DRAGONS: History, Mythology, Meaning

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  • An examination of various dragons in myth, primarily focusing on European dragons, and the similarities and differences with East Asian dragons.
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  • @BasBascelik
    @BasBascelik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Here I am seeing another video about the origin of dragons, thinking I already know everything there is to know, for some reason clicking on the video, and completely get blown away. Thank you, good sir. Your channel is a treasure trove.

  • @ThisTrainIsLost
    @ThisTrainIsLost 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Any mythology must at some point in time be rooted in something that actually exists in the world. I find it interesting that Norse myths, at least those that originate in an oral Icelandic pre-literate tradition, would contain any snake or snake-like imagery for the simple reason that Iceland, like Ireland and a handful of other regions, has no snakes.
    (Btw, I really enjoyed and appreciated this video. This is the first of your videos that I have seen but it got you a new subscriber. Well done indeed!)

    • @l-vbordercolliesbryanbaque6237
      @l-vbordercolliesbryanbaque6237 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The dragon is the serpent that deceived Eve . The father of lies

    • @elderscrollsswimmer4833
      @elderscrollsswimmer4833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I guess Norway, Denmark and Sweden do, though. Also, how about rivers, eels and worms?

    • @suzannedawson6330
      @suzannedawson6330 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dinosaur bones were around then, as they are now. Only 6000 years ago our science was very primitive. The imaginations of humans with limited knowledge……..A viable possibility

  • @marcusleonard4751
    @marcusleonard4751 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Very informative video, really good. I’m a painter, and I wanted to make a big painting for my kids. They’re in elementary, they wanted a dragon painting. With a bunch of dragons. The setting is the ocean, with a volcano that shoots out water. As dragons fly around everywhere. As I’m watching this I’m like “Wow!” Because how water is a big thing to dragons. I didn’t know it was, I just painted what my kids wanted. Makes me wonder.

    • @KingaKucyk
      @KingaKucyk ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe they have Dragon guardians watching over them? ❤

    • @13_13k
      @13_13k ปีที่แล้ว

      It just goes to show you how deeply embedded in the human psyche that dragons are.
      We are afraid of things that posed dangerous to us as early man and that stays in our DNA and our deepest part of our "lizard brain".

  • @darkwielder2088
    @darkwielder2088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Thank you. You really elaborated on the question I asked awhile back on patreon on what are dragons. Your videos/content are awesome and informative

  • @Tara-Maya
    @Tara-Maya 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Rewarding to finally see a quality dragon-documentary on TH-cam.

  • @lowlandnobleman6746
    @lowlandnobleman6746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +335

    The myths might not be related with alligators and crocodiles, but when you’re down in a rural part of Georgia or Florida, the really big gators almost seem like water dragons. Gotta be careful about what body of water you swim in down there.

    • @Dionaea_floridensis
      @Dionaea_floridensis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Can confirm as a Floridian

    • @lowlandnobleman6746
      @lowlandnobleman6746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      My brother flipped his kayak when were down there a few years ago. Swam his way back with us and only later found out there was a gator in the water with him. Only one of us saw it, and it thankfully wasn’t interested in us. I still love visiting the Sunshine State, in spite of however many gators might be there.

    • @dannym6552
      @dannym6552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😘😘😘🤣🌹

    • @broxi3781
      @broxi3781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      My husband and I were watching a programme on television once about alligators in florida.
      Close enough to a Dragon for me, I would be moving. And he was saying 'how could any one live there?'
      But then I pointed out that some people would probably ask how people could have loved with everything here - Northern Ireland.
      All the same I can could not live with those things, nor the heat.

    • @jessegreer8242
      @jessegreer8242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      There be dragons... yup. Sounds like Florida.

  • @thegingergyrl455
    @thegingergyrl455 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am a life long Dragon enthusiast. I have loved them since before I could walk. I continue to carry them with me in everyday life. Thanks for this.❤

  • @Dogsinnerwolf
    @Dogsinnerwolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Thank You for this video, I have enjoyed learning from it. The Cherokee have many dragon stories as well, it is called an uktena and in the middle of its head is a crystal. Indv is for snake and sometimes is used interchangeably. Many of the stories indicate that should an uktena be seen swimming in the sky or water it, means that something bad is about to happen. The person(s) who see the uktena usually die. Another story says that should someone succeed in acquiring the crystal from the dragon, they will gain various magical powers. There is one story where the rabbit challenges the dragon to change it form, it finally does and changes into the dragon fly. It tries to change back to its original form and cannot. The dragon became what is known as the snake/dragon doctor.

    • @annatrombley5607
      @annatrombley5607 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Thank you, Dogsinnerwolf. I had been wondering if there were Native American dragon stories!

