Cave diving reminds me a lot of that old aviation saying, "you'd rather be on the ground wishing you where flying than in the air wishing you were on the ground", because you'd sure as hell rather be on the surface wishing you were diving than in a cave wishing you were on the surface.
There seems a lot of similarities with those that do both activities to a great age. My father in law was one of the few top dressing pilots to retire. Ex RAF he trained other air force pilots in the 70s. He was always meticulous with his pre flight "checks".
I was twice held under water once at just 4 feet and again at 15ft both times I could see the surface but couldn't get to it and believed I would die I got extremely lucky both times but that feeling and situation still comes up in my nightmares 20 years later I can remember it vivid like it was yesterday
@@JamesRockefeller45 I totally feel you. I have had the same experience myself. And because of that experience, running out of air is my worst nightmare. I'd rather catch on fire then drown. (That's just my opinion) SUCH a hopeless and scary feeling not being able to inhale. x(
@@Dawg93 I was at the pool with friends in the summer and a girl who was always giving everyone shit and dressed like a guy showed up and she had her clothes on. I got out of the pool and pushed her in. I fell in with her and she kind of kneeled on my shoulders while pulling up on my armpits. I couldn't go up and couldn't go down and her head was just above the water. She was nuts and was actually trying to drown me for real. Someone got her off me when they realized she wasn't playing. When I was a probably 5 a bunch of us little kids were playing in a inflatable yard pool and a drunk uncle jumped in and started wrestling around. I got pinned under him and a inflatable inner tube and with all the splashing and kids he didn't realize I was under him. These were the two times I was just held under looking at the surface unable to reach it. But I actually have at least 3 more stories of almost drowning I grew up right on the beach in Maine
Cave zone starts at about ~120-130 ft, line starts around there. Max depth is ~160 with sticking your hand down in muck. I’ve spent many hours there, a great place…but is hazardous if you ignore your limits and training. On of my buddies was one of the guys who recovered the body. I’ve been diving with him at this location so he could practice the recovery documentation process. These guys take this very seriously. I’ve seen the report and you guys did a good job. Thanks!
I am really impressed with those three boys. They seemed to have taken notice of the divers activities and kept an eye on them, despite this truly not beingvtheir job. And then when shit hit the fan, they acted imediatly and tried their best to ha dle the situation. Good on them!!
I live about 20 minutes from there so I've been to Buford spring and the Eagles Nest in the Wildlife Management Area. I don't dive, but I love spending the day out in those woods and have more times than I can count over the years, and one day I drove out to the Eagles Nest dive site to eat lunch on the dock/steps and a guy pulled up in a nice BMW and I was kinda shocked because it was wet and muddy that day, but he backed in and started taking his tanks and things out of his trunk, and I walked over and asked if he had friends coming to dive with him, and he said no he doesn't know anyone around there and he was passing through and wanted to dive and see the caves, so he had never even been there before and was going down by himself, and I told him that I don't usually get into other peoples business, but divers have died in them even tho' they had dove their many times before, and it's very foolish to dive alone to start with, but even crazier to dive those caves alone. So I told him I would hang around until he came back up, and after an hour if he wasn't back up I would drive to where I get cell service and call 911 to retrieve his body. So then he decided that he was just going to go down and get a few photos of the entrance of the cave, so I waited for him and he spent about 15 minutes down there, and then he came up and got out.
29:30 To the people who don't watch the channel, Woody seems rude and uncompassionate by being harsh on the people who passed, but don't take it as that, he sounds so critical and angry because of how frustrated he is, such needless and avoidable deaths, it's beyond frustrating
Exactly, he recognizes stupidity and isn't afraid to call it as it is, regardless- just because people are dead, calling on their stupidity as to what caused their deaths may help others avoid it.
I don't see anything wrong with being harsh on people who died because of their own negligence. We are all self critical so I doubt that the people who're dead would care. It's just some over emotional relatives and youtube commenters. If I had a relative die because they were stupid, I wouldn't mind anybody analysing their mistakes. Don't annoy the mourning of course, but other than that who cares.
As someone whos never cave dived and will never do it. When i first found the channel i did get that vibe, but like u said its only because theyre needless and avoidable deaths.
Yes woody is harsh sometimes. But I love him. The only thing I don’t love is sometimes he can cut off Gus and “correct” Gus when it’s unnecessary. Gus talks past him sometimes.
I saw a man drown at 17, and sat watching his family scream, wondering why nobody was giving him cpr. Sticks with me. I never assume someone else will step in and help anymore. If it’s not me, it may be nobody. I’ve saved 2 old ladies’ lives just by being attentive and proactive when no one else was.
I'm glad that they shared the report with you and it really sheds a lot of light on everything that went wrong. Frankly public redacted reports on dive incidents like this could really be valuable to the community. It really highlights the importance of proper planning, these two men didn't have to die they could still be alive today if they didn't make that second dive.
@S. Clarke it's hard to find detailed reports on stuff like this. Usually it's a state or govt report, those are usually very basic and vague on details. A friend of mine unfortunately died while hard hat diving to retrieve golf balls at the pointe vedra resort in Florida. The report by OSHA was not very detailed and left a lot of questions I had unanswered.
They didn’t go into recovering data from their dive computers. There’s many models and manufacturers so each one would have its own instructions or maybe a special cable or interface. There’s enough information without this to conclude what went wrong. Edit there’s information about the computer in the last pages of the report. They may have left it out because it wasn’t needed. Having a leak, low air and broken light is enough
full agree, even if they don't share it with the public directly, at least sharing it with the certificate providers (padi,CMAS,SSI,....) will provide valuable information and can be used to refine diving regulations and can be used in diving classes as examples of why you'd need to do X or pack a spare Y/Z. like, as an example: it's one thing to hear an instructor say "you should pack a spare torch, 'just in case'." but it's another thing to hear an instructor say "we've had an actual report of a diver dying cause his torch went out, he didn't have a spare, and couldn't find his way out of a cave." that second one is going to make you think a bit longer on the reason why they want that second torch. because even though a torch doesn't really sound like an important thing, you're more thinking of regulator,trimvest,... yet at the end of the day, in certain situations that torch is just as important. (not saying that lack of a torch was the issue in this case, just using it as a relevant example ^^)
@@piano_man3404 I Feel like the reports for these types of incidents, and many others, should be released to the public after the case has been fully settled legally. It could help educate and inform people on exactly what happened and what went wrong along with helping people understand how to avoid becoming a victim of a similar incident.
I’m always impressed by the objectivity and general balance this channel pulls off. It doesn’t make things into hysteria, it doesn’t try and make a mountain out of a molehill or provide anything other than measured facts and actual informed commentary/opinions. This video is already good and I’m only part of the way into it. Thank you!
The sad thing is that channels that engage in all of the above out number those that don't and have way bigger audiences. It's like we are truly living in a Idiocracy.
@@NebakinezaOGAssumptions based on science, evidence and years of training are referred to as "Hypotheses" or "inferences". There's a pretty big distinction there.
Kudos to both Gus & Woody for pointing out the fatal flaws in these two divers planning. As a non-diver, who used to rock climb, I can say with authority that all high risk sports/activities require similar types of pre-planning in order to successfully engage in the sport/activity with the least amount of risk.
