisa feelings above the whole world instead of asking eren logical questions he only cares about why u hurt mikisa🤦♂️eren was speaking facts and armong after timeskip he became useless and stupid
plot twist he actually loves mikasa and was glad eren died.
it was him at the ending with old mikasa
@@marshalsoult3860 tbh mikasa x armin doesn’t bother me. It's the only relationship mikasa had that was free from any manipulation. They went through a lot together and armin respects her even more than eren. Mikasa x armin makes more sense than armin x annie.
@@erenssister.5535if Armin and mickasa really get married than in after life Eren will hunt Armin for sure 😂😂
Eren knew he would never win an argument against Armin or stand a fight against Mikasa, so he argued with mikasa and fought Armin ☠️☠️☠️
Big brain eren
It would’ve have been interesting if eren threatened to kill gabi in-front of armin and mikasa to truly show that he’s willing to kill anyone to reach his goal. Then maybe armin would have called out eren’s bluff or something
Also you could make Armin try to attack Eren, only to be stopped by Mikasa,
at which point Armin would be slapped back to reality and ask himself WTF is he doing trying to attack Eren.
That would leed to him doubting himself, cause he never acted in this manner, proving Eren might be right.
Then he would try to argue with Eren, during which Eren might get provoked to beat him to a pulp.
Litterelly the same sceene with 3 new pannels and it would make sense, but after war everybody's a general.
this would also be fine. As long as the story addresses that Armin was behaving as a hypocrite I would have no issues with it, but instead the story doubles down on the fact that the story believes Eren was wrong for hitting Armin back lol
I think, the main reason why the scene fails is the "persona" hypothesis that is subsequently confirmed. Eren expressing his true mind here would be much better because he was essentially saying the truth about Armin's and Mikasa's passivity and ignorance...
Looking back, that table scene really was trash! 😂
Seeing Paradis literally flat out genocided from the outside world launching nuclear weapons on them was the best part of Attack on Titan!
And as usual, FMA Brotherhood remains as the Emperor of GOAT Anime Endings!
@@Solaris_Paradoxand code geass
Wow the mad lad is actually gonna do it!
This man is proving whole aot was a failure 💀 👑 not just the ending
😂 and people be like - omg it's foreshadowing this foreshadowing that shit
@@anithusiast. if you forshadow 💩 it dosnt change the fact you just forshadowing a 💩
@@anithusiast. many garbage ass series also does forshadowing but it dosnt matter cause the forshadowing should up lead to something great its a lame excuse by them TBH
They are now saying the ending makes sense cause of a philosophical message about life doesn't matter and saying its "UnIqUe." Smh if that message was true then why didn't the Alliance let Eren go through with it? Why didn't Eren turn his back on the sea after season 3 part 2 and just started a farm? Why did Zeke not just quit being a Warrior after his family was taken?
@@gestureflow2143 who?
Really good and calm video, love that man. Great insight and interesting point of views
Clown Meeting
if armin actually did die and erwin got the titan power instead. I wonder who it would of been handle. maybe even at the table scene instead of armin it be jean sitting there instead. connie could possibly be there too but it would make more sense for jean to be the one to punch eren in that scene to defend mikasa. also eren and jean have been rivals and fought alot so it would of had alot of deeper meaning.
What happened to that Mikasa, you ask? SIMP happened.
Apparently the killing machine (which is slavekasa) turned into a useless simp. I would agree
The whole season 4 become a simp simulator its frustrating 😭😭😭 you have mikasa falco armin for some reason and then ymir comes up to also become a simp,,,what happen to the script its weirddd ahahah
@@arminarlelt9846 Mikasa has always been a simp before Season 4 turned her into even MORE of a simp
@@olchan527 yeah and we had enough with one simp, why they need to add 3 more 😭😭😭 it made the arc so weird seriously
@@olchan527 i hope mikasa got a character development she need to hate what eren do but nope 😅😅 lets make her the worst simp as possible lol
FINALLY table video, I won’t say my opinion on it until the vid releases but right now I honestly think the table scene was great, at least at the time it was created
I think what you said was good, but I think Gabi should of been the reason why Eren came to see all three of them. He came to use Gabi as an example of a slave, a reason why hatred exist, and to show the rumbling was needed. Then Gabi finally admits she was wrong, everything she believed in was a lie. She would break down as she tells Eren, as it would callback to when Eren broke down. After that then I would have Armin would join the conversation, to back up Gabi and what you said would follow.