    • @famitsus987
      @famitsus987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s probably from ane people

    • @ianweir3608
      @ianweir3608 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It kind of sounds like a meteor, eh? A fiery snake in the sky, that leaves clouds, something usually bad happens right after, and the people who see it usually die.
      Then in this case the gym in the eye of the Dragon would be the meteorite itself. This confirms my own personal theory that meteorites are magic, and justifies me buying one

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's weird, but you can actively look at several tribes around the Great Lakes & artifacts/ pictographs across a long time & actively see them create their own dragon concept right in front of you. They basically combined a snake monster with horns & a wildcat monster & essentially got a dragon. Both were associated with water & the written legends of different tribes across the region would flip flop between all three versions for the exact same being, even up to the present day.

    • @AverageAmerican
      @AverageAmerican 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thats bcuz world rulers are known serpent people = blue blood

  • @dawndeeearven1616
    @dawndeeearven1616 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Love the European dragon myself! Thank You for sharing this with us It’s awesome to learn something new

  • @rutha6260
    @rutha6260 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Interesting. Sekhmet which is a lion Goddess also is gotten drunk to bind her. Another interesting thing is St. Martha who binds a type of dragon called a Tarasque with her girdle as St. Samson does but also her Feast Day is July 29. Her story is almost exactly the same and she's worked with for domination and binding.

  • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
    @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Maybe I'm seeing things but the deeper I delve into Indo-European and Proto-Indo-European mythology, I start to notice some odd parallels between Norse and Greek myth.
    Yggdrasil = Hesperides
    Nidhogg = Ladon
    Midgardsormr = Oceanus
    Loki = Typhoeus
    But again maybe I'm just seeing things that aren't really there. 🐍

    • @OrichalcumHammer
      @OrichalcumHammer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The 3 mentioned by you seem interesting
      Yggdrasil = Hesperides
      Nidhogg = Ladon
      Midgardsormr = Oceanus
      The Loki connection to Typhoeus is made at 27:10 in video but it is not immediately clear because Loki gave birth to Jormugandr who is cognate with dragon.

    • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
      @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@OrichalcumHammer Thanks!
      Also, I love your name. Orichalcum, now that's a word I have not encountered in a long time. Guess I'll take it as a sign I revisit Atlantean lore.

    • @johndquigley9237
      @johndquigley9237 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      All the same players, just different names, all across ancient tales

  • @charmicarmicat2981
    @charmicarmicat2981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After beating Elden Ring I really wanted to learn up about dragons. I typed in “History of the dragon” and this was the first video I clicked. Well done, God like content here. I’m subbed

  • @suzannedawson6330
    @suzannedawson6330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’ve been wondering if the myths that started over 6000 years ago (maybe even older), if people stumbled across dinosaur bones, not knowing what they were; some lizard like, some with wings, others with tremendous rib cages and tails making them longer than several buses.
    What would early humans have conjured up in their heads after stumbling across the skull of a T-Rex with all those nasty teeth?

    • @The_Mycilium_Maestro
      @The_Mycilium_Maestro ปีที่แล้ว

      @susannedawson6330 as you said our ancestors drew depictions of dragons not dinosaurs. Ever wonder why? Paleontologist already admit that they have never found complete or even mostly complete skeletons of "dinosaur" but that they always have just assembled random bones and built up the rest as they imagine it would appear. Look into it. Knowing that everything else we've been told was a lie why would it be that hard to believe that dragons were real instead of "dinosaur"

  • @Bysthedragon
    @Bysthedragon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's interesting to see the evolution of the Dragon Myth from their Origin as the benevolent lords and givers of water and life, to those who guard and restrain the Water causing droughts, sickness and death.

    • @luxemag4347
      @luxemag4347 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      false flag psyop from the eagle team. It's in the Bible too.

    • @prixe12
      @prixe12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Character development

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    one of my favourite interpretations of dragons is the Tatzelwurm the feline like dragon with cobra coils from the Alpine Region of Europe

    • @jacktheomnithere2127
      @jacktheomnithere2127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it also has poisonous breath and blood.
      i've read into it.

  • @dirksharp9876
    @dirksharp9876 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Incredible realizations about the Sumerians here and much else. Just excellent in every way. I don't always agree with your interpretations but I value them deeply and have loved watching you develop in this format over the past few years.

  • @lydiakhai9977
    @lydiakhai9977 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've really been enjoying your different documentaries on history and mythology as I crochet. Best ways to pass my time 😊
    I hope you keep it up. I'm curious to hear what you come up with next!

  • @jackieroberts7895
    @jackieroberts7895 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wales has a red dragon on the flag

  • @chandra_himanshu
    @chandra_himanshu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regarding, date of Rigveda I just want to add that as per recent discovery of existence dried of river of swaraswati ( previously considered to be mythical) and other archaeological finds, the new theory regarding that Rig veda is much older is gaining strength there by making Indo-european culture much older.
    Rig Veda describes Swaraswati in details and Swaraswati River dried up hundreds of years before 1600 BC.

