Winsor & Newton Watercolor Dot Card [2022] - swatching all 109 colors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2022
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Love it when the swatching is overlaid with commentary about your opinions about each color - that makes it so much more interesting! I usually skip over long dot card swatching videos, but I'm glad I watched yours today (I watched it at 2x the speed). This was great!
i'm glad you like it miranda! :D i think this was my first proper dot card swatch through with voiceover. didn't want it to be too long either. i'm glad you watched it 2x. i watch many art vids on 2x the speed as well haha~ we're all watching paint dry haha~
I really like that you let us see the colors dry and give us a slow perusal so we can really get a feel for which ones we might want to buy, thank you.
glad it was useful, thank you! :D
I'm obsessed with watching other people swatching dot cards. Also I like when people introduce commentary. Recently I bought a Daniel Smith swatch card I'm so excited.
are you? haha ;P what do you think is the appeal? getting to see the whole range or do you focus more on commentary? i also swatched out a DS dot card recently but it's definitely going to take some time to edit. soooo many colours haha ;P
@lilith art who isn’t 😂
@@PaintinHiding seeing all the pretty colors while hearing the opinions of others of which colors they liked or which ones they didn't. Haha yeahh there are a lot of colors I can imagine how much it can take to edit.
@@awatercolourist I know 😂
@@lilithart5614 thank u so much for the feedback Lilith, i appreciate it! 🥰 i shall try to keep than in mind for future dot card swatch vids 👍🏻😊
As to Cadmium-Free yellows, their hues might be similar to the real thing, but they are problematic, to say the least. The fact that they refuse to say what pigments are in these colors makes them suspicious to start with. They claim to be ASTM I, which on face value, is the same as real cadmium, but ASTM I encompasses both Woolscale 7 and 8 and is only referring to masstone. Real Cadmium Yellow is Woolscale 8-8-8.
There are beautiful Yellows in the paintings of Monet that are as fresh and bright as the day he painted them. Monet is known to have used Cadmium Yellow (although at that time its common name was "Aurora Yellow" (Sun Yellow). Van Gogh on the other hand is known to have avoided the new Cadmium Yellow, and is known to have used Chrome Yellow instead. He wrote to his brother about his love for Chrome Yellow.
As a result Vincent's golden yellow sunflowers have visibly darkened in color in the last century as the Chrome Yellow slowly goes brown. There will come a time when those beautiful Sunflower paintings will become quite brown. It is very sad, but there is nothing that anyone can do to arrest this degradation. If only Vincent had taken a liking to the new Aurora Yellow that was first introduced by Winsor & Newton, but quickly adopted by other manufacturers as reports of its excellent properties came in from early adopters like Monet.
These newer Cadmium-Free colors are definitely not as lightfast as the real cadmiums. I estimate them to be somewhere around Woolscale 7-6/7-6. It means that while these colors look similar out of the tube, the real cadmiums will not fade, while the cadmium free alternatives will, especially in pale washes and mixtures. We usually do not use colors in masstone.
I cannot imagine any circumstance in which I would buy the fake alternatives, nor would I ever recommend them to my students unless they have an allergy to cadmium, and in my 66 years, I have never seen anyone with a cadmium allergy, and anyway, that is only applicable if getting the paint on the skin or eating it, neither of which I would recommend for any paints. Even a color that most people would consider perfectly safe like Raw or Burnt Umber contains Manganese which has even greater potential for allergies than cadmium.
Ultramarine is full of sulfides. Terre Vert contains Manganese. Cobalt colors contain cobalt. It is an unfortunate reality that very lightfast pigments contain all sorts of ingredients that should be handled with care and treated with respect. Cadmium is not alone in this regard.
Amongst artist colors, only Titanium White and the older Cochineal-based Carmine are considered safe enough that they are used as food colorings. All other colors should be treated as potentially toxic, at least to a small degree and to be not eaten or put on the bare skin. Nor should you breath in any spray made from the color. When treating artist colors with these kinds of cautions the real cadmium colors are safe to use and there is no reason to use the fake alternatives.
