9MM VS .40S&W VS .45ACP Federal HST Gel Comparison Test
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- What’s up guys. Today I’ll be comparing the 147 Gr 9MM HST, 180 Gr .40S&W HST, and the 230 Gr .45ACP HST in 10% Clear ballistics gelatin covered by 1 layer of fleece material, and 1 layer of cotton T-shirt material. I use these 2 to keep the test more realistic, as per se, 4 layers of denim. I will agree that if a round will expand through those 4 layers of denim then it will expand through anything, but i want my testing to be more realistic.
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Handguns used in this test are:
Glock 17 Gen 5, 4.49” barrel
Glock 22 Gen 5, 4.49” barrel
Glock 21 Gen 4, 4.61” barrel
To be fair in my comparison, I used these three firearms as they are the same size and length, aside from the Glock 21 being a tad bit larger overall. I do not expect the 0.11” of extra barrel length to made a difference in performance.
All shots were fired from 10 feet away. Muzzle to block.
Remember guys, this video is t to start a debate. Or to offend anybody. This video is just a comparison video to show you how these three rounds perform against each other. When choosing a caliber to carry, carry what you shoot the fastest and most accurately with. No need to get lost in the numbers when either of these 3 will do the job just fine.
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I really like how you picked the heaviest of each caliber to test as opposed to try to match the bullet weight. To me me that is just a better way to test the ammo
I feel as if this is the fairest way to test each caliber when comparing them to each other. You can always make one caliber superior to another when you take the 'best' grain in this caliber and compare it to the 'worst' in another caliber. I do plan on soon comparing the 9MM+P 124gr HST, .40SW 165gr HST, and .45ACP 185gr HST one day though. The fastest HST in each of the three calibers would be an interesting test. Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! Your support really helps!
@@ConditionZero I don’t think Federal makes a 185gr HST for .45. 230 grain only. Standard or +p
@@ryanranard5187 your correct. It slipped by me when commenting
I agree however 147 is technically subsonic in 9mm, I’d rather stick with 135 or below, ideally 124/125 if I can help it.
200 grain guard dog for .45 with Auto Comp makes a great load too.
This is one of those videos that proves you can’t skip over the smaller channels when searching. This was the best comparison video of these 3 loads on TH-cam imo.
If you are looking to see the coolest shił out the more popular channels will have all of that but if you want truth yes the smaller channels are filled with it
A better vid would be to use separate gel for each round
Impressed with consistency of expansion and penetration. With the .45, hard to argue with a JHP that's nearly an inch wide!
You can't go wrong with federal HST, it's one of the most consistent defense rounds by far
You're exactly right! It is truly the gold standard is todays markets. I see a ton of people praising the Gold Dots but in my personal, non-professional, opinion, The HST blows the Gold Dot out of the water. The HST is truly a barrier blind projectile whereas the GD tends to give in towards some heavy clothing material and will clog up and act as an FMJ round. Thanks for watching!
I'd add Hornady Critical Defense/Duty.
@@Boutit031 Hornady bullets have lousy expansion.
HST's Gold dots & Hornady XTP's or there polymer tip JHP's are 4 of the best and if you want cheap stuff that still works Winchester white box.. and in 357 mag the good ole Remington HTP's semi jacketed hollow points are hard to beat.. golden sabers are pretty good in certain calibers too but some faster one's have jacket separation.. Corbon Buffalo Bore & double tap are worth an honorable mention too because they also have some good loads
@@johnryan6658 but they also have better penetration.. depends on what your looking for they perform really well in 45 ACP 10mm and 357 mag.. not all of them have "lousy" expansion either.. 200 grain 45 +p XTP still expands 3/4 of an inch and penetrates better than most 45 loads.. and in 10mm they perform as good as anything.. and the critical defense 357 mag and critical duty also perform really well for a 357.. Hornady makes really good rounds they just might not be quite on the level of HST'S in some calibers but neither is speer gold dots but everyone praises them lol there all 3 the best when it comes to defensive bullets in my opinion regardless of caliber and they all make really good rifle rounds too
Watch how far the block moves backwards when it is shot. 9mm, a little, 40 more, 45 even more. Amazing how nobody takes that into consideration.
