Alex M well by the time the rebel alliance was wide spread clones were phased out or retired because of their advanced age. Rex was already looking pretty old two years before a new hope when we saw him in rebels. He fought on Endor but not many clones were around fighting.
"Although the Clone Wars were over, some people never seem to get the message. The worst case of denial was Gizor Delso, a Geonosian Separatist who'd somehow escaped Lord Vader's efforts to wipe out the remnants of the CIS. Lord Vader tracked him to Mustafar, and brought us in to finish the job." -501st trooper journal.
Red Panda Rampage I remember this mission so fondly and the first the rhinf I said... "Just like the simulations" God I miss classix SWBF2, someone need to rebuild thw entire game or remaster it.
" By the time we'd made our way to the molten surface of Mustafar, it was apparent that Delso had been a busy little bug. All by his lonesome, he'd found a previously hidden droid factory, fired it up and cranked out his own private army of battle droids. Needless to say, this got the men of the 501st ... a little hot under the helmet, and not just because of all that lava. Truth be told we'd all had our fill of those gear heads during the war, and we couldn't stomach the thought of going through another one. So we blew them up. Blew up the droids, blew up the factory. Damn near blew up the planet. " - 501st Journal, " Tying up Loose Ends. "
Only the second ranking meatgrinder map, just behind polis massa. The main command room is always swarming with droids andis the hardest to clear out after each cp is taken.
This is what Canon gets wrong, even when I was a boy I was very annoyed by the fact that quintillions of droids were shut down by that one signal, you think that the CIS would have multiple master switches to prevent this, like what if a spy ever got their hands on it?
i would assume that since palpatine was aware that the galactic empire was going to be taking over soon, they did have multiple switches, but he probably had a master code to even override those even if they got hacked by a spy. a code that only he knew. however, over time, confederate generals and admirals probably found a way around his master code or something. idk.
Cody L But why would you have a shutdown code in your headquarters anyway? I get the idea, that you want to control the droid commanders from there who give it further down the military command line (like in any other army!) but it seems REALLY unrealistic that you can DIRECTLY control literally trillions of droids in the galaxy to idk, one single position I think avoiding a massive shutdown would be the first thing we would consider in our world when building a *ROBOT* army
The droids were given orders not just shut down but some droids went against the signal. General Kalani the tactical droid decided it must be a republic trick and ordered his troops to stay active. I think the idea of one place that could shut them all down was abandoned after the attack on Naboo but they did have a place that could sent signals or transmissions to them all.
LEGO Rocket Raccoon I feel like if all the leaders were not on Mustafar to get slaughtered, then many more droids could have been reactivated and built
pilkers2 shame he didn’t survive, would have been great to see him in more of the Star Wars films, palpatine had so much control over the war, he even planned out when people would die on either side, just like Grevious
That is why I believe Palpatine always meant to get rid of him. I doubt he knew Obi-Wan would kill the general, but he was likely very happy to be rid of Grievous.
Too many ! And R’s and makes it seem childish, should be more like Commander: “Never deactivate, Never surrender, Don’t back down.” Droids: “Roger Roger.”
mamster233 The entire war was dumb. The Clone Wars was apparently the biggest war in the Galaxy but only had two entirely expendable armies those being Droids and clones. What's really the cost of the war when you never see people die in the Prequels? Just random unnamed Droids and clones.
Same with the clone army and its order 66 The thing is that both the clone army and droid army were basically a big plot by palpatine to take over so likely he implemented that without anyone knowing
@@smorgington Sometimes like being a good guy will be referred as the bad guy. They'll treat you like one, just for their own opinions. Fighting each other just to see what can be agreed.
There wasnt a good or a bad side in the clone wars. The separatists wanted to be free of the decaying republic, the republic in turn didnt want planets leaving the galactic republic fearing that its senate would be seen as "weak" and incompetent. When neither side came to a peaceful resolution. Darth Sidious set his plans in motion. He would feed the fears of both sides, and weaken them enough until he was sure that when we would overthrow the senate, neither side could opose against his imperial doctrine on a massive galaxy wide scale, the mass shut down Of the droids, count dookus death, the cerebral implants in the clones (order 66) all part of his plan that he played out for years with his true nature and intentions hidden under everybodys noses until it was far too late to do anything about it. He played both sides like a violin.
Gotta wonder what the war would have looked like if small pockets of Seps held on long enough for the Rebellion to Rise and a few Leaders or Planets contributed weapons and or droids for the cause.
Brian Vulcan, then the war would have actually been an even fight-with the same back and forth battles as The Clone Wars. Only the equipment and sides have changed.
True, but that was for less than a day. I imagine something a little bigger. Picture a couple of confederate generals with their garrisons on the run at the time that the Empire is still mercilessly hunting down Jedi (they were kinda past that point in Rebels, sure they still kept an eye out for them but they weren't a priority). These generals come across a Jedi, perhaps long time rivals on the battlefield, but they realize that they are suddenly on the same side of the conflict. The separatists keep the jedi knowing that they will lead the Empire to them. The empire launches a full scale assault to crush the seperatists and capture the Jedi and... yeah... Basically that episode of Rebels but with more butthurt, conflicted separatists with actual feelings and a bigger battle between pseudo-stormies and droids. Something I'd like to see.
Something similar happened in the kanan comics. Though it was on a small scale, basically just an seperatist general helping kanan hide from clones hunting him.
