After more than a decade as Pope, Pope Francis still conducts the papacy as if he is running a Jesuit theological symposium. It’s awful. Even most of his conjectures are theological train wrecks.
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It's an old slogan but there's no peace without justice. The Holy Father seems to focus wholly on the former without reference to the latter. I see Austen Ivereigh has issued one of his "Pope Francis right or wrong" statements on X about the Pope's remarks. The Vatican clearly has an over blown view of its influence on the world stage.
Oh come on John - I was waiting with baited breath to find out what you would say about this. I do enjoy, usually, your balanced opinion - however, the reality here is that there IS no balance. First of all, even if the interviewer did bring up the term "white flag" there's absolutely NO reason whatsoever why the pope should "pick up the word(s)". In fact, that was the perfect moment for the Pope to respond exactly in the manner the Ukrainians said to the Nuncio .... In fact, so egregious is the Pope's failure to utterly condemn Russia - irrespective of his position as a "non Western leader (which diminishes the Pope to merely the ruler of a secular country - it is a purely political thing to say) - his primary role, especially to non Catholics, followers of other religions and none - is to be a beacon of moral virtue, leading by example, unbuffeted by earthly turbulence and commanding respect from all quarters. Furthermore, even if there IS an ulterior motive for the West (headed by the USA) that's hardly the point, is it? No one whatsoever denies that this is a war of naked aggression, against international law and the sole cause of countless hundreds of deaths per day - and perhaps even worse, rape, torture and the kidnapping of children, their transport into Russia and their adoption by Russian parents and to forget their own language, culture and identity. John, it is absolutely horrifying - and I feel extremely disappointed in someone who I believed was much more interested in being a fearless and exemplary Christian and not involving himself with politicking. I always thought he pointedly set aside the trappings of his position exactly to show he did not consider himself an exalted person - rather one interested only in promoting peace, tolerance, justice and love - not to appease both sides of a fight where one party is so clearly the aggressor. He would do well to recall that no fewer than five of his predecessors from 1870- 1929 spent the entirety of their reigns sulking inside the Vatican, refusing to leave and referring to themselves as "prisoners" because the Papal States had been absorbed into Italy during unification. Again, with the Papacy itself materially affected by stronger countries grabbing territory from its weaker neighbours, one would have thought for that reason alone, Papal sympathies would have been with Ukraine. As far as the legality of the issue, furthermore, it's not really something on which the Pope is even entitled to an opinion - it is a settled matter, under international law (also, incidentally, a law uncriticized at the time as unfair or unjust. No one within the Vatican complained about it at all so we can therefore take as read that the Holy See's silence on the topic after 1991 meant it had no objections to Ukraine's right to be its own sovereign country?). Presumably, popes subscribe to the notion that international law is valid? And presumably popes see the inherent rightness of the international community creating such a framework - one which is designed so that everyone is clear about what the rules are, agrees to be bound by them and that they are enforced for everyone's security and well-being - and that countries which break them are at fault? The Pope and his advisors must surely be aware of the dozens of Treaties which Russia has already broken so why they think any sort of negotiated peace would be a stable, long term solution is extraordinary.... It does not seem that complicated. It's not like Northern Ireland here which was - remains - a moral maze. Of all the major wars of the past 500 years, surely this one is the easiest and most obvious to define who is not just legally wronged, but morally too? The Pope's failure to acknowledge this and to demand Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine, is dissembling and equivocating - and leaves Francis wide open to similar criticism levelled at Pius XII and his behaviour throughout WW2 - He may well have helped thousands of Jews - but he also bargained with the Devil to get the Nazis not to bomb Rome. He also conceded to German bishops the right to be Nazi party members. And I get how dangerous the times were - I guess in some instances it was merely expeditious for prelates to be members so as to fly under the radar... Again though, many were not merely looking for cover but joined our of conviction, hardly therefore a good look for the Church either then or in hindsight. As for "staying neutral"(even with the "noble" intentions of creating possible conditions that Russia would trust the Holy See to be an impartial mediator) well, as already said, there IS no neutral and thus for the Vatican to act like there is, is at least dishonest and at worst, an absolutely shameful avoidance of standing up for the rights of the wronged. Whether America is helping Ukraine or not, is also irrelevant - it doesn't change either the legal nor moral landscape. I think it's a great pity, as the Pope draws ever closer to his twilight, that such a misjudgement as this could shade all his other endeavours. While you admire him for his refusal to be diverted from his course, nearly everyone else just sees a misguided, naive and stubborn old man, doubling down on bad decisions...
In fact, so egregious is the Pope's failure to utterly condemn Russia ... in fact!!!!! it is not a fact, it is an opinion ..... nobody denies that Russia initiated a special military operation and it is perfactly sensible to believe that the negotiation in Istanbul in spring 2022 was the purpose of the SMO. For the rest, you are enjoying a self-righteous rant in ignorance of the whole history of this conflict and have swallowed all KIev's atrocity propaganda sinker, hook and line. Please note for instance that the people in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine do wish to be Russians. The aggressors in this conflict are the war-mongering neo-conservatives in Washinton who have started one war after another all over the world for the last 25 years. Anyone who stands for peace and the end of bloodshed in this atmosphere of atavistic heatred should be applauded.
18:43, Keep this in mind if there is an attempt to extend the Sacrament of Holy Orders to women. Any hope of healing the Great Schism would be shattered for centuries.