  • @yesman1743
    @yesman1743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Balaur's are interesting dragons. Some of them can be tamed by Solomonar's (strong wizards that know all languages on earth even the one of animals, they control the weather). Balaur's where originaly snakes. The snakes of the land gathered and fought each other to death until only one stands victorious, then he eats a magical stone, and sleeps underground for up to 7-12 years, and for each year he slept he gains a new head. A balaur can control the weather, can breath fire, it can fly, breath under water or dig under ground, and it can make magic spells.

    • @yesman1743
      @yesman1743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And about the Saint George dragon slaying myth. In Romania we have the motif of the Thracian Horseman, who is slaying a dragon with a spear. Some scholars say that is the Dacian god of thunder and storms Gebeleisis. Gebeleisis is similar to Zeus from Greek mythology.

    • @yesman1743
      @yesman1743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrBlazingup420 I'm talking about mythology.

  • @CN-dv9nj
    @CN-dv9nj ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a great dragon short story that came to my mind one day out of the blue. I let my then therapist read it. He loved it, then began to take every cool piece and had us symbolize it with my then life situation. lol. So I have a unique internal concept and connection to dragons. 10 sec and loving this haha. Thanks.

  • @telleroftales5309
    @telleroftales5309 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So much information. So many loose ends tied together. I will need to revisit this video. Brilliantly researched and presented

  • @starfleetau
    @starfleetau 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    really nicely researched and liked the subtle use of alpha and omega at times.

  • @meep3035
    @meep3035 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The celtic figures holding serpents is very reminiscent to the Minoan figurine of a goddess holding snakes in each hand.

  • @emmansmp45
    @emmansmp45 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    OK, but... What about dragons?

  • @marcusg.2910
    @marcusg.2910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your content is just GREAT. I fall asleep to it sometimes, but it's hard to because I want to stay awake and hear everything and take notes or start researching on my own lol

  • @3rdeye671
    @3rdeye671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The wings on Dragons could also be related to these wise and benevolent beings as being 'Shamanic' symbols, like that of Hermes in Greek mythology, a messenger of the Gods, or one who can travel the spiritual realms and communicate with the ancestors and powerful beings of the spiritual realms.

    • @thatguyharambe8757
      @thatguyharambe8757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I find it incredibly interesting that Mesoamericans share the idea of flying serpents, as well. I would venture to guess that Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan is a reflex of the northeastern asian cultures, meaning that the imagery of a serpent that can fly/is feathered is very, very, very old.

    • @3rdeye671
      @3rdeye671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thatguyharambe8757 a Shaman wearing a cloak of dark feathers. On Gobekli Tepi's 'Vulture' T-pillar, the depictions of vultures have forward bending knees, like a human has. This associate's 'bird-men' and 'feathered-cloaked' men as some kind of 'Shamanic' figure, a messenger of the God's, guide to the souls of the dead. We can also relate this to the North American native tribes tales of the 'Thunder-Birds' shape shifting powerful beings that can transform into bird-like forms.

    • @thatguyharambe8757
      @thatguyharambe8757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@3rdeye671 Yeah, but I'm interested in the motif I talked about specifically.

    • @3rdeye671
      @3rdeye671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thatguyharambe8757 yes that is what I am alluding too. Depictions of Gods/beings with wings or feathered is related to Shamanic practices, with out of body astral travelling, or your soul leaving the physical body is depicted as bird like. Your spirit form shown as winged, and bird like.

    • @ryanmay1298
      @ryanmay1298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Seems true, as such a meaning was later yoinked by Christianity to portray Angels as winged, being able to traverse spiritual realms, and thus by Demons (fallen Angels) having impotent wings incapable of flight suggesting being bound to one realm. Fascinating comment, best one I've read so far.

  • @hyweljones8026
    @hyweljones8026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really interesting video, I really look forward to the promised follow up on Sumerian/Early Semitic/Indo-European Mythology.
    Isn't Natrix the Latin version of the Proto-Celtic word (whatever that is)?
    Eg. Natrix is the Latin name for a genus of what are commonly known as Grass/Water Snakes over here.
    Interestingly, in Welsh, we have 2 words; neidr (like the Old English nadder) and sarff (which we use kinda like how serpent would be used in English). Again, excellent video, thankyou.

    • @Laotzu.Goldbug
      @Laotzu.Goldbug 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you are interested in the topic, I cannot recommend this channel enough: th-cam.com/channels/hhMB_J0kz8eBJECy4d5uSQ.html

    • @hyweljones8026
      @hyweljones8026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Laotzu.Goldbug Cheers dude.

  • @iamscoutstfu
    @iamscoutstfu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So Tien Long is associated with Draco, where the great unblinking cats eye nebula is.
    Drako can also be seen as "watcher", "one who sees" like an igigi, in a sense.
    Is this the same channel that pointed out that YHWH has draconic influences?
    Apsu and Tiamat are consort dragons, I've heard, just like Fuxi and Nu Wa.
    It makes a lot of sense that the term dragon derives from a word for snake. The serpent was associated with immortality in both the Sumerian and Greek versions of the myth.

