@@notbfg9000graphic designers don't use pencils to draw but are more on the web development side of it. Lmg doesn't really needs a hands on artists which is why they don't have 1
The only LMG channel I watch at this point, and like others, I don't own apple products. Those this channel does make me apple curious - the air is sooo cool
It breaths the apple vibe. It speaks to there people. Helps when siloed inside bigger channel so doesn’t need to pander to get big audiences to make money
Basically, the reason why professionals do not use the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil Pro for their work is not because of the pencil. It's because of the iPadOS and its apps. Most professionals don't use Procreate for their work and iPad's Photoshop isn't the same as the desktop one. As long as Apple keeps gatekeeping Mac apps from iPad, Apple Pencil and Procreate will remain as tools used only by hobby artists, not professionals in film and media.
Exactly, iPad OS is holding the iPad back. And now that both the iPad and Mac books run off M series chips, it's a no trainer but trust Apple to keep being Apple
Tho I do feel like there’s still a market for the iPad Pro. Specifically I know of a lot of tattoo artists use it. I think it really depends on how “professional” you are. Elizabeth is obviously a very professional artist working where precision is absolutely necessary, where some may just need the iPad for more simple mock ups or projects thatre more artistic and less “I’m doing work”
@@brontiago It's Apple fault. How could Adobe port the full version of their products to iPad pro if the OS doesn't support it? Why does Apple brand the iPad Pro as a computer replacement while still restricting macOS from being its OS? Stop trying to please Apple. Apple doesn't even want to port the full version of FCPX to the iPad.
@@zulfika_ Adobe CAN port Photoshop to iPad, they simply don’t want to. People have been asking them to do it for a while. IPadOS can definitely support it. Also, Apple doesn’t market the iPad as a desktop replacement. They market it for content consumption and artists/creators
I think Apple needs to start to understand that "Pro" does not mean more gimmicks in places nobody is looking for it, but rather reduce the gimmicks to maximum. Just the features that are really required - like 2-3 actually buttons that can be remapped when needed. A thing that rarely gets mentioned is, that the Wacom pens do not need to be charged like the Apple ones. My Apple ones seem to die always when I need them the most.
Apple knows what they are doing. The Pro branding, is mostly, just branding, in other words, marketing. And of course, the features associated with the Pro branding are things that wow the consumers who have enough money to waste but are not necessarily real professionals.
@@haomingli6175I mean, the Apple Pencil “Pro” is the same price as previous main Apple Pencils, the only price increase is it only supporting the newest iPads
No no. For Apple. "Pro" aboslutely means more gimmicks because their actual market is NOT Professionals. It's people who have too much money and THINK they're professionals.
tbf since the apple pencil 2nd gen in 2018, you don't ever have to worry about keeping it charged since it's designed to stay on the ipad itself all the time
I think that they're getting there. The new MacBook Pros are a great example. No more touchbar, brought back the ports, and prioritized function over form. Now simultaneously, hover and barrel roll are both features that could be described as "gimmicks" and I just watched a video where a real professional cited them as the primary features they find alluring.
I’m an architect and industrial designer. My 2018 iPad Pro carried me through my masters degree and I still use it regularly to do sketches for clients. I must have made thousands of drawings over the years. Nothing is as portable, nice to draw on, while being an incredible screen for in person presentations.
Although it is not as common in industry, in professional schools I'd say 90% of students are relying on their iPads for at least one part of their workflows. When they eventually go into the industry iPads will absolutely become the mainstream
@@kaifengwu6565I got my start with iPads and have owned an iPad at every tier at this point. So iPad, iPad Air, and now recently iPad Pro 13 As I matured, the software has matured too. The problem is that iPads are going into a field that’s matured around drawing tablets, there’s some stuff now I can’t do on iPads (maybe I can with my Pro, I’m waiting on my pencil), but they’re also in development by way smaller companies. The thing I love about iPads and why I don’t want macOS to come over is that right now, there’s about to be a ton of competition for Adobe. They don’t have a grip over iPad like they do on other platforms, so now there’s all of these smaller companies that don’t charge a ton able to build up their apps and get a ton of support while doing it. That also helps android tablets become better for professional use since it’s the same there, iPads are just leading the charge.
same am an architect and its the best u can use for interiors, presenting and sketching on site ...the only down side to this is that it is very expensive and never enough space (also very good paired with procreate
I really like this concept of having an actual pro look at the iPads "Pro" features! Also, the Paperlike really is great. Far better than any cheaper alternative I've tried, and they have great customer support. Good way to support Mac Address if you so happen to be in the market for a tactile screen protector! Also also, just wanted to say the iPad version of Photoshop sucks ass. I made a request on their forums for a basic alignment tool over half a DECADE ago, it got a lot of traction, and the fuckers at Adobe still haven't implemented it. It doesn't even have a freakin' alignment tool.
@@macaddressother companies manage to do this. Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer are as full featured as their desktop version. The UI is a bit different of course but it really proves that if companies have ambition they can make professional apps that use the iPad power fully.
I switched to a "matte glass screen protector" from Aliexpress, as my paperlike started getting visible marks from the pencil. Glass will probably wear down the pencil nibs, but Aliexpress has replacement ones too :)
@macaddress funnily enough, PS for the Web has alignment features. I use it on my Android tablet since Adobe refuses to develop a native Android PS app.
I'm a concept artist in game dev and film industries. Mainly I use the cintiq 24 when I'm in my office but for the on the go I tried using ipads. I had three ipad pros over the years and they were nice but recently I switched to samsung due to the larger size screen and buttons on the pens and better secondary screen support. For me the killer feature of the samsung is the ability to connect the wacom movink to it and use the pro pen on the go, it's just the best feeling pen for me. I don't use procreate so I didn't miss it switching from the ipad. If anybody is looking for the photoshop experience on the ipad get Art studio pro, it's as close as it gets imo and I was able to use it for pro work. Currently I'm using clip studio paint on the samsung and it's incredibly capable too. So depending on what your workflow is ipad might work for you or it might not. I paint more then draw\do line art so I preferer apps like artstudio pro and clipstudio that support the brushes I'm used to. Hope this helps somebody)
same. iPad is good for starters, but for better, unified workflow I moved to Cintiq/Mac. I'm now prepare for webtoon artist, and since most webtoon use sketchup for background drawings,(which iPad doesn't support) and my iPad's tiny 8gb ram is screaming while I doing multiple pages, I can't help but decide to leave iPad.
13:06 she point out Apple Pencil's jittering problem. not many artist's notices it, but after you find out, that thing really bugs you out. especially if your work is focused on linework like comics, or manga.
She says it’s not a screen protector issue however I found out that it most likely is a screen protector issue since I only noticed it after I applied my paperlike 🤷♂️
@@homecactus Perhaps the screen protector also caused that glitch when she started the strokes. I've never had that issue or any jittering so far, and she didn't complain about it before the screen protector was applied.
@@homecactus it's not the screen protector, it's about the way the pencil is detected and how much granularity can be achieved. EMR technology allows for much better detection than the capacitive grid on the ipad screen.
It definitely has a jitter, but i only noticed it after applying my (usual tempered glass) protector. for my comic ish style and for studying Marvel Comics style, i often thicken my lines with a rough pencil and with multiple passes, fixing with eraser. (i do not do this as much with my Huion Kamvas)
The Wacom art pen got discontinued to due not being able to produce some components, and Wacom Europe has the only remaining stock (sold out everywhere else). Reliable supply for any 14 year old tech product is hard, so hopefully they are able to produce a new pen with barrel rotation within a few years! The art pen works on the cintiq/pro lines which includes the movink (the intuos/one lines aren't compatible)
I'm praying to the tech gods they can re discover this lost ability. Perhaps I should sacrifice some old ipads. Apple know how a new feature can pursued people to overpay for tech.
It’s funny. I study industrial design and we gave to draw a lot of product renders. For the last couple of years, more and more students are beginning to use iPads. Right now it’s 50/50 between iPad and Wacom, where it used to be just Wacom. As they get older and get in the professional field, iPads might become more and more common for professionals
Thats the thing. This video is extremely one sided thanks to the fact that that they brought in ONE artist, who only uses Photoshop, and then stems their opinion against the Procreate setup mainly because they have no experience with it. A complete disregard for the fact that it would have a learning curve to it. At least the sample size could have been increased in terms of artists’ opinion.
Not at all. I'm a professional Industrial designer/concept artist. I still use my wacom intuos tablet everyday day. I have an ipad air and apple pencil but I dont use that much because of small screen.
@@ThatIceChampion thats not how it works in the real world. There is this thing called conditioning. If you have a cintiq 24 inch at home like me you cant go back to a smaller screen. If you haven’t tried a big cintiq and you only use ipad 13 inch in your whole life that can work too. cintiqs 22 or 24 are for big projects that is why big studios such as Riot games use them. There is no such thing as working in a studio and they give you ipads thats not going to happen.
@@AchakBrooks They originally had just Gen 1 and later Gen 2. That lineup was super easy to understand in terms of capabilities and compatibility. Now they replaced them with the USB-C one which was worse in capabilities, and also the Pro one and compability on it is a mess They should have just given us Gen 3 and made them all fully compatible
I think from the video itself it’s pretty clear that Apple is hurting themselves by trying not to cannibalise their sales. They won’t give macOS to iPad users and they won’t give touchscreen pen support to Mac users. Imagine if the current iMac had a touch screen and more flexible stand.
I've been mainly an iPad artist working professionally for 4+ years, and recently purchased a large tablet for PC. I have yet to learn it, and I got it for access to more software on windows and being able to do more work, but I have no doubt about the iPad Pro being a very capable piece of hardware. One thing that I feel like it's important to mention is that there is always a cost to changing hardware. While I appreciate Elizabeth's input, you should also be aware that a lot of artists, even digitally, do things differently, whether that's due to their hardware, habits, or preferences, I feel like the biggest flaw with this video is the lack of perspective from artists who use different software, hardware, even things like seating position and drawing angle matter too. While I appreciate that you have a professional's input for this, there's also some things you really appreciate about the iPad once you really start to get used to it. I get that this channel comes from a perspective not of digital artists, but as someone who works freelance and does this as my main income, and using an iPad Pro as my main device I've been in a unique position to compare my workflow to others. I'm glad Elizabeth understands that she's not as used to the Procreate software or pencil, both which definitely has some issues, the iPad Pro isn't perfect, but again there's definitely what you're used to, for example, I would not dream of drawing on my iPad without at least a stand that is able to prop my iPad up at an angle, which keeps me from getting fatigued from drawing and allows me to use more of the screen at once, as well as a drawing glove. One unpopular opinion I have is that I personally don't mind drawing on glass at all, I'm very used to the glide. I also think the glob on the screen might be specific to adobe on the iPad. I have not had this issue in Procreate. Definitely 200% agree with her on the 20 inch iPad. I would buy an iPad Studio type professional product in a heartbeat if it was announced! I never take this thing outside since it's pretty much only for work.
the issue with procreate is that its a program that heavily lacks features compared to other drawing programs. a long with some software limits due to how they load layers(which is why amount of layers are tied to your hardware, something only procreate does). the lack of UI customization also hinders making optimal workflow. lack of keyboard shortcuts also makes it slower, compared to a proper drawing programs. ipads strength is portability, thats it. there are no other strengths to it. which makes it on par with other high end consumer tablets. i do know some proffesionals who do sketch on it, then draw it on a proffesional drawing tablet. which is great cause it means you can lay down and draw and it will help saving your back. that is if sketches takes some time to draw
@@GoalOrientedLifting Procreate isn't the only application though. I use clip studio paint on my pc, and csp is fully supported on ipad. When I swap between my iPad and my pc there is little to no difference because it's the same application. I agree with freshapplepie, there are different types of artists and different uses. For me I lose 0 functionality from my workflow from pc to ipad. It's all the same EXCEPT the iPad is very easy to move around and travel with. Another piece of software I use is the affinity suite which is also identical to the desktop version. iPadOS also supports keyboards and the like, and csp has all the shortcuts enabled on their ipad app as they do on pc version, along with a powerful shortcut customization window (and UI customization). For portability you can easily buy something like the huion keydial mini k20 and use it next to the iPad which I'm planning to do. Fully customizable keypad with a dial compatible with support for any major operating systems like macos, windows, android or ipados. When I've been away my pc, I can just save an in-progress drawing over the internet directly onto my pcs hard drive as a .clip file and continue at my desk with a bigger drawing display. It's all very seamless for me
@@GoalOrientedLifting The iPad has access to more software than procreate. I use clip studio paint. The application is the same on pc and on iPad. UI customization, shortcuts with keyboards and keypads, a big shortcut customization area, it's all there. Clip files saved on iPad can easily be opened on pc, and it also can save directly as a psd file. I fully agree that with procreate it feels more like a sketching device, but with csp it feels more like using a pc. Personally I use both, csp on pc and on iPad
@@oh-noe i use CSP too, its why the 2 sections are seperated, one about the procreate software, and second one about ipad(i couldve made em more distinct). ipad isnt a bad tool. its good tool for what it does. but it gets touted as the same tool as the proffesional levels wacoms and similar too often and proffesional work seemed to be boxed in the same box way too much. even though theres a huge spectrum of whats considered proffesional work.
