I remember half a year ago when Max was joking that MVC coming back was nearly impossible, he was resigned they he did his best and it was never coming back. We are in such a better place now lol.
They're definitely working on it. If they weren't, they are now. This collection got coverage on CNN from the guy that's literally fixing their last game, Capcom listens. Remember, they had that survey and we're literally seeing the fruits of that. The fgc took that survey to heart after max and Matt covered it
The golden age of fighting games was the nineties. I don't care how good it gets, you don't understand how popular they were then. They were half of all games for awhile. Right now they are like 3% of all games.
I FORGOT how much I loved the arcade version of X-Men vs Street Fighter because of how dumpy the PS version was. That's been my hero of the collection so far.
Man, I played the hell out of Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and I loved every second of it. Got the DLC and everything, too. Even took it to play during rainy days on the beach with a friend - we played the treasure hunt mode in co-op and it was a ton of fun... My main was Lee Chaolan/Violet.
As a casual player, I *loved* Tekken Tag 2. It had a huge amount of characters and you could add your own custom music to it which was a lot of fun. My friend Shannon and I played it endlessly and had a ton of fun. Never knew it was so hated by pro players. Weird.
1:33 Probably Mew2King with Melee is the ONLY comparison I can think of. Seeing as he was the father of a lot of character data in that game actually being documented with him just... Buttoning down and developing an insane level of knowledge and figuring out what characters could do.
There was a Mortal Kombat collection of the first 3 games on PlayStation Network on the PS3. I only know because I used to go through the PS store every week back in the day.
I’m on Switch and I can confirm that you can definitely find matches other than MVC2 on the collection. Literally lastnight I got a couple of matches of COTA, MVC1 and X-men v street fighter. Ps. I can also confirm that the Juggernaut glitch update has NOT hit the Switch yet. Pss. I can now confirm the update is out on Switch!!
15:09 The danger room might just be my favorite stage in all of COTA. Avalon is a close 2nd, though. I think the only stage I didn't care for that much was the Savage Lands. Thank God Wolverine gets a better stage than that in MSH.
It feels so vindicating to finally get to play these games against other FGC peeps after spending so much of my youth practicing execution by my lonesome since I managed to miss out on the PS3 port of MVC2 due to my lack of disposable income as a young'un (my childhood friend tried his best to indulge my passion for fighters back then, but Vampire Savior were the only fighter that I managed to get him to feel genuinely invested in learning, which, granted, were a pretty dang great game to pick if he had to choose only one).
True on the Switch version. I bought one first for PS4 (played on PS5). First day, matches were good and people were getting sweatier by the hour, sometimes you get a slogfest of MSP and MSS. Second day, some matchmaking delays here and there but generally still has good matches. Third day, OK we're hitting something here. I ended up watching YT videos while waiting for some matches. Then a few days later I bought it on my Switch OLED and I was like, holy sh*t matchmaking is getting fast here. I tried the others like COTA and MSH, and man I still got good frequency of matches. Granted, it'll come down soon and maybe it'll slow down on a comparable parity with PS and PC matchmaking, but still, I think Switch is where you can get more matches because of the sheer number of its casual playerbase.
I love the matches on COTA, i always think im gonna get whopped but the matches are pretty fair, usually in my favor since i already had somewhat of an understanding of the mechanics from playing some fightcade
I personaly don't have an issue that it's "just" the arcade versions, since I dunno what the console versions had to offer to beginn with, even in the Collection 2 next year, SF3 Upper is like the only exeption where I know what I'm missing out but that's only a few characters (I think) and Dramatic Battle... I know there is also a World Tour mode and shit ton of other stuff which I never played myself tho.
The only person I can think of with a similar amount of expertise of a fighting game, especially one with a huge roster, is Knee. You can almost expect Knee to make True Tekken God rank with every character with each Tekken release. And when deciding which character to play competitively, the whole roster is in his holster.
