EDIT - The 12K has had a huge price cut, it is now £4469 (Ex VAT)!! Let us know your thoughts on the 12K below and I believe TH-cam is still processing the video to 8K!! Hopefully, it will be done soon.
Hey ! Great. Would love at least to know if you think it's a reliable camera. Do you think professionally, it can handles documentary shooting in a cold humid forest with a little rain ? Was considering going for a Mavo Edge. But maybe this could be the go to camera. I'll keep my X-T3 for Bcam and consider in buying a second for Ccam (shooting timelapse or just small close animals possibility !)
Others have said it, but I'll say it too. This is hands down the best, most well thought out, and comprehensive review of this camera and it's features that I've seen. You guys did a great job with this, and that level of quality keeps me coming back to the channel.
This was well worth the wait. I'm 2 minutes in and already saw the best UMP 12K footage on the internet. Got a snack and ready to get into this! Thanks for your work.
One year on this camera... it's a monster... looks are similar to Vraptor and Arri mini LF... but with better interface and insane high speed capability 🤣👌
Thanks for the thorough review. The footage is definitely impressive. Thanks for taking a look at post-production as well. Keep up the excellent reviews. I've been subscribed to your channel for a while, but now I'm turning on notifications so I don't miss any videos from CVP.
Thanks so much for the info guys. Great, thorough and honest review as always. This is why we watch and why we buy from you. Thanks also for pointing out the notorious 'out of gpu memory's bug in Resolve. This issue is intensely problematic as an editor and colourist. BM have been aware of it for several years and have never fixed it. It occurs when editing 6k or even 4k footage from a variety of cameras, and completely prevents use of noise reduction features on many systems. Even with 6gb of GPU memory. Hopefully this review will be taken as feedback by BM.
I'm really glad you mentioned this. Your comment taught me a lot about GPUs and editing. I've just got into the world of proxies and managing GPU use across my system's apps while editing, but it's great to know what lies beyond so I can plan ahead.
Shot a commercial yesterday on this camera. Felt confident with the functioning of the camera because of your valuable insights. Thnk u for the Video. I shot on 8K 5:1 bitrate @25 fps However while shooting on 60fps and above my ssd card was crashing. I had to bring down the bitrate/quality or resolution for smooth recording.
Watching this going, that lens is cool, I should probably pick that up...then I google and it's $43,000!!!! Son of a.... I guess I'll stick with my X series lenses, lol.
Wow this review was so well put together and thanks for taking the time to do the excel Jake. I think BM have got their work cut out by entering the £10k pricepoint - other manufacteres have been in this space for longer and have a better understanding of the £10k customer. C300 MK III/FX6 for me offer a much better package for a pro user - also one thing not really mentioned is the warranty - a 1 year warranty for this type of camera is no good - makes it a risky proposition. Also the moire issue looks worse than on the 4.6k models. Also the highlight rolloff doesn't look great from footage I've seen even with Gen 5 applied and using AcesCCT. I'm still going to get one though because I'm a BM user and completely mad.
Remarkable efforts to make complete and detailed review, kudos to the team specially to jake.i hope jake will update his PC with 3rd zen Ryzen near soon. I enjoyed the complete video.
Great review! So much effort put into it. Remember marveling over a DVD image for the first time? This camera produces 230 (Two hundred and thirty) times as many pixels.
Hi, I rewatching this review during my workout (haaaa the lockdown life) and I'd like to had something : ONE CCD sensor did have full RGB readout without a prism. The Sony CCD S35 Sensor featured in the F35 and Panavision Genesis did actually use an RGB Triad kinda similar to what Blackmagic is doing here but at a smaller resolution (5K-ish by 3K-ish to owersample to 1080p full RGB image) and without the clear photosites.
Running out of VRAM with Davinci Resolve won't happen with an AMD GPU, it has something to do with CUDA/NVidia/Resolve memory handling. This article can tell you more www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/AMD-XFX-Radeon-RX-5600-XT-Grafikkarte---Durchschnittliche-Mittelklasse.html It's and German, just use google translate or something similar.
People don't seem to understand how high resolution human eyes are. We still have yet to create a camera nearly as high resolution as a human eye. That's why we must continue to advance digital resolutions.
