'Nicest Guy Ever' Suspected of Killing Wife Who Wanted Larger House | Carol Lubahn Case Analysis
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I can fully understand how one bathroom for four people could lead to murder.
Totally.
It was the last straw
Not to mention the son and daughter sharing a bedroom. Were they supposed to share until they finished high school?
I honestly think that’s a ladies issue because living with guys I’ve seen it happen but living with the ladies it never works lol
@@TyrillCelestine You could have a point! We might be a little more modest about privacy. I don't know. I can't assume anything, but there's definitely something to your statement. 😁
"Well, he may have killed his wife, but did I tell you how he helped me put up my Christmas tree last year" The excuses people make up today is beyond me.
"Nicest guy ever" Is that what his wife would say?
He helped me carry my groceries in the house one time. He couldn’t have murdered his wife.
"If you're going to lie you need to have a good memory." Judge Judy
That’s so true! One of my friends lied one time said that she was a journalist whereas she was an assistant really. Then they called her asking if they can speak about journalism and she answered: “what journalism?” Totally forgot about her own lie 😂
Judge Judy is a registered Member of the Communist party !
5/14/24 WOW, must of changed her career by the time she got call for “quote” 😂
Judge jewdy
@@erikamccarthy1457 must *HAVE
Kind people do not allow their children to believe for years that their mother abandoned them!
Nah bruh
Women do it all the time thou 🤔
@@TyrillCelestineNo, actually it's the reverse. There's more fatherless home than motherless homes.
@@jenniferj5324because the court always grants custody to the mother..
@lonemaus562 I am speaking of fathers abandoning their families, not custodial arrangements. And that is not true, if the mother is unfit, and the father is, she will not get custody. .
How cold must one be to murder their spouse but continue to work for the dead spouses father, take over the father’s business as well as maintain a good relationship with the spouses family. This guy is a master at gaslighting and manipulation. Not a good guy.
People have an ability to compartmentalize. It's not that crazy.
Dude also went to her family’s holiday parties, etc. Psychopath…../
My thoughts as well. A ‘nice’ or ‘good’ guy does not leave his children with no closure, especially for that fkn long. Jeezus, this guy is the epitome of evil just like every other jealous murdering spouse. What he did to his own children is what really gets to me …
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017psychologically, that’s actually not true.
@@Kalleesto What are you talking about? It's not true? Who the heck are you to tell us that it's not true? So, all the psychological literature I've read has been for nought, cause apparently the concept of compartmentalization in psychology is simply not true. Come on.
"...Mostly because of the murder part"
This has to be on a T-Shirt.
Epic Dr Grande again! 🌵
YES!!
I’m still waiting for a “not clothing challenged” shirt. 😂
@@mombeach Lol
That one always gets me lmao
Everyone thought my X was the most WONDERFUL kind man. He was an evil, cruel, and extremely abusive man. It's something victims don't talk about it. To embarrassing. And why don't you leave? Very hard.
Your ex sounds like a narcissist.
It’s so difficult because everyone will blame you
@@cangrejitamiry Who cares ? That's not an excuse to stay with an abuser. Not leaving an abuser is has more to do with self-esteem than what others will say.
@@djg5950 I left and it took some time until people believed me, that I took the right decision. I would say about 2 months. These are the facts.
Same
“A person can be likable and a killer at the same time.” Dr. Grande! ❤ 👏👏👏👏
Most psychopaths are very charming!
But it makes me feel bad 😭
Like why do I like the “bad” person? 😰
I immediately thought about Ted Bundy. Even a judge in Colorado said that it was a shame he didn't practice law instead of murdering many young young women.
@@djg5950 I thought about him too! Too bad he used his qualities in a worst way!
Nice and friendly, or an adaptive sociopath? So sad that he can’t even tell anyone where her body is, I think that says it all.
I suspect this guy was not actually the nicest guy ever.. because of the murder part
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A cheating wife isn’t exactly either
@@Mancer1980 cheating and murder.. hardly comparable
And the son mentioned that he would get really angry on the occasions his temper was triggered (if I recall correctly), which makes it sound like he was the type to normally be okay but have big blow ups when angry that could result in harm coming to others, however he was just able to keep his anger in check enough for that to stay private/not effect his public image.