That discussion about not including console-exclusive stuff really bummed me out. I fucking loved playing World Tour Mode and [Reverse] Dramatic Battles in SFA3 growing up, and it sounds like Capcom will never release another version of the game with that stuff in it. I'm sure it'll play great in the upcoming collection, no input delay and all that, but MAN, that extra content is so fucking fun. I get it'll be expensive and take too long to develop a version that has it and is still arcade perfect, but it genuinely sucks I can't have an updated, legal version of that anytime soon.
15:22 Capcom also claims that they wanted the game to be faster, but they could have sped up the animations, As opposed to cutting out half of the frames.
Since they already allowed the cytorak glitch to be turned on or off, I wish they implemented at least a switch for MvsSF to have Hyper combo to hyper combo cancels with a single character as well.
One other thing that really hurt Tekken Tag 2 was that it had on disc completed DLC- and it was only a couple months after Street Fighter x Tekken got roasted for the same thing.
MVC2 actually just got patched, fixing the Juggernaut glitch and matchmaking problems -pretty funny how the podcasts are always just behind the news. Maybe switch to Wednesday or Thursday at this rate lol
1:11:00 guests happened in SNK Heroines before Samsho... Skullomania from Ex Layer, and Thief Arthur from Million Arthur (I guess that happened because Terry was in ex Layer and Iori was in Million Arthur)
Bloody Roar 2 secret boss Long also is a one chance and you're done fight. Uranus from Bloody Roar Primal Fury/Extreme is too, but that's because she's the boss of the survival mode.
When it comes to this collection, the arcade roms tweaked the way they did em here, was rhe best decision. However, when to comes to the alpha series (2 and 3); i rather they went with the Saturn or PSP ports.
The arcade version of SVC Chaos doesn't have a cap of how many quarters you can put in. The reason you have limited continues is cause they're using the AES rom
When it comes to TTT2 not selling enough, this is gonna be a controversial take but it reflects the challenges of 2D and 3D fighting games unable to co-exist. When Tekken first exploded in the mid to late 90s alongside other games like Virtual Fighter, Soul Calibur, and Dead or Alive, it came at the expense of 2D fighting games like Street fighter no longer being in the mainstream and heck even MK going from 2D to 3D happen in the same time. But with SF4 resurrected the fighting game genre, 2D fighting games became popular again but in the late 2000s to the mid-2010s those same 3D fighting game series I mentioned became to lose popularity and now Tekken is the only one of the big 3D franchises that manage to maintain momentum and popularity.
The Dreamcast version of Darkstalkers 3 not being on the first Fighting Collection was a deal breaker to me. Being able to play ALL the characters together was the point of the Dreamcast edition.
They completely remade vf5 for PS4. Not remastered, it was a remake, so it's valid to have skipped over that I feel. It's gotten love, it's just still just as niche as it ever was in the west
I dont think any of the kof 15 costumes were free. Terry was a preorder, leona was a deluxe edition thing, team southtown was included along with the team but the whole team was dlc... think that was it.
Justin is just built different. Those who know, know. For those who have a problem getting whooped on MvC2 might want to find another game. That or toughen up and get better. It should be a motivating factor to go up against Justin. It shows you how far you have to go.
i have a love for x-men CODA because my college roommates and i for the last two years of college had the arcade 1-up CODA machine. many a houseparty where i would whoop on people drunk with some wacky omega red stuff or colossus command grabs. good memories. will forever associate that game with good times.
I'm convinced that baring something crazy happening at Disney, MvC4 is going to happen now. The money is right there. BUT We've been here before. We got Infinite. It's nothing if there's a new Marvel and it's bad. And they've messed it up before. This is what I'm going to keep telling myself anyways. Getting excited for a dream, for what you hope for but have no input on, only leads to disappointment. My way, if it's bad no biggy. If it's good I win anyways 😁
37:51 It is a problem in Marvel 2 for the reason that Max listed. Basically you're only q that one of your teammates died if they got caught in a combo, is whatever moaning they do when they pass out, and for some characters, it's very subtle! Especially with any of the X-Men.