Eren tells his plans, Armin talks about Eren’s mom, Eren punches Armin and Gabi tries to kill Eren. Eren is saved by Mikasa and the guards show. BUT before Eren leaves after being saved, he tells Mikasa she is a slave and that he hates her. Then she slaps him before he walks out, holds her ground and contest her love. Saying she only wanted to be with him and for all the fighting to stop. She doesn’t care if she a slave because she loves Eren. Eren pauses.. and leaves without a response. If she cries at this point it would be fine, because she loves Eren but is conflicted by his plans and actions. Armin tries to comfort Mikasa, while Gabi is still mentally breaking down.
This is incredible.
Amazing.
I think it was obvious from the very beginning that Eren didn't really hate them in that scene, as we would've find out some chapter later, and that he said those words to just push them away. He couldn't have explained his plan to them (whatever that was originally) because he knew they wouldn't understand it and he couldn't trust them, the same way they couldn't understand and accept that side of his personality that had always been latent in him and was now showing itself in full light. I think only Historia knew the whole story, because there was a special complicity between them, but we don't know what they said to each other...
About Mikasa, I think she was so shocked by Eren's fake revelation about the Ackermann's blood that she started to doubt herself to the point that it was shattering her, hence her reaction (in the anime this is shown better). Anyway she always had a delusional view about him and about his motivations, we see this on different occasions. She has always been in love with an idealized image of him, along with having a serious emotional dependence problem due to her childhood trauma, and he couldn't understand her feelings, at least until everything was retconned in a cheesy way.
I agree completely with everything else you said: Armin is very poorly written in that scene (Bertholdt's influence showing up, perharps? But the topic was never developed further) and your rewriting of it that also gives Gabi a purpose is much, much better.
Not really
Mikasa has just not taken the dark side of him
Eren has a dark side which he himself loathes and a good side which he uses to wrap scarf around mikasa
The good side is protecting others and taking care of them and providing warmth
And dark side is when he killed those sex slavers mercilessly saying they deserved it
This creates duality to him
This is why he was crying like a child in front of Ramzi revealing how he did all he did not to protect eldia specifically but more so because his dream of a free world that he saw in armins book was never there.
All he did was to protect his friends and realize his unattainable childish sense of freedom.
This is why he had a low sense of self worth and he went to armin and mikasa and told them bad things because he knows that if he is connected to them he won't be able to do one of the most atrocious acts ever done in history of humankind.
What makes it interesting is that eren himself has enemy titan within himself and has balls to suggest armin is being controlled by bertolt.
He has grishas memories, it means now he loves his own mom and Dina?
And then eren says "I am free" even though he is just following a future event he saw through fathers memories.
He isn't free, he never was and be never will be with the idea of freedom he has.
20% of the world: we don’t want a peace treaty.
Armin: punches someone at the meeting.
Get out!!
Reiner: what happened
Armin: they um said they’ll think about it hehe🤡
I think it’s the fact that the contrast of how serious that scene is while the clown edit is over them that’s getting to me. Lmao
These aren't Eren, Mikasa and Armin. They are Sasuke, Sakura and Naruto. Scene makes a lot more sense when you look at it that way.
It's sad that the eventually resolution between Gabi & Sasha's family, didn't mirror the actual ending. Instead, they made fake peace, by doing the same thing to the world, that King Reiss & the Tyburs did to the subjects of Ymir.
How would it be written to better mirror the resolution between Gabi and Sasha’s family?
@@lermadaniel that resolution happened organically & has a great message, unlike the one we got. How the entire plotline played out was realistic & was all about adults taking responsibility in stopping hate from spreading to the children, to stop the cycle. The girl Sasha saved let go of her vengeance, maybe she even forgave Gabi, but she didn't become buddy buddy with her.
