Australia Premium BYD Seal Ownership Update One Week Later | Regrets?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- Update after 1 week of Premium variant BYD Seal Ownership including walkthrough of delivery experience, insurance, inclusions, exterior detailing, interior finish, glass roof and sunshades, commentary on software and infotainment system, ride quality and comfort and overly invasive advanced driver assistance systems. Summary on what I love about the car and what could improved by BYD Tom aka Tesla Tom of Ludicrous Feed in Sydney Australia January 2024
Australia Premium BYD Seal Ownership Update One Week Later | Regrets?
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 Financial Disclosure
01:34 Pre-Delivery Process
02:14 Transport to Delivery Centre
02:45 Problem with Delivery Registration
03:21 Window Tinting and Floor Mats
03:48 Comprehensive Car Insurance
04:10 Car Exterior Discussion
04:41 Key Fob Walkthrough
05:45 Low Ground Clearance
06:25 Storage
07:02 Car Exterior Details
07:33 Tyres
07:54 Ground clearance measurement
08:27 Bonnet storage
09:04 Rear of car details and badging
09:34 Boot storage
10:08 Charge Port
10:45 Piano Black
11:04 Car Interior Discussion
11:59 Interior Walkaround
12:52 Cup Holders Easter Egg
13:10 Glass Roof and Sunshades
14:34 Infotainment System, software and data discussion
15:30 Ride Quality discussion
16:37 Advanced Driver Assistance System discussion
18:09 Intelligent Cruise Control discussion
18:50 Parking Cameras and Sensors
19:15 Dashcam
20:03 Range and Efficiency
20:38 Charging
20:59 What I love about the BYD Seal
21:20 What I’m concerned about the BYD Seal
21:54 Compromises from Tesla ownership
23:16 Summary
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In summary, I love this car!
So, my gripes and questions after almost 3,000kms… I’ve sent this to my BYD rep who’s been great, but I’ve no idea if it’s been received by those that need to know. I really hope they keep in touch with me and let me know how things progress.
* Predicative Collision Warning and Automatic Emergency Braking
The first thing I do when I get in the car is to turn these features off. It is incredibly annoying that these settings are not persisted across starting/stopping the car and this is my #1 gripe.
I’m sure that these systems will improve over time and we may not even ultimately hold the desire to disable them. Meanwhile, having the car take the control of steering away from the driver involuntarily is disturbing. I’d warrant that it could even be dangerous. My understanding is that these settings are not persisted so that car manufacturers (not just BYD) are able to attain a higher ANCAP score. If that’s the case then we need to lobby ANCAP.
* Traffic sign recognition
The car often recognises the signs incorrectly. I can be on a 100km road and then suddenly it will recognise the side road speed and then start beeping at me. I think the beeping noise is extremely annoying as the car is at fault, not me. Similarly, if the car is in cruise control and is set at 110kph, then drifts to 111kph, the car will start beeping at me. Yet, it is the car in control of the speed!
Improving the sign recognition is welcomed, but being able to override the beeping AND having the car remember this setting is very important. Perhaps an option to just flash the traffic sign on the display instead of beeping would also be useful (I’ve had this in other cars).
* Beeping
If I could find a way to disable the hardware beeping at me in general then I would… I’ve been looking for a fuse...
* Tesla V3 Supercharging
I tried a Tesla V3 supercharger in Albury. It didn’t work. Worse, the car started beeping at me for no apparent reason. I’m suspecting that this is due to a protocol signalling fault (I build EV chargers!).
Apparently, Tesla V2 superchargers are ok. I’ve not tried one yet.
Having BYD vehicles work with Australia’s premium charging network is essential, particularly as Tesla are now receiving government funding to build new supercharging stations across Australia. A major selling point of buying a Tesla is the ability to charge on longer trips. On a recent return trip from VIC, I experienced 3 non-Tesla public charging failures and had to wait in a queue for 1 other. This added 1 hour on to my 9 hour journey and is a major impediment to the uptake of EVs in general. Tesla v3 supercharger compatibility is mandatory.
* Seat memory
The seat memory preferences are buried under a number of menus. The first thing you want to do when getting in the car is to apply your seat preferences. This should be possible to apply using hardware buttons, or at the very least, as high prioritised software buttons. Better still, if the BYD app identified you to the car then your settings overall could be applied.
* Voice recognition
There are a number of things that voice recognition cannot recognise, particularly Spotify. Selecting audio tracks is quite important.
* Owners and service manual
I’m surprised that this vehicle didn’t arrive with a printed Owners and Service manual. This is my first car ever without one. Should I expect one?
I’ve found this one, but again, I would have expected a printed version of it: bydautomotive.com.au/brochures/BYD-SEAL-Owners-Handbook-2023.pdf
* BYD App
It could at least have a picture of the Seal, and not the Atto when charging!
* Floor mats
I’ve had to buy ill-fitting third party floor mats. Will BYD be supplying some shortly?
I see you have some so this upsets me.
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Again, I love this car. I don’t think the above issues are big ones to fix. Even if it’s just the persistent settings issue that’s fixed, then I reckon I’ll be happy.
Thanks for the channel!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts 👍
The beeping you experienced was likely child awareness setting which can be stopped by switching off in the menu or opening a door or unlocking with the fob key 👍
I'm sure you can buy the floor mats from BYD either carpet or rubber they sell both.
I ordered a carpet set at the time of purchasing my performance model for $219
@@Cam-uo8eyNope. The beeping I’m mostly referring to is related to the ADAS.
