Give Me an Answer - Who's World View Is Better? Who Defines Better?
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- Program 3021 ................... - Social Contract - Church History - Manuscript Evidence
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
Great to see Spider-Man there gathering wisdom.
😂😂
Great power comes with great responsibility. So you gotta learn greatly
Even superhero’s need to hear about superhero’s 😂❤️
Great power comes from above 😊😊
It's because Uncle Ben isn't around anymore...
When Cliff says "isn't that amazing.." 0:19, and you literally have the amazing Spiderman right next to you! Awesome 👍.
His spidey senses leading him to the Lord
...but does he _really_ do whatever a spider can? 🤨
Having a new ask cliffe on Christmas is one of the best gifts
I concur Jociah. Love a new Cliffe video ( albeit from the archives so to speak)
@@bonnie43uk Agreed, Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones ! 🎄 🎅
Mannnnn😭😭😭🙏🏾 Praise Christ 🙏🏾🙏🏾💙
Exactly ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
You said it
In the second clip, that young man said "I don't have any direction, I'm just trying to find somewhere to go", and I'm like wow, I felt that. May God bless this young man that He may be reborn.
Having graduated from UT Austin for a quarter of century, i still feel grateful for what he did and does in the campus where all the young minds are. Feeling great bumping into this channel and finally get to know his full name is Cliffe Knechtle!
TU* 🤘⬇️
@@darkeen42 are you incompetent? Did you even watch the video you shared? I’ve seen that videos years and years ago, everyone making fun of that guy who posted it because it doesn’t show anything other than the guy making a fool out of himself. Just like you.
@@darkeen42 th-cam.com/video/SVoze3TzcXE/w-d-xo.html same person debating Cliffe. Oh right you didn’t think I’ll find it huh?
@@darkeen42 haters gonna hate huh
@@darkeen42 and how are you more informed than him lol
I like the guy with the Texas shirt, he's very humble.... I pray that Christ reveals himself to him. He needs to be in the kingdom🙏🏾💯
1 Peter 3:15 🎁
“But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you. But respond with gentleness and respect,”
Cliff evangelizes in the way Christ said we should, with love and without force
Cliff is a dope !
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Oh! Good one Kimble! I guess you're dredging the bottom of your intellectual barrel already, eh? 🤣
@@darkeen42
No, that would be your worldview/faith which is why Cliffe makes videos and you don't.
@@darkeen42 Maybe, but what he does convey is compassion for the listener and self restraint
In 380 CE, the emperor Theodosius issued the Edict of Thessalonica, which made Christianity, specifically Nicene Christianity, the official religion of the Roman Empire. Most other Christian sects were deemed heretical, lost their legal status, and had their properties confiscated by the Roman state. Then over next few centuries the power of Rome enforced this law over the empire via imprisonments or death sentences for any non approved places of worship.
Without force my ass.
Thank you Cliff for being on the front lines and preaching the Gospel to the young minds of these times. Jesus is reliable and worthy to be praised. He is the suffering servant prophesied in Isaiah 53. Thank you Jesus for your love and sacrifice. Worthy is the Lamb that was slain, worthy is the King who conquered the grave!
Is that all he is getting ..just a thank you for his sacrafice ..what if you found out that he didn't die one and two didn't die for you ..would you still have this Conditional delusuonal love for him ..I bet you wouldn't ..
@@doctr7147
You're such a shameless troll.
@@jessebryant9233 your kind gives their holes at will and you talk to me about shameless
@@doctr7147
Thanks for doing that thing you do: troll.
@@jessebryant9233 when you can't handle facts or when something is beyond your head you label is troll ..good luck in the grave ..you are in strife !!!!!!!!
It's actually pretty funny, because in most comics, Spidey is a Christian. He's shown to pray and say grace multiple times to God in the comics and even in the movies.
His most famous line "With great power, comes great responsibility" also reflects on God with having to make hard choices and allowing free will to exist.
Obviously, this doesn't support not deny the Bible, but it's just an interesting point to make.
Aunt May also pray The Lords Prayer before Goblin attacked her.
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Also when Spidey busted Eddie Brock, he said, "you want forgiveness? Get religion!"
Too bad they recently made Superman bisexual.
@@apel.ogetika are u serious lol?
@@choosejesus1910 that was false
@@temporaryaccount5307 no it’s false
I hope spider man finds Jesus, that would be awesome 😊
Why does he need Jesus
@@lightworker4512 same reason everyone does.
