Being a Christian does not hinder individuality or free thinking. God literally gifted us with the ability to think freely. There are many parts of The Body of Christ and they are are very different. They all do very different things but they are all of The Body of Christ.
Yes your right in a sense but remember God has given us his word his revelation and his infallible word is authority in the life of a Christian so all Christians are defined by what God has spoken and said in his word so remember every human being is different but the body of Christ is defined, the Christians life, morals, values, beliefs, are defined by the word of God and if someone goes against the word of God or teaches and believes something that God said isn’t true or that isn’t in the Bible then they aren’t of God unless they repent and turn to the truth remember truth has been truth since the dawn of time and it will be truth until the end of time and beyond truth will never be false and all truth is found in the word of God I hope you have a blessed day my brother in Christ I’ll keep you in my prayers
@@theoskeptomai2535 God gave us the gift of freedom of thought and action. God gave us all the gift of diversity, for what a boring world it would be if we all sang, danced, looked, or thought exactly like each other. I came to these conclusions by using the wonderful gift of a freely thinking mind that was given to me by God. If you truly love something then you set it free, you allow that something to make its own choices. God wants us to know Him and to put God first always but God loves us enough to allow us to choose, even if it means denying Him.
Its a beautiful thing to see someone called and equipped to talk to young people the way Cliffe does. I know he would say its the Holy Spirit..and I would agree. To God be the Glory for working thru His creation. Amen.
@@LookOutForNumberOne so feeling convicted AND defensive. Classic. You're not alone..we all took that route. Been there done that. Ok so continue running from God...run run run. Its not really God chasing you..its the guilt of sin..but by all means run till you're exhausted. He'll wait.
@@theoskeptomai2535 Your quite welcome.. My own experiences started with a argument. This Flat earther told me to respond to some questions. And 3 weeks later. My eyes were opened. And i know we live on a flat Earth. From there. I wanted to figure out what else is a lie. Long story short. God sent his only begotten son. To die on a cross 2000 yrs ago. And he took upon himself all the sin's of mankind. He was buried. And rose again 3 days later. In fulfillment of scriptures. Was seen by 500 people. He sent the Holy Spirit to anyone who would trust upon the Death Burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And i have eternal life because of the finished work on the Cross. Hope that helps bro.. Bye the way. I believe this VAX is the Mark of the Beast. Because it's nanotechnology dot's changes our DNA.
What's the evidence that view of soft atheism is right? The evidence is that there are no good evidence for existence of God. What's the evidence that view of hard atheism is right? The evidence is, if we're talking about God's supposed revelations, that God didn't reveal himself in such way that would be understandable to everyone; God didn't do good job in proving himself. Proof for that is that Cliffe needs to prove God, instead of God proving himself.
@@goranmilic442 "The evidence is that there are no good evidence for existence of God." . How r u going to explain everything around you? how r u going to explain existence without ultimately undermining the credibility of your theory? . . "The evidence is, if we're talking about God's supposed revelations, that God didn't reveal himself in such way that would be understandable to everyone; God didn't do good job in proving himself." . The Bible is right there mate, u just need to take it up and read it. God has given you the free will to choose for yourself. the proof is there, ur research is what's missing.
@@justindesouza977 It's impossible for humanity to explain existence of universe, since people are unable to explore what caused universe to expand. Can we agree on that? If we agree, then how does human's lack of ability to explain something prove God? I ask for good evidence for God, I didn't ask can humans explain universe or not. I read the Bible, many atheists (and people from religions other than Christianity) have read the Bible and found it isn't good evidence nor proof for God. Which shows my claim is true, God's supposed revelation isn't good enough to prove God's existence to everyone.
@@goranmilic442 " It's impossible for humanity to explain existence of universe, since people are unable to explore what caused universe to expand. Can we agree on that? If we agree, then how does human's lack of ability to explain something prove God?" . Cause the lack of ability to explain an event with nature suggests that the event is supernatural- by definition. The existence of the universe can either be:- a) created by the Supernatural b) created by nature the latter would put forth a list of problems, 1. it suggests Nature created Nature, which doesn't even answer the question 2. suggests everything was random, and thus, an accident, and thus, our existence is an accident, and thus, our thought process is an accident, which undermines the credibility of the theory itself. Thus, the only explanation left is that a Supernatural created existence. . . And many aethiests I know have read and STUDIED the Bible and find it convincing evidence and proof for the existence of God. . . Also, "Proof for the existence of God" is quite a laughable approach. The entire concept of God is that He is supernatural and exists beyond our human nature by definition. How do you find it competent to restrict a Supernatural's existence to your natural thought process, when He is defined to be above your thought process? Remember this doesn't apply to your claim because your claim relies on Nature only, and thus, you need to explain everything with Nature. I don't, because my claim relies on the existence of Supernatural. For a fact, humans have limited knowledge. We have a realm where we know everything, and we have a realm ofwhich we know absolutely nothing about. And we have the inbetween, that links these 2 realms, and that's the Bible and whatever God reveals to us.
Cliffe your presence offers all these children a father figure and talking about Jesus Christ my heart goes out to you and I thank you Jesus for you Cliffe. How many who listen come from stable to broken families that need to hear the gospel coming from you Cliffe you are the ideal.
okay that was wholesome, two people introducing themselves (assuming they are both christians) during a small debate and looking happy and excited about it in the background 😢 23:00
@@doctr7147 I know right. Most of these kids will never understand. God is real and more loving than they think. And they are willing to trust only themselves and risk being in hell for eternity just because they don't want to look at the facts.
@@doctr7147 That was hard to read. I believe I'm very different from other's and see the bigger picture. I don't believe that we all just exist. And based on the evidence of DNA God is real.
@@The-Azure-Knight the question at play is not whether God exists ..only ones that dont know themselves will think God doesn't exist ..but the real question at hand is who god ..which is faith is correct and judging on what I've read from what you have written to me with your responses .. You are incorrect ...but that's your problem not mine ..I don't really blame you entirely . I blame your ancestors but you have the responsibility to yourself to seek out the truth which you stubbornly don't because for whatever reasons ..perhaps because it suits your way of living / life ..but I'm in no mood or have an interest in coercing you into the truth / right path when it comes to matters of faith / religion as I am not responsible for you
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416there is a Christian on here who's giving Christians a really bad name on a different spread ice twice spoke with him second time I had to tell him off finger accusatory when she doesn't even know me he doesn't know my position on things he assumes things on me I'm stating this St Paul for everyone to read on every thread where I may leave this I don't care if you're an atheist a Christian and agnostic or anyting you do not do that with people you know what you're talking about first. I know you don't like to get involved and doctrinal matters and I don't want you to either but if you see this Christian on these threads doing what he did with me please correct him stand up to him so that he will know that just like we say The Atheist around here but not going to be allowed to act that way.
What do the following verses suggest to you, for Jesus is saying that his return to earth will happen in the generation of the people to whom he is speaking? Yet, this never happened. Then Apostle Peter said that the prophecy of Joel was currently being fulfilled. This also never happened. So what are we to conclude? Deuteronomy 18:21-22. Matthew 16:27-28 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Mark 13:24-30 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Matthew 24:29-35 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 10:19-23 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Acts 2:14-20 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Definition of generation: all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.
@@mariobethell3731 The Bible defines a generation as 70-80 years. The fig tree represents Israel. Many, myself included, believe the fig tree coming to fruition is Israel becoming an independent nation, which happened in 1948. We believe that that marked the last generation. In other words, if we are correct, Jesus' return would be some time in 2028 or 2029. If you back off 7 years for the tribulation, that leaves a 2021 (obviously didn't happen) or 2022 rapture. It's very possible we will see the rapture by May 14th (the anniversary of Israel) this year. If not, then then next earliest theory is for some time in 2023 (the anniversary of Israel's government being established). There are a lot of prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled and Jesus promises to come back and fulfill them.
I hope I get the chance to meet you someday cliffe. You have had a great impact on my life and I’m grateful that God lead me to you and your knowledge. Keep preaching brother
Thankyou .Cliff, you are an expert debater for the truth to those who are in darkness.I know that you are a god servant of God. Surely, Jesus will say to you (Well done, good & faithfull servant, you were faithfull over a few things,I will make you the ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord).
Hey Cliff, thank you for your commitment to truth. You've been such a big influence on me that I've started a channel of my own "Christopher Boorman Speaks". God bless you!
At the end of these discussions, I have come to this conclusion that many of these students are not but bad excuse-makers. Just listen to how they go around in circles and ugh, ugh, ugh their way throughout the conversation.
Cliffe, your videos are informative, entertaining, and instructive. I hope that someday God's plan for me is to become someone like you. May God bless you and your ministry, and may He bring you to even greater heights, and help you reach more people.
The evidence points to the fact that the findings of the Dead Sea scrolls proved that the scribes were accurately recording down what was earlier written, with astounding accuracy.
@@hatersgotohell627 try looking into the Great Isaiah scroll first. It clearly provides evidence that the scribes were copying the scriptures accurately for over 1000 years alone.
I don't know about that because there are scholars like Dr. Richard Carrier, Dr. Robert Price and Dr. Bart Erhmam who say there are more errors in the manuscripts than there are manuscripts. I think there are more than 5,500 manuscripts.
Have you no idea of the many ways this has been debunked ?? ( even by the church ) that's WHY they hold no official position on its authenticity one way or the other.
Student: Is there any physical evidence from that time period? Cliffe: Yes, there's many examples of evidence. *provides some* Student: Well physical evidence doesn't prove the events happened. 🤦♂
Reminds me of a favorite quote of mine... “To give truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation.” _-George McDonald (1824-1905), Scottish author, poet, and Christian minister_ Brings to mind some of the resident trolls of this very channel!