Besides, if someone wants to use alternatives there are excellent other yellow colors that do not contain cadmium, but are much more lightfast than these mysterious colors marketed to be alternatives. As you say, there is no reason to use them.
Great comment! Very helpful to my paint selection.
Thank you for your efforts; it has helped me confirm some of what I was expecting and take on board other valid points to narrow down a very large wish-list in a practical and more cost effective way. Very much looking forward to trying my new paints and seeing how they mix.
i'm glad you found the video useful karen. thank you for taking the time to comment :)
Got curious about the Transparent Orange so I checked a couple of sites. Kim Crick says DPP is Diketo Pyrollo Pyrrole and it was previously labeled as PO107, but the pigment code hasn't actually been assigned. I don't know how she finds out this stuff but I'm glad she does because otherwise I'd have no idea where to start. lol
Hello! Several people have actually mentioned that Transparent Orange was PO1017. I believe W&N, when they first introduced Transparent Orange, put the pigment on the tubes as PO107. It was part of a limited editions release. Later, W&N released Transparent Orange as a permanent paint but they removed the PO107 from the label and simply mentioned that it is a DPP pigment. Jane Blundell also mentioned that Transparent Orange was PO107 but that that pigment information was removed from labels during the second release of the paint.
I saw this on another website, too (Lee Angold) who says that W&N is the only one using PO107 in tubes (but I am not sure how old the post is so others might use it by now). That person comments that it is a brighter pigment than the usual PO71, also a transparent pyrrole orange, and I have to say that the swatch in this video does look like it has less brownishness in the masstone than even my QoR PO71. This W&N looks like a really nice Transparent (Pyrrole) Orange! Jaime Anderson also has a video on YT showing a few Transparent Oranges, including the W&N. The W&N looks to lean a tiny bit more red and less brown than other brands.
awesome info Aeli! thanks so much for sharing, i'll need to go check out kim crick. ever since youtube stopped showing all search results, i find it's been difficult to find relevant info :( i'm grateful for kim crick's vids and site too, she's so knowledgeable :D
Thanks! I don’t always like swatching videos, but you move along at a good pace. I do like WN a lot and have a rather small set of about 18. I may buy some more, but then there are other brands like Schmincke, (I just ordered some more Schmincke from Jackson’s that I haven’t received yet,) Holbein, Daniel Smith and others that I like as much or even more. I recently bought a set of Pinks & Violets from Van Gogh and love it! Then that leads me to want to explore Rembrandt. And I just got an artist grade 12 color set of Paul Rubens and a “Pacific Northwest” set of 5 from M.Graham bc I’ve heard so many raves about them (big con is that they don’t travel well…so I won’t be traveling with them.). Then there’s gouache…I won’t even go there with this comment. 🤭 P.S. I’m a cobalt blue/teal and Quin Magenta/Violet girl myself.
Thanks for making all this research about the colours and their pigments and sharing it with us.
you're very welcome elvaledia :D i'm just happy people could watch and use it as reference. whether visually or auditory :D
I stumbled on this accidently, but would like to follow you as this was hugely helpful in giving all these numbers. Thank you for that.
thank you so much, that's very kind of you :) i'm glad you found the video useful.
Oh dear.. gonna grab me some coffee & snacks and enjoy this properly))
hehe~ ;P
Great video, thanks for making it! I hear on other channels people slating W&N saying they’re hard to rewet, thanks for showing everyone that in general they’re not (apart from the ones hard to rewet across most brands).
thank you vicky ;D i'm glad u found it helpful
WN themselves said their tubes are meant to be used freshly squeezed rather than poured to dry. So some 'sensitive' painters may experience the slightly different rewetability of WN tubes. While their pans are formulated differently to make them easy to rewet.
