Here's A Great Way To Blow Up Your Brand New Engine - 1969 Plymouth GTX 440 Oil Pickup Fitment Fix
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- Here's a nightmare scenario in hot rodding. You stand on the brakes in your classic car, and the oil light comes on - or even worse, you stand on the throttle and rip out of the lights, and the oil light comes on... It's not a Mopar problem or a 440 problem, it's an engine assembly problem. When you're bolting together your shiny new engine components, overlooking the oil pickup to pan fitment and clearance is not something you want to do. It's absolutely essential to the long term survival of your engine. It's your job as the engine assembler to ensure that the pickup is as close to the bottom of the pan as it can be without making contact, which can cause sealing issues and the bending of important parts. And in this case, the problem is exacerbated by an aftermarket dipstick that doesn't read the oil level anywhere near correctly. So while you're at it, you might want to check that too. Or do yourself a favor and stick with original factory components. Anyway, let's sort out this obvious oil pickup issue, and try to ensure that this big block Mopar lives a long and happy life. @rocketresto
I always wondered why this conservative green was so popular on 69 and earlier Mopar muscle cars. I came to the conclusion that part of the deal for the guy could get the car he wanted, was to let his wife pick the colour. Green cars also seem to have a greater likelihood of having power brakes, steering and an automatic transmission. 69 was a high water mark for the GTX styling, and this one is beautiful.
That happened to me on the very first car engine I built 48 years ago…a 383 Mopar for my ‘71 Roadrunner…wrong pickup in a 402 pan…about an inch off the floor of the pan. That motor lasted maybe 200-300 miles before I went over a set of RR tracks and it sucked air…goodbye number 6 rod bearing. Start over again….learned to measure the second time and every time after…also taught it to my engine class students.
Ouch… yeah, that’s bad times.
@@DeadDodgeGarage yeah…but learning isn’t always easy or cheap…if it was everybody would be smart
Great tech. I use a 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch drill bit taped across the pickup. Put a small dab of grease on the drill bit and hold the oil pan in place with the gasket. You should get a small kiss of grease on the pan. If the clearance is not right i heat the pick up tube with a torch and "adjust" it.
Any Mopar is a great car. There are tons of red and blue cars. The green is gorgeous and more rare. Awesome car!
My '69 Dodge Charger R/T had factory four piston calipers disc brakes and they worked awesome!
Yep! They were optional, and came with 10” rear drums. Standard on R/T were non-adjustable, HD 11” drums front and rear. Different setup than the singles that have been retrofit on this car of course. Much harder to find parts for these days.
I LOVE the Green looks more authentic
I’m here because you’re here
Yup.
Me too!
I know you aren't here because I'm here, because you were here first. Therefore, we're here for the same reason. MoPar fun! 😂
Sweet ride. I have had no problems running 11" rear drums and late 70s front disc brakes.
So no rear lockup before front brakes? Because that’s always what happens. They work awesome, until a panic stop.
Great video. I learned how to measure my dingus
Nice, nice
Even part 2 ....it's still a very nice car...good content and thanks....🐐🔧🔧👍
Great save! The OCD in me cringed at the upside down Plymouth emblem on the steering wheel. Seems more GREEN Mopars were saved (or more likely built) in mid sixty's than any other color. Love Green! 💚 😊
That whole column situation is getting an overhaul, so we’ll address that when we get there.
Awesome information and advice! Well done showing the differences!👍
Hey there, make an offer on the GTX. 😊 Really great car.
Nice find Jamie.
Yeah, absolutely right! Everyone loves this car... in RED lmao! The green is wrong by a few shades of pea if one accounts for camera effect (like how it supposedly adds or subtracts 10 lbs).
17:00 Alternatively I strongly urge you to check those 11 inch rear drums to see if it has a self adjuster kit in it because afaik all 11'' drums came with that deleted on the 8 3/4 and D60. Reason I say so is the brake bias seems to be a full half turn too tight hence the lockup under load before the fronts do. And with all the reversing and little low load test drives then the rear shoes haven't worn to catch up with the amount of extra auto-adjust clicks. OR you can tell me to GFMS because I am like 5 steps behind you and well youtube time vs real time haha. Wait, didn't you recently talk about the auto adjust stuff? Sorry... I'm old.