In an alternate universe... "Sir, we have a problem." "What is it?" "Sir, someone reactivated one of the planets dedicated to producing arms for the CIS. There's several billion battle droids, and millions of ships, spreading out from a planet on the outer rim. They've annihilated several star destroyer fleets, and have retaken several other key factory worlds." *Panic attack ensues*
@@luigimrlgaming9484 1) Who are you to say, mr. Master Strategist? 2) Even if the ship designs are older, a dozen of the CIS's heavier ships hammering on an ISD will do their damage. And yeah, ramming is an option, as the price to produce one of the droid ships is significantly lower than the price to produce an Imperial Star Destroyer. A droid crewed ship, realistically, can be completely devoid of systems that would be necessary for a biological crew. 3) This wasn't even a super serious comment.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 While the CIS ships aren't very durable like the ISD, they're a lot cheaper and easier to mass produce (not to mention they're armed to the teeth to make up for their weak shielding and armor) so if they had a sizeable fleet they could very well push back the empire
@@luigimrlgaming9484 What you're missing is that the CIS mass produce ships of superior firepower than the empire could hope to match. One star destroyer lost will take a few months to replace, one recusant lost would take maybe a few weeks to a single month
Dahkittydoonsta “By the time we landed on Mustafar it had been apparent that Delso had been a busy little bug. All by his lonesome, he found a previously hidden droid Factory. Fired it up and cranked his own private army of Battle Droids. This made the men of the 501st a little hot under the helmet. And not because of all that lava”.
@@212th "We were making our way to the droid factory to destroy but before we could hit it we saw 1 Providence class Dreadnaught, 2 Frigates and 1 Lucrehulk battle cruiser I was impressed on what Delso was planning to try to stop us. I immediately got into my tie fighter and aimed for the Dreadnaught however that ship had so much firepower more then I have ever seen but I got through it and destroyed a few auto cannons I then attacked the shield generator which then left the ship open for attack but I saw a fighter I never seen or fought before it looked so weird like a droid then I realized it was a Vulture Droid back from the clone wars I remembered the times of fighting it, I got past it and made my way to the Lucrehulk. As I was making my way there I remembered how Anakin destroyed a Lucrehulk in the battle of Naboo when he told me about it so I did what he did. While I was on my way to the hanger I saw other tie fighters were struggling against the Lucrehulk so I knew I had to destroy it. I flew in it then shot down the main reactor and then the ship exploded I felt proud. By the time I destroyed the star destroyed finished of the last 2 Frigates. Gizor Delso's plan failed he got caught and the factory was destroyed, we won the battle it felt like I was back in the clone wars destroying the CIS army. As I got back into the hanger and exited my tie fighter the commander congratulated me on destroying a Lucrehulk I felt so proud from that and he promoted me to a pro pilot rank and I can thank Anakin for that" -501st Pilot that fought in the battle of Mustafar, of The Empire vs The Separatist Alliance.
@@Turbulation1 Nah the pilot would've been almost immediately shot down by the munificent class star frigate's point defense systems. The munificent was deadly to ARC fighters and those had actual shields, a tie wouldn't stand a chance.
Juat tell us when to open fire, general. Oh and also, sorry for your battalion turning on you. We had a chip in our heads. But some of us didn't execute order 66 and we are ready to still fight for you general!
The Separatist still has their leader which is General Kalani. Hope we can see him in the future Star Wars..... perhaps in the Han solo movie as cameo appearance.
Poison Oh dearie, dearie me. First, Anakin killed Admiral Trench, not General Kalani. Second, most people probably don't know that as it's in the unfinished episodes. Third, Kalani is very much alive. (functioning?) Fourth, don't call other people idiots when YOU are so very clearly thick, ignorant and uninformed about the subjects on which you speak yourself, sweetie.
I like Legends better than the New Canon, but I think both the Legends and New Canon version of the Seperatist Holdouts are both equally good and cool.
The droid army fought bravely and they held their ground it is awesome to hear about the cis holdouts after the clone wars and amazing and great. video.
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The continued injustice and lack of attention the separatist movement receives in canon is quite frankly sad. We only get the viewpoint of the separatists in a few episodes of the clone wars and the former separatist worlds are completely ignored except in the book Tarkin and the horrifying fate of Geonosys. We know that these worlds and aliens are repressed in general but there is no coverage on it. It is actually quite similar to real world systematic ethnic oppression going on in China (Xinjiang, Tibet) and other places most people only vaguely know about. I would like it to be addressed by the new Canon also more inclusivity for aliens would be appreciated. Thank you for making this video it is a definite step in the right direction.
I want a movie where some rebels find an old droid factory and reactivate it and improve their AI. Would be so cool to see rebels and droids fighting side by side.
It would have been nice to see some droid squads from the former separatist droid army painted with the colors and the logos of the rebel alliance. B1 battle droids deserve a redemption arc !
Indeed. He has a gloriously sculpted chassis, and truly awesome paint scheme, as well as one of the finest minds in the Galaxy. I wish I was issued a Super Tactical Droid like you but due to supply reasons I had to stick with TX-50 my standard T-Series Tactical Droid.
General Kalani Well he isn't exactly idiotic, his computational abilities are just not as modern or sophisticated as yours. That being said, he is still smarter than most Imperial officers.