We are already all born saved. we just need to make this world a better place
@@lightworker4512 Oh... that's not at all biblical. You need to make the choice to accept Jesus to be saved.
@@raneanubis it’s biblical for us Jewish people. We were born saved when God breathed into Adam. Our spirit is the light of God that darkness cannot enter. Our spirit returns to our Creator as it is of the Creator. Our messiah is to bring peace into our physical world.
2:24 Logic, Reason, Conscious [Objective Moral Values]
13:10 Affirming The Value of Life
15:52 Chemical Brain Reactions
I don’t like my enemy
I don’t like bad
But I love them
I wish for their health wealth and growth in Christ
18:01 Knowledge of Good helps understand why Evil is Evil.
21:33 Motivation
Money - worldly, superficial, ending,
Love - Godly, Eternal
23:28 Relativism
“According to you”
Collective Sense of Morals
Society’s Values
Cultural Subjectivism
Cultural [Objectivism]
25:00 If people are matter, why should I care?
26:00 If morality changes on society …
Right/Wrong - Eternal? In Fact
Right/Wrong - Changing, [Circumstantial?]
Society can get closer to Right/Wrong
If Right/Wrong move, Society needs to Move in Morals across time
I Love listening to this brother in Christ speak! God bless him and ministry
I'm 30. When I was 15 I read the bible for myself because I WANTED TO KNOW THE TRUTH FOR MYSELF.. And I read it as if it could be history written down..
And it changed everything
@@darkeen42 how do explain supernatural experiences? It an atheist that fought against the Bible and turned to God? It must be something to it
@@SamSam-jb5tr What atheist fought against The Bible and turned to God?
@@darkeen42 but there is also many cases where it's absolutely consistent and coherent. You also have to look at the style of writing, and the authors' intention i.e. is it intended as a fictional or mythical work, did the author flat-out lie, or were they sincere in what they were conveying? I challenge you to carefully read the books of Luke and Acts, and then decide for yourself.
@@reinicols I think the authors were just extremely superstitious. Most people were back then. Dr Bart Ehrmen Has some great lectures online to show you how the mythology of Christianity grew
@@sickboy666fu Now you want me to read an individual's idea, but I can’t read and believe what the Gospel says? For something to become history, it takes a second, meaning whatever you did a second ago is history. That means, I cannot trust nor believe on any history that has be writing by human. Then, you are telling me to believe or read something by a man that I know for a fact hasn’t been able to physically go to the places where the Bible was written and prove everything is wrong. Tell me: Which history was written by a man I should trust?
Now, why did I decide to believe in the word of God? The Gospel talks about things that no other man could think about and speak about it. Human is so predictable that I know for a fact: No human could believe and then say: Love Your Enemies. That never came through my mind until I read it from Jesus' Gospel. If you think those are common words, then you are an arrogant individual that doesn't want to accept that comments like that came out from somebody out of this world. Only one man said those words, Jesus. That's only one of the thousands of things he said through the Gospel. His teachings are transforming people. No other book calls God: Heavenly Father; if you think those words are ordinary, I am sorry, but they are not. Who was the first man to call God Father? Jesus when he calls God, Abba. I am telling you, you have to humble your mind and heart and study what Jesus taught and said.
Brilliant explanation from the pastor, staying on the topic and putting all pieces together in a logical explanation!
I love Cliffe's logic. It's great that Cliffe has a lot of patience with these kids.
@@darkeen42 are you serious? He has a very sensible and proven logic. Watch some of his videos. Cliffe alone has given enough proof to turn most atheists into JESUS believing Christian. He is one of the few Pastors that actually looks at the Bible in historical narrative. His logic goes on proof. I hope you are just trolling.
@@darkeen42 ok. Well I'm not gonna prove my SAT scores to someone online. You believe what you believe and I KNOW what I believe. I must confess though, I didn't watch this entire video. I have watched many different videos from Cliffe and what I have noticed is very sound logic. By the way, it's VERY rude to tell someone what they should be talking about. What you do is prove them wrong. Something you did not do. Have a blessed day and hope all is well.
@@darkeen42 that particular point wasn't "logical". But as I said, I haven't watched the entire video so I am going on your word that is what Cliffe said. If I watch it and find that he said those exact words, then yes, clearly that sounds illogical. But I think maybe you understood his point out-of context. Are you an atheist? Not that it's any of my business...