I will ask if it has a fan but I would be surprised if it didn't. In regards to noise, when we ran our tests inside and outside. I don't remember it getting loud. The body is decently large with a good amount of venting along the top and bottom which will help with cooling massively. Jake
Wow so cool, I liked that too, unfortunately not many can afford such a great 🎥 I belong to it, but I am happy for everyone who moves creativity in life🙏
the footage looks fantastic actually but I know that a lot of professionals will not use it simply because it physically looks like a cheap blackmagic camera which is a shame
@@personal4528you have the most foolish comment about this camera. This 12k sensor has some of the best technology that modern cameras has to offer. FYI: this camera has been used in several motion pictures. Do your research before you start yapping!!
I went from Ursa Pro to Ursa G2 to Pocket 6K's. I guess it's time to spend £9K. This camera looks absolutely crazy . In capable hands could make miracles (not mine obviously). I like the fact that shooting only raw. Aimed specifically
Hello ! Thank you very much for your reviews they are just perfect ! Is till have a question though : on the black magic website its advertised UMP 12k has autofocus with compatible lenses. Do you have any idea if its good or not ? Is it focus tracking or only auto focus ? THX in advance !
That was brain full. I can already tell that despite the res benefits, I’ll probably be looking for something smaller with 8k60 and 4k240 12bit. So far 8k has been a fine resolution and I often use 4k HQ downsampled from 8k anyhow. That level of noise when under exposed along with the need for very pricey optics is also daunting, considering optimal lighting can be rare. Resolution is a bit overrated when compared with chroma depth, color science, dynamic range and shutter science. Plus the crops to 4k from 12k didn’t look super enticing to me. Black magic, although breaking barriers, has really upset a lot of videographers with their buggy software/gear, fixed pattern noise and poor support. I might be more likely to pickup a Nikon z9 over the BM12k but as a canon shooter I’ll be interested to see what the R1 or perhaps c70mk2 brings.
Have you guys tested out the newer OLPF version of the URSA 12K released 2023? I heard that it has less noise than the previous version. Thanks very much!
Hello! I have a question about a camera monitor. I have the URSA MINI Pro 12K and I wanted to use the Blackmagic Video Assist 12G as a camera monitor. But when I recorded BRAW I didn´t have a signal on the screen of the Video Assist 12G. Is it possible to record the BRAW video and watch the live video at the same time on the screen? I´m not sure if the SDI output on the URSA Mini Pro supports the BRAW....
I love how in-depth this video is but I haven't found a resolution yet for my current issue without spending more money. I'm running the 12K with the Samsung PM983 7.68TB (as recommended by this video) on the SSD Reader and have used it up to 12K 8:1 50fps without a problem. Now, the SSD reader blinks yellow & the BM distributor inspected it & says it's my SSD, not the reader or camera. In the URSA manual it says Samsung 983 SSD's are approved but it only mentions the 1.92TB & 960GB versions. The URSA manual specifically mentiones PM983 drives at that resolution, compression, frame rate, hence the reason I bought it. Soon I will have a shoot but no resolution as to how I am going to record to media without buying another drive. Any advice?
Amazing review, subscribed! I need help choosing between Ursa 12k, Red Komodo or waiting for new models... I love the image of the Komodo, but its specifications (framerate and cropfactor) hold me back. The Ursa is magnificent in this, but for more footage I see I can't see its image at the level of the Komodo. In addition to the form factor, and the weight of the camera... Help me please... Thanks!
3:04 - I'm sorry, but the 4k image this crop becomes is pretty bad - the resolved detail is comparable to 720p or maybe 1080p on an old camera :/ Megapixels do not make detail!
I can't believe that cfast 2.0 is still so incredibly expensive, when m.2 ssds in a usb enclosure are way cheaper and sometimes even way faster, I don't see the reason cfast cards can't lower in price
Thank you so much CVP for all this information, and especially the bitrate excel breakdown! I was confused at what type of media will suit this camera and this really helps!
Hi Guys, great review, am I missing something but I cannot seem to see the link to the database you created with all the possible data rates for each resolution? Thx.
I would love to see a comparison video between this and a whole bunch of other high-end cinema cameras, such as the RED V-Raptor, RED Komodo, and the ARRI ALEXA 35.