I pre-ordered Tekken Tag 2 and was so hyped for it. The tag mechanics were just... not fun. It's a shame, I really wanted to like it because it had so much content.
Am I the only one here who would not at all mind if Capcom made a Marvel Superheroes 2025, with every character featured up to infinite, and some new ones?
Is Tekken 6 so hated that when Tekken players wanted to go back to Tekken after Tag 2's release that they would rather go to 5 or did y'all forget the big Tekken game before Tag 2 was Tekken 6?
Triple KO with the W A Z Z L E R
So.. what does that mean, anyway?
@@Kmatt_9262 It's his gamertag
His being Justin's lol
@kevinmatta926 what do you mean what does it mean?
@daymonharris8696 did I stutter? What does it mean, fool?
@@Kmatt_9262 you're not in touch that's what it means.. play The collection and you'll see who the Wazzler is.
Sad that Justin had to miss this episode, but I'm glad they got the WAZZLER as a guest!!
Max almost broke into a Dr Suess book talkin about all the places he's played Marvel Vs
"I've played it on a boat, I've played it with a goat"
He even got kidnapped in order to play Marvel Vs.
...then again, so did Justin.
Fighting games are in such a good place and I'm glad this podcast exists to enjoy it!
I remember half a year ago when Max was joking that MVC coming back was nearly impossible, he was resigned they he did his best and it was never coming back.
We are in such a better place now lol.
Thankful for this show! makes my Tuesday fly when I’m doin my deliveries keep up the good work yall 👌
Judging from Triple KO’s timing recently I wouldn’t be surprised if Marvel 4 is teased at state of play 😂😂😂😂
Oh shit theres a state of play today? I aint even know n yo that would be hilarious😂😂😂😂
EVEN BETTER: LUNAR COLLECTION
@@brainofjtd I loved that announcement I was half hoping it would be a hd/2d remake but you can’t have everything im happy regardless
They're definitely working on it. If they weren't, they are now. This collection got coverage on CNN from the guy that's literally fixing their last game, Capcom listens. Remember, they had that survey and we're literally seeing the fruits of that. The fgc took that survey to heart after max and Matt covered it
Close. Ken and Chun are DLC in COTW.
We are in the golden age of fighting games and it’s just only beginning. I can’t wait for CFC 2
We been eating good since 2017
@@syroco Dude, we been eating good, but this year made me fat, bro.
@syroco Not me I wasn’t into fighting games much until Strive came out
The golden age of fighting games was the nineties. I don't care how good it gets, you don't understand how popular they were then. They were half of all games for awhile. Right now they are like 3% of all games.
@@Agent101g Your opinion is automatically refuted after this statement. Good day to you
Triple KO dropping their podcast right after new fighting game announcements are made will never not be funny
What was it this time?
@@vaderwalksI think Justin or Max mentioned how they want the Juggernaut glitch put back in and it got patched in
Terry dropped and heihachi's trailer as well @@vaderwalks
@@lucianopereira8798 Ah, gotcha. I didn't really register either as 'news' I guess
@@MixTwentyOne And the goat Ronaldo is in CotW
LIGHT PUNCH LIGHT PUNCH LIGHT PUNCH GET WAZZLED GET WAZZLED
LIGHT PUNCH! MEDIUM PUNCH! LIGHT KICK! HEAVY PUNCH!
We gon' need some Triple KO merch pretty soon y'all. Keep up the good work!
I still like MvSF the most. The announcer, the presentation, the hidden characters, the goofiness.
Same, the roster is so unapologetically Japanese too.
@@aegisreflector1239 It's the only MVC game with Mephisto, still, which is so nuts!
It's definitely the game I played the most
42:12 can confirm Baberuthless happy
I FORGOT how much I loved the arcade version of X-Men vs Street Fighter because of how dumpy the PS version was. That's been my hero of the collection so far.
the wazzler be wazzlin
Chun-Li from Street Fighter 3 Third Strike is a monster, but the high tier in Marvel versus Capcom 2 are fucking demons!