The .40 had slightly more energy than the .45. Essentjally equal. 363 vs 360
I carry HST most of the time and sometimes Gold•Dot or Ranger T-series! The HST is very consistent! I have tested over 300 rounds of various ammo types and barrel lengths! I have never ever seen a HST, Gold•Dot or Ranger T-series come apart! The HST is the most consistent round I have tested! I have tested sub compact, compact and standard barrel lengths! The compact 4" barrel mostly always has the best results! All rounds were tested through 4 layers of denim and 4 to 5 jugs of water! Most rounds stop in 3 to 4 water jugs! The HST always opens up the biggest! The Ranger T-series is a wicked jagged round though! I hope this helps! All my test were done at 10' away!
Try the 165gr Ranger T in .40 or 230gr +P in .45ACP if you want a spectacular round. They are both massive expanders after penetrating 15".
I like all of them, but that .45 though...😳
180grains was always too heavy for the .40 S&W. 165 grains gives the best energy dump and will expand slightly bigger. It’s 165gr @ 1130fps for 468ft-lbs of energy. That’s stubby baby 357 mag levels of energy.
When you go on LuckyGunners homepage where he has a lot of testing data the Remington Goldensaber 180gr open up the most with .82 inch followed by Remington Ultimate Defense with .79 inch and another Remington 180gr with .78 inch. From his data 180gr is better.
Spot on. .40's sweet spot IS 165gr full power at 1150fps, like Speer's Gold Dot in that loading. Or WW Ranger T/Ranger Bonded 165gr loads. Same as 124gr is the sweet spot for 9x19 and 200gr the sweet spot for .45ACP.
An excellent round in all three calibers!
That 40 expanded as much as some 45 acp rounds and the 45 expansion is massive lol
That is what I'm seeing. They all expanded well for their respective calibers but clearly there is a visual diffence.
As TN Outdoors 9 said about 10 years ago...the hst in 45 acp looks like a freakin terantula... But all were amazing...agree with your choice of clothing...
I'm impressed that the HST 9mm ammo performed so well. It looked like all 3 calibers not only penetrated well, but expanded very well. In other videos using same brands, the 40 penetrated better than the 9 and 45.
Good job dude.Quick,fair,to the point.I get tired of 20 minute videos that could be done in 5-10 minutes.Thanks.
My LE department issues the 147gr HST for 9’s and the 230gr HST for those that desire to carry a .45. My department (10,000+ sworn) has done exhaustive testing for the past 2 decades. They concluded long ago that between these three most popular calibers, one doesn’t perform any “better” than the next one. They all perform nearly identical. What’s more critical is shot placement. You can fill someone up with an 18-round “mag dump” to non-vital areas of the body and it’s still possible that he’s going to keep shooting back at you. But even if a bullet hits a vital organ like the heart, the bad guy can still fight for several seconds, long enough to nearly empty his magazine at you. Unless a CNS (brain stem) shot occurs, there’s no guarantee of an instant incapacitating stop of the bad guy. It doesn’t matter what caliber out of these three was used. Again, what matters is shot placement.
That being said, I went back to a 9mm from a 45, because I can carry more ammo on my person and in my gun with the 9mm. The 9mm also offers less recoil and muzzle flip that .40 or .45 for faster follow up shots with more accuracy.
Interesting they give you the option between 9 and 45.
The 45 is much better at barrier penetration and hates changing direction…….it simply carries more energy.
