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It would be awesome if they can add an attribute enhance System to a fighting game like a GEM for super jump, Fast Dash, fast recovery, etc. Anything that doesn't changes the frame Data of strike moves
I know I'm a casual player, but I think one of my favorite fighting games ever was Soul Caliber 3. It had a whole other game in it where you could build an army for campaigns almost like a Fire Emblem. It feels like new fighting games never have fun stuff like that anymore. It would be cool if you did a podcast talking about the best features, side content, etc you've seen in fighting games.
@@TheNeoLoneWolf funny enough, the next episode of TKO seems to be focused on single-player content. but VesperArcade recently posted a video that also nails what you're talking about. it's called "WHY AREN'T FIGHTING GAMES FUN? How To Grow Our Player Base" -- I'd recommend watching it, as it has a lot of great ideas that draw from older fighters w/those fun modes.
Justin is really starting to shine on the podcast, love to see it! His and Matt's sponsored section was easily the best advertising I've ever seen in any media given how authentic and light hearted it felt. Already adored Max and Matt's work, now Justin is definetely up there in regards to fighting game community creators. Best episode so far, please keep 'em coming! As a side note, if you ever consider guests for this podcast, perhaps jmcrofts? Liked his videos with Justin, would be cool to see him interacting with the rest of the cast.
Easily your best episode. You guys are really hitting your stride. The chemistry among the three of you was really palpable here and the nature of the topic allowed for great conversation. It would be cool to see an episode discussing your memories of arcades growing up. You touched on it a little bit here, but it would be really fun to hear you deviate a little from fighting games to talk about the general arcade experience and playing those “top floor” games.
I remember when Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid was considered poverty. It has grown so much since its initial release that I don't know if it still counts as such.
I played BftG on release for quite a while and that game was NEVER considered poverty. Niche? Maybe. A cheaper MvC? Sure. Poverty? No, I disagree with you 1000%
Rage Of the Dragons actually has a fun little story relating to King Of Fighters. What happened was Brezzasoft, which was essentially SNK after OG SNK went bankrupt, approached mexican studio Evoga to make a fighting game, namely Rage Of The Dragons, and while there the people of Brezzasoft challenged Evoga to a match of KOF98. Should Brezzasoft win, they get to design a character for Rage Of The Dragons and Evoga had to pay them $5000, should Evoga win they get to request a character for KOF 2001. What resulted was basically Evoga kicking Brezzasofts ass and Evoga then going "we want a hot mexican girl fighter with big tiddies." And that's how Angel came to be.
I can't believe Max forgot about Fight of Gods or Fight of Animals. Those are great examples of modern poverty fighting games. Jank as hell, but sick as fuck!
I went to Chinatown Fair once in 2010 and played on the very same Rumble Fish 2 cab Justin mentioned. I'm happy that he was responsible for that game being there in the first place.
@MattMcMuscles thank you for introducing me to Dino Rex!!!! This is so wild to see early 90s Taito throwing out all their stops to make a B-movie dinosaur fighter. Why did they layer such a deep plot into this?? Why are the Bonus Stages more fun than the actual matches? This is so wild. Loved the episode! Thanks for the Skullgirls shout out lol Proud to have SG on a similar standing to Melty as poverty kings 🥰
My absolute No1 fave 'poverty fighting game' series is Tobal. I was one of the few, locally, who'd heard of it and, simply put, I really enjoyed it. Then of course we have (imo) the incredible Tobal 2 with the quest mode, grapple system, innovative use of HML attacks per button, wild combo system, costume colour customisation (RGB sliders per garment), incredible soundtrack, beautiful full 3D visuals that smashed along at 60fps and, for me, created the concept of full 3D combat movement with up/down leading to the foreground/background respectively (was Soul Calibur the next game to use this? Certainly Tekken and VF didn't adopt it until the 4 iterations of each series). *Sigh* one of the greatest 3D fighters that just never was unfortunately. Now, lemme just grab my LCD laptop real quick and stoke the fire barrel...
Saw rumble fish 2 for the 1st time at a Pennsylvania con called Too many games. I played it for 10 minutes and didn't understand anything, but am VERY excited to go back and try it for another 10 mins next year!
I'm hoping that one of the future episodes of TKO will be about fighters for the Sega Saturn and NeoGeo that either don't know about or are exclusive to Japan. Like Waku Waku 7, Galaxy Fight, Sonic Council, Groove On Fight, Astra Superstars etc. There are so many fighters for the two systems that a lot of people don't know and I'd love to see if the three boys know anything about them
Its not Mugen, its another engine that the creator Kamekaze specialized into because he said its better than Mugen. TMNT x Justice League its like the King of Poverty Games, its freaking amazing. I also downloaded Sailor Moon S but theres a fan made version wich adds secret characters, more modes and rebalancing and I put it into my snes mini , amazing stuff . I also want to salute master Wong lol.
