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I’m thinking there’s 3 options.
1: The wings are gearing up for a monster free agency
2. There’s some serious drama surrounding Walman we haven’t heard yet
3. There’s another massive trade cooking
I’m still not happy no matter what but there’s definitely more we’re soon to find out
I'm going with #2. It's not like when the Rangers shipped out Staal and a 2nd rounder to get rid of his 5 million cap hit. Yeah, something up with Jake....
We were all up in arms when he sent Varanna packing for nothing in return, I'll wait and see.
I’m going with none of them. Yzerman has so many unmovable contracts and these was the only way to get rid of salary cap space. Yzerman did this to himself
Gear up for monster free agency in the weakest free agent crop in years?
Sounds like a plan, I guess...
@@edwardsmith6609 That's not possible as San Jose wouldn't know about what had happened if we didn't know. I think Steve might have a couple loose screws because as a Canucks fan I would think we fleeced Detroit if we traded a second round pick for walman.
Yzermam better have something insane up his sleeve...
Up the sleeve, up the keister. Up the idk where you put it up.
I’m in shock after this Stanley cup final. Now this xD
Wdym up his sleeve? There is probably about 20 teams that would want to take walman and would happily give a second round pick for him. A guy who is worth a high second and a 53rd overall for a highfive?? I think this makes history as the worst trade ever.
Or he is just washed😂
Yeah a bag of drugs
He doesn’t
I wonder if Walman has something going on behind closed doors that the public isn’t aware of. Really weird trade
Following his OT winner against Montreal back in december, he pulled out a dance, which according to David Perron, was received with mixed reaction in the team's locker room. That's what he said in a french interview with TVA Sports back then.
his dumb celly got him dropped 😂
@@beerdo Lol
"Moritz Seider's back may break trying to carry that blue line next season." May be one of the best quotes I've heard on the channel yet 😅
Why didn't Detroit keep Hronek?
You're easily entertained
@@ryansmith3361 He wanted to be paid what he wasn't worth, easy to get rid of and replace with ASP for the 25-26 season
@@ryansmith3361 $$$, Hronek dropped off in the second half of the season and was the perfect trade to Vancouver, I'm happy he got paid but also glad that Detroit isn't the one flipping the bill.
@@JaredLS10As a Canucks fan, I’m both glad he gets paid and I’m glad he developed the chemistry with Hughes that got him the big bucks. Hronek might be overpaid, but together the pairing is worth the collective AAVs.
as a Sharks fan, we needed puck moving Dman. We were expecting to take very bad contract, or overpay in free agency for that. I guess we got one, for more than free. Thank you Yzerman. We might actually be able to draft a goalie this year with the pick as well (if it stays as is)
We are so up
eemil vinni or ilya nabokov
@@BarDownBrendan Leenders, George and Vinni are my top 3 (in no particular order). Both Nabokov and Yegorov are 2nd tier for me
Well I’m a wings fan 😢😢😢
@@RyanDallo I hope y'all get the big splash everyone are talking about 😊
This caught me off-guard, they must have something planned
Matt Roy
Or maybe Yzerman just isn’t that great of a GM
@@cbjm36what a brainless conclusion
Justin Holl once again survives the impossible
Petry also
If you had to include a 2nd to get rid of Walman, it would have taken 2 1sts to get rid of Holl.
That ten team NTC is stopping Yzerman from shipping him off.
He found a home in detroit. he settled down, he wanted to stay. he loved the city and the team. and we just throw him to the streets like he didnt even exist. and he doesnt even get to play on a good team. he has to play for the sharks now. Yzerman better be planning something
The Sharks beat the Red Wings last season in Detroit. Kostin played a lot better on the sharks than as a Wing. I saw a video Walman seemed to really like being a Wing.
Hopefully that 3 mill or whatever is some massive thing to help you.
ya it was a griddy move
It jus biness
Playing in SJ is about to become a marquee destination. Celebrini, Smith, Musty, Bystedt, Halttunen... This is going to be a sick team in a 1-2 years.
The Sharks won't be bad for too long with all the young talent they're stockpiling
Im with you. Completely baffled he had to add a 2nd to get rid of Walmans contract. This not only hurts on the ice but off the ice too.