Right, the 11” HD brakes in ‘69 would have been manually adjusted. But simply backing the adjusters off isn’t going to solve the problem there. We’ll just a bit of extra pedal travel as the shoes come out, and *then* they’ll lock up. Haha.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I currently have the "deleted auto adjuster" option on my 8 3/4 suregrip and getting that initial setup right was a little bit of a bit*h. I either had full lockup or barely any brakes for several tries. I finally scrapped the front pads for a set of new ones and it balanced out perfect... if anything I am a half turn too far in but hey easy burnouts!
Green 💚💚💚💚 is great especially on a Classic Mopar Jamie.
A buddy of mine had a 1969 Charger, dark green with the white trunk stripes and oh man was it sharp, that light green isnt nearly as pretty but thats still a really cool car!
I always thought the air grabbers or any kind of scoops back in the day were more of a gimmick than anything. At least they always looked pretty cool, partial to the superbee scoops myself 👍
Oh yeah. I love the dual scoops. They’re my favorite, useless or otherwise. Haha.
Beautiful car, great job 👏 👍
Another great video! I really enjoy all your video's. Please keep up all the good work! Just thought I would let you know. Have had a few nice Mopar's in the past. Watching your video's makes me want to look for another after all these years!
My 1971 Australian Valiant is green , it's called "Deep Chartreuse mettalic" , is that a colour on American mopars? . It's been said that green is often the favorite colour of people with superior intellegence .🙂
Not familiar with that color name, but that’s not really my area of expertise. Haha. Alright, that checks out, because I don’t like it 😅
Great video Jamie! That’s great that the pickup situation is fixed, now I know that Chrysler made 2 different oil pan styles. Does Moroso make a windage tray/ pan gasket for small blocks as well? I might upgrade to one for my 318.
No, unfortunately the small block windage tray situation is very different, and it can’t be integrated with the gasket.
Great video, Jamie! Engine sounds healthy. Well done!
The green is my favorite
Great job brother keep it up
Ahh another day another task .. So any tips on getting the small joint thing off the steering shaft on our sons 1992 D250 ram we have upgraded to a nice new borgoson steering column, but before smashing the hell out of it any tips for removing said item . Should I be using a puller or half tempted to drill into it with a series of holes and release the pressure on the shaft and then Chisel it off . On the bright side at least it’s sunny thanks in advance again Roy.
This is one of those things that make me wonder why anyone "builds their own" engine today. Sure, experienced builders with well established relationships to a great machine shop and wanting a specific build they can't find in one of the great many "crate engine' choices may argue my point to their advantage. That's not most of us out there though. Most of us can probably count on one hand how many engines we've ever put together. We don't know the local machine shop well enough to be sure of the work or get great pricing deals. Then there is this problem highlighted in the video. Even if using a stock pan and pick up the problem of any one single mistake or over looked piece of the over all puzzle that can take out all the hard work and money spent remains. Crate engines blow up or have problems occasionally too......that's a fact. Yet problems like this show up almost immediately and all the reputable builders back their engines up with warranties. I've built a few engines in my day and I've done top end stuff like heads, cams and lifters on more than I can even remember hut these days it's all crate engines. Easy/peasy for a Chevy guy. We've got so many choices out there to pick from. For Ford and MOPAR guys, despite fewer choices, there are still plenty available. Enough such that it's tough to imagine it makes much sense to build your own for a Mustang or in this case a Road Runner vs buy it, ship it and install it route. When you've got that matching #s Hemi car I certainly understand that build it rather than buy it makes the most sense but that's not most cars. That's the rare exception rather than the rule.
