URSA MINI PRO 12K | REVIEW | 1 month with the Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro 12K
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In this video I talk about my experience using the 12k over the past month, what I like about the camera and also what could be improved in my opinion, what it’s like to edit the files and my general impression of it.
I took a little longer than expected to gather my thoughts and make sure to use the camera as much as possible. As always I want to give you guys my honest opinion.
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Here is my review of the Ursa Mini Pro 12K.
Is it a camera you would get ? And if so, what kind of content would you shoot on it ?
Cheers,
Flo
Where can I find your short film?
Your presentation skills and narrative make you truly a stand out amongst a sea of "cinema" youtubers! You do the work and it's not just a hobby for you! And what I REALLY LOVE about you is there are NO JUMP CUTS xDDD no youtuber who calls themselves a filmmaker should ever have jumpcuts so I applaud you good sir and I highly enjoyed this video!
Thanks so much for the positive feedback, it really means a lot !! So glad you like my work, thank you for taking the time to watch my videos :).
Thank you for this! The pacing and structure of the review is incredibly helpful. 🙏
Really glad you liked it, thank you :) !!
It's a camera that I have been eyeing for a while, so, this was enlightening. Keep it up!
Thanks a lot man, such a great cam !!
Thanks for covering the UMP12K. Congrats on the baby! That's the best news.
Thank you so much !! He's the cutest :)
Awesome review, man. I’m late for this video, but super happy I watched it! Thanks 🙏
Thanks for watching man !!
Such a good review, thank you very much!
Glad you liked it, thank you !!
Love this, thanks for sharing! Very well thought out. Looking at the Amira and but man... those colors.
Thanks mate, glad you liked it! The colours and the general value of this cam are just insane :)
This is an excellent review, thank you!
Really glad you enjoyed it, thank you !!
Great review. I’m thinking about buying this camera and your review definitely gives me the information I NEED IN MAKING MY DECISION.
Thank you!! Glad to know! Happy shooting ☺️🎥
Great review. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!!
Excellent review. Thanks.
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!!
Loved the review! Everything was very precise and to the point, answered some questions I had about the camera. I’m looking into renting or buying one for a documentary!
Thanks so much !! Nice, what kind of documentary ?
@@OfTwoLands a doc about a duo who are training to row the Atlantic in the Talisker Whiskey Challenge next year!
@@zthompii3401 Oh wow that sounds amazing man!
@@OfTwoLands thank you! We’re still in the early stages but I’m looking forward to it! Your videos have really helped me learn a lot about filmmaking so if we end up shooting this doc I’d love to send it your way to hear your thoughts.
Even with TH-cam compression, watching the footage on a smartphone screen looks phenomenon 🔥
Thanks so much man!!
The image quality is superb.
It is pretty incredible !!
Thank you for your review! Those landscapes are simply stunning...
Thank you for watching !! We are very lucky to live in the French Alps :)
great quality content. And i ve been in the industry for 15 years ...
Thank you so much !!
This is AMAZING and convenient!
Where did you purchased this?was it online or at a shop?
Anyways, your content are all great! I hope you can do tutorials about this!
I am planning to buy one one of these days...
With all that in mind, I would love to see you test the ursa broadcast G2, which as alot of the same features that the 12K has, but with a dual native ISO. It only lacks the 12k sensor, it only has a 6K one.
Nice review! Would like to see a video about your NASA casquette :D
Haha not sure there’s much to say!! Thanks for watching :)
Great review Flo. Image looks outstanding. I'm finding over time that I'm more and more content with my P4K. It actually feels like it'll have legs for a long time to come as long as I keep improving as a film maker. For now I've started collecting Zeiss Milvus glass as it's pretty future proof and for now will take my P4K image to the next level. In the new year I'm also going to upgrade my lights - probably my weakest point at present!