Cliff never gave any physical evidence. He tried to throw up a smoke screen about archaeologists discovering Nazareth and Bethlehem. None of that proves Jesus existed or was god. London exists but does Sherlock Holmes?
The videos are edited out of about 3-5 hours of video. The 30 min episodes are turned into TV shows that are aired in New England, Australia, New Zealand and parts of Europe. I'm sure the guy who does the editing puts together the videos in such a way that, in 28 min, you get some good stuff.
😄 Seems like athiests "pray" that the Bible would not be true and reliable. They are so determined and full of purpose and motivation. I give thanks to the Lord that we were all given a conscience!!!!
@@theoskeptomai2535 could not agree more , belief is not a "choice" you are either convinced or you are unconvinced and it's EVIDENCE that convinces. I could not just make myself believe in fairies at the bottom of my garden because it promises me some benefit, no matter how much I closed my eyes and stamped my feet. 😁
Believers help nonbelievers understand they are a sinner in need of a Savior. God’s word works because of the Holy Spirit, not our imperfect way of explaining, plant seeds. Be confident in God's Word. 🕊 1 Peter 3:15 👑 1 Corinthians 15
And as Paul did, when he went to the Jews, he went as a Jew. When he went to a gentile, he went as a gentile. It’s not a game of LARPING, rather understanding their ways, and explain the gospel in a way they will understand, to bring them to the full light of scripture. Babies are given the milk; when you are no longer a babe, you are given the meat.
@@svfoxyeah I'm good with baloney, I mean just who would believe that a god decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ??????? ☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔
The quietly spoken student at about 18:00 mins gave an excellent response to how we don't need some type of external moral law giver for a given society to thrive and survive, we're more than capable as a species to figure out for ourselves what works and what doesn't work. We modify our morals over time, eg: why did people stop stoning adulterers, despite what the Bible clearly states : Leviticus (20:10-12) which reads: "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, even with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and adulteress must be put to death. Any rational moral person living in the 21st century would be appalled by such an action. Was God right or wrong in commanding us to stone adulterers to death?
The only reason you think we can get fine without God is because you live right now, where Godlessness hasn't reached its peak yet and things seem to be still relatively fine, yet if you would know where this world is heading and what will happen when Godlessness will become rampant, you would be horrified and would run to God asap.
@@nikokapanen82 Hi Niko, the world has always been in flux. In relative terms you may be shocked to learn that the population today, in general, is more peaceful and prosperous than at anytime in the past for the majority of us. If you think thats wrong, name me a time in the past when things were better for the common man? 500 years ago, 1000?, 5000? 50 years ago.? You are absolutely right to suggest that the planet is heading for some really tough times. I am well aware of that. We have a weekly tv news report show on channel 4 here in the UK called "Unreported world", each week they highlight parts of the globe that are experiencing terrible things, it's truly heartbreaking to watch. You can TH-cam "unreported world" and see for yourself. But there has never been a time in human history when those terrible things weren't happening. If and when you pray to Jesus Niko, does he actively intervene and improve their situations?
Yes he was. You seem to not look into context sometimes Tom. The context historically is there was no cops, no prisons, no jails. Every crime had to be handled by the family or people themselves. These were so harsh because they're made as a deterrent and because of the above facts. You try to make excuses not to follow God but the only thing you're going to get is hell for eternity. th-cam.com/video/I5gv-V9axtg/w-d-xo.html
@@nikokapanen82 Most European countries have very high rates of non-belief. They also have very low rates of crime and the highest standards of living. What does that tell you?
@@colinmatts Yes, i live in such a European country, Finland, where you have mostly middle class living, very good social security, free universal healthcare, basically no homelessness and even the prisons are more a rehabilitation centers than punishment facilities and i can assure you that all this well being is in great part the result of a deeply rooted message of the Gospel since Luther times into the fabric of people's behavior and governing authorities. Up to 90% of the population has a great respect to the law enforcement and that is because majority of people's hearts are rooted on respecting the law and order, who are willing to pay high taxes just to have such virtues in the country. Never before in the world, was such message heard as taking care of others, who are not even your close relatives, only with Jesus this message was preaches and welcomed in all Nordic countries and it was welcomed to such a degree that even the flags has a cross on them. So what Finland and other Nordic countries are doing, where they take good care of the poor and the needy is in direct relation to the Gospel. It is true that in the last couple of decades, people are beginning to lose their faith in God in masses, it is happening very rapidly and where will it lead to... You cannot believe right now.
Without a common framework for moral claims, which constitutes much of what people talk about, there is little foundation for communication to have meaning. Agnosticism lacks that common framework.
@@theoskeptomai2535 being able to make sense of reality. Being able to justify your reasoning (metalogic), the laws of logic (non-contradiction, excluded middle, law of identity), the laws of mathematics, the principle of induction (that tomorrow will be like today - the uniformity of nature in a random chance, chaotic universe), objective moral truths, the reliability of sense perception.
On the subject. Of the text, the oral tradition of the people involved was to know the material and hear the scrolls at the synogogue. They committed the information to memory and corrected each other. They went on the Sabbath to hear it read to them just the same as before. When those first century gospels were written and copied into other languages, the same kind of people with the same kind of careful reverence wrote and kept and copied the info as accurately as they could. Some of the writings of this type show evidence of embellishment and error. This is why they're non canonical and we have the four surviving gospels. Veritas forum us a good place to hear scholars speak about having viewed the evidence and having the education to read and verify what survived In antiquity. I think it's so great that people value the truth at such a high level. They devote time and attention to preservation and discussion of the truth. Other people spend their lives trying to make up their own god instead of the living God. They want their sins and crime to be ok and acceptable. That's how this subject is constantly being discussed, it always has and may always be compelling.
@@godislove363 OK, so let us look at the mentions of HaSatan (Satan) in the Jewish Tanakh. What does it tell us about this Angel (Malakh or Messenger)? First, when Elohim made everything he said It is good. He did not say, it is good except that Satan fellow. Christianity teaches that we cannot master sin but What does Genesis 4:7 say? "If you do what is right will you not be accepted? But if you do not then sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is to have you, but you can master over it." This is absurd in the Christian tradition. In Christian theology man is a slave to sin John 8:34. We cannot stop sinning without Jesus in the Christian Faith. Next let us Go to Numbers 22. Here we get a deeper understanding of what HaSatan is. He is Sent by Hashem and stands in the path blocking Balaam and his donkey. It calls him here Malakh Yahwey an Angel of the Lord. So this HaSatan is an Angel of Hashem who stands in the way or as an adversary to man. In the Jewish Tradition it is to provide free will to man. As such HaSatan is not the enemy of God, only one who provides temptation for Man. On the Contrary, the Jewish view of HaSatan is that he is a servant of Hashem and only does his will. But let us Look at another of the Bibles Oldest texts, the book of Job, to try and understand this figure. HaSatan goes before the presence of Hashem (which nothing unholy was allowed in Hashems Presence). HaSatan and Hashem discuss Job and his righteousness. Hashem gives certain commands to HaSatan and HaSatan strictly obeys his commands. I find that a peculiar rebellious angel who only is obedient to every last word of Hashem. Not in any point did he rebel here but was rather obedient and since in the Christian conception he is unholy then How is Satan in the Presence of the Divine which Torah teaches us clearly that the Unclean and unholy cannot be allowed in his Presence. Or again, we see in one Story that God moved David to count the people (which is strictly forbidden by Torah in Numbers), and in another version of the same story Satan moved David to count the people. Who did it? Was it God or Satan? This is a problem for the Christian conception of Satan. However if we are to understand the Jewish conception then it is easy to understand. God working through Satan tempted David. Oh but God cannot be tempted nor does he tempt people. That is what your New Testament says, sure. But Let us not forget it also says God does not lie yet we see in Tanakh that God sends a lying spirit into the mouth of his prophets. Again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, over, and over, and over, and over, etc... we see a very reoccurring theme. The New Testament does not line up with Tanakh. HaSatan in Tanakh is not a rebellious angel but one who is obedient, He is not the Enemy of God but the Adversary of Man providing temptation, is not fallen but remains in the presence of Hashem, is not unholy (as he could not enter Gods Presence) but rather is capable of entering the presence of the Holy one. The question you should really ask yourself is why does my bible fly in the face of what the church teaches me? They cannot both be true, either the bible is false or the church is lying to you. I have given you chapter and verse figure it out for yourself. Either you obey the Scriptures or you obey the church, your choice.
@@skwozies3083 because you again have not paid attention to what I have said in the past very recently then I will not reply to this because if you cannot respectfully understand what I said and you know nothing about me and how dare you judge me you don't know what I follow you don't know what I know a lot of what you said is inconsistent you don't know God's word if you're going to state that you may have some knowledge you may have some of that book and she mentioned I only want to color your color because I'm only going to speak at the Holy Bible get itself have the 66 books I mentioned God is consistent I'm not disagreeing I'll tell me what you said because actually I do take the Bible and God's word before ever take the church but once again. Just shows that you don't pay attention and you assume on me that I think the church or the gods over the Bible or God's work and that's not so.
Cliffe is such a good debater, and educated on the topics he talks about that he needs to take on people of his own level. Matt Dillahunty has been an excellent contender and I'd really like to see more videos of them going back and forth.
Cliff believes the _"doctrine of biblical inerrancy"_ which says everything in the Bible is true without errors or contradictions. So 👉in Cliff's mind👈 Biblical assertions are proven facts. However, 👉in reality👈 they are just assertions.
@@lloydtucker5647 well, he definitely adheres to no contradictions. But he also doesn't treat the Bible as all history. As for inerrancy, he holds to the idea that the only thing that matters is Jesus rising from the dead. If that's true, who cares about the rest?