Far too many media outlets report on stuff far too quickly with misinformation or incorrect information. You guys do it the correct way, you have the full report/s or information and your videos are brilliant and informative.
I am not a diver. I do not care to ever dive. But I can understand the enthusiasm and love for a sport. I want to say that this is a fascinating (to me) podcast. Your diligence in providing facts to teach others the proper way to enjoy their sport, in what is most often very humbling and sorrowful incidents, goes way beyond just a reaction video. There are literal and analogical life lessons that you present as they relate to proper training and preparation for diving (this is relatable to anything in life). Thank you, guys! I really appreciate the channel and your ability to translate such a (to me) dangerous sport and present it in a way that is quite fascinating. Because of you, cave diving may not be as dangerous as I once thought. But, your sport demands all your attention. It must be respected. That respect is extended to you, as you teach us all the dangers and wonders of cave diving. Kudos to you. Waiting for the next video.
@@BobMuskFan That's the kind of things said by people who don't believe D&D is a game because even the Dungeon Master wants the party to survive and "win"... NOT everything is "zero-sum", dude... get over it. ;o)
Darrel, the thing is that typical warm water diving to 60ft in the ocean at a reef is quite safe with adequate training. It's hard to get into too much trouble. But when you get below 100ft things change. Then there are real risks that one must be alert to, including the risk that one will absorb enough nitrogen that one will not properly assess risks. What is so frustrating about videos like this is the crazy lack of awareness of the divers. They should already have known that this dive was beyond their ability. Even if it were not, they should have gone with a real pro guide.
Most diving is quite safe, and not super-complex. You need proper training to not make "rookie mistakes" but it's something most people should be able to do safely (with training). What these two divers did was BEYOND reckless and insane. They did the equivalent of driving into a desert, knowing the gas-tank was only 20% full. It doesn't matter if literally EVERYTHING goes right and zero problems, they were doomed to run out of gas. This is as much of an "accident" as someone jumping off 10-floor building without a parachute, thinking they can fly or will survive uninjured.
As an Ex Royal Navy salvage diver planning is king!!! There is no stone that can be left unturned or you will pay the price. Diving has zero forgiveness for ego and complacency! Phenomenal breakdown as always and much love gentlemen.
I don’t dive nor do I really want to but I could sit and listen to you guys talk and explain this stuff all day! I’m learning so much! It’s very humbling to think just like that it could be my time. I feel so bad for their families!
Man as soon as you said AL53 I knew what the issue was. Sometimes it’s the older super experienced divers who think they know better. Very sad. And Woody doing the dive plan on the fly like that was perfect.
Thank you guys for covering this. It blows my mind that they'd go back down when they suspected had a leaky tank let alone a tiny tank. Seems like they just decided that they should follow safety 3rd and it cost them their lives.
That's the thing... 53cf isn't even enough for any kind of a normal single dive to 140ft... not to mention resurfacing and going again, whether anything is leaking or not.
@@brois841 for sure, it's absolutely mind boggling to me the lack of respect for the danger they both had. I get that cave diving is fun, I've been doing it for a decade, but the moment safety isn't the first priority, you are literally putting your life on the line arguably for any type of dive, but especially a technical dive.
I have dove 130ft on an 80cu, in open-water, and it was a short dive. It was basically go down, look around for 10 minutes, then surface. When I ready about the incident, I knew about the tanks being partially-used and possible leak, but assumed standard 80cu. Even then, I was saying a partially used 80cu obviously wasn't enough for a 130ft dive, and only questioned whether they intentionally went that deep. Now that I learn they had partially-used 53cu and intentionally went for 130ft?!!?!?! Even if they had 2200 psi left, or even 3000 psi, it wouldn't have been enough. This wasn't a "safety 3rd" dive, it was suicidal. It was "lets plan to jump off a 100ft building without a parachute." They were effectively guaranteed to die.
@@fkrioters1000 they were totally idiotic. I like to try to think the best of situations and chalk it up to ignorance or poor planning, but you're absolutely right, it's insane to try to take that dive on even a full 50. I'm absolutely struggling to fully comprehend the sheer stupidity of their actions.
ive been on a binge of your guys channel so hard lately. im not even a diver I dont even know why I find it so interesting. again I'm not a diver but I am apart of the aviation community and I find it very important that the reasons for deaths and mishaps are shared to the community to make it a safer activity to engage in and I think its exactly the same with the Diving community. good for you guys doing this.
I'm really glad that you guys waited until you had the facts to react to this video. Personally, I like to read reports like these in order to learn from them. We do the same thing in the fire service by reading and learning from line of duty death reports so that we can attempt to avoid future similar occurrences. Diving and firefighting are similar in that you should always keep practicing, training and learning from previous experiences no matter your level of certification or experience.
I appreciate the fact you two have the integrity not to "ambulance chase" these tragic cases for views, but instead wait for the authorities to do their job and for some factual information come to light. 👍
Excellent video gentlemen. Having the report from the rescuers is a master stroke. Leaking yoke regulator and 1/4 turn back, which turns into 1.5 to 2 turns by the report were factors in this tragedy. My heart felt condolences to the families. As always, Dive safe.
I have never been diving in my life I don't know why I am so fascinated by your videos. Maybe someday. Gus, one important thing you've shown me is even big guys like myself can dive too. You don't have to be a skinny little twig. Thanks for the content fellas, stay safe.
My dads friend that certified my when I was 11 is a big dude. Prob 300 pounds back in the day and he still cave dives. He told me that he went 400 feet one time and had like 4 or 6 tanks on him lol.
I wasn’t familiar with this incident but that’s an incredibly sad story. Thanks for breaking down the details of this and illustrating how there’s no room for complacency in any form of diving, let alone a dive such as this.
What do you mean sorry about the long explanation?!!! You guys did a great job and in my opinion it wasn’t “ long “ or dragged out or anything ! I think you guys did an amazing and respectful job covering this story.!
I love how you go over diving accidents and do a full work-up where possible. It just goes to show that diving is save when you adhere to rules and follow protocols. Great that you wait for official reports and not fuel any speculations! Thanks for the clear explanation :)
Sad for the family's loss. 🌹 I wish people would realize every single dive, no matter how many times you've dived or how experienced you are, it's life and death serious. Every time 😔 Such a tragedy
I am a non-diver, but I hope divers that sees this video will take it to heart. Training, planning, using your good common sense is so important to successful thrive. My heart goes out to the families of these men. Thanks Gus and Woodyfor doing this episode. This is the second time I have seen it, and it is still bone chilling.
As a prospective diver in the future, I treasure the fact that you take the time to explain the incidents and the rules that could have prevented the problems. I love the points you raise as well as the fact that you give us the straight importance of appropriate training and what that entails.
I can't believe this channel has 200k subs now! I remember when it was below 30k subs. Great job as usual, love your dedication to being educational and waiting for all the details and facts to come out before reacting!