Looking at the footage in this review, the 12k is a very interesting proposition compared to other offerings out there. Like the other Blackmagic cameras, it seems to blow anything 3-5x the price away! Like you, I think it'd be overkill for anything I have planned for the next few years but who knows. Nice to know Blackmagic are making these innovative and exciting products!
Thanks a lot !! The BMPCC4K is such an amazing camera! And yes, the 12K makes me very excited for the next generation of Blackmagic cameras :)
just got the milvus 21mm f2.8 its awesome
@@TexasTabla I haven't tried that one but I would be interested to try it. What are you using it on? I now have the 15mm f2.8, 25mm f1.4 (my fav), 50mm f1.4 and 100mm f2. All in de-clicked mode and with Zeiss LensGears. I'll probably get the 85mm f1.4 at some stage too. Just lovee the way they render colour and light. Pretty future proof too - hopefully I'll get 10 years out of them over many camera systems before getting bored °¬)
@@JonasStuart Im actually using the pocket 4k with the metabones .64 xl, and I agree these lenses are great not too many people use them. I use the canon mounts since I have a 5d also.
@TexasTabla I got the Nikon mount as they're cheap to adapt to canon (without contacts though) and have a manual, de-clickable aperture. I do find they they lose some sharpness (and no edge to edge sharpness) with the metabones. Focus fall-off isn't as sweet with the speedbooster either. Have you noticed that too? With the superspeeds plus metabones, the low light is magic on the P4K.
I guess a lot of people don't use them due to price but the same optics in Zeiss cine glass are off the scale expensive!
Just got mine in the mail, excited to try it out. I'll be using CineAlta Mk2 Primes. I'm coming from an A7S2.
Have you used SSDs?
Blackmagic is becoming better and better with the Gen5!
They sure are killing it these days !!
Nice review.
Thanks!!
Great video! Thanks for posting this. With the Angelbird cards, were you able to do 8k 120 without any limit like you experienced with 12k 60?
Thank you for watching !! Yes, I could do 8k 120 with no problems :)
10:49 I knew about the mounting options from renting URSA 4.6 and now that I own 12k I got around this by installing a kondor blue cage. I've also become aware, from experience of using other 4.6k G2 cameras, that on original BM handles the threads tend to pop out either from the handle or from the body itself, and there's a self-tapping solution that can apparently solve that, but that's one of the reasons why I've decided not to go with BM's handle and got a Tiltamax/Kondor nato rail combo for mine, as this will reduce the risk of wearing out threads just from the screwing/unscrewing action.
Great video as always, those landscapes man.
I have a quick semi unrelated question : I saw your 6K pro setup with the Tilta mini Follow Focus. I just got this duo myself and I was wondering how do you manage to use the follow focus on only one rod and deal with it skipping the grooves of the focus ring when you rack it a bit too fast.
I use a rubber band between the lens and the rod to push them together but it doesn't seem ideal.
P.S : Would it be fine for me to comment in French ?
Thanks a lot !!
I haven't had any issues with the FF on one rod. I use the smallrig clamp with the Tilta rod. I don't remember it skipping the gears at all.
Maybe you have a faulty one ?
And yes you can comment in French :)
Hey Flo, I loved the video! Would you ever consider using a matte box with the Ursa Mini Pro? Or do you see it as not as necessary? Also, would you recommend getting the Smallrig Matte Box, or the Smallrig Mini Matte Box? I'm trying to decide for the next part of my rig. Thanks for all you do!
Thanks !! I would for sure if I wanted to use my IRND filters. I have both the Tilta Mini and Smallrig MB, I prefer the Smallrig I would say just because you can use 2 filters. It depends what your type of shooting is. The mini ones are quite practicals. I haven't used the Smallrig mini but it looks pretty cool as well.
@@OfTwoLands That makes sense, I love the images you're able to produce with your Nisi filters. And thanks for your thoughts! I'll take that into consideration as I purchase my MB!