29:32 - Oh Boy, at only 3 stops under the noise grain (each point of detail) is so big it may as well be 1080p or even less... image kind of looks like heavily graded 8-bit 5D Mark 2 footage from 2009
que sentido tiene una camara que graba en 12 k cuando los medios de visualizacion que existen no llegan a 8 k todavia!!!, acaso no seria mucho mejor invertir en una camara que grabe 8k con posibilidad de hacer reeles ilimitados de tiempo con grabacion de sunido en codigo sincronizado en varios canales distintos y en el mismo archivo y hacerlo en 240 480 0 aun mas cantidad de frames por segundo???......
It looks great, but even tv stations are asking for 1080 deliverables still. When they update, i'll probably go to an 8k camera, but right now it feels like it's for something of a niche market.
This camera it's so ahead of its time that people are afraid to buy it. Olso mad respect to the guys who made this video more like a movie, so much hard work & hours of editing.
there is test footage that help the watcher download it...much appreciated..it would be awesome if there is a test footage for camera review in your next videos...top notch
There is a whole section in the video talking about working with Resolve at 33:51, you can see our export settings there and it goes over some of the difficulties of exporting this footage! Jake
EDIT - The 12K has had a huge price cut, it is now £4469 (Ex VAT)!!
Let us know your thoughts on the 12K below and I believe TH-cam is still processing the video to 8K!! Hopefully, it will be done soon.
I am currently shooting with 3 12Ks and would love to hear about the bugs....
Any improvements with the update released today?:)
@@MicahBisagni which bugs ?
Hey ! Great. Would love at least to know if you think it's a reliable camera.
Do you think professionally, it can handles documentary shooting in a cold humid forest with a little rain ?
Was considering going for a Mavo Edge. But maybe this could be the go to camera. I'll keep my X-T3 for Bcam and consider in buying a second for Ccam (shooting timelapse or just small close animals possibility !)
@@CptCurk th-cam.com/video/siq2tfEfZqg/w-d-xo.html
Wow, this might be the most thorough review I've ever seen of a camera.
This might be the most thorough review I've ever seen for anything.
Very excellent review indeed.
Others have said it, but I'll say it too. This is hands down the best, most well thought out, and comprehensive review of this camera and it's features that I've seen. You guys did a great job with this, and that level of quality keeps me coming back to the channel.
Man, you've lost probably 25 kilos? If this is deliberate change of lifestyle - congrats on the achievement! If it's an illness - get well soon.
Appreciate the kind words! It was a change of lifestyle, lockdown wasn't kind to my waistline so decided to fix it! Thanks for watching, Jake
This is one of the least-loaded ways I have ever seen someone compliment/express concern about weight loss. It's actually pretty impressive.
I am here because of the new price drop.
This is the best, most detailed reviews of the 12k I have ever seen. Thanks for putting so much effort into your reviews.
Dynamic range 🤦🏻♂️
I was surprised that the difference between 4K and 8K was so noticable. Sadly it's a slideshow on my computer
This was well worth the wait. I'm 2 minutes in and already saw the best UMP 12K footage on the internet. Got a snack and ready to get into this! Thanks for your work.
Glad to hear it! Enjoy and thank you for watching! Jake
HOW TF DO U ONLY HAVVE 54.5K SUB??? SHOULDNT THIS NUMBER BE FREAKING 5M
One year on this camera... it's a monster... looks are similar to Vraptor and Arri mini LF... but with better interface and insane high speed capability 🤣👌
Thanks for the thorough review. The footage is definitely impressive. Thanks for taking a look at post-production as well. Keep up the excellent reviews. I've been subscribed to your channel for a while, but now I'm turning on notifications so I don't miss any videos from CVP.
This is the cleanest footage I've ever seen on TH-cam. Truly amazing. Looking through the fire at 120 is killer. This is not nuance differences.
Most convincing images I’ve seen from this camera. Amazing. Great review.
**me watching in 480p** mmm yes thats extremely detailed
This is the best review I've EVER seen, not only on this topic but in general. Absolutely overkill, my god...
Thanks so much for the info guys. Great, thorough and honest review as always. This is why we watch and why we buy from you.
Thanks also for pointing out the notorious 'out of gpu memory's bug in Resolve. This issue is intensely problematic as an editor and colourist. BM have been aware of it for several years and have never fixed it. It occurs when editing 6k or even 4k footage from a variety of cameras, and completely prevents use of noise reduction features on many systems. Even with 6gb of GPU memory. Hopefully this review will be taken as feedback by BM.