I was waiting to swatch my swatch card before I watched your video👏🏼 it's just so fun to watch what other artists think if the colors. And I remembered you when I swatched madder rose 😅 I underestimated the smell and got so close to the paper when I swatched to smell it and it hit me so hard 😅😅
hahaha! thanks for sharing that, definitely gave me a smile for the day ;P
Permanent Carmine looks a little pinker to me than the two previous. Thanks for this, I enjoyed seeing the range of colours
now that u mention it, i can kinda see that too 👍🏻 i dont think i’ve seen you around before, welcome to the channel Kate! 🥳 thank u for watching and commenting~ 🥰
Thank you for sharing this video. I found it very informative. I appreciated the pigment and granulation information. It does get confusing at times so this did help a great deal.
Thank you!! So helpful! I told my husband I could watch swatching videos for hours...😂
you’re welcome! hahaha i completely understand you, i’ve definitely binged watched lots of swatch vids 😅🤣 i dont think i’ve seen u around before Gail. welcome to the channel! 🥰 thank you for watching and commenting too 🥰🥳
@@PaintinHiding Good eye! Yes, I’m a new subscriber...thanks for noticing and for the welcome! Love your channel...😍
@@gailbrule1744 thank you Gail~ 🥰 i shall warn u though that any of my vids prior to Burnt Sienna comparison don’t have audio. 😊
Perylene green is a black pigment, officially, which is why it is listed as a pigment Bk and not a pigment G. That does make it versatile as the mass tone is so deep, but it's also a very overpowering color if you are a new painter! And I've heard that viridian is notoriously difficult to rewet, which is why, even though it is a traditional color to have on a palette, it has been replaced by phthalos. Personally, I want the ALL!! Lol. Thanks for sharing this dot card watching! You did a lot of research for this video!! It is appreciated!
oh yyeahh, i have a PBk31 by shinhan prof (student grade) and even though it's less pigmented than the PWC range, it's still an overpowering colour >_< i dont have a lot of experience with many viridians but i can definitely see why phthalos easily replaced it. aww thank you so much! and i appreciate YOU for expressing your thoughts and telling me that. honestly, it really helps me mentally to be able to know that the vids i'm doing will hopefully benefit someone out there whether it's info or entertainment. so thank you jen! :D
I don't have a problem rewetting pans. I add a spritz or dab of water to all my pan colours before I start. Viridian is fine. Perhaps it's only tube paint that has a problem.
@@debbrantstevens8826 What pigment and brand of Viridian do you have? Winsor Newton said their pans are formulated differently than tube to make it easily rewetable. The dot card is made from tube paint, so it is understandable that Viridian dry hard as rock.
Great video. I don't have many but I do have Permanent Carmine and Aqua Green because of pigment nerding. The aqua green is an automotive pigment called Palomar Turquoise and I do know it's a phthalo. I have no additional info about the carmine. I remember reading on Handprint that Antwerp Blue is much less lightfast than the regular Prussian Blue.
sorry for late reply Jenn! didn't get a notif for this comment! D:
AQUA GREENN~~~!!!! that's definitely one i'm planning on buying when we get into 2023 :D
@@PaintinHiding definitely your kind of color. I haven't actually painted with it much yet, I did notice it pinholed a lot on my swatch card, but turquoise colors tend to do that. I think it must be super-fine pigment.
@@jennw6809 that’s alright~ i think whatever it is, im most likely still gonna buy it 🤣
I love longer videos with you. You’re very funny and cool. This video is so fun to watch.
26:02 I do. I use it for darker skin tones. It has a hue drying shift that makes it look like dry blood. It’s so pretty and fun to mix with oranges, yellows, and greens. I don’t like it with any blue. 🤷🏾
am i? i dont think anyone has told me im funny but thank you! 😅🙈
@@keepyourshoesathedoor yeah!!! dry bloooood!! i think maybe that put me off a little 😂
Thanks a lot! Very useful video. My favorite color is indigo, for shadows or mixing black. Winsor and newton is totally new for me, but I'm in love with this watercolors 🥰
hi nadin~ thanks for watching and commenting! yeah~ to my surprise, i quite like W&N as well. sadly not available to me in thailand anymore
thank you !!!!
you're welcome!