Man, I played the hell out of Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and I loved every second of it. Got the DLC and everything, too. Even took it to play during rainy days on the beach with a friend - we played the treasure hunt mode in co-op and it was a ton of fun... My main was Lee Chaolan/Violet.
Tag 2 came out at the wrong time. Everybody was expecting Tekken x Street Fighter to be the next game.
Lol they STILL found a way to bring up KI even in the Marvel centric episode
As a casual player, I *loved* Tekken Tag 2. It had a huge amount of characters and you could add your own custom music to it which was a lot of fun. My friend Shannon and I played it endlessly and had a ton of fun. Never knew it was so hated by pro players. Weird.
Always love getting a new episode of Triple K.O.!
TT2 had "Your Sunset" a banger song.
X-Men vs Street Fighter is the MVP
One of the Greatest Podcasts with some of the greatest ever!!! Long live Max, Justin, Matt and of course, Triple K.O.!
The TTT2 slander is crazy! That Tekken was fire imo
Ikr, aside from 5, that's the one I wanna go back to the most sometimes, I miss that crazy roster and tag mechanics
1:33 Probably Mew2King with Melee is the ONLY comparison I can think of. Seeing as he was the father of a lot of character data in that game actually being documented with him just... Buttoning down and developing an insane level of knowledge and figuring out what characters could do.
There was a Mortal Kombat collection of the first 3 games on PlayStation Network on the PS3. I only know because I used to go through the PS store every week back in the day.
I wanted to buy this collection...until i saw The Wazzler wazzling
Shame that they recorded this before the Messi in Dragonball FighterZ announcement.
What?😂
I'm sorry the what
Messi becomes Ronaldo and Fatal Fury becomes DBZ after smoking enough crack.
@@Shkodojust a joke about Ronaldo in Garou
JWong you ain't lying when you said the PS ranked matchmaking is where all the sweat lords are at 😂😂😺
Who’s ready for Marvel baby? Let’s go for a ride.
I’m on Switch and I can confirm that you can definitely find matches other than MVC2 on the collection. Literally lastnight I got a couple of matches of COTA, MVC1 and X-men v street fighter.
Ps. I can also confirm that the Juggernaut glitch update has NOT hit the Switch yet.
Pss. I can now confirm the update is out on Switch!!
Nintendo charges per update, so they’re probably waiting for another patch to combine the two to save money
@@RePlayQ damn bro I didn’t know that
OH GOD THE W A Z Z L E R
15:09 The danger room might just be my favorite stage in all of COTA. Avalon is a close 2nd, though. I think the only stage I didn't care for that much was the Savage Lands. Thank God Wolverine gets a better stage than that in MSH.
And then I remember Spiral's stage. You can break thru the floor about SIX TIMES!
1:12:07 And he did indeed lost his fucking mind
This is just the ride, the true love making is next
It feels so vindicating to finally get to play these games against other FGC peeps after spending so much of my youth practicing execution by my lonesome since I managed to miss out on the PS3 port of MVC2 due to my lack of disposable income as a young'un (my childhood friend tried his best to indulge my passion for fighters back then, but Vampire Savior were the only fighter that I managed to get him to feel genuinely invested in learning, which, granted, were a pretty dang great game to pick if he had to choose only one).
Love this show
1:00:32 wait is Smoke a gorilla because of the movie “Gorillas in the Mist”
"this art isn't included in the MVC collection museum!"
Max: "I have the original piece on my wall!"
Guys, I think I know why it wasn't in the game 😂
True on the Switch version. I bought one first for PS4 (played on PS5). First day, matches were good and people were getting sweatier by the hour, sometimes you get a slogfest of MSP and MSS. Second day, some matchmaking delays here and there but generally still has good matches. Third day, OK we're hitting something here. I ended up watching YT videos while waiting for some matches.
