Divers React to Little River Springs Cave Diving Disaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ย. 2022
- Horrific story from a cave we are very familiar with.
Original video by @DisasterthonTrueHorror: • The Little River Sprin...
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A consultant I work with was telling me he just got certified as a rescue diver and was on an island off of Honduras and was thinking about going on a cave dive nearby just to try it. He's not cave certified and immediately I heard your voices in my head saying, "this is a bad ideaaaa". Definitely directed him to your channel as soon as he said anything about diving
Thank you for the advice...it was probably life-saving.
Would not any diver in this day and age have the understanding that any diving you are not certified for is dangerous? I thought that was common sense!
@@mikemalooly845 unfortunately oftentimes ego/arrogance plays a huge roll on these reckless decisions.
@@mikemalooly845 you don't know the things you don't know. Not knowing about silt-outs has killed a lot of people who thought they'd just go in a little ways and check it out for a second. Go straight in, turn around, come straight out. What could possibly go wrong?
By the time they found out, it was too late.
@@sarasmr4278 True, yet doing due one's diligence avoids so much suffering and tragedy.
As someone who has experienced a very similar loss as the uncle did, I not only feel sorrow for the family of the nephew, but I also feel a great deal of pain for the uncle. As a survivor, there is an insane amount of survivors guilt and an unbelievably high degree of "What if I...", or "If only I had..." that runs through the mind constantly and its much stronger at night, before bed, and as you're waking up. I feel for the uncle, as I am certain he still experiences these things and has to live each day wondering how he could have made a difference, if any.
that was deep... Thank you for sharing
i had one experience not nearly as horrible as this, still saw it a couple times in my dreams afterwards.
Just to imagine seeing your nephew and letting go of him, dissapearing in darkness for the rest of your life...man i hope i got less after some time.
it reminds me of a talk i had with one of my instructors. That possibly one of the hardest decisions you will ever have to make while diving is that when you are rescueing your buddy and you get to a point where you have to decide to let him go and rescue your self.
Sounds great😏
I know this is old, but this channel covers an incident where this exact situation happened as a part of a video discussing disasters that happened in a cave (forgot the name). It has to be one of the worst situations anyone could be in.
Are you doing okay Woody? You're being so quiet. I hope people complaining about you pausing the video (I never see those comments but you've talked about them) haven't deterred you from doing it. I love hearing from both of you. And you react to videos so of course you're going to pause :)
I LOVE when woody pauses the video. What’s the point of a reaction vid if you don’t actually react lol. Also the person you want to react clearly has to be a cave diving pro because they’ll have an opinion worth listening too 😂 plus, the authority in anyone’s voice when they need intellectual clarification is always attractive on a personal note lol.
i think what makes this channel is the duo.
He had mentioned he was being quiet because he didn't have enough information to really make any judgements. So it could just really be that. 🤷🏼♀️
Relax
@@franciscoo2766 I couldn't be more relaxed without being dead.
Hey guys, i know it's quite a dark video this time but i wanted to let you know that you inspired me to take up diving :) i went on a vacation to Cozumel with the sole purpose of learning to dive and going on some trips and now i am open water certified! It was an amazing experience and it's definitely a huge new hobby for me
That's awesome!
Woohoo! Awesome 👏 glad Dive Talk is inspiring new divers.
Please don't drown
This channel has inspired me to do the same. I’m hitting up Cozumel in March and signed up for OW level 1 through padi at a local dive shop. Can’t wait!
Glad you found a new hobby and it’s been an awesome experience.
Gus and Woody, you guys are awesome!
Nice job dude. My husband can't swim and is so completely uninterested in whale sharks or beaches or the amazing cenotes --- couldn't get him interest in anything but Chichén Itza. I've love to retire in the region. Been there seven times and love it.
i’m not a diver, but i am fascinated by the culture. i have been a fan of anything deep ocean or deep space since childhood. i have serious heart problems since birth, so these stories are the closest i’ll ever get to doing a cave dive. i just wanted to let you know how much i appreciate you sharing it with me. (even tho the story itself is quite sad.😢)
I looked up the details and found they were both NSS-CDS cave certified, having done the course together 3 years earlier. The victim was working as an SDI Open Water Instructor. He had dived this cave complex 20 times out of a total of 75 cave dives. So he appears to have had appropriate training and to have been in current diving practice, although I have no info on their DPV cave training. They were in dry suits, hoods but no gloves in a water temp of 72F. The victim was using a backmount pair of steel Faber 125s with no manifold, sounds damn heavy to me!
