MY PORSCHE PURCHASE NIGHTMARE - DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!
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In this video I share with you how the purchase of my £87k dream car from a seemingly reliable and trustworthy source nearly became the worst car purchase of my life (and I've bought 1000s of cars!)
This video can be divided into the following sections;
0:00 Teaser
0:09 Intro graphics by @haslerdesigns
0:13 What this video is about
1:12 Why I didn't buy the obvious upgrade car
2:40 I reveal the make and model of car I was buying
3:20 I show you the exact car I was going to buy
04:40 How I found out about its interesting past
08:28 The first viewing of my 'dream car'
10:30 How it all started to go wrong
12:37 The second viewing which confirmed my suspicions
14:27 Why the dealer wouldn't put the car right
15:09 Why I couldn't buy it with a discount and put it right
15:31 That was bad but this is worse!
16:21 The really irony
17:05 Two ways to avoid the mistakes I nearly made
18:26 Why this dealer should be upholding the highest standards
18:59 What's next
19:14 Sign off and graphics by @haslerdesigns
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I think you were being too fussy but I understand why. You buy cars with the ultimate intention of driving the car as your own for a period while having one eye on selling the car as stock. Porsche advertised the car at a keen price and offered to fund remedial work to satisfy you. You on the other hand have chosen to publicly blacklist the car and make it difficult for Porsche to sell it. They will not forget. Good luck with your search.
Being fussy about an £87k used car I don’t think is worth unreasonable. But this isn’t being fussy - being fussy is worrying about the scratches on both sill cover just beneath where you can see without looking, or the hard use it’s had that you can never delete from TH-cam. Who’s made this car hard to sell? Me or Porsche for painting it 2 different colours and lending it out for hard use as a promotional vehicle for the brand?
They are Porsche, they are over it, also I don’t think this is being fussy, spending the best part of 90k on a car, I would expect the paint to match!
Dont worry, Katie Price will buy it
That’s not fussy whatsoever and putting facts on the table is not black listing a car - unless it had an absolutely shocking paint job! Once he found out they offered a discount, ie tried to rip him off before! What world are you living in.
When it comes to spending your hard earned there is no too fussy !
Morning Andrew. I've had a friend look at the PPN report and you are right, it shows a new clutch being done at 3800 miles, 2 new windscreens, 2 new front lips, 2 rear diffusers, seat bolster repair, alloy wheel repair to name a few. It was used at Goodwood, by TopGear and numerous reviewers plus it was used by Emma Raducanu for a spell. No notes on a full front respray but, as you say, the tell tales are obvious enough to be 99% certain. I think maybe a bullet well dodged. I would have also insisted an over rev report especially on a manual car. Lots of nice GT4s out there and I would most definitely stick with the Porsche approved network. It's a shame that the Reading demos get a hard life but I suppose that's what they're there for.
Great point on the over rev report.
Morning Dan, thanks for the valuable intel. With regards to over revs and front end respray, the pre-sale prep report from Reading stated no over revs which I was surprised about as in this Top Gear video it's bouncing off the rev limiter th-cam.com/video/7Si8DaRQ7io/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Kg5kAUY5C97rV_wz&t=637. I know this isn't a damaging over rev considering money shift potential with a manual, but it's all you can do with a PDK and it still gets recorded. The prep report also stated front end paintwork but as you say you don't need a report to confirm that. I'm still looking but I'm less convinced now by the extra £6k-£10k Porsche Centres charge, after all the warranty can be purchased separately and a good low miler won't need any refurb.
@@volkswizardYeah, I never buy my Porsches from Porsche. I always get an independent inspection - including rev range report - however. As long as you get an independent inspection from a reliable inspector, you can get them from anywhere and feel safe.
Quite a shocking repair list for something which has done such ultra low miles. I'd agree and stay well away from it. Yes it's a lot of money and someone who can afford that can afford the repairs however better to be advised beforehand and not lose money on something you know that could lose you money
I guarantee it would be showing double digit launches
They'll just wait for the next mug to come along instead of rectifying anything...
You mean the first mug?
Exactly...the first mug. Not the next.
Porsche are well known for assuming their customers are mugs.
Yep thats what dealers do
I used to be a car sprayer and light metallic colours are the hardest to match !
That Porsche is so far out it’s unbelievable !
So many variables in matching colours !
