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Jonathan Rhys Meyers stars in this original, history-based drama series as the young, vibrant King Henry VIII, a competitive and lustful monarch who navigates the intrigues of the English court and the human heart with equal vigor and justifiable suspicion. Natalie Dormer ("Anne Boleyn"), Jeremy Northam ("Thomas More"), Maria Doyle Kennedy ("Queen Katherine"), James Frain ("Thomas Cromwell") and Peter O'Toole ("Pope Paul III") round out the all-star cast of this lavish epic.
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Another irony, Jane Seymour married the king 11 days after Anne Boleyns execution. Jane then died 11 days after Prince Edwards birth
Juanita Richards irony or KARMA?
m p Karma
Karma, probably karma.
She dies 12 days later
I believe in karma
From what I've read and heard, Mary actually did care for Elizabeth when she was a child, and that they had a pretty decent relationship. I think it was after Mary became Queen that that relationship began to crumble, due to Mary's distrust of Elizabeth, as well as their difference in religious beliefs.
It was long before Mary became Queen. Elizabeth had a bewitching personality just like her mother had.....so Henry VIII made sure sad and sober persons were her teachers and servants. At 14 Mary was aware that Thomas Seymour was dallying with her in Catherine Parrs house......and Elizabeth had a crush on him, and she did secretly entertain thoughts of his marriage proposal after Catherine Parr died. Mary knew all this. Her coquettish behaviour reminded Mary of Anne Boleyn. So it was from Elizabeths adolescence that Mary resented her.
@Jlord37 That was later. But Mary despised her from adolescence onwards. She was thought to be coquettish like her mother had been - the dalliance with Katherine Parrs husband - she caught Elizabeth in his arms and Liz wasn't resisting. She also entertained his marriage proposals as soon as K. Parr died. This was infamous at court.
Mary was made to be a servant to Elizabeth in her household. And anytime referred to herself as a princess instead of Elizabeth, Anne told the others to box her ears, and remind her that she was now a bastard! So no wonder she resented Elizabeth probably from the very beginning, as she took her role as princess and heir to the throne, and Mary was now referred to as Lady Mary. But as a sister I'm sure she had times where she did love her, but the bad things that happened to her because of Anne never left her mind, and it probably made her blood boil, and when that happens sister or not, you better get out of the way. Especially during her years as queen!!
wow, where do some of you folks get your info from??? pretty strange stuff! Mary always had a resentment for Elizabeth since the day she was born. She lost her royal status and was sent to Elizabeth's household while Elizabeth was an infant to serve her as the royal princess! Mary and her mother were treated horribly by the king. Mary was catholic, Elizabeth was protestant. As they grew up, they tolerated each other and when Mary ascended the throne, Elizabeth accompanied her into London. Because of religious differences, Mary became even more distrustful of Elizabeth. She just may have imprisoned Elizabeth longer, or worse, but for the timely intervention of Mary's husband, Philip of Spain, who advised her against further action against Elizabeth. Mary wanted to be in her husband's good graces more than anything else and once she believed she was pregnant, that was the end of that.
It was the prince of spain, and religion, and her advisors that drove the sisters apart
Marys love of a roving eyed prince blinded her to his faults, and all the religious beliefs
this show's name was not Henry the Eight, it was The Tudors. Therefore this show had to go on at least two more seasons, and show us the Bloody Mary and Queen Elizabeth.
FurMusik that would have been awesome
FurMusik Check out ‘Reign’ it is about Mary, Queen of Scots vs Elizabeth 1 battle for the throne...(Bloody Mary is not featured in it sadly..😔)
You just watch Michael Hirst's movie Elizabeth for that one. :D
Mission accomplished with the depiction of Henry VIII. The drama caused by men is much more interesting
Alma Shatri: Too bad that you would find watching a show that would have included the greatest Queen of England boring. Obviously, you are in the minority. There have been several popular dramatizations of the life of Elizabeth I. She made England into a world power--something Henry VIII was incapable of.
I would love it if Showtime would do a 'The Tudors: The Next Generations' series.
That would be awesome. They could do three seasons:
First season: Edward VI (with a little bit of Lady Jane Grey)
Second season: Mary I
Third season: Elizabeth I.
Why didn't they do this? Was the show not popular enough? You know each and every fan would have watched each one of those.