Just one note, this is actually a numbers matching 440, so rebuilding it is the only option for a car like this. It’s worth it. I know it’s not a Hemi, but it is a real HP engine and it deserves the same treatment. And he outsourced it to a builder that I’m sure he thought was reputable. But we don’t really know the full story. The engine may have been finished by someone else, because the actual builder unfortunately passed away. But aside from that, I agree with your points. Get something on a crate with a warranty if you can.
Had a 69 roadrunner with a68 right front fender with a 383 magnanimous engine regret ever selling it
Growing up BITD my dad had a leaky ,Green Monaco my sister later deove.
Hey Jamie, I tore down my 1977 hp 440. Good thing too because it was full of sunflower seeds. It has dished pistons on a standard bore. There is slight ring ridge. When do I know I can stick with std pistons or bore? What tolerance do I have?
Oh wow. I can’t quote a tolerance, that’s beyond me. Stone hone the crap out of it and see what the pattern looks like.
great vid lucky dog
I solve life's problems with gettin Bent too.(sometimes)
Jamie, my 71 Bee has a 971 pan and I know stock was a 402. However, 440 source says they both take the same pickup tube. 971 is 1/2 deeper than the 402 but they both have the same oil capacity. I know Ma Mopar started putting next year parts on the previous as I have an AVS rather than a Holley. Should I worry about oil starvation with a 971?
That’s interesting. There is definitely an amount of up and down adjustment you can get based on how you orient it, so I guess they are probably right. I just made what must be the same pickup work for this six pack style pan so there you go. I have a 440 that was in a different ‘68 Charger for years, and it had the 971 pan too for some reason.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I also found out that since my car was a factory A/C they pulled engines that were the newly painted blue. Lynch Road assembly did all kinds of weird things.
@8:05 Yup
damn I love your chanle
"Green, green is nice.... Green"
Im A bodies, butt LURVE The BEEP BEEPS
Don't you have a rubber mallet?
We did, but it died the big death 😭 that was a soft face hammer.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Oh, I thought is was solid steel, my bad.
Just put the proper pan why have a pan thats for another motor it wont make that much difference its a 15 sec car so it does 14
Yeah, what you said.
Around 50 years ago (!) a friend had oiling issues with a 383 Magnum in his Super Bee. He and I pulled the pan and discovered that the oil pickup was badly cracked. Went to the dealer and got a new one - or tried to. The “Magnum” pickup was different, we tried to explain. “Nope - this’ll fit any 383” the parts guy explained. Yeah - he was wrong. We had to bring the old one in and place it alongside the one he had sold us to prove our point. So he reluctantly opened the parts book and whaddaya know. A 15 year old and an 18 year old knew a thing or two.
Dude that car is FREAKIN GORGEOUS.I was never a fan of green either but....GORGEOUS.
Ther`s an old guy around here that has a 1970 Cuda, 383 Magnum, 4 spd, that is the most awesome metallic green. Black interior with buckets and console, factory mags. Perfect condition. I have only seen it once when he was at the market getting gas. I know this guy, he`s a lot older and I believe that he is a Nam vet who bought the car new when he got back Stateside. He lives in small house with a barely one car garage behind it. In all my years, I have only seen it once in my very small town. I think he keeps it hidden, but he also keeps it sparkling like new.
A friend`s little brother has a 70 AAR Cuda that is green too, about the same shade as that GTX. His is a perfectly restored car too, both of the brothers are classic Mopar collectors and have huge garage right in town that used to be a movie theater back in the 50`s.
Money is green, you hate that?
Green takes you back when cars were enjoyable to me it reminds me of what MOPAR is they built great old school cars .👍🏻🇦🇺. Nice save on the pick up .
Good job diagnosing the problem before it became a "post mortem' issue! I kinda like the green, it was a fairly common color back then. Back when us teenagers called the GTX a "Git-Ex". Hey. if GTO's were 'goats' what's wrong with a Git-Ex?
I had a 69 Fury 4 door with a 318 in that color, the Jolly Green Giant was an absolute blast to drive, handled better than expected, maybe the best $125 car ever!