2:47 makes me wanna cry ..... rhey were just doing what they were told to, just holding out waiting for further orders 😭😭😭 reminds me of the mars rover
This needs to be added in Battlefront 2, battles between the newly formed Empire and the Separatist Holdouts, and this time the Jedi is on the Separatist side and the Empire has Sith, pretty neat idea imo.
Droids. They will die constantly and just be brought back to life to die again, they have no free will but still can feel emotions and they are killed by their general for talking too much
Zorastorm 32 Legends Clones were treated as war heroes and were highly decorated... in paradise worlds. Native Populations hated them because of an aggressive occupation policy from the Republic and Imperial governments, but citizens cannot do anything about them much less lynch them in fear of being executed.
Disney-filoni wars; Well it’s what I think happened without reading books and comics. Legends-expanded universe: we are the bones of Star Wars. Filoni is not creative enough to save his company
Gizor Delso- the only Geonosian worth fighting in BF2...1. BF2-1? I'unno. Either way- the 501st Journal was one of the best FPS campaigns I've ever had the privilege of playing. To me, it was the Dawn of War 1 of FPS- something glorious, resplendent to behold. It was frustrating, always having to skirt the line of running out of reinforcements, terrifying when you realised "Wow, I might actually fail the mission if I die here!", and it was thrilling when you pulled through, and a new wave of AI-buddies dropped in to cover you while you did your job. The space battles might've been iffy, and could've been done better. Hero Battles could've had more done to them, and some of the missions were nightmarish to play at times- Line in the Sand, I'm glaring at you -but by god, that game was *worth* putting up with its flaws. To see it de-canonised, and relegated to the foggy mire of Legends, brings a metaphorical tear to my eyes, even if we got TCW in exchange. The BF series were my introduction to Star Wars as a franchise. I'd seen the films, but I'd never really embraced them as a greater thing until I'd played BF1 and 2 with my brother on the PS2. I'd never felt such frustration and joy at a game until I'd played Rogue Squadron 2 on the Gamecube- god bless you, you beautiful bastard -and I'd never felt that level of achievement, of satisfaction at completing a game until I'd finished them both.
one of the worst things about the prequel trilogies is how the after three movies the septets fall lamely in one short scean once they are no longer naratavly usefull, it feels so cheap. Just a small hint at the stuff in this vidio would help a bit.
OnionBoy * The thing is that the separatists were the good guys. They had a functioning council and were little worlds/outer rim worlds which had to pay high taxes to the republic but weren’t represented by the republic council which consisted of rich core planet people only thinking about themselves.
I love the CIS separatist, and was always curious what became of them after the clone wars, so much so that in a current GURPS game my character is a reactivated magnaguard on the hunt for the reminants of the separatist forces and refusing to give up the war despite it being 10 years after said war ended.
I kind of wish that there were spin-off series that covered "What If" scenarios. Like what if Palpatine was discovered to be a Sith way before Episode 3, or what if Anakin didn't trust Palpatine enough to kill Windu, or what if the clones Disobeyed Order 66 En Masse, etc.
That was one interesting story! It sounds very familiar because it could happen in real life when as a war is ending there can be remnants and holdouts of a certain foe! I do wonder about the Imperial Holdouts still out there in the galaxy in Canon in the time period before the Sequel Trilogy. I’m sure in time, we could do a comparison of both Imperial Holdouts and Seperatist holdouts in those different Star Wars eras. Thanks, Mr. Lore Master.
Once again the Legends has a better more in depth and bigger storyline then whatever Disney can crap out. Also I can safely say that I bombed out that level on SWBF2, was fun to shock the bugs out of the sky.
It’s so sad the separatists were pawns the rebel’s were so stupid for not trying to build new droid armies . They could have done a bit better against the empire
But droids didn't work with the Rebels strategy. They were so slow and meant to be deployed in mass, but the empire could already do that and be better at it since their soldiers could think and adapt. Rebellion forces were focused on highly mobile, hit and run operations.
Really great video, but I think that Toonbuck Toora should had some space in video too. She was last living main separatist leader after Mustafar masacre. Toora reactivated droids and led the last bigger CIS resistance after clone wars.
I'd love to have a feature length movie focusing on the Empire's campaign against Separatist Holdouts. Would it really be that bad if Disney makes some awesome Legends material Canon?
It's funny... I listen to these star wars lore videos about the clone wars and most of it I've heard from battlefront 2 for PS2, even some parts are word for word as well. (Like the one video talking about the clones perspective of geonocis, the way the lore master described it, it was almost word for word of the clone talking throughout the story. And there was also a mission on mustafar where you kill the bug dude.) Don't know if the Lore master is just reading off the script of battlefront 2 or if that old PS2 game was really that accurate to the lore, ha ha.
They should include this in the present Battlefront 2. It would be interesting to see imperials fight separatists, Grievous against Vader or something in later DLCs.
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Jedi and Seperatists teaming up against the Clones/Empire, pretty crazy
Alex M almost as crazy as Freeza and Goku teaming up... oh wait that happened and it was awesome!
Alex M well by the time the rebel alliance was wide spread clones were phased out or retired because of their advanced age. Rex was already looking pretty old two years before a new hope when we saw him in rebels. He fought on Endor but not many clones were around fighting.
SHAZAM DC Meh that’s your opinion just like how I think Buu was a pretty boring villain but Cell would be awesome
It's pretty cool. Charging at them, "For the Jedi!"