@@AMM3.Only the finality the life ruining potential and all other personality factors causing it have a lot of overlap. I feel bad for the kids.
When I was in the Army, the coldest, most prolific killers were the nicest guys in the company.
You gotta balance it out.
You can’t be a murderous jerk. Everyone suspects the asshole and the weirdo. Never the nice guy.
ying-yang
She cheated
Not in my unit 🤣 but then again I was in a Aviation unit
Covert narcissists appear absolutely wonderful to everybody except the actual family members. It’s a facade to feed their ego and inflate their poor self image but meanwhile there is anger, lots of anger, contempt, control issues, hatefulness and outright unhappiness behind the scenes.
I suspect that’s what is going on here.
That could easily apply to her
Covert narcissists and grandiose narcissists end up in relationships often enough.
Everything we "know" about the crime is what the criminal said happened. I'd take that with a HUGE grain of salt.
I don't know anything about the wife. She may have been overly materialistic, who knows? But wishing for more than 700 square feet and one bathroom for four people isn't asking a whole lot.
Not to mention for her preteen son and little daughter to have separate bedrooms. Sheesh.
Carol is like a rare victim where no one is really saying what a nice person she is. That worries me because I always thought I had immunity from being murdered because I am not a nice person. But this case proves otherwise and it is now giving me tremendous anxiety.
He was able to get away with it for so long because Carol wasn’t a very nice person. She was cheating on her husband and was getting ready to take another man to her sisters wedding. Carol was heartless and everyone knew it. The police didn’t try very hard to ‘solve’ her case.
I think you're referring to the "Only the good die young" rule, but "young" is rather imprecise and as an adult I wouldn't be counting on that as my only means of protection.
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@edwardwong654 why do you call yourself "not a nice person?" It's rare for someone to admit that or even know that about themselves.
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In an interview June Carter was asked the secret to her successful, long-term marriage with Johnny Cash.
"Separate bathrooms" was her deadpan reply.
Hmmmmmmm.
It's true.
Separate bedrooms could be a good idea as well.
She’s on to something!
Separate houses could be a good idea as well.
Are they both still living?
A ‘good guy’ does not punch his wife much less kill her. Michael was not kind, Mr. Grande. Kind people do not punch someone much smaller and weaker than them!
The police noticed that she was still missing 😂
So because she was found to be unfaithful and unhappy with the house everyone decided that she was voluntarily missing. Even though both children said she would never leave them. Of course he was never even investigated. WTF!
Exactly. Poor woman got no justice.
I think this definitely had to do with the time of the crime. I don't think he'd have gotten away with it today with cellphone tech and everything else.
This is a case of poor police work. Nothing was said about investigating her supposed "lovers". If they had followed that angle, maybe her husband wouldn't have been so well liked. Cheaters usually complain about what they don't like about their spouses. The fact that the family just "overlooked" the fact that she never contacted them or her children and continued to have a relationship with the husband speaks volumes, too. Had they investigated this case probably could have been solved when it happened. FYI, most children love their mothers and will claim that they'd never leave them, unless the mother is abusive. They were too young to understand adults actions.
What are you talking about. They investigated and didn’t find evidence enough for a prosecution.
Mike is like my Gramma's old saying,a street angel and fireside devil.
My best guess about this...She complained about the house being too small, was unhappy about it...but that was just a tip of her unhappiness. She was unhappy with her marriage, her finances, and mostly herself. Multiple affairs doesn't create happiness, it creates more confusion and isolation. Regarding him, often, the super chill, super nice guy also tends to avoid his own anger, and then tends to blow up when his anger can no longer be denied or avoided. I think he truly loved her, but that night her unfaithfulness triggered his rage and he struck out at her, killing her. Disposing of her body the way he did probably shows his anger and contempt for how she treated him. Overall, a very sad outcome especially for the children.
She seems like a typical narcissistic, hypergamous woman. She was attractive, I'll give her that.
I agree
If she lead a life of cheating and complaining the children were screwed anyway.
Sad outcome for Carol. She married too young....married the wrong guy...got knocked up...trapped in a marriage.... and confused about what to do. Then she got killed.
@@johnmorelli3775 So you are saying constant complaining was not the thing to do. Who would have guessed.