@@GoalOrientedLifting A lot of the UI is hidden to save space, Procreate is very powerful for what it is and while I agree the hardware is the main limitation for layer count, most digital illustration work won't going to hit the limit for the amount of tools there are available, the iPad's strength is in it's touch gestures for Procreate which are very customizable, on the surface Procreate looks very simple, but if you go through the handbook you'll see there's a lot of thoughtful design that goes into the available tools and such. Procreate is definitely not without it's problems, the two biggest issues for me is the layer count and actually getting procreate files off the dang thing, but having used it for years, there's a huge advantage to using both hands on screen because most of the keyboard shortcuts that you'd use on other tablets are just multitouch instead, two finger tap to undo, three finger tap to redo, brush size you can just adjust with left hand, there's of course a cost to switching as I've said, especially if you're used to the keyboard, but you can definitely get used this I am a bit biased, but this has been my only job for the past 5 years, and the iPad Pro has been my main device. One of the biggest advantages is I still believe the iPad Pro has the best pen tech out there, at least in terms of lag and responsiveness, and I've tried some pretty high-end PC tablet displays including the one I recently bought
Art includes a very broad spectrum of media and technique. Some can be very technical and unlikely to use much expression in the brush, while others can be 'naturalistic' and rely on a lot of expression as you apply media. Brushes in most applications are defined based on their real world counterpoints. A brush that typically doesn't use tilt in practice won't have tilt in digital media; ones that do (say, a pencil) will already have it turned on and adjusted. Elizabeth does a fairly technical style of art for her work. A concept artist, for instance, might use more expressive brushes. There are brands that compete favourably with Wacom these days, while the iPad, though good, is limited by its OS.
It has been a long time where companies slap on the word "pro" but most of the pros don't use that product for their work. But love seeing the comparison between the what apple has to offer vs what they're trying to achieve.
My girlfriend is a professional photo editor and graphic designer, some time ago she got a iPad but get ready annoyed by how different IOS is, return the iPad and go back to her wacom on Windows But at the same time, my ant who is a professional illustrator love her iPad, she say she really enjoy how it is very simple, just like drawing with pen and paper So I think it is just personal preference With that said, in many school and professional environment, wacom is just the standard, you don't even have to pay for it, I been to my girlfriend's art school and the classroom are equip with wacom. When she started working every place she work at just come with a wacom So she been working with wacom all her career but never have to pay for one
This video pissed me off when it started with a blanket statement that pros don't use iPads. But they do. Not all pros do, but many do. I mean literally one of Jonathan's coworkers at LTT uses her iPad for all her drawings and designs. Sucha bad take to start off the video
Like with a lot of computer stuff. IT professionals don't own personal licenses for server programs, they just work with them. Data analysts are given workstations with Threadrippers, they're not expected to supply that hardware themselves.
This was great to watch because you can see a true professional break down exactly where the friction is. The mobile versions of apps are just way different from full OS versions. They also need to work on SideCar to iron out those bugs. In my experience I notice that the video signal has some bitrate issues when trying to use the iPad as a reference monitor, even when using a Thunderbolt cable.
im a professional artist too so ive been waiting for a ep like this comparing ipad to wacom! but tbh I feel like u should bring in someone that uses the iPad more next time. i know tons of artist in and out of work, at companies and as freelancers that use the iPad professionally and exclusively. so idk maybe u don't know enough artists yet xD I personally also use Ipad professionally without many problems I feel using iPad or not is mainly about taste and usecase. that's what I've gathered from most artists. some like the feel of the apple pencil more some don't. some like the features of procreate more some value the simplicity and gesture workflow of procreate. so the feature differences don't actually matter that much as long as there is good pressure sensitivity. to the usecase. there are just some jobs that are easier to do or only possible in photoshop on PC than on iPad. a 3d centric workflow where u switch between 3d program and painting program a lot is a much easier to do on PC. since there are more 3d apps and the automatic file update feature helps a lot. this feature makes working on one file on a server also much more easier which could be a studio requirement. any kind of design work with vectors, smartobjects, filters, color adjustment layers. all features that are better done in photoshop bc of its huge library of nondestructive adjustment methods. same goes for if u do photobashing. the image importing and lasso tool in ps is a lot nice to work with for this use case in my experience. in general do I see more realistic type of art coming from ppl that use PCs instead of ipads. if u however want to just concentrate on painting only. work mainly on few layers want to work on the go than an iPad works great. everything rough that doesn't neet to be 100% perfect for a finished product is great on the iPad. so sketching and concepting. in general if u work on one project/painting after another alone and not in a team, don't need to share ps files that often there isn't much the iPad lacks behind. coming back to the taste point. i still know many that refuse pen displays entirely and work on old wacom graphictablets without display. many prefer the comfort of that and the ergonomic advantages of not having to look down all the time. fact is u can do the same work on all of these to the same level. some workflows just work better on one lover the other. but coming now to the real differentiator, why iPad still lacks behind and isn't as useful professionally. it has mainly to do with ipados (yes again). the filesystem still sucks and the sandbox app system wont allow for many standard workflows that are common on PC and mac. synchronizing any files with other ppl u work with (that might not have a mac and airdrop) is a pain in the ass. and that's usually a huge advantage on PC. 3d apps also still aren't there yet and I don't see them ever be as good bc apple refuses to just let us use mouse and keyboard without touch interface. same for animation. still not there yet. the sandbox system also makes it difficult to share a single file between these programs. In general not bein able to use PC apps is an obvious disadvantage -- For hardware: only a few things that could be improved but what appl prob will never do a thicker pencil with normal clicky buttons is just better. yes squeeze is better than nothing but nothing beats a button. bigger ipads. an iPad with a stand or vesa mounting points. In conclusion.: there are lots of artist using iPad professionally. tho most also need to use a PC in addition to it. if even just for sharing files. some also use both for their individual strengths. its mainly just taste IpadOS still sucks tho and makes it impossible to use for some specific workflows. Quality apps are everything Wacom and photoshop is not perfect either but the have been the standard for so long that many are just used to it.
As a Professional I switched a few years ago from Photoshop with a mid-sized Wacom tablet, to iPad and Procreate. I don't have the new iPads with the Pro pencil, but I haven't missed Photoshop at all.
Haven't seen it yet, but as an animator, apple is a complete non option for me. there's zero software for ipads/ tablets that's anywhere near what you need for real projects ^_^; i use a screenless tablet which you can get for like $130 and that's the larger size they offer! Also, as an illustrator & animator & designer, I much prefer screenless over screen tablets; it saves my neck from having to hunch over, and once I got over the initial hand-eye coordination bit, I don't even think about it when I draw anymore :o) The other thing is that CSP (very common art program for illustrators who don't want to use Photoshop) is a subscription on an Ipad and only a single time purchase on computer loool I've tried to Sidecar things (maybe it's better now?) and it's always been so laggy that brushstrokes come out janky
I used to have a Wacom intuos, big one, I miss it. Nothing really compares to that comfort and compatibility that I’ve tried. I got a budget monitor tablet and the resolution is pretty bad, but I can’t afford a professional monitor tablet.
@@Muxeroth Based hahaha I used one with a stand when I was doing some gamedev stuff a bit ago and I still felt like I was shrimping but maybe just skill issue? ^_^
@@AchakBrooks Ooooo, kind of a meh from me- I'm not a professional but I work with some animators in a little collective and I've heard some pretty mixed things, I think it can be super great in the future but the selection stuff is apparently really unfun to work with (which also makes transforming / resizing things unfun) Toonsquid seems like the best option rn, but I use Opentoonz since it's fully featured and free! Only on computer though, not for tablets or phones
Wacom drawing tablets were my only option until about three years ago when I started using the iPad Pro with the newer Apple Pencil. With my work ranging from full illustrations to simple sketches, I've found Adobe Fresco on the iPad to be incredibly handy for on-the-go creativity. However, I still need to switch to my laptop to finish some pieces. Even with that, I’ve come to love the iPad for its versatility and portability
There's undoubtably a tremendous amount of effort required to get a shoot done with a third-party guest so heavily involved, so big kudos to you for that. However, it would be great if you could cover professional use cases more often using real-world professionals. LTT did a video a while back where they mimicked Linus Torvalds' PC build. In there, Linus (Sebastian) remarked "we've never really covered a developer's use case, so here you go" as though that was all developers squared away in terms of coverage, which of course isn't the case (and I'm sure Linus wasn't suggesting so in reality). For example, my development stack is full-stack web development with cross-platform app development. I'm using Apple hardware for my development and wouldn't have it any other way. It would be great if a future Mac Address could maybe delve into Apple products for those types of professionals. Floatplane developers might be a good sample for this, which would reduce the complexity of the shoot due to them being internal.
I use an iPad for drawing digital portraits in procreate. But work in physical oil paints for most of my work, now I want to try a Wacom Cintiq again after donating my old one many years ago!
12:05 Oh my gosh the blob at the beginning or end of a stroke where the pencil thinks the pressure sensitivity got weird because it’s not actually touching the screen but it’s not far enough above to realize it’s hovering is so annoying. Apple needs to tune the pencil
I’ve had to say this multiple times in the comments already but I’m actually quite sure this is an issue with the screen protector. I only noticed that issue on mine after I applied the paperlike
@@SpaceShrimp-rk4rt This isn't a no-go because it doesn't happen on an unmodified iPad. It's because of the screen protector they added. Note how she didn't have this issue before they added the protector. If that issue was common it would be criticized in every single review.
Hm… I’m having the issue in some native iPadOS apps (ex. Affinity Designer 1) but that could be because it’s an out of date application. Makes sense that it was mostly experiences over sidecar though!
Thank you for making this video. As a Samsung Tab user, I hope every day that the next tablet just full on supports a wacom propen 4 that has roll support. It's crazy that we have 3 good options and all of them have significant compromises.
I’m not a professional artist but I’ve been doing art for a decade. I’ve had a cintiq 13HD, now on the Cintiq 16. I got my first iPad in 2019, the iPad Air 3 and recently upgraded to the iPad Pro m2 model this year. For me the iPad is mostly my travelling art companion, with Dropbox I can work pretty much any of my projects anywhere. It’s awesome! Still though when I’m at home I just wanna use my cintiq over the iPad, Why? I just like the feel of my cintiq and the Wacom pen. It's a bit hard for me to explain but the Wacom pen feels better to me, the Apple Pencil is no slouch though but there was a curve in my experience getting use to drawing with the Apple Pencil and iPad. Though this is just likely preference. Also I’m using windows, I can customise to my hearts content, that’s not possible on the iPad. As this video shows, because applications aren’t the same as their pc counterparts it makes it difficult to invest in those apps. This is why my main app of choice is Clip Studio Paint on desktop and iPad as both applications are the same. It makes it a lot easier to invest time and use both and move back and forth when both applications behave and even look the same because you know what you’re walking into. For professionals that also makes it easier to jump right in and get on with work. Overall, iPads good, it’s got great tools and it was worth spending nearly £1400 on my iPad Pro for the bigger screen. 🙂
Thanks. Having someone that has used both sets of tools extensively is a much stronger point of comparison than someone who was just shown a new tool and expected to be a direct comparison to a long standing alternative daily tool. I'm curious - have you been using the new Pencil Pro? with the barrel roll and hover? I quite enjoy the v2 Pencil, but I'm no pro artist, just sketching, diagrams, and hand writing notes.