Well...war...war never changes. 🤔
"Although the Clone Wars were over, some people never seem to get the message. The worst case of denial was Gizor Delso, a Geonosian Separatist who'd somehow escaped Lord Vader's efforts to wipe out the remnants of the CIS. Lord Vader tracked him to Mustafar, and brought us in to finish the job." -501st trooper journal.
Red Panda Rampage I love the 501st journal
Red Panda Rampage "Any droid we don't destroy today will come back to haunt us tomorrow"
Red Panda Rampage I remember this mission so fondly and the first the rhinf I said...
"Just like the simulations"
God I miss classix SWBF2, someone need to rebuild thw entire game or remaster it.
" By the time we'd made our way to the molten surface of Mustafar, it was apparent that Delso had been a busy little bug. All by his lonesome, he'd found a previously hidden droid factory, fired it up and cranked out his own private army of battle droids. Needless to say, this got the men of the 501st ... a little hot under the helmet, and not just because of all that lava.
Truth be told we'd all had our fill of those gear heads during the war, and we couldn't stomach the thought of going through another one.
So we blew them up. Blew up the droids, blew up the factory. Damn near blew up the planet. "
- 501st Journal, " Tying up Loose Ends. "
Only the second ranking meatgrinder map, just behind polis massa.
The main command room is always swarming with droids andis the hardest to clear out after each cp is taken.
I wish we could see the rebellion using separatist ships and battle droids.
there is a comic that has the rebels using a modified cis capitol ship. and another where they use a lucrehulk battleship as a super carrier
Well there was a droid in Rogue One.
Pretty sure that would give some Imperials PTSD.
The Empire might be screwed if the rebellion like used the factories.
They dont use them because they represent a enemy and a symbol of fear from a past era
The CIS' army is the most underrated army in Star Wars tbh. Probably the coolest army as well.
CIS come back!
And the worst part about it is they weren't even evil. Just people trying to escape the republic
@@wyatt3552, I do wish they make a short show about the CIS or a mini movie. Maybe even an alternate timeline where they win.
Probably the biggest too
Clones were the coolest for me but Cis is definitely underrated
This is what Canon gets wrong, even when I was a boy I was very annoyed by the fact that quintillions of droids were shut down by that one signal, you think that the CIS would have multiple master switches to prevent this, like what if a spy ever got their hands on it?
To be honest, in the real world, we have water treatment facilities that can be hacked by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of programming.
i would assume that since palpatine was aware that the galactic empire was going to be taking over soon, they did have multiple switches, but he probably had a master code to even override those even if they got hacked by a spy. a code that only he knew. however, over time, confederate generals and admirals probably found a way around his master code or something. idk.
Cody L But why would you have a shutdown code in your headquarters anyway? I get the idea, that you want to control the droid commanders from there who give it further down the military command line (like in any other army!) but it seems REALLY unrealistic that you can DIRECTLY control literally trillions of droids in the galaxy to idk, one single position
I think avoiding a massive shutdown would be the first thing we would consider in our world when building a *ROBOT* army
The droids were given orders not just shut down but some droids went against the signal. General Kalani the tactical droid decided it must be a republic trick and ordered his troops to stay active. I think the idea of one place that could shut them all down was abandoned after the attack on Naboo but they did have a place that could sent signals or transmissions to them all.
LEGO Rocket Raccoon I feel like if all the leaders were not on Mustafar to get slaughtered, then many more droids could have been reactivated and built
I'd like to hear more about the little droid communities that formed after the Separatist army shutdown.
The Clanker uprising
Imagine an entire planet of Separatist droids with their own society and everything; I think that'd be cool
@@UnclePhil6705 And then when they meet an outsider : Blast Them! *Pew* Pew Pew
@@UnclePhil6705 “And now! The Battle Droid Anthem!”
“Roger Roger! Roger Roger!”
They remind me of the japanese Marines who got stationed on the oceanian islands during ww2
If grievous survived the droid army would be a full on threat to the empire
@Kız arkadaşımı seviyorum Perhaps begrudging like. Or at the very least tolerated them.
pilkers2 shame he didn’t survive, would have been great to see him in more of the Star Wars films, palpatine had so much control over the war, he even planned out when people would die on either side, just like Grevious
Landon P you underestimate canon grievous
ぢえご naw he would just add Luke’s lightsaber to his collection
That is why I believe Palpatine always meant to get rid of him. I doubt he knew Obi-Wan would kill the general, but he was likely very happy to be rid of Grievous.
NEVER DEACTIVATE! NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT! ROGER ROGERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
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Roger Roger
Roger Roger
Roger roger!!!
Too many ! And R’s and makes it seem childish, should be more like
Commander: “Never deactivate, Never surrender, Don’t back down.”
Droids: “Roger Roger.”
I remember seeing droids fighting stormtroopers on Geonosis, for Gamecubes Rebel Strike. You even find Obi-Wans Jedi Star Fighter all rusted.
I wonder what R4 did during all that time.
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R4 was somehow rescued, as it ended up dying in RotS.
Four years late but can we get an f for r4
f
But one question still not answered..
What abaut the droid atack on the wookies?
GODZILLA:Destroyer of Kiryus ! But what about the Clones attack on the Droids?
What about the wookie attack on the droids?
GODZILLA:Destroyer of Kiryus ! What about the imperial attack on the sepratists
GODZILLA:Destroyer of Kiryus ! what about me?
*_You beat me to it._*
The whole idea of the Separatist Droids being shut down after pressing one button is pretty dumb...
mamster233 Well don't forget that the whole war was a giant conspiracy to begin with.