I'm not familiar with NSS-CDS course requirements but you would hope that basic line procedures as you describe would be explained and practiced.
Points arising from this sad incident must therefore start with the mental discipline to avoid distraction and not get separated from your buddy, and then the emphasis that line procedures are taught for a reason and need to be remembered and practiced often. I'm not saying these guys got a tick for finishing the course and then just winged it from then on, but deviation from best practice can be slow and insidious.
Poor Woody looks so tired! Get some rest, and take care of yourselves! ❤ Thanks for always making great videos!
One crappy thing about ageing is when people make that remark, when in reality you are just ageing.
Nah he was def sick or tired. Probably sick as they are usually in the same room.
@@sh3940 i’m deathly sick with the flu so is my son and his mom. We have it bad. wouldn’t be surprised it’s that time of year he’s probably just sick.
@@thanosbustedinyourmum hope you all feel better soon
No coffee ?
It is so sad that he was actually getting close to the exit before he ran out of air. Painful.
800 ft is a long way still too go he pretty much only made it a little over half way. If he was like 100 ft from the exit then that would truly be almost to the exit
I love that Gus and woody pointed out that a scooter doesn’t allow you to go further into a cave or more distance, putting complete faith into your scooter could be a death sentence if used incorrectly. Should only be used to traverse parts of the cave where silt won’t complicate things, to conserve energy and air.
Thank you so much for putting more and more metric references in your videos, it really helps! (most of the world outside the US)
Heartbreaking story. I can only imagine the despair of coming so close to making it out, only to realize your fate is sealed. Prayers.
I can't stop watching your reactions! As someone who knows nothing about diving, your guys's reactions makes me want to give this a shot, and try scuba diving
Not a diver just an Aussie girl who loves listening to you guys thank you 😊
Im in Canada, same. I like to climb everest in my jammies too lol ✌
Just a quick reminder that we subscribe to your channel because we LOVE when you interrupt the videos and comment/react on them. It's our favorite part! Always remember that :) Cheers!
Very sad. I am not a cave diver. Am an instructor OW. Have done many enjoyable cavern dives in N Fl. Just once experienced a silt out. I was diving a wreak in the Sea of Cortez, Mexico. Got into a room that silted out, initial panic, but then practiced the Stop Think Act lesson. Just sat there for about 2 minutes, got oriented and as the silt dropped was able to find the was out. Just had a few seconds of that “oh crap” feeling. Thanks for the videos.
get cave certified
@@MrJ0lly A great thing to do, but not when you are in your late seventies! Still diving, very conservatively.
Get forklift certified
I've never been diving what so ever. I just stumble across your channel some months ago. I've watched every video you put out, its just so interesting. And the voices of both of you is soothing to have on in the background while I do other things such as cleaning. Now I give random facts to people when diving comes on topic in games, or scenes on the tv. Keep it up guys, you're awesome! :D
I'm still shocked at the growth your channel has had this year! Proud of yall and keep it up and I hope for more scary diving stories
You are both amazing!! I'm not a diver so you guys give me so much insight and information. Thank you so much!
Thank you for all of your videos. I’ve watched them all plus a bunch of other ones which has made me obsessed with cave diving. I’ve signed up for my first diving class this weekend with the goal of becoming a cave diver. It’s going to be a long road to get to that point but I’m really excited to see the caves with my own eyes! You 2 are the core inspiration
love your videos! learn a lot about not just diving but also about life philosophy toward risk, planning, and self control
very cool mapping overlay, I enjoy you guy's assessments of these situations as well as your cave expeditions.
The well casing does have a lot of writing on it. One of my favorite dives but that cave has almost killed me twice. It's what we call a Florida power cave, deep and high flow.
