Federal HST vs Speer Gold Dot vs Hornady Critical Duty | FBI "Heavy Clothing” Ballistics Gel Test
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In This Video I Do The FBI "Heavy Clothing" Ballistics Gel Test With The Federal Premium HST, Speer Gold Dot, & Hornady Critical Duty. As Always I Use My Glock 17 9mm Handgun And The Gel Block I Use Is The Clear Ballistics 20% Ballistics Gel NATO Block. The FBI Uses 10% Gel But 20% Gel Stops Bullets Quicker Than 10% Gel And It's For That Reason That I Prefer Using The 20% Gel. I May Have Created More Questions Than Answers After Doing This Test But Nonetheless It Was An Interesting Test.
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Critical duty is doing exactly what it supposed to do. It is designed for FBI and police for hard barriers. It's a heavier jacket and harder lead. If you want it to act like the others, then use critical defense not duty.
Thats what i was thinking....
@Bob White www.gunsamerica.com/digest/fbi-hornady-critical-duty-federal-ammo/ well looks like the FBI will be...
@Bob White well at the end of the day sir i dont believe pd's make available what ammo they carry. There are litteraly thousands of pd so i guess we will never know...
Yes please do a video with critical defense!
Anyone else have trouble finding the critical defense? Can only find critical duty...
I carry HST, and I think what a lot of people like about it is that it has a more consistent performance despite what barrier you send it through, at least in the FBI's tests and the tests they do at Lucky Gunner. But really you can depend on any of these rounds to get the job done. It's all about preferences.
I'd say in 06-2019; the top 3 handgun loads to use for LE 🚔, duty or personal defense are; Speer G2, Hornady Critical Duty, Federal HST(tactical or bonded). I currently use Critical Duty 124gr +P in my Glock 26 gen 5 but I may get some new HST 124gr +P or the 147gr version G2 9mm.
I would say prity red tips are only for marketing and to catch the shooters eye ,and doesn't affect performance at all Hornaday makes good ammo but I wish it worked as good as it looks oh well Speer or federal I put my life on it 😉
@@joshdecastro1387I always had a theory about the FTX tip. It originally debuted in the mid 2000s and was designed for Hornady’s LeveRevolution line of products. The purpose was to improve safety of lever rifle tubular magazines and to negate the need for flat nose projectiles. It wasn’t until after this that we saw them start to include it in their defensive products, and I always wondered if they just repurposed it as a marketing gimmick. I don’t know if this is actually true or not; perhaps it does serve a good function. As with everything else, it’s pretty easy to find videos of tests where it either outperforms or does way worse than its competitors lol…
@@DavidLLambertmobileG2 sucks ass
That's pretty much how they design the critical duty to perform, it has a high antimony lead core and the band which controls maximum expansion. It favors penetration and hard barrier performance over expansion, which is fine if that's what you want.
Justin Miller That explains why the 4 layer denim test got better results but with that many layers in a 20% gel block that seems kinda crazy. I knew they designed it for hard barriers but it acted Almost like an fmj ball round. Interesting though. I like it
Justin Miller Is the critical defense designed to expand easier than the duty?
The critical defense is softer and is designed for modest consist expansion through short barrel ccw guns, whereas the critical duty is designed for duty guns 4.5 inch barrel or a greater ideally.
Shooting usa had probably the best video on the differences. th-cam.com/video/8PBPjYu_5ow/w-d-xo.html
Justin Miller I see. Thanks
Thanks for the video l!
It’s amazing how someone takes their TIME,& MONEY to provide a ammo comparison video and the FIRST THING people say is
“Can you try another ammo”
“ use fresh gels for each shot”
“That was unfair do it this way “
Just APPRECIATIVE THE VIDEO!
or send him money for 30 gel blocks & all the ammo .... didn’t think so
Jay Lee Thank you
Stuff is really expensive !
Justin Nachatilo Thank you I appreciate it
Thanks so much for the data! Very interesting findings indeed. God Bless America.
I learned alot.
Love that hst wound cavity. Spiral of beauty.
Never shot HST but it did what it's suppose to. The Gold Dot passed through the first time because the gel was compromised by the first shot; less resistance. Anytime you plug up the hollow cavity with polymer it becomes almost a solid slug which is why they don't expand like we think they will. They're all good rounds you can be confident in. My department went with Gold Dot because they expanded the best without over penetrating. That was 20 years ago and they still work well.