Transparent Orange is made using A pyrrole pigment. DPP stands for Diketo Pyrrolopyrrol. W&N used to say the CI name is PO107 but then they dropped that. It's not very clear to me why.
Permanent "mauve" , you got it right when you said the word the first time. My first language is French 😉
thank you maya 😊
Wonderful video sharing dear u r so talented keep growing lots of support from Gaurika Arts ❤️
Whoa I completely forgot that White Nights Naples yellow light is PY216! I love that color, it goes with their pastels, but it`s more yellow than Turner`s yellow. But, what I didn`t see until now is that they have Naples Orange with the same pigment, so the mix of the two would be something like Turner`s yellow)) Now I only hope that the stores didn`t cancel WN, or they have a stash. And while I`m off topic speaking of White Nights, I too don`t like the color of Perylene Violet (it`s more brownish), but it has some unexpected flocculating particles, does your do the same? I have it in a pan.
I love this W&N chart.. maybe `cos I`ve never tried their professional range. That colour: Rose Dore.. probably wouldn`t be too hard to mix, but every time I see it swatched I am just mesmerized. Lovely blues, as well. Thank you!
yeahhh white nights has two PY216. i think jackson's isn't going to import anymore white nights for a long time so that's another choice for you if it's still available. perylene violet.... i don't think my has particles or flocculates. it's rather transparent through and through. i have mine in a pan as well.
glad the vid has been useful :D!
@@PaintinHiding that`s strange.. I`m sure it leaves some sort of particles, but I wouldn`t call it granulation, same as their green PG8 and if I remember correctly Prussian blue, with lots of pigment and lots of water. If I find an example or try it, I`ll send you a pic on Ig. xx
@@PaintinHiding oh, sorry for more edits, but.. Do you find W&N PY159 kinda gummy when you activate it? I haven`t tried schmincke`s, but I bought some supergranulating tubes w/that pigment, and w/PR108, and they are a bit gummier, compared to other colors. I think PR108 is almost only red granulation w/almost no undercolor...it granulates that much
@@LowKey_izildura that’s sooo weird! maybe i’ll need to swatch mine again and give u an update later 👍🏻
@@LowKey_izildura py159… on its own i wouldnt say it’s gummy at all. BUT it is more gummy compared to typical watercolours. cool info! thank you for sharing 🥰😆
This one is super helpful, now I know that my palette is missing the Naples Yellow Deep for the tanned skin tones. I wonder what color you'd use or mix for your own skintone :) I loved hearing the nature sounds in the background, sounds like you live by a river/waterfall :)
i dont really paint portraits so i dont mix skintones unfortunately lol
i rinse after every swatch so yes i did.
Hi Vee! Thanks for the video! Just want you to know that after seeing this video a couple days ago, I ordered the Winsor Newton travel Field Box with Professional colors, and a Roman Szmal pan of Prussian Blue. I used your link, and want to make sure you receive credit for it, cause of course I was given the usual run around and jump thru the hoops of - change to USA currency 12 times, and accept cookies on every page. JACKSON'S: If you're reading this, you need serious work on your website!! They flip me around so many times that I am always afraid they dropped your credit for my purchase. This is not at all your fault; only telling you so you can check that you were credited. I know it's probably only a few cents. 😟 You are such a good salesperson for them; it should be much more! I appreciate you, and look forward to your videos! Thanks for all you do! ♥️ Donna
Donnaaaaaaaa! how have u been?! 😆❤️ that field box is an amazing set! i feel like even some of W&N cotman sets are pretty cool in terms of configuration. okaay, i just checked and i see your order, thank you so much! 🥰 actually, i did several tests and i found that i get the same problem with jackson’s switching sites when i use Safari but i dont get those problems on google Chrome. dont know why 🤷🏻♀️ aaand i actually got $3.08 which is a lot more than a few cents 🥳 the commission is 5% just incase you were wondering. it’s not always like an exact 5% but usually close enough. aww thank you for ur kind words ❤️ i was thinking to stop sale announcement vids but i was talking to a friend and came to the conclusion that it might be cool to stick with it and by the end of the year we’ll have a reference to see how many watercolour-related sales jacksons offers annually and which kinds. i cant guarantee for all sales but i’ll try my best to keep up with it. 👍🏻 (gonna go read your other comment 😁)
Hello ! Thanks for your video, very useful.