There can be more than one shade !
The paint can be produced by different company companies !
Spraying pressure can affect the Color
Clear lacquer can also have yellow tint to it !
Henry Ford was right you can have any Color you want as long as it is black !
There is a way round the colour issue… obviously the doors will need doing and the way I do it is too paint half the door and use blending/fade out thinner over the lacquer edge and then polish the edge back…. A bit of meticulous prep and it works all the time.
In a previous live I worked in a prestige bodyshop that did Porsche cars for local dealer and every second hand car that was to be sold retail had front ends repainted no matter the value of the car.
and as a detailer id spot that instantly - be another car id walk away from, just feel sorry for the people that dont know what to look for that end up with paint that is from from perfect
From a practical point of view and ease of colour matching (excluding B&W) what would be a good choice?
Every time I deal with West London I am reminded why I have stayed with Swindon for 15 years…. Not all OPCs are the same and in recent years the pressure to sell seems to have changed their sales practices. Avoid all the London OPCs and avoid anyone who uses pressure sales to sell a Porsche. I agreed to buy a GT3 from Chester last year who then sold it from under me and didn’t tell me…. Don’t be put off using an OPC, but demand good service. If you don’t get it, walk away.
Why would anyone deal with a used car seller that lies and cheats. This probably applies to every brand. You need to understand that Porsche is no better than Dacia in terms of what they do to shift metal. There is too much snobbery at Porsche - do ask the salesman if being employed by the Volkswagen Group was his dream at school.
Very interesting, particularly because my Cayman S 987.1 was originally a demonstrator car at Porsche West London!
The sales manager at Reading is a total rogue. I wouldn’t trust him making a coffee ! Avoid. ❤
I bought a 1 owner 24k mile 987 Cayman 3.4S but before purchase went over the car with a fine toothcomb. The paintwork was absolutely flawless in every way. This was a £19k 13 year old car.
To spend £87k on a car youred expect it to be perfect or as near as. Every used car will have signs of use and maybe some paintwork done but in this case whoever painted this car needs an eyetest.
Frozen Berry is a very rare colour and made in small batches. The colour would have had to be specially matched by a spectrometer which any good paint factor could have done.
This car needs the whole front end repainting or even possibly the whole car. Unbeliveable that a OPC thought it an acceptable job. Ive been selling cars for 22 years and wouldnt have a Astra for £5k on the forecout with a paint mismatch like this let alone a car 20times the price!
Seeing the car on a track and thrashed to within an inch of its life, needing a new clutch at 8k miles would also be a no no for me.
This car has rightly now been marked as a nail and likely will be extremely hard to sell. Id put its value at no more than £50K as its an auction car in reality.
You really dodged a bullet with this car.👍😮
Porsche GB needs to up their game
Andrew I am 3/4 way through and just hit pause to comment. You dodged a huge bullet. This car has been brutalised by quite a few you tubers and testers. You deserve better than this you really do. Even at a discount this car is serious money. Although I can see you are gutted, feel fortunate your gut was stronger than your heart. Also the colour is marmite, but that is neither here nor there, as this is your dream car not ours ;-). Right going to click on play again now, see how this plays out. Again great content. :-)
It is a material fact(ex press car), they must disclose as it would influence a buyer - It is true this is NEVER disclosed in the advert notes - The last one I saw was A911FWD 992 4 GTS, that sold pretty quickly at West London. Remember, their sales are pushed on numbers sold per month.
Hmmm 50 thousand subscribers and many more viewers a significant proportion of who will be prospective Porsche customers now know Porsche GB are as trustworthy a seller as some bloke selling cars from his drive. Maybe even less depending on the bloke in question!
A specialist inspection on such cars is always worth paying for
Many BMWs are registered with the number plates starting with Y. This is because of the BMW Import Centre based just outside of Doncaster. Doesn’t always mean that it’s been trashed on track or has been part of the press fleet but may have been an ex-demo or have been a company car.
Several years ago I bought a bmw 2 series coupe that has the Y number plate and found out that was a bmw car but didn’t put me off and bought it. Year later when I got it serviced the dealer asked if I’d been driving it really hard which I hadn’t! All then made sense so I quickly sold it after that
They also seem to be a hire cars - see a few with the Y reg and Thrifty sticker on the back (often driven badly!)