@@OfTwoLands if I can chime in. I too own the same multi camera set up. For the 12K I went with the Tilta MB-12 matte box . It is a clamp on that has a rail adapter. Reason I got this matte box was because the Arri Trays fit inside of it.
Nice video!
Thanks!!
I find shooting in 12K handheld gives me a huge buffer around my 4K delivery. Image Stablilisation in DiVinci Resolve irons out all but the most extreme shakes, rattles and rolls.
Nice background :) x
Thanks :) xx
Sounds like you want an Mavo Edge tbh. How did you find the RS? its the one thing on the 6k that irks me. I thought I'd be getting a C70, but I just can't walk away from BM, the menus, image and screen, codec are incredible always. Hoping for a new cam from them that improves on the 6K pro, better RS, more ND (and please just put in IR) and maybe a new recording card but if Cfast works, no need to change.
Thanks for the review! Beautiful images. (also, the ND 1, 2, 3, 4 thing is a standard from older broadcast cameras i think. I agree tho, 0 should be no ND, not 1.)
Thanks for watching and for the info :) !!
Love the new setup man! This camera is definitely tempting for the price! I'm holding out hope the new generation URSAs have dual native ISO and slightly smaller package then it'd be perfect!
Thanks man !! The camera is already amazing but dual ISO and a smaller body would be ideal for sure :)
Good camera
Pretty solid one for sure!
Hi!
Thanks so much for the review! I just got to you now) I have a question. If I use this camera for shooting feature films (or documentaries) does it have gyrodata? Like the pocket series? So that in Davinci it is possible to stabilize video clips? Or this camera does not write them?
You mentioned you've used the 4.6K before. Is there a significant improvement in image quality and highlight rolloff in the 12K? I'm talking strictly image quality, not frame rates or anything like that.
Somehow just hearing you can export to Final Cut Pro in 8k ProRes made me think Blackmagic camera workflows may not be as limited to Resolve as I’d assumed.
Thanks for the review. Do you think you can get the new broadcast Ursa for review?
Thank you for watching !! I don't think I will because it is not a camera that I would personally use. I always do reviews of products that I actually want to use or some that interest me a lot.
@@OfTwoLands Makes total sense!
Hey, this video has been super helpful! I just got the Ursa 12K but found it gets quite warm even when idle, is this normal? How warm would you say your ursa gets?
Glad it was !! I couldn't tell you exactly but it did get warm so I'd say it is normal. You can always ask the question on the BM forum to be sure :)
Beautiful footage but I'm curious maybe you can make a video on how you are editing the 12K footage what kind of computer how strong is a computer thanks
Thanks !! If you watch the video until the end I actually talk about editing the files and the exact specs of my computer :)
Great review. Some of this footage looked familiar. Really nice. I have 2 Canon C70's. I think if I was gonna get something to compliment them, this is a very reasonable option after the price reduction.
Thank you !! With the combo C70 / Ursa 12K you can pretty much shoot anything :)
i was going to get a c70 or r5c but then decided to get one of the Ursas probably the broadcast for the 6k with EF as it has all i need the pocket cameras dont, and the 12k is too much camera i dont need 8 or 12k its just going to bloat my files and cost me money buying media to record to
@@OfTwoLands yes
Thank you for the review. I guess you would probably like the Kinefinity Mavo Edge 8K then (not for the price though... :) ).
Thanks for watching !! I have looked into the Kinefinity before and also seen some beautiful stuff from those cams :)
Thanks! Can you tell us more about your licensing footage workflow?
I might actually do a video on it since I have been asked quite a lot :)
Can you handle the 12K all by yourself?
How is its low light capability?
Does lack of continuous autofocus bother you?
Have you tried Sony FX6?
Nice job, my man!
Thanks !!
- Yes I can
- Low light not amazing but usable
- No I don't really miss autofocus
No I haven't tried the FX6 but have seen beautiful content from it :)
I love BMD, got 2 Bmpcc6kpro, I sold my Komodo that I didn’t liked. Really look to this 12K, no crop, BMraw, that’s very very interesting. If this cam got ProRes I will take it now
They do make cool cameras for sure !! Thanks for watching :)
What didnt you like about the komodo?