If this move is to keep ghost, its still bad because he cant defend and Mo isnt going to get PP time.
One or more of Holl, Petry, Chiarot and Maata must go before the start of next season.
Holl if not traded will likely be a buy out.
we dont need a late 2nd round pick
@@jonnyasava9992 we need it more than mr. future considerations
My thoughts? Indifference. Walman was great for about half the year, then kinda fell off into an abyss as we hit the stretch, and a legendary collapse.
The only thing that gets me is, why future considerations? Unless we're gearing up to make a trade for a serious player, and those "considerations" is using SJ's cap space to eat salary so we can fit them in, it wasn't worth giving up Walman and a 2nd. Stevie has a bit of a history of playing 4D chess, so let's hope this particular move he just made pans out for us.
A draft pick in a deal like that usually means it's a sweetener or an incentive for the other team to take on that deal. While the Wings get "future considerations," the league allows that to happen as long as what the Wings get back is all legal within the parameters of the CBA. Who knows: maybe the future considerations coming back to the Wings benefits them more than we could ever imagine. Speculation, of course.
Just curious what moves would you consider 4D chess. Steve’s been here since 2019. In that time multiple franchises that have executed full rebuilds and made the playoffs while the wings keep kicking the can down the road.
@@lesevesel2898 I'm wondering if the future considerations are "if X player is there at 14, don't select him and leave him for us at 15."
Yzerman wanted the cap/roster space. That is why "future considerations", same reason why Detroit got a 2nd to take Staal.
That's my guess. As it is the Wings have 7D earmarked for Detroit and 6D in GR.
@@garthdanicich7145 If he wanted to make a cap dump why not Holl, Petry or Chiarot? I´m sure SJ would have taken one of those guys and 2nd rounder, maybe additional 4th rounder too. They took Goodrow´s contract from the waivers. No problem taking guy like Petry who's contract is gonna expire after the season anyway. Why Walman, I just don't understand. There has to be another trade coming in which SJ is gonna take some cap or it has to do something with the draft like the other dude was saying.
There is just the slightest chance that Yzerman knows more about hockey and the Red Wings in particular than any of us. Don’t forget that Yzerman is the architect of what became a two time championship team in Tampa.
That’s cool, he still has yet to make the playoffs with this wings team. Also signed some terrible contracts and just gave away a second and walman to make cap space.. that he doesn’t have cause he signed Justin holl and Ben chiarot LOL
Yzerman is overrated and the wings are just going backwards
@@Cup_in_6we’re going make the playoffs trust the yzerman plan
Yeah and he's also the guy that signed Chiarot, Copp, Holl and traded for Petry. Personally i wanted none of those players let alone overpay them. I wanted Zadorov but he signed Chiarot to an overpay. I wanted Trocheck but he overpaid a 3rd line center in Copp. I wanted Gudas or Schenn but he overpaid Holl. I didn't want Petry at all even at what the Wings are paying him.
He better have a lot planned to get rid of Holl and Petry and bring in some real defensemen that can actually help the team not sink it and waste cap space. Yzerman has made some good moves but he's also made some very bad ones too.
What he did in Tampa, a one time success, means nothing to his performance as a Wings GM.
@@Cup_in_6 Someone had to say it. Yzerman walks on water in Detroit, according to Wings fans and media. To question him is blasphemous.
as a sharks fan, i see this as an absolute win
What are you talking about you lost a superstar player in future considerations, he’s so good that every team wants him
As you should.
Big win.
Yeah no shit lol
Agreed Dustyy_nhl, this was a good move. Makes up for Grier's boneheaded move to take on Barclay's inflated contract. (I like Barclay, very good 4th liners). The Rangers were likely to buy him out. Can't imagine any other team was going to claim him off waivers. Grier bailed out the Rangers big time.