But there are eastern church’s with an unbroken line of deaconesses from apostolic times - the Arminian and the Russian Orthodox Church’s - and many have revived their female diaconates more recently like Greece. As long as we weren’t talking of priesthood or a diaconate of the same order as men there is a lot of eastern precedent for it - so much so it could even be seen as part of Romes realignment towards certain eastern customs
Dear@@minui8758, thank you for that observation. I think you are onto something. Pope Francis has said that NO ordination for women into any of the orders of priesthood is possible. But we may not be hearing all the thoughts behind his repeated requests for greater ministries in the Church for women. Reunion with Orthodox is certainly a tantalizing motive!
Pope should be dealing with matters that we really need to be addressed, like that Jesuit’s the so called Artist 😣, that was having sex with more then 20 religious nuns. We have so many sex problems that to this day he has not addressed. I am so upset with this Pope, that I am not going to church. Period.🇺🇸🙏😢
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Dear fellow Catholic, cutting off your support for the Church because the pope has failed you, is only helping the devil. It is our lack of faith in Jesus that causes sin to flourish. We should all be coming closer to Him and embracing His gifts of the sacraments, not turning our backs on Him. Don't you agree?
As a 82 year old Catholic all my life I say that, We are getting pretty tired of one wrong comment after another from this man. He should be doing what Benedictine did resign and go to Castle Gandolfo. I don’t know what pope is thinking that he is, well, not a representative of Peter for sure. Can’t take this craziness anymore. 😣
Pope Francis gives too many interviews IMO , less is more , he seems to put his foot in his mouth , maybe he's too enthusiastic to help . pray for the Pope pray for the church ..
The fallacy of ecumenical relations especially between the Vatican and Anglicans is just so obvious. Leo XIII decreed that Anglican Orders are Invalid….that teaching from Rome has not changed, been amended or cancelled. Yet now we have Anglican ‘women priests and bishops’, all created within that group in the last 30 years. And recently the pope invited a ‘woman bishop’ to attend the regular 9 cardinals meeting in the vatican. This was really an insult, a scandal to Catholics. There can not be women priests or bishops and how such can ever add to a Catjolic meeting is baffling, gobsmacking for sure. It is a scandal. Yes. And yet this pontiff has done it, much like the guillotinining of the great liturgy of centuries which had been horrendous. The Catholic Church ought suspend and inter religious dialogue with Anglicans as nothing has been or will ever be achieved with them since their break with Rome in 1535. Bravo to Coptic Church.
I really am disappointed that those who committed or covered up scandal keep staying in good graces with this papacy as long as they are viewed as "progressive."
And the last comment, about "synodality". Did you know that in 1917, the year of colossal changes in Russia (fall of Tsar in 02.1917, Bolshevik coup in 11.1917) the Orthodox church of Russia held a "Local Synod of Russian Orthodox Church". And on this synod the main decision concerned the abandonment of the synodality of the church and return to the Patriarch model? That the Russian Orthodox church admitted that the synodality model though giving bishops more say about the church at the same time had made the lay authority of the Tsar supreme? Thus it was the lay person, the Tsar who was the head of the church, not the clerics? That such model led to the tyranny of the Bolsheviks and Communists? That, as history has proved, the return to Patriarchy saved the Church from extinction? And now our Pope attempts to tell us that the synodality is the panacea for all the ills of the world! What an irony!
Did everyone thought about the fact, that he is not believed, because he lost credibility? Right now, is the Ukraine situation, but there are several other situations and people see these things. He says one thing, then he does something else and in his conception that confusion is good for creativity, he doesn’t understand, that the incubation stage during the process of creation is confusing, but then something has to born. And the new thing has to have sense. If that doesn’t happen, you are perceived incongruent (someone, who doesn’t act in accordance with his believes) at best. He has an army of people to smooth communication and is a disaster every single time he opens his mouth. By the way, dear John, this is what makes him a “maverick”, with the marvelous image of the “revolutionary Pope”, an image he is in love with. He is operating change for the sake of the change.
1) I’m glad the Pope is standing up to Ukraine and the West. Ukraine has rejected negotiated peace since the beginning. Anyone who is adamantly against negotiations almost deserves war. 2) Good job to the Coptic Orthodox Church for standing up to Pope Francis and all the other weak Catholics who are promoting blessings of gay couples and normalizing lgbt relationships. We need strong defenders of orthodoxy right now in the world and the Coptic Orthodox Church is leading the way to promoting the true faith in the midst of heresy. We should take note and encourage Catholic bishops to not be afraid to stand up for the true faith.
The Pope is a good man but he should speak less on the Ukraine-Russia war. Interviews are not the best way for older people to communicate. They tend to do better in written form, from my experience as a 78 year old. A good show as always.
There was a time when the Holy See exercised custody over its thoughts. Especially at a time when few thoughts ever go unpublished, it might actually be more helpful to travel the difficult road toward peace in silence.
In 1920 Rome required clerical celibacy and about 200,000😂 Ukrainian Byzantine Rite left the Catholic Church. 100th in 2020 of February Russia Ukraine War started.
14:50 In my opinion, the "bad guys" of the story can rightfully be called the invaders who leave behind mass graves, raped women, and destroyed cities, and the "good guys" are those who try to protect the victims from these horrors. The Pope would have had a golden opportunity to show clear and strong moral leadership, but he has been a massive disappointment. It's such a clear failure that I believe it leaves a stain on Pope Francis's legacy.
What about those who sexually harass those women (soldiers), who went to Ukraine to fight for them, who are those, the good or the bad guys? Don\t be so unidimensional! Is so immature.
@@anttivirolainen8223 Strangely, I agree. However this guys are equally abusive towards others, when they have power. And lats don\t forget, that western powers were not that concerned about other countries in other wars or post WWII. They left eastern Europe to Stalin, who was infinitely more mad than Putin.
