Woman Who Stabbed Attacker is Falsely Convicted of Murder | Kirstin Lobato Case Analysis
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Best advice ever: Never talk to the police. Their job is not to advocate for you. Thanks for covering this Dr. Grande.
Their job is to fill all the private prisons with the maximum amount of people possible.
FACT.
Some of the best free advice ever
And never take a polygraph!!
She told everyone she killed a man, they talked to the police
40 - 100 years was the original sentence for killing a man who apparently raped women and was a drug dealer. I don’t understand sentencing.
Vigilante justice is not welcomed by the State.
I don't think sentencing depends on what sort of person the victim was, does it?
Yeah I just learned about a case where a 23 year old mother murdered her 2 year old child and dumped her body down a sewage pipe. She got TWENTY YEARS.
How is that guy's life worth 100 years of hers. Unbelievable.
@@eadweard. Actually it often does. Victim impact statements are taken into consideration by the judge when sentencing.
The only thing that she should have said to the police was, “I want a lawyer!”.
It’s your right. Use it!
The cops love it when you chat freely with them. Whats the worst that can happen?
They view you as the enemy if you want a lawyer right away, your not helping them.
@@bradsanders6954I hope this was sarcasm
Yeah, she was a turd. But the guy was a complete shitbag and loss to no one.
Agreed!
Best advice ever to people under arrest from “Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets” - the police are not your friends.
The best advice I've heard is : If your guilty , you need a lawyer . If your innocent , you REALLY need a lawyer .
Here’s some more advice:
You + are = you’re
@@CankleCanklethis isn't 2005 anymore, it's not funny or cool to be a grammar n@zi, so shut up and mind you're own business
Exactly because you can unwillingly collebarate some little fact here or there and BAM you r fuxked
Clothing challenged dancer is wild
You're *
"She was a clothing challenged dancer...just trying to implement a member separation agreement" 😂 I love Dr. Grande
I wonder is she servied time in a " penal " colony ?
Of course you do. What if it was a member of your family. Murder and Mutilation has no place for humour.
@@johndean958 There's jokes on every video regardless of the crime, why not watch something you enjoy?
Hilarious
It sounds like Kirstin didn't have effective lawyers at trial. The appeals lawyers did a good job. In 2019, Kristin filed a federal lawsuit against the Las Vagas police and detectives who handled her case.
Good, I hope she has/will bury them. Police sometimes get terrible tunnel vision, and cannot appreciate the absolute devastation they can render on the lives of innocent people when doing so. There's no excuse for it, and they are just as guilty of causing harm to the innocent when they do so as any criminal. The consequences for such actions should be devastating, to remind other police they must at all times be guided by evidence alone, not by their own subjective judgments.
She was exonerated, not even needing a retrial.
I like that.
@@JMurdochNZ Unfortunately, police are rarely held accountable for this type of behavior. But we can be thankful to live in America, because in America we have heavily-armed black nationalists who occasionally settle the score when police make a habit of going too far.
@@JMurdochNZTotally agree, it should be a criminal offence to destroy an innocent person's name, character and life.
The fact it took 16 years is repulsive.There should be overwhelming evidence before incarcerating someone, obviously there isn’t sometimes.. The system is broken.
There is rarely overwhelming evidence. Few cases are based on hard information. Circumstantial evidence is the norm.
@jamese9283 there are plenty of cases with direct evidence. Eg. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Wayne Williams, Gary Ridgeway (the Green River Killer), Joseph DeAngelo (the Golden State Killer), Lonnie Franklin Jr (the Grim Sleeper), Ivan Milat, mass shooters like Martin Bryant or Nikolas Cruz, not to mention more recent cases such as, Jodi Arias, Letecia Stauch, Stephanie Lazarus and countless others.
But they had male sperm on victims rectum shoe prints fresh tire marks condoms cigarettes oh and a woman from apartments across the street who even told police I think it was the guy that raped me 2 weeks ago my friends could have done it. But they honed in on this young woman
A friend made the mistake of talking to the police because "he had nothing to hide". Yeah, the lawyer's fees bankrupted him. The lawyer told him it would have been a lot cheaper to not talk to the police.
Sounds like he had to hire a lawyer either way.
They'll hire you a perfectly good lawyer, why bankrupt yourself paying for a lawyer? Do they actually check if you can pay for one yourself or not? No, right? You just say you can't and the state pays for it?
I love you man… you’re so factual dry and hilarious all at the same time … super entertaining especially for us true crime lovers. 😂😂😂 please never stop posting Dr.
Isn’t he great 😂❤
@@Sarcastic165 he is! I just love him.
well-said!