    • @Barabel22
      @Barabel22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The channel is Mr. Mythos, and here’s the video:
      th-cam.com/video/XogaHpV5oUs/w-d-xo.html

  • @Dionaea_floridensis
    @Dionaea_floridensis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is awesome, The Histocrat has a great podcast on this subject too!

  • @julialynn6728
    @julialynn6728 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're voice alone is worth listening to, however the research is outstanding! Thank you, Sir

  • @AKNeal81
    @AKNeal81 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad you addressed the complete gap between Sumerian and the sematic languages at the time! There's theories that I find most fascinating that the Sumerians were a people living in the Red Sea area that were displaced by the great ice melt at the end of the younger dryas therefore giving rise to their story of the great flood that for them was very real sending them north bound out of those valleys and meeting up with the sematic speaking peoples moving south from the Taurus Mountains right around the time they show up on the archaeological scene ~5000BC

  • @southernhoodoobelle3099
    @southernhoodoobelle3099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    While I don't agree with some of the information (associating Tiamat with Info European mythology but), I'm a huge dragon girl so I love the video in general!

  • @TheCsel
    @TheCsel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would suspect the flowing and winding of rivers aligned with the imagery of snakes, combined with the flash floods that rush down mountainsides after a storm. giving them the water/river/storm association.

  • @jacktheomnithere2127
    @jacktheomnithere2127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the term "dragon" does indeed mean "to stare", but it also means "serpent" or "giant seafish" and it also means "huge serpent" in other Latin.
    thought i might throw in some more details. wikipedia may not be reliable, but it's the best we've got.
    3:09 i remember reading somewhere that the Emperor of China had a snake on his banner; but added parts of other animals as he conquered other places (they had animals on their banners, too), creating the eastern dragon.

  • @SwordnSorcery
    @SwordnSorcery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I love your channel. Dragon blood runs through my veins.

  • @marywrigjt7614
    @marywrigjt7614 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After watching this show- I’m subscribed.

  • @DanDavisHistory
    @DanDavisHistory 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was brilliant, thank you.

  • @robinconkel-hannan6629
    @robinconkel-hannan6629 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for all, which is considerable, you put into these videos.. They are right up my alley, I enjoy them so much.. Will be making a donation through PayPal.. Keep on keepin' on..

  • @ardanblade641
    @ardanblade641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lightning, long and serpentine, roaring from the clouds, dancing back into them or lancing down and striking with fire. It heralds storms, would be seen almost anytime a water spout appears, can be revered or feared. Sometimes with many heads, sometimes with one.

  • @REALmikegordan
    @REALmikegordan ปีที่แล้ว

    14:50 Xenogears music playing while you're speaking about dragons. Makes me wish to see a story mixing dragons with Xenogears.

  • @mikebacchus721
    @mikebacchus721 ปีที่แล้ว

    great narrator style. thanks for your information.

  • @amberinthebox4462
    @amberinthebox4462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    T-rex are now thought of as having flightless undersized wings and not arms. Soooo.... js. And there's pottery showing humans among dinosaurs. So I honestly imagine that's how it all started.

    • @Amphitera
      @Amphitera 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I often wonder how "accurate" the modern depictions of dinosaurs are. Probably not very. Mosasaurs looked far more serpentine, they're related closely to modern snakes and eels. A big raptor or T-Rex with small wings and feathers would be an almost perfect match for a wyvern. Although it's also possible the small "wings" often shown on medieval dragons weren't wings at all and just something else looking similar, like some sort of crest/fin or even external gills like an axolotl has.

  • @michaelgutierrez9563
    @michaelgutierrez9563 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best presentations I've ever seen!

  • @bardmadsen6956
    @bardmadsen6956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "Canst thou restrain the sweet influences of the Pleiades, ..." The Mesoamericans had the feathered serpent and the Pleiades as a rattle snake associated with the number seven. In Gobekli Tepe one of the central figures stands on seven birds of the Pleiades and holds a dragon or fire fox. The flying serpents and dragons are all about the comet and superbolides of the Taurid Stream which seems to emanate from the Pleiades within the Taurus Constellation. The sky was known as the waters and this natural phenomena comes from the deep ocean and circles around. Compare the 2013 Russian meteor with two smoking vortices to the two Chinese dragons chasing a bright pearl. See my work if incredulous.

    • @jeremyt4292
      @jeremyt4292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I never thought of associating dragons with the pleiades

  • @jaywray4834
    @jaywray4834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really love your content. Keep it up mo chara. 😊

  • @That-Google-Guy
    @That-Google-Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Cannot wait! So pumped!