Pretty much every Y BMW and MINI will be ex-BMW fleet, both my and my neighbour’s MINIs are. As I mentioned in another comment, there are usually clues on the build sheet of those to anything out of the ordinary - I forget the numbers off the top of my head,however there is one for “management” cars, which are normally those either used by HO or in the case of new models used to demonstrate them to the dealers prior to the launch, or press cars, which have their own code (S900 or something in that region) to identify them.
I registered cars from Mercedes are as likely to be ex Lease as they are the Press Fleet or exHire Cars as all cars registered to MBFS have a “K”
The way to tell is check the PDi certificate inside the service book as it will have the first keeper details even if the car was registered to MBFS
Cars from BMW with the Y could indeed be Press Fleet or Hire Cars but they could also be ex BMW UK Management cars
@@bigjml “Management” is just a euphemism for fleet 😉
very interesting,i retail bottom bucket cars but the bonnet bolts still get painted to match if its been off for paint
Had a terrible experience with West London as well! Will never go back. Mayfair and Reading have been great though.
Interesting. If I had a desire for an unusual colour I'd probably buy the car in a popular colour and have it wrapped. That way the wrap can be removed at sale time, the paintwork will have been protected and the ROI hopefully maintained.
💯 with this 👍
Interesting review Andrew. Have always thought that odd colours would be difficult to match and blend in. I would guess all matt or non gloss finishes would be next to impossible. Am surprised they're not auctioning this one.....
I think you've missed something important here. The car is retailing over 10k less than equivalent cars. The car needs a respray which would cost around 8k at a Porsche approved centre. If you don't mind it's been a press car then I'd buy the car, get the respray and fix the niggles under warranty. You're not going to find a car over 10k below retail without caveats. Its 10k under for a reason.
Great work calling this out. You need to be meticulous when dropping this sort of money and it is disappointing that all this wasn't made clear up front, I absolutely get it. To then re-list the car and not attend to or describe the issues, this dealership absolutely NEEDS to be called out and I genuinely hope they don't forget this and improve their processes. Sadly this sort of thing is all too common.
Literally cannot tell the difference. It all looks like the same colour to me. Maybe I'm slightly colour blind or something? Everyone loves the colour of my own car but me! Had it wrapped but it didn't come out the way I wanted.
Should've gone to specsavers😂
Probably was the cylinder deactivation kicking in - it produces a sudden drone accompanied sometimes with a vibration through the chassis... All rectified by turning it off by turning by pressing the stop/start button before or during your drive just the once.
Second major scam i found out from TH-cam from a UK 🇬🇧 car dealer, first was a special BMW m3 drove and ruined by topgear and sold as it was, that car was so damaging to BMW that it made them lose millions in a lawsuit 😢
The sad part is this, i personally don't want ever to buy a new or second hand car from a dealer ever 😢 i got similar experiences with new cars and found out horror stories from others in my home country 😢
Before pandemic a guy from Germany 🇩🇪 bought a new 911 that head a lot of issues and Porsche refused to service it under the warranty, the whole car was manufacturing defect ,that happen more often that we think about including expensive cars ( 200.000€ new BMW 7 series years ago where the owner burned 🔥 the car in front of BMW museum in Germany 🇩🇪 because they refused to service it, a new Lamborghini Huracan in China 🇨🇳) but this guy with his Porsche911 made a TH-cam channel because of this and got famous over night exposing Porsche, after 6 months and milions off views Porsche bought the car back 😢
No way on this earth would i buy an ex demo/press car, it would have been hammered and abused, no amount of health checks will alter the internal wear and tear.
As before Andrew, bitter sweet…sorry to learn about these issues but pleased you’re staying (or at least trying to) with Porsche. The dealership, who clearly didn’t know they were attempting to bowl a pork chop past a wolf have fallen well short of customer expectations, I trust a review will take place. In the meantime good luck with the ongoing search and I hope this hasn’t put you off such a fantastic car.
You've been badly let down. Thanks for sharing your story....brave...well done👍
Brilliant episode. You have great knowledge and eye to see all these negatives and you did the right thing especially for that sort of money. In reality sadly it’s hard to trust everyone and it’s good practice to check and double check. Trust needs to be earned in my opinion. Good luck with the search Vdub
Looking forward to the next episode
I have seen this colour on many many Porsche, they all look exactly like as shown here... Tycan etc etc... its the way the paint interacts with the light... at certain angles it appears blended but on others it appears slightly different depending upon the curvature of the two surfaces your looking at.... go do a google search and you will see I am right!... Storm in a tea cup!