I believe you guys have basically revolutionised how not only non divers like me but also very experienced divers think about diving in caves. Other videos I go to always quote Dive Talk in regards to making sure the safety element of diving is adhered to. Well done guys to achieve that alone is a lifetime well spent. Fascinating to hear the written report from the recovery divers and Woodies dive plan btw.
Gus and Woody, this is one of the very best channels on youtube. You guys do such interesting, sometime sad, and sometimes hilarious videos. Love the hats woody.!!
Thank you guys for covering this I live in Spring Hill and shared this article to your instagram DM back on June 22 but hadn’t heard much about it since then great work love the videos keep up the great work!!
As someone with no interest or experience in actual diving I still find your channel fascinating and I actually really appreciate the detailed breakdowns and explanations you guys do. It's really interesting and the sensitivity and frankness you treat all these incidents with is incredibly compelling.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but imagine how many more serious if not deadly situations Buford would see if it wasn't so far into the back woods. If people could just pull right up to the caves we'd sadly see many more of these tragedies. Thank you guys for all your doing to keep the diving community aware of these situations and mostly safety. 🌹😔
I only partially completed my open water certification due to a medical thing that prevented me from continuing training. So I have an interest and a slight modicum of knowledge. Your videos are amazing - thank you for the breakdowns. I was shocked to hear they were diving to that depth on a 53cf tank and did so twice. The math didn't add up in my very inexperienced head, much less on a planner. Don't get me wrong - I'm not judging. I'm saddened that it ended that way for all parties involved. And your knowledge you've imparted on what would be required vs what they brought makes this even more tragic - a very preventable situation.
Those poor boys. That had to have been a scary situation. I hope they're doing well. I doubt any of them will ever read this, but it sounds like they did just what they needed to do. You did all you could do.
Reason he floated to the surface - he probably had momentum still. From his frantic, last kicks. Grim...but makes sense. RIP Buddy. Edit: And, I can see the reason why both would lose track of their pressure...one likely had an emergency. The other one, attending - forgot himself.
I’m trying to Figure out why watching and listening to you two is so captivating, fun and relaxing-It’s like hanging out with good friends! And I’m not even a diver 😂 y’all are awesome! My fav TH-cam Chanel for sure. 🥰
I have a huge amount of respect for you guys. Please do not apologize for long explanations, by doing so, you’re potentially saving someone’s life. I myself am not even a diver, nor have I ever dove. I’m claustrophobic so I for sure couldn’t cave dive, but I may would try surface diving. But just now I learned a lot about what it takes to plan and be prepared. I hope you guys keep doing what you’re doing. These podcasts are very educational.
These guys are the absolute best as far as safety. I love listening to their discussion. As a former recreational open water & reef cave diver uts great to hear experts talking through (accidents?) Identifying fatal flaws & lack of proper planning. Great videos, sadly there is no shortage of diving bravado
I love when ya'll do videos like this. I think it presents a lessons learned, a tragic lessons learned, for those who ate just beginning their journey into scuba diving and those who have already began their journey. Thanks you for this.
I’ve never gone diving in my life and learning about it from you guys has been extremely enlightening. Thank you for being so knowledgeable, not into fear mongering, and not judging victims who make awful mistakes. I love how careful you are to teach others what the mistakes were, but to be kind and respectful to the victims and their families as well. Amazing, both of you!
Excellent video. I'm not a diver but love learning general information about things and you guys certainly explain things so that someone with 0 knowledge can understand. This is why I watch you guys.
I'm glad you guys have so much experience and training one of the most humble people I seen. Thanks for sharing all the time hope to dive with you guys one day.
Gosh. It’s always so dang sad when a death occurs that could have truly been prevented. My heart and loving thoughts are going out to the families of both men. ❤️❤️
Thank you for adding so much context to this story. Appreciate how concise and informative you guys always are. Even though I'm not interested in diving, I always watch the whole video because of how well you guys inform/teach the general public about these topics (remind me of some of my favorite professors). The objectivity is really necessary to understand how/why this happens (rather than everyone just shouting about dangerous it is/of course they died).
You guys do an outstanding service to the community, it is saddening what happened to the divers but taking the time to learn from this video, and the question of " when and where could this have been prevented? " is extremely important. Thank you, Gus, Woody, and the IUCRR for all that you do
Thank you for going into such detail and being so professional! You guys are doing such a good thing here it’s nice to hear trained professionals opinion and breakdowns!!!! ❤
Please don’t apologize I can only speak for myself but I prefer to watch you guy’s longer video’s l. I don’t dive not like swimming much but find this sport very interesting. You guys have one of the best channels on TH-cam and could save lives with your expertise, experience and knowledge you put out!!!! Kudos!!!
Thank you Woody & Gus for this informative video. I’m impressed with the kids for being so responsible and very helpful in this scary and stressful situation.
I'm not a diver, especially a cave diver! But I came across your channel last night. I binged many of your videos. I want to say I already love it!!! I love that you both always point out all the safety procedures that are being used or NOT!!! I'll never be cave diving but I appreciate your channel here on you tube. I'm glad you're both here reviewing all these videos❤... ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks you for your knowledge!! I don't dive but i am doing another water sport. Its so nice to learn about other things and learn about the passion of other people. Also if i will have a friend who wants to learn how to dive i know how important is to find an instructor or to always follow the rules!
Haven’t yet started diving myself but I’d like to in the future. Really appreciate you guys doing your best to teach the most important safety details of diving. Thank you
The epitome of how to break down a tragic incident and do it respectfully, factually, with the intent to learn from it. Gus & Woody, you guys are truly great at doing this. 👍
I'm not a diver but I love to watch your videos and learn about this sport. One day I hope to be able to get into the water and I know I'll be safer thanks to you guys. If only other people listened to you as well. Great videos guys, as always!
Now that we have the facts and can better understand all of the experience these gentleman had before that fatal dive, it just makes you shake your head in disbelief. I wonder how much complacency around dive planning and safety checks had occurred during previous dives for it to eventually culminate in this unfortunate tragedy. It’s a sobering, but important reminder.
Thanks for sharing your lives an the expertise of diving. Thanks for explaining things this is a tuff one for sure .. those poor families what a senseless deaths... Grateful for the rescue divers. An for 1st responders cuz without them there wud not be families getting their loved ones back .. grateful for everyone who helped retrieve these men.An for Dive Talk helping us to understand an learn the rite way to plan a dive... Thanks guy's for sharing your lives with us grateful for you both!✌🏼💗
I lived in Hernando County for about 20 years & left about 12 years ago. Prior to this video, I had no idea that Buford Springs existed & I never knew anyone who did any type of diving, free diving, open water, scuba diving or cave diving. Having watched your channel for quite some time it seems odd that I never was aware of what seems to be a popular sport in Florida.
It's cool to learn more about cave diving, but after finding this channel I'm also finding a bunch of other channels (through the reaction series) that have content I'm interested in. Thanks for making sure to link and credit the original content creators!
You two really are a great team! You couldn't be more different, but that's what makes it so entertaining. I also really like the way you argue. There is nothing arrogant and it stays with the facts. Greetings from Germany
Awesome!!! Thank you so much for that content and what is even more important to talk about how it could be prevented. I hope you will bring also a movie about dive equipment and what to care of. Like best practices, State of the art and soon.