@@turbo-bike7999 True it does have more energy but it penetrates LESS than a 147gr 9mm. Even the 124gr 9mm FMJ will penetrate the 45. That’s actually a downfall of the 9mm, over penetration.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 That goes back to what I said earlier about frontal area and velocity. Too much velocity (big energy number) and without increased frontal area and you get over penetration ie 9mm and 10mm. Too much frontal area and not enough velocity and you get under-penetration. It’s a balance between the two. Something to do with energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Mass x velocity….I’ll pick a 230 45 @ 900fps over anything tested so far. That’s my personal decision.
@@turbo-bike7999 Watch this… th-cam.com/video/7W5P3eQdCwQ/w-d-xo.html
I’ll take 9mm over 45 any day. More ammo on ones person during the gunfight is always better. Ther performance between the 3 calibers is basically a tie. I just prefer to carry more rounds.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT with these tests!
Thanks for doing this side by side comparison. It was cool & educational to see the results.
This one of the best test vidoes I've ever seen. I hope you make more content.
Thanks for the best you tube video of the 9mm, 40SW and the 45ACP. Not only that but you used same brand pistols, ammunition manufacturer, same style of bullet and the heaviest grain bullet from the manufacturer. Then you also did a average of 5 bullets of each caliber and the velocity at impact and the penetrations, retained weights, and expanded bullet diameters. The only thing I saw missing was the factory velocity, but I can find that online. Overall a fantastic job. Glad I found your video. I am now subscribed and look forward to your videos. Great job!!!!! Thank you!!!
Thank you for the time and effort to do this.
Well done. Thank you. Revealing & helpful info. All will get the job done if put in the correct spot.
Great test. I like that I can see all the wound tracks side by side.
Great presentation! Thanks for using heavy grain weight for each caliber to keep it uniform.
One of the best tests I have seen so far. Objective, consistent, and well thought out. I also completely agree with the conclusions: there is no substitute for hitting the target. Do so with the pistol/caliber combination with which you have the best control, accuracy, repeatability, and speed.
Great video. Those federal hst rounds are awesome. I like to carry them in whatever gun I carry. I carry either my CZ P-10c with the TLR-1 HL light or my CZ 97 45.
I love the realistic testing. Great job.
Cool video. I've always been a fan of the 147gr hst. Very reliable, excellent performance
Well done, unbiased tests, have seen 2 of your videos, subscribing.
Another excellent video. I like the comparison format. I've never thought that concerning ourselves with bullet weight matters that much when doing these kinds of comparisons. In theory, we should try to control as many variables as possible to isolate our test, but in reality, having an objective standard in terminal performance means that making the weights match each other is irrelevant... either they meet the standard, or they do not. In the case of HST, to the shock of no one, they all meet the standard almost perfectly. Would be interested to see a similar testing format as this one (9mm/40S&W/45ACP) in other brands and loadings
Good straightforward no BS test. Thanks.
Wow this Ballistic test is top notch straight to the point with all the information needed. Suscribed
Excellent informative demo and very well presented. Now if we can just start getting some of that ammo back on store shelves at decent prices again.
Sgammo usually has 50-packs for decent prices
Right? Two years ago I was buying 200 packs of federal premium 9mm for $33…. Now it’s double that or more if you can find it. Federal aluminum case was $7/50 and I was like “I’m not shooting that through a $1,000 pistol” now I’d probably shoot steel case/steel core Yugoslav +p+ SMG surplus if the price was right.
I can get self defense ammo almost at what I was buying it prior for... it's the ball ammo that's still 20-30 dollars or more a 50 round box depending on brand and caliber, which is ridiculous.
Great test !
Thanks. This was very informative and well done.
Great simple test. Thank you.
Nice review. Well thought out and executed.
Great video. Just the facts, and no BS. Thanks!
Enjoying the content, man. Keep up the good work.
Lutstanding video loved it. It helped me out with a few choices
Very well done and informative video. Thank you for the good information.
This is a great video. Very well done. I believe this level of knowledge could take this channel pretty far. Be creative, be different, and continue.
Very well done sir! Keep up the good work.