@@edgardeloera2874kinda like the weakness in death star
mamster233 The entire war was dumb. The Clone Wars was apparently the biggest war in the Galaxy but only had two entirely expendable armies those being Droids and clones. What's really the cost of the war when you never see people die in the Prequels? Just random unnamed Droids and clones.
I have a feeling that only Palpatine really knew about the button
Same with the clone army and its order 66
The thing is that both the clone army and droid army were basically a big plot by palpatine to take over so likely he implemented that without anyone knowing
so..the separatists became the good guys...and the republic the bad guys.....what a major plot twist
Rendered Useless they were all pawns
@@smorgington How does it feel to be a bad guy
Spacedefender54 huh?
@@smorgington Sometimes like being a good guy will be referred as the bad guy. They'll treat you like one, just for their own opinions. Fighting each other just to see what can be agreed.
There wasnt a good or a bad side in the clone wars. The separatists wanted to be free of the decaying republic, the republic in turn didnt want planets leaving the galactic republic fearing that its senate would be seen as "weak" and incompetent. When neither side came to a peaceful resolution. Darth Sidious set his plans in motion. He would feed the fears of both sides, and weaken them enough until he was sure that when we would overthrow the senate, neither side could opose against his imperial doctrine on a massive galaxy wide scale, the mass shut down Of the droids, count dookus death, the cerebral implants in the clones (order 66) all part of his plan that he played out for years with his true nature and intentions hidden under everybodys noses until it was far too late to do anything about it. He played both sides like a violin.
Back again with the high ground.
GENERAL KENOBI
But what about the droid attack on the wookies?
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Gotta wonder what the war would have looked like if small pockets of Seps held on long enough for the Rebellion to Rise and a few Leaders or Planets contributed weapons and or droids for the cause.
Of course I type that and then you say exatly that later... Nvm
The CIS would rebuild itself again and fight the Empire. Maybe the surviving Jedi would fight as well.
Brian Vulcan, then the war would have actually been an even fight-with the same back and forth battles as The Clone Wars. Only the equipment and sides have changed.
The rebellion wouldn’t of existed without the Empire
@@thanosprime9276
Except this time, Palpatine isn't playing both sides
Aww, they should totally make a canon story about a Jedi being saved by former separatists and how they attempt to protect him/her from the Empire.
True, but that was for less than a day. I imagine something a little bigger. Picture a couple of confederate generals with their garrisons on the run at the time that the Empire is still mercilessly hunting down Jedi (they were kinda past that point in Rebels, sure they still kept an eye out for them but they weren't a priority). These generals come across a Jedi, perhaps long time rivals on the battlefield, but they realize that they are suddenly on the same side of the conflict. The separatists keep the jedi knowing that they will lead the Empire to them. The empire launches a full scale assault to crush the seperatists and capture the Jedi and... yeah... Basically that episode of Rebels but with more butthurt, conflicted separatists with actual feelings and a bigger battle between pseudo-stormies and droids. Something I'd like to see.
We are in agreement!
If you would like to see something like that, maybe take a look at my chanal. I created a machinima fan series with basically that setting. :)
Something similar happened in the kanan comics. Though it was on a small scale, basically just an seperatist general helping kanan hide from clones hunting him.
We might see something like that in Jedi: Fallen Order.
In an alternate universe...
"Sir, we have a problem."
"What is it?"
"Sir, someone reactivated one of the planets dedicated to producing arms for the CIS. There's several billion battle droids, and millions of ships, spreading out from a planet on the outer rim. They've annihilated several star destroyer fleets, and have retaken several other key factory worlds."
*Panic attack ensues*
No that doesn’t happen
Unless the separatist fleets rammed the ISDs
@@luigimrlgaming9484
1) Who are you to say, mr. Master Strategist?
2) Even if the ship designs are older, a dozen of the CIS's heavier ships hammering on an ISD will do their damage. And yeah, ramming is an option, as the price to produce one of the droid ships is significantly lower than the price to produce an Imperial Star Destroyer. A droid crewed ship, realistically, can be completely devoid of systems that would be necessary for a biological crew.
3) This wasn't even a super serious comment.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 While the CIS ships aren't very durable like the ISD, they're a lot cheaper and easier to mass produce (not to mention they're armed to the teeth to make up for their weak shielding and armor) so if they had a sizeable fleet they could very well push back the empire
@@retroneer5824 The empire also has a sizable fleet of superior ships
That can rip them apart
@@luigimrlgaming9484 What you're missing is that the CIS mass produce ships of superior firepower than the empire could hope to match. One star destroyer lost will take a few months to replace, one recusant lost would take maybe a few weeks to a single month
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Gizor Delso’s last stand was quite interesting.
Dahkittydoonsta
“By the time we landed on Mustafar it had been apparent that Delso had been a busy little bug. All by his lonesome, he found a previously hidden droid Factory. Fired it up and cranked his own private army of Battle Droids.
This made the men of the 501st a little hot under the helmet. And not because of all that lava”.