Poor woman. Can’t imagine sitting in prison for a crime I didn’t commit. 😔
I was on trial for murder once because I shot a bunch of people at a shopping mall (not my fault, I thought the safety was on) and the prosecutor was talking to me during discovery and he noticed my Spice World tattoo near my snatch area (I was a huge Spice Girl fan when I was a child and my mom allowed me to get a tattoo) and the prosecutor was telling me he was real into Dune. Like, I did not get what he was talking about. Later I discovered that Dune is a science fiction series about which family controls some spice planet and he thought my Spice Girl tattoo was something about Dune. I just went with it and got a reduced sentence.
"When a person adds substances to their life, they subtract the presumption of innocence." This statement is so haunting to me, as a person in long-term recovery from substance use. I have been clean for several years - because I attend a methadone clinic I am regularly monitored and have a lengthy and consistent record of clean drug tests - however, I know that the fact that I was once an IV heroin user will be a dark cloud hanging over my head for the rest of my life. Forget about the fact that I have a degree from NYU and have worked for some of the largest newspapers in the world - if I were to ever find myself in a situation like this one, in which I coincidentally happened to cross paths with an individual who ultimately ended up dead through no fault or involvement of my own, I would certainly end up as Suspect #1 due to my "incorrigible history of hard drug use." It's a bitter pill to swallow knowing that law enforcement (and a sizeable percentage of the general population) will _always_ perceive me as just another junkie no matter what I accomplish in my life.
Is this really the fault of the cops?
Excellent comment 💎
And super congratulations on overcoming that addiction and lifestyle.
I've heard it's a real beast.
Strong work my friend
@@eadweard. the fact that these investigators determined her guilt based on their subjective biases instead of the extant evidence...? Yes that is their fault lol.
@@Sarah.Riedel Your comment was about the police seeing you as a heroin user, wasn't it?
Well in this case…that theory doesn’t really hold up - bc the attacker was also a substance user with a lengthy violent history…yet the cops presumed him to be innocent 🤷♀️
Sickening. She never should have been charged. She did society a huge favor. She was exonerated in 2006. The DA and his lackeys should be charged for this travesty
Did she sue. She needs restitution money
I wish police & prosecutors would be held criminally & civilly liable when they stitch somebody up like this, but they rarely face any consequences, which is why they keep doing it.
Actually, the best thing for us, would have been for her to have been eliminated in addition to the other guy.
She wasn't. She was released a few years ago.
What favor did she do if she did not kill the guy?
"Clothing-challenged dancer"!!!!!! "Severance package"! You, sir, are a riot. Please keep making me laugh like this...your dead-pan delivery is just perfect!
I wish jurors had to take a course on the law and the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Reasonable doubt is a thing.
Good idea. I'm surprised there aren't more hung juries. I think they often end up agreeing just to get out of there.
@@jamese9283yup. You’re 💯 they do do that quite often. This is why it’s best to avoid the sheep at all cost
They don't want you educated in that manor. If they did, there would already be such a course. They also don't like when people know, or speak, about Jury Nullification.
you learn that shit in middle school.
I always say that it is shocking how horrible our education system is yet the same government expects randomly selected jurors to be effective in deciding the outcome of a trial. A lot of jurors can’t read or write their way out of a paper bag let alone properly apply critical thinking skills. The only thing more tragic is how eager police and DAs are to convict ANYONE versus the actual perpetrator.
It is surprising to me that the cops put any real effort into finding that guy's killer, given his criminal record and being a known drug dealer.
It's also most as if the prejudices we have about cops aren't strictly accurate.
I wonder if he had mob connections. Which wouldn't make the cops look very good.
@@synchro-dentally1965 Why wouldn't it?
Maybe some police corruption involved. Drugs and money.
Only because they found someone they hated even more to go after.
My heart goes out to her. 💜 Thank the Lord charges were eventually dropped.. she's been through Soooo Much. *hugs to her*
Gay
'Member separation agreement ' 😂😂😂
I really enjoy your work! 🇦🇺
Thank you as always, Dr. Grande! By the way, my husband bought me "Harm Reduction" for my birthday this year. Im going to start it tonight as we recently moved and have been extremely busy. Finally, we're all settled and im ready to crack that book open tonight! 😊
You will enjoy Harm Reduction! Unexpected twists. It’s a page turner.