@@Peter-vn8ueNope. My sales rep told me that no mats were available when I picked it up. Perhaps this is now an option when ordering, but I would’ve been quite likely to select the mats when ordering. Do you have a link to where the mats can be ordered now? I couldn’t find a link to accessories. At this stage, getting mats is probably still an issue, but I’ll be happy to be proven wrong.
Good on you Tom, more great content. You continue to be such a great help to anyone looking at an EV and lucky enough to tune in. Look forward to you guys bringing the podcast back.
Glad you’re enjoying it 👍
Hi Tom. Enjoy your content and very informative for those of us "across the ditch" as well. Took a Seal the same as yours (White Premium) for a test drive yesterday. Loved it! It threw us back in the seat in sport mode. Did not drive the "performance" as we want range not speeding tickets. A bit dissapointing to hear your range results so far (predominantly around town?) for an 82kwh battery. I look forward to your long distance efficency testing. That's the most important thing to me. Open road driving distance at 100km. Keep up the great work it's very much appreciated. Cheers
Pleasure! Yes I’ll have to do an open road range test to verify. I’m not going to put too much weight on this current range test given I’ve spent a lot of time also in the car with the camera rolling so the AC and other controls would have powered the battery down somewhat. Yes the majority of my trips have been short urban drives so far
Excellent review. Thank you. I’ve just started looking at getting a BYD Seal. Lots of useful information. Will definitely look in to the warranty closes.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for another great video on your Seal. Whilst there are some issues to resolve, I have no regrets after two weeks of ownership of the Seal Performance. At least hopefully all the issues can be fixed by software updates. So far I have only been in a country town and driving regional and country roads and I am keen to see what my experiences will be like when I return to my normal city life later this month. One thing for sure, my Model 3 is not a car I enjoyed driving on country and regional roads as the loud road noise is very uncomfortable for me, so I have driven it just about exclusively in the city. I was also surprised to find that my Model 3 RWD was a bit underpowered on high speed regional roads when over taking, etc, compared to the instantaneous acceleration and zippy driving I had enjoyed in the city. Needless to say, there have been no problems with lack of power in the Seal Performance 👍
Pleasure! Sounds like the P will be a lot of fun around town 🙏
Hi Tom thanks for your content on this car, I picked up mine from the great group at BYD Dandenong on 30th December, then drove it home about 350k’s total. The ICC is great on the highway, it did have a couple of issues, once it got confused and tried to follow the lane markings to an off ramp and it try diving to the far right on a bend, I then tried it on a drive from my home to nearest town, nope never again, it felt dangerous. Other than that do far I am extremely happy with the Seal, time will tell if updates will correct some of the issues.
Great to hear and congrats! I’ll be doing some more highway tests hopefully soon
Thanks for sharing, Tom,Great review😊
My pleasure!
Thanks Tom for the great content so far. Cant wait for my performance to arrive Jan/Feb.
With respect to the dashcam, theres quite a few on AliExpress WITH cable. You just needed the camera? Cable already in the Seal?
Cheers! The Aus Seals are already fitted with the cable so all you need is the DVR itself. Check out my installation vid: OEM BYD Seal Dash Cam Installation Step by Step Guide & Software Test
th-cam.com/video/E-KU7i2N0W0/w-d-xo.html
Great report Tom. After 8 months and 10k in our Atto 3 I am still glad we chose it. You seem to like 3 box sedans, we prefer SUVs because you basically get the same internal space and boot space but with a smaller footprint.
The larger battery is the only thing Seal Premium has that I would like in Atto 3. FYI we live in very hilly terrain south of Adelaide and our consumption is 16.7kWh/100km (historic figure) so our range is mid 350km but itis okay because we charge at night for 8c/kWh using 7kW box so 1.4c per kilometre!
The BYD Song L is the only potential BYD I might trade up to in the future which is another SUV.
Thanks for your honest appraisal.
Thanks for sharing your stats! Agreed the Song L looks good especially if they can sell here for a good price. Yes I prefer Sedans for their handling 😁
BYD is a CCP car and they recording my fart data and that goes directly to Xi. 😊
@@watchman835 😂😂
Great video as always
Thanks!
Well I've finally made a decision & ordered the Premium. Your videos have been invaluable with helping decide on the Seal & model. Cheers. 😊😊
Nice and congrats! Glad my videos were helpful 🙏
Another great video Tom and agree with your points, although I find the ICC to be quite good especially on highway and freeway roads. I've also had a blackvue 2ch dashcam installed with its own battery backup which acts as sentry mode for approx 12 hours. Keep up the great content 👍
Thanks! I’ll have to do a proper daytime freeway test and I agree, my SYD MEL SYD journey in the Atto 3 was quite good with ICC
Great work with the after market dashcam, I may need to look into that - I haven’t been able to find anything with side cameras though
@@LudicrousFeedThe car has all the cameras. Perhaps there is scope for BYD to eventually use them as "dashcams", similar to what Tesla does. But that said, I am curious as to why BYDs need to have a dashcam installed, next to an existing camera used for other purposes. I would have thought that video feed could also be used as dashcam footage.
@@vasil7410 Yes does seem strange to double up 🤷♂️ clearly something we’re not aware
The side repeaters probably don’t aim high enough to catch any perps though sadly. They are however great for avoiding the kerb when parking😁
@@LudicrousFeed The privacy laws in Europe are very restrictive, so if you want camera views "saved" you need to do it via a device external to what BYD supplies.
@@remakeit2628 That’s fair - even in the Atto 3 you need an external SD card to save the footage. Same with Tesla Dash/Sentry Cam where an external drive is required
Having only just recently sat in a display Seal and owning a 2022 Model Y RWD your review really highlights the stark approaches and expertise of BYD and Tesla - one is a car manufacturer with an eye on making exteriors and interiors that punch above their price, and the other is a hyper focussed software company that provides an end-to-end EV experience that’s currently got next to no competition overall.