Ive only subscribed and click like because of your intro - The very fact you dont jump into it without knowing the facts like many other youtube channels do... I as a subscriber see, appreciate and know that you care about what happened and I find this respectful towards the casualty or victims in your videos it goes a long way . Great job keep it up! From France
You guys are always a pleasure to watch. I’m not planning on cave diving ever but I’m very intrigued by this subject. I am amazed by how much work and preparation goes into it and the high risk that’s there. Cave diving gotta be the most dangerous activity out there.
As soon as I saw this incident on another channel a few months ago I knew that I wanted to hear what Woody and Gus had to say when more info was available I kinda forgot about it over time but I’m so glad to finally see this video pop up on my feed! Great work as always guys
I appreciate that you both awaited for the investigation to overgo first, I've seen a few youtube videos of some people who went on a blind leap & started talking about their theories on the topic before they got to understand what really happened.
Thank you so much for bringing this information to light, I learn so much from this channel with this information their deaths will not be a total loss , we can learn and apply lessons from this tragedy. My condolences to the families and loved ones.
Thank you guys for the long informative reaction. Great stuff as always. It's so sad these guys died, especially since they were experienced divers. It makes no sense, but your commentary really emphasizes how important safety is.
I do not understand why people get upset about the pauses and long explanations. I personally watch these videos to learn and it actually upsets me that they feel the need to rush. If you aren't watching these to learn from the reactions, why watch them?
I watch all your shows and will NEVER even THINK of scuba diving. Never ever. No way. No how. These were seasoned divers who dove there often. How could that happen? How could they make all those mistakes? The volunteers are wonderful to rescue these people.
The last video about Linnea alleges, that the dry suit she purchased was in fact a surface dry suit (one intended for surface work in water rather than diving), so the suit wasn't even equipped to accept inflator hose, which in my mind makes the whole case even worse. The instructors need to be sued for murder.
I'm aware there's an ongoing lawsuit regarding this incident, but the prosecutors chose not to pursue the avenue of manslaughter. This is understandable, as for a lay person (and especially for a jury of peers), all of this can easily be interpreted as a (yet another) diving mishap. But anyone who has any experience with scuba diving must see, how it's much more than that. And the more details I learn about this, the more egregious the whole case becomes.
@S. Clarke Seeing how the divecenter that's teaching under PADI operates over here, I'd love to see the entire institution shut down. It's borderline dangerous.
@S. Clarke Czech republic. It's a money making operation, strictly quantity over quality. My friend is an instructor there and even he admitted, that there were some trainees he would not have signed off during the time he was working as a divemaster there. After my last trip to do some sea diving, I think the 4 open water dives are just not enough to be fully qualified as a standalone diver. Sure, you learn how not to kill yourself while diving, but it's nowhere near enough to just let you dive on your own.
Hi Woody Hi Gus It's a scary thought thinking you have enough air to dive again to explore further down . Whilst diving you could be taken back by the outstanding beauty so much so ' I guess you could easily loose track of time ? However these where experienced divers wasn't they ? God bless their Heart's & Soul's for all eternity's never-ending & may they rest in Peace 🙏🏽 🙏🏻 . The other divers who was trying to get the diver out did the best they could ' God bless them for trying so hard ' my heart goes out to them . I truly hope they receive counselling for this tradegy . Sincere condolences go out to the diver's Families & friends. Thanks to those recovery diver's who help to retrieve the missing one's ' they do a phenomenal job . Thanks to all emergency services too . In a remote diving spot like the one in this video ' shouldn't they're be a sos phone or signal tower to be able to reach someone in an emergency especially a satellite phone ? Should remote places like this have camera's at least or regular patrols ? Has you both said how crucial it is to plan correctly for the depth your going at & to allow some additional air for safety reasons that something could startle you ' even the change in temperature in the water ' as your body will be working twice or triple time's faster to try keep your body warm !? Please correct me if I'm wrong . How could this have happened when two very good friends who was neighbours ' frequently diving together get this so wrong . Very sad tradegy ' although critical ' crucial lessons come from these video's you both do here on your Channel. I'm so thankful to you Woody & Gus for explaining all the key ' crucial areas that will save your life providing you've triple checked off the right amount of air & so on . This comes across so clearly Woody & Rus ' that I'm learning so much from your Channel. Sincere gratitude for your brilliant explanations on all your video's content ' it's phenomenal advice we need in order to learn to be throughout in all preparation on all dives ! Infact it's life saving advice too ( no pun intended ) . You Guy's are just awesome & fantastic Angels 😇 infact Woody your a cute alien 👽 Octopus 🐙 ' Angel & Gus your just a handsome 😇 Angel ' looking so mighty fine in your diving gear . Awesome channel Thank you for educating us in the World with such crucial & critical knowledge. All your time & effort you both put into these video's to help us all understand valuable information is always appreciated so much ' ❤️ 😊 💜 Thank you so much for your dedication too . With Love & Light from Niki here in the UK 🇬🇧 ✨️ until the next video 🙌🏽🙌🙌🏿🙌🏻🙌🏼🙌🏾🙏🏻🙏🏽💙💕
Thank you guys for sharing this! I really enjoy all of the different directions the channel goes. As usual you guys are great, can't wait for the next one!
Cave diving reminds me a lot of that old aviation saying, "you'd rather be on the ground wishing you where flying than in the air wishing you were on the ground", because you'd sure as hell rather be on the surface wishing you were diving than in a cave wishing you were on the surface.
There seems a lot of similarities with those that do both activities to a great age. My father in law was one of the few top dressing pilots to retire. Ex RAF he trained other air force pilots in the 70s. He was always meticulous with his pre flight "checks".
I was twice held under water once at just 4 feet and again at 15ft both times I could see the surface but couldn't get to it and believed I would die I got extremely lucky both times but that feeling and situation still comes up in my nightmares 20 years later I can remember it vivid like it was yesterday
@@JamesRockefeller45 if it isn't too traumatic would you mind explaining what happened those times?
@@JamesRockefeller45 I totally feel you. I have had the same experience myself.
And because of that experience, running out of air is my worst nightmare. I'd rather catch on fire then drown. (That's just my opinion)
SUCH a hopeless and scary feeling not being able to inhale. x(
@@Dawg93 I was at the pool with friends in the summer and a girl who was always giving everyone shit and dressed like a guy showed up and she had her clothes on. I got out of the pool and pushed her in. I fell in with her and she kind of kneeled on my shoulders while pulling up on my armpits. I couldn't go up and couldn't go down and her head was just above the water. She was nuts and was actually trying to drown me for real. Someone got her off me when they realized she wasn't playing. When I was a probably 5 a bunch of us little kids were playing in a inflatable yard pool and a drunk uncle jumped in and started wrestling around. I got pinned under him and a inflatable inner tube and with all the splashing and kids he didn't realize I was under him. These were the two times I was just held under looking at the surface unable to reach it. But I actually have at least 3 more stories of almost drowning I grew up right on the beach in Maine
Woody rarely asks a technical question he doesn't know the answer to. He is a true teacher at heart.