Thank you Dr. Grande for what you said about drug addicts not being treated fairly when being considered innocent or guilty
“Never talk to the police” wise words given how a story can be arranged against someone with murky history. The police must, I believe, to solve cases. 🙏Dr Grande for your disciplined perspective ☀️
Kirstin Blaise Lobato is a Nevada woman who was exonerated for the July 2001 murder and mutilation of Duran Bailey, a homeless man from St. Louis who was living in Las Vegas at the time of his death. At her first trial in May 2002, she was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced from 40 to 100 years in prison. In a 2006 retrial, she was convicted of the lesser charges of voluntary manslaughter and sentenced to 13 to 45 years. Lobato's case gained significant notoriety due to the publication of new evidence, which some believe points to her innocence of the crime.
The fact that there was extensive fingerprint, DNA and shoeprint evidence at the crime scene - none of which belonged to Kristin - should have
easily resulted in no charges being filed against her. It is inconceivable that she could end up in trial with all this exculpatory physical evidence.
I wonder if a cop or something could have been involved. Because the woman who said the dead man r@ped her in a similar manner a couple weeks prior was also a drug user maybe she was an informant or would do favors to cops or like she said her friends might have done it but it was never investigated
"She lived as a clothing-challenged dancer," Dr. G delivers in his inimitable low-key style. Hahahahahahaha- classic!
That's frustrating when you can't quite recall who you stabbed. I mean, that could happen to anyone.
Thats the part of the story i dont believe, idk about this case
If you were really randomly attacked it may be difficult to recall every little detail
@@mbburry4759 especially if you were high at the time.
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Can you believe it. Enough said. What a wierdo she is.
Poor Kirstin. What a difficult life. I really feel sorry for her.
Any particular reason?
She didn't help herself by being promiscuous, violent, rebellious, a stripper and a drug user.
@@davidpetrosky Because she didn't deserve to go to jail. It was self-defense.
@@ciobalina7445 The comment was prefaced with, "What a difficult life". The same aspect of many people's lives, is discounted in other stories. Where drug addicted, troubled criminals lifestyles, get them caught up in hairy situations. Guilty, or not, you see a lot more less empathy. You see a lot more comments in the judgemental vein. "That's bad. But maybe if you weren't a druggie out on the streets, you wouldn't have gotten caught up in this mess" A far more stern sense of admonishment, generally. Just find it interesting, how the sense of connection with the human condition, seems to vary depending on who we're looking at.
@@davidpetroskyyou are the definition of selfish
Not talking to/trusting the police doesn’t come naturally to the innocent.
I trust police officers more than I trust criminals.
It should.
"...a clothing-challenged dancer..." This is why I love you, Dr. Grande!
I tell me grandkids never talk to the police. Ask for a lawyer if under arrest. The shady deal the DA worked out with the liar prisoner is what got this young woman this lengthy sentence.
“Clothing challenged dancer” .. that’s brilliant
Thank you, Dr Grande for this video about Kirstin.
I hope you have a wonderful evening.
😊😊Hi Dr. Grande, excellent analysis. You are right regarding substance users. My Therapist threatened me with jail if I didn't do Detox. Said he had friends on the Long Beach, CA police force. So I did Detox ( twice).
As always I learn something new from your videos.
Ever thought about doing a video on Mike Lindell?
Clothing challenged dancer 😂😂😂
Member separation agreement :D
SO nice to hear Nevada pronounced like someone who has lived there!
I'd love to know if Dr. Grande ever had to serve on a jury and uf he may be blacklisted from doing so (forgive the snark). Love him!
Dr Grande is so comical the way he describes criminal incidents. I give Dr Grande five stars.
Thank you for having compassion for this woman. I've known a few like her. My highschool best friend ended up on meth. I watched her go through withdrawals when i was 16. She could be mean. She once #icked me in the head with her foot because i told her "friend" to stop giving her meth. She had a lot of problems. But her mom took her own life and so she was left with her cruel grandmother. Blossom was so beautiful and was very sweet when she wasnt using. She took her own life at 32 years of age just like her mom did. It breaks my heart that people are so mean to these people. They are human beings.
The fact her sentence went from a plea bargain of 3 years to up to 100 years tells me everything I need to know about the American justice system…
Right. They know who did it just needed someone else to pin it on
Loving all the Member references 😏
very good 👏🏻 love you too Dr Grande, you are a part of my everyday life and I admire you as do many ❤️
You nailed this one, and as usual, hilariously executed !
Excellent analysis and explanation, Dr. Grande. I agree with your conclusion 100%.
Maybe if a random stranger grabbed you and attacked you and tried to rape you, it would make more sense to you.
Consider panic, fear, adrénaline, traumatic stress, etc. That fucks with your memory. It doesnt always make a person hyoer aware to detail when your just trying to avoid being killed or sexually violated.