@@RyanCrossOfficial I own the M2 model and an older magnetic apple pencil. Due to sudden circumstances earlier this year (before the release of the newest iPads) I was given the option to get an M2 iPad and I took the leap. So I've got the hover feature which coming from an older iPad I didn't realise how much I needed that. It's really helpful to be able to know where your cursor is and what shape the brush is before doing anything, before it was slap it down and see what it does. Whereas on my Cintiq, I've always had the cursor so it was easier to gauge what I was doing and what tool was active. I've had a chance to try the newest pencil in an apple store on Procreate and I do like it a lot, I haven't had a chance to try it in Clip Studio Paint. The barrel roll would be helpful and the squeeze would be great. I can see myself using both. If it had been possible to buy this pencil seperately for older models, I'd have bought it in that moment, in the store. Literally I was Fry from futurama in that moment. "Take my money!" Thing is though I do not want to upgrade everything just for a pencil. So for now I'm sticking with what I've got and honestly it does the job really well. Hopefully that answers your question.
I am a 30+ years designer, I still cant stand the Apple surface (even after adding a paper-like film. The pencil needs for me clear buttons, not squeezy, squishy, twisty actions. Cintiques have the eraser on the back, which is just the most natural thing ever.
The Eraser thing is such a no brainer tbh, even as someone who has used a Apple Pencil for awhile to do edits (I render Source Filmmaker artwork then do post-edits to clean things up) it just seemed like a no brainer that Apple doesn't acknowledge. I think a bigger issue for me is iPadOS though, because I have to transfer the rendered image over to the iPad, when with just a Wacom tablet, all the files are on the computer already that did the first render and doesn't have it's own ""computer"" to deal with, so it removes a unneeded step.
The eraser thing was never and issue and now even less so when you can just set the eraser to switch with the squeeze gesture which is much faster than flipping the pencil around. Gestures are also much more intuitive than keyboard shortcuts or even unmarked customizable buttons
@@chidorirasenganz I strongly disagree with gestures being the way to go because they can get in the way for some artists like the one shown in the video, that has happened even for me when I used the 2nd Gen Pencil. The eraser being at the top isn't a necessity, just it would be a QoL feature to make the usage more simple and easy to understand than having to fiddle with finicky touch controls that may or may not do what you want it to do.
As a professional illustrator, although we have screen displays at our office, the ipad has been my main drawing tool for the last 5 years. Once you get used to glass surface, everything else is great. The thing is that Procreate and even Fresco are way better to simply draw. Photoshop is what I use to finish up art. Also vector drawing in Illustrator for Ipad is great.
I don't do art and seldom use my Apple Stylus, but I can recommend getting a screen protector with the same film to give it a paper texture for regular use. There are plenty of them out there using the exact same material, but they don't cost $45-80.
I've used an intuos xl for well over a decade for work everyday. I don't have to give up desk space like a cintiq and most importantly, it's way more ergonomic. Which is critical when it's 10 hours a day, every day for decades
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This is turning into the most honest Apple-related channel on TH-cam, one way or the other.
I’ve been using Wacom tablets for a very long time and my last version was an Intuos. The Cintiq wouldn’ve been quite the overkill for me since I mostly work with vector graphics nowadays. I also have been tinkering around with the Apple iPad and it’s series 2 version pencil and it was fine for my use case. Drawing has been fun on the iPad. I recently updated to a M2 because the pencil worked just fine and I didn’t feel upgrading the whole package since it didn’t feel necessary to go for the latest and greatest to me. The m2 is quite the powerhouse compared to the 2018 model. I’m actually interested in updating my wacom tablet though..😊
I love how curious you are! Also, weirdly glad about how you brought in someone who isnt a tec freak. Makes the artist’s view more grounded, but also gives more weight to her initial thoughts/first impressions. As a hobby artist I prefer the iPad Pro, but would without doubt invest in a Wacom for professional work.
A popular ipad app developer here. FYI these screen protectors ruin precision of the reported pencil points to the software, making them wavy. Any additional thickness on top of the screen does that. Line smoothing could reduce this effect but the original info the app gets is still trash. But my artists still use paperlike and love it. Also I absolutely don't agree that pro artists don't use ipad, that's just false. There are lots commercially successful ipad artists even on TH-cam. And in my company we have lots of them too.
Agreed I know tons of people working on iPad, lots of people from hobbyist to freelancers in many different fields too. I found that a wierd statement to say at the start of the video.
I have met a lot of artists using iPads including my sister so it is definitely a lie that iPads are not used professionally,maybe she isn’t ,doesn’t mean every other professional don’t too.
Lol, pro as in people who work with large studios in established industries in animation and design, not freelancers or youtube famous creators. This is like saying professional movie editors were all using adobe premiere suites jn the early 2000s, no. Most of the industry standard was AVID until the early 2010s when premiere became the tool of choice for newer editors in the industry. iPad OS is severely limiting and a large chunk of animation industry professionals that have to work across teams use full fledged PCs and drawing tablets
I love my m1 iPad Pro and Apple Pencil for its portability. It’s great for sketching and the early stages of a project. The UI has been optimized to be easy to work with on the go. Where it fails for me is large complex images when working in a non destructive way. For large projects it is just nice to have keyboard shortcuts, macros, no limitations layers, and a vesa mount to promote proper posture. I like to work with a lot of layers so the iPad doesn’t work for me for complex paintings and illustrations. The iPad is a great tool to enhance the design workflow, but it just can’t replace a solid stationary rig imo.
Looking at the finished work at the end full screen really surprised me. Nice work!
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I've been a MS surface user for 10 years now. I've tried all the first party pens, and many 3rd party ones. But still to this day my favourite is the Bamboo one. Everything just felt right on it from the first use. I still miss it, and secretly hope they'll bring out a new model for the new MPP version. The video was awesome!
I love how this video really dives into what pros actually think! It's so true that tools need to match the quality of the work, not just have cool features. Like, I'm all for the new Apple Pencil Pro but if it can’t measure up to the Wacom vibe, what's the point? 🎨✨
As a freelancer, I use the iPad Pro ( 2022 model ) and my sketchbook on the go. Sometimes I use it professionally and use my Xencelabs tablet for other projects for granular control/editing especially page layout work. I absolutely agree that the iPad needs to go at least 16-20 inches to be considering 'studio' level work because 12.9 inch screen size ain't cutting it no matter how hard Apple hypes it up. Nor would I ever, EVER use Sidecar as a 'poor man's' Cintiq because the text looks smaller on it especially when the main desktop monitor goes between 2k-4K resolution for output. This is where, I think, Apple dropped the ball big time in getting a bigger iPad Pro out for creative professionals and remove the rear cameras so that the back lays flat entirely on surface. Keep the device focused and restricted to certain iOS apps without the games, etc for distraction free work. Also, 16-20 inches for the iPad makes a lot of sense when doing page layout work even when doing double page spreads otherwise the desktop is king for this reason.
I’m surprised a lot of ppl don’t know but u could also get a custom pencil tip with the Apple Pencil. The ailun metal one is good added w a paperlike screen protector. It feels really good and the closest like paper. Plus the sound is so satisfying when writing or drawing.
The Paperlike gel gets pretty cloudy in a half year and it shows a lot of scratches from the pen. When I removed it, it took the coatings of my iPad screen with it. This is significant, because before having the gel on, I could wipe the screen down easily and it would be super clean and after the gel, it just won’t clean unless I really polish it or use soap. I would not use one again.
I think way too many younger artists think the iPad just has the best pen and everything. As much as the Apple Pencil costs, the whole package is the budget and portable option. You want it because you get a lot for what you pay for, and you want it because it's portable, and you want it as a fun toy in general, and you want it because it's an iPad (a great screen, iOS, good Netflix experience, good for reading and typing and scrolling, etc). For some high-precision art applications, it doesn't beat even a 16" Cintiq, because of the quality and accuracy of the pen. This isn't just a "the old thing was better" sentiment, there's a lot of professionals who tried to switch to iPad because of its portability benefits, and just based on the quality of the pencil, they couldn't switch. Some artists do, depending on their style, usually the ones who either don't care about the wobble or just prioritize the feeling of portability a lot more, and they love the iPad and never went back to desktop. But a lot professionals also just can't.
Actually it’s well known that the iPad is superior. You can look at channels like Brad Colbow for further details. It terms of accuracy and responsiveness and software the iPad. I can also speak from personal experience as someone who has used a cintiq and a surface pro. The only people sticking with the old stuff are people used to older ways of working
@@PharanBrush it’s subjective at this point. I think Wacom is living too much on its legacy, and a certain age of people just used to working on drawing apps with heavy menus and a lot of hot keys. And that will never work on a small 13” screen only device. I’m probably older than you, and you reminds me when my art teacher got angry for us using a mechanical pencil to draw. I remember my art teacher saying no job will allow this. My first full time job was clean up and inbetween artist at Disney and we used a mechanical pencil. Now at work today I don’t think an iPad will ever be introduced to a studio system. Studios would love to save money, but the apps and filing system on an iPad will never fit in. For freelancing there is no reason you couldn’t use an iPad. I’ve done some TV commercials on an iPad. Not a full production, just some elements. There is a Pizza Hut commercial in China that has fish done in procreate, another one with musical instruments animated in RoughAnimator and I’ve done a KFC campaign where the cartoon Chicken was done in Callipeg. These are different devices and no one should argue that you like Wacom better, but there is too many amazing works done on iPads (and Samsung Galaxy tabs that use cheaper Wacom tech) for people to dismiss the fact for some people these newer devices and software just works better.
I am a digital artist as a hobby, I’ve been using procreate on in iPad Pro m1 12 inch with Apple Pencil for several years now, but recently fell in love with CSP for the brushes and how colors mixed and worked together a lot better imo. Since it’s a subscription on iPad though, I’ll probably be transitioning to working on my desktop with my cheap graphics tablet til I can afford a nice display tablet. It seems iPad is really great to start with, but if you wanna be like the pros, you still will want to use some kind of desktop tablet setup.
So, I use an iPad daily for my design work. I used to be Cintiq only, and so I put a paperlike screen protector on right away. I found 2 major flaws : it eats nibs ( I had to buy replacement packs regularly) and the screen clarity that is great on an iPad was totally gone. No matter how nice the protector is, it is putting a layer between you and the screen. I bet, if you gave the iPad and a challenge of use it for a month, most would switch. I can sketch in my yard, on the couch, create CAD models on a plane, and then I have my iPad with all the content it is great for. I would never go back to being stuck at a desk for creative work, it’s antithesis to that process for me.
I know quite a few people working in feature and show animation. Most if not all of them use the ipad and procreate as their primary device (often with paperfeel screen protectors) and then do other steps on a wacom in photoshop
This video finally validated that 'blob' issue at the start of strokes in some apps.. I always thought I was the only one with that issue. It does get pretty irritating after a while.
One of the BEST drawing tablet videos I’ve seen so far, I think you should compare the iPad Pro with the Samsung tab ultra with the Wacom one gen 1 pen, and a screen protector, on clip studio (since it’s a program that works on both devices) I think the pressure sensitivity and the line quality on the tab ultra it’s better, but the iPad it’s better for painting since it has better color accuracy and the new barrel rotation that the old Wacom art pen used to have
As a Cintiq 27QHD user I've been on the chase for a portable drawing tablet, The iPad I found way too slippery, but I found the Samsung Galaxy S tablets to be way better for my personal use case. Surprsingly Elizabeth's use case is somewhat similar to mine, a lot of those functions are not really needed, pressure is what matters.
This video is heavily biased. There are way many drawing tablet brands out there that are more affordable and better than this. Both Apple and Wacom are overpriced af.
@koyodraka Yes there are many cheaper alternatives out there and all valid options for artists in their use case and it is good there options to fit their budget and needs. but this video is a comparison of the iPad to the industry standard. You will rarely find any major studio film, game, graphic, industrial etc without a Wacom tablet in front of them.