Another great presentation. Loving your content brother!
Great demo!!!, Very interesting In how all the rounds acted. Also shows how consistent the ammo expansion is throughout the caliper range.
That is how I see it. They didn't perform the same -there are differences in expansion and penetration but they all performed really well for the respective calibers.
Awesome video, exactly what i was looking for
I love all 3 of these rounds! Great vid! Thanks
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Fantastic. Excellent data. Was going to do the exact same thing tomorrow between the 40 and the 9. Heaviest grain HST.
Thank you not only for your support but for your feedback. Feedback like this really motivates me to continue to put in not only the time but money into these reviews. Ammo isn’t cheap in todays times. Nor is it easy to obtain.
In this test I decided to use heavy for caliber loads in each caliber. I feel this makes it fair as possible. If I were to use lighter, faster, projectiles in one caliber, and then use heavier, slower, projectiles in another caliber, I would be giving one caliber an advantage over the other.
This is top notch man
Nice. I can watch these all day.
Thank you, appreciate the effort.
Great job, you kept it simple, and nothing you judged as one being better than the other. They ALL made excellent defensive rounds and are loaded in all my go to guns!!👍👍
Yessir! With the advancements in todays technology, all 3 keep getting better and better! All 3 will also very much do their job for as long as the shooters does his part!
Good comparison video
New sub. For a smaller channel you put alot of time and effort into this video. Keep grinding you will be a big channel soon
Awesome video!
One of the best bullet comparison videos Iv seen. keep it up bro
Yessir! I know it’s been awhile since I posted but I definitely have something in the works. Changing the way I test as well to better suit real life possibilities. Be sure to subscribe with the bell icon as well to get notifications sent straight to your phone!
Excellent video
Great video!
That was certainly entertainment that is great testing very fair he did an awesome job he needs to be testing all the time very very fair totally impressed thank you
Dam good video, absolutely one of the best on the subject
I greatly appreciate the video, keep them coming if the comment at the end doesn’t settle the caliber debate I don’t know what will
Nice. I still have a relatively large stockpile of the 9mm and .45 in both standard velocity and +P. My favorite carry load.
Great job on your video!
Gets right to the point!
SUBSCRIBED!
Thank you! I’m not much of a talker and always appreciate videos that get to the point myself!
Thanks for the test!
All 3 will get the job done, I guess I will stick with my 45.
Yessir! I would be more than comfortable with all three!
Common sense, professional video. Thanks !!
Good job conducting a fair and non biased test. Let the science speak for itself.
Hey great choices for weight comparisons
Good video. Fair video.
Every thing was fair well done vid thanks for sharring 👍
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
VERY INFORMATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you so damn much. I’ve been trying to tell people it that all 3 calibers perform identical. This is the clearest evidence
I’ve always advised to carry what your comfortable with. All 3 choices will do the job just fine.
Sweet and to the point liking the videos
Great video brotha! You got yourself a new subscriber.
Great job 👍
Love all three
Trained (and used) a Sig P-250 in the military, it was .40JHP then and it still is today. Love the action on this Sig model, very reminiscent of the revolvers I grew up practicing with. Only this semi auto holds 15 instead of 6. The wife prefers it too.
Well done vid! I think the bottom line is that with todays bullet technology, caliber choice has become a relatively moot point. While a point of a slightly larger hole over a slightly smaller hole could be made (if one just has to pick nits!), I think spending more time practicing and being able to place a bullet where it's most needed is a much more important issue than caliber choice. Yep, I love my .45's, and shoot them well, but I don't feel the least bit handicapped carrying a 9mm (my carry ammo is the Underwood brand using the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Defender bullets in all of my carry guns). However, I still don't trust the 9mm 147 ammo, especially out of short barreled 9mm's like mine (G26 & S&W 6906). I've experienced too many failures with them so I no longer consider them for carry ammo.