Gee good summary 👌
Byd is a battery maker that now makes cars.
@@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298 “now”? BYD’s first production car was released in 2005, 3 years before Tesla’s Roadster production.
@@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298 they made EV cars earlier than Tesla.
Byd will eventually develop it's autopilot software. Even huawei has and is selling.
Gotta say the seal and dolphin look like really neat cars for their market/owner base. Will be interesting to see what byd are doing in say 5-10 years time from now!
Yup the more competition in the EV space the better for consumers and quality
Well BYD grew their total sales from under 500,000 in 2020 to just over 3 million in 2023, and grew their international sales from essentially none in 2020, to almost 250,000 in 2023, so it is easily the fastest growing carmaker in the world right now and will be a disruptive force in many markets in the next 5 to 10 years for sure.
MG4 was the most sold vehicle in our market in December, even beating the market leading Toyota Rav4! 622 sales almost double the Tesla Model Y and just 163 Dolphin registered. We are still waiting for the Seal which is due this month, so it will be interesting how the now cancelled rebate will affect sales of the Seal and other EV in our market.
Awesome informative review Tom.
Cheers
Great overview of your Seal. Would be good to see how you can take advantage of V2L to power some things during the night when renewables are low, on a camping trip or a blackout situation.
Yup will find an innovative way to demonstrate this 👍
The issue is the DRL keep running … a camping mode would be handy
Love the content, and I'm a new subscriber! i hope to be able to afford one of these beautiful cars soon! Have you looked into some sort of paint protection? I love using Turtle Wax Hybrid solutions Ceramic Spray coating. It's wonderfully easy to put on my I30, and can be had for about $50 from Autobarn, Supercheap Auto etc!
Ok noted, I’ll see how I go with the paint - it looks pretty good as it is
Great review Tom. 👍 Enjoy.
Thanks, will do!
Hey Tom, great video! Thanks for the detailed summary and thoughts on the BYD.
I was tossing up between the Tesla Y and BYD Seal. I understand they are two different car models, so they're not directly comparable like the Model 3 vs Seal.
But keen to hear your thoughts on Tesla Model Y vs BYD Seal. Want to hear about your driving experience and the different features each car has e.g. dog mode, camp mode or sentry mode on Tesla. And other features on the BYD.
Thanks in advance :)
I'll be doing a comparison with the Model 3 and Seal soon ... there I will discuss some of the differences that may transfer across to the Y. If you like road tripping then there's nothing like the Tesla Supercharging network and that's why at this stage, the Model Y remains our family car
Do both reverse lights work on these cars or just one?
Thank for your honesty Tom!! Finally , did you try the Ian options recommended to mute the beep adas alerts?
These options:
1) Lane alert- choose "Vibration"
(To feel just the rumble and no beeps)
2) Speed recognition, Go to "Intelligent Speed limit
(To see flashing the speed limit sign icon on the sceeen , and no beep alerts)
Also, it would be great to check if the retains/saves them once you turn it off/on again.
Thank you very much
Thanks! Yes the vibration option is retained for Lane Keeping so that’s not too bad
The TSR requires at least one of the options to be selected unfortunately
@@LudicrousFeed yes , you need One option activated so this is the way:
TSR
- Intelligent Speed Limit Control (ISLC)-- ON
- Intelligent Speed Limit Inforlation (ISLI) -- OFF
If you do this , once you pass the speed limit, the speed sign icon Will blash for few seconds on the screen, but the Beep alerts Will dissapear. And also, this option Will be retained!!
This, And activating VIBRATION in Lane Assist is the perfect combination worthiest! As Ian said, we can stop All annoying beeps without taking of any fuse.
@@Andrew-Night Vibration is retained for LKA but sadly ISLI (the third option) always returns to ON for your next drive 😕
@@LudicrousFeed ooooh really??
I thought that, enabling One option ON ,"Intelligent Speed Limit Control" (ISLC) , Would allow us to save ISLI Off forever ....
What a pity...(Ian did not say anything about this when It is ..a critical thing regarding the beeps)
So well Tom...keep us tuned if any future new from BYD brings an Update which fix this...
In TSR menú, Enabling One option ON should be enough to keep users able to let the rest off ...
If you know something new about this, please let us know.
Here in Spain, BYD did not confirm yet when they Will delivery the mu premium Seal...whising to receive any call during this week or the following
@@LudicrousFeed oh God! So I was right , wasnt I??
The target here is retaining the ISLI OFF
So, to accpmplish this purpose we must enable : "Intelligent Speed Limit Control" (ISLC)-- ON
(ISLC ON just Will show us speed limit signs flashing on the screen)
Definitely, ISLC ON...is the key, Keeping ISLC -- ON Will allow us to retain ISLI OFF
ISLI is the option that makes the annoying beeps alerts, so , in summary:
- Lane Assist - vibration
- ISLC ON
- ISLI OFF
these three options Will be retained forever avoiding us to suffer all those annoying beeps.
Thanks for the great videos. How is the acceleration in your car? I'm coming from a VF SS Commodore and trying to choose between the Premium and Performance. Again thanks for all the helpful content.
0-100 in 5.9s
Acceleration has the ever slightest of lag when compared to Tesla Model 3 which is basically instantaneous
- but fast enough at traffic lights 😁
Thanks. I'm a slightly reformed revhead who would love the speed of the Performance version but am having trouble justifying the extra cost.
hi mate, love the channel...I'm waiting on my seal... could you recommend a wall charger I can purchase for the seal to hook up at home. thank you mate.