What bollocks are you on about? We know its been resprayed and that it doesnt match. 😂
Go look at pictures on the internet they all do this shift between the front and the side... @@TheDonshaz
I'd never knowingly buy a press demonstrator, same as I'd never knowingly buy a tuned turbo engined car. Regarding the paint, I can imagine it would be a bloody nightmare trying to match that colour. I remember going to look at a Pearlescent white Audi S2 back in the day, and the touch-ups to the paint stood out like a sore thumb. It wasn't just white with mica in it, it had a few tones going on. So god knows how hard it is to match the colour of the porker [not that I like it I'm afraid, the colour that is]
..and if you wanted to trade it in to an OPC in the future, they would instantly reject it with that colour match
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience, shame it didn't work out but it's certainly eye opening! In the light of day there's a clear difference! Crazy that they didn't use PPF on the front end so once it comes back from press it could be removed/replaced
Great learning story! Sometimes the official dealers are the ones to watch for! They knew about the history and chose to not be transparent. Been following your GTS journey.
This was a really interesting video Andrew, and sadly a common occurrence thanks to people moving to buy online! You just don’t spot these errors in the pictures or wrong lighting!
Andrew, I went to purchase 2 911’s from my local OPC. One very base 911 and also a Targa 4S. I was ok if I had to order new or if there was anything second hand suitable. Bearing in mind how much money I was prepared to part with I was a little surprised when I heard absolutely nothing after the test drives. In fact they just closed my enquiry file with no action.
I was then contacted 3 or 4 months later asking me if a new salesperson can help as the other person had left and yes they’d done absolutely zero with my ask.
You can work out the numbers £ they ignored. Suffice to say I gave them a piece of my mind.
Yes I am already a 911 owner but still it’s a shocking experience
The search should have been terminated immediately at the point it was apparent the car had been tracked, and tracked A LOT.
Hi Andrew, if you would like a flawless GT4, I have a March 2023, 690 miles, yellow, manual GT4 £88k. (by the way that’s OCD levels of flawless :) )
Thanks for the offer. I’ve seen that car, seen them all :) Seriously considered it as local to me but it’s missing something like dual climate..? Have bought a 2021 with just about the right spec and 1 Porsche Club owner 1200 miles
thank you for the great content! I have a press car, one of the first boxster press cars so just a bit of fun but one thing, it's nice to have the magazine pictures of it now. It may have had a hard life but it gives something as well. I would assume they knew that the car was mismatched and that's why they took the offer and why they displayed the car in poor light. Disappointing.
I have been told that Porsche repaint the front end of a lot of approved used cars to eradicate stone chips so I expect that is what happened with this one but clearly not to their usual standards.
Porsche standards are not particularly high.
One of my friends had the bonnet on her dark blue Boxster repainted whilst in Porsche for service - it was a disaster. The bonnet was a completely different colour to the rest of the car. My friend bought the excuses that metallic colours cannot be properly matched - I've owned enough metallic cars over the decades (including currently two metallic Porsches) to know this is absolutely not the case. I wouldn't trust a Porsche OPC with a wheelbarrow.
This one was defo minor crash damage.
Would be ideal at £70k a nice wrap and just a track car for someone
Someone will buy it as a gift for their wife and they wont notice the paint or care about the history. It wasn't the right car for you but it will be for someone who 'likes the colour'. Used cars are used cars. They aren't going to repaint it or resolve any issues. They just want it sold. Useful to know that even porsche don't care about their own strict quality criteria for approved used cars. A used and abused car is a used car at any price.
I went from a 2018 cayman gts 4 cyl to a 718 sypder 6 cyl.
Both were in crayon paint
6:26 ❤ personally and hint of rose gold colour which was all the rage that year.
Wonder who's painted that few dodge painter's out there always do
A full hpi check tells stuff car vertical doesn't
Good general advice.
The standard of paint work that Porsche had done on that car was shocking.
I work in the automotive repair industry and have worked at Mercedes, VAG and Porsche dealerships. I do not think that work was carried out by an approved repairer.
Oh and nice Dovi t shirt.