A key factor to making the ending similar to that scene, would be for Margath to survive & fulfil the role of Sasha's dad but for Marley instead of Nicolo. His character arc was centred around seeing the truth of the situation, and if he survived, Yams could've had eren do a small rumbling but get genuinely confronted by Armin & Co. They'd earn the hero status (to us readers) & Margath could vouch for them. Plus, as the highest ranking general, he'd be able to change Marley's policies, like he'd been trying to do. Wars wouldn't be stopped but as long as both Paradis & Marley pay reparations for damages caused by a much smaller rumbling, they could buy more time for a realistic diplomatic resolution (what the survey corps were striving for). So, Eren would've stayed true to himself, Armin & Co would've stepped up, even Historia could've acted like a real head of state.
Ymir was waiting for Sasha to leave the forest lool seriously though, she was the character that best embodied connecting with strangers through the simple things we all share.
“Armin was not objectively a threat to Eren in that scene at all”
I mean, technically he could transform into The Colossal Titan and instantly kill everyone in the building and the town block if he wanted to tho... 😂
yeah but Mikasa knew he would never do that
I’m crying right now you just hi highlighted every point that i was pointing out from how all the characters or most of the characters were ruined just to present the new Eren who people hyped up to be a badass
Yeah cuz if Eren hit Armin for a perfect counter argument then the audience would look at him as some hypocritical angsty teen asshole who is stuck in his own mind and the rest of the plot would probably be in shambles...
@@vintce6019 i mean for me i liked Armin a lot pre time skip he was phenomenal and could have been the new Erwin in terms of leading. Now when he got colossal titan he became a coward???? Talk no jutsu?????? Where did Armin go
Mikasa cries just because Erin told her he hates her, where did the strong and mother caring Mikasa go ? She never cried pre time skip
A lot of things happened just to make Erin looks so cool to the audience, this is why i stopped caring for AOT yet still was eager to see how it ended
@@hashimalz let's face it, the table scene is just fan service to show off Eren as a perfect badass/chad at the cost of Armin and Mikasa's characters
@@vintce6019 at the cost of all characters tbh
@@vintce6019 he was badass as f before ch 139
reactors were watching this scene and hyping the fight up for no reason
I was slightly spoiled this scene in advance through a thumbnail, I expected it to be heartbreaking and impactful but after finally seeing it, I was left with the feeling that something was really off and not in a good or intended way. Once again you have a great way of putting those feelings into words and adding some very reasonable points in addition. This scene is a great example showing how much some characters regressed post-timeskip.
I love your rewrite of this manga scene especially of Armin and I guess for me regarding his character when he was younger he should've asked his friends to teach him how to fight
The thumbnail is gold. I am dead.
RIP chad eren.
Isayama rly fcuked over Eren’s character he turned him into a simp and idiot in the end, he had the chance to be one of the greatest mc’s of all time.
@@itrrii6582 Yeah but he did it to fleshed out the theme "Freedom" more which is ironic since eren & eldians aren't. Isayama can literally avoid this mess in just one chapter. This is the scenario i made he could possibly go with:
"Eren used the founders ability to alter eldians memories/mind that everything happened from chapter 137 to 139 is just a fabrication set up [To add shock value] to avoid armin & friends to get hurt or killed by the rumbling... After the rumbling is complete eren can just undo the mind altering then his friends just saw the aftermath, shocked, that all this time its just an illusion and the reality is that Humanity outside the wall.. is Dead. And one last time, the freedom man said to all eldians from paradis. while holding historia's child or baby eren from past: YOU ARE FREE.. the end."
I know there's a plot hole there but im sure isayama can patch that up. If that happened then Eren will certainly be one of the greatest MC there is.
@@jei7129 so basically anything close to that of the AnR ending would have made the ending a masterpiece, this is exactly why people keep saying AnR SHOULD have been canon
@@rickchakraborty2087 What's AnR? But yeah it'll make the ending a masterpiece and much more sense since Eren is literally godlike in founding form. Makes no sense for him to lose a battle with that much capabilities, add to that.. That no one in Alliance side have casualties during the final 3 chapters.
The 1st ending we got is disney end which doesn't fit AoT but the new ending? kinda fitting but still worse.
he was slave
I already knew about the weak points of these crucial scene. I loved your video because after explaining these points, you present an alternate version which flows well with all elements already present. Great work.