@@darkeen42 You've never read with Bible with the proper interpretive lense of the Church. Sola Scriptura is a lie and your glaring misconceptions are evidence of that.
@@darkeen42 The Catholic Church is not a denomination. It was founded directly by Christ, and is the only authoritative source of knowledge concerning faith and morals.
What a wonderful opportunity to share Christ with these young adults, the future generation
THe bible has proven to me several times that it is the word of GOD! I'm a believer- Jesus is King
More like the words of the multiple men that wrote it lol!
@@eddieyan3017 I can tell you never done any independent study on the Bible because if you had you'd realize that it was written by several different people in several different decades that didn't know each other and yet they all told the same story.
@@truthandlove117 Because they read from the same book, it's called referencing. Occam's razor, "what is the most obvious is usually the truth."
When you say "Same" story, do you mwanexactly 100% the same? If so why would you need multiple men to tell the same story? Why would they be old and new testaments?
@@eddieyan3017 they couldn't have read from the same book because, it hadn't been riten ,yet they were inspired by the Holy Spirit at different time periods and different time zones and different geographical locations and they all say the same thing Jesus Christ in the Old Testament they were telling about his coming in the gospels they were telling about him being here and then the New Testament after that they are telling about his reigning and Kingdom coming
@@eddieyan3017 dude do you really think they had a printing press and were able to distribute totally cantonized copies of the Bible back in that time period to different geographical parts of the world get real do your research son
The last young man is a prime example of how we are completely in defiance against a Holy God! We all had this Spirit at one time because a Holy God shows our sins in the light and we don't want to give them up. Let's pray for all these students because God is merciful, and by His amazing grace He saves us from the second death!! I was this young man, but now I am forever changed, and all my hope is in Christ and what He did on the cross for us. I will serve Him no matter what He asks, because He is always with me in everything I do!!!
WOW I've just found this channel and I'm blown away by the questions and even more by the answers that Cliffe responds with. Can't wait to learn more about how amazing our God and his love and grace is ❤
How amazing is your God that has sent billions of none believers to Hell because they were brought up in a different religion? Is that rational?
@@lightworker4512 God is Love, therefore allows us to choose. He has given a way to all people. There are Christians all over the world that have left their religion behind. God has written who He is on the hearts of everyone. The gospel has gone out to all of the world. And we don’t go to hell because we don’t trust in Christ. We go to hell because we have broken the law of God. We are all sinners and deserve death. We have earned our wages as the Bible says. “For the wages of sin is death”. What God did to offer His life as a ransom for our son is such an amazing love story, I just can’t fathom how one would get angry at that. Nothing anyone has to do except receive the free gift of eternal life that Hod has given to us all. Please consider His free gift because He loves you
The wages of sin is death. True. Our souls return home as our soul is the energy, essence of God. Our ego, our humanity is temporary, finite and dies. That’s why in my religion of Judaism, all of humanity are already born saved for only our souls are infinite and eternal. That is why our messiah is a leader to bring peace into this world. We worry not about death for us nor all of humanity.
@@lightworker4512 it's His world, deal with it... when you become a God in your fantasy fairy tale, you can set the rules...
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Abraham was not in Christianity religion, and Abraham was not sent to hell
I love every single video Cliffe. I've learned so much from you, and these videos really helped me on my path to Christ. Thank you for your time. May God continue to keep u.
What God are you talking about
hi Ps Cliffe, I am so glad I found your channel - very surprise you have been around for at least 14 years. I really appreciate your ministry here! not a lot of people have the courage and patience to talk to people who has questions. God bless you!! Please keep posting this amazing dialogue, discussion and Q and A. 1Corinthians 15:58 "...Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain."
Clicked because spiderman…
Man spider
If you already think the Bible is comparable to a Doctor Seuss book why ask questions about something ridiculous
Well, they didn't ask the doofus to go up there and talk at them about it in the first place.
This is the future of America ?…. We need guidance
It's a lot worst now that it is almost 10 years since this was filmed. Naturally speaking we are screwed unless somehow tech (or something else not easily foreseen like mastic revival) comes to our rescue.
@@leoconservative628 because college freshmen’s think they know everything and have it all figured out or science this n science that… when people like Einstein say they don’t know anything… crazy
@@leoconservative628 Because too many young folks are not educated, are unable to think critically, are morally bankrupt (in part to the internet and the various vices it can provide). More and more young people don't understand why hard work is important and so on. How can people like this lead our country?