Definitely not too fussy! And they definitely hid it in the parking garage with knowledge! Even if it was the body shop guys... as a body shop guy we watch for these tricks collecting cars from other places. Often times shaded spots and shadows and tree cover etc. Not to mention rain. I would’ve walked away too!
I personally would have raised it directly with Porsche customer services. As I suspect they won't be aware.
This car has defo had accident damage. No way you can put a porsche warranty on it in this condition. @porsche need to act
sometimes life is so hard ! the crushing blows that fate deals us, and having the wrong coloured Porsche is at the top ! I'm not sure i could not cope, please don't give up on life, things will get better and don't forget time heals, may god be with you
You can always have some frozen berries for your pudding to make up for this! On a serious note, I work next to a Porsche dealer and look at their stock most days. Do you think it would be possible to buy a used cayman, keep it for a year and sell it on without losing too much money?
I don't think I can look at frozen berries ever again! If you buy from Porsche as an approved used car you get 2 years warranty, so after 1 year you can pass the balance on to next owner if you sell privately. But you'll still never get back anything like what you paid because Porsche main dealers charge a good chunk more than everyone else for that peace of mind. Only way to beat the system is buy privately at well below dealer retail and be lucky without a warranty. Or car prices go up which is a rare phenomenon and we are unlikely to see a repeat of what we had in 2021/2022 for a long time. Porsches sub £50k generally hold their price well though
@@volkswizard Thanks for the advice. 2 year warranty would be nice to have.
A clutch after 4000 miles! Remember the rest of the drive train had this abuse, that is an average of 80,000 miles abuse (You would expect a clutch to last that far with a careful driver) in a short time. Whoever had it really gave it some. I wouldn't have considered it at all.
2 things meant I was OK with press use a) it's a GT car so should be tough b) apparently they go through a comprehensive refurb process. What I later discovered (and the fact the paint was crap was lucky because I had a good excuse to walk) was that yes the GT cars are tough but they are designed for track use and racing, not drifting with loads of smoke coming off tyres and not repeated launches to measure 0-62 times. Racing car drivers are smooth as it's faster and easier on the hardware. With regards to refurb, yes they spent a good chunk on it cosmetically but it's the bits you can't see that are excessively worn as you say and while there is a warrantyt you can bet they will fail out of warranty or be deemed wear and tear items. Never again
@@volkswizard Was a great video.
I thought a Porsche main dealer would be a 1st class experience from customer service to quality of vehicle.....no different it seems from ever other dealer really, if the punter doesn't notice it, we won't dislose it ! I would however have dropped my guard as well with such a prestigious brand ! Lesson well learned, trust no-one!! Thanks for sharing your experience, what next ?
Depends on the dealer. Spoke to a clown at porsche sutton coldfield bragging about how many cars he sells.. then he told me he used to work for vauxhall... Total clown knew nothing about porsche either.
I would have walked away at the color difference ! You would think that a dealership selling high end vehicles would not be as unscrupulous as the Porsche dealer you were involved with. I guess we just can’t trust any of them ! Sad….. thanks for sharing your experience. RickGTI….. 🌴
Andrew, very good advice, no matter who you are buying the car from you must do due diligence.
Also, very disappointment with Porsche GB, that’s the paint match and sales approach you would expect from Fly-by-night Cars Ltd (sorry if that’s a real name of a car company!)
This video did not have to be this long. While this sucked I had to fast forward to Stitch together relevant information.
Glorious Putrescent Plum😆
Could be improved by a wrap in Dynamic Vomit Green...
I Have Just Resprayed My Van in Porsche RennBow Black Grey 7A2 or RAL 7021,
Id Recommend this Colour
You worked long enough in used cars to know how it works !! … did you really expect it to be rectified before re advertising 😂😂
Thank you for posting Andrew, wow just shows how careful one needs to be, glad you dodged that one. Just shows how difficult modern paints can be to match.
Rgds A. P.
I take it you can't simply configure ,order and buy GT4 ?
The unique color and it being a former press car should offer any owner a ton of provenance.