@@Malhaloc There is an _"A and Non-A Can Not Both Be True In The Same Place At The Same Time"_ problem *after* the Baptism of Jesus. According to all four gospels, a sequence of events happened where John the baptizer announces Jesus saying _"behold the lamb of God."_ There was a voice from heaven saying _"this is my beloved son, etc, etc...."_ and The Holy Spirit descended like a dove. According to Matthew, Mark, and Luke, immediately after being baptized Jesus went into the wilderness for the next forty days. According to John's gospel, Jesus never went into the wilderness. Instead, Jesus was calling disciples to build his ministry the day after his baptism.
@@lloydtucker5647 these are old arguments that have been debunked but you choose to still follow or this not true there's no contradiction in God's word none can't find it because I don't exist if you don't understand how writing Works in different styles of different people with Cliffs even discussed when you don't understand any form of writing from any other author.
Cliffe isn't out there to stroke his own ego and prove everyone he's right, he's saying Jesus is right, and no matter how compelling someone's theory is; doesn't compare to the reliability of Jesus. And cliffe always asks, and it's a point that I agree with: if you aren't living for Jesus, what is it that you've put your faith in and live for, and what's the evidence that's it's true? Compelling or not, truth exists.
Cliffe is very good at preaching deceivingly. Listen very carefully to how he demonstrably lures you into false dichotomies, find out what he conveniently omits saying. How he misrepresents people, positions, methods,... a true master of manipulating words. Seriously write it down. Investigate. Watch his debates. Think for yourself... don't believe me...
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Still waiting for those 13 evidentiary facts. Been caught in another lie, have you now? You never have and never will introduce even one evidentiary fact that substantiates your claim. You simply can't and won't defend your position. At least my position is defensible. So you settle for last place and follow me round taking pot shots at me because you're too much of a coward to argue your position. Now go find your sycophant girlfriends and cast your insults indirectly like the cowards all of have demonstrated to be.
7:36 Yep. That typical jock attitude. "it does not matter what I do. But, it matters what you do." That "red-pilled" mentality. "a master key that opens multiple locks is better than one key that opens only one lock" That mentality irks me to my core! Hypocrite!
@@billyholly I'm sure in your head he (god) has made an appearance billy, but the reality is, as far as we atheists can see, he only exists in your mind.. and your version of God is very subjective and personal to each and every Christian. Would you agree with me that your Christian God evades the 5 human senses? Hope you're doing well my friend 😍
@@bonnie43uk I will get to your question soon because I want to know how YOU have been. You didn't respond to my last question during our last thread discussion and I was concerned. Have you been OK?
I love your discussions but to often just when the conversation leaves the deep philosophical aspects and starts to get to the practicalities in answering the questions the segment abruptly ends. The nitty gritty is just about to be revealed then BAM the vids on to the next person. I like the philosophical but the practical application just as much. Thanks for sharing.
With respect to the question: "what physical evidence do we have of the Gospel?" there are many fragments of the True Cross that have been faithfully guarded since St. Elena's visit to the Holy Land in the 4th century. In the Sainte Chapel of Paris there is the crown of thorns worn by Our Lord, that St. Louis, King of France, brought back from the Crusades. In the cathedral of Valencia, Spain, there is what many believe to be the Holy Grail of the Last Supper. That's just a few of the most significant relics. But the most astonishing object of all, often called "the fifth Gospel", is the holy shroud of Turin. It tells us a detailed story of Our Lord's Passion, death and resurrection.
Did you know in jewish tradition when someone died , the head was wrapped in a different cloth then the body , so you have two pieces not one , GOD BLESS
@@gordo191 Yes, I did know that. That is why the holy shroud of Turin is the large cloth that wrapped Our Lord's body. In the cathedral of Oviedo, Spain, there is a relic called the Sudarium, which many claim is precisely the cloth you mentioned. Blessings +++
Wow! 4-hours later and the only resident trolls to make their appearance so far are, of course, BONNIEUK43, and the JACKAL'S GATE. I'm sure THEO SKEPTOMAI and the others will be along shortly... This vid of course is all about Bonnie, but Bonnie won't listen or learn or 'question his own mindset', and yet he shows up here religiously-vid after vid, week after week, year after year-starting every single comment the same way he always has. God haters cannot be reasoned with. (Proverbs 1... as well as Romans 1:18-22)
Probably a real piece of burial cloth, but the features of the person showed on it are of someone of Caucasian descent. Very unlikely that it was Jesus.
The Shroud of Turin is evidence that theists haven't any evidentiary facts to substantiate their claim that a god exists and have to produce fraudulent artifacts to fill that void.
Frank Turek has an interesting response: th-cam.com/video/7WXZg_OfpF8/w-d-xo.html As for myself, I don't really care. It doesn't affect my evidence or understanding of God. If anything, it's a distraction for nonbelievers.
@@theoskeptomai2535 If what you wrote were true, then the shroud could be reproduced by others today. It can't. I don't pay any attention to the shroud.
@@billyholly at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if it's authentic or not. Let's say that a study came out that proved 100% certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt that the shroud contains the image of Jesus Christ and the image could only have been caused by the resurrection, do you really think that would convince people its true? Or would they come up with another reason not to believe? People literally saw Jesus perform miracles and called him a fake. Evidence isn't the problem, they don't want it to be true. Like Jordan Peterson said, the implications are too great.
Shalom and many blessings to you all. Jesus Christ is God's Son and Broke Time Itself. So therefore think on it and use the Soul. There is no Good or Bad it is the thought that makes it so. As I walk this path of peace and love I hope it is yours as well. God bless you all my brothers and sisters in God's hands. Peace be with you all.
That's a loaded question you might want to think about all the different cancers you would receive you want to have a discussion on it let me know and I'm not even saying I necessarily disagree with you I'm just saying that's a very loaded statement you made.
One thing i seen in one of Cliffe's other videos where he actually contradicts the Bible is where he said that the earth could possibly be billions of years old, and that the genealogies in Genesis could mean grandsons and great grandsons. That is literally against what the Bible clearly teaches. Genesis 10 clearly states each man and his son and the age that he was when he begat his son. It is very literal. Jesus Christ said Adam and Eve were the beginning. Evolution would put death before sin, but the Bible clearly states sin brought death into the world. Man is appointed 7000 years. A day with the Lord is as a thousand years, 1000 years as one day. In 6 days God created earth and heaven and everything in it. On the 7th day He rested. If the ages in the Bible add up to 4000 years until the Lord Jesus Christ, plus the 2000 years since the Lord Jesus Christ, equals 6000 years, and 1000 years for the millennial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ's return to the earth and destroys the antichrist. After the millennial reign, this heaven and earth, death and hell, are cast into the lake of fire and perish, and the new heaven and new earth come down as a bride adorned for her husband. 7 is the number for completion, 7000 years, 8 is the number for new beginnings, 8000th year. Man lived with dinosaurs. Fossils are evidence of the flood and proof for God's judgment. Reptiles don't stop growing, the climate and conditions in the earth were much more different before the flood. So if man and everything is living for 900 years how big could they get? There are still dinosaurs in some remote areas today. What do you think loch ness monster is?
Movie quote time! *Jane Aubrey:* What if my face was all scraped off and I was totally disfigured and had no arms and legs and I was completely paralyzed. Would you still love me? *Billy Chapel:* No. But we could still be friends. _-Kellie Preston & Kevin Costner, For Love of the Game_
KJV Exodus 20:1-12, 14-17 1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
It's funny and sad at the same time how people are willing to support any kind of theory, no matter how absurd it may be, just to get God's existence out of the equation. Because if they admit that there is a God up there, the question would be, "Why don't you live as if God exists?" . Their whole life would be turned upside down if they recognized that God exists, so they would rather adopt any other theory. And it's easier to adopt a theory than to change your entire lifestyle. No more sex before marriage, no more pornography, no more homosexuality, no more college parties, no more drugs, no more selfishness, no more "I do what I want," and so on. It's too hard for them to give up all this. They don't want to give up. They want to continue to do what they want, but at the same time to be told that they are good people, that they are moral. Well, dear ones, that's impossible.
Oh the irony, Its funny and so sad at the same time just how many people are willing to support any kind of fairytale.... Talking snakes, tribes of GIANTS, magic , witches , virgin births, zombies, mud figurines becoming living breathing man and ribs becoming women. Because their whole world would be turned upside down if there were no invisible being watching their every move, or no eternital afterlife spent worshipping this being. No more polygamy, no more slavery endorsement, no more incestuous relationships, no more infanticide, no more bigoted homophobia. No more " we can commit genocide cos god told us "" and so on . It's to hard for them to give up all this. They want to do all this while telling everyone that they are good people that they are moral. Well dear that's impossible. 😜
Cliff: "You have faith that agnosticism is an accurate picture of reality" How could that be true when agnosticism doesn't make any claims about reality?
The Law of non-contradiction is a construct in formal logic but does not always work in real life. A photon is both a particle and not a particle (a wave) at the same time. In quantum computing, a qubit is both 1 and 0 at the same time. Even Christians who use this law to argue against other faiths does not believe in it when it comes to their own faith. God is 1 and not 1 (i.e. 3) at the same time. Jesus is both man and not man (i.e. God) at the same time.
10:33... Stupidest argument for Jesus I have ever heard. "Within 150 years of Tiberius death 10 people wrote about him and 42 wrote about Jesus". What's that supposed to prove? Harry Potter books are more popular than a biography of Abraham Lincoln. Which of them was real though?
It's one argument, an argument for the historicity of the space-time individual known as Jesus. And it's not meant to "prove" anything. To prove means to show it cannot be another way. Rather, a great deal of evidence pointing to the historicity of an individual lends credence to the idea that that person existed. Harry Potter is fiction and is classified as fiction. The author, J.K. Rowling, even says it's fiction. The New Testament Gospels are written as non-fiction and first person / eye-witness reportage. So we have to read a document taking into consideration its literary genre. That helps determine whether a document from antiquity is myth, fable, narrative, etc.