@@anthonyhulse1248 You mean it's a 'Catholic duty' to support war mongering MIC in their endless empire adventures? Please keep our dear Church out of your rotten politics!
For once I apparently agree with thrbpope's general direction on this. The urgency for something which will hault the March to a possible wider war in Eastern Eutope. The "war lobby" in Washington/ Ukraine/London and the general international movement. The observation, in sane circles, has increasingly been made that the way the world got into the disastrous World War One. But now its a world with nuclear weapons. The Church has advocated, while condemming the Russian invasion, exploratory talks. The basic statement for talks two months. Many have called for talks but ALSO keeping Ukraine NEUTRAL and NOT some kind of NATO corridor closer to the Russia. The pope has been a more moderate voice in this direction. But Everyone should be praying for peace at this point.
We need a council to more accurately define the papacy and its role in church teaching andd tradition. This pope is abusing the papacy and needs to be restrained
Am I only one who remembers it this way. In the movies of my youth a white flag usually meant "lets talk ”. A rider from one side of the battlefield waved the flag and then received permission to address the other side. In the interest of fair play a white flag meant I won't shoot at you please don't shoot at me. And then when the results of the talks needed to be returned to the other side, the rider galloped across the field to rejoin their troops. If this were the context a white flag doesn't necessarily mean surrender, it means let's talk or in other words let's negotiate. The willingness to negotiate can be a courageous move.
What exactly should Ukraine negotiate about? If someone were attacked on the street, would the victim be obligated to negotiate with the assailant about how much he/she can be beaten?
@@Jimboken1 All wars end in some form of peace agreement, but true peace doesn't just mean the cessation of hostilities. The end result must be a peace acceptable, secure, and fair to Ukraine. This cannot be achieved as long as Russia occupies about a fifth of Ukraine's territories and offers peace on terms that would essentially strip Ukraine of its self-determination. Russia must be persuaded to abandon its intentions. Secondly, for peace negotiations to make any sense, there should be roughly equal arguments at the negotiating table. This is certainly not the case here. As I mentioned, Ukraine essentially has everything at stake, whereas Russia faces no threat in any scenario.
@@anttivirolainen8223 Your preference or mine has nothing to do with it. A total and unconditional surrender is not going to happen so a mutually agreed settlement is inevitable and could and should have been arrived at a long long time ago and 100k deaths ago if Joe Biden had wanted it. Try and desist from being silly.
Pope Francis has not been silent about the war in Ukraine. He has condemned this war and called for stopping it immediately. He has attempted a peace mission. Yet, it is broadly expected that the Pope of Rome should be acting first and foremost as the spiritual leader and teacher. Regrettably, I have to express my opinion that - Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly expressed his views about the Moscow Patriarchate's attempts to provide religious inspiration and justification not only for the war in Ukraine, but for the Russian authorities' nationalistic aggressive ideas of "spiritual" supremacy of Russia and its "holy" role in the modern world as a "defender" of Christianity and "traditional" values, "Russian world", and so on. - Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly offered his vision on the spiritual position of the Moscow’s Patriarch blessing a murderous war, elevating it to the status of a crusade and preaching presumed forgiveness of personal sins of all the Russian soldiers involved in this war. - Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly offered a spiritual teaching on the incompatibility of Christianity and nationalism as it specifically applies to the war in Ukraine and current nationalistic tendencies in the world. My belief is that it is vitally essential. From this perspective, it is hard to appreciate and accept the lack of Pope Francis' spiritual reaction to such a challenge and its replacement by a public stance regarding political aspects, in which the Pope Francis’ competence looks doubtful. Sincerely, bishop Vincent Berg.
If he's corrupt or not, he's quite obviously sympathetic generally to EU/UN globalists. He's correct that a negotiated settlement is the only possible end to the Ukraine war. I wish he was an able eloquent statesman but he's not.
I hope not. Benedict retired, now if Francis retires, then popes retire. And also they can be forced to retire. They will be more susceptible to external pressure. ATM popes die in office. Bxvi left ship and we got this one. Imagine if this one jumps as well.
The has been no approval or permission for blessing "same sex unions", the document is merely a clarification that an individual or individuals can be blessed even if not in a state of grace and in an irregular situation, including persons in a same sex relationship. All while reaffirming church teaching.
@@Steveorino123 Nonsense. Of course you are. Fr Martin's photostory of his same sex couple blessing the next day in the NYT delivered the reality of Fiducia to the world. It is all about couples who are not unions but also not really couples because they are individuals who only present themselves as couples to be blessed as individuals while standing before the priest as couples. And it's not a liturgical blessing by a priest who has received the sacrament of Holy Orders. DDF Prefect Victor Manuel Cardinal Fernández, forced to provide a 'clarification' (which he originally said would never be forthcoming) wherein he explained the sort of rare situation in which a bishop actually should withhold blessings from same-sex “couples”: "The cases of some Episcopal Conferences must be understood in their contexts. In several countries there are strong cultural and even legal issues that require time and pastoral strategies that go beyond the short term. If there are laws that condemn the mere act of declaring oneself as a homosexual with prison and in some cases with torture and even death, it goes without saying that a blessing would be imprudent. It is clear that the Bishops do not wish to expose homosexual persons to violence." Of course no bishop who had criticised Fiducia did so because blessings same sex couples would expose said homosexuals to violence. So according to Cardinal Fernández, the posture of the State and the pressures of the dominant culture should determine when the Church’s ministers will or will not give a blessing. That so many bishops of the world see the reality rather than sophistry of Fiducia could be because they're all wrong or it could be that you're a 'splainer. Fiducia is a document of casuistry unbecoming a Church teaching document. Fernandez should resign and if not should be fired, as Cardinal Zen recommended.