Transparent Orange : DPP means DiketoPyrroloPyrrole, means it is a hybrid pigment with qualities of organic and non-organic pigments.
You have Daniel Smith Pyrrol Orange n°126 PO73 and Transparent Pyrrol Orange n°187 PO71 (more red than PO73) : both hybrid pigments.
Thanks for the info!
Perylene maroon, Burnt Sienna and Light red make 3 fabulous tones for tile rooftops making the roof look far more interesting than one flat colour. Perylene maroon is pr179, yhe same pigment being used to replace pr206 in older permanent alizarin crimson. I prefer the permanent alizarin crimson. It will be interesting to see the difference between pr179 and pr206 new and old colours. I wonder how winsor and bewton will treat pr179 to get more brightness from it?
I had the same experience with Viridian, was wondering if my dot card was defective
Hi! May I ask if this dot card is on watercolor paper?
I have Schmincke’s volcano yellow and red. I think the W&N respective cadmium yellow and red here seem to rewet more easily and have stronger pigment load
Hi Jit! it seems to be on watercolour paper, yes. definitely not cotton, it feels like regular cellulose coldpress watercolour paper.
ooohh that's so cool to know! thank you for the observation! if u have access to mijello PY40, cobalt yellow, that one rewets easily and granulates as well. although PY40 may not be lightfast.
Permanent Carmine is listed as Quinacridone Pyrrolidone, not sure how lightfast it is, the Art Pigment Database says that Handprint calls it fugitive IV, but quins are usually lightfast 🤷
oohh! thank you so much for the info everart! that's very informative :D
I love long swatches with commentary, now that you mention that their burnt sienna is like the "transparant red oxide" in the range that make so much sense, its a beautiful color tho, i think the brown ochre is the "burnt sienna-ish" with PBr7, not as deep or orange as i like but hey its PBr7 what baffles me is their burnt umber why is it 3 pigment instead of just 1, it's like they mix all the earth color and get it dark enough and just called a day. if you want to know more about pigment i highly recommend kimcrick youtube and website, i learn a lot from her about pigment and paint like how you said that the magnesium brown made with PY119 looks like roman szmal aquarius brown is because winsor newton list the chemical as iron magnesium oxide which is PBr11, i belive schmincke has a "true" PY119 in spinel brown.
well you're in luck! i recently swatched out DS dot cards and will work on editing that. then as you might have seen from my haul vid, a schmincke dot card as well. so those will be rolling out. (not anytime soon though, ;P). yeahhh i think i agree with you about the brown ochre. YEAHH whyy is burnt umber so many pigments? O.O i'll definitely check out kim crick's stuff, thanks so much! oooh yeah i'll need to go rewatch her vid on py119 pbr11 :D thanks for reminding me~ hehe~
As when i go to order the new colour i wont know what one to order?
this allows know what i need still from w&n....
I Just got my winsor newton paint set, and cant tell what colour they are, my name on the mini pallets dont really have numbers to put them in order, the way you did it in this video still dosnt help is there any other way to know the order?thanks mal
which paint set did u get? if they're in tubes, u can just look at the colour number on the label. like Viridian is 692. if you got a set that is the half pan form, just look at the side of the pan. W&N labels their pans.