The scene left me more confused than ever - now even more so after the ending.
I Have Theory ....This Scene Was Purely For Emotional Manipulation....There's No Story Or Weight To This Scene At All.... Ofc He Wasn't Telling The Truth ..How Tf Did He Go From " I'll Always Wrap Your Scarf Mikasa" To "I've All Ways Hated You" ????.. And The More You Think About It This Scene Gets Worse ...Let's Say The Ending Was The "100% Rumbling Ending" Then Why Did He Say This If He Definitely Was Going To Kill Everyone...It Wouldn't Make Sense.. Which Futhers My Theory That The Ending That We Got Was PLANNED!!!!... Any Changes To The Ending Happened YEARSSSS Ago .. This Wasnt Some Rushed Ending ...THIS WAS PLANNED And The Story Was Always Going To End Like This ..
That ending is the worst I have ever seen… Bleach ending is bad but you can still enjoy watching Ichigo's Bankai. Attack on Titan? You can't watch this crap anymore once you realize Eren is totally a clown of failure.
It was a long time ago but I remeber not liking this scene when it first came out. I remember things feeling so dissonant between these three best friends for the sake of cheap melodrama or why they weren't talking about anything important.
I have a question since chapter 139 contradicts itself in the same chapter, eren said he would destroy the whole world completely and reduced everything it into ash , if his friends didn’t kill him , then he says he wanted to kill only 80 percent . So if mikisa didn’t kill him what would have been the end goal for Ymir and eren nothing makes sense anymore hacksayama
He lied. Lieing is a thing
I agree that Armin trying to punch Eren should not trigger Mikasa's Ackerman blood because Armin has no intention to kill Eren.
If Mikasa is programmed to protect Eren from any punch at all, then why didn't she do anything when Eren and Jean constantly break out into a fight or when Annie beat him up during training?
Mikasa was damn annoying in these last arcs. I lost my respect for her after she was written to be obsessed with Eren
She is a annoying mary Sue.
One dimensional character without personality
I agree with your arguments about improving The Table Scene. Great video.
Congrats on 2k
You know how to fix it?
Make it so what we see is from armin's POV. After eren manipulated his memories
- Eren tells Mikasa that he doesn't give a shit about her familyzoning him and that he already lost virginity AND impregnated the queen no less!
- Mikasa tells eren that she was wet af, but after this revelation, she "dried out".
- Eren realizing how dumb he was proceeds to erase their memories... only to realize Mikasa is immune. Eren then decides to blow up the world because he turned himself into an incel.
- Armin, just like the reader, is oblivious to the fact.
Love it. Every argument is backed by reason and logic.
Man, I wait for every video of yours every week.
Nice table meeting on the Thumbnail
All the potential Armin had as a character just gets slaughtered post time skip. He thanks Eren for killing billions which doomed his own people generations later, btw also the same character who killed those thousands at the Marley docks when he transformed and looked visibly guilty, bro just doesn't mind the mass murder of innocents as long as he's not the one doing it.
So excited 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Armin the Hypocrite
im miles behind all of this discussion cause i just finished the series. But I have a question: Later it is revealed that Eren's comment abt the Ackerman bloodline is false right? But didn't we all know that it was bs from the start? I mean, in the first few chapters/episodes Mikasa literally punches Eren after the titans broke the walls. At least that's what I was thinking during this part. Not sure if this holds any relevance to this video but thought i'd throw this out there.
Atleast Sasha, Marco, hannes, and Erwin didn’t get ruined.
Floch and Zeke too
Bro iam not triggered by isayama the way he made the ending but one that irritates me that ch 139 ending fanboys are pissing me off and saying " you don't understand the story " meanwhile the story itself is not accurately explained . Fk biased ending fanboys.
You didn't understand the story
@@sohamsharma9439 joking or real?😅
@@reaperplayz9158 kiddin😆
nah i think eren did want to tell his true intentions to armin n mikasa (hence why he said in the beginning of this scene: “I just want to have a talk”) but mikasa triggered him by saying “ur being manipulated by zeke” saying that to eren made him lash out n start saying things that would trigger them as well bc eren was angry af even though he looks composed
why was he angry though? his goal in this conversation as stated in 139 was to push them away. so anything he said or did in this scene was an act in some way. no reason for him to get upset about mikasa saying something when his goal is to make her upset not himself.