The broadcast cam has pro res but its only 4k pro res but still pro res.
@@TimandLauren reliability, I will post soon a video about that!
Fantastic review, and its surprising to see how mobile it can be for outdoor shoots. Since the 12k is the same price as the 4.6k, is it worth going for the 12? I personally don't have any need for that kind of quality, as 4k is plenty. You briefly mentioned it in your analysis, but the downscaled 4k on the 12k is probably identical with the 4.6k model?
Thanks a lot !! It really depends on what you need it for. The 12K is amazing for re framing, slow motion and of course high resolution. But if you need Prores for example then the 12K shoot only raw. I think the 4K looked great on the 12K as well but a few people said it is softer. Also the 12K will probably keep its value a bit longer.
@@OfTwoLands good to know. Thanks for the follow up :) I think I'm learning towards the 4.6 at this point for the more manageable file sizes. It's crazy how competitive these cameras are now. what was the battery life on the 4.6k model when you had it? And what IR filters do you use? If any
@@aploex the file size of 4k on the 12k would be the same as on the 4k camera.
Get the 12k
Check out the Broadcast 6k. It's cheaper than the 4.6k, and you get more resolution and a few accessories.
@@lucadipaolo1997 Yeah the broadcast is the best buy, its got 6k with EF or PL mount lenses or 4k with b4 mount
Would data rates be different on ProRes? When looking at 4K RAW vs ProRes the data rates aren't that different (infact better to shoot RAW). Is it just less hassle due to not having to transcode for stock sites or when working with external editors who will prefer ProRes?
I think like you said Prores would be similar or slightly heavier. And yes, Prores is widely accepted and usually the preferred codec especially if you don't edit the material yourself or for licensing purposes.
So Flo, is this a camera you are now going to start using for your own stuff or was this a review and it's back to the bmpcc 6k pro? Just wondering.
Hey man, unfortunately this was just to test it out, only had it for the month. I wish I could own it but it's a bit overkill for me. Back to the 6K Pro :)
@@OfTwoLands thanks
Auto focus? Battery life ? File size ?
Thanks
Is there much variety in how long the Core Powerbase can power the camera when shooting at lower resolutions and frame rates than the max?
Not really, I think it might change slightly but it would be very minimal and I didn't notice it.
It's amazing that such a camera costs $ 6000 more or less.
Over the years Blackmagic's Ursa line has always been a bit underestimated, but this 12K is getting the recognition it deserves, hopefully, in 2022 I should be able to rent it and mount it on Cooke S4s, I'm really curious to see this combo in action
I am sure the combo 12k / Cooke S4s will be incredible !!
@@OfTwoLands fingers crossed :-)
What screw on ND did you find yourself using? NiSi 1-5 + more?
Yep, 1-5 for 90% of the time and I use the add on 4 stops too.
Im gonna WAIT ✋ till they come out with the a 16k camera.. Still not enough resolution. I say that even with My own eye sight that doesnt resolve past 4k.
Haha that would be crazy! I can’t even imagine the file size 😅
Hey what tripod did you use for the 12k?
Hi, the Manfrotto MVK502055XPRO3, I have linked my setup in the description :).
I'm wondering if you've done a video about selling your footage for stock? If not, would you?
Not yet, I’ve been asked to a lot though so I probably will :). I’ve talked about it before but haven’t made a dedicated video yet.
@@OfTwoLands Please do!! :) Would be awesome to find another stream of passive income.
Did you find any issues of the UMP12k overheating? If so, what were the conditions?
I haven't experienced any overheating. The camera does get hot of course but nothing unusual. That being said I was filming in winter so cannot comment regarding using it in warm weather :)
it comes with a viewfinder and EF mount? I have never seen it come with those
You can get it in EF and also get the viewfinder separately :)
For my project, which is almost entirely indoors, I think this is overkill. What do you recommend for an indoor shoot?