My first car was a 69 Fury, but 2 door, with a 318, I concur that it was a blast to drive, but those doors weighed more than most mountains.
It really is kind of a pukey green but i just don’t mind it on that car, can’t help myself!
I don't care for green either, but I have one. Mine is F3
Wonder if it's possible for someone to come up with a high quality flexible braided stainless hose with a magnetic pickup for various applications.
Possible? Absolutely. Heck, I could build something like that if I wanted to. But I don’t see the steel pipe as a problem.
Great catch there Jamie you saved the man a engine and a lot of money!!!!!!!!!!
Gee, but that seems like the dumbest, most avoidable engine killer ever....
I know it!
15 ft/lbs on an oil pan?! Ya, no. Good catch man, would hate to see that gorgeous car taken out by someone else's oversight.
i built my 440 for my 67 charger a few weeks ago, and wanting to check this same measurement went rooting thru my toolbox (which used to be my dads' toolbox). i found some crayola modeling clay in the bottom drawer that i remember being there since i was a small child. and i was never allowed to play with it cause it was for something! anyways, 25 years later i got to take some of the modeling clay out of the package and use it to check pickup to pan bottom clearance...which i'm assuming is the same reason my dad had it in there in the first place. a true full circle moment!
Yep! Clay is a great way to accomplish that, among many other clearance checks. Why I’ve never actually done that myself I can’t tell you…
@@DeadDodgeGarage Likely because measuring works just fine? lol
Nice car...too bad someone stopped short of restoring the right AVS, coil and starter for it. Needs the correct clamps instead of the parts-store versions. The radiator cap is also wrong. What's up with that plastic power steering cap...it looks like the Dorman version from Autozone.
We didn’t restore it and have a lot of notes, I’ll just leave it at that.
I'm glad he brought this car to you guys. Great job spotting the issue. Green is ok with me. I love any GTX 66-70. But I agree on 68.
Looks pretty close to F8 Green, awesome color if you have enough metallic in it.
I did misspeak in the video, the color code on the tag is F5. I agree that it looks like the darker shade.
I love the green, I had a 71 Swinger Green on green on green. I would love a 68 to 70 Charger in green with preferably a black vinyl top. This is a great car, thanks for the video
Awesome car. But I agree, hard pass on the green. The 1990s (I’m looking at you Pontiac) ruined green for me. The roads in the mid ‘90s were a sea of green Bonnevilles, Tauruses, Grand Prixs, etc.
Big fan of the green 👍 Thanks for the follow-up.
Plans to add that crossmember skid plate to protect the protruding pan? 👀
Not up to me on that one. I think we’ll make the owner aware of it and see what he thinks.
Love the green, that’s the exact spec I’d want in a 69 gtx..well a 4 speed. Here’s to dreamin!!
Sweet car and nice to see more and more views on your videos. 5 hours and over 800 likes....... enjoy the content keep up the great work!
Thank you! This video is doing great! So I guess I’m doing something right. Haha.
Cage match between Jamie and Richard Rawlings over if green is good or not. Who is in?
Had my oil light come on my truck 3 or sometimes after my dipstick tube broke off and I shoved a bolt in it. Soo me being young and dumb just kept adding oil. Well 10+quarts cake out of the pan when I did an oil change.
I've learned a lot since then but that damage has finally caught up. Time for an unframe bearing change oorrrrr a 12 valve swap hmmm
Had one with same interior and exterior colors with black vinyl top. Car ran perfect, just like a stock 440 GTX should. Got an offer I couldn’t refuse and sold it 10 years ago. Now I have to enjoy my 69 Charger R/T 440 4 speed…
How can you not love a 60’s GTX. They could paint it polka dot and I’d still love it…..isn’t money green? If your friend ever decides to become a monk, I’ll take a ride from Massachusetts to GTX Washington to pick it up!!
Does this require a fuel vapor separator? Do you have any videos regarding the purpose/benefit/installation of one?
I believe it does have one. It’s definitely supposed to in any case. I don’t, but Uncle Tony did a great one addressing that.