Some drawing programs have a feature that basically does barrel roll automatically, by detecting what direction you're moving in and always angling the brush perpendicularly to it. I feel like I'd get more use out of that than having to rotate manually.
you can upgrade your pc with Cintiq, it has bigger screens, it give you more pen variations, and it didn't jittering like Apple Pencil while drawing certain angled line.
I know the Pixel Tab doesn't compare, but it does have a nice 3rd party paper-like film that instead of being a permanent screen protector, can be taken on and off freely. If you can get your hands on something like that for the iPad, HIGHLY recommend. Paper-like screen protectors feel great, but tend to wash out colors, so being able to easily take em off when consuming content is really nice.
I actually just discovered that my drawing tablet has tilt support recently. I was trying to use it, but I soon realized that the tilt isn't doing me any favors. It's challenging to control the pressure when you are tilted, and it's also hard to make sure you are on the right direction for tilting. Maybe it can be useful if I grew up with that technology and developed my techniques with it, but as someone didn't have that when I started, it's not very useful to me.
I use an iPad and I don't like the tilt either. It feels awkward, and if I by mistake held my pen a little to slanted it starts modifying my brush in ways I don't want. I just keep it off
Have used both. I to use chisel tip markers for my work. Consequently a 3500 dollar art tool such as the Cintiq that has no barrel roll was super frustrating. I love the Apple Pencil for this reason. Now, what Apple needs to make is a pressure sensitive 27” Mac monitor. But they don’t.
One of the better ads I have seen in a wile. I wonder how long I will have the 2nd slip of paper like before I find a thing to use it on? Also thanks for the vid
I got into digital drawing and painting not too long ago, but have been drawing my whole life and have used Cintiq, Wacom, iOS and Android. Eventually I went for the Android experience mostly because of platform bias and got myself a Samsung Tab S9 Ultra, but I can assure anyone that the Cintiq experience with Photoshop (or CSP, Fresco, etc) is just incredibly superior. The only thing I do see myself using is the tilt real time preview, though it's still a gimmick because it takes a really short time to get used to the tilt function when drawing digitally. So yeah, like others have said, the term "pro" is used very loosely, as it always has been.
One thing I don't like about Procreate is the transform tool is just inferior to CSP for example, minor resizing always makes things blurry, you have to fiddle with the scaling method etc, I hope they improve that one day
I agree, this video is kind of shallow on that aspect. Not to mention both Wacom and Apple are overpriced. There are many alternatives out there that are way more affordable. Don't waste money on Apple and Wacom.
Agreeing with her in most, as an artist. And specially in that for many artists, the canvas and display size is an essential factor. I'd consider quite more the possibility of buying a 20" iPad (but scared to think of the price tag). Also, I still prefer two (or three) buttons programmable to specific actions (specially picking color (the workflow of leaving the tip for a second to pick color is not for everyone), undoing, etc) than a squeezing that brings up icons to screen, that seems one step slower and more distracting. When painting, focus is everything, at least for some of us. Kudos though to Apple for getting those great results in color accuracy in the new iPad Pro. But Again, we (or a few of us) need more than 13" screens. I sketch outside in a Samsung S7 FE (or in an old trusty traditional notebook, or even the Amazon Scribe). So, I don't deny the value of small tablets.
the size is prob gonna be the big deciding factor for some artists cause u even w the largest size ipad its still not as big as the biggest size cintique but the younger generation are prefering the ipad. i find it as something thats good to have when u wanna travel or u dont have a permanent desk to art on
It is good enough. Ive had coworkers who worked on iPad Pro almost exclusively. It's usually just a matter of being able to export your file into something the rest of the team can use (primarily PSDs). Besides, you'd be surprised at how many artists switch to using the drawing tablets without a screen for ergonomic reasons.
I’m not nearly as good as the creator you used in the video, but what I personally do is use the new iPad Pro for professional illustrations and comps, and I’m subscribed to Shadow PC. This way I can use the best screen in the world for creating and I’m not held back by the software on the iPad. It costs $20/mo for Shadow but I find that combo on the iPad Pro fucking impossible to beat tbh. If you’re interested maybe make a video on this use case. I use the Razer Naga V2 Hyperspeed with it in Bluetooth mode, because annoyingly the new Magic Keyboard doesn’t work on Shadow PC for some reason. Shadow says it’s because Apple locks things down, which doesn’t surprise me. Still yet I haven’t seen one person mention using the advantages of the iPad Pro tandem oled in the cloud computing context.
I'm a professional illustrator and i love apple pencil and ipad pro, i mainly make picture book and i know lots of artist swear by it, the pencil is one of the best, ipad performance is good enough and you can work anywhere with it. for illustrator in animation industry it is a bit different, photoshop and wacom is still the standard, it's reliable for studio workflow. i'd say if you want to work in animation industry like her get a decent pc or mac with pen display like wacom, for picture book illustration and many more field, ipad pro is actually a good and much more convenient. every artist has different workflow tho so it's good to try different device if you can and see which one suits you better. cheers
I use both the Apple Pencil pro with the iPad Pro as well as a Wacom contiq in my work. The Apple Pencil is fantastic, but it’s got 2 major flaws: the short battery life and the fact that it’s locked to the iPad. Being able to use it on a larger screen tablet would be fantastic and having a lot more professional software options to use with it would make it a lot more easy to justify.
As a digital artist and animator, I have never had the desire to use an iPad for professional work. I’ve used Wacom’s tablets for years, including my 27 inch Cintiq which is near perfection. Fancy features the iPad and Apple Pencil have are neat but not practical at all for a professional. I like the feel and customizability of the Wacom stylus. Pressure sensitivity is really the only thing we need along with super accurate and smooth tracking with zero latency. I love the size of my Cintiq with its wide margins for my arms to rest on and my keyboard to sit. Comfort while working is very important and I can’t imagine hunching over a tiny iPad craning my neck when trying to animate.
I use an iPad professionally, though I'm swapping files into Photoshop and Illustrator on desktop quite often. I was converted by another professional artist who used the iPad and immediately fell in love with the feel of drawing on it. That's all down to personal taste though. Wacom feels too mushy to me now. A drawing glove is a necessity though. iPad OS is the biggest problem. Also I'd really like an XL size of some sort. Other minor quibbles with the pencil I can get over. Tilt and roll haven't been "must haves" in my workflow. I haven't tried the new pencil, so I don't know about the squeeze, but I hated the double-tap and turned that off immediately. Side note, if you're getting "globs" on your brush stroke, you'll want to look at adjusting your pressure curve in the settings.
@@macaddress You know, I think when I made that comment I didn't put it together that the glob issue was happening just through Sidecar. I don't think there's a way to adjust the pressure curve for that as far as I can tell. That's something that Apple should really get on if they have any interest in artists taking it seriously. Probably not really helpful for that issue, but if it comes up when not using Sidecar: for any iPad art app, the pressure curve is in the app settings. For a Wacom on Mac, the pressure curve is in the control panel in System Settings. I'd guess it's the same for Wacom competitors like Huion. I've gotten globs on both platforms, so personally I like to set it so that it requires slightly more pressure than normal to start drawing. I also start the curve at a low angle because if find I want more precise control when making lighter strokes. Seems to do the trick for me.
I work as a designer and I use a cintiq for work. I like that it is compatible with vesa, so I mounted it on an arm and I can draw comfortably standing and sitting, I tried using an ipad for a week and the apps kinda sucked (at the time there was no version of photoshop on ipad, illustrator is really different + there is no blender on it) and I didn't like the ergonomics of it + no keyboard shortcuts are a deal breaker for me.
I bought a pro pencil with my 11" m4. This was my first iPad. I am not a creative at all but I got sucked in to some of the coloring apps. I sort of regret spending the money on the pro pencil but I keep thinking one day I'll find a use for it. Maybe my kids can practice their handwriting with it?
Tilt has been in Wacom Tablets since the 3rd gen i believe. It had it when i was working with my wacom 3rd gen in 2007. I never use it though. I've never had to configure it to use it either. Its built in.
You should use a MAT tempered glass screen protector (or buy a nano textured screen version of iPad) if you want the feeling of Cintiq, because that's what Wacom applies to their screens.
I really enjoyed having someone compltely outside of the LMG team to test things and make comparisons. Not that I have anything against the LMG team, but after watching all the videos for years, it's nice to see other professionals. Hope we get this in future videos as well.
Not directly art related but for work i need to use Microsoft's suite (office, sharepoint, teams, etc...) and those apps are severely cutdown to the point of uselessness. Only Teams is usable, the rest i use on Windows desktop.
Btw I still got a wacom pencil from 2001 that i only had to change the tip every year or so. And I never ever had to charge it or to change the battery. You don't need any battery or to charge your pen ever. And my phone pen works on my wacom and on my tablets and I never had to charge it.
I actually know quite a few artists who use the Apple Pencil even at work! Though mostly the ones that do freelancing - if you’re doing work in a studio, the portability and being able to work while sitting on the couch become much less useful compared to just sheer size. Most use either procreate or connect to their pc, usually through duet I think? Supposedly the latency and quality is significantly better, at least on the iPads with USB 3.0 support. The biggest difference for me personally was the lack of hover by default, it feels weird without it
I’m thinking the glitch is from the screen protector. I’d like to hear her thoughts on the nano texture glass with no screen protector; and if there aren’t any “globs”.
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I really like when you bring guests.
It also shows that you know you can get additional relevant opinions from outside LMG
They just needed a real artist this time, no offense to Sarah.
I thought these 2 had great chemistry
@@notbfg9000 Sarah is a graphic designer, your comment seemed pretty nasty to me.
100%
@@notbfg9000graphic designers don't use pencils to draw but are more on the web development side of it. Lmg doesn't really needs a hands on artists which is why they don't have 1
Still absolutely the different vibe Mac Address has from the rest of LMG & TH-cam generally.
Great narrativizing and has such a lovely tone.
Even the comments here are different compared to other tech channels. I do not own any apple products but I always watch mac address videos
@diabolo1809 Same. I don't own Apple products but I like Jonathan's style of making videos. I always watch them in fullscreen.
The only LMG channel I watch at this point, and like others, I don't own apple products. Those this channel does make me apple curious - the air is sooo cool
It breaths the apple vibe. It speaks to there people. Helps when siloed inside bigger channel so doesn’t need to pander to get big audiences to make money
Like when every "review channel" is just hating on Apple and promoting some huion/wacom stuff? Can't see what is so different.
Basically, the reason why professionals do not use the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil Pro for their work is not because of the pencil. It's because of the iPadOS and its apps. Most professionals don't use Procreate for their work and iPad's Photoshop isn't the same as the desktop one. As long as Apple keeps gatekeeping Mac apps from iPad, Apple Pencil and Procreate will remain as tools used only by hobby artists, not professionals in film and media.
Exactly, iPad OS is holding the iPad back. And now that both the iPad and Mac books run off M series chips, it's a no trainer but trust Apple to keep being Apple
Tho I do feel like there’s still a market for the iPad Pro. Specifically I know of a lot of tattoo artists use it. I think it really depends on how “professional” you are. Elizabeth is obviously a very professional artist working where precision is absolutely necessary, where some may just need the iPad for more simple mock ups or projects thatre more artistic and less “I’m doing work”
It’s not Apple’s fault. Developers like Adobe don’t want to port their apps to iPad.
@@brontiago It's Apple fault. How could Adobe port the full version of their products to iPad pro if the OS doesn't support it? Why does Apple brand the iPad Pro as a computer replacement while still restricting macOS from being its OS? Stop trying to please Apple. Apple doesn't even want to port the full version of FCPX to the iPad.
@@zulfika_ Adobe CAN port Photoshop to iPad, they simply don’t want to. People have been asking them to do it for a while. IPadOS can definitely support it. Also, Apple doesn’t market the iPad as a desktop replacement. They market it for content consumption and artists/creators
I think Apple needs to start to understand that "Pro" does not mean more gimmicks in places nobody is looking for it, but rather reduce the gimmicks to maximum.
Just the features that are really required - like 2-3 actually buttons that can be remapped when needed.