The only problem would have been that a lot of the magic of the saga would have been lost without Jonathan's portrayal of Henry.
Wesley Foreman iii
mrsparkle001 Was the show not popular enough? Are you for real with this question? The show was wildly popular.
Which makes me wonder why they wouldn't want to continue that success, like they thought it wasn't popular enough.
I think, in the end, Queen Anne had the last laugh, when her daughter, Elizabeth eventually became Queen.. Not only was she a very good Queen, but one of the best Queens there had ever been..
Certainly from a Protestant prospective.
I think most definitely that Katherine of Aragon had the last laugh for several reasons. 1. On the day of her burial, Anne miscarried a son (and never got one), and her fate was doomed. 2. Her daughter became queen, and had the power over what to do with Elizabeth at the time - Mary 1 gave us Elizabeth 1.
I imagine it would have been quite difficult for a severed and decomposed head to laugh.
But Anne of Cleeves got to keep her head, a castle, and remain in court as a favored subject of the King. I'd say she got out best of all.
@@MorganMalfoy13 And Elizabeth spent quite a bit of time in her household and Anne of Cleaves more or less took her under her wing and treated her like a daughter. Anne was a strong and independent woman and no doubt Elizabeth learned about how to be one from her.
I still regret that they never made a spinoff show about the reign of Edward, Mary and Elizabeth. That show would’ve been amazing. Especially if they were to retain the original actors.
If they ever do a Bloody Mary series they need to get Sarah Bolger back in the role. She was so beautiful in the role.
Elizabeth has her own 2 part movie
Becoming Elizabeth on starz is good only one season tho
who would imagine that the girl who was rejected by her father since the moment she was born one day she would become one of the greatest monarchs in English´s history? wherever her mother is i am pretty sure that she is very but very proud of her, Anne Boleyn gave to Henry the son that he always wanted and desired....
+Armida Villalobos Ortiz - wrong, for she wasn't rejected at all, for if she was, she'd be cut out of the kings will on day 1 but wasn't.
You know it's funny that they revere Elizabeth for who she was. Don't get me wrong I'm not disagreeing, but many people forget that her mother was Anne Boleyn. I can't imagine any other fate for the daughter of the woman that made King Henry change the world. He turned his realm into a place of calamity and disorder all to love a woman who gave him a daughter in the end. The most famous daughter and one of the greatest rulers of all time...I wish I could ask him if he was proud?!!!!
+Lachenai Jones eventually it proved beneficial for England and became one of the most powerful nation in Europe
Jane Seymour gave him a son but he lived, Anne's son's she had did not
Lisa Rado Elizabeth was the son that Anne give Henry
It too ironic that the child that he didn't want and need from birth would become one of the greatest rulers all because she was born a girl
Even if they did bring the series back, it would never measure up to the power and magic of Seasons 1 and 2. There was something so timeless about it, and the story between Anne Boleyn and Henry VIII was absolutely spectacular. It took me to another world.
I agree. Seasons 1 and 2 were pure perfection.
My thoughts exactly tbh. Jonathan and Natalie are iconic as Henry and Anne. The people who play Wolsey and Cromwell and Catherine of Aragon did spectacular jobs as well.
sereneandtranquil I also liked Jeremy Northam as Thomas More. Both he and Cromwell were well done, and that’s so hard to do. Kind family men, but also completely fixed in their belief to the point of allowing torture and killing of those they deemed enemies of God. It’s hard to play that well. Thomas More had some very interesting and advanced ideas on raising his kids and seemed a very devoted father and friend. It’s hard to come to terms with both sides in one person. Deftly done.
your totally right like season 1&2 were so different that the others
@@cassie-bv9sntheir chemistry was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I loved the Tudors, but what he is saying is inaccurate. Hertford wasn't the Lord protector when Edward was dying. Hertford had been executed a year before. It was John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland who tried to replace Mary and Elizabeth with Lady Jane Grey.
Brennon Flowers You're right. If memory serves, he tried to make his son Guilford (I believe thst was how it was spelled) Dudley de facto king of England by having him marry Jane Grey. Since he kept his son under his thumb, he would have been the one holding the reins. But then Mary won out.
@@casanova317 That wasn't the reason. He was caught entering King Edwards bedchamber and had killed his dog, appearing to intend harm to the King.