@DeadDodgeGarage
Thanks. Mine doesn't, and although I purchased one for installation, it mysteriously disappeared. So, I'm thinking of getting another one (but very hard to find now), but I'm trying to determine if I really should. 😕
Another question for you (please don't charge me too much 😅) , recently my car has been shutting down when I come to a firm/hard stop. I mean dying. The electrical would be working (radio and signal light working), but the engine is dead. So, i would place the car in neutral and restart (after a few turns of the ignition}. If I come to a slow/gentle stop, the engine runs normally and does not shut down. When it first happened, I thought heat soak or vapor lock, but today here in Georgia, it had just finished raining and it was overcast with temp possibly in the 80's. It's a recently built '70-71 block with 70's valve covers and breather/pcv (dual port) (but it ran rough for the '69 valve cover setup), and 6-barrel setup. What could be the cause of the engine dying upon a firm stop? Any help from you or others would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
My 1st car was a dark green '70 Challenger - guess I still have a soft spot for it 'cause I also think that GTX is a great car. Your level of expertise is impressive.
I do love the green paint. Although I think it would look better with a black interior. And it would be perfect as a B-5 '67 GTX. either way, it sure beats anything I own. 😊
I'm not a green guy either but I think it looks great on that car. Actually, the whole car looks great.
We Need knowledge like yours here in Germany. 👌🏽
I would make a 4 das roadtrip for you Tod Go through my 69 Roadrunner.
Keep Up the good work and thank you again for helping me out on my electrical issues
Were those turn signal indicators on the dash *red* ? Does that indicate dangerous maneuvers ahead? Glad the 440 wasn't damaged, and I learned something about oil pickups that I didn't know.
I just bought a 65 Corvair painted a very similar green color. I don't like green either, but it's growing on me, and people constantly tell me how beautiful the color is!
Not a green car guy either, but I wouldn’t kick that GTX out of the garage. Prefer the GTX over the Roadrunner as well, but again, I’d take either one no problem. Even a green one.
Nice “The Jerk” nod at the end. Think there’s a Dart Swinger in the repair shop during the “He hates these cans!” scene. It’s been a while, though.
Now I may have to paint my Satellite green just so I have 2 green B-bodies... 😅😅😅
Loooove the green. Fastest I ever went in a car was 140 in a same green on green ‘70 GTX on I5 in Seattle at 2am. In 1979. Good times.
Love the green.... I think it hits more cause today cars are so black, silver, and white.... To boring... but I may be biased.
That is a beautiful GTX. I bought my Belvedere as a cheaper option to the Road Runner and GTX. I had a Satellite briefly.
I’m picking up what you’re putting down
Oh I’m sure you are. Haha.
green fits round organic shapes better, like a '72 Satellite 4dr, but I wouldn't kick it out of the garage. It makes the red scoops stand out.
My first car was a 1969 Sport Satellite. It was that color green. Good times!
For what ever reason mopar put out tons of forest green cars. Must have been that era of shag carpet and so on.😂 after seeling this it makes me wonder things. I have a hard time getting the dip stick in the coronet 500. Oh its raining again. Is this the new gray harbor? 😂 donny is here because your here 😂 i am here because and will leave it at that son. Your almost better than the factory one i built 😂 but your both stubborn kids and love ya both. But remember. Some day you will be a real mechanic or manic or both. 😂❤ your dad called me from heaven and told me to tell you your a good man, good husband and great dad, then said see ya soon😮 click. It was collect😂
That couldn’t have been cheap… 😅
Funny enough I would take the green all day long ,,,,,,my no1 colour for old molars is silver then green No clue why ,,,good fckn vid bro 😅
Ok so I love the green gtx’s
Friend across the street had a 68 (best looking) 440 ,4sp, Dana 3:54 sure grip
Green upholstery green paint D5 and green vinyl roof
Loved that car almost as much as my turbine bronze metallic 68 barracuda notch back 😍
Green and brown are my favorite colors for a 68-69 Road Runner. Great tips here that should save some engines.