  • @giuseppersa2391
    @giuseppersa2391 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another absolutely stunning and spellbinding story! Thank you so very much from Giuseppe in Cape Town South Africa 🇿🇦❤🌹😊

  • @tanjahorvatserbiaoldslavsh4685
    @tanjahorvatserbiaoldslavsh4685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am from Serbia ( ex Tito's Yugoslavia, Balkan peninsula, Europe ). Dragons are an important part of Old Slavic mythology. What is the mining of dragons?

    • @meep3035
      @meep3035 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are they good or bad figures in old Slavic mythology?

  • @LethalDragon1
    @LethalDragon1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Ephesians 2 Satan is referred to as "the prince of the power of the air", and in the first chapter of Job he is credited with raining down " the fires of God" and sending a great wind. Job also being the main place where Leviathan is explicitly mentioned and described, a firey serpent in the depths of the oceans tamed by God, this contributes to the pattern.

  • @yodaleiheehu3280
    @yodaleiheehu3280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Our ancestors were trying to describe something that they could not fully understand

  • @coranova
    @coranova 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so happy to hear you reference Professor Jackson Crawford's work and channel!!!!!

  • @aleisterseverusgrey3778
    @aleisterseverusgrey3778 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw a Great Dragon in 1996-97. It was in the sky for over a year. It definitely changed my reality.

    • @maezzologymedia14
      @maezzologymedia14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Was it my good ol friend Puff?

    • @judyjohnson9610
      @judyjohnson9610 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@maezzologymedia14 Yeah, that's the first thing that came to mind. Maybe their reality was 'enhanced'

  • @davidnathanaelmaddox6217
    @davidnathanaelmaddox6217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sir,
    I anxiously await your deep dive into the Mesopotamian overlap…
    In an effort to help, there is a primary source tablet on Lilu that describes a tree, a bird, and a serpent…
    How is it that a primary source Mesopotamia tablet is describing Yggdrasil the world tree?

  • @thegreenmage6956
    @thegreenmage6956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I hope we shall soon see you return to the great work of rebuilding our Celtic culture and religion.

    • @FortressofLugh
      @FortressofLugh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Probably the best thing I can do to do that is continue to focus on general Indo-European myth. If you can learn the parent, you can help to understand the child. I have spent years going over Celtic stuff exclusively, time and again, but there are just too many blank spaces that can only really be understood in connection to the broader Indo-European context.

    • @thegreenmage6956
      @thegreenmage6956 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FortressofLugh I agree.
      But I think that cross-disciplinary study is only valuable for us if we bring it back in to concretise and finalise a clear idea of the pantheon.
      We MUST produce a clear outline on-par with the Norse ‘Viking’ product, or else ‘Celtic’ identity will merely be subsumed into the general ‘heathenry’ identity we’ve seen developing in recent years.
      (You can see this happening with jewellery, ‘Celtic and Viking’ is its own category now, and the diffusion of culture at a base level informs us of its status as a piece of identity.)

    • @lowlandnobleman6746
      @lowlandnobleman6746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Perhaps you both have a point. Obviously, Celtic folk lore being fragmented as it is precludes us from exclusively relying upon it. We need accurate information about other gods from other nations. It will help in the long run. But I reckon the fixation on Proto-Indo-European gets taken a bit too far sometimes. Go read the comments on a Survive the Jive video and you’ll see what I’m talking about. You run a risk of resting in obscurity if you refrain from covering other myths. But if you cover them too frequently, you may find that the only identity people have is Proto-Indo-European, such that they would disregard the sovereignty of their home nations “for the greater good of Indo Europeans”. Something similar already happens in the EU. If given a good chance, people WILL take the easy road and find some larger group in which they may become assimilated. You have both made a good point, I reckon. This was merely intended as food for thought.

    • @McAulay99
      @McAulay99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lowlandnobleman6746 Except that the EU is bent on destroying Europeans.

    • @conmara6492
      @conmara6492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lowlandnobleman6746 yeah, unfortunately the discussion of indo-europeans falls into a lot of extremist talk, as sadly these cultures happen to fall deeply into the interests of such people. It definitely doesnt help when the people who make videos discussing the topic, encourage that kind of behaviour (Survive The Jive being the notable one you mention). There are good folks that aren't extremists that talk about these topics, Fortress of Lugh seems to be one at the moment anyways. Jackson Crawford is a great one for discussing anything to do with the Norse.

  • @lone_cowboy3332
    @lone_cowboy3332 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this! You deserve much more views! I love your chanel,good luck :)

  • @gordonkingman6473
    @gordonkingman6473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tiny Saitama on the dragons head lol 43:42

  • @BeatMage420
    @BeatMage420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Instant like and subscribe from me. I love these topics, I research them heavily. I even watch Jackson Crawford for Old Norse language and myth. I'm really enjoying this, just wanted to say thanks for your work, I'm going to post this in my group where I talk about dragons all the time...