Keyser Soze
Thomas Seymour was executed for treason. His attempt to seduce young Elizabeth was very small part of it. Mostly, his envy of his brother’s Edward position was the reason behind his poorly thought through actions. It was reported Thomas, being the head of English Navy was seen to get the Navy support to rebel against his brother (and ES, his brother, being The Lord Protector, this meant rebelling against his nephew the king as well). ES tried to remedy the situation and called Thomas before Privy Council, but Thomas did not arrive. The last straw was Thomas entering the young king’s apartment, armed (which was also against the law) with the intension of removing the king to gain control over his person, and asking the king for more power at court and in the realm. However, Edwards’ dog barked, Thomas killed it, but too late. Barking alerted the guards and Thomas was captured armed and next to the Kong’s bedchamber, which was enough to execute him for treason in and of itself. Thomas was found guilty of treason on multiple counts (33 or 34 counts of treason) and beheaded within a month after conviction.
Edward, the King, wrote a very short and rather indifferent and unemotional mention of Thomas’s execution is his diary on the day of it.
100% correct.
@@milanamughal How does anyone know what was going on in the mind of Thomas Seymour that night, really? That was his defense in court? He sounds very foolish.
I wouldn't mind seeing a prequel of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, and then the stories of Edward, Mary and Elizabeth. Mary's actor however Sarah Bolger needs to stay as Mary and maybe the same red-headed girl who played Elizabeth. It would be perfect as both have grown since the show ended and just keeping up the continuity of seeing a face you remember from The Tudor's series. Of course this is my imagination but it would be nice if it became reality.
I definitely agree with you!
I'd absolutely love to see a "prequel" to The Tudors staring King Henry VIII father, Henry VII and his mother Elizabeth of York. A lot of people don't know much about Henry Tudor (King Henry VII) and how he became king. Even the tragic story of his mother, Margaret Beaufort is one that's worth telling. The poor girl was forced to marry at the age of 12, and then getting pregnant at the age of 13 with her only child Henry Tudor is just heartbreaking!
Well actually either showtime or HBO I don't remember which is producing a show called The White Princess which is technically a sequel to the White Queen but I'm pretty sure it is about the early years of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York
KnightOwl61687 Yeah! The White Princess JUST began airing like 2 weeks back, it's the prequel :) And there's also The White Queen who was Elizabeth of York's mother so look into that!
The White Princess was good but it's not coming back for a second season so we're stuck again.
mrsparkle001 I can't understand why they bring us these awesome dramas that give such insight to the Tudors as well as the others of their time and both before and after as well only to have it all come to a halt.
I mean I get that the stories have to end eventually and we all know what happened anyway (well those of us who know our history) but why start something like they did with The White Princess if they were just going to end it there?
they should do more series like this... I enjoyed and learned so much more watching this than any history class I took in high school or college!
Elizabeth: I dont want to know what your religious practice is, so long a you are loyal to me" :) long live the Queen!
Also Elizabeth:
Burns Catholics
@@jinnyapolinario1856 A lot of it was due to treason tho. Just saying
The Irish would like a word with you.
@@jinnyapolinario1856 She didn't burn them. Elizabeth beheaded people for treason. If they refused to be loyal to her for religious reasons, well, that's still treason. She never burned people simply for religious grounds alone without them having committed political crimes as well, which was not punishable by burning but beheading. At least not according to any history books I've read.
Edward VI is such a tragedy. He was the brightest and best of them all and died so horribly , so young.
How ironic that in the end the heir who would secure England's fututre was not the son he had long wanted but the daughter he once discarded and whose mother he killed. Long live Elizabeth the Virgin Queen of the Golden Age!
@Jlord37 Virgin meant "not married and without children" at that time.
But only ended up with the rise to power of the Stuarts.
@@jinnyapolinario1856 well everything comes with a price. She couldn't be with the man she loves because she had to put the welfare of the kingdom above all else. Plus Elizabeth was really careful with her sexual reputation wherein she presents herself as a sacrosanct monarch you wouldn't dare touch unlike her cousin Mary Queen of Scots who let her emotions rule her all the time that got her involved with two morons that she ended up being viewed by her own people as a slut. It was never easy for James I being the successor of such a great queen.