A thing that rarely gets mentioned is, that the Wacom pens do not need to be charged like the Apple ones. My Apple ones seem to die always when I need them the most.
Apple knows what they are doing. The Pro branding, is mostly, just branding, in other words, marketing. And of course, the features associated with the Pro branding are things that wow the consumers who have enough money to waste but are not necessarily real professionals.
@@haomingli6175I mean, the Apple Pencil “Pro” is the same price as previous main Apple Pencils, the only price increase is it only supporting the newest iPads
No no. For Apple. "Pro" aboslutely means more gimmicks because their actual market is NOT Professionals. It's people who have too much money and THINK they're professionals.
tbf since the apple pencil 2nd gen in 2018, you don't ever have to worry about keeping it charged since it's designed to stay on the ipad itself all the time
I think that they're getting there. The new MacBook Pros are a great example. No more touchbar, brought back the ports, and prioritized function over form.
Now simultaneously, hover and barrel roll are both features that could be described as "gimmicks" and I just watched a video where a real professional cited them as the primary features they find alluring.
I’m an architect and industrial designer. My 2018 iPad Pro carried me through my masters degree and I still use it regularly to do sketches for clients. I must have made thousands of drawings over the years. Nothing is as portable, nice to draw on, while being an incredible screen for in person presentations.
It goes from job to job, I can definitely see it for architecture and hobbies
Although it is not as common in industry, in professional schools I'd say 90% of students are relying on their iPads for at least one part of their workflows. When they eventually go into the industry iPads will absolutely become the mainstream
@@kaifengwu6565I got my start with iPads and have owned an iPad at every tier at this point. So iPad, iPad Air, and now recently iPad Pro 13
As I matured, the software has matured too. The problem is that iPads are going into a field that’s matured around drawing tablets, there’s some stuff now I can’t do on iPads (maybe I can with my Pro, I’m waiting on my pencil), but they’re also in development by way smaller companies.
The thing I love about iPads and why I don’t want macOS to come over is that right now, there’s about to be a ton of competition for Adobe. They don’t have a grip over iPad like they do on other platforms, so now there’s all of these smaller companies that don’t charge a ton able to build up their apps and get a ton of support while doing it. That also helps android tablets become better for professional use since it’s the same there, iPads are just leading the charge.
same am an architect and its the best u can use for interiors, presenting and sketching on site ...the only down side to this is that it is very expensive and never enough space (also very good paired with procreate
I really like this concept of having an actual pro look at the iPads "Pro" features!
Also, the Paperlike really is great. Far better than any cheaper alternative I've tried, and they have great customer support. Good way to support Mac Address if you so happen to be in the market for a tactile screen protector!
Also also, just wanted to say the iPad version of Photoshop sucks ass. I made a request on their forums for a basic alignment tool over half a DECADE ago, it got a lot of traction, and the fuckers at Adobe still haven't implemented it. It doesn't even have a freakin' alignment tool.
Yeah... it's a real shame. A fully featured Photoshop app could become really handy.
@@macaddressother companies manage to do this. Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer are as full featured as their desktop version. The UI is a bit different of course but it really proves that if companies have ambition they can make professional apps that use the iPad power fully.
I switched to a "matte glass screen protector" from Aliexpress, as my paperlike started getting visible marks from the pencil. Glass will probably wear down the pencil nibs, but Aliexpress has replacement ones too :)
@macaddress funnily enough, Photoshop for the Web has alignment features!
@macaddress funnily enough, PS for the Web has alignment features. I use it on my Android tablet since Adobe refuses to develop a native Android PS app.
I'm a concept artist in game dev and film industries. Mainly I use the cintiq 24 when I'm in my office but for the on the go I tried using ipads. I had three ipad pros over the years and they were nice but recently I switched to samsung due to the larger size screen and buttons on the pens and better secondary screen support. For me the killer feature of the samsung is the ability to connect the wacom movink to it and use the pro pen on the go, it's just the best feeling pen for me.
I don't use procreate so I didn't miss it switching from the ipad. If anybody is looking for the photoshop experience on the ipad get Art studio pro, it's as close as it gets imo and I was able to use it for pro work. Currently I'm using clip studio paint on the samsung and it's incredibly capable too.
So depending on what your workflow is ipad might work for you or it might not. I paint more then draw\do line art so I preferer apps like artstudio pro and clipstudio that support the brushes I'm used to.
Hope this helps somebody)
same. iPad is good for starters, but for better, unified workflow I moved to Cintiq/Mac. I'm now prepare for webtoon artist, and since most webtoon use sketchup for background drawings,(which iPad doesn't support) and my iPad's tiny 8gb ram is screaming while I doing multiple pages, I can't help but decide to leave iPad.
13:06 she point out Apple Pencil's jittering problem. not many artist's notices it, but after you find out, that thing really bugs you out. especially if your work is focused on linework like comics, or manga.
She says it’s not a screen protector issue however I found out that it most likely is a screen protector issue since I only noticed it after I applied my paperlike 🤷♂️
@@homecactus Perhaps the screen protector also caused that glitch when she started the strokes. I've never had that issue or any jittering so far, and she didn't complain about it before the screen protector was applied.
@@homecactus it's not the screen protector, it's about the way the pencil is detected and how much granularity can be achieved. EMR technology allows for much better detection than the capacitive grid on the ipad screen.
It definitely has a jitter, but i only noticed it after applying my (usual tempered glass) protector. for my comic ish style and for studying Marvel Comics style, i often thicken my lines with a rough pencil and with multiple passes, fixing with eraser.
(i do not do this as much with my Huion Kamvas)
Its a dealbreaker for me. I'll stick with my wacom tablet.
She is a stunning choice for an artist. She delivered a great argument on the topic and was very poignant. I love her energy when talking about art.
The Wacom art pen got discontinued to due not being able to produce some components, and Wacom Europe has the only remaining stock (sold out everywhere else). Reliable supply for any 14 year old tech product is hard, so hopefully they are able to produce a new pen with barrel rotation within a few years! The art pen works on the cintiq/pro lines which includes the movink (the intuos/one lines aren't compatible)
I'm praying to the tech gods they can re discover this lost ability. Perhaps I should sacrifice some old ipads. Apple know how a new feature can pursued people to overpay for tech.
It’s funny. I study industrial design and we gave to draw a lot of product renders. For the last couple of years, more and more students are beginning to use iPads. Right now it’s 50/50 between iPad and Wacom, where it used to be just Wacom. As they get older and get in the professional field, iPads might become more and more common for professionals
Thats the thing. This video is extremely one sided thanks to the fact that that they brought in ONE artist, who only uses Photoshop, and then stems their opinion against the Procreate setup mainly because they have no experience with it. A complete disregard for the fact that it would have a learning curve to it. At least the sample size could have been increased in terms of artists’ opinion.
Not at all. I'm a professional Industrial designer/concept artist. I still use my wacom intuos tablet everyday day. I have an ipad air and apple pencil but I dont use that much because of small screen.
@@riccia888That's good for you. But not everybody thinks that screen is "small".
@@ThatIceChampion thats not how it works in the real world. There is this thing called conditioning. If you have a cintiq 24 inch at home like me you cant go back to a smaller screen. If you haven’t tried a big cintiq and you only use ipad 13 inch in your whole life that can work too. cintiqs 22 or 24 are for big projects that is why big studios such as Riot games use them. There is no such thing as working in a studio and they give you ipads thats not going to happen.
lol right? I’ve only been in my art class for 1 years but I’ve seen at least 4 people buy ipads like myself…
how did apple screw up their pencils line? it’s so confusing
Greed
They didn't. Huh?
@@AchakBrooks They originally had just Gen 1 and later Gen 2. That lineup was super easy to understand in terms of capabilities and compatibility. Now they replaced them with the USB-C one which was worse in capabilities, and also the Pro one and compability on it is a mess
They should have just given us Gen 3 and made them all fully compatible
Money...
I think from the video itself it’s pretty clear that Apple is hurting themselves by trying not to cannibalise their sales. They won’t give macOS to iPad users and they won’t give touchscreen pen support to Mac users. Imagine if the current iMac had a touch screen and more flexible stand.
why is the MA logo at 0:42 so badly stabilized 😂
It's so bad
I've been mainly an iPad artist working professionally for 4+ years, and recently purchased a large tablet for PC. I have yet to learn it, and I got it for access to more software on windows and being able to do more work, but I have no doubt about the iPad Pro being a very capable piece of hardware.
One thing that I feel like it's important to mention is that there is always a cost to changing hardware. While I appreciate Elizabeth's input, you should also be aware that a lot of artists, even digitally, do things differently, whether that's due to their hardware, habits, or preferences, I feel like the biggest flaw with this video is the lack of perspective from artists who use different software, hardware, even things like seating position and drawing angle matter too. While I appreciate that you have a professional's input for this, there's also some things you really appreciate about the iPad once you really start to get used to it.
I get that this channel comes from a perspective not of digital artists, but as someone who works freelance and does this as my main income, and using an iPad Pro as my main device I've been in a unique position to compare my workflow to others. I'm glad Elizabeth understands that she's not as used to the Procreate software or pencil, both which definitely has some issues, the iPad Pro isn't perfect, but again there's definitely what you're used to, for example, I would not dream of drawing on my iPad without at least a stand that is able to prop my iPad up at an angle, which keeps me from getting fatigued from drawing and allows me to use more of the screen at once, as well as a drawing glove. One unpopular opinion I have is that I personally don't mind drawing on glass at all, I'm very used to the glide. I also think the glob on the screen might be specific to adobe on the iPad. I have not had this issue in Procreate.
Definitely 200% agree with her on the 20 inch iPad. I would buy an iPad Studio type professional product in a heartbeat if it was announced! I never take this thing outside since it's pretty much only for work.
the issue with procreate is that its a program that heavily lacks features compared to other drawing programs. a long with some software limits due to how they load layers(which is why amount of layers are tied to your hardware, something only procreate does). the lack of UI customization also hinders making optimal workflow. lack of keyboard shortcuts also makes it slower, compared to a proper drawing programs.
ipads strength is portability, thats it. there are no other strengths to it. which makes it on par with other high end consumer tablets. i do know some proffesionals who do sketch on it, then draw it on a proffesional drawing tablet. which is great cause it means you can lay down and draw and it will help saving your back. that is if sketches takes some time to draw
@@GoalOrientedLifting Procreate isn't the only application though. I use clip studio paint on my pc, and csp is fully supported on ipad. When I swap between my iPad and my pc there is little to no difference because it's the same application. I agree with freshapplepie, there are different types of artists and different uses. For me I lose 0 functionality from my workflow from pc to ipad. It's all the same EXCEPT the iPad is very easy to move around and travel with. Another piece of software I use is the affinity suite which is also identical to the desktop version.
iPadOS also supports keyboards and the like, and csp has all the shortcuts enabled on their ipad app as they do on pc version, along with a powerful shortcut customization window (and UI customization). For portability you can easily buy something like the huion keydial mini k20 and use it next to the iPad which I'm planning to do. Fully customizable keypad with a dial compatible with support for any major operating systems like macos, windows, android or ipados.
When I've been away my pc, I can just save an in-progress drawing over the internet directly onto my pcs hard drive as a .clip file and continue at my desk with a bigger drawing display. It's all very seamless for me
@@GoalOrientedLifting The iPad has access to more software than procreate. I use clip studio paint. The application is the same on pc and on iPad. UI customization, shortcuts with keyboards and keypads, a big shortcut customization area, it's all there. Clip files saved on iPad can easily be opened on pc, and it also can save directly as a psd file.
I fully agree that with procreate it feels more like a sketching device, but with csp it feels more like using a pc. Personally I use both, csp on pc and on iPad
@@oh-noe i use CSP too, its why the 2 sections are seperated, one about the procreate software, and second one about ipad(i couldve made em more distinct). ipad isnt a bad tool. its good tool for what it does. but it gets touted as the same tool as the proffesional levels wacoms and similar too often and proffesional work seemed to be boxed in the same box way too much. even though theres a huge spectrum of whats considered proffesional work.