"A person can be likeable and a killer at the same time." Right! And being nice doesn't mean you get a pass. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande!
I guess the "nicest guy ever" award might have to be passed on to a new recipient.
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"mostly because of the murder part" - Todd Grande
@@jimc6687I think you meant this comment as a stand alone, not a reply. I agree, that’s a good one.
@@cplmpcocptcl6306 I'd consider this an excellent one......the cops have video and witnesses that prove how badly this woman acted back in 2021 and drove dangerously, ignoring their commands and forced them to react as they did yet now expects millions for her bad behavior.....But every time I comment (always nicely and constructively) or suggest a great case like this one either Dr, G or YT blacks me out 100%. It's entirely undeserved and humiliating and the only way I can keep my comments from getting immediately eradicated is by replying to comments and piggybacking.........I hope you can understand my frustration. YT talks big about the freedom of speech. Mine's always G-rated yet silenced. Jim
Yes, the new recipient being the new murderer who’s not a stranger to the victim.
Given how memory works, I would expect anyone’s story to change over time, guilty or not
Agreed. And sometimes, just because somebody adds details to a story, people twist it as if the person telling the story is now lying; we often hear the “he/she is now changing the story” even though they’re simply adding additional details. Can’t even trust a jury or anyone for that matter.
This whole situation is pretty gross… He punched her in the face and ended up murdering her. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if he was a “ nice guy” or a ” kind and laid-back individual” murder is murder. Of course there are different circumstances in every situation. But six years for murder because your partner might leave you so you kill them… It doesn’t seem right. EDIT: yes, he was convicted of man slaughter not murder. I still think it’s absolutely wrong that his wife was killed by his hand and he only spent six years in prison. Especially up until recently people were spending up to 10 years in present just for weed. I just feel like our system is extremely broken.
He was convicted of manslaughter which has a maximum sentence of 6 years. Not murder.
To paraphrase Lemmy, "His shine wore off as time went on, he wasn't a nice guy after all"🎶🎶🎸
Awesome song❤
In the 70s, our family of four and then five had one bathroom. Somehow we survived. There was a lot of knocking and begging.
This must beat the heck out of listening to patients.
I never got married.
@@Mark-qv4bn Huh? 🤨
La😂
@@Mark-qv4bn I will marry you
@@NickyBlue99His name is Mark with a K, not Marc with a C, so he probably doesn’t swing that way buddy
Who's ready to speculate about a situation like this?!
Meeeeee
As long as we're not diagnosing anyone...
Not me, I am stampeding straight to DIAGNOSING - I’m not bound by the same professional ethics 😂
Don’t we love speculating here… 🤭
It's all good and well until someone asks you to support them on Patreon 😂😂😂
He buried her on land or put her in the ocean.
Now that's a huge discrepancy.
Not any more with global warming!!!!
He had this hanging over his head for thirty years. You know he's relieved it's out and done with.
I wonder if his second wife divorced him once he confessed to the murder...
@@user-mc9qh9xc6v I think if she was normal she would feel creepy staying with him.
I can never really get used to the part where Dr Grande says "now moving to the timeline of the crime. "... especially when couples are the topic. I just know it's going to be bad after that statement. 😥
Um well this channel is all about that crime sooooo…. Maybe just stay away from any kind of media
I hear you lethu6413!
@@wanyatelbornthat's not their point
These are all bad stories.
oh my. don't watch then if you're traumatized by it. I find these crimes and analysis fascinating.
He's "nice" because they're not living with him
She was just as " nice"😏🙄
He was either very manipulative to have so many people like him after committing murder or she was just a very horrible person to have so many people take his side for murdering her. Bizarre story.
Very bizarre, hard to say what really happened
I have come to the conclusion. You are not going to talk yourself out of trouble. Whether you did it or not. Keep your mouth shut and get a lawyer.
I thought I was the nicest guy ever...smh
Is your wife still around?
@@ellenfoster9764
For now…
@@ellenfoster9764 I thought women do not go for nice guys, and especially not in this case.
The biggest mistake a lot of guys make is calling the police to report their wife missing. Other than the murder part.
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As the saying goes, if you tell the truth you never have to remember anything.