Get a DPV! :D
I would absolutely LOVE to hear you both do a video on your own personal scariest diving experiences. If you have already done such a video, please do point me to it! You guys fascinate me, and it would be incredible to hear about your own, personal most frightening experiences and how you handled things to make it out alive. Although I wouldn't be too shocked to hear either or both of you say that neither of you have yet experienced a life threatening or terror inducing situation. Although...if you do anything long enough, seems like you're bound to run into unexpected, nightmare scenarios at some point. Thanks for always sharing so generously, you both are true wealth's of knowledge.
Scariest one for me was described in detail on the Roaring River Part 2 video...go check it out!
@@DIVETALK Will do! Thanks so much! XO to you guys!
hi guys i have just subscibed after a friend told me about dive talk , i have to say amazeing videos looking forward to the start of the journey to watch all the vids , so thanks guys all the way from the uk
always love dive talk! thanks woody and gus :)
Some great advice, these vids can save lives. You emphasize the 3 most important factors - safety, safety and safety. Super work guys. 👍👍👍
Depending on the time the flow of a little river is insane. Imagine using that DPVA IN a panic on the way out with flow. That guy was FLYING. Scary
I was talking to a lady just a couple of days ago, and we were talking about some video on TH-cam. She asked if there are any channels I follow, my favorite, etc. She stopped me when I mentioned Dive Talk to ask about it. She is open water certified and loves SCUBA diving. When I told her what y’all do, she said that she wants to cave dive so badly, but that she wouldn’t attempt it before she’s cave certified. I was really happy to hear that! I told her how educational your channel is, and she was excited to check it out! Anyway, y’all have talked about/done videos on so many divers who aren’t cave trained thinking they could handle it, and it turns out to be a disaster. I thought it was refreshing talking to a diver who isn’t cave trained and won’t try it until she is certified!
Thanks for continuing to post. Keep up the work
That map scares me more than actually seeing diver go caving. That's a long way under water. Just thinking of route setters
The maps always scare me the most. When I first learned/read about the Death Valley Germans, I got way more freaked out seeing the diagrams of their estimated paths through the valley than the actual photographs of the belongings they found.
Hindsight is always 20/20 is literally the most epic universal quote ever. Can't be too hard on yourself with instances where said quote applies. All it takes is for you to mess up once, and we're human...its impossible to not mess up eventually.
Buenos Dias Gus and Woody! I watch you guys religiously like a show. Very entertaining!! Keep up the great content.
Giving us the distance in meters......thank you. Great video as always
My daily dose of dive talk & thx for the upload guy's I'm so looking forward to this one
Did my "refresher" with gue because I got curious when you mentioned them 😊 hoping to get back into regularly diving again
Super sad to be the uncle that lost his nephew. I can't even imagine. So sorry to the family.
There are definitely alligators there. They're usually out in the actual river, but most of the time in the morning, before the sun comes out, you can shine a light on the spring area and get eye shine from a few. I seen a small gator in a submerged cave once, in Salt Springs a few hours south, but from my experience they avoid the actual caves themselves.
Love from Denmark❤️ great video as usual 💪🏼💪🏼
I had to participate in a search and recover of a lost diver in a cave, it take two weeks to find the body due the lack of visibility and that the guideline was cuted. We also found the body in the same position as the one described in the video
Great coverage of this incident guys
The issue with most dive plans is that it`s really hard to plan for panic and the increased sack rate. Just imagine how much air you`ll need in panic, with your scooter broken, buddy anywhere, silt out no vis and you are searching for the line. If you plan in 1/3 - it could happen with ease to use way more than 1/3 of your tank in that 5 or 10 mins that you need to overcome all of this.
It's not really hard, during the cave DPV class I had to swim my DPV Out (I.E. We pretended it broke) from 2,000 feet in the cave and recorded my SAC rate. Then I took that SAC rate and multiplied it by 2.5 when doing gas planning. The amount of gas I'm willing to take determines my total penetration for the dive.
@@DIVETALK I agree, but open system usually means ggas supply is your limiting factor. You plan for all eventualities means you don`t dive. And panic let`s your gas consumption explode. I`m pretty sure, even on a 15l tank, they could not do this dive if they make the assumption of scooter breakdown at worst point, swim out + incresead sac rate due to panic. Even if you calculate 5 mins. to realize, analyze the problem and calm down again, it`s propably not enough.
I dive a lot with 11l tanks and even without a cave, a problem + panic in a bad spot makes the dives tight on air.