@@GoalOrientedLifting A lot of the UI is hidden to save space, Procreate is very powerful for what it is and while I agree the hardware is the main limitation for layer count, most digital illustration work won't going to hit the limit for the amount of tools there are available, the iPad's strength is in it's touch gestures for Procreate which are very customizable, on the surface Procreate looks very simple, but if you go through the handbook you'll see there's a lot of thoughtful design that goes into the available tools and such.
Procreate is definitely not without it's problems, the two biggest issues for me is the layer count and actually getting procreate files off the dang thing, but having used it for years, there's a huge advantage to using both hands on screen because most of the keyboard shortcuts that you'd use on other tablets are just multitouch instead, two finger tap to undo, three finger tap to redo, brush size you can just adjust with left hand, there's of course a cost to switching as I've said, especially if you're used to the keyboard, but you can definitely get used this
I am a bit biased, but this has been my only job for the past 5 years, and the iPad Pro has been my main device. One of the biggest advantages is I still believe the iPad Pro has the best pen tech out there, at least in terms of lag and responsiveness, and I've tried some pretty high-end PC tablet displays including the one I recently bought
Art includes a very broad spectrum of media and technique. Some can be very technical and unlikely to use much expression in the brush, while others can be 'naturalistic' and rely on a lot of expression as you apply media. Brushes in most applications are defined based on their real world counterpoints. A brush that typically doesn't use tilt in practice won't have tilt in digital media; ones that do (say, a pencil) will already have it turned on and adjusted. Elizabeth does a fairly technical style of art for her work. A concept artist, for instance, might use more expressive brushes. There are brands that compete favourably with Wacom these days, while the iPad, though good, is limited by its OS.
It has been a long time where companies slap on the word "pro" but most of the pros don't use that product for their work. But love seeing the comparison between the what apple has to offer vs what they're trying to achieve.
My girlfriend is a professional photo editor and graphic designer, some time ago she got a iPad but get ready annoyed by how different IOS is, return the iPad and go back to her wacom on Windows
But at the same time, my ant who is a professional illustrator love her iPad, she say she really enjoy how it is very simple, just like drawing with pen and paper
So I think it is just personal preference
With that said, in many school and professional environment, wacom is just the standard, you don't even have to pay for it, I been to my girlfriend's art school and the classroom are equip with wacom. When she started working every place she work at just come with a wacom
So she been working with wacom all her career but never have to pay for one
This video pissed me off when it started with a blanket statement that pros don't use iPads. But they do. Not all pros do, but many do. I mean literally one of Jonathan's coworkers at LTT uses her iPad for all her drawings and designs. Sucha bad take to start off the video
@@neobow1it's exaggerated but the majority doesn't use iPads.
Like with a lot of computer stuff. IT professionals don't own personal licenses for server programs, they just work with them. Data analysts are given workstations with Threadrippers, they're not expected to supply that hardware themselves.
This was great to watch because you can see a true professional break down exactly where the friction is.
The mobile versions of apps are just way different from full OS versions.
They also need to work on SideCar to iron out those bugs.
In my experience I notice that the video signal has some bitrate issues when trying to use the iPad as a reference monitor, even when using a Thunderbolt cable.
I love how Jonathan sounds so disappointed while taking about the customizability of the pen at 3:22
3:28 "so how did you customize the p̸͉͚̙͐͋͂̕͝ȩ̵͔̖̗̣̥̑̈́͌n̵̡͖̻̺̭̮͇͍̟̓͊̌́͝c̵̝̺̫̆̓i̶̛͉̦̙͇̫̟̮̘̪͑̿̈̂l̴̙̘͚͒̍͋͆?"
im a professional artist too so ive been waiting for a ep like this comparing ipad to wacom!
but tbh I feel like u should bring in someone that uses the iPad more next time. i know tons of artist in and out of work, at companies and as freelancers that use the iPad professionally and exclusively. so idk maybe u don't know enough artists yet xD
I personally also use Ipad professionally without many problems
I feel using iPad or not is mainly about taste and usecase.
that's what I've gathered from most artists. some like the feel of the apple pencil more some don't. some like the features of procreate more some value the simplicity and gesture workflow of procreate. so the feature differences don't actually matter that much as long as there is good pressure sensitivity.
to the usecase. there are just some jobs that are easier to do or only possible in photoshop on PC than on iPad. a 3d centric workflow where u switch between 3d program and painting program a lot is a much easier to do on PC. since there are more 3d apps and the automatic file update feature helps a lot. this feature makes working on one file on a server also much more easier which could be a studio requirement. any kind of design work with vectors, smartobjects, filters, color adjustment layers. all features that are better done in photoshop bc of its huge library of nondestructive adjustment methods. same goes for if u do photobashing. the image importing and lasso tool in ps is a lot nice to work with for this use case in my experience. in general do I see more realistic type of art coming from ppl that use PCs instead of ipads.
if u however want to just concentrate on painting only. work mainly on few layers want to work on the go than an iPad works great. everything rough that doesn't neet to be 100% perfect for a finished product is great on the iPad. so sketching and concepting. in general if u work on one project/painting after another alone and not in a team, don't need to share ps files that often there isn't much the iPad lacks behind.
coming back to the taste point. i still know many that refuse pen displays entirely and work on old wacom graphictablets without display. many prefer the comfort of that and the ergonomic advantages of not having to look down all the time.
fact is u can do the same work on all of these to the same level. some workflows just work better on one lover the other.
but coming now to the real differentiator, why iPad still lacks behind and isn't as useful professionally.
it has mainly to do with ipados (yes again). the filesystem still sucks and the sandbox app system wont allow for many standard workflows that are common on PC and mac. synchronizing any files with other ppl u work with (that might not have a mac and airdrop) is a pain in the ass. and that's usually a huge advantage on PC. 3d apps also still aren't there yet and I don't see them ever be as good bc apple refuses to just let us use mouse and keyboard without touch interface. same for animation. still not there yet.
the sandbox system also makes it difficult to share a single file between these programs.
In general not bein able to use PC apps is an obvious disadvantage
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For hardware: only a few things that could be improved but what appl prob will never do
a thicker pencil with normal clicky buttons is just better. yes squeeze is better than nothing but nothing beats a button. bigger ipads. an iPad with a stand or vesa mounting points.
In conclusion.: there are lots of artist using iPad professionally. tho most also need to use a PC in addition to it. if even just for sharing files. some also use both for their individual strengths.
its mainly just taste
IpadOS still sucks tho and makes it impossible to use for some specific workflows.
Quality apps are everything
Wacom and photoshop is not perfect either but the have been the standard for so long that many are just used to it.
As a Professional I switched a few years ago from Photoshop with a mid-sized Wacom tablet, to iPad and Procreate. I don't have the new iPads with the Pro pencil, but I haven't missed Photoshop at all.
and I do use a PaperLike overlay.
Haven't seen it yet, but as an animator, apple is a complete non option for me. there's zero software for ipads/ tablets that's anywhere near what you need for real projects ^_^; i use a screenless tablet which you can get for like $130 and that's the larger size they offer!
Also, as an illustrator & animator & designer, I much prefer screenless over screen tablets; it saves my neck from having to hunch over, and once I got over the initial hand-eye coordination bit, I don't even think about it when I draw anymore :o) The other thing is that CSP (very common art program for illustrators who don't want to use Photoshop) is a subscription on an Ipad and only a single time purchase on computer loool
I've tried to Sidecar things (maybe it's better now?) and it's always been so laggy that brushstrokes come out janky
I mean you don't have to hunch over if you have a stand
I used to have a Wacom intuos, big one, I miss it. Nothing really compares to that comfort and compatibility that I’ve tried. I got a budget monitor tablet and the resolution is pretty bad, but I can’t afford a professional monitor tablet.
Really, Procreate dreams is great, no? I'd love a 27" ipad screen.
@@Muxeroth Based hahaha I used one with a stand when I was doing some gamedev stuff a bit ago and I still felt like I was shrimping but maybe just skill issue? ^_^
@@AchakBrooks Ooooo, kind of a meh from me- I'm not a professional but I work with some animators in a little collective and I've heard some pretty mixed things, I think it can be super great in the future but the selection stuff is apparently really unfun to work with (which also makes transforming / resizing things unfun)
Toonsquid seems like the best option rn, but I use Opentoonz since it's fully featured and free! Only on computer though, not for tablets or phones
Wacom drawing tablets were my only option until about three years ago when I started using the iPad Pro with the newer Apple Pencil. With my work ranging from full illustrations to simple sketches, I've found Adobe Fresco on the iPad to be incredibly handy for on-the-go creativity. However, I still need to switch to my laptop to finish some pieces. Even with that, I’ve come to love the iPad for its versatility and portability
There's undoubtably a tremendous amount of effort required to get a shoot done with a third-party guest so heavily involved, so big kudos to you for that. However, it would be great if you could cover professional use cases more often using real-world professionals. LTT did a video a while back where they mimicked Linus Torvalds' PC build. In there, Linus (Sebastian) remarked "we've never really covered a developer's use case, so here you go" as though that was all developers squared away in terms of coverage, which of course isn't the case (and I'm sure Linus wasn't suggesting so in reality).
For example, my development stack is full-stack web development with cross-platform app development. I'm using Apple hardware for my development and wouldn't have it any other way. It would be great if a future Mac Address could maybe delve into Apple products for those types of professionals. Floatplane developers might be a good sample for this, which would reduce the complexity of the shoot due to them being internal.
Oh yeah, that would be amazing!
This must be the best review of this kind I ever saw… thanks MA for this great work!
It’s really more about whether the software you need is well optimized for your workflow. You just adapt and compromise with everything else.
I use an iPad for drawing digital portraits in procreate. But work in physical oil paints for most of my work, now I want to try a Wacom Cintiq again after donating my old one many years ago!
12:05 Oh my gosh the blob at the beginning or end of a stroke where the pencil thinks the pressure sensitivity got weird because it’s not actually touching the screen but it’s not far enough above to realize it’s hovering is so annoying. Apple needs to tune the pencil
But how is this not an absolute no go? They seem to avoid adressing it as a bigger problem
I’ve had to say this multiple times in the comments already but I’m actually quite sure this is an issue with the screen protector. I only noticed that issue on mine after I applied the paperlike
@@SpaceShrimp-rk4rt This isn't a no-go because it doesn't happen on an unmodified iPad. It's because of the screen protector they added. Note how she didn't have this issue before they added the protector. If that issue was common it would be criticized in every single review.
The blob is an issue using Photoshop on MacOS through Sidecar with the iPad. There is no blob in native iPasOS apps.
Hm… I’m having the issue in some native iPadOS apps (ex. Affinity Designer 1) but that could be because it’s an out of date application. Makes sense that it was mostly experiences over sidecar though!
Thank you for making this video. As a Samsung Tab user, I hope every day that the next tablet just full on supports a wacom propen 4 that has roll support. It's crazy that we have 3 good options and all of them have significant compromises.
I’m not a professional artist but I’ve been doing art for a decade. I’ve had a cintiq 13HD, now on the Cintiq 16. I got my first iPad in 2019, the iPad Air 3 and recently upgraded to the iPad Pro m2 model this year.
For me the iPad is mostly my travelling art companion, with Dropbox I can work pretty much any of my projects anywhere. It’s awesome!
Still though when I’m at home I just wanna use my cintiq over the iPad, Why? I just like the feel of my cintiq and the Wacom pen. It's a bit hard for me to explain but the Wacom pen feels better to me, the Apple Pencil is no slouch though but there was a curve in my experience getting use to drawing with the Apple Pencil and iPad. Though this is just likely preference.
Also I’m using windows, I can customise to my hearts content, that’s not possible on the iPad. As this video shows, because applications aren’t the same as their pc counterparts it makes it difficult to invest in those apps. This is why my main app of choice is Clip Studio Paint on desktop and iPad as both applications are the same. It makes it a lot easier to invest time and use both and move back and forth when both applications behave and even look the same because you know what you’re walking into. For professionals that also makes it easier to jump right in and get on with work.
Overall, iPads good, it’s got great tools and it was worth spending nearly £1400 on my iPad Pro for the bigger screen. 🙂
Thanks. Having someone that has used both sets of tools extensively is a much stronger point of comparison than someone who was just shown a new tool and expected to be a direct comparison to a long standing alternative daily tool.