@@curiousgeorge555 Islamic republic of America .how does that sound ..then it will have its substance
@@doctr7147 Islam?? Lol. You fools would be hilarious if it wasn't for your body count.
Repackaging the watchmaker argument, the fine tuning argument... Hardly original....
Ppl like the last guy annoy me. They always want to insist that the Bible’s laws are outdated while giving society the last word, yet they don’t realize society’s laws come straight from the Bible and it’s the foundational laws that still today apply. The forms of govt, military, taxation, criminal laws, domestic relations, like marriage, parent and child, adoption, etc, estate laws, welfare laws, etc COME FROM THE BIBLE. Little does he know that even the direction he writes in is towards Israel.
Bible has been changed and so has Torah that's why God gave final book to mankind and said he will protect it from getting changed ..that's why the final book hasn't been changed all this time
@@doctr7147 since YT deleted my comment, I’ll reiterate. If the Bible is so corrupted, then so is ur Quran bc ur book repeatedly attests to its legitimacy, ur god said to go to “the ppl of the book” to help u make sense of ur Quran, and ur godman swore on and by it! U Mzms are so wrapped up in ur regurgitated hearsay traditions that u don’t even realize ur accusations didn’t even exist until the 11th c when Ibn Khazem realized his Quran contradicted the Bible! Y’all have been parroting the same unfounded nonsense ever since AND WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE!
@@doctr7147
Prove it...
The more I see and hear the answers from these university students the more I’m glad I didn’t go to university but worked hard to make my own business with ethics and morals based on Jesus . They left there brains at the university door
When he said its 2012 i wanted to cry........literally when we were still free from covid and an eternity away.
Don't let fear control you, this is about a rational God and rational thought! COVID has done nothing to you, the state has caused you fear.
"What Christians call 'following their faith' I call 'following the herd.'"
--Nietzsche
"Telephone" only works when it's verbal. Play that same game but instead of verbal it's written. So one person writes down a sentence, then the next copies that, and so on. What would you get at the end? Would it be something totally different or would it be the same? Let's say there was a change, you could actually tract down when the change took place and may even find out why it was changed.
Textual criticism is the study of this very observation.
@@douglasmcnay644 Which is exactly what Christians should do with the bible they read. If their bible claims to be the word of God, claims God cannot lie, claims God will preserve his word, or claims that He is not the author of confusion does the bible that they are reading show this consistency? I could talk all day about bible versions that have multiple doctrinal, philosophical, and textual contradictions/lies/errors and it's always defended by those who read them without even the thought to say, "Oh, I must be reading the wrong bible, I will do research and find the preserved word of God." They would rather stick to the bible that they can judge rather than the Bible that judges them.
@@SilasCole88 you know I hear this a lot but I never see examples. How could anyone refute you if you do not give examples? I’m not sure exactly what inconsistencies you see could you respond with one or two of them?
@@jadon7696 If you're not lazy look up "Why I Use The King James Bible" Contradictions in New-Age Versions by Christopher J. E. Johnson. This is just a small sample of what's wrong with new age versions, but you only need one in any given version to make it false.
There is nothing rational about believing in the magical invisible man in the sky. It’s superstition.
Lazy thinking
Did anyone else laugh when cliff was saying “I’m out here preaching because people pay me millions of dollars. You say it’s wrong but I’m making money for my family” while smiling 😂😂 that was so hilarious. Cliff is the best!
I remain... unconvinced.
Spider-Man hit a brick wall there
This Spiderman never go to Indonesia, you life to comford as Chatolics on America
Yay Merry Christmas!
0:00 "There's a rational god who created you and me with a rational mind"
He simply asserts it here with nothing to demonstrate it's validity. It boils down to, i simply say so.
Regardless of anyone else's ability to show otherwise, it has no bearing on whether his proposition, that a god exists, can be demonstrated to be so.
1:24 "Who defines better?"
An apologists trap by asking a question they already have a script for. But let's proceed.
We do. More accurately society at large. As we move forward with the people around us we interact and sometimes we come across problems
in a one on one situation, hopefully we can sort things out. If not we move on to legal resolutions. And ultimatley if this is a new issue laws will be put in place for future rulings. All metrics show we are now better off (in most countries) than at any other time in history.
The Nazi and black examples are typical of apologists when they want to show an extreme example of people not agreeing. Yes, sometimes thing get bad before we get better and we go to war because of it. Welcome to the last 10,000 years of civilization. Duh!