Cave zone starts at about ~120-130 ft, line starts around there. Max depth is ~160 with sticking your hand down in muck. I’ve spent many hours there, a great place…but is hazardous if you ignore your limits and training.
On of my buddies was one of the guys who recovered the body. I’ve been diving with him at this location so he could practice the recovery documentation process. These guys take this very seriously. I’ve seen the report and you guys did a good job. Thanks!
I am really impressed with those three boys. They seemed to have taken notice of the divers activities and kept an eye on them, despite this truly not beingvtheir job. And then when shit hit the fan, they acted imediatly and tried their best to ha dle the situation. Good on them!!
I live about 20 minutes from there so I've been to Buford spring and the Eagles Nest in the Wildlife Management Area. I don't dive, but I love spending the day out in those woods and have more times than I can count over the years, and one day I drove out to the Eagles Nest dive site to eat lunch on the dock/steps and a guy pulled up in a nice BMW and I was kinda shocked because it was wet and muddy that day, but he backed in and started taking his tanks and things out of his trunk, and I walked over and asked if he had friends coming to dive with him, and he said no he doesn't know anyone around there and he was passing through and wanted to dive and see the caves, so he had never even been there before and was going down by himself, and I told him that I don't usually get into other peoples business, but divers have died in them even tho' they had dove their many times before, and it's very foolish to dive alone to start with, but even crazier to dive those caves alone. So I told him I would hang around until he came back up, and after an hour if he wasn't back up I would drive to where I get cell service and call 911 to retrieve his body. So then he decided that he was just going to go down and get a few photos of the entrance of the cave, so I waited for him and he spent about 15 minutes down there, and then he came up and got out.
The phrasing you used had to have changed his mind. Well done.
Thank God you were there 🙏🏽
You are a blessing to people and so are woody and gus having this channel informs so many of us.
God bless you man you probably saved his life.
29:30 To the people who don't watch the channel, Woody seems rude and uncompassionate by being harsh on the people who passed, but don't take it as that, he sounds so critical and angry because of how frustrated he is, such needless and avoidable deaths, it's beyond frustrating
Exactly, he recognizes stupidity and isn't afraid to call it as it is, regardless- just because people are dead, calling on their stupidity as to what caused their deaths may help others avoid it.
I don't see anything wrong with being harsh on people who died because of their own negligence. We are all self critical so I doubt that the people who're dead would care. It's just some over emotional relatives and youtube commenters. If I had a relative die because they were stupid, I wouldn't mind anybody analysing their mistakes. Don't annoy the mourning of course, but other than that who cares.
As someone whos never cave dived and will never do it. When i first found the channel i did get that vibe, but like u said its only because theyre needless and avoidable deaths.
He really doesn’t seem rude and uncompassionate at all.
Yes woody is harsh sometimes. But I love him. The only thing I don’t love is sometimes he can cut off Gus and “correct” Gus when it’s unnecessary. Gus talks past him sometimes.
Those young boys were very on top their stuff. They seem to have a good sense of what to do. Pretty impressive for being so young.
Country boys
I feel for those boys who found them. They must've felt so helpless. I of course feel for the divers and their families too.
Finding a dead body as a 17 year old was a horrible experience I'm sure affected the trajectory of my life for the way worse.
I saw a man drown at 17, and sat watching his family scream, wondering why nobody was giving him cpr. Sticks with me. I never assume someone else will step in and help anymore. If it’s not me, it may be nobody. I’ve saved 2 old ladies’ lives just by being attentive and proactive when no one else was.
I'm glad that they shared the report with you and it really sheds a lot of light on everything that went wrong. Frankly public redacted reports on dive incidents like this could really be valuable to the community. It really highlights the importance of proper planning, these two men didn't have to die they could still be alive today if they didn't make that second dive.
@S. Clarke it's hard to find detailed reports on stuff like this. Usually it's a state or govt report, those are usually very basic and vague on details. A friend of mine unfortunately died while hard hat diving to retrieve golf balls at the pointe vedra resort in Florida. The report by OSHA was not very detailed and left a lot of questions I had unanswered.
They didn’t go into recovering data from their dive computers. There’s many models and manufacturers so each one would have its own instructions or maybe a special cable or interface. There’s enough information without this to conclude what went wrong. Edit there’s information about the computer in the last pages of the report. They may have left it out because it wasn’t needed. Having a leak, low air and broken light is enough
full agree, even if they don't share it with the public directly, at least sharing it with the certificate providers (padi,CMAS,SSI,....) will provide valuable information and can be used to refine diving regulations and can be used in diving classes as examples of why you'd need to do X or pack a spare Y/Z.
like, as an example: it's one thing to hear an instructor say "you should pack a spare torch, 'just in case'." but it's another thing to hear an instructor say "we've had an actual report of a diver dying cause his torch went out, he didn't have a spare, and couldn't find his way out of a cave." that second one is going to make you think a bit longer on the reason why they want that second torch.
because even though a torch doesn't really sound like an important thing, you're more thinking of regulator,trimvest,... yet at the end of the day, in certain situations that torch is just as important. (not saying that lack of a torch was the issue in this case, just using it as a relevant example ^^)
@S. M. Unfortunately same “lack of information” problem in my sport, hang-gliding; probably due to lawsuits.
@@piano_man3404 I Feel like the reports for these types of incidents, and many others, should be released to the public after the case has been fully settled legally. It could help educate and inform people on exactly what happened and what went wrong along with helping people understand how to avoid becoming a victim of a similar incident.
I’m always impressed by the objectivity and general balance this channel pulls off. It doesn’t make things into hysteria, it doesn’t try and make a mountain out of a molehill or provide anything other than measured facts and actual informed commentary/opinions.
This video is already good and I’m only part of the way into it. Thank you!
I agree it’s very refreshing!
Do stupid things get stupid rewards!
The sad thing is that channels that engage in all of the above out number those that don't and have way bigger audiences. It's like we are truly living in a Idiocracy.
You say that but they both continously make assumptions throughout the process of watching the content 😅
@@NebakinezaOGAssumptions based on science, evidence and years of training are referred to as "Hypotheses" or "inferences". There's a pretty big distinction there.
Don't apologize for the long video! You guys do an amazing job breaking down the information. Love watching y'all!
_Yeah...how DARE you give us more of what we want!_ 😅
True I love the information
Right this was an awesome video with great information and detailed facts loved it
Kudos to both Gus & Woody for pointing out the fatal flaws in these two divers planning.
As a non-diver, who used to rock climb, I can say with authority that all high risk sports/activities require similar types of pre-planning in order to successfully engage in the sport/activity with the least amount of risk.
Far too many media outlets report on stuff far too quickly with misinformation or incorrect information.
You guys do it the correct way, you have the full report/s or information and your videos are brilliant and informative.
I am not a diver. I do not care to ever dive. But I can understand the enthusiasm and love for a sport. I want to say that this is a fascinating (to me) podcast. Your diligence in providing facts to teach others the proper way to enjoy their sport, in what is most often very humbling and sorrowful incidents, goes way beyond just a reaction video. There are literal and analogical life lessons that you present as they relate to proper training and preparation for diving (this is relatable to anything in life). Thank you, guys! I really appreciate the channel and your ability to translate such a (to me) dangerous sport and present it in a way that is quite fascinating. Because of you, cave diving may not be as dangerous as I once thought. But, your sport demands all your attention. It must be respected. That respect is extended to you, as you teach us all the dangers and wonders of cave diving. Kudos to you. Waiting for the next video.