Love you guys! Keep up the good work!
Guys! I LOVE that you show the Meters when you talk about feet. As a European, i's so good. Please keep doing that.
It's been a while since I have tuned in...did Gus make Woody stop wearing the goofy hats? lol
Happy holidaze, boys!
thanks again guys. this is the closest i can get to the depths so i appreciate it
Wow, I had no idea you guys have to assume the scooter is going to fail when you do air planning. Woody is awesome for bringing up these points.
My goodness you guys, you're killing me with this conversation about stalactites 😂
Tragic.
Thank you for the video.
I binged these guys for like a month straight and then they stopped popping up and now here I am again
Another great video thanks guys.
Thanks guys, love listening.
I can't even imagine what his last few moments must have been like. So horrific I'm sure. 💔
Thanks again guys
Thanks Gus n Woody, love your dive talks
“What does this cave look like?”
Woody: very cavey.
Two beasts! Love your channel!
Little river has been beaten up so much from divers like table rock isn’t a table any more I started diving there in 94 and to see it now makes me sick to see. Im glad CDS took over cow springs or it would be the same it has been beaten some but not like little river and cow has a Beautiful clay layers that are different colors that looked like a painting from God. Have you guys ever been to telford springs?
Not yet!
I haven't watched your videos in about 3 months and it is astounding how different woody looks here. I hope all is well sir.
Different ? The pink sweater? :)
Probably stark lighting. They're usually both in ambient semi darkness normally.
Spring water looks so clear!
For health reasons I couldn't go diving the last couple years, but now there's light at the end of the tunnel and I want to get a refresher course. Unfortunately I had covid two months ago and I'm suffering from long covid. I used to do apnoe training in addition to regular diving training. Last weekend I went swimming for the first time in ages, I can barely do one lap and wantig to practice my skills I discovered that I can't even hold my breath long enough to practice blowing out my mask, removing and replancing my fins or anything. So I guess it'll be a while till I can get that freshener course, not sure if I ever can with the state my body is in right now. Thanks you guys for still getting me great diving stories and offering education, it does make me not miss diving as much as I did before I found your channel.
@S. M. You're too kind, thank you!
Great video. Can you discuss DPV use in different silt conditions? Would love to discuss the topic
Poor Gus he can never just go on dive an enjoy himself because Woody's always getting lost.
Great vid guys !! I’m not a cave diver (yet) but will be working on that in the near future… BUT definitely on CCR .. I respect enormously the divers that go down there in an open circuit, but not thanks (just my opinion).
I Love episodes like this thank you
These stories always get to me, very sad.
Little River Springs Cave is a very "caveman cave", and if one's still enough, holds their breath and listens with every fiber of their being, one may hear the faint, watery echoes of, "Yabba dabba dooooooo...". 😁
New Subscriber here. Love you guys and I am not even a diver. AT ALL. Long live Gus and Woody.
Little River is one of my favorite caves... It fairly unique compared to a lot of other Florida caves / systems... Good info regarding DPV / scooters... I was trained exactly with a scooter failure in mind at the longest penetration point. I'm trying to understand how if these guys were full cave divers with experience that they couldn't get back on the line... IF anyone who is a cave diver wasn't put through lost line zero viz drills, you got bad instruction, or you actually aren't a cave diver...
Hey guys! Love your channel and your commentary. I'm concerned about Woody though. He doesn't seem his comical, weird self lately. I hope he's well and returns to his goofy banter with Gus soon! Wish you all, all the best!
Yes, I understand this video isn't really the place for silliness but Woody just doesn't seem himself.
"Swimming like savages" tickled me 😂 😂 😂
I feel like there’s a noticeable difference between Gus and Woody and how they interact now vs when i started watching 😢 hope they haven’t gotten sick of it
It’s called recording late Sunday night 😂
Pro tip: if Woody is not holding a cup of coffee, you know it’s about to be low energy 🥴
Yeah, i was going to comment they both just look exhausted, then i saw they already commented that they were tired. Lol
Love you guys!!!! Hugs 🤗! Hope all is well
Yeah. That panic must be the worst feeling in the world. RIP.
Woody, I was at work today and saw a jeep drive by the same color of your shirt. I immediately thought of you. Lol
I’m super excited to get my scuba certification next year! I’m going to the Florida Keys in May!