@@212th "We were making our way to the droid factory to destroy but before we could hit it we saw 1 Providence class Dreadnaught, 2 Frigates and 1 Lucrehulk battle cruiser I was impressed on what Delso was planning to try to stop us. I immediately got into my tie fighter and aimed for the Dreadnaught however that ship had so much firepower more then I have ever seen but I got through it and destroyed a few auto cannons I then attacked the shield generator which then left the ship open for attack but I saw a fighter I never seen or fought before it looked so weird like a droid then I realized it was a Vulture Droid back from the clone wars I remembered the times of fighting it, I got past it and made my way to the Lucrehulk. As I was making my way there I remembered how Anakin destroyed a Lucrehulk in the battle of Naboo when he told me about it so I did what he did. While I was on my way to the hanger I saw other tie fighters were struggling against the Lucrehulk so I knew I had to destroy it. I flew in it then shot down the main reactor and then the ship exploded I felt proud. By the time I destroyed the star destroyed finished of the last 2 Frigates. Gizor Delso's plan failed he got caught and the factory was destroyed, we won the battle it felt like I was back in the clone wars destroying the CIS army. As I got back into the hanger and exited my tie fighter the commander congratulated me on destroying a Lucrehulk I felt so proud from that and he promoted me to a pro pilot rank and I can thank Anakin for that" -501st Pilot that fought in the battle of Mustafar, of The Empire vs The Separatist Alliance.
If he'd broken out. The Confederacy would be a fair threat with Battle Droids compared to Rebel Scum.
@@Turbulation1 Nah the pilot would've been almost immediately shot down by the munificent class star frigate's point defense systems. The munificent was deadly to ARC fighters and those had actual shields, a tie wouldn't stand a chance.
@@retroneer5824 so this is what 3 years came to…
Long live the CIS
ROGER ROGER
Roger Roger.
Hello There.
GENERAL KENOBI!!
ROGER ROGER
Juat tell us when to open fire, general. Oh and also, sorry for your battalion turning on you. We had a chip in our heads. But some of us didn't execute order 66 and we are ready to still fight for you general!
Military holdouts are such an interesting concept, just when you think the enemy is defeated, they come back to do what they feel is necessary.
The Confederacy will rise again!
They might appear in future media.
I hope they do
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England long name
The Techno Union is at your disposal.
There is a faction in the new Canon named The New Separatist Union
The Separatist still has their leader which is General Kalani. Hope we can see him in the future Star Wars..... perhaps in the Han solo movie as cameo appearance.
Poison wrong
+Poison so what was the droid in rebels with his name?
Poison He appeared in rebels so no he is not dead.
Poison Oh dearie, dearie me.
First, Anakin killed Admiral Trench, not General Kalani.
Second, most people probably don't know that as it's in the unfinished episodes.
Third, Kalani is very much alive. (functioning?)
Fourth, don't call other people idiots when YOU are so very clearly thick, ignorant and uninformed about the subjects on which you speak yourself, sweetie.
Poison Kalani is not dead yet...LOL Anakin stabbed him...are you sure your not confusing Kalani with Admiral Trench right.
Ah the nostalgia of Gizor Delso's section of SWBF2's campaign
I like Legends better than the New Canon, but I think both the Legends and New Canon version of the Seperatist Holdouts are both equally good and cool.
Same
Wished the storm troopers faced much more of the droids, and potential clone troopers on kamino like in the BfII game (2005)
In the Rebels show
Yesss what I have been waiting for THANK YOU
You forgot the Zann Consortium managed to obtain droideka at Hypori in Legends.
Oh god, those things were stupidly powerful
I wish there was a lot more with the Zann Consortium. It’s such an cool faction.
@@crowsenpai5625 We need Tyber Zann in canon.
I for one love Battle Droid, I see CIS Army real Hero in my eyes. I do love Clone Trooper but they was use for Dark Mean.
stfu and learn english dude porfa
Battle droids are dumb and they have such a gay ass voice but they are so funny.
+CT3029 Lou That one reason I love them lol
+Tactical Bacon Yes, both Republic and CIS just toy for Darth Sidious plan. That very good evil plan.
+5567 5555 Yea, no one see that one coming mile alway.
The droid army fought bravely and they held their ground it is awesome to hear about the cis holdouts after the clone wars and amazing and great. video.
It's over CIS
The empire has the high ground.
"That is correct, commander!! And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress!!!"
@@martinbradstreet5728 Roger Roger .
I loved the design of those droids, their slow march on naboo was so epic. I love droidekas even more.
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As usual the legends portion is WAAAY more accurate than the "new canon"
Since you took hold, the improvement in your narration is prevalent night and day.
Continue the amazing work
Separtists are my second favorite faction behind the empire, its sad that Disney threw out their old lore.
The continued injustice and lack of attention the separatist movement receives in canon is quite frankly sad. We only get the viewpoint of the separatists in a few episodes of the clone wars and the former separatist worlds are completely ignored except in the book Tarkin and the horrifying fate of Geonosys. We know that these worlds and aliens are repressed in general but there is no coverage on it. It is actually quite similar to real world systematic ethnic oppression going on in China (Xinjiang, Tibet) and other places most people only vaguely know about. I would like it to be addressed by the new Canon also more inclusivity for aliens would be appreciated. Thank you for making this video it is a definite step in the right direction.
I find Gizor Delso’s last stand in legends was a lot more interesting then most canon in Star Wars.
That image of the droidaka surrounded by storm troopers is so epic...
I kind of feel sorry for the droids they were made to fight and (most) were just abandoned. 😢
Oh, just search "The lone Battledroid" and you will feel waaaaay worse, mah dude...
I hardly watch lore videos, but there’s something about yours that I love
I want a movie where some rebels find an old droid factory and reactivate it and improve their AI. Would be so cool to see rebels and droids fighting side by side.
both armies had an order 66.