@@nabukwe There was no such thing as "literary genre" in ancient literature. Writers rolled in stories, myths and fables with historically true material. That's why places like Nazareth and Bethlehem are mentioned. It's also why real historical figures like Herod the Great and Pontius Pilate are mentioned. There is NO "first person/eye witness" reportage in the gospels. There does not exist one scrap of testimony from anyone who ever knew Jesus. This does not prove that he did not exist of course. But to believe that the Jesus of the gospels is an accurate representation of the historical figure that we know next to nothing about is a faith based position, not one based on history.
No no. That's a completely different argument. You went from amount of manuscript evidence, people writing about this person, to how popular the person was. Also, there's no claim that Harry Potter was or is a real person.
@@Malhaloc Okay, so let me put it this way. There is more written about King Arthur than about any actual king of ancient Britain. Does that mean King Arthur existed? There's more written about Sherlock Holmes than any real detective. Did Sherlock Holmes exist? There is more written about Robin Hood than any other known outlaw in medieval England. It still doesn't mean Robin Hood existed. In the case of King Arthur and Robin Hood, people did really believe they existed. Now, let's take a real figure from the past. The infamous Victorian serial killer, Jack the Ripper. He was real. He killed at least five women. But in the hundred and thirty odd years since he was around, numerous fictional accounts of his deeds have been written. They are all based on the real killer. But few, if any, accounts really tell us anything about him. Same goes for Jesus. I am not saying he didn't exist. I am saying that the gospels can in no way be considered a reliable account of his life. Especially when they include stories of miracles and a resurrection
Arguments built on sand. There is no evidence for either the existence or non existence of god. It is illogical to assume therefor that a god exists. All we can say with any degree of certainly is that we don't know. And which god, among the many thousands, would that be? Any argument that follows is an exercise in futility and pointless.
What’s more is that the same applies to aliens, unicorns, Bigfoot, Santa Claus etc etc… but everyone’s usually fine just saying those things don’t exist.
@@shelbyvillerules9962 It is far, far, more likely they exist than god. Which god I wonder as well. There are so many that followers profess to be the only one.
To say you are certain you can't say for sure is to claim knowledge about how much knowledge a person can obtain. But the claim could be applied to itself (as knowledge) and you should say you don't know for certain if your statement could be true...and apply that to itself ending in an infinite regress and logical inconsistency. To make such a logical sounding claim you need to abandon logic.
@@peterberr3888 Yawn 😴 no one claims "certainty " It's about logical reasoning. The time to believe in something is when sufficient evidence to warrant belief has been presented not before. Which is the better system, to rely upon EVIDENCE to reach one's conclusions about reality or to insert " magic " into any percieved gap in scientific knowledge and just assert this is the explanation? The supernatural must first be shown to be a " possibility " before it can be used as an explanation. Also Athiesm is not necessarily even the claim that god does not exist , but rather its about being unconvinced by the evidence provided saying he does To use a courtroom analogy . You the prosecution accuse god of of being guilty of Existing I the jury find him not guilty of existing ( because of lack of evidence) that DOES NOT MEAN I definitely know he is INNOCENT of existing. Merely that you have not provided enough evidence to prove him guilty ,,,, ,,, I find god not guilty of , existing
@@trumpbellend6717 ..do not yawn, you give the appearance of a foolish boor. Your friend said he is certain that the best course is agnosticism. I pointed out that he is not agnostic enough. He should carry scepticism all the way and say he is not certain of anything including his own scepticism; which leads to irrationality. You are mixing up scepticism and rationality, ie. belief forming on the basis of evidence. In a courtroom, the evidence consists of data/observations/measurements AND an argument/theory/story to elaborate and tie the observations together in a logical manner. We all see the same data, it appears you just have not heard a convincing argument and so believe the evidence is lacking. It is there, just that you are not swayed by the arguments you have heard. Your definition of atheism is too soft, you should be a true atheist like Nietzsche and fully affirm there are no gods, else you are just a confident (and ultimately irrational) agnostic like your friend above.
If you say fire doesn’t burn human flesh than you are a scoffer and a non believer. Fire does burn and you know it does. It always has and it always will. Don’t be simple.
@@GraftedOliveBranch Really? And in what scientific journal can I read about this forensic proof that the shroud was the burial cloth of this supposed Jesus. Hell, go ahead and provide the title, author(s), and year of publication so I can locate this study. I look forward to reading it.
@@theoskeptomai2535 "The Evidence of the Shroud" by Ian Wilson... Read it for yourself (if you have enough time between your habitual trolling) it's truly fascinating stuff.
These students are so closed to reality I pray & hope that their eyes are opened, otherwise they will just be lost souls to Satan’s regime, Jesus Christ the way the truth the life ❤️
@@godislove363 By simply asking a straightforward question, you will label me a troll instead of answering the question. Rather juvenile and pathetic. Would you agree? Why don't you join the discussion as an adult instead of casting baseless assertions like a petulant child. Time to grow up Jacob and argue your case.
@@theoskeptomai2535 I answered you again this morning and again it's gone nothing to you but I didn't avoid your question I haven't avoided your questions before you're the one who lies and deletes the rest goodbye.
I like how he poses when someone ask him a questions 😂
Hes getting in the moment.
Being a Christian does not hinder individuality or free thinking. God literally gifted us with the ability to think freely. There are many parts of The Body of Christ and they are are very different. They all do very different things but they are all of The Body of Christ.
Yes your right in a sense but remember God has given us his word his revelation and his infallible word is authority in the life of a Christian so all Christians are defined by what God has spoken and said in his word so remember every human being is different but the body of Christ is defined, the Christians life, morals, values, beliefs, are defined by the word of God and if someone goes against the word of God or teaches and believes something that God said isn’t true or that isn’t in the Bible then they aren’t of God unless they repent and turn to the truth remember truth has been truth since the dawn of time and it will be truth until the end of time and beyond truth will never be false and all truth is found in the word of God I hope you have a blessed day my brother in Christ I’ll keep you in my prayers
How did you come to any of those conclusions?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Who are you asking, me or Speedy?
@@johronok4067 You.
@@theoskeptomai2535 God gave us the gift of freedom of thought and action. God gave us all the gift of diversity, for what a boring world it would be if we all sang, danced, looked, or thought exactly like each other.
I came to these conclusions by using the wonderful gift of a freely thinking mind that was given to me by God. If you truly love something then you set it free, you allow that something to make its own choices. God wants us to know Him and to put God first always but God loves us enough to allow us to choose, even if it means denying Him.
Its a beautiful thing to see someone called and equipped to talk to young people the way Cliffe does. I know he would say its the Holy Spirit..and I would agree.
To God be the Glory for working thru His creation. Amen.
@@LookOutForNumberOne feeling convicted?
@@LookOutForNumberOne so feeling convicted AND defensive. Classic.
You're not alone..we all took that route.
Been there done that.
Ok so continue running from God...run run run. Its not really God chasing you..its the guilt of sin..but by all means run till you're exhausted. He'll wait.
Watching from Thailand
Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour
How did you come to conclude that this Jesus ever existed?
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The evidence
@@boonboon5448 Well explained everything. Thanks for such a complete and thoroug explanation.
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Your quite welcome..
My own experiences started with a argument. This Flat earther told me to respond to some questions.
And 3 weeks later. My eyes were opened. And i know we live on a flat Earth. From there. I wanted to figure out what else is a lie.
Long story short. God sent his only begotten son. To die on a cross 2000 yrs ago. And he took upon himself all the sin's of mankind.
He was buried. And rose again 3 days later. In fulfillment of scriptures.
Was seen by 500 people.
He sent the Holy Spirit to anyone who would trust upon the Death Burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
And i have eternal life because of the finished work on the Cross.
Hope that helps bro..
Bye the way. I believe this VAX is the Mark of the Beast. Because it's nanotechnology dot's changes our DNA.
@@boonboon5448 Have fun splashing around in the deep end of your pool of delusions. Peace.
“What’s the evidence that your view of reality is correct/right?” ..that’s the right question to ask at anytime👍🏾
"What's the Evidence that proves Cliffe Knuckledragger is a Bullshit Artist?" This Video/Audio.
What's the evidence that view of soft atheism is right? The evidence is that there are no good evidence for existence of God.
What's the evidence that view of hard atheism is right? The evidence is, if we're talking about God's supposed revelations, that God didn't reveal himself in such way that would be understandable to everyone; God didn't do good job in proving himself. Proof for that is that Cliffe needs to prove God, instead of God proving himself.
@@goranmilic442 "The evidence is that there are no good evidence for existence of God."
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How r u going to explain everything around you? how r u going to explain existence without ultimately undermining the credibility of your theory?
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"The evidence is, if we're talking about God's supposed revelations, that God didn't reveal himself in such way that would be understandable to everyone; God didn't do good job in proving himself."
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The Bible is right there mate, u just need to take it up and read it. God has given you the free will to choose for yourself. the proof is there, ur research is what's missing.
@@justindesouza977 It's impossible for humanity to explain existence of universe, since people are unable to explore what caused universe to expand. Can we agree on that? If we agree, then how does human's lack of ability to explain something prove God? I ask for good evidence for God, I didn't ask can humans explain universe or not.
I read the Bible, many atheists (and people from religions other than Christianity) have read the Bible and found it isn't good evidence nor proof for God. Which shows my claim is true, God's supposed revelation isn't good enough to prove God's existence to everyone.
@@goranmilic442 " It's impossible for humanity to explain existence of universe, since people are unable to explore what caused universe to expand. Can we agree on that? If we agree, then how does human's lack of ability to explain something prove God?"