I'm really glad you mentioned this. Your comment taught me a lot about GPUs and editing. I've just got into the world of proxies and managing GPU use across my system's apps while editing, but it's great to know what lies beyond so I can plan ahead.
Fantastic review! Thanks so much for the time and effort you put into it!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching! Jake
Shot a commercial yesterday on this camera. Felt confident with the functioning of the camera because of your valuable insights. Thnk u for the Video.
I shot on 8K 5:1 bitrate @25 fps
However while shooting on 60fps and above my ssd card was crashing. I had to bring down the bitrate/quality or resolution for smooth recording.
THIS is the most thorough review I have seen of a camera.
Watching this going, that lens is cool, I should probably pick that up...then I google and it's $43,000!!!! Son of a.... I guess I'll stick with my X series lenses, lol.
Great review tx
This camera is so amazing, can't believe it's relatively 'cheap' for what it can do
Like drinking from a fire hydrant. Amazing job guys
Wow this review was so well put together and thanks for taking the time to do the excel Jake. I think BM have got their work cut out by entering the £10k pricepoint - other manufacteres have been in this space for longer and have a better understanding of the £10k customer. C300 MK III/FX6 for me offer a much better package for a pro user - also one thing not really mentioned is the warranty - a 1 year warranty for this type of camera is no good - makes it a risky proposition. Also the moire issue looks worse than on the 4.6k models. Also the highlight rolloff doesn't look great from footage I've seen even with Gen 5 applied and using AcesCCT. I'm still going to get one though because I'm a BM user and completely mad.
Remarkable efforts to make complete and detailed review, kudos to the team specially to jake.i hope jake will update his PC with 3rd zen Ryzen near soon. I enjoyed the complete video.
Great review! So much effort put into it. Remember marveling over a DVD image for the first time? This camera produces 230 (Two hundred and thirty) times as many pixels.
Hi,
I rewatching this review during my workout (haaaa the lockdown life) and I'd like to had something : ONE CCD sensor did have full RGB readout without a prism. The Sony CCD S35 Sensor featured in the F35 and Panavision Genesis did actually use an RGB Triad kinda similar to what Blackmagic is doing here but at a smaller resolution (5K-ish by 3K-ish to owersample to 1080p full RGB image) and without the clear photosites.
Running out of VRAM with Davinci Resolve won't happen with an AMD GPU, it has something to do with CUDA/NVidia/Resolve memory handling.
This article can tell you more www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/AMD-XFX-Radeon-RX-5600-XT-Grafikkarte---Durchschnittliche-Mittelklasse.html
It's and German, just use google translate or something similar.
This is the comment I didn't ask for, but needed. Thank you kind friend
I've watched this video, no joke, probably 30 times.
Wow that’s insane for such a long video. Thanks for watching! Jake
People don't seem to understand how high resolution human eyes are. We still have yet to create a camera nearly as high resolution as a human eye. That's why we must continue to advance digital resolutions.
CFA = color filter array, not custom...
Yeah, I'm not sure why I have said Custom here, think I meant to say custom colour filter array, I must have had a bit of a brainfart!
Hello
i want to ask you abut Blackmagic URSA Mini Recorder
how to install the NVME SSD can you help me please
Does this have a fan, and if so, how loud is it? Tx.
I will ask if it has a fan but I would be surprised if it didn't. In regards to noise, when we ran our tests inside and outside. I don't remember it getting loud. The body is decently large with a good amount of venting along the top and bottom which will help with cooling massively. Jake
Sperb review!
Whether Zeiss CP.3 lenses are compatible with Ursa mini pro 12k ?
CP3 will mount fine yes! Jake
Was the "talking head" part of this video shot on the 12K?
Hey Jerry, yes it was, lens used with the camera was a 40mm ARRI Master Prime. Jake
Amazing! I just did a test at 4k 24ofps and the Ursa 12k is doing amazing
Wow so cool, I liked that too, unfortunately not many can afford such a great 🎥 I belong to it, but I am happy for everyone who moves creativity in life🙏
What about SDI output to workstations with 3000MB/s+ SSDs using OBS to encode uncompressed?
Was waiting for this review!!! I got a Red Komodo and also thinking about this 12k camera.