I wish Gizor Delso reunited with General Kalani and joined the Rebel Alliance
I've learned more about star wars from this channel in a few days than in my entire life
I want to know more about these droid societies.
I love me some Confederacy of Independent Systems. I hope the new movies stop being afraid of using prequel world building.
For the Separatist Alliance!
You totally rocked the casbah on that one! I always wondered what happened to the separatists after the clone wars.👍. Thanks I’ll keep in touch.😀
Personally I would love to know more about these mini droid society’s that were formed post clone wars
It would have been nice to see some droid squads from the former separatist droid army painted with the colors and the logos of the rebel alliance.
B1 battle droids deserve a redemption arc !
I remember there were some mods for the old Battlefront games that had Rebel painted droids.
For the separatist alliance!
* Confederacy of Independent Systems.
Roger roger!
The Droid at 2:49 is beautiful
Indeed. He has a gloriously sculpted chassis, and truly awesome paint scheme, as well as one of the finest minds in the Galaxy.
I wish I was issued a Super Tactical Droid like you but due to supply reasons I had to stick with TX-50 my standard T-Series Tactical Droid.
Halopro895 Those ididotic TX-50s am I right? They are inferior to us Super Tactical Droids you see how it has Super in it that means we are better.
General Kalani
Well he isn't exactly idiotic, his computational abilities are just not as modern or sophisticated as yours. That being said, he is still smarter than most Imperial officers.
Halopro895 Yes but my tactics have been known to be more.....effective
2:47 makes me wanna cry ..... rhey were just doing what they were told to, just holding out waiting for further orders 😭😭😭 reminds me of the mars rover
This needs to be added in Battlefront 2, battles between the newly formed Empire and the Separatist Holdouts, and this time the Jedi is on the Separatist side and the Empire has Sith, pretty neat idea imo.
The level in the good star wars battlefront 2 where you have to stop the separatist from starting up again was my favorite level in battlefront 2
@Darth 3PO I did the same when the clones attack the jedi temple and you have to kill the jedi
Who are you more sorry for the clones or the droids ?
Droids. Because of how their whole purpose and portrayal was fucked over by Filoni in TCW.
Clones. They've been through alot, and were treated as 2nd class citizens
both, just pawns for palps to use
Droids. They will die constantly and just be brought back to life to die again, they have no free will but still can feel emotions and they are killed by their general for talking too much
Zorastorm 32
Legends Clones were treated as war heroes and were highly decorated... in paradise worlds. Native Populations hated them because of an aggressive occupation policy from the Republic and Imperial governments, but citizens cannot do anything about them much less lynch them in fear of being executed.
Seeing Rex, Kanan, and Ezra Fight the Battledroids with the clone wars music in the background brought a tear to my eye. Good times
0:33 bro handsome squidward?
😂😂😂
LMAO
The first order will surender to cis
Crystal Thompson how wrong you are.
Patrick Paul How wrong you are.
Patrick Paul You'll never rebuild what the Empire once was!
GAEM Lore Yet you think the separatists could somehow make a change? Like it or not the FO would wipe the floor with them.
The First Order loses its greatest ships to a handful of rebel ships. In my opinion the First Order is just some copycats trying to be the empire.
Disney-filoni wars; Well it’s what I think happened without reading books and comics.
Legends-expanded universe: we are the bones of Star Wars. Filoni is not creative enough to save his company
Gizor Delso- the only Geonosian worth fighting in BF2...1. BF2-1? I'unno.
Either way- the 501st Journal was one of the best FPS campaigns I've ever had the privilege of playing. To me, it was the Dawn of War 1 of FPS- something glorious, resplendent to behold. It was frustrating, always having to skirt the line of running out of reinforcements, terrifying when you realised "Wow, I might actually fail the mission if I die here!", and it was thrilling when you pulled through, and a new wave of AI-buddies dropped in to cover you while you did your job.
The space battles might've been iffy, and could've been done better. Hero Battles could've had more done to them, and some of the missions were nightmarish to play at times- Line in the Sand, I'm glaring at you -but by god, that game was *worth* putting up with its flaws. To see it de-canonised, and relegated to the foggy mire of Legends, brings a metaphorical tear to my eyes, even if we got TCW in exchange.
The BF series were my introduction to Star Wars as a franchise. I'd seen the films, but I'd never really embraced them as a greater thing until I'd played BF1 and 2 with my brother on the PS2. I'd never felt such frustration and joy at a game until I'd played Rogue Squadron 2 on the Gamecube- god bless you, you beautiful bastard -and I'd never felt that level of achievement, of satisfaction at completing a game until I'd finished them both.
Battle droids:
*Receive shut down signal
Separatists leaders:
“What the heck?”
*Turns droids back on
“Anyways, where were we?“
one of the worst things about the prequel trilogies is how the after three movies the septets fall lamely in one short scean once they are no longer naratavly usefull, it feels so cheap. Just a small hint at the stuff in this vidio would help a bit.
Your videos always prove how much better legends is
Who would've thought the good would become evil and the evil became good
Separatists weren't strictly evil tho... which is even sadder
Yeah separatists weren't exactly evil just manipulated like a bitch
Evil and good is just words...
#CISDidNothingWrong
OnionBoy * The thing is that the separatists were the good guys. They had a functioning council and were little worlds/outer rim worlds which had to pay high taxes to the republic but weren’t represented by the republic council which consisted of rich core planet people only thinking about themselves.
you are amazing! i asked for this video when you mentioned it in a another video about these holdouts, thank you!