Ira Williams good point. My main point is that how many lives did Henry sacrifice to have a son only ended up their dynasty. I understand the political and personal urge of Henry but he also forgot that the real reason his marriage with Catherine was push so the Tudors can make their reign acceptable. He was descended from an illegitimate ruler. Catherine on the other side has more rights being descended from a legal English monarch.
Her half sister Mary did a great job as a queen (except her religion acts) and Elizabeth used well her sister;s acts
If Princess Elizabeth had been put to death on order of Mary, then who would have followed Mary to the throne upon her own death? Her marriage to King Philip had produced no children. I wonder whether the throne would have passed to her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots.
+steven franklin It would have gone in this order: Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots; Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley; Charles Stuart, 1st Earl of Lennox.
+Rhaegar Targaryen Imagine that. No Elizabethan Era. The tentative Reformation begun by Henry would have been undone. Spain would likely have faced no rival in the colonization of the Americas. Spain would not have endured the defeat of its Armada. (In fact, there would have been no need for such an Armada to be constructed.) Playwrights like Shakespeare would have faced a decidedly less friendly atmosphere.
Ah uh
It would not have been Queen of scots. Henry excluded the Scottish line of his sister Margaret from the succession (which Elizabeth later ignored in handing the succession over to a tudor grandson James I in 1603). Henrys succession act and will had the Greys as next in line (the descendants of Brandon and Mary Tudor his younger sister). So it would have been Jane Grey who would legally have become queen or her rather ditzy far less educated sister.
Mary might have wanted it to be Queen of Scots since she was a catholic but who knowws if she'd have had a choice since Mary was a foreigner in France and the Greys were right there
I thought the will cut out Margaret's descendants and Mary's was the only one included because her children were all English?
I don't think this guy did a very good job at explaining why Mary didn't sign Elizabeth's death warrant. I highly doubt it was solely because it was their fathers will. Mary had plenty reason to hate her father. I think in the end, Mary refused to sign because she loved her sister. She had a hand in rearing her and Elizabeth had been loyal to her during the Lady Jane Gray situation when Mary took up arms and raised an army against Jane and took England for herself where she and Elizabeth rode into London together.
I'm wondering if theres even any accurate info bout this stuff.
Jo Seph
Exactly. Mary and Elizabeth surely had a rocky relationship, there was a lot of pain there for both of them, but I think it’s inaccurate of this guy to say that Mary simply disliked Elizabeth.
Marys fear of God was very real if she executed elizabeth while she was truly innocent she would be condemned by god
Mary and Elizabeth are not sisters, they are cousins
Banana Brittany
Mary Stuart and Elizabeth are cousins.
They’re talking about Elizabeth’s older sister Mary Tudor.
Henry VIII sounded a bit like yoda at the end. I couldn't stop giggling
Be wary, the darkside, of the Spanish, should you.
so wish they'd have carried on,to the next generations.
There was only one Tudor generation after Henry - Edward, Mary & Elizabeth. After Elizabeth, the throne passed to Mary Queen of Scots son, James VI of Scotland /James I of England. His son was Charles I...and that's a whole other story.
Beemoji If they sort of balanced the narrative so that Mary Stuart and her son were not seen as villains, then they could continue through to the Stuart line, but honestly if they spanned even two decades a season, just until the end of the Tudor reign, that’s a lot of material to work with.
its sad how in the end he ended up alone but he deserved it
+Demi Guerrero - you idiot, he was hardly alone as he had a wife an 3 children + a royal court !
Please use respect when talking to people.
Acdragonrider Videos thank u he didn't have to call me an idiot p.s he was alone he sent his 3 kids away
Demi Guerrero The hell are you talking about? How the hell did he end up alone? He died whilst still being married to his final wife, Catherine Parr and whilst having left three children who would succeed him. Good grief...do you research before you go talking out of your ass.
Henry was surrounded by his Court, his wife and his children. But in his heart and soul he was alone. He abused his family and had friends and family members killed. He was a cruel man, and in the end I think his soul was haunted by guilt for all the evil deeds he had done. You Reap What You Sow Henry!!!!
What a great director and writer of this show ...wow...such a great series
Why didn't they continue in to Edward's and Mary's reigns!? I understand not wanting to redo Elizabeth but some on!