Sure! I’ll do a home charging video soon but I have a combination of the Tesla Wall Connector Gen 3 and Wallbox Pulsar Max (one of my sponsors). I can also recommend the Ocular range from EVSE - check the video description for discount codes
Hi, I've been enjoying watching your videos.
Congratulations!
I would like to ask you a question, if you won't mind.
In your opinion, will this car scrape its nose when entering a garage that has a ramp?
In relation to model 3 has it less height to the ground?
Thank you.
Thanks!
With the aero dampers, the ground clearance of the Seal is lower than Model 3 and yes there is a chance it will scrape a sloping driveway
Great review, thankyou
Cheers 👍
Hi, love your reviews.... after driving the seal premium more than 1 month is the low ground clearance a problem? Thk you
The aero dampers scrape my sloping driveway but it doesn’t affect the hull nor the traction battery
I’ve never otherwise scraped it driving in the real world
Thanks for the genuine update and review. Our country (Trinidad and Tobago) have began offering it in our market. Im seriously thinking of buying one. We do have a dealership that offers Tesla but it’s only on order. Love the Seal
Pleasure! Definitely worth checking out
Thanks Tom for the excellent videos. Looking forward to seeing road trip data and use of the supercharger network. Im also interested to see how Byd Australia handles customer support/warranty if any arise in the future. Also interesting to see how the glossy black exterior bits hold up over time.
Stay tuned! Will document as much as I can 👍
I'm apparently the lucky one that has faulty off ship BYD Seal, currently my Seal looks more like an Atto 3 - as thats what they have loaned me, as waiting on China to respond with what's wrong with it.
@@azzanz what’s specifically wrong with it? 🤔
@LudicrousFeed The next day after pick-up when I turned on the vehicle, it was flashing power system failure, then ADAS unavailable. I turned off and on, and no issues and fine. Next days same power system failure message, but this time showing other icon failures. Every time you'd turn off and back on it would then say car is OK. Then when driving, locally thankfully, car put itself in neutral and put on hazard lights and stopped. I had to get towed to Sutherland.So far, they don't know what's wrong with it, with logs being sent to China for review.
@@azzanz Yikes that’s very unfortunate but faults do happen with cars, even Teslas haha!
Keep us in the loop 👍
Thanks Tom!
Pleasure!
Thank you Tom for your comprehensive reviews. A friend is awaiting delivery of his Seal in late January & he's promised me a road trip......but I'm already sold & will put an order in thanks to your reviews 👍👍
Awesome! You’ll enjoy it 👍
Hi Tom, fantastic video onece again as I am waiting for mine to arrive, however a little disappointing with some many issues people are reporting and continue to do so regarding the driving safety bugs, but in my view the car needs some very urgent updates to make it what it needs to be otherwise it has no safety star rating that is working as you have pointed out. Also some people having issues with the Navigation voice that is not working can you provide some feedback on that and I would like to know how did you find the seating memory buttons setup and configuration?
Haven’t tried the Nav with voice yet but tbh I usually use Waze. The seat memory function works well but it would good if it was a shortcut or even better attached to a Profile that was easily accessible
Tom the should be 2 buttons on the chair as advertised for the seat memory otherwise its a useless having a shortcut on the screen for the obvious reason. Can you verify that on your seat please
Can’t see the physical seat memory buttons unless I’m looking in the wrong place. Can’t see it on the door either 🤷♂️
BYD can definitely add more functionality to the app, for example need to add dog mode at least given you can start the air conditioning already via the app, they also need to look at some level of charging control. You can drive the car around without taking the key, but you need to open the app and unlock the car, not as easy as the Tesla but still good.
Agreed, a lot more improvements needed
awesome video! I hope BYD will continue to be a fierce tesla competitor so better product will be made from both companies :)
Well said, competition produces better results for consumers in the long run 💪
Wow that's a long video. Thanks for effort
Pleasure! There was a lot to cover 🙏
Just got the performance absolutely keen for it to arrive
It can’t come soon enough🏎️🏁🥳
i have taken the badges on the right side of the boot off both the smaller BYD and the Seal and the car looks so much better with just the Big in the middle of the boot
Yeah that’s on the short list for me
Amazing video Tom
Thanks!
Very informative review thanks tom. Following along with your BYD journey. Is there no way to schedule charging through the app? I find this is one of our most frequently used functions on the tesla app to take advantage of off peak rates , solar etc. We would normally plug it in on return home and then schedule it to charge overnight through the tesla app.
Not current through the app but you can schedule charging from the car
Tom regarding the suspension, how It works? IS It confortable?
The Seal Performance AWD Suspensión (530cv) has electronic functions depending while Driving It changes , soft or sportive.
Regarding the Seal premium (313 CV) RWD, the suspension is not electronic, It offers just One function same always, and , do you find It rígid/hard? Confortable ?
I Hope It is confortable , I prefer a softly suspensión for daily drives
Have you ever driven a Model 3 Highland to compare the suspension with BYD premium suspension?
Thank you so much again
Good question. The suspension is supple and gentle more so than any Tesla Model 3/Y I’ve driven thus far. Stay tuned I’ve got a video comparing the suspension and other features between Seal and Model 3 Highland
Hi Tom with the rear badges I wonder if just the “Seal” centred would be the way to go. Ditch the rh side lower BYD badging. Quite like this look on the latest Golf’s etc. you have a very nice terrazzo garage floor! The Seal is certainly stylish.