I love the CIS separatist, and was always curious what became of them after the clone wars, so much so that in a current GURPS game my character is a reactivated magnaguard on the hunt for the reminants of the separatist forces and refusing to give up the war despite it being 10 years after said war ended.
I really appreciate your videos, I look forward to each new episode
#Suggestion: The Brutal life of battle droids :'(
ImperialZorn Gamer
#DroidLivesMatter
When you rogered your last roger, but you resist and roger HARDER.
3:08 what music is playing!?!? I can’t find it!
all i can think of is how in EaW, munificent's work great with literally any rebel fleet. 10/10
I kind of wish that there were spin-off series that covered "What If" scenarios. Like what if Palpatine was discovered to be a Sith way before Episode 3, or what if Anakin didn't trust Palpatine enough to kill Windu, or what if the clones Disobeyed Order 66 En Masse, etc.
That was one interesting story! It sounds very familiar because it could happen in real life when as a war is ending there can be remnants and holdouts of a certain foe! I do wonder about the Imperial Holdouts still out there in the galaxy in Canon in the time period before the Sequel Trilogy. I’m sure in time, we could do a comparison of both Imperial Holdouts and Seperatist holdouts in those different Star Wars eras.
Thanks, Mr. Lore Master.
Thanks for the comment, robin!
I love tue EU version so much more than actual canon. EU is better in the stories and realism.
@Hunter Said someone who have never read any canon material.
I like the fact that some battle droids formed societies where they were stationed.
"Screw this war, let's just live here now."
"Roger, Roger."
Once again the Legends has a better more in depth and bigger storyline then whatever Disney can crap out.
Also I can safely say that I bombed out that level on SWBF2, was fun to shock the bugs out of the sky.
5:13 idky I remember reading that particular thread as a child and seeing this has activated ancient archives of starwars memories damn
Canon means nothing to me. I live in the EU.
Here here!
That is hurtful.
i don't see what living in the European Union Has To Do With Cannon
@@censored4680 he means the expanded universe
Imperialism woosh
It’s so sad the separatists were pawns the rebel’s were so stupid for not trying to build new droid armies . They could have done a bit better against the empire
What droid foundries remained were either impossible to reactivate, or under the command of criminal sindicates.
collin ohlinger well if the entire rebel alliance fought for it I think they could have done it .
But droids didn't work with the Rebels strategy. They were so slow and meant to be deployed in mass, but the empire could already do that and be better at it since their soldiers could think and adapt. Rebellion forces were focused on highly mobile, hit and run operations.
Really great video, but I think that Toonbuck Toora should had some space in video too. She was last living main separatist leader after Mustafar masacre. Toora reactivated droids and led the last bigger CIS resistance after clone wars.
#SaveTheCloneWars
Mate, I want it back as much as everyone else, but I highly doubt that it’ll happen no matter how much we ask.
It’s coming back it was announced at sdcc look it up
Tristan McAllistre lmao
Clone Wars is saved.
They saved it.
6:16 Oh the memories I have replaying that mission for a gold rating.
When you said Sepratist Starfighters, did you mean vulture droids, or the big ships like the Melavolance?
Vulture droids
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@@TheLoreMasterYT We still live.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL MAN LOVING IT TILL THE END
Thanks, I appreciate the support dude :)
The Lore Master man I never stop watching your videos and you never stop making the best videos
This woulda been a dooope campaign for bf2 js😭😭💯✊
I like how you included battlefront 2 and rouge squadron 3
So what happened to all the deactivated droids just sitting around?
I would imagine many fell into the hands of pirates and anti-Imperial terrorists, but most were scrapped by the Empire.
Scrap metal
Scrapped
Maximus 9000 melted down and used for the empires big guns
Jason Tang idk
Glad Delso got mentioned - classic Battlefront is always good
No one mentions the new separatist union. What happened to them? Will we see them in episode ix?
The what?
I remember playing the mission where you had to kill battle droids and destroy the factory on mustafar in battlefront2 and it was one of my favorites.
I'd love to have a feature length movie focusing on the Empire's campaign against Separatist Holdouts. Would it really be that bad if Disney makes some awesome Legends material Canon?
People need to write their ideas to Disney and hopefully they will listen to their fan base instead of dishing out rubbish no one wants to see.
Great video thats so cool I never knew there were Seperatist holdouts...
Like always the legends lore is way more epic then the cannon lore
But a lot more inconsistent.
Not always. Both versions have there ups and downs.
In Han Solo the Imperial army was still fighting the mimbanese on Mimban. That conflict had been going on since early in the clones wars.
One word sums the CIS's fate up:
*F*
It's funny... I listen to these star wars lore videos about the clone wars and most of it I've heard from battlefront 2 for PS2, even some parts are word for word as well.
(Like the one video talking about the clones perspective of geonocis, the way the lore master described it, it was almost word for word of the clone talking throughout the story. And there was also a mission on mustafar where you kill the bug dude.)
Don't know if the Lore master is just reading off the script of battlefront 2 or if that old PS2 game was really that accurate to the lore, ha ha.
They should include this in the present Battlefront 2. It would be interesting to see imperials fight separatists, Grievous against Vader or something in later DLCs.
DLC the last battle
Awesome videos loremaster!!!
Do more old republic videos