Cool vid man no matter what people say I just like and appreciate folks like you taking the time to show us what different types of ammo can do. For me the hst is what I choose but it's vids like this that help me choose. Thanks
Tiffany Montgomery Thank you I appreciate that
Bro, don't let any naysayers get to ya! Great job. You highlighted that the critical duty is not as advertised. Yes, it will go through a windshield then into a two legged type but otherwise is unpredictable. Critical Duty wants to be all things to all people and cannot. The HST is what it is and is far more predictable-it is more affordable too.
You know you will never appease everyone. I personally appreciate your time and effort Brother.
Thanks for your efforts with these tests. There are very informative and help a great deal. You’re to the point and easy to understand. You’re doing a great job. Keep up the good work and please keep more videos coming.
Great video. This just shows how different bullets act unpredictably when different barriers are introduced.
Nelson rodriguez Exactly. Thanks man
From what I’ve read Critical Duty is an enforcement round that will allow for barrier penetration, where as the Critical Defense is more of a home defense short penetration round.
Excellent review. Thanks for taking the time and expense to test and explain your findings.
Thanks bud for reply and i look forward to it?? Im tuned in... Again love ur content ur research and testing and detailed information unbiased opinions and so on. 👏👏👏
DonnyNam69 Thank you
Thanks great video, good comparison of three well used bullets , always liked the Speer gold dot
I think in the real world 90% of the time as long as it still expands after passing through a hoodie you are good to go.
Come to pdx. The number of zombies wearing 2 or 3 pairs of pants and like 4 or 5 shirts hoodies and jackets. I care how rounds preform. You own every round. Clowns on the internet😒!
Good Video.
But With all do respect the Hornady Critical Duty did not fail as you would perceive. Critical duty has a harder lead Core to make this particular round barrier blind. This is why my agency issues it will punch right through car doors, windshields and other fairly tough materials to reach the intended target and give reliable expansion. The one you should consider testing is the Hornady Critical Defense which is a similar round but has a softer Lead Core this round is best suited for concealed carry over Hornady Critical Duty.
@Bob White You seem to really dislike the Critical Duty rounds! I wouldn't totally call BS here. While the HST and GD are superior rounds IMO, the CD does serve a purpose and I have a handful of SWAT/law enforcement customers that use the CD as their duty load, in full size side arms. The ones I have spoken with have good real work things to say about the rounds. If memory serves me correctly, they were each using the .40S&W, but I do recall one of them was a SWAT member using the 9mm version and also had great things to say about it in multiple real world situations he and his team encountered over the years. So, it certainly isn't a useless or gimmicky round by any stretch of the imagination. With that said, I carry 147gr standard pressure HST's in a G19. If I had a second choice, it would be the 124gr +P Gold Dot. Both are amazing rounds and like you mentioned before, they are two of the very best out there on the market for both LE and civilians alike. Cheers & Merry Christmas! Jason ballisticimpressions.com
@@jasonbell1950 Now, this is practical viewpoint. Love HST and Gold dot, gen2.
Great testing and gave me a lot of information. Thanks for the vid
Thanks for dong these tests. Makes my decision easier. Keep up the great work.
Matt Fletcher Thank you!
Nice job man!! No apologies required, excellent tests! Great info and very helpful!
Good review my guy! I feel good knowing my HST's are solid rounds an why I use them daily! Both of the other rounds are dependable an quality rounds as well!💯✌🏻
Very good testing protocol. Don't sweat what these TH-camrs think. They're just like armchair quarterbacks because they can criticize you and your testing, yet they're not about to invest in doing one themselves. What can you say except the results are what they are.
I appreciate your investment, time, and keeping with established protocol then appeasing the the whiners. I enjoy your bullet tests and gain knowledge from your results. Keep on keeping on brother. Thanks!
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@@ackack1226 Coward Comment!
Very revealing about the Hornady. This video will definitely help inform my self-defense choices. Thanks.
Good job bud to listening to your viewers suggestions and trying hard to do your best! Great work man👍
Thanks! For sharing and keep doing your thing Brother! Great post!!
I really appreciate your ammo tests. I hope you get many tens of thousands people like me who have now subbed your channel. Good work.
Jack Johnson Thank you I really appreciate that. Glad you like them.
So basically for 9mm federal premium hst is the way to go. Lol good testing.
Federal HST either 124 or 147 gr are the way to go. They will never let you down in a critical situation !
@Loonytoones85 Basically Rapid Blood Loss Kills. He's testing bullets designed for different use. However; all of them will succeed in it's objective.