Please do a “How Attack on Titan should have ended video” if you can make a (in my opinion) good scene Even better then you can definitely turn a shitty ending into a masterpiece that makes the story come full circle!
You got me addicted to your aot content 😂 you are my copium bruhh
Am I the only one who thought that everything eren said to hurt mikasa kinda didn’t make sense or is it just me😰🤔
I think he did it so they won’t be attached to him because he knows he’s doing the rumbling. And what gets me is that Eren called Mikasa a slave and it turned out to be right in that moment, but in the manga it turns out that the Ackerman blood didn’t have no affect which was stupid
But part of what he said was sort of true but the fact that people agree with him disliking mikasa I’m like chale their relationship is very interesting especially in the manga
@@boppinboyz yeah I completely understand what your saying
It was just a thought I was thinking of when I read that chapter the first time
According to me he said to her bcoz saying that to her will make her kill her feelings for eren and it will make her easier to kill eren...as everything revolved on Mikasa killing eren.... shittiest logic....and the death of eren will not be such a shock to Mikasa and she can move on in her life....that's why eren never confessed to her and acted lika a asshole in their final meeting 🥱🥱🥱story could had gone in a better way but this is what we get so deal with it
Eren hated her slave side but it doesnt mean he entirely hates her. Hes just pushing her away. Like this guy said, it's lies sprinkled with truth.
Amazing analysis and understanding of the characters. This would have been so much better.
Armin in this chapter represents the people who read the holy book and don't believe about his second coming
no story is perfect you have to accept the flaws of each story at a certain acceptable limit but 139 is just pure trash it gave me a negative reaction of 0/10 before reading any deeper analysis on TH-cam as a normal reader because of its illogical happy tone, this scene is my favorite in the storyline so far but it got retconned by that trash finale, but you reimagination for this scene is really good and much better than the actual one and you make some strong valid argument points.
I guess so, the writer is still a human and makes mistakes. Regardless of its flaws, id say aot is still some good quality cheese
@@vintce6019 well that if it had has a good ending, but the final chapter retconned the entire storyline rendering previous scenes useless, my rating for the entire series dropped down to 0/10 effectively because of the ending.
For the people who don’t know aot no requiem, aot no requiem actually makes the ending actually good!😀☺️, sadly it isn’t canon🥺😭
Honestly this scene didn't make sense. Even not knowing the ending, this was the one scene that felt off for me watching season 4 part 1
When i read this scene i knew eren was going with zero requiem, but i was still in denial until it actually happened.
Just Clowns talking together🤦🏾♀️
Tybur scene: Eren is honest to Reiner, the man who massacred his hometown.
Table scene: Eren straight-up lies to his life-long best friends, causing them and himself deep emotional pain.
That's why this scene fails!
POG
ngl i never questioned him lying in this scene when he said he hated mikasa bc his actions of always being angry towards her and aggressive actually shows that. they rarely have actual happy moments and they’re only friends bc mikasa insisted on following him and eren around. & for the reason being that she’s a slave that’s not a questionable reason either bc he does like freedom and have called ppl cowards like 50 times for not fighting for it. he only embraced ymir so he can get what he wants instead of her following zeke’s plan. but some ppl won’t take that for an answer so i guess i’ll have to somewhat agree that saying the slave part was untrue bc he embraced ymir. but besides that, him hating or disliking mikasa wouldn’t be a shocker to me
I agree with most of your points but I would challenge you about Mikasa’s reaction. Clearly from the attack on Marley she didn’t believe Eren was capable of involving innocents, she still believes that he is genuinely a good person that protects people who can’t protect themselves. Also her getting emotional and not reacting and challenging Eren could do with her be coming older and her feelings for Eren became more clear to her hence why his words would hurt much more.
Fair enough but she could have at least stopped him from beating Armin’s ass, no?
And yeah she saw it. How can she believe that if she literally watched him kill children? She’s lying to herself to convince herself that its not true.
@@saintitchief I agree. At least Mikasa could do is stop Eren from beating up Armin by punching him in the face. Or giving him 3 punches
...But that would result her getting shot a couple of times wouldn't it?