    • @splash5150izy
      @splash5150izy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since you love "Dragon Topics & Research them Extensively," may I present "Mudfossil University" to you, (to which I am subscribed) Roger Spurr is the host of this "TH-cam Channel" there are remains of "Giants & Dragons" all over "The World" the largest of the Dragons is one laying on the surface (desert) of Morocco stretches almost "West to East Coast" around 1000miles. When this thing was alive it could block out "The Sun" it's depicted killing a "Giant Fish" both have been long dead for centuries, interesting channel and information, try it out you'll find it like myself unbelievably great

  • @zeph6439
    @zeph6439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the original view, the word dragon comes from Dracontium, which was an Ophidian Temple. Tales of Knights and such slaying dragons refers to the murder of pagan priests and priestesses, while slaying or "bursting apart" great dragons, refers to the wholesale destruction of Temples.
    To sum up the meaning of the dragon, or winged serpent I refer to Thoth, the first Ophite priest, when he describes the winged serpent glyph (found at the portals to many ancient temples especially in Egypt but also in Greece, where the Gorgoneion or head of Medusa replaces the winged serpent glyph, representative of the Caduceus) as..."God is a circle, with center everywhere and radius nowhere". This means that we are all individual centers of the infinite universe; or, if you like, "we are a circle, within a circle, with no beginning and never ending".
    Thus the dragon represents Deity to pre-patriarchal people, and is the very Aether or electromagnetic life force which defines the universe. The caduceus is representative of the Kundalini force, and thus, it remains as the modern day symbol of the medical profession.

    • @zeph6439
      @zeph6439 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The actual meaning behind the interpretation of drakon/"to see" refers to the third eye, which can only be opened via the awakened and developed Kundalini energy, or life force of the universe. Kundalini is indigenous to the old Goddess religions, which is why Medusa's head or the caduceus features so prominently all over the place. So part of one's initiation into the serpent science of our collective ancestry was to learn all about the chakras or energy centers of the human body, thereby getting to know oneself and see through all of the darkness of ignorance and fear and superstition....which obviously still plagues many people.

  • @danielvalmonte2873
    @danielvalmonte2873 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really glad I found your channel.

  • @JoshuaPerkins-by2rj
    @JoshuaPerkins-by2rj ปีที่แล้ว

    How did I miss this one? Thoroughly enjoyed this video, such detail and in depth. I also agree more and more everyday that we need to see the Middle East a little more as a collective place, where certainly there would have been contributions from Steppe Indo - Europeans.

  • @cynicalskeptic
    @cynicalskeptic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember that Iranian god Ahriman was turned into a horse which got me thinking after watching your video... There is some weird mythological and linguistical connection between horses and snakes in Indo-European ethos. Celts in Ireland have some demon half-horse and half-snake. With the Slavs (Serbs) there's a story about a nightmare that was bothering some man whenever he slept. So he went on with a horse across the world to find some place where he could sleep. He found a house of some tailor asking him of he could sleep there. The man laid on the bed, covered himself with a blanket, and once he fell asleep, he started being restless the tailor noticed something like a snake that's moving under the blanket so he took his scissors and cut the blanket in that place. The man was finally at peace and slept until morning. When he got up and decided to leave, he went to a stable and found his horse dead with throat cut open. The tailor then told him what happened.
    I think I heard that Celts have similar if not the exact same story somewhere. Btw horse female is called a mare in English, in Slavic it's called kobyla (kob - bad faith or destiny).

  • @kittimcconnell2633
    @kittimcconnell2633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the dragon myth was either changed by or born out of blacksmithing; hoarding wealth, living in a hot cave, breathing fire

  • @78thandSynth
    @78thandSynth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a rad channel - thanks for this.

  • @Allyourheroswenttohell
    @Allyourheroswenttohell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo can you point me in a direction to read about zahhak and the story of him breaking his chains? I have spent at least an hour trying to find something to match up. Normally I'm very good at researching things like this but I can't find anything at all besides the story of him being chained.

  • @drrichardpaul
    @drrichardpaul ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are more than 2,000 Ancient texts of all cultures that describe “dragons”. These vary in size, capabilities, etc. Some fly. Others have long necks. Some have short front legs. Does any of this sound familiar? It should. Until 1910, it was thought that dragons did exist, but they couldn’t verify if any remained alive. In encyclopedias before 1905 on the topic, they maintain dragons are real, but very few remained, if any.

    • @Amphitera
      @Amphitera 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the problem with that is that fossils were few and often just a single bone. Unlikely a whole skeleton has ever been unearthed until modern times. People would have had no means to tell what the creature really looked like. Meanwhie, world wide, dragon depiction are ubiquitous and detailed. Unless dinosaurs survived up to the middle ages, which has been theorized.