Thx for the tests. Good to see my HST carry round of choice do so well. As far as what we carried in our duty weapons it was Federal 147 grain Hydra-Shok's. Keep in mind I retired a decade ago, so I don't know if my department switched over to the HST since.
These are the three rounds I carry in my gun with my preference being for the gold dot and HST rounds. Long history of working well and many tests to prove them.
Thanks for the video. Interesting results.
Awesome video series man. Loved being able to go back and reference all the different bullets, looking for different things every time to truly determine the absolute best.
Goin with 124 HST for "standard" home defense stock, until I can figure out a way to get my hands on some Underwood 65grain XD.
Thanks for your review of three excellent cartridges. I liked and subscribed.
Rich Weatherly Thank you I appreciate that.
Some people get upset if their favorite Round performs poorly....We can't call for a " Wardrobe Change " in the Middle of a Defensive Situation. Better to know how a Bullet performs now than when your life may depend on it. Great Video and I appreciate all you do....Interesting and Informative.
Awesome Demo man!! Great Video👍🏻 those Gold Dots are NastY!! That’s a winner!!
Nice video buddy. No nonsense. Thanks for taking the time. Any chance you can do this same test with .40 cal?
I may have been fun and it was watching it. But it was certainly interesting as well. Thanks!
Good work, I subscribed!
Thank you!
Thanks for this video. I'm speculating on ammo as a first time shooter.
Speer Gold Dot, good stuff! 😉👍
Good video, thanks for putting it together. For my two cents, I avoid high priced ammo that won't expand when hitting water jugs or bare gel. Then I look to see that it reliably cycles through my pistol, whether it is locally available or available online in my area, and whether it is affordable enough that I can frequently practice with it.
Chas A Thank you
Love the test ! I’m still figuring out which hollow point to carry
Enjoy watching your videos over & over !
Great test man.! Could you try Critical Defense with the same fabric.? Thanks bro..
Ted Cregger Sure will. Thanks for watching!
Just goes to show how expansion, and penetration have adverse effects on each other. Very cool test. Thx bro.
The denim is an important part cause it can be a descent representation of carhartt jackets. Descent, yet somewhat poor but gives you a pretty good idea of how it would perform against canvas
Excellent video 👍🏼
Thank you for this informative video.
9Escalibore Thank you
All are great defensive ammos, good video. A hug from Puerto Rico.
I love my Hornady ammo...always reliable and accurate.
Great review on these ammo choices..
Mike Turner Thanks
Thanx.
Great vid.
Check out the critical "defense."
Its lighter than the critical duty and expands every time.
The critical "duty" is a heavier round made for service. They are meant to be able to penetrate barriers i.e. windshields and still be effective. Hence less expansion.
Ryan Lewis Thank you! Yeah i’ve learned a little bit since i made this vid and have since tested the critical defense. I appreciate it.
Good work, this helps me make a better judgement call.
I started using Federal HST after I got my Kimber micro .380 (great Lil' all metal 7 + 1 pocket rocket), the smallest firearm I own for summer carry. Wanted the most I could get out of it, & the HST worked the best of everything I tried. Gonna start buying it for my 9's & 45's now too.
Love these videos. Thanks for doing them. I use 147gr Winchester Defender
Ive done my own experiments with several of the top hollowpoints in the market and the HST has always given me the best results.I keep HST's in every gun i have,the heaviest weight per caliber.They expand very nice and penetrate enough for me.If you can't find any HST's,get some Winchester Ranger T's....my second choice
The many tests I've seen all seem to get the best results with the HSTs, 124 and 147 gr., consistently. They're all I buy now. Get them online for ~$30/50 rounds after the recent price increase. Word is that some sellers (Bonefrog) have been told they are no longer allowed to sell the 50-rd boxes to non-LEO customers.
Damn that sucks,thats where i get them.When did this start?Glad i bought the ones i did buy at the time
@@abelperez2931 That's what several of the regular posters said on the Glock forum; I've never used Bonefrog. It's been within the past month or so. SGAmmo and targetsportsusa both still have them for anybody. Shipping's about $12 whether you buy one box or ten at both places. I think targetsports gives free shipping if you buy a case, but I never buy that many at one time.
My city's PD has used the Ranger T T series 127gr +P+ for many years, SIG P226R/P229R DA-SA(traditional double action). The 127gr 9x19mm +P+ Ranger T is extremely rare. I've only seen it on open sources 2/3 times in the last 15+ years...
This is great thanks for the time and money invested for our knowledge.
Very good info thank you for a good video
Great video man.