Please do we have to hear the ‘good guy, bad guy’ stuff. This is just American movie lingo which is never used in Europe, Asia or anywhere except in America and its just jarring and not the language of use here in Europe. Frankly, sick of it. This is a war of invasion by a nuclear power on a smaller state. That’s what it is, no ‘American guy’ stuff. This language is not used in diplomatic circles, as I well know.
Holy Father sought to quote Christ facing similar dilemma in avoiding further loss of tens of thousands of lives. This is is in Luke 14.31 "Or what king going to make war, aganist another king, sitteth not down first and consulteth whether he be able with 10 000 to meet him that cometh against with 20 000? Or while the other is yet a great way off he senderh an ambassage and seeketh conditions of Peace" The Holy Father unlike the secular sector governed by Mt. 5.9 "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God",
Our Pope is no statesman secular, spiritual or religious. Eleven long, looong years. His dreadful appointments are the very worst aspect of his papacy. The Coptic Patriarch is more catholic than Smoochy Fernandez and Pope Francis.
You won't be saying that when an absolutist government like Russia's rules over you because we all took a "not my problem" stance on it? No, fair enough, the West can't possibly get involved in every scrap - and why would we? Sudan vs South Sudan is an absolutely ghastly conflict which has no clear legal or moral position, is a localized, internal matter - and would in no way be "improved" by the support of one side of the other by a Western coalition.. .. Ukraine, on the other hand, is key to the future security of all of Europe. And lest you should be in any doubt about how grave the situation is, consider the decision taken by Sweden - hardly a rash, testy and belligerent nation - to join NATO - and, by doing so, end 200 years of neutrality. This is not like with so many previous occasions - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan where it was always highly dubious going into those places, none of which either asked for, nor wanted, foreign armies on their soil - and lessons seem to have been learned - by the West, at least. There is currently no serious suggestion that non Ukrainian soldiers should bolster the UA and indeed none are officially there, other than a few volunteers. We're ALL sick of this bullshit - we ALL wish it wasn't happening. NOBODY (reasonable) WANTS a war.... but if certain members of the international community cannot be relied on to curb their aggressive tendencies, that is a matter for all of us. We've already last year seen the uncertainty over fuel supply - and shocks to the price of both energy and food. That's not Ukraine's fault - Ukraine didn't want that to happen. There's only one actor in this drama, that can make the decision to stop and that's Russia. Unfortunately, if Putin won't make that decision, which he won't, that only leaves one other option... Fall back on your Man made religion and pray to your non existent god if you like. I won't stop you, or even object - can't say that could be guaranteed under Putin though, could you? One way or the other, and whether we we like it or not, we're involved. And we MUST afford it - because the alternative is so much more expensive...
Please stop saying that fiducia supplicans gave permission to bless gay unions. It couldn't be clearer that we can bless persons who might be in irregular marital situations but not unions.
Please stop trying to ignore the obvious. It is a blessing of couples and every single published photo that shows the blessings being bestowed is showing a couple. You labor far to much to make this go away.
The Coptics have no aid from the Orthodox and had much to gain from some sort of informal alliances with the Western Church. They are alone and persecuted. They have more moral integrity than most in the sheltered West could ever imagine or endure. No, they are not responding to Russia. They are responding to the Holy Spirit as they believe it has been received.
The Copts are very much closer to Catholicism than the Russian Orthodox. What you see is Fernandez and Francis' modernist nonsense offending other christians.
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After more than a decade as Pope, Pope Francis still conducts the papacy as if he is running a Jesuit theological symposium. It’s awful. Even most of his conjectures are theological train wrecks.
Francis honored & gave thumbs up to artist who put Crucifix in urine.😢
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Another week of chaos and confusion from the Vatican.
It's an old slogan but there's no peace without justice. The Holy Father seems to focus wholly on the former without reference to the latter.
I see Austen Ivereigh has issued one of his "Pope Francis right or wrong" statements on X about the Pope's remarks. The Vatican clearly has an over blown view of its influence on the world stage.
Oh come on John - I was waiting with baited breath to find out what you would say about this. I do enjoy, usually, your balanced opinion - however, the reality here is that there IS no balance. First of all, even if the interviewer did bring up the term "white flag" there's absolutely NO reason whatsoever why the pope should "pick up the word(s)". In fact, that was the perfect moment for the Pope to respond exactly in the manner the Ukrainians said to the Nuncio ....