This is by far the best review I've ever seen and I've seen a few. I will use it as a reference when I get mine delivered. Thanks Team
the footage looks fantastic actually but I know that a lot of professionals will not use it simply because it physically looks like a cheap blackmagic camera which is a shame
It is essentially an array of smartphone camera sensors - an interesting proof of concept, but pros will likely steer clear.
@@personal4528 Hmm I havent heard that about this camera. interesting
@@personal4528 this sounds like a comment someone who thinks they know everything would make
@@personal4528you have the most foolish comment about this camera. This 12k sensor has some of the best technology that modern cameras has to offer. FYI: this camera has been used in several motion pictures. Do your research before you start yapping!!
Has Blackmagic fixed the GPU memory full issue on Windows yet?
I went from Ursa Pro to Ursa G2 to Pocket 6K's. I guess it's time to spend £9K. This camera looks absolutely crazy . In capable hands could make miracles (not mine obviously). I like the fact that shooting only raw.
Aimed specifically
Is a frame exported as .tiff still a raw image technically?
I don't like the way the blacks look here. Is this a grading issue?
I can’t imagine the file sizes in 12k 😮
Too bad this camera uses the effectively obsolete Cfast cards.
Awesome video, will watch tonight!
Hello !
Thank you very much for your reviews they are just perfect !
Is till have a question though : on the black magic website its advertised UMP 12k has autofocus with compatible lenses. Do you have any idea if its good or not ?
Is it focus tracking or only auto focus ?
THX in advance !
Thanks for watching! It's pretty basic. Really not worth using imo. Jake
@@CVPTV ok thanks for your answer !
U know maybe where i can find some test of it ?
The other motor was not plugged in guys hah
One of the batteries in the hand grips died at some point so removed the motor so we could operate the zoom manually. Nice spot though ;) Jake
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That was brain full. I can already tell that despite the res benefits, I’ll probably be looking for something smaller with 8k60 and 4k240 12bit. So far 8k has been a fine resolution and I often use 4k HQ downsampled from 8k anyhow. That level of noise when under exposed along with the need for very pricey optics is also daunting, considering optimal lighting can be rare.
Resolution is a bit overrated when compared with chroma depth, color science, dynamic range and shutter science. Plus the crops to 4k from 12k didn’t look super enticing to me.
Black magic, although breaking barriers, has really upset a lot of videographers with their buggy software/gear, fixed pattern noise and poor support. I might be more likely to pickup a Nikon z9 over the BM12k but as a canon shooter I’ll be interested to see what the R1 or perhaps c70mk2 brings.
Have you tried using the SSD Recorder with the 4.6k G2? It looks better than the one blocking the 2 SDI ports at the back.
$40,000 + lenses. Sheesh.
Have you guys tested out the newer OLPF version of the URSA 12K released 2023? I heard that it has less noise than the previous version. Thanks very much!
Hello! I have a question about a camera monitor. I have the URSA MINI Pro 12K and I wanted to use the Blackmagic Video Assist 12G as a camera monitor. But when I recorded BRAW I didn´t have a signal on the screen of the Video Assist 12G. Is it possible to record the BRAW video and watch the live video at the same time on the screen? I´m not sure if the SDI output on the URSA Mini Pro supports the BRAW....
@CVP Hi! Any solution for the Bottleneck on the storage by the USBC cable? Could a thunderbolt cable work? Thank you!
I love how in-depth this video is but I haven't found a resolution yet for my current issue without spending more money. I'm running the 12K with the Samsung PM983 7.68TB (as recommended by this video) on the SSD Reader and have used it up to 12K 8:1 50fps without a problem. Now, the SSD reader blinks yellow & the BM distributor inspected it & says it's my SSD, not the reader or camera. In the URSA manual it says Samsung 983 SSD's are approved but it only mentions the 1.92TB & 960GB versions. The URSA manual specifically mentiones PM983 drives at that resolution, compression, frame rate, hence the reason I bought it. Soon I will have a shoot but no resolution as to how I am going to record to media without buying another drive. Any advice?
very use ful information thanks a lot god bless you take care.
Amazing review, subscribed!
I need help choosing between Ursa 12k, Red Komodo or waiting for new models...