I'm so happy they brought up Melty Blood towards the end lol. I literally joined in the countdown and totally wasn't expecting us to be on the same wave length.
27:59 I love Rage of the Dragons. If there is one thing from that game that should be imported to modern KOFs, it's that they had both the neutral dodge from KOFs 94/95 as 5AB and the roll from 96 onward as 4AB or 6AB.
Very surprised to not hear Tattoo Assassins from you guys! My buddies and I used to have bad fighting game tournaments that included Bloodstorm, Time Killers, Survival Arts, etc. and Tattoo Assassins used to be the final game. Such a bad, janky, fun game!
They met because they were both contracted to make the same game without knowledge of the other version. Their booths were right next to each other at an industry event; I don't remember if it was E3 or CES.
Time Killers and Eternal Champions were probably my 2 favorite poverty games growing up. Time Killers is probably number 1 and I literally NEVER hear anyone mention it. That game was fun as hell lol.
I literally came here to mention both of these. I had a Sega CD growing up and my Dad was really annoyed at me for not getting the Star Wars game for my birthday instead of Eternal Champions as game of choice. I played so much of that game for the next six months along with Sewer Shark. Time Killers was the second fighting game I ever played (Karate Champ was first). I went to one of those Go Kart/Pool Hall/Arcade places from the early 90's and that game has a special place in my heart even though it took the very little cash I had super fast.
Mentioned but my favourite has got to be Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire, remember seeing the digitised sprites for the 1st time and thinking it was a what if Jackie Chan was in MK. As for modern games considered poverty fighters I would go to Fight of Gods and Nick All-Star Brawl.
After hearing Melty Blood being mentioned, I thought of Arcana Heart, a buddy of mine is obsessed with it but it strikes me as a very poverty type fighting game...
Arcana Heart is basically the DOA of anime fighters afaik The game is fun as hell and has a lot of depth, but you'll have to fight to beat the allegations
I remember owning Tao Feng: Fist Of The Lotus, the Genesis version of TMNT: Tournament Fighters (which I thought was trash compared to the SNES version), the Power Ranger SNES fighting game, KI1 & KI Gold. A few of my cousins had Virtua Fighter 1, Tekken 3, & even Primal Rage. Man, those were the days for me in terms of this topic. I kinda regret giving away Tao Feng back then. I'm still looking for a good copy to this day.
Eternal Champions was my childhood fighting game, and to this day, I consider Xavier to be one of the coolest characters I've ever encountered in a fighting game.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Fight of Gods and Fight of Animals, those games are true jank poverty gems. Thank you guys for putting out bangers over and over, see you in the basement for the Dong Dong nationals
I'm glad Battle Monsters got a mention. Also I like Battle Arena Toshinden. I only first played it 10 or so years ago and, yes, it's super slow and janky... but fun. I loved Duke's Southern Cross partially due to how slow it was... and the full version... can that even fully hit anyone? And I agree, has some great music. As for my favorite Poverty games... Battle Monsters and Asuka 120%. Skullgirls was also mentioned but I don't consider it poverty enough.
My personal poverty FG is Gundam Battle Assault 2. I just have one other friend who loves that game. I also like playing SVC Chaos and Neo Geo Battle Coliseum. Also I don’t know if it’s poverty, but I love Project Justice and I constantly boot it up whenever I play Dreamcast.
Just gonna list out some of my poverty games here (sorry if one or more arent poverty exactly): -Akatsuki Blitzkampf -Variable Geo -Savage Reign -Ninja Masters -Golden Axe: The Duel -Ragnagard -Kabuki Klash -Astra Superstars -Aggressors of Dark Kombat -Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer -Kizuna Encounter -World Heroes 2 -Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors -Rage of Dragons -Groove on Fight -The Rumble Fish -Inuyasha a Feudal Fairly Tail -Zero Divide -Real Robots Final Attack -Gundam Battle Assault 2 -Armed Fighter -Vs. -Psychic Force -Vanguard Princess -Big Bang Beat yeah its a reaaaaally huge list but those are some of the ones i played over the years or some that i come back from time to time.
One of my dreams is to run a tournament of all the “poverty” fighting games I own. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1, Castlevania Judgment, Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (vanilla, Ignition has a scene), Godzilla Unleashed, JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle, Kill la Kill IF, Sonic the Fighters, and the main stage event, Arm Joe.
One that I enjoy that I don't know counts as a poverty game is Yatagarasu: Attack on Cataclysm. It's pretty interesting because it takes some cool stuff like Third Strike-style parries and a mix of kind of KOF/SNK style gameplay and older Capcom gameplay. Also, Max is featured in that game as a selectable commentator in that game. Also, I have a lot of nostalgia for the old X-Men Mutant Academy and Next Dimension games.