Thanks for the suggestions, I’ll give this some thought
This was the treatment for my garage floor: MODEL 3 GARAGE FLOOR EPOXY COATING WITH FULL FLAKES | Australia 2022
th-cam.com/video/jEMQTpK9GCY/w-d-xo.html
You have to pull it twice because there will be two latches - like all front opening bonnets there is a secondary safety latch.
Most bonnets have a little lever on the bonnet leading edge you open, but in this case it’s done by a second pull on the lever.
Yup makes a lot of sense - don’t want the bonnet to fly up when you’re driving - could have fatal consequences
@@LudicrousFeed I can from experience tell you it’s a whole lot of not fun…
Th double pull latch is normal for me after owning BMW's.
I’m surprised about the charging location since it is a copy of the M3. Lots of features and good to see the level of quality of the interior.
That’s the one drawback … I wish it was on the left side but as more V4 superchargers are rolled out, it should be less of an issue given they have a longer cable
Tom in the BYD Atto 3 handbook/manual, its recommended that the battery be charged to fully, 100 percent at least once a week and is similar in the BYD Seal handbook/Manual on p92
from the BYD Seal handbook:
During daily use, please fully charge
the vehicle on a regular basis (at least
once a week), and fully charge it from
a low battery level (
Yup very sensible advice presumably for BMS calibration similar to Model 3/Y LFP
You can lock and unlock the car with the APP. It just does not have vicinity detection. Also, you can just have the key fob in your pocket and push the button on the door handle.
Yup, keyless entry 👍
As the car got dash cam ? Or any other cameras ?
Great review
Thanks! Check out my installation of the OEM Dashcam for the Seal: OEM BYD Seal Dash Cam Installation Step by Step Guide & Software Test
th-cam.com/video/E-KU7i2N0W0/w-d-xo.html
Hi Tom, thanks for the detailed video reviews, very helpful, as I'm considering the BYD Seal Premium and had few questions for you...What home EV charger / wall-box do you recommend for the BYD seal? I have solar panels and want to make sure I get the right setup for my garage. And what is the name of the device you mentioned in another video for the dashcam addon...and where can I get this from? Many thanks again!
I will do a full review of my home charging set up very soon so stay tuned. I currently have 2 chargers: the Tesla Gen 3 wall connector and Wallbox Pulsar Max (channel sponsor) which utilises excess solar
Check out my full Dashcam installation guide which will have full details: th-cam.com/video/E-KU7i2N0W0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you!@@LudicrousFeed
Great work SealyTom as usual. I'm not completely sure but I think you are saying that if you had the choice between M3 Standard and Seal Premium you would take the Seal Premium. Am I correct? Or are you buying both?
Thanks! More than likely I’ll cancel the Model 3 - I’m enjoying the Seal 🦭
Thanks Tom. What length type 2 to type 2 do you recommened? Should I get longer to be safe? I think they have 5m, 7m, 10m on Evse.
I think I have a 5m cable and it has been adequate for almost all situations thus far. My code: TESLATOM will get you 5% off store wide at EVSE Australia 👍
Tom, thanks, have you compared the speedo against a accurate gps. What % error + or -. As this will affect the speed warning accuracy.
Check out my first drive video: My first Premium BYD Seal Drive Impression in Sydney Australia 2023
th-cam.com/video/V9fUbyjlU-A/w-d-xo.html
The Waze GPS is consistently 3kph slower than the car’s speedo … if you consider the Waze readout accurate. Had a similar discrepancy with the Atto 3
Great Review Tom, I also have a BYD premium Seal and find it a very comfortable car to drive. In regard to charging at home and V2L / V2H, do you have any plans to look at the new Quaser 2 charger from Wallbox when it comes to Australia this year (hopefully) and how it works both as a charger for the Seal and V2H if possible?
Stay tuned, I’m in close discussions with our channel sponsor Wallbox to test the Quasar 2 when it lands in Aus
Thank you for the review.
At the start of the video you note that Koba Car Insurance is a sponsor of your channel, yet you explained in the video that you insured the BYD with NRMA. Do we read anything into that?
At the time of the video, KOBA’s EV product was not launched yet
What a long and informative video. Was listening intently. I personally wouldn't go for the Deal as I'm an suv kinda girl so patiently awaiting the Seal U as Atto 3 is too garish for me. Csnt wait for hot westher test on the sunshade and how quickly those ventilated seats can cool.
Thanks! Sadly the Seal U will only come to Australia as a PHEV and not BEV 😭
Hi great video! Can you talk about the maintenance cost, insurance cost and stuff like that? Cause no one seems to be talking about it.
Thanks! I did mention insurance costs at the start of my 1st delivery vid: Premium Trim BYD Seal Delivery Day Experience Sydney Australia 2023
th-cam.com/video/quC_5gzj8sk/w-d-xo.html
Also check out the offical BYD Automotive AU site, they will have the most up to date maintenance costs and warranty terms listed
@@LudicrousFeed oh okay thanks really appreciated for the reply. I’m planing to buy one or might wait for the seal u later on this year so I want to know more about the cost and your channel is really good!