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Cause the lack of ability to explain an event with nature suggests that the event is supernatural- by definition. The existence of the universe can either be:-
a) created by the Supernatural
b) created by nature
the latter would put forth a list of problems, 1. it suggests Nature created Nature, which doesn't even answer the question
2. suggests everything was random, and thus, an accident, and thus, our existence is an accident, and thus, our thought process is an accident, which undermines the credibility of the theory itself.
Thus, the only explanation left is that a Supernatural created existence.
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And many aethiests I know have read and STUDIED the Bible and find it convincing evidence and proof for the existence of God.
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Also, "Proof for the existence of God" is quite a laughable approach. The entire concept of God is that He is supernatural and exists beyond our human nature by definition. How do you find it competent to restrict a Supernatural's existence to your natural thought process, when He is defined to be above your thought process?
Remember this doesn't apply to your claim because your claim relies on Nature only, and thus, you need to explain everything with Nature. I don't, because my claim relies on the existence of Supernatural.
For a fact, humans have limited knowledge. We have a realm where we know everything, and we have a realm ofwhich we know absolutely nothing about. And we have the inbetween, that links these 2 realms, and that's the Bible and whatever God reveals to us.
It is refreshing to see a good sized group of people sitting on the steps listening to these debates. That's what a genuine education looks like.
Cliffe your presence offers all these children a father figure and talking about Jesus Christ my heart goes out to you and I thank you Jesus for you Cliffe. How many who listen come from stable to broken families that need to hear the gospel coming from you Cliffe you are the ideal.
These videos are so encouraging. Thank you Cliffe and Stuart, I can’t wait to meet you one day
11:07 "I'm of the belief that no document can be historically reliable, especially text" So why are you paying tuition and buying textbooks?
Well said.
Are you submitting your comment as evidence supporting the historicity of Jesus?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Yes
@@jesussaves2856 Well, it's not evidence. It is a _non sequitur_ argument, which you probably haven't a clue that this a known formal fallacy.
Can i answer? Pull my Finger, is why.
okay that was wholesome, two people introducing themselves (assuming they are both christians) during a small debate and looking happy and excited about it in the background 😢
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You're right that was cute
These types of talks are 100 times better than comment section debates😂
God bless you Cliffe, i hope i will have the chance to talk to you face to face at least once in my life. I can't wait to see more videos from you 💜
Poor old Cliffe wasted all those years on campus and still hasn't learnt a thing
@@doctr7147 I know right. Most of these kids will never understand. God is real and more loving than they think. And they are willing to trust only themselves and risk being in hell for eternity just because they don't want to look at the facts.
@@The-Azure-Knight do you think you that will you understand ? Do you think you are any different ..the answer my friend is not blowing in the wind !
@@doctr7147 That was hard to read. I believe I'm very different from other's and see the bigger picture. I don't believe that we all just exist. And based on the evidence of DNA God is real.
@@The-Azure-Knight the question at play is not whether God exists ..only ones that dont know themselves will think God doesn't exist ..but the real question at hand is who god ..which is faith is correct and judging on what I've read from what you have written to me with your responses .. You are incorrect ...but that's your problem not mine ..I don't really blame you entirely . I blame your ancestors but you have the responsibility to yourself to seek out the truth which you stubbornly don't because for whatever reasons ..perhaps because it suits your way of living / life ..but I'm in no mood or have an interest in coercing you into the truth / right path when it comes to matters of faith / religion as I am not responsible for you
Very factual.
Very polite.
Very stern.
And above all. Very respectful.
Subsribed
I watch this stuff every night before bed, thanks for your work, Cliffe!
Cliffe always does a great job at pointing out the truth.
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Good to see you brother.
Truth is one thing that we as a human race have a hard time conceiving let alone practice.
Either way Ryan time for me to crash I got to be up in 5 hours, so God bless. Be safe.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416there is a Christian on here who's giving Christians a really bad name on a different spread ice twice spoke with him second time I had to tell him off finger accusatory when she doesn't even know me he doesn't know my position on things he assumes things on me I'm stating this St Paul for everyone to read on every thread where I may leave this I don't care if you're an atheist a Christian and agnostic or anyting you do not do that with people you know what you're talking about first. I know you don't like to get involved and doctrinal matters and I don't want you to either but if you see this Christian on these threads doing what he did with me please correct him stand up to him so that he will know that just like we say The Atheist around here but not going to be allowed to act that way.
Lol no he doesn't. Preaching isn't debating
This man speaks the truth in love.
What do the following verses suggest to you, for Jesus is saying that his return to earth will happen in the generation of the people to whom he is speaking? Yet, this never happened. Then Apostle Peter said that the prophecy of Joel was currently being fulfilled. This also never happened. So what are we to conclude? Deuteronomy 18:21-22.
Matthew 16:27-28
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 13:24-30
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Matthew 24:29-35
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 10:19-23
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Acts 2:14-20
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
Deuteronomy 18:21-22
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Definition of generation:
all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.
@@mariobethell3731 The Bible defines a generation as 70-80 years. The fig tree represents Israel. Many, myself included, believe the fig tree coming to fruition is Israel becoming an independent nation, which happened in 1948. We believe that that marked the last generation. In other words, if we are correct, Jesus' return would be some time in 2028 or 2029. If you back off 7 years for the tribulation, that leaves a 2021 (obviously didn't happen) or 2022 rapture. It's very possible we will see the rapture by May 14th (the anniversary of Israel) this year. If not, then then next earliest theory is for some time in 2023 (the anniversary of Israel's government being established).
There are a lot of prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled and Jesus promises to come back and fulfill them.
A true warrior of Christ.
I hope I get the chance to meet you someday cliffe. You have had a great impact on my life and I’m grateful that God lead me to you and your knowledge. Keep preaching brother
Thankyou .Cliff, you are an expert debater for the truth to those who are in darkness.I know that you are a god servant of God. Surely, Jesus will say to you (Well done, good & faithfull servant, you were faithfull over a few things,I will make you the ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord).
Love Cliffs’ logical approach
God bless you Cliffe ❤️
This guy would be an amazing attorney lol
He thinks he is an "Amazing" Bullshit Artist. Maybe, next Year.
The third guy confused himself in the first 2 minutes 🤣
Oh boy that kid just made me 😂 i love these encounters God bless you all ❤️
Cliffe is great in this video ! Thank you for all the time spent on trying to educate our youth.
Hey Cliff, thank you for your commitment to truth. You've been such a big influence on me that I've started a channel of my own "Christopher Boorman Speaks". God bless you!
Dont give up on your channel.
At the end of these discussions, I have come to this conclusion that many of these students are not but bad excuse-makers. Just listen to how they go around in circles and ugh, ugh, ugh their way throughout the conversation.
Cliffe, your videos are informative, entertaining, and instructive.
I hope that someday God's plan for me is to become someone like you.
May God bless you and your ministry, and may He bring you to even greater heights, and help you reach more people.
Cliffe is fighting the good fight against all the mis and dis information seeded in our education system. Go Cliffe!
Cliffe the Destroyer !!! 👌👌👌
"Destroyer" (You Misspelled "Bullshit Artist") You, are welcome.
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I Have to admire this man's patience.
The evidence points to the fact that the findings of the Dead Sea scrolls proved that the scribes were accurately recording down what was earlier written, with astounding accuracy.
Bingo!
Can you site this source.
@@hatersgotohell627 try looking into the Great Isaiah scroll first. It clearly provides evidence that the scribes were copying the scriptures accurately for over 1000 years alone.
I don't know about that because there are scholars like Dr. Richard Carrier, Dr. Robert Price and Dr. Bart Erhmam who say there are more errors in the manuscripts than there are manuscripts. I think there are more than 5,500 manuscripts.
@@BiblicalTeachings "T Evangelist" (You misspelled: "The BullshitArtist")
14:50 people ask this question first thing that comes to my head is the Shroud of Turin surprised that cliff didn't mention it
Have you no idea of the many ways this has been debunked ?? ( even by the church ) that's WHY they hold no official position on its authenticity one way or the other.
I @trumpbellend6717 never debunked they still say to this day its is authentic
Student: Is there any physical evidence from that time period?
Cliffe: Yes, there's many examples of evidence. *provides some*
Student: Well physical evidence doesn't prove the events happened.
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Reminds me of a favorite quote of mine...
“To give truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation.”
_-George McDonald (1824-1905), Scottish author, poet, and Christian minister_
Brings to mind some of the resident trolls of this very channel!
🤣Every time!
@@jessebryant9233 ive never read that quote before. Quite insightful. Thanks for sharing!
Cliff never gave any physical evidence. He tried to throw up a smoke screen about archaeologists discovering Nazareth and Bethlehem. None of that proves Jesus existed or was god. London exists but does Sherlock Holmes?
@@jessebryant9233 Truth has to be proven
Really nice, sensible discussions.
24:15 - 26:35 I would love to hear more from this. Better yet post the full unedited convos please!
The videos are edited out of about 3-5 hours of video. The 30 min episodes are turned into TV shows that are aired in New England, Australia, New Zealand and parts of Europe. I'm sure the guy who does the editing puts together the videos in such a way that, in 28 min, you get some good stuff.
@@nabukwe Cool. Thanks for the info. I would actually pay money for those 3-5 hour videos! lol
@@nabukwe You do not get any "Good" Bullshit Artwork, from "Cliffe", regardless.
All I can say is Wow! God bless your ministry
😄 Seems like athiests "pray" that the Bible would not be true and reliable. They are so determined and full of purpose and motivation. I give thanks to the Lord that we were all given a conscience!!!!
Pray is one thing we *dont* do my friend. What does your conscience say about all the butchery and slaughter in the Bible on God's command?
Amen, God's proud of you and bonnie(tom) will never care.
Do you think I, an atheist, _choose_ not to believe the claims made in the Bible? Do you think I desire the claims to be unsubstantiated?