I thought that it was the Duke of Northumberland that tried to put Jane on the throne, not Hereford....
Katheryne Koelker it was. They got it wrong
actually almost none of the 300 or so who burnt at the stake were traitors nor did Mary's regime say they were traitors. They were condemned as heretics not traitors. Mary and Elizabeth did execute almost the same number of persons but Elizabeth executed that number as traitors over 30 years (and none in her first 12 years) Mary executed a similar number in 3 years as heretics for little things such as not being able to name the 7 sacraments.
And Elizabeth was not as tolerant of Catholics as presented. While not as fanatical as Mary perhaps, Catholics were persecuted.
The speaker has his history wrong! Hertford had been executed before Edward died. It was John Dudley, the Duke of Northumberland, who tried to place his daughter-in-law and grandniece of Henry VIII on the throne. He failed and was executed shortly thereafter. Jane was imprisoned, but was not immediately executed until there was another uprising against Mary Tudor when she announced she would marry Philip of Spain. That is the same Philip who sent the Armada against Elizabeth's England many years later. BTW, most royal Tudor boys died in their teens from some disease or another. That includes Prince Arthur, Henry Fitzroy, and the son of Mary Rose Tudor (Queen of France briefly) and Charles Brandon. So it's not too mysterious that Edward died young, too. Besides the two Henry Tudors, Margaret Tudor's son, King James V of Scotland, is the only one I can think of who made it to full adulthood.
Right You Are!
Goodness how I miss this show.
one of the best shows i ever watched, ima miss it but it ended on a good note :)
YOu'd be dissapointed, there was nothing really "Bloody" about her. More people were put to death in the reign of her father and the reign of her younger sister. History shows she was a capable Queen and improved England in the short time she had..ELizabeth just took the credit for alot of Mary's work then slandered her. It's just a sad story.
ClassiJazz Don't be ridiculous.Bloody Mary was not a good Queen.He brought terror and chaos the short time she ruled.
MultiEvil85 Oh, and Elizabeth was a great queen was she...? How exactly, other than history embellishing how "great" she was just because she was Anne Boleyn's daughter? Elizabeth slaughtered massive numbers of catholics and innocent lives of her own. People just like to gloss it over in favour of referring to her as some sort of magnificent queen. Frankly, she's the sole reason the Tudor dynasty died---because she failed to marry and have children.
I hate that people say the Tudor’s line ended with Elizabeth yes Henry’s line ended but the tudors still live on the tudors continued through a daughter the eldest Margaret it was her great grandson that continued the line and still continues to the day his line was called Stuart but he was a Tudor
Marys regin was called bloody because of why she put them to death not numbers. Elizabeth executed for treason, thats why those preists etc died, very few for heresy. Mary executed you for your opinions, Elizabeth for trying to murder her
The Tudors claim might had been false. If Edward VI was bastard which has been looked in to in some studies. Then George of Clarance children Margaret (Pole) and Edward Earl of Warwick was the real claimants to the throne. Since that Edward was imprisoned and then killed on the orders of Henry VII (hate him for that) the real legitimate heirs are Margaret Poles children.
Mary was queen but not the queen england wanted. Elizabeth was the true queen since by law katherine of Aragon wasnt his legal wife. She was a great lady but wasnt the rightful queen . Anne was. Its why Edward and mary died so shortly after taking the throne. Elizabeth was pure and reigned for 45 years. Henry knew it as well
I wonder if Henry ever thought that one day Anne's daughter Elizabeth would be a greatest queen of all time and would bring the golden age.
Elizabeth Tudor and Henry II, the two greatest English monarchs.
So, Elizabeth had "a wonderful tolerant attitude" and did not care what one believed - the historical truth is very different.
mainsqueeze1977 Hey, as long as the burnings stopped
Compared to the rest of her family she did!
mainsqueeze1977 She didn't care about the Catholics until they tried to overthrow her. She didn't execute people for simply BEING Catholic.
You know whats ironic. Mary was the daughter of Katherine of Aragon who was beloved by a lot of people. Mary ended up being the most hated queen of English history. Elizabeth was the daughter of Anne Boleyn who was hated by people. Elizabeth ended up being the greatest monarch of English history. I thinks thats ironic. I love this show though.