It's not a sport because you don't compete with anyone.
@@BobMuskFan That's the kind of things said by people who don't believe D&D is a game because even the Dungeon Master wants the party to survive and "win"...
NOT everything is "zero-sum", dude... get over it. ;o)
Darrel, the thing is that typical warm water diving to 60ft in the ocean at a reef is quite safe with adequate training. It's hard to get into too much trouble. But when you get below 100ft things change. Then there are real risks that one must be alert to, including the risk that one will absorb enough nitrogen that one will not properly assess risks.
What is so frustrating about videos like this is the crazy lack of awareness of the divers. They should already have known that this dive was beyond their ability. Even if it were not, they should have gone with a real pro guide.
Most diving is quite safe, and not super-complex. You need proper training to not make "rookie mistakes" but it's something most people should be able to do safely (with training).
What these two divers did was BEYOND reckless and insane. They did the equivalent of driving into a desert, knowing the gas-tank was only 20% full. It doesn't matter if literally EVERYTHING goes right and zero problems, they were doomed to run out of gas.
This is as much of an "accident" as someone jumping off 10-floor building without a parachute, thinking they can fly or will survive uninjured.
I do not dive and I barely swim. I snorkel, but love these videos.😂
As an Ex Royal Navy salvage diver planning is king!!! There is no stone that can be left unturned or you will pay the price. Diving has zero forgiveness for ego and complacency! Phenomenal breakdown as always and much love gentlemen.
I don’t dive nor do I really want to but I could sit and listen to you guys talk and explain this stuff all day! I’m learning so much! It’s very humbling to think just like that it could be my time. I feel so bad for their families!
Man as soon as you said AL53 I knew what the issue was. Sometimes it’s the older super experienced divers who think they know better. Very sad. And Woody doing the dive plan on the fly like that was perfect.
Thank you guys for covering this. It blows my mind that they'd go back down when they suspected had a leaky tank let alone a tiny tank. Seems like they just decided that they should follow safety 3rd and it cost them their lives.
That's the thing... 53cf isn't even enough for any kind of a normal single dive to 140ft... not to mention resurfacing and going again, whether anything is leaking or not.
@@brois841 for sure, it's absolutely mind boggling to me the lack of respect for the danger they both had. I get that cave diving is fun, I've been doing it for a decade, but the moment safety isn't the first priority, you are literally putting your life on the line arguably for any type of dive, but especially a technical dive.
I have dove 130ft on an 80cu, in open-water, and it was a short dive. It was basically go down, look around for 10 minutes, then surface.
When I ready about the incident, I knew about the tanks being partially-used and possible leak, but assumed standard 80cu. Even then, I was saying a partially used 80cu obviously wasn't enough for a 130ft dive, and only questioned whether they intentionally went that deep. Now that I learn they had partially-used 53cu and intentionally went for 130ft?!!?!?! Even if they had 2200 psi left, or even 3000 psi, it wouldn't have been enough.
This wasn't a "safety 3rd" dive, it was suicidal. It was "lets plan to jump off a 100ft building without a parachute." They were effectively guaranteed to die.
@@fkrioters1000 they were totally idiotic. I like to try to think the best of situations and chalk it up to ignorance or poor planning, but you're absolutely right, it's insane to try to take that dive on even a full 50. I'm absolutely struggling to fully comprehend the sheer stupidity of their actions.
Bless those 3 kind boys. They tried so hard 😢🙏💙💙💙
That couldn’t have been easy. Respect for them that they stepped up and did what they could.
Thank you for being so respectful to the victims of this tragedy
ive been on a binge of your guys channel so hard lately. im not even a diver I dont even know why I find it so interesting. again I'm not a diver but I am apart of the aviation community and I find it very important that the reasons for deaths and mishaps are shared to the community to make it a safer activity to engage in and I think its exactly the same with the Diving community. good for you guys doing this.
I can honestly say that both Gus and Woody care a lot for us divers. I thank God for finding me Dive Talk!
I'm really glad that you guys waited until you had the facts to react to this video. Personally, I like to read reports like these in order to learn from them. We do the same thing in the fire service by reading and learning from line of duty death reports so that we can attempt to avoid future similar occurrences. Diving and firefighting are similar in that you should always keep practicing, training and learning from previous experiences no matter your level of certification or experience.
I appreciate the fact you two have the integrity not to "ambulance chase" these tragic cases for views, but instead wait for the authorities to do their job and for some factual information come to light. 👍
Excellent video gentlemen. Having the report from the rescuers is a master stroke. Leaking yoke regulator and 1/4 turn back, which turns into 1.5 to 2 turns by the report were factors in this tragedy. My heart felt condolences to the families.
As always,
Dive safe.
I have never been diving in my life I don't know why I am so fascinated by your videos. Maybe someday. Gus, one important thing you've shown me is even big guys like myself can dive too. You don't have to be a skinny little twig.
Thanks for the content fellas, stay safe.
My dads friend that certified my when I was 11 is a big dude. Prob 300 pounds back in the day and he still cave dives. He told me that he went 400 feet one time and had like 4 or 6 tanks on him lol.
I wasn’t familiar with this incident but that’s an incredibly sad story. Thanks for breaking down the details of this and illustrating how there’s no room for complacency in any form of diving, let alone a dive such as this.
What do you mean sorry about the long explanation?!!! You guys did a great job and in my opinion it wasn’t “ long “ or dragged out or anything ! I think you guys did an amazing and respectful job covering this story.!
I love how you go over diving accidents and do a full work-up where possible. It just goes to show that diving is save when you adhere to rules and follow protocols. Great that you wait for official reports and not fuel any speculations! Thanks for the clear explanation :)
I appreciate that you take the time to educate us instead of just sharing the tragic parts. Well done 👏
Sad for the family's loss. 🌹 I wish people would realize every single dive, no matter how many times you've dived or how experienced you are, it's life and death serious. Every time 😔 Such a tragedy
I am a non-diver, but I hope divers that sees this video will take it to heart. Training, planning, using your good common sense is so important to successful thrive. My heart goes out to the families of these men. Thanks Gus and Woodyfor doing this episode. This is the second time I have seen it, and it is still bone chilling.
As a prospective diver in the future, I treasure the fact that you take the time to explain the incidents and the rules that could have prevented the problems. I love the points you raise as well as the fact that you give us the straight importance of appropriate training and what that entails.
The more I watch these videos, the less, less likely I’m willing to go cave diving. If Gus or Woody is not there, I’m not doing it.
I can't believe this channel has 200k subs now! I remember when it was below 30k subs. Great job as usual, love your dedication to being educational and waiting for all the details and facts to come out before reacting!
I believe you guys have basically revolutionised how not only non divers like me but also very experienced divers think about diving in caves.
Other videos I go to always quote Dive Talk in regards to making sure the safety element of diving is adhered to.