In fact, so egregious is the Pope's failure to utterly condemn Russia - irrespective of his position as a "non Western leader (which diminishes the Pope to merely the ruler of a secular country - it is a purely political thing to say) - his primary role, especially to non Catholics, followers of other religions and none - is to be a beacon of moral virtue, leading by example, unbuffeted by earthly turbulence and commanding respect from all quarters. Furthermore, even if there IS an ulterior motive for the West (headed by the USA) that's hardly the point, is it? No one whatsoever denies that this is a war of naked aggression, against international law and the sole cause of countless hundreds of deaths per day - and perhaps even worse, rape, torture and the kidnapping of children, their transport into Russia and their adoption by Russian parents and to forget their own language, culture and identity. John, it is absolutely horrifying - and I feel extremely disappointed in someone who I believed was much more interested in being a fearless and exemplary Christian and not involving himself with politicking. I always thought he pointedly set aside the trappings of his position exactly to show he did not consider himself an exalted person - rather one interested only in promoting peace, tolerance, justice and love - not to appease both sides of a fight where one party is so clearly the aggressor. He would do well to recall that no fewer than five of his predecessors from 1870- 1929 spent the entirety of their reigns sulking inside the Vatican, refusing to leave and referring to themselves as "prisoners" because the Papal States had been absorbed into Italy during unification. Again, with the Papacy itself materially affected by stronger countries grabbing territory from its weaker neighbours, one would have thought for that reason alone, Papal sympathies would have been with Ukraine. As far as the legality of the issue, furthermore, it's not really something on which the Pope is even entitled to an opinion - it is a settled matter, under international law (also, incidentally, a law uncriticized at the time as unfair or unjust. No one within the Vatican complained about it at all so we can therefore take as read that the Holy See's silence on the topic after 1991 meant it had no objections to Ukraine's right to be its own sovereign country?). Presumably, popes subscribe to the notion that international law is valid? And presumably popes see the inherent rightness of the international community creating such a framework - one which is designed so that everyone is clear about what the rules are, agrees to be bound by them and that they are enforced for everyone's security and well-being - and that countries which break them are at fault? The Pope and his advisors must surely be aware of the dozens of Treaties which Russia has already broken so why they think any sort of negotiated peace would be a stable, long term solution is extraordinary....
It does not seem that complicated. It's not like Northern Ireland here which was - remains - a moral maze. Of all the major wars of the past 500 years, surely this one is the easiest and most obvious to define who is not just legally wronged, but morally too? The Pope's failure to acknowledge this and to demand Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine, is dissembling and equivocating - and leaves Francis wide open to similar criticism levelled at Pius XII and his behaviour throughout WW2 - He may well have helped thousands of Jews - but he also bargained with the Devil to get the Nazis not to bomb Rome. He also conceded to German bishops the right to be Nazi party members. And I get how dangerous the times were - I guess in some instances it was merely expeditious for prelates to be members so as to fly under the radar... Again though, many were not merely looking for cover but joined our of conviction, hardly therefore a good look for the Church either then or in hindsight.
As for "staying neutral"(even with the "noble" intentions of creating possible conditions that Russia would trust the Holy See to be an impartial mediator) well, as already said, there IS no neutral and thus for the Vatican to act like there is, is at least dishonest and at worst, an absolutely shameful avoidance of standing up for the rights of the wronged. Whether America is helping Ukraine or not, is also irrelevant - it doesn't change either the legal nor moral landscape.
I think it's a great pity, as the Pope draws ever closer to his twilight, that such a misjudgement as this could shade all his other endeavours. While you admire him for his refusal to be diverted from his course, nearly everyone else just sees a misguided, naive and stubborn old man, doubling down on bad decisions...
In fact, so egregious is the Pope's failure to utterly condemn Russia ... in fact!!!!! it is not a fact, it is an opinion .....
nobody denies that Russia initiated a special military operation and it is perfactly sensible to believe that the negotiation in Istanbul in spring 2022 was the purpose of the SMO.
For the rest, you are enjoying a self-righteous rant in ignorance of the whole history of this conflict and have swallowed all KIev's atrocity propaganda sinker, hook and line.
Please note for instance that the people in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine do wish to be Russians.
The aggressors in this conflict are the war-mongering neo-conservatives in Washinton who have started one war after another all over the world for the last 25 years.
Anyone who stands for peace and the end of bloodshed in this atmosphere of atavistic heatred should be applauded.
Congratulations to the Coptic Orthodox Church and HIS HOLINESS POPE TAWARDOS 2! Hopefully the RCC will come to its senses and recant the FS EDICT
18:43, Keep this in mind if there is an attempt to extend the Sacrament of Holy Orders to women. Any hope of healing the Great Schism would be shattered for centuries.
Rome shatters things century after century and will continue to shatter for centuries to come.
But there are eastern church’s with an unbroken line of deaconesses from apostolic times - the Arminian and the Russian Orthodox Church’s - and many have revived their female diaconates more recently like Greece. As long as we weren’t talking of priesthood or a diaconate of the same order as men there is a lot of eastern precedent for it - so much so it could even be seen as part of Romes realignment towards certain eastern customs
Dear@@minui8758, thank you for that observation. I think you are onto something. Pope Francis has said that NO ordination for women into any of the orders of priesthood is possible.
But we may not be hearing all the thoughts behind his repeated requests for greater ministries in the Church for women. Reunion with Orthodox is certainly a tantalizing motive!
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Pope should be dealing with matters that we really need to be addressed, like that Jesuit’s the so called Artist 😣, that was having sex with more then 20 religious nuns. We have so many sex problems that to this day he has not addressed. I am so upset with this Pope, that I am not going to church. Period.🇺🇸🙏😢
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O adorable Face of Jesus,
disfigured in the Passion, noble seal of the Divinity. Insulted, outraged by blasphemers.
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is Source, Center, Summit of our Faith.
Jesus truly present in Eucharist remains with us until end of time as He promised. Jesus wants deep friendship with us. Jesus our BFF. (Live Perpetual Adoration online) Also Catholic daily Mass online. Okay to stop giving money but don't leave Jesus because of Judas, Jesus warned there would be wolves in sheep's clothing.
If we are praying 1 hr daily, try for 2-3 hrs🙏
Dear fellow Catholic, cutting off your support for the Church because the pope has failed you, is only helping the devil. It is our lack of faith in Jesus that causes sin to flourish. We should all be coming closer to Him and embracing His gifts of the sacraments, not turning our backs on Him.
Don't you agree?
As always, enlightening, balanced and interesting. thank you.