I'm curious - have you been using the new Pencil Pro? with the barrel roll and hover?
I quite enjoy the v2 Pencil, but I'm no pro artist, just sketching, diagrams, and hand writing notes.
@@RyanCrossOfficial I own the M2 model and an older magnetic apple pencil. Due to sudden circumstances earlier this year (before the release of the newest iPads) I was given the option to get an M2 iPad and I took the leap.
So I've got the hover feature which coming from an older iPad I didn't realise how much I needed that. It's really helpful to be able to know where your cursor is and what shape the brush is before doing anything, before it was slap it down and see what it does. Whereas on my Cintiq, I've always had the cursor so it was easier to gauge what I was doing and what tool was active.
I've had a chance to try the newest pencil in an apple store on Procreate and I do like it a lot, I haven't had a chance to try it in Clip Studio Paint. The barrel roll would be helpful and the squeeze would be great. I can see myself using both.
If it had been possible to buy this pencil seperately for older models, I'd have bought it in that moment, in the store. Literally I was Fry from futurama in that moment. "Take my money!"
Thing is though I do not want to upgrade everything just for a pencil. So for now I'm sticking with what I've got and honestly it does the job really well. Hopefully that answers your question.
@@unorthodoxbox thanks. I was just trying to clarify your experience, but you've added extra details that also add depth.
I am a 30+ years designer, I still cant stand the Apple surface (even after adding a paper-like film. The pencil needs for me clear buttons, not squeezy, squishy, twisty actions.
Cintiques have the eraser on the back, which is just the most natural thing ever.
The Eraser thing is such a no brainer tbh, even as someone who has used a Apple Pencil for awhile to do edits (I render Source Filmmaker artwork then do post-edits to clean things up) it just seemed like a no brainer that Apple doesn't acknowledge.
I think a bigger issue for me is iPadOS though, because I have to transfer the rendered image over to the iPad, when with just a Wacom tablet, all the files are on the computer already that did the first render and doesn't have it's own ""computer"" to deal with, so it removes a unneeded step.
@@Nova2127U I suppose its related to Wacom having a petent on it and Apple not ;)
The older Cintiq pens at least. Some newer ones don't.
The eraser thing was never and issue and now even less so when you can just set the eraser to switch with the squeeze gesture which is much faster than flipping the pencil around.
Gestures are also much more intuitive than keyboard shortcuts or even unmarked customizable buttons
@@chidorirasenganz I strongly disagree with gestures being the way to go because they can get in the way for some artists like the one shown in the video, that has happened even for me when I used the 2nd Gen Pencil.
The eraser being at the top isn't a necessity, just it would be a QoL feature to make the usage more simple and easy to understand than having to fiddle with finicky touch controls that may or may not do what you want it to do.
As a professional illustrator, although we have screen displays at our office, the ipad has been my main drawing tool for the last 5 years. Once you get used to glass surface, everything else is great. The thing is that Procreate and even Fresco are way better to simply draw. Photoshop is what I use to finish up art. Also vector drawing in Illustrator for Ipad is great.
I don't do art and seldom use my Apple Stylus, but I can recommend getting a screen protector with the same film to give it a paper texture for regular use. There are plenty of them out there using the exact same material, but they don't cost $45-80.
I've used an intuos xl for well over a decade for work everyday. I don't have to give up desk space like a cintiq and most importantly, it's way more ergonomic. Which is critical when it's 10 hours a day, every day for decades
This is turning into the most honest Apple-related channel on TH-cam, one way or the other.
Love that you brought in a professional. Would love more of these videos
That finished art is so stunning holy cow!!
Great insight, I love how this channel is constantly pursuing specific topics and usd case scenarios
The production values for this channel are so good. Mad respect.
I’ve been using Wacom tablets for a very long time and my last version was an Intuos. The Cintiq wouldn’ve been quite the overkill for me since I mostly work with vector graphics nowadays. I also have been tinkering around with the Apple iPad and it’s series 2 version pencil and it was fine for my use case. Drawing has been fun on the iPad. I recently updated to a M2 because the pencil worked just fine and I didn’t feel upgrading the whole package since it didn’t feel necessary to go for the latest and greatest to me. The m2 is quite the powerhouse compared to the 2018 model.
I’m actually interested in updating my wacom tablet though..😊
I love how curious you are! Also, weirdly glad about how you brought in someone who isnt a tec freak. Makes the artist’s view more grounded, but also gives more weight to her initial thoughts/first impressions. As a hobby artist I prefer the iPad Pro, but would without doubt invest in a Wacom for professional work.
A popular ipad app developer here. FYI these screen protectors ruin precision of the reported pencil points to the software, making them wavy. Any additional thickness on top of the screen does that. Line smoothing could reduce this effect but the original info the app gets is still trash. But my artists still use paperlike and love it.
Also I absolutely don't agree that pro artists don't use ipad, that's just false. There are lots commercially successful ipad artists even on TH-cam. And in my company we have lots of them too.
Agreed I know tons of people working on iPad, lots of people from hobbyist to freelancers in many different fields too. I found that a wierd statement to say at the start of the video.
I have met a lot of artists using iPads including my sister so it is definitely a lie that iPads are not used professionally,maybe she isn’t ,doesn’t mean every other professional don’t too.
Yeah and lots of vfx TH-camrs use blender and after effects but if you want to win an emmy you work in Nuke.
Hobby grade =/= professional
Lol, pro as in people who work with large studios in established industries in animation and design, not freelancers or youtube famous creators.
This is like saying professional movie editors were all using adobe premiere suites jn the early 2000s, no. Most of the industry standard was AVID until the early 2010s when premiere became the tool of choice for newer editors in the industry. iPad OS is severely limiting and a large chunk of animation industry professionals that have to work across teams use full fledged PCs and drawing tablets
@@xelaander8429this is the fact
This is a good video I like the fact you have an external professional who knows what they are doing with a clear and important opinion.
I love my m1 iPad Pro and Apple Pencil for its portability. It’s great for sketching and the early stages of a project. The UI has been optimized to be easy to work with on the go. Where it fails for me is large complex images when working in a non destructive way. For large projects it is just nice to have keyboard shortcuts, macros, no limitations layers, and a vesa mount to promote proper posture. I like to work with a lot of layers so the iPad doesn’t work for me for complex paintings and illustrations. The iPad is a great tool to enhance the design workflow, but it just can’t replace a solid stationary rig imo.
Looking at the finished work at the end full screen really surprised me. Nice work!
I've been a MS surface user for 10 years now.
I've tried all the first party pens, and many 3rd party ones.
But still to this day my favourite is the Bamboo one. Everything just felt right on it from the first use.
I still miss it, and secretly hope they'll bring out a new model for the new MPP version.
The video was awesome!
Finally I see a professional artist and a great comparison. Thanks for showing people what a PRO is.
I love how this video really dives into what pros actually think! It's so true that tools need to match the quality of the work, not just have cool features. Like, I'm all for the new Apple Pencil Pro but if it can’t measure up to the Wacom vibe, what's the point? 🎨✨
Wacom intous pro has pen tilt. I never use it though. As she said, just use a different brush, size and flow.
As a freelancer, I use the iPad Pro ( 2022 model ) and my sketchbook on the go. Sometimes I use it professionally and use my Xencelabs tablet for other projects for granular control/editing especially page layout work. I absolutely agree that the iPad needs to go at least 16-20 inches to be considering 'studio' level work because 12.9 inch screen size ain't cutting it no matter how hard Apple hypes it up. Nor would I ever, EVER use Sidecar as a 'poor man's' Cintiq because the text looks smaller on it especially when the main desktop monitor goes between 2k-4K resolution for output. This is where, I think, Apple dropped the ball big time in getting a bigger iPad Pro out for creative professionals and remove the rear cameras so that the back lays flat entirely on surface. Keep the device focused and restricted to certain iOS apps without the games, etc for distraction free work. Also, 16-20 inches for the iPad makes a lot of sense when doing page layout work even when doing double page spreads otherwise the desktop is king for this reason.
I’m surprised a lot of ppl don’t know but u could also get a custom pencil tip with the Apple Pencil.
The ailun metal one is good added w a paperlike screen protector. It feels really good and the closest like paper. Plus the sound is so satisfying when writing or drawing.
The Paperlike gel gets pretty cloudy in a half year and it shows a lot of scratches from the pen.
When I removed it, it took the coatings of my iPad screen with it.
This is significant, because before having the gel on, I could wipe the screen down easily and it would be super clean and after the gel, it just won’t clean unless I really polish it or use soap.
I would not use one again.
Yeah its doable to work with ipad if its only drawing, but if its animation there isn’t really any software good enough
I think way too many younger artists think the iPad just has the best pen and everything.
As much as the Apple Pencil costs, the whole package is the budget and portable option. You want it because you get a lot for what you pay for, and you want it because it's portable, and you want it as a fun toy in general, and you want it because it's an iPad (a great screen, iOS, good Netflix experience, good for reading and typing and scrolling, etc).
For some high-precision art applications, it doesn't beat even a 16" Cintiq, because of the quality and accuracy of the pen. This isn't just a "the old thing was better" sentiment, there's a lot of professionals who tried to switch to iPad because of its portability benefits, and just based on the quality of the pencil, they couldn't switch. Some artists do, depending on their style, usually the ones who either don't care about the wobble or just prioritize the feeling of portability a lot more, and they love the iPad and never went back to desktop. But a lot professionals also just can't.
An old 200$ Cintiq off eBay is literally 10 times better than a 1000$ iPad. Wacom is the king of electromagnetic induction pens for a reason.
Actually it’s well known that the iPad is superior. You can look at channels like Brad Colbow for further details. It terms of accuracy and responsiveness and software the iPad. I can also speak from personal experience as someone who has used a cintiq and a surface pro. The only people sticking with the old stuff are people used to older ways of working
@@PharanBrush it’s subjective at this point. I think Wacom is living too much on its legacy, and a certain age of people just used to working on drawing apps with heavy menus and a lot of hot keys. And that will never work on a small 13” screen only device.
I’m probably older than you, and you reminds me when my art teacher got angry for us using a mechanical pencil to draw. I remember my art teacher saying no job will allow this. My first full time job was clean up and inbetween artist at Disney and we used a mechanical pencil.
Now at work today I don’t think an iPad will ever be introduced to a studio system. Studios would love to save money, but the apps and filing system on an iPad will never fit in.
For freelancing there is no reason you couldn’t use an iPad. I’ve done some TV commercials on an iPad. Not a full production, just some elements. There is a Pizza Hut commercial in China that has fish done in procreate, another one with musical instruments animated in RoughAnimator and I’ve done a KFC campaign where the cartoon Chicken was done in Callipeg.
These are different devices and no one should argue that you like Wacom better, but there is too many amazing works done on iPads (and Samsung Galaxy tabs that use cheaper Wacom tech) for people to dismiss the fact for some people these newer devices and software just works better.
@@notbfg9000 How good will it be for gaming?
@@CanIHasThisName It's an input device for drawing. You can use a gaming laptop. Or a Macbook (lmao Apple gaming).
Thanks for asking and featuring artists.
I am a digital artist as a hobby, I’ve been using procreate on in iPad Pro m1 12 inch with Apple Pencil for several years now, but recently fell in love with CSP for the brushes and how colors mixed and worked together a lot better imo. Since it’s a subscription on iPad though, I’ll probably be transitioning to working on my desktop with my cheap graphics tablet til I can afford a nice display tablet. It seems iPad is really great to start with, but if you wanna be like the pros, you still will want to use some kind of desktop tablet setup.
Tried adobe fresco? That has good colour blending and watercolour/wet media
So, I use an iPad daily for my design work. I used to be Cintiq only, and so I put a paperlike screen protector on right away. I found 2 major flaws : it eats nibs ( I had to buy replacement packs regularly) and the screen clarity that is great on an iPad was totally gone. No matter how nice the protector is, it is putting a layer between you and the screen.