1:50 Spider-Man saying he is catholic did not bode well for him, as the Nazis and the holy catholic church were, bed partners so to speak, and they have a lot to answer for as background participants/helpers in WW2. As for Apartheid another christian backed embargo on the rights of white and black Africans that again show religion being involved in causing dissention and exclusion.
So far this speaker is shooting him self in the foot by mentioning these examples.
2:45 "Human beings have been created by god for a purpose...and that value comes from god."
Again pure assertion. He assumes a god and runs with whatever script his brand of apologetics wants you to hear.
I'm less than 3 minutes in and so far it boils down to this.
I am assuming a god. We can't be accidents. god has a plan for us.
I cant watch any more it's apologetics 101.
This guy is a good speaker and knows his brand well, so to the casual observer he may be making sense to anyone who has a vague leaning in a god belief.
But once you stop the think about what he is saying you can see right through him.
I'm no expert, but even i can see what he is doing, asserting a god into reality.
Nothing to see here ...move along...move along.
Well said. Its only the USA where people ade gullible enough to beleive him. Hed be a laughing stock in Europe
Do yourself a favor- study History.
@@sandersson2813 Atheists are a laughingstock here in the United States.
Society defines right and wrong- that's the Argumentum ad Populum Fallacy.
@@darkeen42 You can tell yourself that all you want while providing more humor due to your massive ignorance.
The Quakers , who are Christians, were instrumental in the abolition ( The Abolitionists) of Slavery, because they were following what the good book, The Bible, commands.
Nice try.
The 10 commandments define what right and wrong are.
Do you think someone abused by their parents should “honour their father and mother”? Capitalism is based on “coveting thy neighbour’s house”. If you live in a capitalist country, should we ditch capitalism? If you are married, did you have sexual thoughts about your husband/wife before you were married? Should we close all temples and mosques because of the 2nd commandment?
The sad thing is that most of these people are coming to debate and haven't even opened the Bible.
It's like a book club for people who refuse to read a book and insist on being wrong
This is the sad part. If I was to have never even picked up a chemistry textbook and never to have even spoken to somebody about the subject of chemistry and then I go to the department head of an ivy league school to tell him why his understanding of chemistry is wrong, I would be an utter laughingstock. Most of these people who thrown out criticisms of the Bible have never even cracked one open and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. On the other hand, there are plenty of "Christians" who don't know much more that are making some very silly statements/claims about what is written therein and that doesn't help the cause at all.
TL;DR
Read up on a topic before opening your mouth and giving an opinion on the subject.
Why nobody talking about dude dressed as spider man
Merry Christmas everyone, Give your life to Jesus. Best decision you’ll ever make.
why?
@@iampostal He is our only hope. We will all face God one day, and everyone will be without excuse because God offered us a savior. Jesus, the only one to live a sinless life, and atone for our sins because He is God the Son. This is why we should surrender to Him, we should humble ourselves, repent of our sins, and believe the gospel.
I have struggled with terrible sins my entire life, and was convinced that I was hopeless to overcome my wicked ways. It wasn’t until God performed a miracle in my life and called me to repentance. I know for a fact it was a work of God because I was a slave to sin. Christ has set me free from sin. I share this anecdote with you because God is real my friend, and loves us so incredibly much that he sent His only begotten Son so we may have eternal life with Him. All we can do is believe in Him. God willed it this way; We didn’t have a say when coming into this life, nor do we have a say in means for salvation. I’ll be praying that we may all repent, and trust Jesus. Peace to you brother
@@hablaf12 Amen.
@@hablaf12 AMEN!
@@hablaf12 our only hope? life on earth has never been better...world war 2 wasnt enough for his return adn thigns are much better now...if your sky god exists he will be to blame...he created me...you would say he knows my mind...and then he would know what it would take to make me believe...which he either refuses to show me or doesnt care to...his fault not mine...we dont need savingyou dont know jesus had a sionless life there is no accounting for him from birth to age 30 save a story or two..you are a slave to this sir...your god created you sick and demanded you get better or hell punish you forever...your idea od unconditional love where he points a gun at you is sadistic perverse and the behavior of a psychopath..if iot were anyone but god with this behavior you would send them to the hell you imagine
Thank you Cliff and Stuart for all you do! I would love to see these conversations to their completion - I become so engrossed in the systematic way in which you lead a train of thought that when the video sometimes cuts off before the answering to the initial question it's rather unfortunate! Perhaps it is just that the student or person in question has decided to leave, or whatever the case might be. Either way, I am loving these videos and will continue to glean much from the way in which you relate to those who approach you. Fine examples indeed. 🙏 God bless.