As a 82 year old Catholic all my life I say that, We are getting pretty tired of one wrong comment after another from this man. He should be doing what Benedictine did resign and go to Castle Gandolfo. I don’t know what pope is thinking that he is, well, not a representative of Peter for sure. Can’t take this craziness anymore. 😣
Pope Francis gives too many interviews IMO , less is more , he seems to put his foot in his mouth , maybe he's too enthusiastic to help . pray for the Pope pray for the church ..
The fallacy of ecumenical relations especially between the Vatican and Anglicans is just so obvious. Leo XIII decreed that Anglican Orders are Invalid….that teaching from Rome has not changed, been amended or cancelled. Yet now we have Anglican ‘women priests and bishops’, all created within that group in the last 30 years. And recently the pope invited a ‘woman bishop’ to attend the regular 9 cardinals meeting in the vatican. This was really an insult, a scandal to Catholics. There can not be women priests or bishops and how such can ever add to a Catjolic meeting is baffling, gobsmacking for sure. It is a scandal. Yes. And yet this pontiff has done it, much like the guillotinining of the great liturgy of centuries which had been horrendous. The Catholic Church ought suspend and inter religious dialogue with Anglicans as nothing has been or will ever be achieved with them since their break with Rome in 1535. Bravo to Coptic Church.
I really am disappointed that those who committed or covered up scandal keep staying in good graces with this papacy as long as they are viewed as "progressive."
Keep it kaleidoscope.
And the last comment, about "synodality". Did you know that in 1917, the year of colossal changes in Russia (fall of Tsar in 02.1917, Bolshevik coup in 11.1917) the Orthodox church of Russia held a "Local Synod of Russian Orthodox Church". And on this synod the main decision concerned the abandonment of the synodality of the church and return to the Patriarch model? That the Russian Orthodox church admitted that the synodality model though giving bishops more say about the church at the same time had made the lay authority of the Tsar supreme? Thus it was the lay person, the Tsar who was the head of the church, not the clerics? That such model led to the tyranny of the Bolsheviks and Communists? That, as history has proved, the return to Patriarchy saved the Church from extinction? And now our Pope attempts to tell us that the synodality is the panacea for all the ills of the world! What an irony!
Did everyone thought about the fact, that he is not believed, because he lost credibility? Right now, is the Ukraine situation, but there are several other situations and people see these things. He says one thing, then he does something else and in his conception that confusion is good for creativity, he doesn’t understand, that the incubation stage during the process of creation is confusing, but then something has to born. And the new thing has to have sense. If that doesn’t happen, you are perceived incongruent (someone, who doesn’t act in accordance with his believes) at best. He has an army of people to smooth communication and is a disaster every single time he opens his mouth.
By the way, dear John, this is what makes him a “maverick”, with the marvelous image of the “revolutionary Pope”, an image he is in love with. He is operating change for the sake of the change.
1) I’m glad the Pope is standing up to Ukraine and the West. Ukraine has rejected negotiated peace since the beginning. Anyone who is adamantly against negotiations almost deserves war.
2) Good job to the Coptic Orthodox Church for standing up to Pope Francis and all the other weak Catholics who are promoting blessings of gay couples and normalizing lgbt relationships. We need strong defenders of orthodoxy right now in the world and the Coptic Orthodox Church is leading the way to promoting the true faith in the midst of heresy. We should take note and encourage Catholic bishops to not be afraid to stand up for the true faith.
The Pope is a good man but he should speak less on the Ukraine-Russia war. Interviews are not the best way for older people to communicate. They tend to do better in written form, from my experience as a 78 year old. A good show as always.
Well Francis certainly didn't enhance his image with his comments on the war in Ukraine, he damaged it but imo, he doesn't believe he misspoke!
There was a time when the Holy See exercised custody over its thoughts. Especially at a time when few thoughts ever go unpublished, it might actually be more helpful to travel the difficult road toward peace in silence.
Pray for our Pope Francis, God bless you Pope Francis today and always and forever and always
In 1920 Rome required clerical celibacy and about 200,000😂 Ukrainian Byzantine Rite left the Catholic Church. 100th in 2020 of February Russia Ukraine War started.
You don't go to the hospital for "minor non flu like symptoms"
If you're close to 90 years old, you may do just that.
14:50 In my opinion, the "bad guys" of the story can rightfully be called the invaders who leave behind mass graves, raped women, and destroyed cities, and the "good guys" are those who try to protect the victims from these horrors. The Pope would have had a golden opportunity to show clear and strong moral leadership, but he has been a massive disappointment. It's such a clear failure that I believe it leaves a stain on Pope Francis's legacy.
What about those who sexually harass those women (soldiers), who went to Ukraine to fight for them, who are those, the good or the bad guys? Don\t be so unidimensional! Is so immature.
@@mois5570 The so-called lists of sins of the two warring parties are not comparable in any way.
@@anttivirolainen8223 Strangely, I agree. However this guys are equally abusive towards others, when they have power. And lats don\t forget, that western powers were not that concerned about other countries in other wars or post WWII. They left eastern Europe to Stalin, who was infinitely more mad than Putin.
@@mois5570 wut?
They don’t want advice from 1000 km away…. but they’ll take $$$ from a 1000 km away no problem
Do you want advice when you need - and are asking - for money? No, thought not....
It is our Catholic duty to help protect Ukraine.
@@anthonyhulse1248
You mean it's a 'Catholic duty' to support war mongering MIC in their endless empire adventures?
Please keep our dear Church out of your rotten politics!
Pope Goofy the First.
If only he was sweet and lovable.