Great video, is it just me or do these dots seem on the stingy side? I did add perylene maroon (from M Graham) to my palette recently because I got a sample card from Oto Kano's patreon and I just thought it was a pretty color. I haven't used it for much yet but I envision flowers in a darker forest scene or things like that. I just had plenty of bright reds but not darker muted ones and it seemed like it would fill a gap. Oh I did use it for some reddish colored rocks in an underwater scene, worked well there.
thank you :D and yes, it's not just you, the dots are rather stingy. i had to use one of my smallest brushes. oooh thanks for sharing how you use perylene maroon. that's so cool! i wouldn't have ever thought to use it for underwater scenes :D
@@PaintinHiding I put it up on instagram so you probably saw it :)
@@petiteflower5259 ohh i did see it! ooohhhhhh~ looking again hehe 😁
Is the W&N professional good for those wanting their first professional watercolors?
absolutely yes. i dont use a lot of winsor myself because it's not easily accessible here in thailand.
W&N pthalo green is the only pthalo green
It’s very interesting that both ceruleans are made of PB35. I could have sworn that one of them was a PB36.
i wonder if it was PB36 in the past and they might have changed the formula? i've never looked at W&N until this year so i honestly don't know.
@@PaintinHiding I was wondering the same thing…
@@PaintinHiding I checked Jane Blundell’s W&N swatches from 2017 and Cerulean Blue Red shade was indeed made using PB36. You can check it here: janeblundellart.blogspot.com/2017/04/winsor-newton-watercolours-almost-full.html. Interestingly, she also swatched PO49 to compare it to the new Quinacridone Gold hue that was introduced in or before 2017. It’s interesting to know that W&N had PO49.
@@awatercolourist ur such a great detective! 😆👍🏻🥳
@@PaintinHiding 🕵️♂️
Did you smell the Rose Madder Genuine NR9? The Winsor Newton pigment is said to carry the actual scent of roses.
per your comment, i just went to smell it, and i can't smell anything lol. maybe there's not enough on the dot card. if there was more, maybe? but i didn't know that so thank you for the info!
W&N used to add bergamot essence to please Queen Vickie or something. Not sure whether they still do that.
@@awatercolourist queen vickie?! 🤣🤣🤣 it’s like calling the current queen, queen betts 🤣😂🤣
@@PaintinHiding The current queen is called Liz or even Lizzie.
@@monsoon_magic2874 whaaaaaattt?! this is the first im hearing of this! 🤯
I have asked Winsor and Newton why the composition and permanence tables and the dot card you are swatching now, say that granulation and staining are 'not applicable or blank. It's misleading at the moment suggesting cad free colours are all more easy to wash blot out / removable/less staining and are all not granulating looking at the dot card alone.
Qor viridian rewets well
Omg how am I supposed to pick what to buy. I'm dirt poor but I love all of these.
yeah~ winsor and newton is a nice range. sadly they dont ship to me anymore so i dont even have the option of buying at all. no stress 🤣
@@PaintinHiding Aw, that's tough! They appear to be a surprisingly hard to purchase brand for me as well. I mean, lots of sellers appear to offer their more affordable water colors, but I really had to search before I found any shops that sell their professional line.
Thanks for the calming words 😄 Thankfully I think that once the paints arrive I'll be quite content even with a smaller selection because I tend to fall in love with a shade or two and use them obsessively for a fairly lengthy period before I surface and want to focus on something else x)
👏👏♥️🙏🐨🦘
cadmium free is a healthy option - not primarily environmental
thank you for the info, welcome to the channel 😊
why do you carry the one colour to the next? when you want to know, how a colour swatches, why don't you wash out your brush every single time??????
i do wash my brush. between which colours did u see i hadn’t washed my brush? a timestamp would be nice
@@PaintinHiding in the first line with some of the yellows and some of the oranges
@@nursen2106 every time my brush goes off screen is where i wash my brush. i'm not seeing anywhere where i carry one colour to the next. sorry, i can't help anymore than that. there's some jump cuts here and there to save time but they're quite apparent.
@@PaintinHiding the it must have been cut in too fast to see. e.g 5.41 maybe just because of the cut it looks like it
Just curious, at 5:40 did you not rinse the brush off when moving from cad free yellow deep to cad orange? 🤔