Does anyone struggle with pride almost all day, everyday? Even in trying to love and serve others, I feel like I have prideful thoughts always lurking. It’s a huge struggle of mine and I’m wondering if anyone has insight on how to perhaps combat it; In addition to looking to Christ and prayer
We shall through much tribulation enter the kingdom of GOD. When you embark on this marathon you become a threat to our enemy in a way that your average person just isn't. He will speak lies and thoughts and do anything to deceive you. We must take our relationship with Christ serious and more serious than any other relationship on this earth. He becomes LORD and MASTER and offending him becomes our prime motive in decision making in all things. Study the scriptures daily. Want it. Need it. Cherish it. Show GOD you are serious. He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. Examine yourself everyday, as you are already doing, and bring it to Christ in prayer being 100% truthful and honest. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
@@godsontravis7183 Thank you so much sir!
@@godsontravis7183 I very much appreciate your biblically sound answer. Can’t thank you enough for being selfless and taking the time to respond. Very encouraging and insightful
@@hablaf12 I appreciate your thankfulness. Humbling ourselves is one of the largest sins committed in our brethren that often goes unrecognized. We could be exalting ourself daily and not even know it, thus being deceived. Although you mentioned you are struggling with prideful thoughts, the fact that you recognize it and speak on it is HUMBLENESS in its own. Something told me to respond to your post because of that humbleness and we both know what that something was. Be of good cheer. He hears you. As I've said before this is a marathon, not a sprint. Be thankful in all things and not a complainer or murmerer like the israelites with Moses. Be thankful that you have a willing heart that recognizes the pride and doesn't ignore it you know? Take it all up in serious prayer my brother. He is most assuredly listening to you.
It's a constant struggle and I totally get it.
Are we all going to ignore that spiderman is there???
This is excellent, I’ve been enjoying your videos and truly appreciate the way you dedicate your time to having these difficult and intellectually challenging discussions near the universities who, in my opinion, have strayed from objective study and the view of any question no matter how difficult being on the table to be analyzed, debated and discussed. The students are being sent into an environment where they’re supposed to be challenged and tested but are instead softened and protected from the very thing that furthers their mind and sharpens their intelligence, not to mention failing the very task of a place of learning. Some great universities still exist, yet many have strayed so far from a worthwhile institution.
I think it has to be revealed to someone who is seeking God that the Bible is truly the Word of God. I understand Cliffe when he tells the students that they can't know that, and that they should look at the Bible as historical evidence that Jesus was the most reliable. I just cringe a little because I wish that he'd tie it back together, so to speak, that it has to be revealed by Holy Spirit that it is indeed the Word of the Lord. I do truly enjoy seeing these interactions and the way he unfolds the Truth to their minds. We truly serve an AMAZING God!!!
One logical fallacy after another, he's lost every debate I've ever seen him in. he enjoys talking to people that haven't heard his word games before. But at the end of the day, magic still doesn't exist.
Lost which debate? I have seen several of his videos and find no debate he lost
don't imitate evil but imitate good
Happy birthday Lord Jesus!
What day is his birthday
@@donaldcoleman514 February 76.
The last guy that ask the question is so rejecting the truth in front of his eyes. I could understand everything what this professor said as an explanation, it was so clear for me and I'm not even a college or university man. God bless you. 🙏
The last guy is in denial cause he knows for a fact he's wrong and he's losing the argument
I can't watch these without getting frustrated. Cliffe is very professional. That's a great thing when it comes to these children.
@@darkeen42 He edits his videos, therefore he's trying to hide something from us?
That's called the Negative Inference Fallacy. Just because A is true, does not mean that B is inherently true. Don't be a fool.
@@darkeen42 I've seen it. I've seen enough of him to know where he stands. I've even watched the sermons he preaches at his church. I trust him because of that.
@@darkeen42 That's a literal proven myth, scholars agree we have an accurate precisely preserved Bible. Stop spamming cringe in the comments you're embarassing yourself.
Last guy was in so much denial of God he didn't even understand his own worldview, therefore couldn't even understand his OWN question.
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Matthew 13:14-15
I see this happening to religious people all the time......they just don't see it.