Then a few days later I bought it on my Switch OLED and I was like, holy sh*t matchmaking is getting fast here. I tried the others like COTA and MSH, and man I still got good frequency of matches. Granted, it'll come down soon and maybe it'll slow down on a comparable parity with PS and PC matchmaking, but still, I think Switch is where you can get more matches because of the sheer number of its casual playerbase.
I love the matches on COTA, i always think im gonna get whopped but the matches are pretty fair, usually in my favor since i already had somewhat of an understanding of the mechanics from playing some fightcade
I agree with Justin. Terry is a shoto.
I personaly don't have an issue that it's "just" the arcade versions, since I dunno what the console versions had to offer to beginn with, even in the Collection 2 next year, SF3 Upper is like the only exeption where I know what I'm missing out but that's only a few characters (I think) and Dramatic Battle... I know there is also a World Tour mode and shit ton of other stuff which I never played myself tho.
Im still on the honeymoon phase with the collection. Great online experience
This game is holding players better than f****** a lot of other fighting games that I've seen and it's 30-years-old so I'm very impressed.
The only person I can think of with a similar amount of expertise of a fighting game, especially one with a huge roster, is Knee. You can almost expect Knee to make True Tekken God rank with every character with each Tekken release. And when deciding which character to play competitively, the whole roster is in his holster.
I bought a mini fight stick just for this game lol. Switch version has been amazing so far.
I’ve been absolutely loving this collection. I hope it inspires Capcom and Disney to green light an mvc4 because man oh man I’m hungry for it now
Love marvle 1 i grew up with it on ps1
That discussion about not including console-exclusive stuff really bummed me out. I fucking loved playing World Tour Mode and [Reverse] Dramatic Battles in SFA3 growing up, and it sounds like Capcom will never release another version of the game with that stuff in it. I'm sure it'll play great in the upcoming collection, no input delay and all that, but MAN, that extra content is so fucking fun. I get it'll be expensive and take too long to develop a version that has it and is still arcade perfect, but it genuinely sucks I can't have an updated, legal version of that anytime soon.
15:22 Capcom also claims that they wanted the game to be faster, but they could have sped up the animations, As opposed to cutting out half of the frames.
Since they already allowed the cytorak glitch to be turned on or off, I wish they implemented at least a switch for MvsSF to have Hyper combo to hyper combo cancels with a single character as well.
Sonic with MK and Mang0 in melee come to mind for sure
One other thing that really hurt Tekken Tag 2 was that it had on disc completed DLC- and it was only a couple months after Street Fighter x Tekken got roasted for the same thing.
I love Fancy Gift so much
MVC2 actually just got patched, fixing the Juggernaut glitch and matchmaking problems -pretty funny how the podcasts are always just behind the news. Maybe switch to Wednesday or Thursday at this rate lol
Justin's lucky quarters aren't on the line
1:11:00 guests happened in SNK Heroines before Samsho... Skullomania from Ex Layer, and Thief Arthur from Million Arthur (I guess that happened because Terry was in ex Layer and Iori was in Million Arthur)
Justin Wong is the Professor Oak of MvC2.
Yipes is like League Champion.
Bloody Roar 2 secret boss Long also is a one chance and you're done fight. Uranus from Bloody Roar Primal Fury/Extreme is too, but that's because she's the boss of the survival mode.
Man I love Capcom Fighting Follction. It's so great. (check the description for context before it changes.)
Alpha 3 final boss fight against Bison was also a one-coin effort
When it comes to this collection, the arcade roms tweaked the way they did em here, was rhe best decision. However, when to comes to the alpha series (2 and 3); i rather they went with the Saturn or PSP ports.
The arcade version of SVC Chaos doesn't have a cap of how many quarters you can put in. The reason you have limited continues is cause they're using the AES rom
Marvel 1 and Marvel Super heroes are way better than Marvel 2
This was recorded before the patch, right? Matchmaking was fixed, and the Juggy glitch was patched back in.
I been playing the shit out of mvc collection on my switch it’s been so much fun🐊
When will the Switch get the "Juggernaut tag/score screen fix" patch?
What is the actual difference between KI arcade and snes???