"That fucks with your memory" doesn't sound all that scientific.
I agree.
The attack on her was not even in the same place or the same month.
Presumption of guilt is a must watch
I don't think a severance package and a package severance are the same thing.
That would be a good thing to figure out before you get to make the choice!
It's very sad that prejudice led the way with this case. It took so long for her to be set free, but in hindsight, it may have helped her- she was still young enough to change her mind and leave her hometown after a year or so after moving back there, and who knows what might have happened with her. It's still sad though, and I hope she leads a happy life.
When you take out trash, you should not serve more time than many criminals who murder noble people.
Thank you for the reminder that given circumstances anyone can find themselves in prison. Mistakes are made as evidenced DNA helping to exonerate people convicted horrible crimes due to the help of the Freedom Project.
Scary how cops make up a story and take your life
I learned as a child that the police are not your friends, never talk to them.
Very well done on this one Dr. Beautiful analysis
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏
I have self defense insurance because I carry a firearm for protection and the number 1 thing that is told if have to defend yourself is only tell the police when you call, that you have been a victim of a crime and need assistance, give location and advise if need fire, ambulance etc... and hang up. That's all you have to say. Other than that call your attorney.
Example of police and prosecutors magnifying “evidence” supporting guilt and ignoring evidence that points towards innocence. Opposite of what they SHOULD do!
No one should ever be put in jail off of hearsay or evidence that isn't objectively true.
I hope she sues their asses to oblivion. That's yet another example of shoddy police work. So sad.
People need to be careful out there and know how to defend oneself Thanks DrGrande 👍 😊
Right! Never speak to the police!
Right on, Dr. Grande!
I'm VERY Liberal on most social/class issues, but when it comes to self-defense, the Right will get little argument from me. If you are attacked, ANY way you defend yourself is ENTIRELY your prerogative. You owe neither the perpetrator, nor the law, ANYTHING.
That attitude could put you in prison. Self-defense should be in proportion to the threat.
The only things that "liberals" are ever actually liberal about are the government's use of force to take and spend people's money, and sexual degeneracy. "Liberals" are the most mean spirited and authoritarian people I have ever met
Putting yourself in the position of being attacked will let you know pdq that you will do ANYTHING to protect yourself! In that awful moment there is no restraint!
@@jamese9283 Self-defense should decisively neutralize the threat.
The attacker made their choice and they have to live with it...they may only have to live with it for a few more minutes.
"Whoever Appeals to the Law Against his Fellow Man is Either a Fool or a Coward
Whoever Cannot Take Care of Himself Without That Law is Both!
For a Wounded Man Shall Say to his Assailant,
"If I Die You Are Forgiven. If I Live, I Will Kill You"
Such is the Rule of Honor"
~~~~~~~Omerta/Lamb Of God.
@@jamese9283nobody owes anyone an equal fight. How does the victim know if the attacker with gouge their eyes out if the attacker gets the victim on the ground? Should the victim play a wait and see game? You attack someone, you’re done. The law is definitely wrong on these issues.
Having said that try your best to neutralize the threat without killing.
Maybe someone who knew her took revenge on her behalf a few weeks later, maybe with or maybe without her knowledge?
Thank you Dr Grande ❤
Thorough analysis . Thank you
I love how the cops just completely ignored the finger prints and shoe prints lol.
U are so right on Dr Grande !! ❤
I love how Dr. Grande's eyes always shift to the right when he says he's going to speculate. lol
A membership hahahaha. Another good one Dr Grande...... good story too. U have a very pleasant voice so it's easy listening always.....it helps i enjoyed it again & thanks!
Thank you Dr Grande. You are great at recapping with humor.😊
Never heard somebody call a stripper "clothing challenged" LOL
Are jury members taught what is "reasonable doubt" before trial? Seems they dont
That's insane that someone would even be jailed for getting rid of a guy like that...
She didn't stab him. Their argument was bc she stabbed someone else she was capable of killing him. Yet they had DNA, prints and shoe prints that did not match her. Plus she had an alibi. So twisted.
"A clothing challenged dancer" 🤣
Oh the candle cacti are gone.
What's the deal?
Your humor is stellar
Always interesting.
Thank you
Peace
This is what im concerned about, even if the killing was self defense and justified, talking to police is a no no
Interesting case with great points. I admit I'm weary of the bad childhood defense although it worked against her here. Thanks Dr G😊💙💙
I sincerely hope she got a bag for this wrongful imprisonment
I love your dry humor. 😂 “clothing challenged” dancer
"Severance package " that's a hard one to re-member
Nice job!