Believing in a fictional character in the sky is by definition irrational 😂😂😂
While arguing about it with SUPERMAN, makes it even more hilarious. 🤣😂
Atheists cannot tell you how space, matter and energy appeared from nothing.
This atheist doesn't assert anything came from nothing. Only creationists mask the ridiculous assertion that something come from nothing.
@@theoskeptomai2535
So what is the atheists position? Let me guess: "We dunno!" Sadly, all you have is ridiculousness-that flies in the face of the EVIDENCE and known laws of physics. The Bible labels those of your ilk 'fools' for a reason...
@@ksizzle1535
Well, that is an argument you would actually have to make. I don't think you can. I think that all you have is a personal preference. You would prefer "I don't know" to the God of the Bible. And of course, if you've done an actual investigation, your zero evidence bit is nonsense. Those who take the position that I do simply appeal to a very useful scientific tool known as rational inference to the best explanation based upon what we DO KNOW, experience, and observe, NOT what we DON'T KNOW. Fact is, known laws of physics do not help your case... Naturalism has no scientific support-it is just what so many wish to believe.
@@ksizzle1535
So you are making demands of me-while refusing to put your cards on the table? Either you have the scientific impossibility of an infinite regress despite logic and known laws of physics like entropy-or you have everything coming from literally nothing (no thing) which could only be uncaused, despite the law of causality. And you are disavowing... both views?
@@ksizzle1535
Are you one of those clowns who thumbs himself up?
*1st post:* Gee, nothing (literally no thing or the absence of anything) doesn't physically exist? Dude, are you stupid or something? Thank you Captain Obvious! Yes, every physical thing requires a cause. You do know some science! As for your non-sequitur that ignores the science... See, you tipped your hand. You're a cynic, not a skeptic.
*2nd post:* And if you wish to deny the axiomatic necessity of an immaterial uncaused, cause-that's your choice. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with logic or science or physics. As for respect... So what? You seem to think that one SHOULD respect fellow human beings-but that is not possible a purely material universe. So you are being neither rational nor consistent-which I contend is because you can't be either of those things, because your worldview is bonkers.
As for you "going in the direction of science", well, you've yet to demonstrate any such thing. Not remotely. Nor have you refuted any of the laws of physics that I've appealed to. Personally, I think your faith in naturalism is unjustified. Or maybe you can prove me wrong? No, you're abandoning ship because you know you can't put your money where your mouth is or defend ANY of the numerous clams you just made. But if being a fool and demonstrating it to others and then trolling elsewhere is how you get your jollies, I obviously can't stop you. Hey, according to your own blind faith, all one can say is: Whatever!
Cliffe sounds so astute till you see him in an actual debate with someone who actually has experience rather than pandering to students.
Has he ever debated Matt Dillahunty? I'd pay money to see that. 🤣
@@watchandjewelryloft4713 yes he has it's more preaching than debating but still. It's on YT
@@rob-890 I'm watching it now. What a Trainwreck. 🤣😂
Nazi Germany was overwhelmingly christian, apartheid South Africa was overwhelmingly christian, segregationist and slaveholding Southern USA was overwhelmingly christian. So what's the point? Get your slaves from the neighboring countries like the bible dictated?
Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!
Happy birthday Lord Jesus!
.Why do you teach Trinity ???
The Name of the father, Son, Holy Spirit is "Jesus"...
Notice it says Baptize in the Name - Not Names, not plural.
Acts 4:
12. There's No other name under Heaven by which we must be saved...”Jesus”
Col 2:
9. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the “Godhead” bodily.
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We’re being Baptized into the Death & Resurrection of Jesus, the Holy Spirit didn’t die on the Cross, the Father in the Body of Jesus did.
The Father & I are One, not two or three..
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Ephs 4:
[5] One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism,
[6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and “IN” you all.
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The Disciples never Baptized in Trinity, they baptized in the Name of Jesus, because there aren’t 3 God’s.
Jesus is God w/ us = Immanuel
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Isaiah 45:
[5] I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is “None Beside Me”. I am the LORD, and there is None Else.
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This is why the Word Trinity isn’t in the Bible, we’re not suppose to make up words or change scripture to suit ourselves..
One God - Not #3
It is very sad our young generation is falling to a point, they can't deal with a simple logical issues.
How about you - can _you_ deal with simple logical issues?
@@theoskeptomai2535 what do you think?
@@amanuelberhe4149 I suspect that you cannot by the fact you didn't answer the question directly.
@@theoskeptomai2535 you got it, correct answer.