Well done guys to achieve that alone is a lifetime well spent.
Fascinating to hear the written report from the recovery divers and Woodies dive plan btw.
Gus and Woody, this is one of the very best channels on youtube. You guys do such interesting, sometime sad, and sometimes hilarious videos. Love the hats woody.!!
Thank you guys for covering this I live in Spring Hill and shared this article to your instagram DM back on June 22 but hadn’t heard much about it since then great work love the videos keep up the great work!!
As someone with no interest or experience in actual diving I still find your channel fascinating and I actually really appreciate the detailed breakdowns and explanations you guys do. It's really interesting and the sensitivity and frankness you treat all these incidents with is incredibly compelling.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but imagine how many more serious if not deadly situations Buford would see if it wasn't so far into the back woods. If people could just pull right up to the caves we'd sadly see many more of these tragedies. Thank you guys for all your doing to keep the diving community aware of these situations and mostly safety. 🌹😔
I only partially completed my open water certification due to a medical thing that prevented me from continuing training. So I have an interest and a slight modicum of knowledge. Your videos are amazing - thank you for the breakdowns. I was shocked to hear they were diving to that depth on a 53cf tank and did so twice. The math didn't add up in my very inexperienced head, much less on a planner. Don't get me wrong - I'm not judging. I'm saddened that it ended that way for all parties involved. And your knowledge you've imparted on what would be required vs what they brought makes this even more tragic - a very preventable situation.
Thank you guys RIP to both Divers , condolences to families, very sad .
Those poor boys. That had to have been a scary situation. I hope they're doing well. I doubt any of them will ever read this, but it sounds like they did just what they needed to do. You did all you could do.
Reason he floated to the surface - he probably had momentum still. From his frantic, last kicks. Grim...but makes sense. RIP Buddy.
Edit: And, I can see the reason why both would lose track of their pressure...one likely had an emergency. The other one, attending - forgot himself.
I’m trying to
Figure out why watching and listening to you two is so captivating, fun and relaxing-It’s like hanging out with good friends! And I’m not even a diver 😂 y’all are awesome! My fav TH-cam Chanel for sure. 🥰
29:56 please don’t be sorry. I don’t dive but want to learn. This is the kind of explanation I love to hear.
I just feel so bad for the kids who called 911.
I have a huge amount of respect for you guys. Please do not apologize for long explanations, by doing so, you’re potentially saving someone’s life. I myself am not even a diver, nor have I ever dove. I’m claustrophobic so I for sure couldn’t cave dive, but I may would try surface diving. But just now I learned a lot about what it takes to plan and be prepared. I hope you guys keep doing what you’re doing. These podcasts are very educational.
These guys are the absolute best as far as safety. I love listening to their discussion. As a former recreational open water & reef cave diver uts great to hear experts talking through (accidents?) Identifying fatal flaws & lack of proper planning.
Great videos, sadly there is no shortage of diving bravado
I love when ya'll do videos like this. I think it presents a lessons learned, a tragic lessons learned, for those who ate just beginning their journey into scuba diving and those who have already began their journey. Thanks you for this.
thank you for approaching incidents like these the way you do.
Thanks!
I love how Woody always has some different cap/etc on in these videos. Keep up the great content guys, love watching your videos!
I agree, no need to apologize. It is a sad lost in the diving community. Thank you for sharing
Don’t apologize for the long explanation! We appreciate it! Thank you for sharing your knowledge in these reaction videos.
I’ve never gone diving in my life and learning about it from you guys has been extremely enlightening. Thank you for being so knowledgeable, not into fear mongering, and not judging victims who make awful mistakes.
I love how careful you are to teach others what the mistakes were, but to be kind and respectful to the victims and their families as well. Amazing, both of you!
Excellent video. I'm not a diver but love learning general information about things and you guys certainly explain things so that someone with 0 knowledge can understand. This is why I watch you guys.
I'm glad you guys have so much experience and training one of the most humble people I seen. Thanks for sharing all the time hope to dive with you guys one day.
Gosh. It’s always so dang sad when a death occurs that could have truly been prevented. My heart and loving thoughts are going out to the families of both men. ❤️❤️
Thank you for adding so much context to this story. Appreciate how concise and informative you guys always are.
Even though I'm not interested in diving, I always watch the whole video because of how well you guys inform/teach the general public about these topics (remind me of some of my favorite professors). The objectivity is really necessary to understand how/why this happens (rather than everyone just shouting about dangerous it is/of course they died).
You guys do an outstanding service to the community, it is saddening what happened to the divers but taking the time to learn from this video, and the question of " when and where could this have been prevented? " is extremely important. Thank you, Gus, Woody, and the IUCRR for all that you do
Excellent video. 👍 Sheds alot of light on the incident. Hats down to IUCCR for assisting the authorities, and the detailed report they wrote.
With the extremely detailed information that you both provide to us, your viewers, Gus!, don't ever apologize for a 'long' video!
Thanks . Love to start the week with new posts..take care. Dive safe.
Thank you for going into such detail and being so professional! You guys are doing such a good thing here it’s nice to hear trained professionals opinion and breakdowns!!!! ❤
Thank you for the report at the end. It was all fascinating, not one bit boring and I heard things I'm glad to know.
Please don’t apologize I can only speak for myself but I prefer to watch you guy’s longer video’s l. I don’t dive not like swimming much but find this sport very interesting. You guys have one of the best channels on TH-cam and could save lives with your expertise, experience and knowledge you put out!!!! Kudos!!!
Thank you Woody & Gus for this informative video. I’m impressed with the kids for being so responsible and very helpful in this scary and stressful situation.
I love hearing you guys discuss these cases. I’m not even a diver, but your expert opinion on safety and planning is applicable to many other fields.
I'm not a diver, especially a cave diver! But I came across your channel last night. I binged many of your videos. I want to say I already love it!!! I love that you both always point out all the safety procedures that are being used or NOT!!! I'll never be cave diving but I appreciate your channel here on you tube. I'm glad you're both here reviewing all these videos❤... ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks you for your knowledge!! I don't dive but i am doing another water sport. Its so nice to learn about other things and learn about the passion of other people. Also if i will have a friend who wants to learn how to dive i know how important is to find an instructor or to always follow the rules!
Just found this channel a few days ago and recently got into diving videos. Your videos are great. Very informative. Thank you.
Haven’t yet started diving myself but I’d like to in the future. Really appreciate you guys doing your best to teach the most important safety details of diving. Thank you
The epitome of how to break down a tragic incident and do it respectfully, factually, with the intent to learn from it. Gus & Woody, you guys are truly great at doing this. 👍
I'm not a diver but I love to watch your videos and learn about this sport. One day I hope to be able to get into the water and I know I'll be safer thanks to you guys. If only other people listened to you as well. Great videos guys, as always!
Thank you for your respect of the divers and not sharing their names or other explicit details. I love your videos, from fort Myers beach fl
Now that we have the facts and can better understand all of the experience these gentleman had before that fatal dive, it just makes you shake your head in disbelief. I wonder how much complacency around dive planning and safety checks had occurred during previous dives for it to eventually culminate in this unfortunate tragedy. It’s a sobering, but important reminder.