There are some great book on how the Tudor Histories are being rewritten today. It's really quite fascinating.
I liked the show but it always has historical inaccuracies
they should have kept the tudor series running, following mary and elizabeth
@AnneBoleyn15
Neither was Mary "the most hated" nor was her half-sister "the Greatest monarch in English history" - not by far.
At Mary's reign most of the country was catholic.
I loved watching the Tudors on show time now i have all the DVDs of the show
After watching The Tudors from beginning to end with great interest, I think I'm going to have to check out the Cate Blanchett films about Elizabeth. Henry the VIII has to be one of the most fascinating monarchs of known history, second only maybe to Julius Caesar. Definitely going to miss this show.
Let's be real...everyone low-key only cared about Elizabeth 😂🤣
and they didn't even talk that much about her :(
I care about Edward, he’s a little cherub
I cared only about Mary I, and also Catherine of Aragon, and Anne Boleyn, and Jane Seymour, and Anne of Cleves, and Katherine Howard, and Catherine Parr.
I love this show. I’m watching it for the second time in Netflix
He mentioned that Mary never liked Elizabeth. But I thought they had a close sister relationship when they were younger...? It only turned bad in Mary's reign.
They were very close during Elizabeth's formative years. Elizabeth even supported Mary's claim to the throne during Jane Grey's reign. They didn't drift apart till much later.
Bring back the Tudor Legacy to Showtime!!!!!
Liz persecuted Catholicism before anyone tried to depose her. It was her first move as queen. Cromwell rose because he moved against the abbeys (money for his King), he fell for different reasons. Which abbey's did Liz restore? Other rulers supported arts etc. without being a tyrant. Should we respect rulers like the Shah of Iran because of his funding of culture?
I always feel torn between who my favorite queen was. Katharine (Catherine, however you prefer it spelled) of Aragon had to go through so much, yet she was a good queen. She was tolerant, patient, loving, and I admire her. But Anne of Boleyn, the exact opposite is also admirable. Anne knew what she wanted, and although it was her ambition that killed her, went through everything to get it. However if Anne didn't put Mary through hell, both Mary and Elizabeth would have been great queens.
I feel that Mary was doomed no matter what. His father would have done anything except making her his heir. He would not have consented to a marriage for her while he was alive. Then, she was foolish and married Philip. She fell for him and he didn't not fall for her, which gave him all the power in their relationship. She lost a lot as consequence, while he lost nothing.
@@AnzuBrief I do agree Mary wouldn't have had it easy either way. As much as I feel for her and Katherine, I think Katherine could've prevented Mary's situation from becoming worse if she had agreed to a divorce. Mary would've stayed acknowledged as a princess and It was better than a flat annulment. But alas, Katherine was determined to hang on to her crown and husband, not that you could blame her considering how much she went through for both.
Anyone who wants to find out what happened next , the series, available onyoutube,ELIZABETH R, starts when Edward is king and goes right through mary and elizabeths reigns its 9 hours worth its pure gold
Love the tutors despite the gross historical in accuracies
Edward poisoned? Are you familiar with the weird healing practices that constituted Tudor medicine?
Some of them would have been considered poisoning.
I never thought history can be this interesting :))
Amazing show! I learned a lot watching something I really enjoyed :D
Some of his history is very off!
At the end, it was the child of Anne Boleyn who give him a true and great Ruler. A great queen
I don't see where what you write brings facts in opposition to what I said. I did not defend Mary, I merely contradicted the cult made around Elizabeth the greatest Queen. Sure, Liz was shrewder than her older sister but if anyone wants to blast Mary for her persecutions, let's not be silent about Elizabeth's which affected a far greater percentage of the population.
Elizabeth did not kill anybody for their religions beliefs. She killed traitors... and yet, in far less greater number that her father or her sister (if we compare it to the number of years each of them ruled)
Yeah. It's a shame. Religion and politics tear alot of people apart
this is history at it's best. I've learned so much about English history since the Tudors appeared.
I actually didn't care for that movie. The Elizabeth movies I loved though. THe second one was incredible.