What a lazy police work. Carol didn't get justice.
what a weird story!
I can't wait for the Dr. Grande on Dr. Grande episode: "...the day I allegedly committed the crime, I would have been vindictive, sadistic, immature,..., yet still remarkably witty..."
Lol..
Ironically I was just having a conversation today about how we wouldn’t do well in a one bathroom house, so when we were searching it was a deal breaker.
It's easy enough to install an en suite, most cases.
That house was really, really small.
Never thought my hometown nor my high school would be mentioned in a Dr. Grande video.
You’re giving him a Lot of credit
The house was very small for a family of 4, and I can see Carol's point, however, Michael killed her and that's never right.
Probably, that's mostly because of the murder part
I grew up with both parents and two siblings. We had one house in the UK, and one in Australia when we migrated. We had one combined toilet/bathroom in each house. It’s perfectly functional for a family of 5 , so a family of 4 could do it with ease.
@@just_passing_throughThat’s not so bad, but these people had a son and a daughter sharing a bedroom I assume, since they only had two bedrooms. That’s fine until a certain age. What was he planning on doing when the kids were older? I guess he was remarried by then and went on to have two more children. I wonder how many bedrooms were in the house with wife number 2?
@@TheBOG3 I had a mum, a dad, a brother and a sister. We all lived in the home until, we moved out as adults. It’s really not the end of the world.
@@just_passing_through Depends on when you grew up. I was married to an English born Australian and lived in Australia as well. Many, many people do grow up like you did. My family of 6 shared a bathroom and 3 bedroom house BUT that was in the 50's and 60's. Things are different now. If Michael could have afforded a bigger house they should have gotten one. How long were two kids of opposite sex supposed to share a bedroom? That's the only thing I agree with Carol on tho.
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I thought Dr G was puffing the magic dragon, but then realized I had my playback speed at .75. 😂😂😂
Tried it. You're 💯 on that. He sounds completely wasted. 😄
Dude...have you ever speculated about what would happen in a situation like the Big Bang.....WOAH!
He already speaks so slowly. I always listen to him a 1.5 😂
Ollo Dr. Grande! Your dedication and humor are greatly appreciated! 😉🥰
Ollo???
The story of the ''likeable muderer''.
Please cover mica and jp miller!
I want a diagnosis for once!
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Oh don’t worry. You have one…..
There’s something to be said for living alone. That’s a small house with 2 kids. I mean not murder small, but relationship killer small
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That’s what I was thinking! Way too small & one bathroom for 4 people? That sucks!
700 Sq ft is smallish for one person.
In the 70s, our family of four and then five had one bathroom. Somehow we survived. There was a lot of knocking and begging, lol.
@@kikismama The biggest problem is having two children of the opposite sex. Even welfare will pay for a 3 bedroom apartment if you have 2 kids of the opposite sex. They do not make boys and girls sleep in the same bedroom when the oldest reaches (I think) the age of 6 or 7. There is a cut-off age.
She looks like Heather Thomas from the Fall Guy t.v. show from back in the 80's
_A man with an affable personality will usually be looked upon with fondness by his peers. However when an affable man's wife mysteriously vanishes, those same peers may inevitably be forced to face an unpleasant reality. Because sometimes it's the most easygoing amongst us who are bottling up the most rage, and there are many proverbial bottle openers that exist within...The Twilight Zone._
It blows my mind that someone could be likable AND a killer😲
I worked at Toyota in Torrance where I developed the SuperFunction for their logistics division. Torrance was a very nice town with strong Japanese influences. However there was a huge Mobil plant nearby that looming nearby. Toyota has since relocated to Plano, TX.
My narcissistic ex husband hijacked my family too. He is also a liar and can't remember his stories. My mother asked me how he could be with such a turd as me. So the narcissist killed the wife and the family didn't care. Poor Carol came from a narcissistic family who cant see the narc because they are narcs.
She wanted a bigger house so she could have more space away from him.
At this point I can deliver Dr G's opening lines better than Daniel Day Lewis ever could. 🌵
Hi Dr Grande... I could understand about being cramped with four people in one bathroom, because my household was the same. I could also see that she pissed him off with her lack of gratitude, but I think the fatality of this story entailed more than a simple "push". Lie after lie. Thanks
Nobody was more charismatic and more likable than Ted Bundy was.