i love that u get aurora white color, just like mine
make me more confident with my choice😂❤
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I also had some concerns about the ground clearance. The Australian brochure (and the NZ one) gives the ground clearance as 145mm. However many reviewers and brochures from other countries have it as 120mm. I contacted BYD Australian office and they assured me that it really was 145mm. I did what you did and went to a experience centre and measured the ground clearance. As you said, at the rubber protrusions in front of the front wheels it was only 120mm which is very low. As I sometimkes travel on unsealeed roads, this was a concern for me. It is a shame because it is a very appealing car. On a more positive note for Seal owners , reviewers generaly quote the price of the Tesla 3 RWD as $61900, and the Seal Premium as $58798 giving a saving of $3102. The true saving is actually $4902 because Tesla charge $1400 delivery fee and $400 order fee while BYD do not charge these fees
Just had a look at the plastic parts designed for aerodynamics … on initial inspection it wouldn’t be too hard to remove: seems like a few nuts/bolts and plastic clips. Happy to be corrected
@@LudicrousFeed The brochure should have a ground clearance of 120mm. You shouldn't have to modify a new car to match the advertised dimensions
@philipkeane3238 I've had to pretty much move away from purchasing a Seal due to the front bumper clearance heading into my driveway, at the critical join between the bitumen part of the driveway which is about 4 metres leading from the public road sloping down to the concrete of my driveway, the clearance at the leading edge of the bumper - the shiny black bottom part is only a couple of centimetres with the vehicle fully unladen and the driver out of the vehicle. I'm guaranteed to damage the underside of the bumper. Placing a plastic or steel riser at this junction is unlikely to work, and the gate is close to this junction with almost no clearance under the gate for adding something.
Expensive driveway work is probably the only real fix and negates any saving by purchasing a Seal. I'll have to bring a Tesla 3 Highland home to carefully test. But I only need a few more centimetres clearance to feel safe traversing my driveway. I think the Model 3 will give me that extra height.
The overall chassis height above the road of the Seal may also be an issue on some unsealed roads and sandy undulating "tracks' where most other vehicles are probably fine, as you allude to. I'm not into off-roading but would like to carefully drive a Seal on some minor unsealed roads and occasionally "potholy" roads, where most non-mudrunners are fine.
Pity as I was almost certain to purchase a Premium or Performance to complement our Atto 3. So may end up with a Tesla and Atto 3 instead if 2 BYD's.
The Performance Seal blew me away when I drove it the other day. My wife's eyes hurt from the acceleration! LOL! She used to complain about my WRX back around 2000. That was lame compared to the Performance Seal. 😁 But I'm far from a hoon, so the power would be mostly wasted on me - and I want to keep my licence.
Tom, can you share a photo of the plastic speed bump on your driveway? Looking to install one and am currently looking for guidance and reference. Thanks!
PS I’m a fan of your channel from Thailand.
Looks something like these: www.bronsonsafety.com.au/premium-large-modular-speed-humps?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtOmsBhCnARIsAGPa5yaZe925a6IncFXAz6S7SA-g0Xq2--1QNhTgDVWs6RSaGfuGn_s_YB8aAk5dEALw_wcB
@@LudicrousFeed thanks, Tom. Much appreciated!
Thanks for the video. Got my Seal Premium 3 days ago. It is a very nice car to drive, but I did have a problem today when I was driving on multi lane highway on cruise control. The car suddenly braked (I think it slowed from 100-90 quite quickly) when I was in between a big truck on my left and another car on my right. Fortunately I took over quickly and reaccelerated. This was on 1.1 ( 13.1.33.2310180.1). Have you or anyone else experienced this?
Congrats! What ADAS settings did you have on?
Hi from France…great video!😊😊
Thank you! 😃
Thanks Tom.
Turn off #1 is the keyfob. (I hate them). Did you say there is a way of NOT using it, ie: phone only?
(We are still totally in love with our stealthy M3P, now 4.2 years old.)
Edit: re the key fob, I see you cover that right at the end. I repeat that I hate keyfobs, so that is definitely a HUGE fail. Cheers
Happy to stand corrected but you can’t start the car with the app. In Aus the app/phone can’t be added as a card in the Wallet but apparently in other markets it is possible so … there is hope for AU
Hi mate, it's amazing how the options on what you receive with the car are so different in each country, here in Thailand when you take delivery insurance is given the BYD for a year for free floor mats are included here in Thailand.
Free insurance for a year! Nice 👌
@@LudicrousFeed Yeah man !!!
.. and a free ABB home charging tower + screen film. As an aside, I can confirm the glass roof gets very, very hot to touch in direct sunlight on 35° + days and the supposed silver lining does nothing to the significantly compromised cabin temperature even with the air con at max.
@@Wok124 I did my window tinting with a ceramic filming coating, from glass 40%, rear 60% and panoramic roof at 80% and even with the hot days here in Thailand at 35 degrees+ the roof is only warm not hot.
@@seanf3255 thanks for the feedback.. that gives me hope. Am looking at Autozkin Nano Ceramic Supreme Series (front windscreen 60/sides and roof 80) but if you can recommend anywhere in BBK, I'd be interested. I have 80% ceramic on my RS3 sunroof and even it gets hot so I definitely want to do my homework.
Excellent!
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I suspect that plastic strip under the bumper will conveniently remove itself when you go to a carpark with those sleeper things in each park - they're usually just the right height to catch low bumpers ;)
Yes I wouldn’t be too upset if it fell off. Although if it wears/shaves enough of itself off over time then it shouldn’t catch anymore after a while 😆
Great video 👍
Thanks!
Look forward to you taking the seal on country roads (take kids to Dubbo Zoo). With luck might meet you at EV SHOW. Happy motoring!
Thanks! We’ll see where the Seal ends up 😁
9:40 the rear badging is 100x better than having the naff "Build Your Dreams" written across the back. That was always a massive turn-off for me. This is much more "normal".
Yeah for sure, I don’t mind the BYD initials on the front and back
"Build Your Dreams" may seem a little much on an ATTO 3 but on the BYD HAN it is perfect and an inspiration.