Great and interesting topic! I'm with Justin, my favorite poverty game is Rage of the Dragons for the Neo Geo, I highly recommend it to anyone that loves fighting games.
43:18 - The reason why we never got a port of Fighters Megamix was because during that era. Sega was doing a collection of Sega Model 2 arcade ports with online support. Japan got two additional games that we never received over in the west. Which were Virtua Striker and Virtual-On. Fighters Megamix was a Saturn only game and they were not focusing on Saturn ports at the time. Would still be nice to get a port of it on modern consoles though.
The Double Dragon Neo Geo fighter was actually in Little Tokyo(J-Town) Los Angeles back in the day. I remember playing it mostly because it could be an hour wait for Virtua Fighter, MK, or SF to open up some weekends.
1:00:27 There’s a stream of Ken Lobb and DJames Goddard playing KI 2013 and Ken said throws were frowned on as cheap at the time so they didn’t include them in KI1.
I love that Melty Blood was mentioned mostly because I'm part of the community of that game, but if i have to choose my favorite poverty fighter it's gonna be Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku.
Shoutouts to Colorful Fighters. The most poverty of Arcsys' fighters that they gave no online to or separated it from the weird Subspace megaman game they attatched it to
Funnily enough Condor pitched the idea of Diablo to Blizzard thanks to the Justice League ports connection. Condor ended up being Blizzard North and they are the team behind Diablo.
Really cool episode here and loving the references to Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers 1 & 2 and Last Bronx. Used to play the crap out of those. Don't know if you could make a whole episode out of this, but maybe you guy could do a topic on fighting games BEFORE Street Fighter II? That would be a great history lesson to many!
A poverty fighter games list/discussion would not be complete without mentioning TMNT Tournament fighter. Sick Music, awesome visuals, and a surprising amount of tournaments for tournament fighter.
I remember the first Evo Japan having a fairly big side tournament for one of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting games. There's definitely a community for that game over there, both that and the other SNES Ranma fighting game that did get an English translated version back in the day.
I adore poverty fighters or just any kind of out of the way or weird fighting game. Maximum Impact, Karnov, Dengeki Bunko, Nitroplus. I love when really dedicated scenes pop around these janky games and really turn up the hype for them, it's just so special
Roughly 15 years ago? I always thought poverty fighting games meant we couldn't afford to buy games for various reasons and so we'd pirate Comiket fighting games to play. Main examples being EFZ, MBR, BBB, IaMP, SWR, Akatsuki Blitzkampf, and CRUCIS FATAL+FAKE to name a few. And some genius coders would write up some netplay executables just so we could versus online, such as mbcaster--which was derived from IaMP's caster. If you know all the games I abbreviated, then kudos. MB series eventually exploded to have MBAC on PS2, arcades, and a PC port (2007) that wasn't just sold at Comiket. Akatsuki Blitzkampf somehow managed to get an arcade port. mbcaster was for Melty Blood Act Cadenza PC port IaMP's caster had rollback netcode added some time after mbcaster's creation EFZ - Eternal Fighter Zero MBR - Melty Blood Re-ACT BBB - Big Bang Beat IaMP - Immaterial and Missing Power SWR - Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
I think there IS control stick fighting, Matt, it was Buriki One and and is a strong contender for poverty because of the Neo Geo 64 rarity. And I have fond memories of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting game, but it is 100% poverty.
Another awesome episode! I couldn't listen in yesterday and I felt empty, now I'm whole again! Jejejeje I got to say, my poverty game I think it is Psychic Force, probably nobody remembers it and for good reason, it was so bad but so good. More than anything I loved the intro theme and the main characters Burn and Keith.
Both Justice Leagues were made by Blizzard. Condor is Blizzard North. They're the ones who made Diablo. Justice League is how the two companies met, which eventually led to Blizzard acquiring Condor.
Almost makes too much sense. Sailor Moon Crystal was a thing not too long ago. You'd think they'd make a game just to ride that wave of relevance. However they should go with the Classic Anime style charm for the gane.
I'm glad you guys mentioned Rage of Dragons, I had never played it, it's great! The in game character splash is gorgeous!! Would you consider Chaos Code a poverty game? There is still a great community on Discord playing it. Should be a sequel soon.
Oh my God. My local arcade had Rumble Fish 1 and Rumble Fish 2. I remember it's little selling point where you could see your character getting more and more beat up as the match went on. I played that game and had a lot of fun. It's been a kick in the head trying to track down a copy of it to import or even emulate.