Nice testing. Salute
Thanks for doing these tests. It would be good if you could test more than one round of each, though. Sometimes some brands aren't totally consistent, and there can always be a freak result. Seems even in one gel block you could do 2 of each, as you seem to be a very accurate shooter.
abc Thank you
I live in north central Texas, and this testing protocol more realistically represents the maximum clothing layers worn in this part of the country, so it is more meaningful to me. Thanks for taking the time to put your videos together.
Tim Farley Thank you I appreciate it.
That is actually the way critical duty usually expands...it’s specifically a law enforcement round intended for hard barriers and is made with a substantially harder lead alloy than the other 2
New subscriber here. I love this video - and I have NO COMPLAINTS for you! Excellent job, clear explanations, practical real-world variations on the cloth barriers. I only have one question: how did you achieve the slow-motion effect showing bullet entry into the gel blocks? Are you using a simple iPhone with slo-mo feature or some fancy slo-mo camera? Carry on....
Doug Haeussler Thank you! I use a Gopro Hero 5, film at 120fps and slow it down in editing. I’d like to get a better cam one day to do real slo-mo
You came along way since your earlier videos I’ve been a fan since day one
Great work! Thank you for sharing it with us. I wonder if Hornady designed the Critical Duty round exactly for that four-layer denim test (which as you say, is a standard test).
Exactly what I was thinking, their engineers perfected the 4 denim test to sell bullets. Now I’m scratching my head wondering how these bullets would actuallly perform in the real world
ALOT OF PPL IN THE SOUTH AND FARMERS WEAR DENIM BIB COVERALLS. NEED 12. GA.
Props for doing the test a little differently. I never understood why so many TH-camrs do the 4 layers. I don't care what the fbi test is id rather see more real world scenarios
I liked your test results and I think they consistent with the bullet design and metallurgy. The Critical Duty is a law enforcement round. The others I believe are personal protection rounds. I would bet that the Critical Duty round is designed with a harder alloy then say Critical Defense because it must defeat harder barriers like the four layer denim test for example as well as sheet metal, car glass and others. Great demonstration. Thank you.
You are right, the proper comparisson would be with Critical Defense rounds.
HST or Critical Defense is what I carry. Even when traveling to gun shows with hundreds of guns in my trailer and being a huge target for MS13. Critical Duty is not nickle plated brass with sealed primer. You need nickle plated brass with sealed primer for your carry round.
This is a very good comparison video. Liked ✅ subscribed ✅
As long as they go BANG! AND shoot true, I like! Nice display. Good info
The EDC load my wife(G26) and I(G43) carry is the 124gr+P Speer Gold Dot.
It's the same load I carried in my G19 before I retired from law enforcement as a police firearms instructor.
The H Critical Duty did not have poor expansion; it did exactly what it was designed to do.- minimal expansion max penetration.
So why not just use hardball it also penetrates great with no expansion.
I think they all performed exactly as they were designed to. The Hornady rounds always focus on penetration and I wouldn't be surprised if Gold Dot is designed for adequate penetration too. The HST looks exactly like they usually do.
I like the videos you do. In this one though you sounded so disappointed that the critical duty did not perform well. I quit using critical defense and critical duty because they consistently did not perform well for me. Federal Hydro Shock always seems to be the best I use but the HST and the gold Dots are GREAT AMMO.
Good job thank you
Ronald Coleman Thank you!
The reason you got such serious penetration with the Critical Duty ammo is the jacket is heavier as it was designed to penetrate barriers. This was stated by Hornady as by design. Their stsndard Critical Defense was designed for concealed carry as anti personnel rounds like t bgg e other two tested.
Great video's thanks. I enjoy your content. What I take from your video's is that any hollow point can fail under specific conditions. I think we all need to make up our own minds about what the situation is you are most likely to find your self in. That being said I think HST and Speer Gold dot will work in most situations you can find yourself in.
This guy does great test! Some people just shoot in gel without clothing! Never seen a naked attacker without clothing! He's testing the best 3 in my opinion! Keep up the good work. I like your test!
Great video and as you saw yourself, results do not always come back the way we think they would. As far as all the back and forth about what is used for layered testing, it should be noted expectations of what your projectile will have to encounter could greatly change depending on your location as well as what season it is. Example, I live in the SE and the summers are rather warm. Encounters I could have during the summer could easily be with someone only wearing a T or a very light polo shirt. However, in the winter, I could be encountering leather, fleece, denim, and/or other barriers that would be quite different than summertime. For these reasons my personal defense rounds change depending on time of year. In the dead of winter I carry Hornady Critical Defense, as Critical Duty has more penetration that I do not personally desire for close range defensive contacts. Of course there is great room for debate on that also. In the summers, I carry Speer Gold Dot because I do not worry about clothing barriers nearly as much, if at all. Many may disagree with my thinking here and I understand that as well as support what another would chose for themselves as the round(s) they would choose.