For once I apparently agree with thrbpope's general direction on this. The urgency for something which will hault the March to a possible wider war in Eastern Eutope. The "war lobby" in Washington/
Ukraine/London and the general international movement. The observation, in sane circles, has increasingly been made that the way the world got into the disastrous World War One. But now its a world with nuclear weapons. The Church has advocated, while condemming the Russian invasion, exploratory talks. The basic statement for talks two months. Many have called for talks but ALSO keeping Ukraine
NEUTRAL and NOT some kind of NATO corridor closer to the Russia. The pope has been a more moderate voice
in this direction. But Everyone should be praying for peace at this point.
Increasing defense spending will stop Russian expansion.
usurpers . ego much. brave honest papa
grassi, zanchetta, daneels, mcarrick, rupnik appointing roche, mcelroy, fernandez, screwing chinese catholics, sowing confusion, petty, vindictive, small-minded, petulant, bad-tempered
Ukraine is the Abortion Capital of Eastern Europe. Zelenskyy spoke of wanting more abortions opened for the full 9 months!
We need a council to more accurately define the papacy and its role in church teaching andd tradition. This pope is abusing the papacy and needs to be restrained
Am I only one who remembers it this way. In the movies of my youth a white flag usually meant "lets talk ”. A rider from one side of the battlefield waved the flag and then received permission to address the other side. In the interest of fair play a white flag meant I won't shoot at you please don't shoot at me. And then when the results of the talks needed to be returned to the other side, the rider galloped across the field to rejoin their troops. If this were the context a white flag doesn't necessarily mean surrender, it means let's talk or in other words let's negotiate. The willingness to negotiate can be a courageous move.
Popesplaining is hard work sometimes.
Pope Francis is perennially misinterpreted and lost in translation.
Poor bugger.
For once i agree with the pope, surrender is the wise thing to do, or at least negociate.
What exactly should Ukraine negotiate about? If someone were attacked on the street, would the victim be obligated to negotiate with the assailant about how much he/she can be beaten?
Francis is correct that settlement is the ONLY way to peace at this point.
It's his cack-handed ineptness that is the issue.
@@Jimboken1 All wars end in some form of peace agreement, but true peace doesn't just mean the cessation of hostilities. The end result must be a peace acceptable, secure, and fair to Ukraine. This cannot be achieved as long as Russia occupies about a fifth of Ukraine's territories and offers peace on terms that would essentially strip Ukraine of its self-determination. Russia must be persuaded to abandon its intentions.
Secondly, for peace negotiations to make any sense, there should be roughly equal arguments at the negotiating table. This is certainly not the case here. As I mentioned, Ukraine essentially has everything at stake, whereas Russia faces no threat in any scenario.
@@anttivirolainen8223 Your preference or mine has nothing to do with it.
A total and unconditional surrender is not going to happen so a mutually agreed settlement is inevitable and could and should have been arrived at a long long time ago and 100k deaths ago if Joe Biden had wanted it.
Try and desist from being silly.
Curiously, Bp Van Looy will serve as a Principal Co-Consecrator next month of Crd Fernández Artime and Abp-elect Piccinotti in St. Mary Major.
A for effort.
We have not Pope...the last legitimate Pope was Benedict XVI...
Pope Francis has not been silent about the war in Ukraine. He has condemned this war and called for stopping it immediately. He has attempted a peace mission.
Yet, it is broadly expected that the Pope of Rome should be acting first and foremost as the spiritual leader and teacher.
Regrettably, I have to express my opinion that
- Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly expressed his views about the Moscow Patriarchate's attempts to provide religious inspiration and justification not only for the war in Ukraine, but for the Russian authorities' nationalistic aggressive ideas of "spiritual" supremacy of Russia and its "holy" role in the modern world as a "defender" of Christianity and "traditional" values, "Russian world", and so on.
- Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly offered his vision on the spiritual position of the Moscow’s Patriarch blessing a murderous war, elevating it to the status of a crusade and preaching presumed forgiveness of personal sins of all the Russian soldiers involved in this war.
- Pope Francis, as the spiritual leader and teacher, has never publicly offered a spiritual teaching on the incompatibility of Christianity and nationalism as it specifically applies to the war in Ukraine and current nationalistic tendencies in the world.
My belief is that it is vitally essential. From this perspective, it is hard to appreciate and accept the lack of Pope Francis' spiritual reaction to such a challenge and its replacement by a public stance regarding political aspects, in which the Pope Francis’ competence looks doubtful.
Sincerely, bishop Vincent Berg.
What are the chances he is somehow corrupt and in pootin's pocket?
If he's corrupt or not, he's quite obviously sympathetic generally to EU/UN globalists.
He's correct that a negotiated settlement is the only possible end to the Ukraine war.
I wish he was an able eloquent statesman but he's not.
Pope Francis needs to retire. He makes a bigger and bigger mess of his reign. And his health is shot.
He needs to be deposed
I hope not. Benedict retired, now if Francis retires, then popes retire. And also they can be forced to retire. They will be more susceptible to external pressure.
ATM popes die in office. Bxvi left ship and we got this one. Imagine if this one jumps as well.
After the Ukraine suggestion now realize how Pope Francis is indeed an ENIGMAP!
@@chotelcadeeply agree with you
Wrong.
Luke 14:31
The has been no approval or permission for blessing "same sex unions", the document is merely a clarification that an individual or individuals can be blessed even if not in a state of grace and in an irregular situation, including persons in a same sex relationship. All while reaffirming church teaching.
Exactly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. What part of the doc don’t they understand?
So it's ok but unnecessary is your point.
Ur a tortured popesplainer
@@Jimboken1 - nope. I ain’t no ‘splainer of nuttin’.
@@Steveorino123 Nonsense. Of course you are.