What was that Fighting game that released only in Japan and Max was playing it with the Doods? One of the character had a Vacuum cleaner, that game looks super Fun
Would Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring count as poverty? I remember trying my damnedest to get my friends to play on PS1 purely because I thought Cloud and the other FF7 characters being there was the coolest thing ever haha
I would second this! I played it late like 10+ years after, bc I was trying to catch up on PS1 Final Fantasies and Ehrgeiz caught my eye and I was like wow damn ok nevermind 😂 Dissidia came such a long way in comparison!
Okay so I just discovered this podcast But y'all need to play One Must Fall 2097 It's a dos fighting game, super basic, but really really fun It's only got two buttons, but it's got so much heart I can't stop playing it It's a game where you play as a pilot inside a mech, and your pilots stats affect like, how hard it hits, how fast it is, how much punishment it takes, but that's all independent of the moveset It's got a single player mode where you enter tournaments, get prize money and upgrade or trade your bot for different models, and you train your pilot to be better at different aspects It's 100% poverty, but I vouch for it.
Ivlove tobal #1. I played the dungeon mode for ever. The animation of the game was just smooth and seemed like the speed of moves was very realistic. I loved it so much
I love Fighters Megamix! One of my favourite games on the Saturn for sure. I made a gameplay video of it years ago and it's still one of the more popular videos on that channel.
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It would be awesome if they can add an attribute enhance System to a fighting game like a GEM for super jump, Fast Dash, fast recovery, etc. Anything that doesn't changes the frame Data of strike moves
I know I'm a casual player, but I think one of my favorite fighting games ever was Soul Caliber 3. It had a whole other game in it where you could build an army for campaigns almost like a Fire Emblem. It feels like new fighting games never have fun stuff like that anymore. It would be cool if you did a podcast talking about the best features, side content, etc you've seen in fighting games.
@@TheNeoLoneWolf funny enough, the next episode of TKO seems to be focused on single-player content. but VesperArcade recently posted a video that also nails what you're talking about. it's called "WHY AREN'T FIGHTING GAMES FUN? How To Grow Our Player Base" -- I'd recommend watching it, as it has a lot of great ideas that draw from older fighters w/those fun modes.
Justin is really starting to shine on the podcast, love to see it! His and Matt's sponsored section was easily the best advertising I've ever seen in any media given how authentic and light hearted it felt. Already adored Max and Matt's work, now Justin is definetely up there in regards to fighting game community creators. Best episode so far, please keep 'em coming!
As a side note, if you ever consider guests for this podcast, perhaps jmcrofts? Liked his videos with Justin, would be cool to see him interacting with the rest of the cast.
I would totally watch a three way stream of Matt, Justin, and Max playing poverty games. Sounds like it would be a blast.
Big yes
Easily your best episode. You guys are really hitting your stride. The chemistry among the three of you was really palpable here and the nature of the topic allowed for great conversation. It would be cool to see an episode discussing your memories of arcades growing up. You touched on it a little bit here, but it would be really fun to hear you deviate a little from fighting games to talk about the general arcade experience and playing those “top floor” games.
I remember when Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid was considered poverty. It has grown so much since its initial release that I don't know if it still counts as such.
It's still and will always be badass
Id argue maybe NICHE. But not poverty. Like Tatsunoko Vs Capcom is SUPER niche but i wouldnt consider it poverty
@@ControlShifty
TvC is poverty
That would be the SNES MMPR game. The one where Ivan Ooze is practically unbeatable because of how broken he is.
I played BftG on release for quite a while and that game was NEVER considered poverty. Niche? Maybe. A cheaper MvC? Sure. Poverty? No, I disagree with you 1000%
Not sure if this qualifies, but X-Men: Next Dimension and Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects have a special place in my heart.
I played a lot of MN: RofT. It was bad, but I loved it
Mutant Academy/Xmen:ND, they're some jank there but I still dig it.
Nobody:
Spiderman: We call that a web-slinging ASS kicking!
I loved the electric dude in that Marvel game. The poison guy was cool too
I love xmen next dimension. I played it for at least 50 hours
Rage Of the Dragons actually has a fun little story relating to King Of Fighters. What happened was Brezzasoft, which was essentially SNK after OG SNK went bankrupt, approached mexican studio Evoga to make a fighting game, namely Rage Of The Dragons, and while there the people of Brezzasoft challenged Evoga to a match of KOF98. Should Brezzasoft win, they get to design a character for Rage Of The Dragons and Evoga had to pay them $5000, should Evoga win they get to request a character for KOF 2001. What resulted was basically Evoga kicking Brezzasofts ass and Evoga then going "we want a hot mexican girl fighter with big tiddies." And that's how Angel came to be.
Lol i heard that story on Thorgis Arcade. Thats how we got Angel. Crazy af
@@emaculatej650 oooh! What episode is that I've never even heard of the channel before sounds sick
@GothamKnight-hsw4vx526430 thorgis arcade kof retrospective part 2. Yea dudes channel is fantastic imo go check him out
I can't believe Max forgot about Fight of Gods or Fight of Animals. Those are great examples of modern poverty fighting games. Jank as hell, but sick as fuck!