Really good info on the oil pan. And really nice car too. And by the way, I did see my Doctor many times, I'm not sure he's gotten rid of it yet. Haha.
I see the green shaded turn signal blinkers are faded too almost clear. Just like mine were. Must be common. I fixed mine but it was a lot of work for a 70+ year old.
Thanks for another video on this gem. But I think I’d rather have a 69 roadrunner in the same color with black interior. If I had the choice.
I'M ALWAYS LEARNING AT DEAD DODGE GARAGE ACADEMY OF HIGHER LEARNING...🎓🔧
An occult ticking in a stock 440 can be a plastic tooth of the cam gear. Breaks off and sticks in the chain. I had a ‘69 Chrysler 300 convertible where that happened.
Good one, but this is anything but a stock 440.
Nice clip sir. I didn't check my clearance on a 360 build. Oil pressure dropped around corners and although embarrassing to say, the truth of the matter was, there was over 2" of clearance. I pulled the sump and found a few issues. It saved a good motor. You had a sunny day! Is that not rare!? Have fun!
Ouch! But good save. Yeah, it’s pretty rare. Haha.
No sweat on the steering wheel... you're on the right side of the road so you're steering slightly left against the crown of the road. On a clear road hit the opposite lane for a minute and if the tilt of the wheel is exactly opposite then you're right on.
I like the green... my first "real" car was a '70 Fury about that shade, with a darker roof. Fun times.
Shiny side up, fun hangin' out. Cheers.
Oh I know it. That’s what I told Tom. Haha. Thanks!
Yeah Brother, my '69 Road Runner was built with the F8 color code. When it was repainted many years ago by the previous owner they changed it to a cross between F6 and Rally Green Metallic. Where ever I take it, this particular shade of green gets 'thumbs up' and compliments. Keep the cool vids coming - very good and helpful. Thanks!
That green is soooo 1969. I was twelve and I remember.
My 68 shop Manuel pickup right on bottom of pan
Yeah seems I remember more green Mopars back in the day than any other color.
Great video. Very informative. And a reference to the Jerk.
F5 is the color code. Little known fact to some, F5 was also known as Limelight before the name was applied to the high impact color in 1970 which was coded FJ5.
Tom corrected me via text, I’ve been waiting for someone else to catch that. Haha. That’s interesting. It’s probably obvious I don’t know my color codes or names all that well, but I find that surprising. I do know that codes changed over the years. Like my B5 coded Demon is actually the darker GB5.
Color reminds of the 1st 72 Chevelle i acquired in trade for my 1st car 55 2dr 150 post which i shoe horned a dirt track rolled 348 into. So yeah, have an affection for this particular green... it's different and should i say more sophisticated? ha, thanks for the video!
I like the green paint. Not so much the green interior but I like the paint.
And reeemember...see a doctor to get rid of it.
That’s right!
Cool car indeed but yah the green isnt for me either ! Lol
You completely click baited me. I absolutely love that car and had a small heart attack. That's something happened to it. And you blew up the motor I am so glad it is running good and yes, pick up tubes and oil pans and ground clearants. Is extremely important in any car project?
Alright, that’s my bad. Haha. I mean something kinda did happen but it definitely isn’t blown up. Any engine assembly needs to involve an oil pan to pickup clearance check. Anyone skipping that step is asking for trouble.
I am a green guy and after my older Imac has become obsolete so I got myself a slightly younger one- with an hd display, now! So I am (for the first time) able to see the goodness in all its glory. That newer 27" display is so crisp I could pull Your nose hair ;)
Did I mention I like green cars?
Outstanding! Haha. Yes, you mentioned that. 😅
I need a big block car in my life.
@NatPeterson.89_ maybe someday
Agreed, but the prices aren’t coming down quick enough…..we need a stock market crash like yesterday!
Alternatively you can do plan B and go with a big block *truck* ! Just do the van control arm swap up front, the axle flip rear, some 275/60/15 rear tires and bam you have a b-body.... with a box.