However it was not very accurate. Even though this show took its liberties, I was disappointment by how many things they changed it and made up for the movies. Especially when Elizabeth's life was already amazing. I wanted to see her love story with Dudley. Instead they ruined his character in the first movie and completely erased him for the second.
i wish they would do more series as well. i learn so much about the king and queens
Wish gig would do a films or series about lady Jane grey she is my fave tudor I think and the story is so interesting
No wonder The Tudors was so inaccurate if Michael Hirst cannot get the history correct in this video. Hertford became the Duke of Somerset, and was executed by Edward a few years after his succession. The person who tried to make Lady Jane Grey queen, was John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland. Further Lady Jane Grey was not ever crowned. Mary initially did not execute Jane, but did execute Northumberland very early on, because Mary realised Jane was a pawn.
During interviews they actually said they had combined certain characters into one therefore not to confuse the audience by introducing too many characters.
wow that was wonderful. Like and epilogue to a great story. I loved this show.
The Tudors took the throne by the sin of Regicide. The whole line was cursed right through the Stuarts. They had unprecidented problems with fertility, legal heirs, and securing the succession. They remain the bloodiest dynasty to ever rule England.
One word: Plantagenet.
Not regicode, but warfare. The whole reason for the Wars of the Roses was because of a disputed English succession.
The Tudors did continue: the present royal family is descended from Margaret, Henry VII's eldest daughter.
Well w the fertility issue its cause both sides slept around,cant imagine seeing some type of disease on you and not knowing its causing this or that😖
There were previous regicides and William the Conqueror didn't exactly waltz into England. Then there were the bloody battles between Matilda, daughter of Henry I and her cousin, Stephen. The Tudors did nothing all that unique.
Title : life without Henry
Me: Great
Awesome. I wish the series continued.
Actress Helen Miren did a two part series on Elizabeth I (not to be confused with Miren's Elizabeth the II movie) in her later years, which was fantastic. I would highly recommend it!
Elizabeth I is the most triumph of all ... She is the greatest monarch of all time in English history..
Awesome! Elizabeth was an incredible Queen!
And "incredible" queen who executed hundreds and hundreds of innocent lives. But let's not let facts get in the way of your worship of her or anything.
@@ACS402010 name a single monarch who didn't kill people
I loved this series even if it was highly dramatized but it really should have been called something else. It focused on Henry and his wives. Very little about his even more famous daughter or the many generations of Tudors that came before him.
No I know that, I was just wondering why he said it was Hertford.
It was "Northumberland" "John Dudley" who hatched the plan to put Jane Grey on the throne. Hertford was executed in January 1552, and Edward died, in July 1553.
Elizabeth l was _amazingly_ savvy.
@LCoop1979 Yes, but he was on the throne, LONGER; she killed more people in those 5 years than Henry did in 5 years.
amazing serie! enjoyed watching it!
I recommend everyone to watch this movie it is so worth it.
Mary I 👍.
Wasn't it Lord Dudley that put Lady Jane Grey on the throne. Wasn't Hertfort dead by that time?
I can`t believe how smart was Elizabeth, she preferred to be a tolerant person according religions instead to be against it for me that was a very clever decision Oh My god she has the cleverness of her mother i truly believe so....
Hertford had nothing to do with Lady Jane Grey. He was dead before all that. Hirst is a crap historian. He's much better at fiction.
Tell me 1st what it is that makes Elizabeth (or her monster of father) so great? Her problematic legitimacy? Her oppressive government (no medieval king would have done that)? Her propaganda? Getting lucky with the Armada? Her failure to continue her dynasty? Or simply the length of her reign? What makes her better than Henry 2 or Edwards 1, 3 or 4? Richard 3 would have been great if he had more time IMO. Or is it that coincidentally there was an upsurge in cultural/mercantile activity?
One positive is that it laid the foundations of a secular society. Mary Tudor was a religious fanatic, whereas Elizabeth was far less hands on about religion. Her main motivation was to negate Catholicism as a competing power base to the monarchy. That competition couldn't have been clearer in many situations, with the Catholic church excommunicating Elizabeth and saying that English Catholics had no duty to obey her. That and the rise of mercantilism pushed religious fanatacism gradually to the background as a force in England and led to a modern nation-state. Religion and progress are mutually exclusive in almost every way, so England surged ahead when superstition became less of a force in policy-making and culture.
Jane Seymour and her son were cleary not suited to be in the throne. 😔
Historically, Jane passed away before her coronation. So she was technically never queen.