TRUE!!!
I thought Max and Matt were gonna say Fight of Gods at the end lol.
Fight of Animals has a Smash version coming!
I thought he was talking about Fight of Gods when he said "without offending a large group of people".
So, Justin was the reason for The Rumble Fish 2 cabinet in the Chinatown Fair. It did add some variety.
I went to Chinatown Fair once in 2010 and played on the very same Rumble Fish 2 cab Justin mentioned. I'm happy that he was responsible for that game being there in the first place.
That walk through the park story was so good
Now this I can get behind…
(Also The Fighting Game Glossary doesn’t have a entry on Poverty, and that should probably be rectified.)
that and "loose" & "tight"
In highschool, I literally brought my laptop with two DualShock 3s and play Melty Blood Actress Again with a friend of mine during lunch time.
@MattMcMuscles thank you for introducing me to Dino Rex!!!! This is so wild to see early 90s Taito throwing out all their stops to make a B-movie dinosaur fighter. Why did they layer such a deep plot into this?? Why are the Bonus Stages more fun than the actual matches? This is so wild.
Loved the episode! Thanks for the Skullgirls shout out lol
Proud to have SG on a similar standing to Melty as poverty kings 🥰
Shoutout to all the games & FG series that would have been on this list 2-3 years ago but got the recent glow up!!
Who else would totally wear a shirt/sweater/hoodie/hat with the "TKO" logo on it?
If i could get my hands on some Lethal League Blaze gear i would because that is what the TKO logo reminds me of with some FGC iconography.
100% would
NEED IT IN 5X!
I mean, duh. Triple KO shirt would be fine, too
Dong Dong Never Dies or we Riot of the Blood!
My absolute No1 fave 'poverty fighting game' series is Tobal. I was one of the few, locally, who'd heard of it and, simply put, I really enjoyed it. Then of course we have (imo) the incredible Tobal 2 with the quest mode, grapple system, innovative use of HML attacks per button, wild combo system, costume colour customisation (RGB sliders per garment), incredible soundtrack, beautiful full 3D visuals that smashed along at 60fps and, for me, created the concept of full 3D combat movement with up/down leading to the foreground/background respectively (was Soul Calibur the next game to use this? Certainly Tekken and VF didn't adopt it until the 4 iterations of each series). *Sigh* one of the greatest 3D fighters that just never was unfortunately. Now, lemme just grab my LCD laptop real quick and stoke the fire barrel...
Saw rumble fish 2 for the 1st time at a Pennsylvania con called Too many games. I played it for 10 minutes and didn't understand anything, but am VERY excited to go back and try it for another 10 mins next year!
I've never seen it I'll look for it this year
1:57 lmfao. Justin's SFX getting that hair out of a razor
I'm hoping that one of the future episodes of TKO will be about fighters for the Sega Saturn and NeoGeo that either don't know about or are exclusive to Japan. Like Waku Waku 7, Galaxy Fight, Sonic Council, Groove On Fight, Astra Superstars etc. There are so many fighters for the two systems that a lot of people don't know and I'd love to see if the three boys know anything about them
Waku Waku 7 WAS exclusive to Japan
Its not Mugen, its another engine that the creator Kamekaze specialized into because he said its better than Mugen. TMNT x Justice League its like the King of Poverty Games, its freaking amazing. I also downloaded Sailor Moon S but theres a fan made version wich adds secret characters, more modes and rebalancing and I put it into my snes mini , amazing stuff . I also want to salute master Wong lol.
I'm so happy they brought up Melty Blood towards the end lol. I literally joined in the countdown and totally wasn't expecting us to be on the same wave length.
27:59 I love Rage of the Dragons. If there is one thing from that game that should be imported to modern KOFs, it's that they had both the neutral dodge from KOFs 94/95 as 5AB and the roll from 96 onward as 4AB or 6AB.
Very surprised to not hear Tattoo Assassins from you guys! My buddies and I used to have bad fighting game tournaments that included Bloodstorm, Time Killers, Survival Arts, etc. and Tattoo Assassins used to be the final game. Such a bad, janky, fun game!
18:40 Condor, Inc. also made a little known video game called Diablo. They were later known as Blizzard North.
They met because they were both contracted to make the same game without knowledge of the other version. Their booths were right next to each other at an industry event; I don't remember if it was E3 or CES.
Time Killers and Eternal Champions were probably my 2 favorite poverty games growing up. Time Killers is probably number 1 and I literally NEVER hear anyone mention it. That game was fun as hell lol.
I literally came here to mention both of these.