@@theoskeptomai2535 could not agree more , belief is not a "choice" you are either convinced or you are unconvinced and it's EVIDENCE that convinces. I could not just make myself believe in fairies at the bottom of my garden because it promises me some benefit, no matter how much I closed my eyes and stamped my feet. 😁
@@bonnie43uk Is slaughter absolutely wrong Bonnie? 😂
Cliffe, could you be absolutely convinced of something that turns out to be totally wrong?
Believers help nonbelievers understand they are a sinner in need of a Savior. God’s word works because of the Holy Spirit, not our imperfect way of explaining, plant seeds. Be confident in God's Word.
🕊 1 Peter 3:15
👑 1 Corinthians 15
And as Paul did, when he went to the Jews, he went as a Jew. When he went to a gentile, he went as a gentile.
It’s not a game of LARPING, rather understanding their ways, and explain the gospel in a way they will understand, to bring them to the full light of scripture.
Babies are given the milk; when you are no longer a babe, you are given the meat.
How did you come to conclude that I am a sinner in need of a savior?
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By the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit.🕊
@@NewCreationInChrist896 Wow. That was an evasive response. You could use those exact words to avoid any question. Nonsense covers anything, eh?
@@NewCreationInChrist896 nicely sad but I'm sure you remember that Theo is a troll and a master of his own mind.
Praise God for your boldness
Man cliffe was on fire this episode
An archeologist used the bible to find cities and places that he couldn't find for years. He became a Christian
Do you think that if I show a future archeologist a video of New York york he should also conclude that king kong must have really existed ?? 😜
@@trumpbellend6717 no. One proves truthful and one proves baloney
@@svfox A bit harsh I woulnt quite call christianity " baloney " then again no maybe your right , christianity IS baloney
@@svfoxyeah I'm good with baloney, I mean just who would believe that a god decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ???????
☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔
Don't reply to these bots.
The marriage car wreck mangling part was deeply convicting for me. Please pray for me.
The quietly spoken student at about 18:00 mins gave an excellent response to how we don't need some type of external moral law giver for a given society to thrive and survive, we're more than capable as a species to figure out for ourselves what works and what doesn't work. We modify our morals over time, eg: why did people stop stoning adulterers, despite what the Bible clearly states : Leviticus (20:10-12) which reads: "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, even with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and adulteress must be put to death.
Any rational moral person living in the 21st century would be appalled by such an action. Was God right or wrong in commanding us to stone adulterers to death?
The only reason you think we can get fine without God is because you live right now, where Godlessness hasn't reached its peak yet and things seem to be still relatively fine, yet if you would know where this world is heading and what will happen when Godlessness will become rampant, you would be horrified and would run to God asap.
@@nikokapanen82 Hi Niko, the world has always been in flux. In relative terms you may be shocked to learn that the population today, in general, is more peaceful and prosperous than at anytime in the past for the majority of us. If you think thats wrong, name me a time in the past when things were better for the common man? 500 years ago, 1000?, 5000? 50 years ago.? You are absolutely right to suggest that the planet is heading for some really tough times. I am well aware of that.
We have a weekly tv news report show on channel 4 here in the UK called "Unreported world", each week they highlight parts of the globe that are experiencing terrible things, it's truly heartbreaking to watch. You can TH-cam "unreported world" and see for yourself. But there has never been a time in human history when those terrible things weren't happening. If and when you pray to Jesus Niko, does he actively intervene and improve their situations?
Yes he was. You seem to not look into context sometimes Tom. The context historically is there was no cops, no prisons, no jails. Every crime had to be handled by the family or people themselves. These were so harsh because they're made as a deterrent and because of the above facts. You try to make excuses not to follow God but the only thing you're going to get is hell for eternity. th-cam.com/video/I5gv-V9axtg/w-d-xo.html
@@nikokapanen82 Most European countries have very high rates of non-belief. They also have very low rates of crime and the highest standards of living. What does that tell you?
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Yes, i live in such a European country, Finland, where you have mostly middle class living, very good social security, free universal healthcare, basically no homelessness and even the prisons are more a rehabilitation centers than punishment facilities and i can assure you that all this well being is in great part the result of a deeply rooted message of the Gospel since Luther times into the fabric of people's behavior and governing authorities. Up to 90% of the population has a great respect to the law enforcement and that is because majority of people's hearts are rooted on respecting the law and order, who are willing to pay high taxes just to have such virtues in the country.
Never before in the world, was such message heard as taking care of others, who are not even your close relatives, only with Jesus this message was preaches and welcomed in all Nordic countries and it was welcomed to such a degree that even the flags has a cross on them. So what Finland and other Nordic countries are doing, where they take good care of the poor and the needy is in direct relation to the Gospel.
It is true that in the last couple of decades, people are beginning to lose their faith in God in masses, it is happening very rapidly and where will it lead to... You cannot believe right now.
Excellent
The agnostic cannot account for his reasoning, therefore he does not have the preconditions for intelligibility.
Without a common framework for moral claims, which constitutes much of what people talk about, there is little foundation for communication to have meaning. Agnosticism lacks that common framework.
Oh, come on guys... I mean, in the words of Joel Osteen, "I-I-I don't know..." 🤣🤣🤣
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 ask Jakal, as 6 did not exist before us.
What exactly are "preconditions for intelligibility"? Can you provide an example?
@@theoskeptomai2535 being able to make sense of reality.
Being able to justify your reasoning (metalogic), the laws of logic (non-contradiction, excluded middle, law of identity), the laws of mathematics, the principle of induction (that tomorrow will be like today - the uniformity of nature in a random chance, chaotic universe), objective moral truths, the reliability of sense perception.
On the subject. Of the text, the oral tradition of the people involved was to know the material and hear the scrolls at the synogogue.
They committed the information to memory and corrected each other. They went on the Sabbath to hear it read to them just the same as before.
When those first century gospels were written and copied into other languages, the same kind of people with the same kind of careful reverence wrote and kept and copied the info as accurately as they could. Some of the writings of this type show evidence of embellishment and error. This is why they're non canonical and we have the four surviving gospels.
Veritas forum us a good place to hear scholars speak about having viewed the evidence and having the education to read and verify what survived In antiquity.
I think it's so great that people value the truth at such a high level. They devote time and attention to preservation and discussion of the truth.
Other people spend their lives trying to make up their own god instead of the living God. They want their sins and crime to be ok and acceptable.
That's how this subject is constantly being discussed, it always has and may always be compelling.
Satan hates you..Jesus loves you...it's that simple.
So is Satan the enemy of God? Is he a rebellious fallen angel? Is he unholy?
@@skwozies3083 YES.
I suppose you haven't a single _evidentiary fact_ to present that could substantiate the existence of either this Satan or Jesus. Am I right?
@@godislove363 OK, so let us look at the mentions of HaSatan (Satan) in the Jewish Tanakh. What does it tell us about this Angel (Malakh or Messenger)? First, when Elohim made everything he said It is good. He did not say, it is good except that Satan fellow. Christianity teaches that we cannot master sin but What does Genesis 4:7 say? "If you do what is right will you not be accepted? But if you do not then sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is to have you, but you can master over it." This is absurd in the Christian tradition. In Christian theology man is a slave to sin John 8:34. We cannot stop sinning without Jesus in the Christian Faith. Next let us Go to Numbers 22. Here we get a deeper understanding of what HaSatan is. He is Sent by Hashem and stands in the path blocking Balaam and his donkey. It calls him here Malakh Yahwey an Angel of the Lord. So this HaSatan is an Angel of Hashem who stands in the way or as an adversary to man. In the Jewish Tradition it is to provide free will to man. As such HaSatan is not the enemy of God, only one who provides temptation for Man. On the Contrary, the Jewish view of HaSatan is that he is a servant of Hashem and only does his will. But let us Look at another of the Bibles Oldest texts, the book of Job, to try and understand this figure. HaSatan goes before the presence of Hashem (which nothing unholy was allowed in Hashems Presence). HaSatan and Hashem discuss Job and his righteousness. Hashem gives certain commands to HaSatan and HaSatan strictly obeys his commands. I find that a peculiar rebellious angel who only is obedient to every last word of Hashem. Not in any point did he rebel here but was rather obedient and since in the Christian conception he is unholy then How is Satan in the Presence of the Divine which Torah teaches us clearly that the Unclean and unholy cannot be allowed in his Presence. Or again, we see in one Story that God moved David to count the people (which is strictly forbidden by Torah in Numbers), and in another version of the same story Satan moved David to count the people. Who did it? Was it God or Satan? This is a problem for the Christian conception of Satan. However if we are to understand the Jewish conception then it is easy to understand. God working through Satan tempted David. Oh but God cannot be tempted nor does he tempt people. That is what your New Testament says, sure. But Let us not forget it also says God does not lie yet we see in Tanakh that God sends a lying spirit into the mouth of his prophets. Again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, over, and over, and over, and over, etc... we see a very reoccurring theme. The New Testament does not line up with Tanakh. HaSatan in Tanakh is not a rebellious angel but one who is obedient, He is not the Enemy of God but the Adversary of Man providing temptation, is not fallen but remains in the presence of Hashem, is not unholy (as he could not enter Gods Presence) but rather is capable of entering the presence of the Holy one. The question you should really ask yourself is why does my bible fly in the face of what the church teaches me? They cannot both be true, either the bible is false or the church is lying to you. I have given you chapter and verse figure it out for yourself. Either you obey the Scriptures or you obey the church, your choice.