Drug addiction ruins so much lives
A "clothing challenged dancer" 😅😅😅😅 amazing verbal gymnastics
Doc you are just a hoot!😅
I was on trial for murder once because I shot a bunch of people at a shopping mall (not my fault, I thought the safety was on) and the prosecutor was talking to me during discovery and he noticed my Spice World tattoo near my snatch area (I was a huge Spice Girl fan when I was a child and my mom allowed me to get a tattoo) and the prosecutor was telling me he was real into Dune. Like, I did not get what he was talking about. Later I discovered that Dune is a science fiction series about which family controls some spice planet and he thought my Spice Girl tattoo was something about Dune. I just went with it and got a reduced sentence.
I’m more curious on who ratted her out. If I trusted someone enough to tell them something so personal, I would hope they wouldn’t repeat it
Nobody gets along with everyone Dr.❤❤❤❤❤
I wonder what sort of jurors were sitting in the first and second trials. Were THEY on drugs to have convicted without evidence twice?
"Clothing challenged dancer"😂😂
This happens fairly often where people are convicted with no evidence or almost no evidence other than the imagination of the prosecutors.
I made that mistake once. Cops made me spend 45days in jail for a crime I could prove I wasn’t even in the same state as the crime at the time , with video evidence and phone records
“Clothing-challenged dancer” lol
Dr grande please cover the adrian loya case. They're trying to get him retrail and released.
Hi Dr. grande. Very impressive and admirable analysis in this case - which could affect the life of an unjustoy convicted person. This seems to be following in a recent stream of your videos which hint at subjects and issues if more personal interest to you, as well as of wider interest than simply the titillating "crime" issues.
I encourage you to continue on this focus, assuming you agree that your recent videos are in more alignment with your passion and interests than previous posts.
My attention in your recent shift was when you noted some case and mentioned "conservative" and "liberal" political behavior, with a clear personal bias revealed toward traditional conservative politics. I didn't want to hastily post a comment, so I can't immediately recall the exact video, but it has been about one week since that post.
I sensed a more focused, personal presentation of interest than with your lust of prior, wider ranging vide subjects. Kee up your fine work. I suggest reviewing book/material in distinguishing between creative ideas that are more suited for specific media. A book with title like, _,Is your idea a Song, a film, or book?_ Screenplays are about the most condensed, specifically defined models, and therefore, seem t me, to be a great creative discipline to consider and attempt.
I want cards made - wallet sized cards that are right beside the ID card or Driver's License and I want it to be given to any police officer that one might encounter and this Card will say that this individual is not allowed by their attorney to talk to the police and for the officer to back off & leave the person alone. This society is in DESPERATE need of these kinds of Cards!
Talk to your lawyer. By law you don't have to say anything to police.
"A clothing challenged dancer" 🤣🤣🤣
I'm aware of another case where police investigating a criminal allegation interviewed a suspect regarding one piece of evidence and the suspect answered the questions put by police believing they were talking about an entirely different (but similar) piece of evidence. The police had no actual knowledge regarding the evidence to which the suspect had been referring in answering their questions, and the suspect had only vague knowledge of the evidence they were referring to when questioning him. Incongruities in the suspect's answers arising from the fact that he was speaking about an entirely different piece of evidence were ignored by the police - who believed he was referring to the piece of evidence to which their enquiries were directed. It became obvious to the suspect during the trial that there were two different pieces of evidence (the evidence was two different files on a computer hard drive) and that the interview process had been undermined because of the confusion regarding which piece of evidence was the subject of the interview. A contributing factor was that he was self represented during the trial. The judge realized there was a problem, but he was still convicted by the jury. On appeal, his conviction was overturned. The judgment is a fascinating read regarding how the police screwed up.
an excellent bit of work and analysis you did - thanks it's an important wisdom you distilled: don't think the police are unbiased, or don't have an agenda: better to keep your defenses operating at a high level if you have to deal with them :)
Trying to find more details.. was she ever paid out for her false sentencing? Where any charges laid against her defense team and or the legal system?
So did the person whose member was seperated by her just never went to a hospital? Or did she separate the dead guys member and then someone else killed him? This is very odd.
"Severance package" it may have been your funniest pun ever Dr. Grande. lol 🧚♀
"Clothing challenged dancer". 😆. Other than that, thanks, Dr. G. Sounds like he picked on the wrong girl. Glad she appealed. I hope she's gone on to a good life.
“Never talk to the police”, never go around telling people you killed a man because they will go to the police.
Are you OK. Ofcourse the Police should be informed , as any decent person would do. I highlight to you, Decent. My case rests.
Objection!
Calls for speculation.