I had a Sega CD growing up and my Dad was really annoyed at me for not getting the Star Wars game for my birthday instead of Eternal Champions as game of choice. I played so much of that game for the next six months along with Sewer Shark.
Time Killers was the second fighting game I ever played (Karate Champ was first). I went to one of those Go Kart/Pool Hall/Arcade places from the early 90's and that game has a special place in my heart even though it took the very little cash I had super fast.
There was so many! My pick is Asura Blade!
Obscure, arcade only, mid-90s BUT fun arcade game.
No need to thank the viewers, you guys are exactly what I want in a podcast, good voices talking about their favorite hobby
I freaking love these conversations. Wish I had friends to talk about this stuff.
I was not ready for that story at the end of this episode, I am red in the face from laughing. This is my favorite episode so far
Mentioned but my favourite has got to be Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire, remember seeing the digitised sprites for the 1st time and thinking it was a what if Jackie Chan was in MK.
As for modern games considered poverty fighters I would go to Fight of Gods and Nick All-Star Brawl.
I play it everyday on fightcade
After hearing Melty Blood being mentioned, I thought of Arcana Heart, a buddy of mine is obsessed with it but it strikes me as a very poverty type fighting game...
Everytime even think of playing that game i feel like Chris Hanson is gonna deliver me pizza.
Arcana Heart is basically the DOA of anime fighters afaik
The game is fun as hell and has a lot of depth, but you'll have to fight to beat the allegations
I remember owning Tao Feng: Fist Of The Lotus, the Genesis version of TMNT: Tournament Fighters (which I thought was trash compared to the SNES version), the Power Ranger SNES fighting game, KI1 & KI Gold. A few of my cousins had Virtua Fighter 1, Tekken 3, & even Primal Rage.
Man, those were the days for me in terms of this topic. I kinda regret giving away Tao Feng back then. I'm still looking for a good copy to this day.
Someone probably mentioned this already but Buriki One does have stick motions for moves and you move whit the buttons so theres that
Among us arena is also a fun poverty fighting game. Just bounce people up and down left and riggt
The sponsered section was so godlike, damn, you guys rock! 10/10
Eternal Champions was my childhood fighting game, and to this day, I consider Xavier to be one of the coolest characters I've ever encountered in a fighting game.
Same. I love Larcen too.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Fight of Gods and Fight of Animals, those games are true jank poverty gems.
Thank you guys for putting out bangers over and over, see you in the basement for the Dong Dong nationals
I'm glad Battle Monsters got a mention.
Also I like Battle Arena Toshinden. I only first played it 10 or so years ago and, yes, it's super slow and janky... but fun. I loved Duke's Southern Cross partially due to how slow it was... and the full version... can that even fully hit anyone? And I agree, has some great music.
As for my favorite Poverty games... Battle Monsters and Asuka 120%. Skullgirls was also mentioned but I don't consider it poverty enough.
Fight Fight Revenge was talked about a bunch on the first episode, and it needs to be talked about EVERY EPISODE.
My personal poverty FG is Gundam Battle Assault 2. I just have one other friend who loves that game. I also like playing SVC Chaos and Neo Geo Battle Coliseum. Also I don’t know if it’s poverty, but I love Project Justice and I constantly boot it up whenever I play Dreamcast.
I love battle assault 2
I was thinking about this game too! I just could not remember the title. Thx👍🏽
@@riffcrypt8438 Same! There also hasn't been another 2D Gundam game, which is crazy to me.
@@youngimperialistmkii Glad I could help! We need more people playing this.
I actually love SVC also despite it being jank
Just gonna list out some of my poverty games here (sorry if one or more arent poverty exactly):
-Akatsuki Blitzkampf
-Variable Geo
-Savage Reign
-Ninja Masters
-Golden Axe: The Duel
-Ragnagard
-Kabuki Klash
-Astra Superstars
-Aggressors of Dark Kombat
-Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer
-Kizuna Encounter
-World Heroes 2
-Galaxy Fight: Universal Warriors
-Rage of Dragons
-Groove on Fight
-The Rumble Fish
-Inuyasha a Feudal Fairly Tail
-Zero Divide
-Real Robots Final Attack
-Gundam Battle Assault 2
-Armed Fighter
-Vs.
-Psychic Force
-Vanguard Princess
-Big Bang Beat
yeah its a reaaaaally huge list but those are some of the ones i played over the years or some that i come back from time to time.
One of my dreams is to run a tournament of all the “poverty” fighting games I own. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 1, Castlevania Judgment, Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax (vanilla, Ignition has a scene), Godzilla Unleashed, JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle, Kill la Kill IF, Sonic the Fighters, and the main stage event, Arm Joe.