Even the N64 version of killer instinct outclasses the SNES version, which is funny, because that's the console for which the game was built!
Sol Badguy for City of the Wolves!!!!
I have no clue why people wouldn't enjoy Tag 2. That game was insanely fun.
When it comes to TTT2 not selling enough, this is gonna be a controversial take but it reflects the challenges of 2D and 3D fighting games unable to co-exist. When Tekken first exploded in the mid to late 90s alongside other games like Virtual Fighter, Soul Calibur, and Dead or Alive, it came at the expense of 2D fighting games like Street fighter no longer being in the mainstream and heck even MK going from 2D to 3D happen in the same time. But with SF4 resurrected the fighting game genre, 2D fighting games became popular again but in the late 2000s to the mid-2010s those same 3D fighting game series I mentioned became to lose popularity and now Tekken is the only one of the big 3D franchises that manage to maintain momentum and popularity.
The Dreamcast version of Darkstalkers 3 not being on the first Fighting Collection was a deal breaker to me. Being able to play ALL the characters together was the point of the Dreamcast edition.
That version still suffers from input lag and missing frames of Animation
Wow the Switch version being the best is interesting
They completely remade vf5 for PS4. Not remastered, it was a remake, so it's valid to have skipped over that I feel. It's gotten love, it's just still just as niche as it ever was in the west
I dont think any of the kof 15 costumes were free. Terry was a preorder, leona was a deluxe edition thing, team southtown was included along with the team but the whole team was dlc... think that was it.
Justin is just built different. Those who know, know. For those who have a problem getting whooped on MvC2 might want to find another game. That or toughen up and get better. It should be a motivating factor to go up against Justin. It shows you how far you have to go.
i have a love for x-men CODA because my college roommates and i for the last two years of college had the arcade 1-up CODA machine. many a houseparty where i would whoop on people drunk with some wacky omega red stuff or colossus command grabs. good memories. will forever associate that game with good times.
MVC2 has been resurrected...only for the Wazzler to come and kill it immediately 🤭
Norimaro 🤣 ftw!!!
I'm convinced that baring something crazy happening at Disney, MvC4 is going to happen now. The money is right there.
BUT
We've been here before. We got Infinite. It's nothing if there's a new Marvel and it's bad. And they've messed it up before.
This is what I'm going to keep telling myself anyways. Getting excited for a dream, for what you hope for but have no input on, only leads to disappointment.
My way, if it's bad no biggy. If it's good I win anyways 😁
37:51 It is a problem in Marvel 2 for the reason that Max listed. Basically you're only q that one of your teammates died if they got caught in a combo, is whatever moaning they do when they pass out, and for some characters, it's very subtle! Especially with any of the X-Men.
Tekken Tag 2 was godlike
1:00:26 Gorillas in the Mist, I guess that’s what the devs were going for?💨🦍
You a genius
Who remembers world heroes in the arcade???
Wazzler, you menace 😂
I pre-ordered Tekken Tag 2 and was so hyped for it. The tag mechanics were just... not fun. It's a shame, I really wanted to like it because it had so much content.
Peacemaker turns into eagle? When his emblem is DOVE of PEACE???
Am I the only one here who would not at all mind if Capcom made a Marvel Superheroes 2025, with every character featured up to infinite, and some new ones?
Wasn’t expecting to hear “Match their freak” on a 3xko pod 😂😂
I agree. MvC collection was pretty much big mad, big sad.
GET
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SNK refusing to make money by making Premium Skins is insane bro.
i want to play more marvel, but terry just came out and i need to try it out aaaah f**k
Is Tekken 6 so hated that when Tekken players wanted to go back to Tekken after Tag 2's release that they would rather go to 5 or did y'all forget the big Tekken game before Tag 2 was Tekken 6?
chat they didn't get the joke that NRS were calling smoke players gorillas
I told this to Justin but he didn’t buy it: he’s a fighting game genius
Max knew
Kinda late here but Smoke being a Gorilla. Gorillas in the mist