  • @parchment543
    @parchment543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you make a video on the differences between medieval Gaelic, that is to say the stage of the language during the “Irish golden age” and current Gaelic dialects? I had watched your video on what is the “proper” name for the gaels and I noticed how different a word like “goidellic” is from “galdhig” or “Gaelic”.

  • @naturalmystic5098
    @naturalmystic5098 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the English language, is it proper to emphasize the sound of "R's" in the pronunciation of words?
    Thank you for passing your knowledge. Great video.

  • @speke3055
    @speke3055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve heard theories about large flying dinosaurs existing much much later than is commonly thought

    • @benjimenfranklin7650
      @benjimenfranklin7650 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Revelation 9:14-19 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
      And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
      And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
      And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
      By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
      For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
      I believe the horses with heads like lions are actually dragons ,Drake dragons.

  • @DonnaNonnaFoFanna
    @DonnaNonnaFoFanna ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a thought; but hearing the descriptions of these dragons sound like volcanic eruptions. Boiling water, lightning in ash clouds, poisiinous gas, poisoning water....

  • @Ken-ck6cz
    @Ken-ck6cz ปีที่แล้ว

    It seams obvious that a few thousand years ago, a welshman stumbled on a t rex fossil remains, had no idea what it was and called it a dragon and a myth was born.

  • @stairwayunicorn4861
    @stairwayunicorn4861 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As cryptids go, dragons are probably the most iconic and could legitimately be used as a heraldic blazon for planet Earth

  • @richarddeese1087
    @richarddeese1087 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. Ancient Greek Monster Zero! Since dragons (and snakes) are often associated with rivers & water, I've often wondered if ancient peoples might have looked at winding rivers & thought, 'A dragon must've lain here'. tavi.

  • @nobodyexceptme7794
    @nobodyexceptme7794 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Xenogears soundtrack always hitting

  • @zayviermoodie9173
    @zayviermoodie9173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that was very in but what about the cultures of the Americas

  • @Lucky-tt2yq
    @Lucky-tt2yq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I am proud to be European.

    • @TheAnthery
      @TheAnthery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No reason to be proud of where you were born.

    • @epwlod777
      @epwlod777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheAnthery why not?
      I'm a proud American of Northern European descent. 3rd gen.
      My ancestors created your ability to be a self righteous sjw neomarxist.
      So does that same logic apply to Puerto Ricans?
      Japanese?
      Oh wait here's a good pc one, the Sino people, meaning Han Chinese because I'm sure your cognitive abilities are hampered.
      Because you hate yourself is not a reason for other to hate their history.
      Good talk.

    • @feldgrau2664
      @feldgrau2664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheAnthery Found the roɵtless glɵbỏho͍mo nihilist. The post-modern NPC per excellence, product of decades of głơbặlɨ̞st mėdᴉa indɵctrination. Has more pride in owning the latest Iphone than Blood, Ancestry and Culture. *spᴉt*

    • @FortressofLugh
      @FortressofLugh  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Everyone, from all ethnic groups, should be proud of their ancestors and themselves as part of something that transcends their own mortal existence, and which they play a part in. This is the natural expression of man, which you see in sports, in group projects, etc, and within the family. One's ethnic group is like a giant extended family. Just as one who works on building a ship along with hundreds of others takes pride in their work, and their children take pride in their father's accomplishments, so too the extended ethnic group takes pride in the past traditions and accomplishments of the entire society. I have been to China many times, and this is a completely normal thing there. Peoples in many European ethnic groups have been conditioned to think this is some terrible thing only when people of European decent express it. Yet by rejecting it, we separate ourselves from our origins, our culture, our traditions and a key aspect that links us to other people in our group - cutting us off from a social and spiritual element of life that leads to depression and other increased mental health issues. It isn't about where you are born, but the group into which, and from which you are born.

    • @feldgrau2664
      @feldgrau2664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@FortressofLugh Well said. 👏

  • @levidragon8402
    @levidragon8402 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many blessings people . Love this video .

  • @desmonides
    @desmonides 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The word, “dinosaur” is roughly only 200 yrs old. Before it’s conception, what we call dinosaur bones were historic referred to as “dragon bones”.
    Also there are mentions of them in the journals of Marco Polo as well as contemporary accounts of “dinosaur” sightings. (e.g. mokele mbembe, etc)

  • @yetmanalstruth4684
    @yetmanalstruth4684 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful work my friend, thank You very much :-)

  • @NP-sd9md
    @NP-sd9md ปีที่แล้ว

    Easy to imagine exploring a river or stream, watching water drip off rocks, or seeing lightning or tornados inspiring serpent imagery. The myths describe these relationships directly. Not sure why these other explanations are so popular, like dinosaurs fossils, given that you have to discard the myths completely to insert such a modern origin theory.