One that I enjoy that I don't know counts as a poverty game is Yatagarasu: Attack on Cataclysm. It's pretty interesting because it takes some cool stuff like Third Strike-style parries and a mix of kind of KOF/SNK style gameplay and older Capcom gameplay. Also, Max is featured in that game as a selectable commentator in that game. Also, I have a lot of nostalgia for the old X-Men Mutant Academy and Next Dimension games.
Shame that game has the worst online I've ever personally experienced at launch.
Dong Dong is indeed a fan made game. Its super fun to look at the making of it, just a bunch of buddys in an office, making a game XD
Great and interesting topic! I'm with Justin, my favorite poverty game is Rage of the Dragons for the Neo Geo, I highly recommend it to anyone that loves fighting games.
43:18 - The reason why we never got a port of Fighters Megamix was because during that era. Sega was doing a collection of Sega Model 2 arcade ports with online support.
Japan got two additional games that we never received over in the west. Which were Virtua Striker and Virtual-On.
Fighters Megamix was a Saturn only game and they were not focusing on Saturn ports at the time. Would still be nice to get a port of it on modern consoles though.
this is genuinely the best podcast in the fgc. best episode already.
like at this point, I need a Triple K.O X YoVg crossover where you all play these jank ass games lol.
I found it hilarious how fast everyone agreed when Justin mentioned Street Fighter The Movie lmao
The Double Dragon Neo Geo fighter was actually in Little Tokyo(J-Town) Los Angeles back in the day. I remember playing it mostly because it could be an hour wait for Virtua Fighter, MK, or SF to open up some weekends.
Asura buster and Asura blade are sick. Nice combo systems and character designs for sure
Gundam Wing Endless Duel perhaps? That game is FUEGO.
Gleam of Force 2 and Asuka 120% Burning Fest is a poverty game. Really love it.
1:00:27 There’s a stream of Ken Lobb and DJames Goddard playing KI 2013 and Ken said throws were frowned on as cheap at the time so they didn’t include them in KI1.
The reaction to the very mention of Tao Feng was beautiful 😆
I felt that one...
Not sure if it counts but shoutout to Kirby Fighters 2, genuinely a really fun platform fighter with great aesthetics and singleplayer content.
I love that Melty Blood was mentioned mostly because I'm part of the community of that game, but if i have to choose my favorite poverty fighter it's gonna be Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku.
Aggressors of Dark Combat, Time Killers, and Eternal Champions: Challenge from the Dark Side.
Shoutouts to Colorful Fighters. The most poverty of Arcsys' fighters that they gave no online to or separated it from the weird Subspace megaman game they attatched it to
Funnily enough Condor pitched the idea of Diablo to Blizzard thanks to the Justice League ports connection. Condor ended up being Blizzard North and they are the team behind Diablo.
Really cool episode here and loving the references to Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers 1 & 2 and Last Bronx. Used to play the crap out of those.
Don't know if you could make a whole episode out of this, but maybe you guy could do a topic on fighting games BEFORE Street Fighter II? That would be a great history lesson to many!
The poverty fighter from my childhood was Fighter Destiny 1&2 on the N64. A point based 3d fighter. Unique still to this day.
A poverty fighter games list/discussion would not be complete without mentioning TMNT Tournament fighter. Sick Music, awesome visuals, and a surprising amount of tournaments for tournament fighter.
Visceral memories brought to the surface at the mention of Last Bronx.
LMAO best Manscaped plug ever!
I remember the first Evo Japan having a fairly big side tournament for one of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting games. There's definitely a community for that game over there, both that and the other SNES Ranma fighting game that did get an English translated version back in the day.
Eternal Champions for Devo
Evil Zone was definitely a poverty game........and ......i......love......it!
I will take any chance I get to call out Waku Waku 7 as my personal favorite that I would consider a poverty game.
I adore poverty fighters or just any kind of out of the way or weird fighting game. Maximum Impact, Karnov, Dengeki Bunko, Nitroplus. I love when really dedicated scenes pop around these janky games and really turn up the hype for them, it's just so special
Roughly 15 years ago? I always thought poverty fighting games meant we couldn't afford to buy games for various reasons and so we'd pirate Comiket fighting games to play. Main examples being EFZ, MBR, BBB, IaMP, SWR, Akatsuki Blitzkampf, and CRUCIS FATAL+FAKE to name a few. And some genius coders would write up some netplay executables just so we could versus online, such as mbcaster--which was derived from IaMP's caster. If you know all the games I abbreviated, then kudos. MB series eventually exploded to have MBAC on PS2, arcades, and a PC port (2007) that wasn't just sold at Comiket. Akatsuki Blitzkampf somehow managed to get an arcade port.
mbcaster was for Melty Blood Act Cadenza PC port
IaMP's caster had rollback netcode added some time after mbcaster's creation
EFZ - Eternal Fighter Zero
MBR - Melty Blood Re-ACT
BBB - Big Bang Beat
IaMP - Immaterial and Missing Power
SWR - Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
Big Bang Beat was so fun, but so janky mechanically. It was like poverty Guilty Gear for me.