Indeed, it would've..... and honestly, and I know this is on my 4K Samsung TV, so potentially it's not relaying through, but I really couldn't see a difference in paint shade or metallic or anything on the Frozen Berry.... I just couldn't see it. 🤷♂️🧐
Personally, depending on the reduction in sales price offered due to this alleged paint miss match I can't notice, I would've brought it.... after they fixed that throw out bearing he clearly heard screaming 😅
A couple of years ago I was after a Macan (new) and the sales person at Porsche seemed disinterested to say the least. My assumption was if I bowled in after a 911 or a more expensive “option” driven car….cutting a long story short, got a SQ5 with excellent service from the Stratford Upon Avon Audi dealership. Perhaps they have a view of “treat them mean keep people keen” at Towcester / Silverstone Porsche.
Interestingly, my worst buying experience or after sales experience was a Porsche OPC when I bought my 718 GT4. A friend has also just had a similar experience at another OPC too. So yes, dont less the dazzle baffle you and assume from a main dealer it will be perfect. Also dont expect you will have the back up you expect after buying, as its not the car, they seem to be of the mindset, they are big fish, your custom does not matter. GLWYS
exactly the same for me. bought a few new BMW's and I've been very satisfied, I'm not an difficult person but my worst new car buying experience was with an OPC for my 718 gt4 which at the time was the most expensive car i had purchased. the collection day and the service was all a bit underwhelming.
I will never give any Porsche OPC my business, be it buying a car or servicing one. They have always left me either underwhelmed, disappointed, or angry.
i agree that the attitude is elitist. i looked at a new 911 4 several years ago but the attitude of the salespeople was take it or leave it. i left it. still have my boxster which has been trouble free and a lot of fun.
You'll find the right car. The time of year and generally softening market are in your favour.
Being an informed & patient buyer will work out.
Patience isn't ever easy though. Best of luck.
Really interesting video Andrew. What an eye opener! Good luck in your search for your next car.
GT4 in that colour its not for everyone...still coming off price wise id say. Theres bucket seated cars with PCCBS for 78k, I would have a GT3 - GT4 just isnt a GT3.....even an older 991.1 GT3. Much better car.
That was a close shave, did you sell your Boxster or just take it off autotrader for now?
I had my fair share with Porsche dealers mate, first and last experience with the brand for me which is a shame… they are highly overrated however none of them live up to the standards we expect from such brand! Hope you find the right one soon mate 👍
Shocking standards…..lm finding this is happening more and more with main car dealerships….approved used car..yer right..bullocks!
Good luck for Your ongoing search! A Porsche 718 Cayman GT 4 with a manual transmission is also one of my personal favourites! I would even prefer it to a GT 4 RS because it is only available with an automatic transmission.
Best regards from Austria!
Another excellent video Andrew 👌🏽. Let’s hope PORSCHE themselves see this!!!!
86 grand and you have to use the "tradesman entrance".
Excellent video!! I am considering purchasing my next car from a approved porsche network but having watched your video I don't think so.
Purchased a couple of years ago a cayman 987 from a specialist called rpm in knaresborough North Yorkshire. Great car excellent service will definitely go down that route again!! By the way sent an email to porsche to see if the paintwork has been rectified, no doubt I'll get no response! Cheers volkswizard
I had a very similar experience with Porsche Edinburgh last week, albeit on a Cayman S. Similar to you the price and spec caught my eye, looking at the spec I did think track car but not Porsche GB owned. I was firstly told by the sales manager that "it had never been near a track", following getting the figures I was happy with I asked for this in writing as like yourself I had to travel some distance to see the car. I was then told the first owner was Porsche GB and it had been a press car, and used at the Silverstone Porsche experience centre. Needless to say I was not happy and I walked away from the car, I actually noticed today it has now been sold. I wonder if they have been honest with the person who did buy it. So I would 100% agree with you, even dealing with a Porsche approved dealer you can't believe what you are being told.
Edinburgh are an awful OPC, from my experience best avoided.
I love the colour…❤ I like individual cars…
Cool! I think it's 1 of 1 when it comes to GT4s in UK, a couple in US. Apparently its a colour for Asia as over there it's racey like yellow/red here
Your GTS looks so much nicer and is well fast enough for UK roads and here in the Alps. I'd get one but I like my 964 for now
Andrew I am sorry to hear about the experience you had and sorry it didn’t work out I actually liked the colour as well it looks fab and can see what you mean with the spec! I think the dealer was trying to hide something to start with and well done you had the know how to see through it hopefully you will find a better one all the best Daniel
Porsche assumes their customers are complete idiots. There's a theory that the more a customer spends, the less likely they are to scrutinize the goods. They got caught out this time, but clearly didn't care given the car was back on the sales list that same day. I hope the next person takes a long hard look and tells them where to stick it. That said I do love the colour.