  • @-Nate_Dawg-
    @-Nate_Dawg- ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm surprised Jungian archetype of our collective consciousness wasn't mentioned. One hypothesis is that dragons are an amalgamation of predators we have feared for millions and millions of years; birds of prey, big cats and poisonous snakes. Though this wouldn't explain the shared motifs in disparate myths and legends.

  • @SEKreiver
    @SEKreiver 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent work!

  • @davidallard1980
    @davidallard1980 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job on this one bro

  • @NyarlathotepCrawlingChaos
    @NyarlathotepCrawlingChaos ปีที่แล้ว

    To correct you on two points:
    1. The earliest depictions and representations of dragons-meaning mythic and often chimeric serpents with various mystical attributes and capabilities, and being closely associated with natural and unnatural cycles, as well as with storms and waters-are in fact from southern and eastern Africa, and have been attested to with rock carvings and paintings much earlier than the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
    2. Tiamat is strictly associated with Babylonian culture and mythology, not the much earlier Sumerian culture and mythology. Most people tend to assume the two are so similar that they are essentially the same, but this is in fact false, and there is a very significant difference between the two (it’s an easy mistake to make with all the misinformation out there, however, so it’s no fault of yours that you made that mistake). The closest parallel to the Babylonian figure of Tiamat within the earlier Sumerian mythologies is Nammu, though this is only because of her association with seas and salt waters. Beyond this, the nature of the character of Nammu is radically different from that of Tiamat. It is also worth mentioning that in Sumerian mythology, there are many dragons/serpents, including many of those adopted by the later Babylonian mythology as the children of Tiamat, many of whom were actually considered to be divinities alongside the other, more human-like gods (some supposedly even had their rule over certain city-states). There is also the dragon known as Kur, who resides in the underworld, and is the brother and kidnapper of Ereshkigal, the goddess who ruled the underworld. He is also supposedly the oldest dragon recorded in Sumerian mythology.

  • @johnnyllooddte3415
    @johnnyllooddte3415 ปีที่แล้ว

    a 60 ft dragon like creature was unearthed in zhangjakou china a few years ago

  • @gripp8572
    @gripp8572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! You left out American dragons. Plummed serpent

  • @TheCsel
    @TheCsel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ancient greeks had a lot of draconic or snakelike monsters, Echidna, Typhon, Python, Hydra, etc. but also good serpent-like figures such as Cecrops a snake? person who founded Athens.

  • @lionhartd138
    @lionhartd138 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    24:09 - salmon - salamander - ? I've seen salamanders depicted as big, fire dwelling dragon - like creatures (DnD monster manual ). I think we may be onto something here.

  • @janabod9041
    @janabod9041 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    woooow thanks so much for this!

  • @huanhoundofthevailinor2374
    @huanhoundofthevailinor2374 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it be right to think that St Patrick myth of clearing all snakes from Ireland could be linked to him actually getting rid of dragons or dragon instead

  • @danbeck8188
    @danbeck8188 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dragons are real

  • @nevisysbryd7450
    @nevisysbryd7450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The parallels and cognates need not necessarily come from a shared source. This concept is also ubiquitous among the Americas and Australia. It could just as well have at least partial origin as a universal human archetype that humans everywhere thus articulated both independently and convergently.
    I doubt the bit about their breath being lightning. Far more dragons spew poison/venom than fire, and other than parts of Eastern Europe (eg the zmei), they almost always have an antagonist relationship with powers that use or rule over lightning.
    Most dragons also do not fly but slither on the ground and/or through the water. Flying ones, though universal, seem to be a less common subset in most mythologies.
    For Absu and Tiamat, each of them are associated with a different form of water, and are both associated precious freshwater.

  • @miroslavmalivukovic1534
    @miroslavmalivukovic1534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the Serbian language there is the word "talas", meaning wave. It's a lone-word from Greek. Maybe it has some relation to your hypothesis?

  • @lllPlatinumlll
    @lllPlatinumlll ปีที่แล้ว

    Warteerrrr Biiiirrrrrds Warteeerrrr and more warteeerrrrs. Nice video, I believe it is connected to the warteeeerrrs.

  • @marywrigjt7614
    @marywrigjt7614 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you.!

  • @Ciprian-IonutPanait
    @Ciprian-IonutPanait 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just wanted to note that the word dragon in ancient times although it meant snake it also applied to lizards.

  • @davidcoleman8275
    @davidcoleman8275 ปีที่แล้ว

    The word "dinosaur" did not become known until 1841 when coined by Richard Owen.

  • @saeedehtahmasbi8583
    @saeedehtahmasbi8583 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am happy to face such a deep channel

  • @elizabethlyons1066
    @elizabethlyons1066 ปีที่แล้ว

    App ardently I've been mispronouncing Oceanus wrong all these years.

  • @jamestitus472
    @jamestitus472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wondering why you didn't explore the Rainbow and Winged serpents of indigenous Americas and Austrailia. These are also ass. w water.