Thanks for the video, Dr Grande. Human relationships are complex and don't guarantee everlasting happiness. Marriage can be challenging as it often forces people to stay together even when it's not ideal for their safety and wellbeing.
Especially for the man
@@Jeff-sp7bgbecause men are often unsafe around women 😂😂
@lostandfound5145 statistically yes it's been found 90% of assaults on men are not reported in fact the revised sexual assault stats coming in now show women are the primary aggressors now.
Holy crap! I am a born and raised Torrance California resident, as well as my mother and her two siblings (uncle and aunt). My uncle went to North High and graduated in 1973, my aunt graduated in 1976, and then my mother in 1980. I was class of 2008 (being born in 1990) and my younger brother then followed and graduated in 2011. North Torrance High School was a great school to go to growing up, as are the other 3 high schools in Torrance (Torrance High, West High, and South High) and have had quite a few different celebrities and prominent athletes professionally, attend our schools over the decades. But I have literally never heard of this case before now, and am dying to know if my Uncle David knew these two individuals since he would have been attending North High at the same time, though he was in fact a grade or two younger than them according to the dates Dr. Grande gave about their graduating classes.
Wild stuff though Dr. Grande; I watch basically everyone of your videos, and even though Torrance is an absolutely huge suburb of LA county, I never really thought it'd be featured in one of your videos🤣
Anyways keeps up the great work and never veer away from your elite level dry humor and your classic dry dad jokes!
Buy your own home and live.
I can see why sharing one bathroom with 4+ people indefinitely can be a source of contention and eventually a reason to want to separate. I shared one bathroom with two other siblings and it was pretty annoying.
I love your dry sense of humor Dr. Grande
Also, your videos give an in depth look into these cases. You speak with intelligence. Keep up the good work!
I watched an episode of Law and Order when they were looking for a murderer. Lenny Briscoe (the wonderful Jerry Orbach), jaded after years of being a detective said "It's always the husband." He's right.
They knew he did it but they didn’t like her, so they didn’t pursue him. lol. He practically had to confess to even be punished. Then they got him off after serving only six years.
Right, unless it's the wife
Dr G literally outworked everyone else into our algorithmic situations and we’re all better off because of it.
I love the sly eye in every video intro!
Probably can get $1M for that tiny house, in Torrance, today !
Agree with your analysis. I remain amazed & saddened at how terrible some people can be😔 Thanks Dr G😊💙💙
I don't want to speculate if he's a killeeer or a nice guy because that's why I am watching Dr. Grande. For the speculations sake. Grazie mille, Dottore❣️☝️😂
And it never crossed his mind to call the police and say we were arguing and it was an accident. Nice guys don’t have the ability to carry their wife to the river and throw her in it.
I had forgotten all about the Audi Fox! I wanted one so bad. My dad bought an Opel Manta Luxus instead. But that was just fine!!!!
"Nicest Guy Ever" is actually a huge red flag.
Sometimes.
Then everything is a red flag. Nonsense statement
Also this person, “Having a mother is a red flag!” 😂
Yes you are far safer with an abusive guy who can't control his intake of drugs and alcohol, smacks you around and cheats on you with your better looking friend. That's the keeper 😎
@cybermandan1960 identifies as a fleshlight
In the 60’s when I was a toddler there was a murder of a woman in my small country town. As such things were extremely rare, the local police got all excited, doing everything by the book, preserving the crime scene, setting up an Incident Room - while they waited for someone from the Murder Squad from Scotland Yard. When turned up he didn’t look at anything. He just said ‘arrest the husband. It’s always the husband’.
Was the husband actually guilty?
@@cristinaratiu4535
Yes
My God what a horrible automatic conclusion.
As always, thanks, Doc!
She was looking for someone to provide her with the finer things in life like a multi bathroom residence😂
Thank you for the video, Dr. Grande!
Dr. Grande rocks❤
This is what happens when a perp is likable and the victim is a piece of garbage. It blurs the lines of justice
What’s happening today?! Thank you, Dr. Grande. ❤ So many stories, so little time! I do find your videos fascinating and informative.❤ Thanks
for all the hard work!❤
You intrigued me with this one!!