Where is the content on the ED30? :D
Great video. I remember years ago something similar with the og blue 2014 f80 m3 press car that was on top gear spending ages on the classifieds. After digging around on the forums apparently that car was a 🍋
They’re not selling it as a pristine example. It’s a press car and yes it’s on the internet to see, I’d been interested to see how much they would sell it for at a discount. A usable GT4 to drive and enjoy.
I think by putting this video up you made it rather difficult now as you have quite clearly black balled Porsche over that car.
If it was me and could get a hefty discount on the car and get a good warranty on it then yes a bargain for sure.
the problem is none of this was readily disclosed. a less astute driver would not have noticed any of this and the cheque would have been cashed, without recourse. and as for the paint and other repairs, this influences the resale of the car. disgraceful that porsche would have put this up for sale without proper attention to detail and disclosure.
@@boxsterbenz4059 I agree it might affect resale though if I was an Ed Bolean in the case of a high end car that wouldn’t put me off just an eye for a cheap GT4 to drive the wheels off.
It is a shady practice none the less but if you know you know. Nobody should be buying a car without any checks or due diligence whatsoever.
Plus at that 40-80k range cars of prominent marquis like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc aren’t going to be immaculate especially if it’s retail was over 100k+ new so expect it’s going to need money putting into it.
For example a GT4 retails at around £102k but you are looking at a 77k one it’s right at the lowest price point for a GT4. Look at the market let’s be real if it was £90k and it was mismatched paint and a dodgy gearbox I’d complain, nobody here is looking at this subjectively and with a pinch of salt.
The buyer got hurt it wasn’t a bargain and if it was 77k and a perfect car it would be long sold by weeks end of being on sale.
I’d have shrewdly negotiated a really lowball offer sorted the clutch and lived with the paintwork for a while until I could sort it or wrap it.
The bonnet may have been replaced due to stone chips or ripple dents from cameras suction mounts. The pictures that Porsche have uploaded must have been altered or be even from a different car as no mis-match can be seen. This sort of thing should not be found in a Porsche GB main dealer.
That poor GT4 was part of the Porsche Experience Track Day Fleet as well so it no wonder why the clutch needed to be replaced after 4000 miles. I hope you can find another GT3 soon.
What a shame man, What a beautiful colour that car was in as well!
Blimey, probably not surprised but great that you did the research. I would get your old car back, that was a solid, honest buy!
The process of buying a car is the worst thing I have to go through on a regular basis. I used to do it every 5 years and now every 7 years just to reduce the acquisition stress. At 61 I'm now thinking I'll only have to do it one more time, maybe twice. Bought my first car in 1980 and that experience was OK only because I hadn't a clue.
It like buying a house
It not always what you can see, it's what you see when out of the shiney showroom and you first wash it yourself.
So they did know about the defects ,and just hope no one notices ,With the bonnet sticker they could have got a new one from germany ,And you can tell a lot by the attention or in this case the lack of attention to detail....It is nice to know the big flash brand are just as bad as the budget brands ..Putting it straight back on the web is very Artrhur Daley like lol...Matt Armstrong does a better kob
Gobsmacked they did this! Maybe a blessing as I’m not sure about that colour! Hope you find your dream car.
Being an ex press car absolutely should put you off. You'd be utterly incensed if you witnessed anyone treating your own car as press cars get treated. Moreover, unless Porsche swapped out the engine and gearbox, the checks and maintenance are irrelevant. How are they going to check for premature engine wear due to being ragged from cold by an idiot? They're not. Like I said, unless it's got a fresh engine and gearbox, then it's got an engine and gearbox that has been mistreated by a load of talentless idiots (not all the 'media' are like that, but plenty are). There are loads of other components that will be more knackered than usual and won't have been changed out and will be more likely to give problems in future. Anyone who has seen how press cars are treated would not buy one. And if you're surprised it went straight back up for sale, afraid you are rather naive. Standards at OPCs are not particularly high. Someone will happily buy that car and only realise their mistake when they come to sell it. The dealer knows all of this and couldn't give the slightest shit.
Sadly car sales is car sales whatever brand it is....... The tricks are all the same...