It was a move that had to be done if we want to resign Kane. Probably didnt need to attach a 2nd round pick with it... but goes to show the time crunch he was in to get it done before July 1. If the team had issues with Walman and no urgency to sign someone they could have just waived him unconditionally on July 1 like Yamamoto or Zadina. Side note, it silently speaks to how much Seider and Raymond want to get paid... We have 12/23 players signed right now. 32.7 million in cap space. Reports suggest 6-8m each, I think thats low because of this move. They are most likely asking for 9-10 each with the salary going up. Yzerman will probably end up settling around 8.7 each like Larkin. 32.7 goes down to 15.3 real quick. Call up Edvinsson and Johannsson = 13.49 in cap space. Kane probably gets a deal in the neighborhood of 3 years 15 mil before the draft. Cap goes down to 8.49 with 17/23 signed. With the slim chance we want to steal away a player like Stamkos from Tampa... We are going to have to offer him north of 6 million a season. Which means we are going to have to dump Fabbri(4m) too like Walman. 12.49 after getting rid of Fabbri. Theoretically, we get Stamkos for 3 years 19.5-22.5. Cap room is 5~6m with 17/23 players signed. Berggren and Veleno need new deals and the lowest number of players we can have on a roster is 20/23. So either someone else gets called up like Soderblom or Mazur or we sign another 1 to 2 mid players with what's left.
Bro this is shaping up to be a nuts offseason, two goalie trades already and three more skater trades as well
He's getting ready to make a splash, that's what. A big forward makes sense, and potentially a cap dump from the sending team. Marner? Maybe a UFA forward like Guentzel? Big priced dman? Big goalie trade like Saros? I'm excited to see where this one goes.
That’s what I’m thinking
Maybe, but Stevie’s track record signing UFAs the last few years is not good. I’m concerned lol
Im sure you could have EASILY gotten rid of Maatas contract with a 2nd attached to it. Walman just makes no sense.
@@OhNyquist he’s probably gearing up to sign Dakota Joshua to a 8x8 deal 😂
@@xRyeBredxMaata is a better player than Walman. His play went downhill 23/24.
Dont get rid of your 5,6, or 7th best defenseman. Get rid if your 3rd best
Ben Chiarot is not a bad contract. Dude was our second best defenseman this year.
Didn't really want to lose Walman like this though...
BC takes more heat than he deserves, because everyone looks @ him and thinks WTF isnt he a superstar
Not worried about Chairot.
Copp's contract is not good for that amount of coin for a 2C not lighting it up.
the griddy was unacceptable is what I understand
Yes, a grown man doing the "gritty" at work is always unacceptable
lol it’s literally a goal celebration who the hell cares
@@yoholmes273sports are for entertainment. Celebrating scoring is entertainment.
@@tinyrick1853 It's not a goal celebration on his new team. Those will be referred to as Celebrini-ations from here on out.
I agree it's just horrible but it can't be just because of that 😆
I'm personal friends with someone in the red wings circle and he said something big is coming
My uncle works for Nintendo
I trust Yzerman, I hope he has something planned because I liked Walman
top comment.
i dont trust yzerman overrated GM
@@justinalley3399 I mean, he essentially created a dynasty in Tampa Bay, what’s not to trust.
Like you said, this has the makings of a complete overhaul of the D-core. I think there has got to be more moves on the way.
Thank you for the trade and hopefully we do give you guys something back that you guys need when the time is right👍
The griddy celly by Walman will be remembered in our hearts forever.
FOREVER hoo hoo hooo!
an absolute nightmare
Remembered for it being cringe...
@@alexwinter3272right? God awful
@@alexwinter3272 I agree. If you're known more for your goal celebration than anything else, you're not that great.
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way 😮
As a Blues fan who was livid when they traded Walman, Detroit, i feel your pain. I havent seen anything about his interactions in the locker room but something doesnt make sense here.
As a Sharks fan, idk why Stevie made this trade, dude has to be cooking something up.
I can Guerentee you we move Ferraro and 2 of the second picks for a late round 1st pick
@@juliovillalobos2559 I can guarantee that won't happen. The asking price on Ferraro is a first and a good prospect, they're not going to throw in two seconds and skip the prospect just to get a late first. He might not quite get what he's looking for, but even if you assume the two seconds are the later two (42 and 53), those are worth a late first on their own (right around pick 30). If you go with 33 and 42 it'd be about pick 22 or 23. If you do 33 and 53 it's about pick 25.
Welcome to the world of NHL Capology! I liked Walman, especially his goal celebration, but let's be real , what defensemen has more goals than assists? Yzerman has a lot of work to do with the defensemen. We really need a physical presence(at forward as well).