Nice job! 👍
Damn good test. All did about the same except for expansion. I’m an old 40 guy, But have a G17-5 on order. Kudos
When all other things are equal, go for diameter. The more tissue damage you do, the better the performance. 45 ACP will give you the largest amount of tissue damage around the path of the bullet just from its diameter
I don't have an ax to grind and I came to the same conclusion. The .45 met depth and expanded the most .
Excellent bullet test. I agree with your real world choice of clothing material placed on the ballistics gelatine. I might point out not everyone is familiar with Glock model numbers and the caliber of bullets they shoot. When measuring expanded bullet diameters it would have been easier to follow if you had simply labeled (bullet caliber tested) largest & avg diameter with retained weight rather than saying Glock 21 etc etc etc.. look forward to watching another video
Might be the most outstanding gel test video overall that I have seen. Best camera work especially the close-ups. REALISTIC fabric usage on the gel block. That departs from the FBI's "Denim specs" but is a lot more realistic for what YOU MAY FACE on the street. Presents what you need to make an intelligent choice in caliber and brand. Many thanks.
Great video.
I’ve been looking for something like this. You’ve made a hard decision very easy. Guess I’ll be getting that 9mm now.
View the image at 6:22. I own guns in all three calibers, and I carry a 9mm for reasons of concealability, weight, and capacity. That said, if they all penetrate the same, and you shoot them all equally well, you simply cannot argue that the 45 will NOT be doing more damage with each hit. If you can handle the big grip and the recoil, the Glock G21 is an excellent Home Defense choice.
Finally, a realistic test of the 3 rounds my department issues. Thank you!!!
After seeing dozens 9mm tests it seems that the federal hst is the best in terms of consistent expansion and penetrarion. Of the various weights in 9mm, it seems that the 124 grain is the best. Its what I use in my edc. Stay safe out there!!!
How have they worked in actual shootings? Thanks
@@golferpro1241 not good, they are terrible when they meet bones ...
@@golferpro1241
Where I'm from police use this HST round in their Glock17s & they're shooting criminals 5 or more times & those scumbags almost always survive.
I love the HST.
Well done! HST is the way! 👍🏻🇺🇸
Nice test! I like the consistent "heavy weight" among the bullets approach. Personally I am generally a big fan of heavy for caliber loads. They aren't as fast and therefore generally have less kinetic energy than lighter loads, but they do seem to penetrate and otherwise have more consistent results.
To be an even more level comparison, consider using +P in the 9mm and .45 (I know that Federal makes 230 +P HST, and I believe they do in the 147 as well). The 9mm and .45 were originally developed with early generation smokeless powder which was less efficient than modern powders. In later decades after many advances in chemistry, loaders realized they had a lot of extra case capacity with more modern powders which is why +P varieties came into being (to take advantage of that). The .40 was developed much more recently with the latest in chemistry, and so it is basically already "+P" in it's native form and why there is no official SAAMI spec of ".40+P", because it doesn't technically exist although some loaders market hot .40 as such.
There is a .40+p. It's more commonly known as the 10mm.
Before anyone loses their shit, I'm making a joke. I know that they're actually 2 different cartridges, and I know I that the .40 was developed from the down tuned 10mm the fbi was playing with.
Great video keep em comin buddy..lets see one with my carry ammo, Federal Syntech Defense 9mm
I currently only have some in .45ACP. Ill see what i can do. Thanks for watching!
Good video 👍
I'll still stick to 45acp....it does a good job of stopping someone even if the HP doesn't open up....
Your test illustrated what ballistics experts have been saying for years. There is not enough of difference to matter between 9, 40 and 45. Carry what you shoot best.