I don't know how you guys do it. My claustrophobia would kill me alone.
As someone who spent to much time watching scary movies I have a irrational fear of the ocean I would love to see n experience it but till then I live out my dive fantasy through you guys
Thank you so much for you nice videos with best regards to you Ali from Saudi Arabia
Love your channel here on TH-cam and have watched many of your videos. Understand you guys opperate out Georgia too. Oftentimes you mention the current best divers in their fields, like Edd Sorenson and Johnathon Bird. There are others too that you should try to collaborate with like Barry Shively out of Pensacola, FL. He's certified more tech divers inside and out of the Oriskany than anyone alive. He's got tons of video too. You guys should ask him if he's willing to share some of it?
That well pipe is so cool.
Woody and gus you guys are amazing !!!
Gus and Woody, this story put a question in my head. When you go on cave dives using DPVs (due to penetration distance), do you account for the DPV failing at the deepest point penetration wise in the cave? I'm guessing you guys do consider this but do you stage bottles or just take more air or what?
I think they might have discussed this in their older videos about getting their certification for cave DPV but I cannot remember the details.
Gus and Woody 🌞 have you ever done a story on the palancar cave in Cozumel and have you ever dived in it? I once swam buy it while doing a 100-foot dive, the sign at the entrance said " expert cave divers only" of course I just kept going away from at as I am not a cave diver. P they say it is a gorgeous cave to dive in, but I have no desire to go into any cave as I am too claustrophobic and I don't like being in the dark! I love your videos 💯 as always!
I Can’t wait to be certified.. once I am certified and I find myself a couple certified cave diving buddies oh boy will the journeys be endless.. 0o I love Florida, there is so much to do here.. from the woods to the ocean to the cave diving to dirt biking etc etc I was and never will be bored.. Bowfishing was another one that I love doing
I love going out to Sawgrass and spending my time with the gators or on the trails through the woods, got something on your mind? Watch nature do what it does.. At least that’s what works for me
Why do they label Suffocation(ran out of oxygen) as Drowning(intake of water/liquid into the lungs)
Most people that run out of oxygen underwater end up inhaling water into the lungs involuntarily
Crazy. Been a minute since I watched @dive talk. How is woody getting sooo younger looking?
Cave Diving!
hy guys, long time no see. Keep it up. Lots of love.
This is a cave system I’m hoping to dive for myself next year. This kind of incident is scary to think about happening but I always love hearing your analysis and learning from it.
i loooove dive talk
Sad ending !😢 I can’t imagine getting lost in a cave on a open circuit
Love you guys and again I love the early uploads. Shouting out from Colorado. How come the map says do not copy?
Because that map was created by an artist who sells the prints, I actually own one, so he doesn’t want someone to copy it and start selling prints out there, which of course we won’t do.
@@DIVETALK I figured it was something like that. Thanks for the reply! Love the channel and be safe out there!
You two guys are the best. 10/10
I’m sorry but the F*** Off on Well Casing is hilarious!
so question for anyone who knows how to read these maps(I cant read the map key), at 2:30 the dotted line and drop down, is this showing that the cave extends through but the page isnt long enough or a significant change in depth drop in depth.
Page not long enough.
Would love to see your guys reaction to the diving scenes in the new Black Panther movie! Especially the special diving suits in the first scene.
Can you tap on the well casing with a dive knife and be heard above at the pump on the surface? That would be cool to try.
No idea...maybe? It's pretty far from the surface, like 100 ft, but it might work.
“Swimming like savages” damn you! Some day I’ll buy a dpv. Just takes me a bit longer to get to the casing and deep water tunnel… thank god for the ccr as deco tile gets a bit rough…
Hi Gus & woody I like watching your channel even though I’m not a scuba diver but I free dive out here in Hawaii for recreational use. But I have a question: EVERY YEAR a hurricane hit’s Florida but since all that water changes the surface area on land with damage does it damage or change those underwater cave systems you guy’s through? Just out of curiosity
Not really...these caves have been here for a very long time and have seen many many natural disasters
@@DIVETALK cool to know
LOVING Woody’s get-up here, especially that hot pink kiss rebreather shirt!