This trade makes zero sense. Either a big trade is coming or Walman needs surgery. I bet half the teams would take Walman by himself and his contract for future considerations. The fact they needed to add a pick is what really confuses me.
Cap dump to resign are players like mi and Shayne
I have no idea what Steve Yzerman is planning here but he's definitely cooking up something bigger this summer
As a fellow Wings fan, I was shocked at this move. I thought Walman was a great player for us on the defensive side. It sucks that they let him go, but I can see the reason. Yzerman wants to clear some cap space to lock Raymond and Seider. Those 2 are our franchise players, and we need them going forward. With the Jake Walman trade, it save us over 6 million in cap. And I think Edvinsson will be in the majors this year. So now the question is, who do we sign after we lock Lucas and Moritz?
Marty Necas, and Saros
Don't see how anyone justifies this trade, no way they needed to do that, that cap hit was way too short and too low to force a 2nd for the trade
OhNyquist video drops: oh, cool, dude is pretty level headed and analytical, this will be a good video.
OhNyquist is somewhat alienated: 😮 ooooooooohhhhh boy here we go
There are concerns moving him. He didn't play much at all over the last weeks of the year. Something had to have happened.
But!
Walman was electric. Minimum for locker room presence you keep him around. Was he out top D? Technically. On any other roster he's bottom pairing. But Future considerations????
If you get a 3rd or even late 2nd for Walman. That’s fine! But this is insane! A team like Devils could have picked up Walman no? Or a team like Flames etc.
Great deal for Sharks at least!
Cap dump trust yzerman plan, we need holl out though
Guys relax, we have edvinsson and Johansson coming up. Our left side will be chariot, edvinsson, and Johansson. Chariot was much better this year than his first year. Matta might be shipped too or might be a 7th defence man. Or we might gain a new player. It’s too early to panic.
Trust the yzerman plan we will make the playoffs
I'm wondering if Walman's injury at the end of the year played a part in this trade, it might help explain the draft pick being thrown in.
has to be to open space for kaner
Nah he is way to old he is gonna falloff in 1,2 years it is to resign Shayne and mo
This all but confirms that the left side is going to be Edvinsson, Chiarot, and AlJo. I'm still scratching my head and yes, this one kind of stings, but I'm willing to let it marinate. There has to be something coming, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a big splash very soon here
I hate this trade, I loved walman he brought such a good energy to the locker room, I'm wondering if the injury at the end of the season was worse than we thought
I like Walman, sad to see him go like this.
Dayuuum san jose are making good looking move right now coming off that disastrous year might become a sharks supporter lol
As a sharks fan thank you come again
I checked cap friendly and we are almost 10mil out from the cap floor and are about 32 mil from the cap hit. Yeah we still gotta sign Seider and Ratmond but this pushes us even further money wise
Yeah it's weird, I don't know what else to say about it other than obviously we are missing a piece of this puzzle. Not a single team wanted Walman for just "future considerations"? Yzerman had to throw in a high second just to get rid of him? Holl would be the more obvious guy to get rid of in a pure cap dump.
Yzerman is cooking right now
I could not believe this when I heard it. I hoped you would break it down and tell me what I'm missing, but....
He didn’t play near seasons end. He’s a 6th dman at best. They’re expecting Simon and perhaps even Albert to play full time in Detroit. It’s not that surprising. Price paid was for sure though.
I wonder if the 2nd really is for considerations like "don't flip Wahlman to Toronto or Montreal."
I remember a few years ago that the Pens would work hard to trade guys out of division or conference, and then they'd immediately be flipped to the Capitals, Canes, Blue Jackets, etc.
Or when the Sens traded Hoffman to the Sharks and they immediately flipped him to the Panthers.
Detroit actually had a pretty good record in the 19 games Walman missed. Maybe they want to use the same Top 6 they used down the stretch with maybe Skjei or one of the youngsters replacing Ghost.
Isn’t a premium skating, puck moving, 2 way, first pairing defenseman with a cannon for a shot, why you draft defensemen in the first place? 3.4 million seems to be “on the cheap”, as well. WTaF?
To be fair to Maata, he's played well in Detroit. He's played more than is sustainable, but he's been good.