Not really. 9mm averaging a diameter of 0.632” means the surface area of the bullet is about 0.31 in.^2. Meanwhile, .45ACP averaging at a diameter of 0.841” means the surface area of the bullet is about 0.56 in.^2. This is all from plugging the radius (half of diameter) into the equation for an area of a circle. Then, if we divide 0.56 by 0.31, we get about 1.8, meaning .45ACP HST actually has an 80% larger surface area, and therefore permanent wound cavity vs. 9mm HST. That is a significant difference because while the differences are small in absolute terms, they are big percentage wise, which means a capacity of 10 rounds of .45ACP being equivalent to 18 rounds of 9mm. That is far from being similar.
Unless expansion doesn’t really matter, at which point hollow points are pointless and 5.7x28mm takes its rightful place as the king of pistol calibers. lol
@@gameragodzilla it doesn't work that way. You're trying to apply a physics answer to a biology question. A certain percentage larger surface area doesn't equal an equivalent percentage increase in bleeding. Also, it's not just the diameter of the wound channel the matters, but also the depth of the wound channel.
@@johnryan6658 Depth of wound channel only matters so long as it hits FBI penetration standards, so the only measurable difference is the wound channel size. And the increase percentage in surface area translates to increased percentage in tissue damage. If tissue damage size matters, and it should because, again, otherwise hollow points have no purpose, then a larger tissue damage is more worthwhile and .45ACP is objectively superior.
@@gameragodzilla the depth of the wound channel matters as long as there is more tissue to damage. 12" is the FBI minimum, not the ideal. The ideal is more like 15", with anything over 18" being excessive. Too much is better than too little.
@@johnryan6658 No, because again, that can also be cause for collateral damage. So as long as it meets that middle ground between 12" and 18", that's good enough.
My son and I were texting about it I want a 40 or 45 and he called me and we spoke. Beautiful results! I might stay with my 9s because I had a bad stroke in 99 and now I'm one handed.
Love the fairness. All heavy for cal. All glock. And all same bbl
I’ve watched so many videos comparing these 3 calibers and this is the best one so far. Very interesting results. 👍🏻
Finally a fair comparison half these tests guys use plus p,s in some calibers and not in others and different ammo, it would be interesting if you were able to measure the whole wound Channel circumference, that 45 is a big piece of lead
Great video. RIght to the point. No personal Opinions regarding calibers. And verified a 45 makes a bigger hole than a 40. And a 40 makes a bigger hole than a 9mm. PERIOD. Great job!
Maybe in diameter, but not in depth.
keep this type of balistic content, hope your channel will get bigger fast soon like the 1shot and social regressive channel.. and hope you can also do the revolver magnum load test and short barrel 556 balistic test on various self defend and varmint ammo, they really not many 556 test video that are using below 8 inch barrel.
My friend and I have debated 9 vs 45 off-n-on. I used to be a 45-guy but improved bullet technology convinced me to switch years ago. He's also a diehard FMJ as "the" bullet of choice. Recently, this video helped convince him "it's a draw" and I gave him a box of 45 HST for his birthday. 👍
@Gengar Getting him to admit even that much was a win. 😄 But he now loads the HST in his mags and that's what really counts. 👍
@gengar2816 The 45 was about 93% larger than the 9mm. That's impressive.
@gengar281645 acp expands larger than 357 magnum also. Are you saying that .45 is superior to .357 solely based off bullet diameter? Size of round doesn’t tell the whole story. The 357 mag will do more tissue damage then a .45 even though it has a small diameter bullet. The only reason I bring this up is because 9mm and 357 have basically the same size projectile. The wound channels are almost indistinguishable, which lines up with what most surgical doctors has mentioned when taking out these rounds. Can’t tell the wound channels apart.
@@ryanranard5187Are you saying the 9mm is equal to the 357 mag or 38 special?
They are all good. I would definitely not want any of them hitting me! I'm a fan of larger calibers both the .40, and .45 because they are huge hard hitting rounds...But, I typically carry my 9mm Sig P365, because it is small and easy to conceal. If we could pick our battles I would choose my Glock 22 .40, or Glock 30 .45. But they are heavier to carry and harder to conceal, especially in summer. Great video brother 👍