Great episode, I love how Matt is basicly the king of poverty games haha
I waited 1 and a half hours for you to mention it. worth it.
My favorite thing in Gem Fighter is Demetri sliding across the floor in the background on one of the stages 😊
You guys are really a fun listen. Just found your pod cast (you need to promote this more guys...) but yea loving the discussion!
Aggressors of Dark Kombat, man... I still have nostalgia moments with this game...
I think there IS control stick fighting, Matt, it was Buriki One and and is a strong contender for poverty because of the Neo Geo 64 rarity.
And I have fond memories of the SNES Ranma 1/2 fighting game, but it is 100% poverty.
Street Fighter EX3 is definitely a poverty fighter. EX3 is the BEST BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
I agree with you.
Another awesome episode! I couldn't listen in yesterday and I felt empty, now I'm whole again! Jejejeje I got to say, my poverty game I think it is Psychic Force, probably nobody remembers it and for good reason, it was so bad but so good. More than anything I loved the intro theme and the main characters Burn and Keith.
We dont talk about Double Dragon 5.... but the one Justin was talking about was dope. I played it at a camping lodge place when i was 11
I literally had to pause this video to go and look up the "Slam Master" mechanic.
I was not disappointed.
Both Justice Leagues were made by Blizzard. Condor is Blizzard North. They're the ones who made Diablo. Justice League is how the two companies met, which eventually led to Blizzard acquiring Condor.
Blizzard and Blizzard North are ostensibly the same company but they're actually pretty different, practically speaking.
PS1, Unholy War. Super underrated arena fighter + strategy game adjacent.
We had a Rumble Fish 2 arcade machine in the arcade here in Texas! People played it here! It was really fun!
Imagine Arcsys remakes Sailor Moon a la DBFZ style. That would be a full circle I'd love to see.
Almost makes too much sense. Sailor Moon Crystal was a thing not too long ago. You'd think they'd make a game just to ride that wave of relevance. However they should go with the Classic Anime style charm for the gane.
They wouldn't really have to change the engine since unlike the old anime, the Senshi do fly in the Manga/Crystal.
I'm glad you guys mentioned Rage of Dragons, I had never played it, it's great! The in game character splash is gorgeous!! Would you consider Chaos Code a poverty game? There is still a great community on Discord playing it. Should be a sequel soon.
Oh my God. My local arcade had Rumble Fish 1 and Rumble Fish 2. I remember it's little selling point where you could see your character getting more and more beat up as the match went on. I played that game and had a lot of fun. It's been a kick in the head trying to track down a copy of it to import or even emulate.
Great stuff guys. I'd have to include Bloody Roar as part of my poverty lineup for sure, but otherwise a great list and an entertaining watch/ listen.
Best manscaped promo ive ever seen
What was that Fighting game that released only in Japan and Max was playing it with the Doods?
One of the character had a Vacuum cleaner, that game looks super Fun
Fighters megamix was dope!
Would Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring count as poverty?
I remember trying my damnedest to get my friends to play on PS1 purely because I thought Cloud and the other FF7 characters being there was the coolest thing ever haha
I think every fighting game that's not street fighter, MvC, Tekken and KoF counts as poverty fighting game
I would second this! I played it late like 10+ years after, bc I was trying to catch up on PS1 Final Fantasies and Ehrgeiz caught my eye and I was like wow damn ok nevermind 😂 Dissidia came such a long way in comparison!
1: Power Moves/ Deadly Moves
2: WarGods
3: Kabuki Klash
i loved the game but was expecting advance variable geo to be mentioned! i hope one day you guys takle that one!
I had to rewind to the melty blood meme comment multiple times because that was so damn funny.
Okay so I just discovered this podcast
But y'all need to play One Must Fall 2097
It's a dos fighting game, super basic, but really really fun
It's only got two buttons, but it's got so much heart I can't stop playing it
It's a game where you play as a pilot inside a mech, and your pilots stats affect like, how hard it hits, how fast it is, how much punishment it takes, but that's all independent of the moveset
It's got a single player mode where you enter tournaments, get prize money and upgrade or trade your bot for different models, and you train your pilot to be better at different aspects
It's 100% poverty, but I vouch for it.
Ivlove tobal #1. I played the dungeon mode for ever. The animation of the game was just smooth and seemed like the speed of moves was very realistic. I loved it so much
1:10:00 one thing this triggered in my brain was that Captain America and Winter Soldier have the only team super in Infinite.
I love Fighters Megamix! One of my favourite games on the Saturn for sure. I made a gameplay video of it years ago and it's still one of the more popular videos on that channel.