@@skwozies3083 because you again have not paid attention to what I have said in the past very recently then I will not reply to this because if you cannot respectfully understand what I said and you know nothing about me and how dare you judge me you don't know what I follow you don't know what I know a lot of what you said is inconsistent you don't know God's word if you're going to state that you may have some knowledge you may have some of that book and she mentioned I only want to color your color because I'm only going to speak at the Holy Bible get itself have the 66 books I mentioned God is consistent I'm not disagreeing I'll tell me what you said because actually I do take the Bible and God's word before ever take the church but once again. Just shows that you don't pay attention and you assume on me that I think the church or the gods over the Bible or God's work and that's not so.
Cliffe is such a good debater, and educated on the topics he talks about that he needs to take on people of his own level. Matt Dillahunty has been an excellent contender and I'd really like to see more videos of them going back and forth.
Cliff is only impressive if you already believe what he spouts "face palm"
Or if you don't presume that any argument he makes is false because it's not what you believe.
Cliff believes the _"doctrine of biblical inerrancy"_ which says everything in the Bible is true without errors or contradictions. So 👉in Cliff's mind👈 Biblical assertions are proven facts. However, 👉in reality👈 they are just assertions.
@@lloydtucker5647 well, he definitely adheres to no contradictions. But he also doesn't treat the Bible as all history. As for inerrancy, he holds to the idea that the only thing that matters is Jesus rising from the dead. If that's true, who cares about the rest?
@@Malhaloc
There is an _"A and Non-A Can Not Both Be True In The Same Place At The Same Time"_ problem *after* the Baptism of Jesus. According to all four gospels, a sequence of events happened where John the baptizer announces Jesus saying _"behold the lamb of God."_ There was a voice from heaven saying _"this is my beloved son, etc, etc...."_ and The Holy Spirit descended like a dove.
According to Matthew, Mark, and Luke, immediately after being baptized Jesus went into the wilderness for the next forty days. According to John's gospel, Jesus never went into the wilderness. Instead, Jesus was calling disciples to build his ministry the day after his baptism.
@@lloydtucker5647 these are old arguments that have been debunked but you choose to still follow or this not true there's no contradiction in God's word none can't find it because I don't exist if you don't understand how writing Works in different styles of different people with Cliffs even discussed when you don't understand any form of writing from any other author.
The kid's right. There's nothing in heaven or earth that would ever convince Cliff he's wrong, no matter how compelling.
Cliffe isn't out there to stroke his own ego and prove everyone he's right, he's saying Jesus is right, and no matter how compelling someone's theory is; doesn't compare to the reliability of Jesus. And cliffe always asks, and it's a point that I agree with: if you aren't living for Jesus, what is it that you've put your faith in and live for, and what's the evidence that's it's true? Compelling or not, truth exists.
Cliffe is very good at preaching deceivingly. Listen very carefully to how he demonstrably lures you into false dichotomies, find out what he conveniently omits saying. How he misrepresents people, positions, methods,... a true master of manipulating words.
Seriously write it down. Investigate. Watch his debates. Think for yourself... don't believe me...
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@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 that is a very good observation my friend.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I am so into your head.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 careful, every comment makes him more like Tom every day.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Still waiting for those 13 evidentiary facts. Been caught in another lie, have you now? You never have and never will introduce even one evidentiary fact that substantiates your claim. You simply can't and won't defend your position. At least my position is defensible. So you settle for last place and follow me round taking pot shots at me because you're too much of a coward to argue your position. Now go find your sycophant girlfriends and cast your insults indirectly like the cowards all of have demonstrated to be.
7:36 Yep. That typical jock attitude. "it does not matter what I do. But, it matters what you do."
That "red-pilled" mentality. "a master key that opens multiple locks is better than one key that opens only one lock"
That mentality irks me to my core! Hypocrite!
Skip the "A" and "Non-A" argument and ask the Biblical God to make an appearance instead of playing hide and seek.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I rather play dodgeball.
I Left a different message but it was deleted.
Um, He has.
@@billyholly I'm sure in your head he (god) has made an appearance billy, but the reality is, as far as we atheists can see, he only exists in your mind.. and your version of God is very subjective and personal to each and every Christian. Would you agree with me that your Christian God evades the 5 human senses? Hope you're doing well my friend 😍
@@bonnie43uk I will get to your question soon because I want to know how YOU have been. You didn't respond to my last question during our last thread discussion and I was concerned. Have you been OK?
I love your discussions but to often just when the conversation leaves the deep philosophical aspects and starts to get to the practicalities in answering the questions the segment abruptly ends. The nitty gritty is just about to be revealed then BAM the vids on to the next person. I like the philosophical but the practical application just as much. Thanks for sharing.
"You have faith in agnosticism"
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Is Cliffe really this ignorant?
With respect to the question: "what physical evidence do we have of the Gospel?" there are many fragments of the True Cross that have been faithfully guarded since St. Elena's visit to the Holy Land in the 4th century. In the Sainte Chapel of Paris there is the crown of thorns worn by Our Lord, that St. Louis, King of France, brought back from the Crusades. In the cathedral of Valencia, Spain, there is what many believe to be the Holy Grail of the Last Supper. That's just a few of the most significant relics.
But the most astonishing object of all, often called "the fifth Gospel", is the holy shroud of Turin. It tells us a detailed story of Our Lord's Passion, death and resurrection.
Did you know in jewish tradition when someone died , the head was wrapped in a different cloth then the body , so you have two pieces not one , GOD BLESS
@@gordo191 Yes, I did know that. That is why the holy shroud of Turin is the large cloth that wrapped Our Lord's body. In the cathedral of Oviedo, Spain, there is a relic called the Sudarium, which many claim is precisely the cloth you mentioned. Blessings +++
Wow! 4-hours later and the only resident trolls to make their appearance so far are, of course, BONNIEUK43, and the JACKAL'S GATE. I'm sure THEO SKEPTOMAI and the others will be along shortly... This vid of course is all about Bonnie, but Bonnie won't listen or learn or 'question his own mindset', and yet he shows up here religiously-vid after vid, week after week, year after year-starting every single comment the same way he always has. God haters cannot be reasoned with. (Proverbs 1... as well as Romans 1:18-22)
Jason has not been around.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 you know what they say about the definition of insanity.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 just as Jackal is demonstrating.
I occasionally come here to see their responses, like today for ex., hoping they have changed, but no, its always the same nonsense.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 exactly, like Jesse said it, and Bible does also "always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth"
It would be nice to include when this was filmed.
God bless you 🙏🏾
Jesus is Lord! this is a great episode, thanks cliffe
I would love to sit under you as a professor.
It’s as if CS Lewis came back to life and now calls himself Cliffs. Well done.
Is there somewhere that I can find the entire conversations? I'm a little irked at only hearing snippets with no resolution.
You know when Cliffe hits the power squat he’s finna drop some knowledge
Mannn…. Ichabod Crane here is blowing my mind
Thank you!
I wish the historical evidence was preached more in a day where skepticism is heavily accepted
Interesting comment. Can you elaborate upon it?
Preach🙌🏾🙏🏾
Stuart may I know what if a Christian commit unpardonable sin and repented and asked forgiveness will he or she be forgiven
Of all positions, agnosticism is definitely NOT a faith position as it is the "I don't know"- position.
Thank You
Where does the Shroud of Turin stand as a piece of evidence?
Probably a real piece of burial cloth, but the features of the person showed on it are of someone of Caucasian descent. Very unlikely that it was Jesus.
The Shroud of Turin is evidence that theists haven't any evidentiary facts to substantiate their claim that a god exists and have to produce fraudulent artifacts to fill that void.
Frank Turek has an interesting response: th-cam.com/video/7WXZg_OfpF8/w-d-xo.html As for myself, I don't really care. It doesn't affect my evidence or understanding of God. If anything, it's a distraction for nonbelievers.
@@theoskeptomai2535 If what you wrote were true, then the shroud could be reproduced by others today. It can't. I don't pay any attention to the shroud.
@@billyholly at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if it's authentic or not. Let's say that a study came out that proved 100% certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt that the shroud contains the image of Jesus Christ and the image could only have been caused by the resurrection, do you really think that would convince people its true? Or would they come up with another reason not to believe? People literally saw Jesus perform miracles and called him a fake. Evidence isn't the problem, they don't want it to be true. Like Jordan Peterson said, the implications are too great.
Shalom and many blessings to you all. Jesus Christ is God's Son and Broke Time Itself. So therefore think on it and use the Soul. There is no Good or Bad it is the thought that makes it so. As I walk this path of peace and love I hope it is yours as well. God bless you all my brothers and sisters in God's hands. Peace be with you all.
Where does he do these Q&A’s at?
if people can`t or don`t want control themselves before marriage, why should there be any difference when people get married.
That's a loaded question you might want to think about all the different cancers you would receive you want to have a discussion on it let me know and I'm not even saying I necessarily disagree with you I'm just saying that's a very loaded statement you made.
God is good 🙏🏼
Thanks!
Is this a new video? Because it seems like it and not a reupload
This is an older video, i was it in 2016 and it was older than that.
its new if you have never seen it .
@@cameroneagle4370 can't argue with that logic
It's about 2010-ish.
One thing i seen in one of Cliffe's other videos where he actually contradicts the Bible is where he said that the earth could possibly be billions of years old, and that the genealogies in Genesis could mean grandsons and great grandsons. That is literally against what the Bible clearly teaches. Genesis 10 clearly states each man and his son and the age that he was when he begat his son. It is very literal. Jesus Christ said Adam and Eve were the beginning. Evolution would put death before sin, but the Bible clearly states sin brought death into the world. Man is appointed 7000 years. A day with the Lord is as a thousand years, 1000 years as one day. In 6 days God created earth and heaven and everything in it. On the 7th day He rested. If the ages in the Bible add up to 4000 years until the Lord Jesus Christ, plus the 2000 years since the Lord Jesus Christ, equals 6000 years, and 1000 years for the millennial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ's return to the earth and destroys the antichrist. After the millennial reign, this heaven and earth, death and hell, are cast into the lake of fire and perish, and the new heaven and new earth come down as a bride adorned for her husband. 7 is the number for completion, 7000 years, 8 is the number for new beginnings, 8000th year. Man lived with dinosaurs. Fossils are evidence of the flood and proof for God's judgment. Reptiles don't stop growing, the climate and conditions in the earth were much more different before the flood. So if man and everything is living for 900 years how big could they get? There are still dinosaurs in some remote areas today. What do you think loch ness monster is?