As a wings fan, im more confused than anything else. Im guessing its the only contract Yzerman could move out of the ones you mentioned. Probably need to give up a 1st for the others. It Edvinsson can take a step his ceiling is higher. But I'm going to give Yzerman the benefit of the doubt until after free agency.
Buying his way out of off-season blunders. Hopefully Justin Holl is next. Not the Stevie Y with a Lightning roster in front of him to boost with minimal additions. That Gibson deal was horrendous... he'll be better than whatever they get with the 2nd. Other guys looks like a struggle in his Jr. League.
Theory - what if Detroit will have the options to swap their #15 pick with the SJ #14 pick if Detroit has a prospect they really like fall to 14. If not, the picks stay with their respective teams, and San Jose accepts a cap dump from Detroit (Holl/Petry)
I could see a scenario where "if X player (MBN, maybe Eiserman) is there at 14, don't pick him." As for Holl/Petry, I think both of them say no to the trade. Petry especially already nixed a trade to San Jose just last year.
@jonmendelson1104 yeah I'd like the case to be Eiserman. Still not worth a 2nd and walman tho :/
Mind blowing. Walman was a healthy scratch at the end of last season, but that was only because Fenster wanted to put Jeff Petry's corpse out on the ice AND give Simon Edvinsson a much needed look. Hopefully the two ex-Griffin defenders step up this year, because objectively, Walman was our 2nd best defenseman for the last two seasons.
This BETTER be a complete overhaul
So Walman is about to gritty on Detroit…ouch that has to hurt, but idk this trade is confusing but Stevie Y could be cooking up something big there are a lot of good-great players on the trade block and in free agency
Making cap room for Raymond and seider and to add better players! Remember he helped construct the three stanley cup championships for Tampa.
stevie y put the tampa bay lightning together, was the g.m. of team canada that won gold and was on 2 stanley cup winning teams with detroit. if i had to choose his decision or yours i think he wins hands down.
Obviously, also theres alot of info that dosn't leave GM offices in this league, we really don't have the full picture
I agree with your points but I think I could put together a team Canada that wins gold some years lol
@@johanjotun1647 THIS.
@@IhaveaDoghouse a lot of em especially w eastern europe in flux a lot its like sweden and maybe the us as competition..having said that i do like me some international hockey
Why in the blazes would you trade walman
Cap space to go after Kane and Stamkos. Future consideration to unload Copp (with salary retained conveniently close to what we were paying Walman)
This one hurts. Griddy was cringy but I still loved Wally.
They’re planning for free agency but that’s dangerous as the Wings can always get spurned, Hockeytown isn’t what it used to be.
Yzerman is probably gone if the Wings fall back to 85 PTS, and are the new 2010’s Canes.
Given Yzerman's body of work on the ice, and off the ice, I don't think anyone should be question his decisions.
This guy isn't some one-hit-wonder, who got lucky building a team. He knows what he's doing. Relax.
This better mean we’re getting Stamkos or something. Insane.
Moritz Seider has been great in the beginning but where did he go? His game defensively has went out the window along with the rest of the teams defensive play ?
They didn't have to add a second round pick, they are getting something for it on Friday at the draft. Just my opinion.
This is so crazy cant believe they had to add a 2nd. Imagine whet theyll have to give up to dump Chiarot and/or Holl now it must be a lot. There has to be something behind the scenes anout Walman we dont know otherwise this makes no sense
Yzerman was not down with the gritty 🤣🤣🤣
Justin hall he meant?
Something is cooking…..since the Wings are my 2nd team I don’t panic like I used to lol. We’re getting Zadina back… lmao.
As a Ranger fan, people forget Goodrow had a No Movement Clause also in his deal and had the Sharks on his no trade list, which is why Drury had to waive him and let the Sharks claim him for free. Walman definitely isn’t worth more
Can hope they have something planned. Otherwise Yzerman will have this look bad on him all season long
They traded Mr.Griddy himself 😢
Walman had 43 points in 145 games with the wings and is not good defensively. I never understood why people were so high on him.
The wings defense makes no sense atm, but once all of those terrible contracts are gone and Edvinsson, Wallinder and Sandin-Pelikka make the team, it will.