I like it but you will pleased that the new gen BYD the BYD SONG L does not have it even in China. The BYD SONG L will make BYD the number one car company on the planet. They already just surpassed TESLA on NEVs with 6 Million vehicles delivery half of which are pure EVs. BYD SONG L is out now in China and will slowly come to different parts of the world over the next two years.
i don’t like “normal” so i don’t mind “Build Your Dreams”
Hi Tom, I probably missed it on previous videos but is your Seal the base one at around $50k or the mid range at $60k? I know it’s not the top spec as there is no 3.8 badge at the back. Cheers.
Mid-spec “Premium” variant which I paid sub $60k driveaway (with NSW subsidies). It’s in the title of the vid 😉
Hi Tom, I wish I can get your opinion about windscreen protection on the moonroof, I am thinking to get windscreen protection PPF 'special for winscreen' to put on will cost me around $1500, is this worth it? did you have experience with hail along with your previous Tesla cars? Thank you in advance
I’ve never applied any windscreen protection in my Teslas
Thx for the video, I wish we had the chance to purchase BYD or nio car here in Canada, I really like the design of Nio , but why BYD, not Nio ? Don't Australia have nio as well?
I don't have a ev currently, still I don't think ev ,yet, do have a 2021 suv gasoline, the distance to work and the charging time , ev isn't for me yet, but would love to see an nio on the way to Canada some day
We don’t have NIO yet in Aus
Hopefully you’ll get some more options in Canada 👍
Hey Tom. If you had a choice. Would you buy the new model 3 RWD or the BYD Seal premium.
I’ll do a detailed IRL comparison soon (I already have an “on-paper” video). As I’ve said many times through the comments, it depends: if this was my very first EV with no other backup, EV or otherwise and I take regular long drives in Australia and I had the budget, I would choose the Model 3 based purely on ease of the Supercharger network. This opinion is based on information current to Jan 2024
100% agree with your points. There should be no reason why BYD can't create a sentry system for their cars. They have the cameras, just need the software.
Yup, they have to up their game!
BYD is from China. It’s the safest country in the world. I guess this could be the reason the overlook the need for a sentry system
They can’t do sentry mode. It doesn’t got what it takes.
@@andreasl4507 such as what?
Coming from ICE cars. We are leaving a F90 M5 Comp (keeping it for life) and wanted a Model S or X but being Australia no dice. Now yes we are going down to a much more affordable car, but it’s just what we want to try an EV for daily. We tried the Taycan but just didn’t like the drive (also a 992 Turbo S owner). We drove a Model 3 Long Range, and a BMW i4 M50 and we will be trying the Seal Performance. We sat in one and noticed that the leather amongst other trim was so shiny. Would you think it’s even worth the drive? Leaning towards the BMW as I hated the Teslas autopilot, it fights you non stop versus BMWs which has been flawless in the M5. Would you chose this over a Model 3, for overall comfort and performance?
The Seal is definitely worth a look. Suggest watching my comparison with the new Model 3: 2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD Highland Update vs BYD Seal Premium Australia
th-cam.com/video/YAaKVAST3w4/w-d-xo.html
Understand that this is probably really specific to my needs. I live in Canberra and I'm looking to replace our other ICE (already own a Model Y). A non-Tesla EV should be enough to take me to the Campbelltown SC's, but that site has got really high speed bumps and scratches even Model 3's I hear. That might be an issue for the Seal. Another issue you pointed out is the location of the charging port for SC's. I will have to block another SC bay as the last bay in Campbelltown is not next to an non-charger. Overall, good review! I think it's a good car for the right person.
I’ll have to check out Campbelltown to document your concerns … blocking another stall is not an issue if it’s not too busy and I’m in the car at the time - I’d be happy to move if required
Did the car come with the type 2 cable and how long is it? Looking at a BYD Seal Performance in the next few weeks.
No the car doesn’t come with the Type 2 cable. Suggest using my coupon code: TESLATOM for 5% off site wide at evse.com.au for all charging accessories 👍
Thanks for another informative video Tom. Would you know how/if rear air vents can be closed off whilst leaving the front vents on?
I've had the seal for 2 weeks and picked up with software version 2310 (where they stopped the ability to sideload apps using the USB method) and haven't had any issues with the LKA so hopefully it gets better for all owners from here onwards with further OTA updates.
Most of my drives are on the m4 and am loving the ICC function so far.
Glad you’re enjoying the Seal! Good point about the rear vents … I’ll have to investigate
I think that is an air curtain on the bottom of the car, makes the wind go around the wheels
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I like my seat height almost all the way up so I have better road vision over the front of the car, however when I do this my head is very close to the visor cross car beam. Compared to the M3 I don't have this issue.
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I almost spat my drink out when I heard about lane control assist being dangerous and was steering you into oncoming traffic. That's a massive red flag. How are companies like this even allowed to start selling one single car before they fix their software that is trying to kill you? It doesn't matter if you can turn it off, it's on by default and they should be held accountable for their lousy software BEFORE they can have permission to sell not after. Just because they have over the air updates shouldn't give them a free pass.
Others have also experienced the same unfortunately and yes it needs to be fixed pronto
I would have baught the Seal largely based on what you've said which covers all of my requirements but unfortunately i already purchased the BYD Atto 3... Based partially on your feedback..
The Atto 3 is a solid purchase 👍
All cars have their shortcoming’s, however Tesla seemed determined to add them to their new Model 3 instead of iterating for the better, good to see a real contender for the 3. Also many thanks for removing the Subscribe watermark, much appreciated.
Pleasure! Good to see my content being viewed on big screens 😁📺
Curious to see how you like a heads up display ? I would be reluctant to buy a car without one.
Yeah locking the HUD 👍
I like the instrument cluster screen too.