If Elizabeth had been executed by Mary Tudor, Mary would have ensured the throne did NOT pass to Mary Queen of Scots. Mary [half English, half Spanish] had an alliance with Spain against France. Mary queen of Scots [half Scottish, half French] was married to the Dauphin, eldest son of the King of France ,i.e. the enemy. Mary's prefered choice of succesor would have been her cousin, Margaret Douglas daughter to Margaret Tudor [older sister of Henry VIII] by her second marriage. However she might have accepted her father's judgement on the succesion , in which case it would have passed to Lady Katharine Grey, younger sister of Lady Jane and grand daughter of Mary Tudor [ younger sister of HenryVIII].
Neil Buckley I believe Mary queen of Scots was 1/2 French 1/4 Scottish and 1/4 english
Or something like that
Poor Jane Grey. Just a child used by the men who should have protected her, for their own gain. And abandoned her to die when their scheme failed.
I love Queen Mary!
Yay! Go Queen Elizabeth!
I love The Tudors🥰🤗 & whew chileeee Johnathan Rhys Myers is so fine ❤️ he played Henry VIII very well!!
Yes! JRM was GORGEOUS as Henry the 8th.
And Natalie Dormer played Anne Boleyn very very well...
@teenierx The show isn't completely accurate. Don't take for granted everything you've seen
No she wasn't, she ruled as most monarchs ruled in Europe before her, and what of the thousands her father buried and others he destroyed (most of his country), compared to the 4 hundred she sentence to death who were traitors tried and convicted? Mary actually was concerned about her people first, Henry did what felt good at the time. The new research and facts are there. Michael Hirst is toteing an old line that has been disproved.
@PanBoleyn yes he did. He feared for his life after the death of King Edward. He came up with a plan with Jane Greys father and and father in law to put Jane on the throne.
@teenierx You should read books on the subject, there are several inaccuracies in the show but as a show it is one of the best.
Michael Hirst do speak with lots of praise towards Elizabeth, but romancing everything so far. Mary wasn't a monster, she executed less than 300 people in her reign, her father executed over 70000 people... Her sister prefered killing method was hanging, drawing and quartering... Elizabeth and Henry were far worse compared to Mary... She also didn't want to kill Jane Grey, even pardoned her and husband, but Lord Dudley and Henry Grey (parents of Jane and Guildford) tried another rebellion. That's why the youngsters were executed. Mary was far from a monster...
Good show, but don't take your history lessons from it.
Well said.
@Jamestopboy
Actually, she didn't. Only in her case, each and every one is advertised, while in Henry's case, most of the dead are nameless. Leaving aside his revolting acts apart that did not involve killing.
wrong wrong. Michael Hurst a simple google would have got your history right
@loverofLN I caught that, too. but Thomas Seymour was actually the one who tried to break into King Edward's bedchamber to hold him for ransom and take control away from Hertford, but of course he failed and was executed for treason in 1549. Hertford followed him to the block in 1552, in the wake of John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland's rise to power as Lord Protector. Northumberland married his son Guildford to Lady Jane Grey and masterminded her ultimately failed succession
Say what now? I know it's been said, but... Edward Seymour had nothing to do with Jane Grey! Where does Hirst get his information from?
You would, wouldn't you? Of course, it IS Showtime, and they're not going to be as historically accurate as like...the BBC, or something.
Hertford had nothing to do with Jane Grey coming to the throne. He had been executed by then, along with his brother. It was the Dudleys and Janes own mother and father who engineered Jane coming to the throne, in the hope that she would make her husband, Guildford Dudley King.......she refused. Thats the whole reason their families married them off.
Henry Howard is literally Zote, change my mind.
Young King Edward was given arsenic to keep him a live a bit longer to give the real controllers time to get Lady Jane married off and made queen. Edward was in agony and begged to die but they didn't allow it until Jane was queen.
A very good movie out about Queen Jane Grey tells a lot about her, her life, and what she was put through by the people around her. The movie was called Lady Jane with Helena Bonham Carter as Jane.
I, devout follower of the series, by my own grace, DEMAND a new series about Bloody Mary. :p How can this not ne anything but a another success!
If people were willing to honor Henry's last will, he must have been somewhat liked by the people. So maybe there was some good to him