You lost me at Audi Fox....what a groovy ride.....
I grew up in Torrance and knew most of the painting contractors, but don't recall Milton. Based on my house painting background which put me through college, it was a close-knit group and these contractors took care of their families. Why didn't she just ask her father to give her husband more money so they could buy a better house? Why didn't she handle her dad's business if she was wanting accounting work? I think I know why, based on the neighborhood culture, but I won't say. The women were either good or bad, no in betweeners in 1970s and early 80s Torrance.
Fascinating story💙
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Separate bathrooms are relationship saving if you can afford it.
Yes. I really don't know how humanity survived without having big houses, multiple bathrooms, private pools and at least 1 mil$ in their accounts. 🤷
I don't know how they managed to form families, procreate and live fulfilling lives. It's a miracle ohh Lord, what a miracle that humans are still around.😂😂😂
Even if you take a shit in a galaxy far away, I still know you have a lot of shit in you. If someone can't share a bathroom with the most intimate person in his/her life, is not good for forming a family, end of story. Life it's never only sunshine and roses. 🤷
Other than self defense, no one should get such a light sentence for murder. Person is dead forever, he's off in six yrs is absurd.
I Grew up in Los Angeles, I remember the Red Onion,But in the Wilshire District . They were a little older than me .
Why watch a true crime tv show or podcast when you can have Dr. Grande sum everything up in less than 15 minutes
If he hadn’t turned into a possessive monster and murdered his wife when she tried to leave him, the moral of the story would be that marrying someone you met as a teenager seldom turns out well. Odd that he’s described as a “good guy.” She responded to her unhappy marriage by having affairs; he responded by committing murder. Sounds like they were both jerks. He wasn’t a good guy.
i think the “” in “good guy” convey sarcasm
I married my first bf whom I met in high school. It did not end well. He always thought the grass was greener and on Christmas Day 2015 he told me he was leaving me and the kids to pursue his prize (ie. his secretary). What a cliche
@@purpleperegrine7295Hell yes. He is a cliche. I hope it doesn’t still hurt. Getting a final divorce decree was the happiest day of my life. Hope you can say the same about yours.
@@kashigataI would be lying to say it doesn’t still hurt. My guess is it always will because I married a person I loved. After the debilitating pain subsided somewhat, the implosion of my marriage made me reflect on myself and who I am, how to raise my kids with an absent father.
I started my law degree March 2016 and was admitted as a lawyer March 2020. I am in control of my life story and choices, not my ex. He is a bit chapter in my life, not the epilogue. Not once did it cross my mind to inflict pain on my ex because of what transpired. I am in a happy place now and the kids have two sets of parents that love them.
@@purpleperegrine7295 Wow, you’re amazing! Thanks for sharing your story. In the end it is a very positive one. 😊
Dr grande you are so interesting i love listening to you 😊
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".. mostly because of the murder part."
I feel like i have heard this line before....
Not meaning to provide any excuses to this guy for what he did, but his "downfall" was not keeping his mouth shut, because he kept changing his story.
Dr. Grande da 👑
❤❤❤Thank you!
Cheating, complaining, name calling, neglect, lying, provocation, telling to his face about the cheating and risk of STDs.
Nothing justifies murder, but I can't judge him.
Wished he had just walked away from such a narcissist.
Good morning everyone 🌞 🌄 bless day too all .Pls take care of yourself 🙏🙏
Always interesting
Thank you❤
Marriage is Russian roulette
If it is based on falsehoods.
Marriage is for suckers and poor people 😂
Promises@@purrple.shadows
@@purrple.shadows People often change they don't stay the same person.
Especially for couples who marry that young.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt the night of the murder the same afternoon that Reagan was shot? I was only 12 days old forgive my memory.
Michael is a good actor, maybe he had affairs too? My ex looked like Mr. Perfect too but our marriage was loveless because his love was his secretary at work. My 4x was a good employee as he raced to work daily,,, albeit to see his lover, meanwhile the kids and I did everything without him. When I finally left, he told huge lies about me. Carol didn’t deserve to die nor be bad-mouthed in her absence,,, in the Bible that is called gossip which is a sin. He deserves jail time, geez Louise now charmers get a free pass? Some things never change!😢😢😢