KJV Proverbs 30:5
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Movie quote time!
*Jane Aubrey:* What if my face was all scraped off and I was totally disfigured and had no arms and legs and I was completely paralyzed. Would you still love me?
*Billy Chapel:* No. But we could still be friends.
_-Kellie Preston & Kevin Costner, For Love of the Game_
Sadly some/most are that way, I would not be.
LOL 🤣... Hilarious.
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That is true, my brother.
@@GraftedOliveBranch yes and God is Love.
@@godislove363
Yeah, but both of us are messed up already. We are the ugly ducklings! 🙃😜
KJV Exodus 20:1-12, 14-17
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Hypocrites are some of the worst
It's funny and sad at the same time how people are willing to support any kind of theory, no matter how absurd it may be, just to get God's existence out of the equation. Because if they admit that there is a God up there, the question would be, "Why don't you live as if God exists?" . Their whole life would be turned upside down if they recognized that God exists, so they would rather adopt any other theory. And it's easier to adopt a theory than to change your entire lifestyle. No more sex before marriage, no more pornography, no more homosexuality, no more college parties, no more drugs, no more selfishness, no more "I do what I want," and so on. It's too hard for them to give up all this. They don't want to give up. They want to continue to do what they want, but at the same time to be told that they are good people, that they are moral. Well, dear ones, that's impossible.
Oh the irony,
Its funny and so sad at the same time just how many people are willing to support any kind of fairytale....
Talking snakes, tribes of GIANTS, magic , witches , virgin births, zombies, mud figurines becoming living breathing man and ribs becoming women. Because their whole world would be turned upside down if there were no invisible being watching their every move, or no eternital afterlife spent worshipping this being.
No more polygamy, no more slavery endorsement, no more incestuous relationships, no more infanticide, no more bigoted homophobia. No more " we can commit genocide cos god told us "" and so on . It's to hard for them to give up all this. They want to do all this while telling everyone that they are good people that they are moral.
Well dear that's impossible. 😜
does anyone know if he’s going to upload new content ? ive seen on tiktok them out at colleges but that new content hasn’t made the TH-cam channel ?
If true, good question.
Is there no tolerance for ambiguity
My head explodes listening to these skulls full of mush debating Cliff.
What university are they at?
i love these convesations, but i wish you can upload the whote debate instead of snapshots
Cliff: "You have faith that agnosticism is an accurate picture of reality"
How could that be true when agnosticism doesn't make any claims about reality?
The Law of non-contradiction is a construct in formal logic but does not always work in real life. A photon is both a particle and not a particle (a wave) at the same time. In quantum computing, a qubit is both 1 and 0 at the same time. Even Christians who use this law to argue against other faiths does not believe in it when it comes to their own faith. God is 1 and not 1 (i.e. 3) at the same time. Jesus is both man and not man (i.e. God) at the same time.
Why is this for me looks like they’re in the 2000’s?
What years is this from?
10:33... Stupidest argument for Jesus I have ever heard. "Within 150 years of Tiberius death 10 people wrote about him and 42 wrote about Jesus". What's that supposed to prove? Harry Potter books are more popular than a biography of Abraham Lincoln. Which of them was real though?
It's one argument, an argument for the historicity of the space-time individual known as Jesus. And it's not meant to "prove" anything. To prove means to show it cannot be another way. Rather, a great deal of evidence pointing to the historicity of an individual lends credence to the idea that that person existed. Harry Potter is fiction and is classified as fiction. The author, J.K. Rowling, even says it's fiction. The New Testament Gospels are written as non-fiction and first person / eye-witness reportage. So we have to read a document taking into consideration its literary genre. That helps determine whether a document from antiquity is myth, fable, narrative, etc.
@@nabukwe None of the gospels are firsthand eyewitness accounts. How did you misconstrue that they were. Haven't you read them?
@@nabukwe There was no such thing as "literary genre" in ancient literature. Writers rolled in stories, myths and fables with historically true material. That's why places like Nazareth and Bethlehem are mentioned. It's also why real historical figures like Herod the Great and Pontius Pilate are mentioned. There is NO "first person/eye witness" reportage in the gospels. There does not exist one scrap of testimony from anyone who ever knew Jesus. This does not prove that he did not exist of course. But to believe that the Jesus of the gospels is an accurate representation of the historical figure that we know next to nothing about is a faith based position, not one based on history.
No no. That's a completely different argument. You went from amount of manuscript evidence, people writing about this person, to how popular the person was. Also, there's no claim that Harry Potter was or is a real person.
@@Malhaloc Okay, so let me put it this way. There is more written about King Arthur than about any actual king of ancient Britain. Does that mean King Arthur existed? There's more written about Sherlock Holmes than any real detective. Did Sherlock Holmes exist? There is more written about Robin Hood than any other known outlaw in medieval England. It still doesn't mean Robin Hood existed. In the case of King Arthur and Robin Hood, people did really believe they existed. Now, let's take a real figure from the past. The infamous Victorian serial killer, Jack the Ripper. He was real. He killed at least five women. But in the hundred and thirty odd years since he was around, numerous fictional accounts of his deeds have been written. They are all based on the real killer. But few, if any, accounts really tell us anything about him. Same goes for Jesus. I am not saying he didn't exist. I am saying that the gospels can in no way be considered a reliable account of his life. Especially when they include stories of miracles and a resurrection
Arguments built on sand. There is no evidence for either the existence or non existence of god. It is illogical to assume therefor that a god exists. All we can say with any degree of certainly is that we don't know. And which god, among the many thousands, would that be? Any argument that follows is an exercise in futility and pointless.
What’s more is that the same applies to aliens, unicorns, Bigfoot, Santa Claus etc etc… but everyone’s usually fine just saying those things don’t exist.
@@shelbyvillerules9962 It is far, far, more likely they exist than god. Which god I wonder as well. There are so many that followers profess to be the only one.
To say you are certain you can't say for sure is to claim knowledge about how much knowledge a person can obtain. But the claim could be applied to itself (as knowledge) and you should say you don't know for certain if your statement could be true...and apply that to itself ending in an infinite regress and logical inconsistency. To make such a logical sounding claim you need to abandon logic.
@@peterberr3888 Yawn 😴 no one claims "certainty " It's about logical reasoning.
The time to believe in something is when sufficient evidence to warrant belief has been presented not before.
Which is the better system, to rely upon EVIDENCE to reach one's conclusions about reality or to insert " magic " into any percieved gap in scientific knowledge and just assert this is the explanation? The supernatural must first be shown to be a " possibility " before it can be used as an explanation.
Also Athiesm is not necessarily even the claim that god does not exist , but rather its about being unconvinced by the evidence provided saying he does
To use a courtroom analogy . You the prosecution accuse god of of being guilty of Existing
I the jury find him not guilty of existing ( because of lack of evidence) that DOES NOT MEAN I definitely know he is INNOCENT of existing. Merely that you have not provided enough evidence to prove him guilty ,,,, ,,, I find god not guilty of , existing
@@trumpbellend6717 ..do not yawn, you give the appearance of a foolish boor.
Your friend said he is certain that the best course is agnosticism. I pointed out that he is not agnostic enough. He should carry scepticism all the way and say he is not certain of anything including his own scepticism; which leads to irrationality.
You are mixing up scepticism and rationality, ie. belief forming on the basis of evidence. In a courtroom, the evidence consists of data/observations/measurements AND an argument/theory/story to elaborate and tie the observations together in a logical manner.
We all see the same data, it appears you just have not heard a convincing argument and so believe the evidence is lacking. It is there, just that you are not swayed by the arguments you have heard.
Your definition of atheism is too soft, you should be a true atheist like Nietzsche and fully affirm there are no gods, else you are just a confident (and ultimately irrational) agnostic like your friend above.
If you say fire doesn’t burn human flesh than you are a scoffer and a non believer. Fire does burn and you know it does. It always has and it always will. Don’t be simple.
The Lske of Fire will Not be Forever, but the lasting effect like with Sodom and Gomorrah will be.
Isn't the shroud found?
The shroud was found a long time ago.
Medieval forgery
@@colinmatts
Its been proven to not be a forgery.
@@GraftedOliveBranch Really? And in what scientific journal can I read about this forensic proof that the shroud was the burial cloth of this supposed Jesus. Hell, go ahead and provide the title, author(s), and year of publication so I can locate this study. I look forward to reading it.
@@theoskeptomai2535
"The Evidence of the Shroud" by Ian Wilson...
Read it for yourself (if you have enough time between your habitual trolling) it's truly fascinating stuff.
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These students are so closed to reality I pray & hope that their eyes are opened, otherwise they will just be lost souls to Satan’s regime, Jesus Christ the way the truth the life ❤️
In what manner are these students "closed to reality"?
Don't mind Theo he is closer to reality he is a troll.
@@godislove363 By simply asking a straightforward question, you will label me a troll instead of answering the question. Rather juvenile and pathetic. Would you agree? Why don't you join the discussion as an adult instead of casting baseless assertions like a petulant child. Time to grow up Jacob and argue your case.
@@godislove363 Avoiding my question again. Why is it that you cower from every question I ask?
@@theoskeptomai2535 I answered you again this morning and again it's gone nothing to you but I didn't avoid your question I haven't avoided your questions before you're the one who lies and deletes the rest goodbye.