I bought a GT3RS, and found out a week later I had an ex press car (RX04PPK). I was never told this at the time of sale. The clutch went a few weeks later. Porsche GB fixed it for free, but the car never felt right so I part x’ed it for a new M5.
Sorry for my comment on you other vid , I hadn't watched this vid so explains why you bought the GT4. keep up the good work...
You need to speak to Damian from The Car Guys you tube channel. His Porsche dealings and that of other owners will make interesting information for you. As you said. Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. Cheers Andrew. Good hunting.
Your best video without even driving! Thanks for all your honesty. Such a pity that true car enthusiasts have to be treated in this way.....not saying treat anyone else in this way though.....thanks again.....Great Video! Good luck with the GT4 search 👍🏽
Good video. As with most things it is buyer beware. I bought a MK5 Golf GTI from main VW dealer only 18 months old and when I came to sell it 18m later I found it had been stolen/recovered. Nothing on HPI but a guy in a motor trade used Experian Motor and it came up there. Regardless of brand/make the sales sharks will say anything to get that sale.
Interesting story Andrew. I’ve been lucky enough to be a passenger and drive a manual GT4 and they are amazing. I hope you find the right car soon!
moral of the story, don't purchase a metallic paint job.
With regards to over-revs, when I was in discussions on the car (late July) I was told it was either a pass or fail situation-if it had over-revs they wouldn't sell the car.
If you want watch Top Gear M2 GT4 1M video Pinky hits the rev limiter which should create an over rev record, it won’t be a bad one but it will be logged. So I was surprised the pre sale prep report said no over revs at all. If it said ‘any significant over revs’ then fine but it didn’t distinguish.
@@volkswizard Not wishing to doubt your expertise Andrew but from my understanding hitting the rev limiter during acceleration is not an over rev. The limiter has served it's purpose and prevented any kind of over rev happening. Over revs occur during downchanges, usually on track, where too low a gear is selected for the speed of the car (eg when braking for a corner) then when the clutch is lifted it buzzes the engine.
They used to log over revs in different categories. Hitting the limiter would log but getting dealers to be transparent with the lower level over rev logs was very hard work
They would only quote the higher category results which is not the whole picture
@@ronaldJ262 Exactly! Mechanical 'over rev' is a problem.
Goes to show you can never trust any dealer good work as always mate. Can you please do a video on ‘should you buy an up GTI in 2023’ so tempted to get one just put off by my 1 hour 20 drive most days motorway driving and if it couldn’t handle it 🤦♂️😂
@@leefrancis7416 are they worth the money mate or would you go from something else and also what mpg do you get on say a 55 mile run
I use my UP! GTI for a commute which involves about 15 miles of motorway, and it’s fine. Averaging 55mpg. The noise at 80ish is easily fixed by unplugging the ‘soundactor’ that feeds false noise onto the windscreen (!) which takes all of 20 seconds, or it can be turned off via the OBD port if you’ve access to the right gear.
There’s really nothing for the price that’s as much fun, and you can’t order a new one anymore.
Being VAT Qualifying, it’s going to end up in the UAE, Pakistan or Malaysia one would have to think. Sporty Vat Q stuff under 5yrs old seems to go that way from my limited experience.
Porsche must have written it down on their books to not a lot, and it’s earned its money in promotional payback surely?
Trying to wring a retail sale out of it when, like you say it seems to dip below their retail standards seems at odds with the product, quality image they strive for. I’m sure they have their reasons.
I agree that walking away was the right move, even though you were already visualising the ownership and first road trip. Maybe they’ll call you on Monday and offer it to you for £50k??? 🤔.
It happens to us all when you love cars, especially quirky ones. Onwards and upwards…
2:40+ and I'm out.
You want to replace the open top experience for a closed roof?
Buh bye.
Glad your back doing regular uploads👍
Interesting video wow I wouldn't expect this from Porsche . I have a 2019 Audi S3 that I have owned from new unfortunately
somebody as opened there door in a car park and chipped the paint on the sway line the chip is very small but as gone through to the metal I have ordered a Ara blue colour match paint stick from my local Audi dealership but my concern is it not looking perfect and have thought about having the door painted even tho the damage is tiny but after watching your video it as give me second thoughts as it might not match . What do you think ?
If it's still for sale I wonder if they'll be in touch....