Hi Tom, I have the byd seal premium as well but I have been having issues with unplugging the charger from the car. We just use the normal charger to normal power point. The manual said that I have to press the unlock button on the key fob then unplug the charger easily. However this has not been the case. The charger was stuck and unable to be moved. What we have been doing is turn off the power point then the charger is easily pulled out. Is this the right way to do it? Cheers
The other thing you can try is to press the unlock button on your driver side door handle?
Thanks Tom
You talked about NRMA insurance cost you sub 2k - I have been looking for insurance on a model 3 and I’m getting quotes over 3.8k. Is insurance cheaper for BYD than Tesla? Or is insurance in Vic just ridiculous?
AFAIK Insurance varies between circumstances particularly factors such as location, age and driving years
- my Seal premium was very similar to that of my previous 2023 Model 3 RWD
The US automakers would go belly up if BYD is ever allowed to sell here.
Can you imagine.
I have really wanted to (because I hate getting locked into an eco-system), but struggled to move to an android (Google) phone because I am so adept to the Iphone menu/IOS software system. I've tried and got bored of trying. I wonder if your Tesla software system is the same and will continue that way?? Keep us posted. Great videos mate. I am firmly in the market for either of these so watching with a keen eye.
I hear you and having used Apple since the iPhone was released and similarly with Tesla, it will take me some time to get used to Android but I’m willing to persist … I don’t give up easily 😁
Can’t wait for the Seal U
Just put an order in for the seal performance, did you drive both?
Would you say the performance is a massive difference between the premium?
If you need the speed 😁
I’m hoping to do a comparison in a later vid so stay tuned 👍
@@LudicrousFeed will do :)
This may have already been asked, but do you feel you'll do a Model 3 Highland vs Seal comparison?
Yes I’ll do one soon so stay tuned
Thanks Tom, very interesting info. Can I ask why you have both a Tesla and the Seal ? Are they not very simular ? I’m in the market to buy one of these EV s , so which would you recommend ? At 77 years , and in Perth, I will not be breaking any long distance records, Cheers.
We have the Model Y which is different because it’s an SUV and primarily our family car we take for road trips - the Supercharger network is second to none in Australia currently
Compare the voice comma ds Vs Tesla, I think it responds better and intuitively over model 3
That’ll be a video worth doing re: voice commands
Thanks Tom....nice to hear. I thought the Seal would have a dashcam feature since the Atto 3 does and can't you use your phone as a key similar to Atto 3?? This is supposedly marketed as the next generation of their product line so would have thought the dashcam & phone as a key would come across unless it's needing a software update to make that happen.
I don't believe the Atto 3 can use a phone as a key in Aus but happy to be corrected ...
Although in other markets apparently eg. China and Brazil, digital NFC is being offered
@@LudicrousFeed I was sure I watched another TH-camr who owns one test the three methods for a key and one of them was with the Phone as a key. I think he is based either in Melbourne or Sydney as well as he went snowboarding in one of his videos using his Atto 3 to get to the ski hill.
@@LudicrousFeed Update to my last comment reply. Confirmed with a friend who owns an Atto 3 yes you can use the phone/App as a key for the car.
@@TassieEV ok, so as a digital NFC key where you can walk up to the car and it will unlock and you can open immediately? or is it more that you can unlock the car from the app?
Does the sunshade stay flush against the ceiling while driving with windows open? Or does it flap in the wind?
The sunshade was stable during my drive, no rattling: BYD Seal valet parking at Hotel InterContinental Sydney staycation
th-cam.com/video/9GzwImstJGs/w-d-xo.html
Haven’t done a wind test yet but I rarely drive with the windows down
Lovely car, far far too much piano black, storage, hmm, less than Tesla. As a first version it is wonderful. Comfort sounds great. I think I’d wait, if I was in the market, for a second version. Thorough and honest review which is the hallmark of Ludicrous Feed, great it comes with sunshades, Tesla should do the same. I now use Vion shades in my Model 3 LR. I like the design, but I do think BYD software and safety devices needs to be much improved. Great review, thank you.
Pleasure! Agree with your comments, there are a lot of good things about the car but of course a lot of limitations also.
You can add your key to appla wallet and samsung wallet at least here in brazil. If it is not available there provably it will be available in the next update
Let’s hope the update makes its way to other markets
While the car is so new its very possible to get that 2nd byd badging removed that you dont like. Either DIY or some car/paint shop could probably do it easily! If so doing it early as possible so the paint underneath is exactly the same condition etc. I would do it tbh would look much cleaner and make more sense!
Makes sense, thanks for the tip 👍
Not a popular question I bet. I am interested in getting the karaoke mic. Does your seal have the charging base for this mic inside the cubby box?
Great question actually! I don’t mind a bit of karaoke myself 😁🎤
Sadly no charging port in the centre box
Do you know how the width of the rear seats is compared to a tesla model 3? I have 3 kids and they barely fit in m3 with car seats. Do not want a model y!
I’d need to get the tape measure out
2 large sedan vehicle( same make ) s I EV 1 petrol engine road trip Melbourne - Sydney showed at end of road trip the petrol vehicle was cheaper to run $$ without compromise ie aircon, wind conditions, etc
Would be good to see some stats on a spreadsheet
Hi Tom, I have just picked up my seal performance. How long did you wait for the first 500mb of data?
Congrats! From memory about 5 days?
Would BYD offer free update of the ADAS system relating to Lane assist in the future?
Yes some owners have already received an update which reportedly has improved things. I’ll get an update soon when I bring it on for my 3 month free service which I’ll document on the channel 👍 stay tuned