I don't shoot indoor as much but if you're looking at the 12K then I would say the Ursa G2 is pretty solid! And of course the BMPCC6K works very well too, but the UMP is more studio oriented :)
Personally I would have preferred this to be a full frame and 8K. 12K and a super 35 is not light sensitive for me.
FF 8K would be pretty sweet indeed !!
It's not an OTS sensor like the Pocket 4K, Pocket 6K or URSA Broadcaster 2G. And it's not confirmed to be Fairchild like OG pocket, Cinema, Micro (non 4K) or 4.6K URSA. And technology wise it's really really interesting, it's a lot of data. And they can do the downscaling in camera or in post to give you the same result.
the broadcast is the best value being able to do 6k and its better than the pocket 6k.
where can we watch all of your work shot on the URSA 12k?
I have posted one video already, there will be more to come and for the moment most of the content is for licensing :). Only had it for one month.
nice
Thanks!!
I have a 2-stop NISI IRND, it is enough in terms of IR dealing pollution when you combine it with the inbuilt NDs
If I was to use IRND filters I wouldn't use the internal ones, just the external. It might help though but I have never used them that way.
Yeah but can I put it on a gimble and vlog with it?? ;)
Haha probably not! I mean how strong are you ? 😂
What strap you use? :)
Peak Design, linked in the description :)
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Le parc c´etait pas le parc de Vizille pas loin de Grenoble?Mon beau pere habitte St Ismier.
Les images sont top,bravo, je suis musicien pro dans le classique en Suisse et aussi inge son dans le classique.
Depuis puis je me suis mis a faire de la video d enos concerts avec des Gh5,5s,4 et bmpcc4k en multicam.
Je cherche encore une camera pour avoir plus de resolution pour la totale de la scene qui est assez large je penche sur la BMPCC6k normale qui semble plus stable que la pro niveau du controle de qualite mais vu que je suis tout mft a cause des couts des objectifs FF, peut etre la GH6 si elle a dual iso ou jéspere a une hypothetique nouvelle BMPCC avec MFT mount,...mais j ái peur que le MFT n ás pas trop de futur avec EF cela va etre aussi apres l ´abandon de Canon problematique aussi mais je pense dans un futur plus lointains...
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Filip
Hey,
Oui haha c'est bien Vizille :) Merci !!
C'est vrai qu'en ce moment on est en transition niveau cameras et objectics. Apres je sais que je suis super content des deux 6K et aussi de la 4K.
Les 3 devront etre au top pour ce dont tu as besoin! Personnelement je ne connais pas vraiment les GH mais d'apres ce que j'ai pu lire le GH6 semble est plutot cool!
Et oui Filmconvert c'est vraiment pas mal et utile!
Cheers,
Flo
EDGE POWERBASE Is it good for this camera? And how long does the battery hold?
If you watch the video I actually answer this :). 45mins.
@@OfTwoLands Spasibo )
I really hope Blackmagic will put a proper autofocus system in their cameras.
They could gain so much market share.
That would be amazing indeed !!
not going to happen they dont need it
Merci d'avoir partagé vos pensés. À mon avis, 12k était le "spec" pour vendre. Malheureusement, je pense que BlackMagic a échoué.
Merci d'avoir regardé! Je crois qu'elle se vend plutôt bien :)
@@OfTwoLands C'est possible.
Why not just edit in DaVinci?
I’m just quicker in FCPX and so used to it. Been editing on it for years. Davinci is incredible though!!
@@OfTwoLands I guarantee if you learn Davinci you won’t go back. It’s intimidating to start but it’s really not hard once you learn.
SDI is pro level so is raw.
Many Pros cameras have HDMI and some entry level ones have RAW :).