Thanks for sharing your lives an the expertise of diving. Thanks for explaining things this is a tuff one for sure .. those poor families what a senseless deaths... Grateful for the rescue divers. An for 1st responders cuz without them there wud not be families getting their loved ones back .. grateful for everyone who helped retrieve these men.An for Dive Talk helping us to understand an learn the rite way to plan a dive...
Thanks guy's for sharing your lives with us grateful for you both!✌🏼💗
Always great to watch your videos. Breaking them down so even people that dont understand diving can understand. Great Work as always.
I lived in Hernando County for about 20 years & left about 12 years ago. Prior to this video, I had no idea that Buford Springs existed & I never knew anyone who did any type of diving, free diving, open water, scuba diving or cave diving. Having watched your channel for quite some time it seems odd that I never was aware of what seems to be a popular sport in Florida.
It's cool to learn more about cave diving, but after finding this channel I'm also finding a bunch of other channels (through the reaction series) that have content I'm interested in. Thanks for making sure to link and credit the original content creators!
You two really are a great team! You couldn't be more different, but that's what makes it so entertaining. I also really like the way you argue. There is nothing arrogant and it stays with the facts. Greetings from Germany
Awesome!!! Thank you so much for that content and what is even more important to talk about how it could be prevented.
I hope you will bring also a movie about dive equipment and what to care of. Like best practices, State of the art and soon.
Ive only subscribed and click like because of your intro - The very fact you dont jump into it without knowing the facts like many other youtube channels do... I as a subscriber see, appreciate and know that you care about what happened and I find this respectful towards the casualty or victims in your videos it goes a long way . Great job keep it up! From France
You guys are always a pleasure to watch. I’m not planning on cave diving ever but I’m very intrigued by this subject. I am amazed by how much work and preparation goes into it and the high risk that’s there. Cave diving gotta be the most dangerous activity out there.
As soon as I saw this incident on another channel a few months ago I knew that I wanted to hear what Woody and Gus had to say when more info was available
I kinda forgot about it over time but I’m so glad to finally see this video pop up on my feed! Great work as always guys
I appreciate that you both awaited for the investigation to overgo first, I've seen a few youtube videos of some people who went on a blind leap & started talking about their theories on the topic before they got to understand what really happened.
Thank you so much for bringing this information to light, I learn so much from this channel with this information their deaths will not be a total loss , we can learn and apply lessons from this tragedy. My condolences to the families and loved ones.
Thank you guys for the long informative reaction. Great stuff as always. It's so sad these guys died, especially since they were experienced divers. It makes no sense, but your commentary really emphasizes how important safety is.
I'm not a diver, I'm from New Zealand, would love to learn, love watching your videos with my sister and best mate, keep it up fellas, much love ❤️
Been here since 30K subs. Congratulations on your successess DiveTalk Gus and Woody!!
I do not understand why people get upset about the pauses and long explanations. I personally watch these videos to learn and it actually upsets me that they feel the need to rush. If you aren't watching these to learn from the reactions, why watch them?
Your Channel has, and will continue to, save many lives by educating divers of all skill levels.
So interesting and well explained. I am not a cave diver but I really enjoy all the content and education that Woody and Gus provide.
Keep it up!😊
Thank you for the video. You guys are always so informative and respectful.
I watch all your shows and will NEVER even THINK of scuba diving. Never ever. No way. No how. These were seasoned divers who dove there often. How could that happen? How could they make all those mistakes? The volunteers are wonderful to rescue these people.
I love hearing things like this from experienced people who know what the heck they’re doing!
The last video about Linnea alleges, that the dry suit she purchased was in fact a surface dry suit (one intended for surface work in water rather than diving), so the suit wasn't even equipped to accept inflator hose, which in my mind makes the whole case even worse. The instructors need to be sued for murder.
I'm aware there's an ongoing lawsuit regarding this incident, but the prosecutors chose not to pursue the avenue of manslaughter. This is understandable, as for a lay person (and especially for a jury of peers), all of this can easily be interpreted as a (yet another) diving mishap. But anyone who has any experience with scuba diving must see, how it's much more than that. And the more details I learn about this, the more egregious the whole case becomes.
@S. Clarke Seeing how the divecenter that's teaching under PADI operates over here, I'd love to see the entire institution shut down. It's borderline dangerous.
@S. Clarke Czech republic. It's a money making operation, strictly quantity over quality. My friend is an instructor there and even he admitted, that there were some trainees he would not have signed off during the time he was working as a divemaster there.
After my last trip to do some sea diving, I think the 4 open water dives are just not enough to be fully qualified as a standalone diver. Sure, you learn how not to kill yourself while diving, but it's nowhere near enough to just let you dive on your own.
Hi Woody Hi Gus It's a scary thought thinking you have enough air to dive again to explore further down . Whilst diving you could be taken back by the outstanding beauty so much so ' I guess you could easily loose track of time ? However these where experienced divers wasn't they ? God bless their Heart's & Soul's for all eternity's never-ending & may they rest in Peace 🙏🏽 🙏🏻 . The other divers who was trying to get the diver out did the best they could ' God bless them for trying so hard ' my heart goes out to them . I truly hope they receive counselling for this tradegy . Sincere condolences go out to the diver's Families & friends. Thanks to those recovery diver's who help to retrieve the missing one's ' they do a phenomenal job . Thanks to all emergency services too . In a remote diving spot like the one in this video ' shouldn't they're be a sos phone or signal tower to be able to reach someone in an emergency especially a satellite phone ? Should remote places like this have camera's at least or regular patrols ?
Has you both said how crucial it is to plan correctly for the depth your going at & to allow some additional air for safety reasons that something could startle you ' even the change in temperature in the water ' as your body will be working twice or triple time's faster to try keep your body warm !? Please correct me if I'm wrong . How could this have happened when two very good friends who was neighbours ' frequently diving together get this so wrong . Very sad tradegy ' although critical ' crucial lessons come from these video's you both do here on your Channel. I'm so thankful to you Woody & Gus for explaining all the key ' crucial areas that will save your life providing you've triple checked off the right amount of air & so on . This comes across so clearly Woody & Rus ' that I'm learning so much from your Channel. Sincere gratitude for your brilliant explanations on all your video's content ' it's phenomenal advice we need in order to learn to be throughout in all preparation on all dives ! Infact it's life saving advice too ( no pun intended ) . You Guy's are just awesome & fantastic Angels 😇 infact Woody your a cute alien 👽 Octopus 🐙 ' Angel & Gus your just a handsome 😇 Angel ' looking so mighty fine in your diving gear .
Awesome channel Thank you for educating us in the World with such crucial & critical knowledge. All your time & effort you both put into these video's to help us all understand valuable information is always appreciated so much ' ❤️ 😊 💜 Thank you so much for your dedication too . With Love & Light from Niki here in the UK 🇬🇧 ✨️ until the next video 🙌🏽🙌🙌🏿🙌🏻🙌🏼🙌🏾🙏🏻🙏🏽💙💕
Thank you guys for sharing this! I really enjoy all of the different directions the channel goes. As usual you guys are great, can't wait for the next one!