Fr Martin's photostory of his same sex couple blessing the next day in the NYT delivered the reality of Fiducia to the world.
It is all about couples who are not unions but also not really couples because they are individuals who only present themselves as couples to be blessed as individuals while standing before the priest as couples.
And it's not a liturgical blessing by a priest who has received the sacrament of Holy Orders.
DDF Prefect Victor Manuel Cardinal Fernández, forced to provide a 'clarification' (which he originally said would never be forthcoming) wherein he explained the sort of rare situation in which a bishop actually should withhold blessings from same-sex “couples”:
"The cases of some Episcopal Conferences must be understood in their contexts. In several countries there are strong cultural and even legal issues that require time and pastoral strategies that go beyond the short term. If there are laws that condemn the mere act of declaring oneself as a homosexual with prison and in some cases with torture and even death, it goes without saying that a blessing would be imprudent. It is clear that the Bishops do not wish to expose homosexual persons to violence."
Of course no bishop who had criticised Fiducia did so because blessings same sex couples would expose said homosexuals to violence.
So according to Cardinal Fernández, the posture of the State and the pressures of the dominant culture should determine when the Church’s ministers will or will not give a blessing.
That so many bishops of the world see the reality rather than sophistry of Fiducia could be because they're all wrong or it could be that you're a 'splainer.
Fiducia is a document of casuistry unbecoming a Church teaching document. Fernandez should resign and if not should be fired, as Cardinal Zen recommended.
Please do we have to hear the ‘good guy, bad guy’ stuff. This is just American movie lingo which is never used in Europe, Asia or anywhere except in America and its just jarring and not the language of use here in Europe. Frankly, sick of it. This is a war of invasion by a nuclear power on a smaller state. That’s what it is, no ‘American guy’ stuff. This language is not used in diplomatic circles, as I well know.
Holy Father sought to quote Christ facing similar dilemma in avoiding further loss of tens of thousands of lives. This is is in Luke 14.31 "Or what king going to make war, aganist another king, sitteth not down first and consulteth whether he be able with 10 000 to meet him that cometh against with 20 000? Or while the other is yet a great way off he senderh an ambassage and seeketh conditions of Peace" The Holy Father unlike the secular sector governed by Mt. 5.9 "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God",
Our Pope is no statesman secular, spiritual or religious.
Eleven long, looong years.
His dreadful appointments are the very worst aspect of his papacy.
The Coptic Patriarch is more catholic than Smoochy Fernandez and Pope Francis.
Then go fly that yellow and blue flag WITH YOUR OWN MONEY!!! I’m sick of this bs, we don’t belong in this and we can’t afford it
You won't be saying that when an absolutist government like Russia's rules over you because we all took a "not my problem" stance on it?
No, fair enough, the West can't possibly get involved in every scrap - and why would we? Sudan vs South Sudan is an absolutely ghastly conflict which has no clear legal or moral position, is a localized, internal matter - and would in no way be "improved" by the support of one side of the other by a Western coalition..
.. Ukraine, on the other hand, is key to the future security of all of Europe. And lest you should be in any doubt about how grave the situation is, consider the decision taken by Sweden - hardly a rash, testy and belligerent nation - to join NATO - and, by doing so, end 200 years of neutrality. This is not like with so many previous occasions - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan where it was always highly dubious going into those places, none of which either asked for, nor wanted, foreign armies on their soil - and lessons seem to have been learned - by the West, at least. There is currently no serious suggestion that non Ukrainian soldiers should bolster the UA and indeed none are officially there, other than a few volunteers.
We're ALL sick of this bullshit - we ALL wish it wasn't happening. NOBODY (reasonable) WANTS a war.... but if certain members of the international community cannot be relied on to curb their aggressive tendencies, that is a matter for all of us. We've already last year seen the uncertainty over fuel supply - and shocks to the price of both energy and food. That's not Ukraine's fault - Ukraine didn't want that to happen. There's only one actor in this drama, that can make the decision to stop and that's Russia. Unfortunately, if Putin won't make that decision, which he won't, that only leaves one other option...
Fall back on your Man made religion and pray to your non existent god if you like. I won't stop you, or even object - can't say that could be guaranteed under Putin though, could you? One way or the other, and whether we we like it or not, we're involved. And we MUST afford it - because the alternative is so much more expensive...
Anthonyx2 did you study history? Czechoslovaks,Poland, six million Jews?????
@@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 You've been frightened into believing Russia a country with a GDP the size of Italy, is going to take over Europe.
Yes and the catholic church was on the wrong side in that one too.@@mayrafernandez7303
We are already in it, and yes, we can afford it because we definitely cannot afford Putin to win.
😢🇦🇷 DIRTY War
Please stop saying that fiducia supplicans gave permission to bless gay unions. It couldn't be clearer that we can bless persons who might be in irregular marital situations but not unions.
That is a distinction without a difference.
Please stop trying to ignore the obvious. It is a blessing of couples and every single published photo that shows the blessings being bestowed is showing a couple. You labor far to much to make this go away.
The "couple" is formed of persons, whom happen to have a relationship. Please stop saying, that fiducia supplicans is about blessing persons.
In the Coptic break with Rome, I perceive the pressure of Russia.
The Coptics have no aid from the Orthodox and had much to gain from some sort of informal alliances with the Western Church. They are alone and persecuted. They have more moral integrity than most in the sheltered West could ever imagine or endure. No, they are not responding to Russia. They are responding to the Holy Spirit as they believe it has been received.
The Copts are very much closer to Catholicism than the Russian Orthodox.
What you see is Fernandez and Francis' modernist nonsense offending other christians.