@@OfTwoLands Working on a set it's all SDI. I've run thousands of sdi cables. We only use HDMI for CPU monitors never for camera.
Great video though. Really enjoyed it.
I would of already bought this if it had ProRes.
Yeah Prores would be awesome!
Can BRAW be transcoded to ProRes in Davinci Resolve or Premiere? Or perhaps a standalone app?
hi bro
13:46 4 Seconds of footage? what?
No Prores? I did not know this. Weird.
Yeah it is a bit surprising. Not a deal breaker but would love some prores options.
@@OfTwoLands I pretty much only shoot in BRAW, but it’s just a nice option to have. I always edit my own stuff, but in the event that I’m working for somebody who is using a different editor who doesn’t use Resolve (for whatever reason), prores would be good to have.
Does the G2 have Prores? I’ve only used the pocket cams. Thanks for the video man!
"It's pretty big. It's a pretty heavy bulky package"
That's what she said.
😂😂
so a 256 card only does 4 secs at 12k60? did I hear that right? Amazing video btw
For me only With the 12k camera for me it like the moment is being capture because with good quality sound produce and images produce from a best screen image produce and true beautiful images get too I start love cameras good quality images like all images in 5pm and 6pm very good with 12k cameras and 6k plus does these editing it a love very beautiful it only need these 12k cameras and 6k cameras it seem very best moment in these time and sun Ray is becoming low every picture becoming another very beautiful plus the windows 🪟glass is tainted black in these and very beautiful pictures get in morning too but true get good images in 🌇🌅🌄 for the very sunny weather the very beautiful sea captured and all beautiful flowers and lot things because the cameras it so adorable work I have watched a video about it truly I understand it for me I love it I really love it I love images beautiful I love because these cameras really get all my love even will come to editing videos and photos I love it for black magic only for me only yes for me I love these images produce sunset and 5pm to 6pm and morning pictures and in very sunny weather beautiful sea record plus the editing pictures me I am learning I love to get new good software for editing like give the images look like paradise.
I was surprised that this camera doesn’t shoot ProRes. I think if you are a narrative film maker this would be a major hurdle.
really have no interest in 12k its just stupid now, 6k is easily more than enough
4k is more than enough for everything any res higher than that is not going to benefit you except in cropping literally no other benefit and it increases costs for recording media
Not word about dynamic range ;)
Wich is a lot worse than the 4.6 k Ursa mini.
Looked pretty good to me :).
I mentioned it has 14 stops but preferred to focus on the actual image and usability.
People tend to over think DR. It has 1 less true stop over the 4.6. Also the range is more optimized for Braw as they are in the sweet spot. Skin tones
@@OfTwoLands thanks for the precision. I need to try the camera by myself, I just don’t get it why nobody care about it and use it. For the price and the spec it’s unbelievable. Why blackmagic cut the price so fast is also curious. May I ask if you buy it or if Bm send it to you like Matteo bertoli ?
Thanks.
@@donnieyen4 maybe there is your answer for the price cut; maybe BM went for high end flmmakers but they didnt adapt it (the 12K), so they cut the price in half and are going for YT-DPs hoping for higher selling numbers. Also, how do you know that Bertoli guy got it sent for free (probably for exchange of good words on the YT) by BM? I have noticed that this Bertoli kinda hated the G2 and much preferred the 6K over it, if I remember correctly even made a comparison test claiming how inferior the G2 is, but lately just loooves the 12K that has less DR, but same RS as the G2 (12K being at 8K). This is a strange behaviour for a serious DP, I must say, but it can be explained by a "freebie". On the other hand, I really hope there is an 8K full frame URSA with GS on the way, sth a bit more compact like Florent described as hoping for in the end. YT rumors, LOL! (I own the G2 and 6KPro ;)
Pretty sure iv seen people talk about the stops being better utilised in the 12k. While lower it's actually a cleaner image. Also to get most out of it, a good set of glass and filtration.
Just why?