Good presentation, is that a G 19?
Shows how much just clothing will affect hollow points. Great job! Thanks!
Nice, appreciate you putting the time and money into this. I use the HST, and the Critical Duty, both in 9mm and .40S&W. I'm assuming these are 9mm (maybe I missed it somewhere)? What is the HST, 147gr?, the Critical Duty, 135gr? also the Gold Dot?
I've always been a Hornady guy, but your series is making me want to switch to federal. Great job, sir.
I would love to see you do a gelt test with the Winchester USA ready 124gr +p since no one else has,and I enjoy your reviews more than others..
Interesting to see even the slightest variance in barriers changes performance dramatically. So any changes in barriers, barrel length, can really affect the final result. I'll stick with hst or light solid copper ammo, since my barrels for carry are about 2". Thanks for thoroughly running through the exercise, good info. Hornady critical duty is air marshal and FBI standard issue as ammo, the specs are really slow and light on energy for 9mm, but it meets or exceeds FBI duty requirements. So faster, harder or heavier is not always best. Cheers from California..
John John Thank you!
The HST 124 gr. is what I use for carry. It doesn't over penetrate and dumps all its energy inside which is exactly what its designed to do.
Just like every single hollow point ever made
I would love to see this ammo in a leather jacket test. As well as the civil defense rounds
I use HST in ALL of my personal defense guns. But here to testify, the Hornady Flex will put a serious hurt on hogs through my Glock .357 SIG. All three are great ammo. Thanks for the vid, well done. Much appreciated.
Nice test. I've observed online that synthetic ballistic gel allows for more penetration and less expansion than organic ballistic gel.
sillybilly44444444 Interesting. Thank you!
I expected the same result as others did when I saw you selected the Critical Duty instead of the Critical Defense - less expansion and more penetration.
Thank you for sharing your experiment with us - another thing that I found odd is that you ‘dressed’ your gel block backwards. The thin t-shirt on the outside, heavier shirt under that, fleece, and jeans next to the body. What was the thinking behind the reverse layers?
GunsmithSid Thank you! The thought behind dressing it that way is I’m an idiot! Lol. I just went in order of thickness I guess. Ive corrected that in my newer videos.
As to the Speer GDHP, NYPD has been using this ammo for a long time now. And I believe that Chicago PD is also using this round. It would seem to me that if it was not working in cold weather of the winter times of both cities, they would have dropped it by now. And a lot of folks say 147 gr for winter time.
Also read a few years back that the Hornady Critical Duty did good on paper and tests like this ,but not in the real world.
Good one, thanks.
3 solid choices. Depends on availability. Im comfortable with gold dot hst or critical duty in my chamber and magazine.
Good job Hoss.
Nice vid. For a subgun/pdw I think the critical duty is fantastic. For a ccw hst ftw.
There is a Gold Dot 125 grain for higher velocities like 357 sig. It is made different at the tip. I want to see how it preforms against the 124 grain.
I think the main difference in this test compared to other tests because of the gel block being 20% gelatin material instead of only 10, when you double the thickness of the gel block it can most definitely affect the performance whether it's make it better or make it worse🤔
Kinda regardless the best ammunition should still put preform the ones that are worse just like if someone was trying to attack you your bullet is probably going to drop a small skinny person faster than a big fat person does that mean the ammo that dropped the small person in one shot is now trash because it took 2 shots to drop a huge fat one? I don’t think so unless some other brand were to drop em both in one shot and they got shot in the exact same place
Good video, the Federal rounds just preformed better. Perhaps that’s just that day, maybe? I’ve seen gelatin tests done on both Federal HST 9mm 124gr +p JHP and SuperVel 115gr +p SCHP. They seem to work very good!
Are you the new tenoutdoor9 ? Good job brother.
Gman 5445 I wish! Thank you I appreciate that.
Wouldn’t have a problem carrying any of the 3.At the moment I’m carrying 147 hst in my Glock 19 and 124+p in my Glock 26.Cool video 😎
@Alan Smithee much more controllable for sure
Great video !
BOB TAMMIN Thank you!