@@olchan527 armin still swung on eren while the guards were in the room.
@@saintitchief Y'know that's a good point
But like I said, if Mikasa were to punch Eren while the guards were in the room, wouldn't she get shot or something?
@@olchan527 she aint gotta punch him to defend armin
I had the same alternate version of this scene in my mind. I’m so glad we have the same opinions on it
ARMIN is the narrator of the STORY of attack on TITAN
these thumbnails lol
i think isayama did this so we could side with eren
100% agree. Your rewrite makes way more sense & Characters would have stayed in Character
No totally I disagree, every body is influenced by their previous titan shifters but it's not the same for erens attack titan. Eren is the only attack titan holder that has the founding titan he decides what memories and how much of these memories each holder can get access to(that means it's the opposite, eren has influence over other attack titan shifters.
And we have clearly seen that happening. Grisha, Eren Kruger both were influenced by eren. I'm pretty sure attack titan was always hidden from the rest of the 8 titan shifters because eren made that happen.
One more crazy theory I've got for you that nobody talks about.
Eren Kruger(eren Yeager behind it )is the one who leaked the information about grisha being the restorationists leader(remember zeke hearing that marley got a lead on restorationists that's kruger). Because there was no way he could have passed on the attack titan to grisha in marley even if he did and there's no way he can get a boat ride to paradis somehow.
There was no way it was possible. There was only one way, let grisha be taken to paradis and then give it to him there.
porco wasn’t, reiner wasn’t, ymir wasn’t.. so no
NGL I hated eren for his behaviour to Mikasa and Armin here...
After the rumbling I was like ohh so he did on purpose
And now after leaks I was like what' was the point of all this😂😂😂...u just needed to start a demo of rumbling then no nation will had the balls to attack paradis simple and cheap af😂
Before the rumbling even started they were hinting that eren said these things to mikasa and armin for a reason
7:50 i think it depends on how strong your personality is
...to be honest, that being the first failure so late into the series is pretty impressive..l
Ever since armin ate bertholdt he isn’t the armin before the armin in season one would have said eren let’s go let kill those people they are the reason my grandpa died let’s kill them I mean he is the reason they caught annie and he was like rather supporting it more than eren
Like I thought about it for a moment maybe Levi should have let Erwin live but really would that make things better
And what makes you think Erwins character wouldn't be butchered aswell if he lived?
@@cheesy-hamburger3220 im just saying like myself I’m not sure how things will go
@@cheesy-hamburger3220 Erwin died as Erwin - whose character is preserved and not butchered
Listen, Hon
If Erwin survived he would've been butchered into oblivion.
i didnt think it was possible foe yams to butcher Armin and I didnt think it was possible to butcher eren but alas, here we are.
remix of call your silence?
Nobody realises that everyone is a SLAVE
Bro why did you do this?
I'm already done with last chapter and want to enjoy the series as it's don't do this pls bruh 😂😂
You don’t even need to include explaining the Ackermann blood thing, since it’s a lie in the story anyway. With that being revealed, Mikasa stopping Armin out of reflex and love for Eren is already unbelievable after what he just said to her
Honestly man idk why isayama chose this path. The best ending for me imo was eren to win and complete his rumbling. Ik its fucked up but this is fiction. Idk why isayama needs to complicate things with this ending.
Eren: “That’s why yo shoes raggedy.”
Armin: “That’s why yo momma dead, dead as hell 😵🔥✨what shoes she got on🤪💅🏾what shoes she got in her casket⚰️🥰👟 🥶”
The way they handled Ackerman instincts in this scene contradicts earlier scenes where: 1. Mikasa allowed Levi to beat the living crap out of him, only because Armin decided it was the right thing to do; 2. When she just sat and watched how Eren and Jean were beating each other up the night before the mission in Shiganshina; Armin even suggested they should interfere, but she said everything was fine and just sat there, smiling; 3. That scene continuing, Levi kicked Eren's (and Jean's) ass again for taking the party too far and Mikasa once again didn't care to make a move to stop it.
I've forgotten a lot of AoT at this point, but judging by what I do remember, your version is true to character(s).
The circle of clowns