I love the image of the Komodo, but its specifications (framerate and cropfactor) hold me back. The Ursa is magnificent in this, but for more footage I see I can't see its image at the level of the Komodo. In addition to the form factor, and the weight of the camera...
Help me please...
Thanks!
This is the Best review I have ever seen
AMD 6900XT is almost same performance (on 12k resolution) as 3090 and half price of it.
Image looks great but I have the slight feel TH-cam doesn't do it any justice.
I recognise the location for the Canal filming clips as > The Basingstoke Canal in Hampshire. A lovely piece of filming..... :-) !
3:04 - I'm sorry, but the 4k image this crop becomes is pretty bad - the resolved detail is comparable to 720p or maybe 1080p on an old camera :/ Megapixels do not make detail!
Incredible detail and clarity!
how to setting for 8k HDR in Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K camera? i am a new one
How would you say the sharpness is compared to any of Red's 8K sensors, given that technically this camera has double the pixels?
I can't believe that cfast 2.0 is still so incredibly expensive, when m.2 ssds in a usb enclosure are way cheaper and sometimes even way faster, I don't see the reason cfast cards can't lower in price
Thank you so much CVP for all this information, and especially the bitrate excel breakdown! I was confused at what type of media will suit this camera and this really helps!
really appreciate the thorough, unbiased/brand loyal review.
Thanks for watching! Jake
Hi Guys, great review, am I missing something but I cannot seem to see the link to the database you created with all the possible data rates for each resolution? Thx.
I would love to see a comparison video between this and a whole bunch of other high-end cinema cameras, such as the RED V-Raptor, RED Komodo, and the ARRI ALEXA 35.
0:18 When you are holding a big black 12-inch ... I mean 12k camera in public.
29:32 - Oh Boy, at only 3 stops under the noise grain (each point of detail) is so big it may as well be 1080p or even less... image kind of looks like heavily graded 8-bit 5D Mark 2 footage from 2009
37:00 so basically, if you have windows you can’t idealize the 8k and 12k?? Or am I wrong?
Can it be shipped to Nigeria 🇳🇬 I'm from Nigeria I do like to get this for my work @CVP
Great job, perfect video brother, you really help me out to decide to get one. Thanks
Correction...The g2 does up to 120fps in 4.6k and 150fps is 4k (slight crop). Cropped 2k/HD up to 300fps.
que sentido tiene una camara que graba en 12 k cuando los medios de visualizacion que existen no llegan a 8 k todavia!!!, acaso no seria mucho mejor invertir en una camara que grabe 8k con posibilidad de hacer reeles ilimitados de tiempo con grabacion de sunido en codigo sincronizado en varios canales distintos y en el mismo archivo y hacerlo en 240 480 0 aun mas cantidad de frames por segundo???......
Do you possibly know the shim count for both dzo Pictor zooms on the ursa 12k pl Mount
It looks great, but even tv stations are asking for 1080 deliverables still. When they update, i'll probably go to an 8k camera, but right now it feels like it's for something of a niche market.
Today the OLPF for this camera alrady exists.
Netflix still hasn't approved this so, it must have a serious problem.
Useful.
Me watching this in 720p: hm nice picture quality 😂
My 2013 MAc Air plays 8K video - wow - it actually makes a huge difference- brilliant review - thanks
Do you think 12K 60 5:1 will be possible to record in the future when faster media is available?
My computer didn't agree on the 8k upload lol
Mate well done! This would have taken lots of work
Thank you, it was! Jake
@@CVPTV Bravo!!!
This camera it's so ahead of its time that people are afraid to buy it. Olso mad respect to the guys who made this video more like a movie, so much hard work & hours of editing.
AMAZING quality review! Subscribed. :)
Unfortunately my internet is not strong enough to play 8K.
there is test footage that help the watcher download it...much appreciated..it would be awesome if there is a test footage for camera review in your next videos...top notch
Video is so crispy and clean! Any advice as to how to optimize export on this camera for similar results?
There is a whole section in the video talking about working with Resolve at 33:51, you can see our export settings there and it goes over some of the difficulties of exporting this footage! Jake
it is my dream camera i have to work at least for two years until i buy camera like this
Great video what I’m wondering is if there will be a update to Ursa mini pro g2 and pockets 6k anytime soon or if it’s worth just getting them
nice
Just watched your other komodo review, I have to say the RED images are a bit more pleasing.