Sharks fan here, we'll take care of Walman for you guys. I hope Yzerman is cooking - the SJ-DET rivalry is something I haven't had enough of for a while now.
Det SJ rivalry?
@@callenga Yeah, they had a pretty good rivalry for awhile back when they were in the Western Conference. I didn't get really into hockey until around 2009, but they had back-to-back second round playoff series against each other and pretty much every game between the two teams was a one-goal game (give or take an empty net goal).
@@jonmendelson1104 Yes I recall vividly. I would not call that a rivalry
Blues moved on from Walkman too. Curious.
This would make sense if it was Justin Holl. Not Walman
He only has to do this because his FA acquisitions have been so garbage. 3.4 mill for 3 years to Holl who only plays 11 games and we have to give up a young solid D man that actually plays in games. So thrilled to have Holl on the team instead of Walman AND A SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK.
The two guys I thought made the Red Wings a Detroit team, Walman and Bertuzzi gone
Seriously, when I lost my abillity to cheer for Bert I turned to Walman i hope we get somone Chippy and Cherpy
I'm thinking that Yzerman is clearing cap space to address the goaltending situation with a significant upgrade.
WHAT?!? Question the Yzerplan??? HOW DARE YOU!
Same he is cooking
As a Sharks fan, make sure to take care of Future Considerations.
Sad to see Wally go. But, we need more shutdown Dmen. We definitely need some more muscle and if we have to sacrifice some goals, that’s fine. As we’ve seen during the finals-offense doesn’t win series, D definitely does. Let’s see what Yzerman does with this. I have a good feeling that our GAA will be better off for it.
Yzerman reeeaaaallly hates the griddy
I would guess he is adding a top pairing defensemen and. or a new goalie. I liked both Walman and Ghost but neither could really be considered a top pair d-man. Simon may be one in the future but it will probably take some time for him to fill out more.
Even so, giving him for a second and getting no picks back is absurd...He's worth a 2nd and 5th-7th a at top list teams pay.... Especially playoff time
Walman is worth a roster player unless theres something we don't know.
@@johanjotun1647 Yes obviously, but there's probably a draft day trade incoming or a big free agency guy has agreed to sign there on FA day
"Future considerations." Those deals are still pending so the Wings have the competitive edge when picking apart the Sharks.
San Jose needs him. Wouldn't trade Walman for anything at this point, he will probably also be on PP1 in SJ. Wonder what the future considerations will be. The rights to RFA Emberson would be what I would ask for from DET.
making room for Axel Sandin-Peleka is not a bad thing
The wings now have $36 million in cap space I believe. I think SY maybe freeing space for a big name. Draisaitl?
the move isn't horrible, his numbers aren't amazing
but having to add a 2nd to get rid of his contract is outrageous
Thoughts on the linus ullmark trade?
Bad for Boston but good for Ottawa as a wings fan we need a goalie
Kostin and Walman and to a less degree Zadina. Shark Wings or the Red Sharks looking good.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants what is bro yapping about
@@JaredGoofball Kostin doing better on the sharks than wings.
I don't hate it if they have a big plan
This is either something big OR a major crack in the Yzerplan
what are your thoughts on the linus ullmark trade?
Had a video planned today and gave my thoughts on that trade at the end of it, but with this Red Wings news I moved that video to tomorrow!
@@OhNyquist No problem. As for this trade, I totally agree with you. Outside Seider, Walman was the last person I expected to be dealt. I would have included one of the other names you mentioned in the video, but maybe this is Yzerman planning a blockbuster or something...
@@OhNyquist A day later, it looks like this could be a cap dump to trade for John Gibson. If this is how it goes, I still don't like the Walman trade.
Surely,given that Walman is decent, a top Dman is being targeted in free agency and they need the cap space and place on the roster to accommodate them. At this point we don't know if others are being traded. Maybe the Wings really did feel Walman's year was a one off. Lets hope this isn't like Hronek who has gone on to improve.
The only way this makes sense to me is if Walman does not want to stay or there is some HR stuff going on with him we don't know about - for what he delivered on the ice for 3.4mil your just not going to replace him at that price not to mention he was loved by fans, I just don't see a W out of this move short some off ice drama no one knows about.
but trust the yzerplan!!! 😂😂😂😂😂