I bet, if you gave the iPad and a challenge of use it for a month, most would switch. I can sketch in my yard, on the couch, create CAD models on a plane, and then I have my iPad with all the content it is great for. I would never go back to being stuck at a desk for creative work, it’s antithesis to that process for me.
I know quite a few people working in feature and show animation. Most if not all of them use the ipad and procreate as their primary device (often with paperfeel screen protectors) and then do other steps on a wacom in photoshop
what a well produced video Jeezus. Kudos to everyone involved
This video finally validated that 'blob' issue at the start of strokes in some apps.. I always thought I was the only one with that issue. It does get pretty irritating after a while.
One of the BEST drawing tablet videos I’ve seen so far, I think you should compare the iPad Pro with the Samsung tab ultra with the Wacom one gen 1 pen, and a screen protector, on clip studio (since it’s a program that works on both devices) I think the pressure sensitivity and the line quality on the tab ultra it’s better, but the iPad it’s better for painting since it has better color accuracy and the new barrel rotation that the old Wacom art pen used to have
As a Cintiq 27QHD user I've been on the chase for a portable drawing tablet, The iPad I found way too slippery, but I found the Samsung Galaxy S tablets to be way better for my personal use case. Surprsingly Elizabeth's use case is somewhat similar to mine, a lot of those functions are not really needed, pressure is what matters.
This video is heavily biased. There are way many drawing tablet brands out there that are more affordable and better than this. Both Apple and Wacom are overpriced af.
@koyodraka Yes there are many cheaper alternatives out there and all valid options for artists in their use case and it is good there options to fit their budget and needs. but this video is a comparison of the iPad to the industry standard. You will rarely find any major studio film, game, graphic, industrial etc without a Wacom tablet in front of them.
Some drawing programs have a feature that basically does barrel roll automatically, by detecting what direction you're moving in and always angling the brush perpendicularly to it. I feel like I'd get more use out of that than having to rotate manually.
you can upgrade your pc with Cintiq, it has bigger screens, it give you more pen variations, and it didn't jittering like Apple Pencil while drawing certain angled line.
I know the Pixel Tab doesn't compare, but it does have a nice 3rd party paper-like film that instead of being a permanent screen protector, can be taken on and off freely. If you can get your hands on something like that for the iPad, HIGHLY recommend. Paper-like screen protectors feel great, but tend to wash out colors, so being able to easily take em off when consuming content is really nice.
I actually just discovered that my drawing tablet has tilt support recently. I was trying to use it, but I soon realized that the tilt isn't doing me any favors. It's challenging to control the pressure when you are tilted, and it's also hard to make sure you are on the right direction for tilting. Maybe it can be useful if I grew up with that technology and developed my techniques with it, but as someone didn't have that when I started, it's not very useful to me.
Same for me. I was really excited when I got tilt with my cintiq and I soon realized I have more controll with pressure sensitivity
I use an iPad and I don't like the tilt either. It feels awkward, and if I by mistake held my pen a little to slanted it starts modifying my brush in ways I don't want. I just keep it off
More professional guests please - the application of tech to how working professionals use them is an awesome content -approach :)
Never expected this from Mac Address. Love the video, from an artist.
Great job on this Johnathon. I love the way your videos seem to have a bit of thought to the way they flow.
Have used both. I to use chisel tip markers for my work. Consequently a 3500 dollar art tool such as the Cintiq that has no barrel roll was super frustrating. I love the Apple Pencil for this reason. Now, what Apple needs to make is a pressure sensitive 27” Mac monitor. But they don’t.
One of the better ads I have seen in a wile. I wonder how long I will have the 2nd slip of paper like before I find a thing to use it on? Also thanks for the vid
I got into digital drawing and painting not too long ago, but have been drawing my whole life and have used Cintiq, Wacom, iOS and Android.
Eventually I went for the Android experience mostly because of platform bias and got myself a Samsung Tab S9 Ultra, but I can assure anyone that the Cintiq experience with Photoshop (or CSP, Fresco, etc) is just incredibly superior.
The only thing I do see myself using is the tilt real time preview, though it's still a gimmick because it takes a really short time to get used to the tilt function when drawing digitally.
So yeah, like others have said, the term "pro" is used very loosely, as it always has been.
One thing I don't like about Procreate is the transform tool is just inferior to CSP for example, minor resizing always makes things blurry, you have to fiddle with the scaling method etc, I hope they improve that one day
Professionals use both. There's a lot of factors involved in choosing what device you use and iPads and Cintiqs aren't the only choices either.
I agree, this video is kind of shallow on that aspect. Not to mention both Wacom and Apple are overpriced. There are many alternatives out there that are way more affordable. Don't waste money on Apple and Wacom.
Agreeing with her in most, as an artist. And specially in that for many artists, the canvas and display size is an essential factor. I'd consider quite more the possibility of buying a 20" iPad (but scared to think of the price tag). Also, I still prefer two (or three) buttons programmable to specific actions (specially picking color (the workflow of leaving the tip for a second to pick color is not for everyone), undoing, etc) than a squeezing that brings up icons to screen, that seems one step slower and more distracting. When painting, focus is everything, at least for some of us. Kudos though to Apple for getting those great results in color accuracy in the new iPad Pro. But Again, we (or a few of us) need more than 13" screens. I sketch outside in a Samsung S7 FE (or in an old trusty traditional notebook, or even the Amazon Scribe). So, I don't deny the value of small tablets.
the size is prob gonna be the big deciding factor for some artists cause u even w the largest size ipad its still not as big as the biggest size cintique
but the younger generation are prefering the ipad.
i find it as something thats good to have when u wanna travel or u dont have a permanent desk to art on
It is good enough. Ive had coworkers who worked on iPad Pro almost exclusively. It's usually just a matter of being able to export your file into something the rest of the team can use (primarily PSDs).
Besides, you'd be surprised at how many artists switch to using the drawing tablets without a screen for ergonomic reasons.
I’m not nearly as good as the creator you used in the video, but what I personally do is use the new iPad Pro for professional illustrations and comps, and I’m subscribed to Shadow PC. This way I can use the best screen in the world for creating and I’m not held back by the software on the iPad. It costs $20/mo for Shadow but I find that combo on the iPad Pro fucking impossible to beat tbh. If you’re interested maybe make a video on this use case.
I use the Razer Naga V2 Hyperspeed with it in Bluetooth mode, because annoyingly the new Magic Keyboard doesn’t work on Shadow PC for some reason. Shadow says it’s because Apple locks things down, which doesn’t surprise me. Still yet I haven’t seen one person mention using the advantages of the iPad Pro tandem oled in the cloud computing context.
I'm a professional illustrator and i love apple pencil and ipad pro, i mainly make picture book and i know lots of artist swear by it, the pencil is one of the best, ipad performance is good enough and you can work anywhere with it. for illustrator in animation industry it is a bit different, photoshop and wacom is still the standard, it's reliable for studio workflow.
i'd say if you want to work in animation industry like her get a decent pc or mac with pen display like wacom, for picture book illustration and many more field, ipad pro is actually a good and much more convenient. every artist has different workflow tho so it's good to try different device if you can and see which one suits you better. cheers
I use both the Apple Pencil pro with the iPad Pro as well as a Wacom contiq in my work. The Apple Pencil is fantastic, but it’s got 2 major flaws: the short battery life and the fact that it’s locked to the iPad. Being able to use it on a larger screen tablet would be fantastic and having a lot more professional software options to use with it would make it a lot more easy to justify.
My Uncle who’s a professional illustrator uses the iPad. He recently finally retired his cintiq to fully switch to his iPad.
I absolutely love the more story based approach of Mac address. Great job as always.
Great take on a neat subject and also love seeing new guest appearances!
As a digital artist and animator, I have never had the desire to use an iPad for professional work. I’ve used Wacom’s tablets for years, including my 27 inch Cintiq which is near perfection. Fancy features the iPad and Apple Pencil have are neat but not practical at all for a professional. I like the feel and customizability of the Wacom stylus. Pressure sensitivity is really the only thing we need along with super accurate and smooth tracking with zero latency. I love the size of my Cintiq with its wide margins for my arms to rest on and my keyboard to sit. Comfort while working is very important and I can’t imagine hunching over a tiny iPad craning my neck when trying to animate.
I use an iPad professionally, though I'm swapping files into Photoshop and Illustrator on desktop quite often. I was converted by another professional artist who used the iPad and immediately fell in love with the feel of drawing on it. That's all down to personal taste though. Wacom feels too mushy to me now. A drawing glove is a necessity though.
iPad OS is the biggest problem. Also I'd really like an XL size of some sort. Other minor quibbles with the pencil I can get over. Tilt and roll haven't been "must haves" in my workflow. I haven't tried the new pencil, so I don't know about the squeeze, but I hated the double-tap and turned that off immediately.
Side note, if you're getting "globs" on your brush stroke, you'll want to look at adjusting your pressure curve in the settings.
In regards to the pressure curve, is that a device or Photoshop setting?
@@macaddress You know, I think when I made that comment I didn't put it together that the glob issue was happening just through Sidecar. I don't think there's a way to adjust the pressure curve for that as far as I can tell. That's something that Apple should really get on if they have any interest in artists taking it seriously.
Probably not really helpful for that issue, but if it comes up when not using Sidecar: for any iPad art app, the pressure curve is in the app settings. For a Wacom on Mac, the pressure curve is in the control panel in System Settings. I'd guess it's the same for Wacom competitors like Huion.
I've gotten globs on both platforms, so personally I like to set it so that it requires slightly more pressure than normal to start drawing. I also start the curve at a low angle because if find I want more precise control when making lighter strokes. Seems to do the trick for me.
I work as a designer and I use a cintiq for work. I like that it is compatible with vesa, so I mounted it on an arm and I can draw comfortably standing and sitting, I tried using an ipad for a week and the apps kinda sucked (at the time there was no version of photoshop on ipad, illustrator is really different + there is no blender on it) and I didn't like the ergonomics of it + no keyboard shortcuts are a deal breaker for me.
Wonderful background in the outro! Props, Elizabeth. :)
Great work, JH and LMG.
I bought a pro pencil with my 11" m4. This was my first iPad. I am not a creative at all but I got sucked in to some of the coloring apps. I sort of regret spending the money on the pro pencil but I keep thinking one day I'll find a use for it. Maybe my kids can practice their handwriting with it?
13:19 sensitivity is adjustable in settings btw
Tilt has been in Wacom Tablets since the 3rd gen i believe. It had it when i was working with my wacom 3rd gen in 2007. I never use it though. I've never had to configure it to use it either. Its built in.
I love this kind of content. Really cool to pull in industry pros that use this stuff.
You should use a MAT tempered glass screen protector (or buy a nano textured screen version of iPad) if you want the feeling of Cintiq, because that's what Wacom applies to their screens.
I really enjoyed having someone compltely outside of the LMG team to test things and make comparisons. Not that I have anything against the LMG team, but after watching all the videos for years, it's nice to see other professionals. Hope we get this in future videos as well.
What’s the pressure sensitivity of the new Apple Pencil Pro? Maybe software is better on Cintiq?
Man, Jonathan and MAC address can make anything fascinating and so pleasant to watch. I'd watch a MA video about loading the dishwasher.
Not directly art related but for work i need to use Microsoft's suite (office, sharepoint, teams, etc...) and those apps are severely cutdown to the point of uselessness. Only Teams is usable, the rest i use on Windows desktop.
Such a good concept for a piece, well done!
Btw I still got a wacom pencil from 2001 that i only had to change the tip every year or so. And I never ever had to charge it or to change the battery. You don't need any battery or to charge your pen ever. And my phone pen works on my wacom and on my tablets and I never had to charge it.
I actually know quite a few artists who use the Apple Pencil even at work! Though mostly the ones that do freelancing - if you’re doing work in a studio, the portability and being able to work while sitting on the couch become much less useful compared to just sheer size. Most use either procreate or connect to their pc, usually through duet I think? Supposedly the latency and quality is significantly better, at least on the iPads with USB 3.0 support. The biggest difference for me personally was the lack of hover by default, it feels weird without it
I’m thinking the glitch is from the screen protector. I’d like to hear her thoughts on the nano texture glass with no screen protector; and if there aren’t any “globs”.