@@amanuelberhe4149 it’s not logical to think that billions of people are burning in hell for eternity because they were raised in a different religion or belief. It is not logical to have diversity of thought but we not not be diverse in our beliefs. It’s not logical to worship a God that has caused billions to suffer. It’s not logical to believe in these myths that have served to program people for the benefit of others
I have another point. “THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD BECAUSE GOD SAYS IT IS”
Cliffs explanation is good but Jesus rising from the dead means he’s God so we can then trust the Bible is perfect without errors and THE WORLD OF GOD. The evidence the Bible is the world of God is because Jesus rose from the grave. It’s that simple.
15:00 - He would need "scientific" evidence to prove the existence of an immaterial creator God? So he's a naturalist-even though there is no evidence that naturalism is even possible, let alone true. Point being? We ALL make certain a priori assumptions/have presuppositions that cannot be proven empirically or even scientifically. And ONLY the Christian has good reasons for making these most necessary assumptions. Just something to think about...
That's an interesting idea. But using logic and only logic after testing all things as the Bible says, there has to be a creator as there is creation!
This would also help you discover what is true and what is not, rather than believing everything you see or hear.
@@anthonyciantar6015
Oh, I would agree! And we all know how atheists hate to do as you suggest! But when they use logic-they are making the necessary assumptions without having good reasons for doing so-thus stealing from God-while denying that axiomatic conclusion you point out. (Usually they claim that we don't know that this is a "creation".) It's kind of like, ZOINKS! BONK!! We can pray for them and try to help them... but the Bible calls them fools for a reason. They are and choose to remain "willingly ignorant". But hey, so many of them continue to troll this channel, so who knows, they may just stumble over the Truth and not just pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and continue on as if nothing has happened-if they are in fact... rational thinkers! So far, this is not the case with the likes of Bonnie, Theo Skeptomai, CollinMatts, Jackal's Gate, Korpse6Rinder, or a number of the other resident trolls on this channel. They just can't get enough because they never pay attention. Can you say, "...without excuse"?
@@jessebryant9233 I'll make a deal with you Jesse, show me credible evidence of someone with severe dementia being completely healed via prayer to Jesus, and I'll join you in praising Jesus. Something tells me you won't take me up on that offer.
@@bonnie43uk
And the trolling continues. I'll make you a deal Bonnie, show me credible evidence that you're not just a cynic and a liar and a God hating troll along with evidence that your naturalistic faith is supported by ANY evidence whatsoever and that your moral views are logically sound, and then we can talk. Until then... (Proverbs 14:7)
@@jessebryant9233 So, that's a no then. I thought so. You ALWAYS go on the offensive Jesse, always out to scoff and mock. No matter what evidence I offer up to you about me not being a cynic and a liar, you would not accept it.. but here's the thing, ... if you *were* to show me credible proof of someone with severe dementia being completely healed via prayer .. i *would* change my view and praise Jesus. Deep down you know there is no such credible evidence. Hence why you move the goalposts.
Cliff said it but I am not sure he realized it. "If there is no God there is no evil"! Think about that. If God is the watchmaker and the wach has a flaugh then who created it but God? The story of Job paints a picture of Satan and God hanging out taking bets over Jobs suffering. Why if God is love and light and there is no darkness in Him? Look I am a believer/knower that God is real and is LOVE after an NDE type of experience years ago but thease questions I still have no answer for? Thanks! Jesus is He btw!
1:36
Not how I was taught either the ‘Three-Fifths Compromise’ or the Dred Scott case.
The Three-Fifths Compromise was not about human worth, but about census data calculation for purposes of taxation and congressional representation, and it did not specify race, but only free persons and all other persons (though it included an added clarification regarding ‘Indians not taxed’, of which the latter portion is the the operative part).
The three-fifths compromise stated that when counting population as in a census, non-free persons would each count as three-fifths of a person - meaning that the population statistics would be {# of free persons + (# of non-free persons * 0.6)}. This population statistic was used (as I said before) for determining the number of representatives a state would get, and so how much power that state would have in the congress. Because of this, the lower that fraction was, the better it would be for slaves or anyone else that wanted slavery to be abolished.
The northern states wanted to abolish slavery, and the southern states that held slaves wanted to continue allowing slavery. The higher the population statistics a slave state could claim, the more power it had in congress to push for what they wanted, so if they didn’t have to reduce their ‘non-free persons’ count by 40%, and could instead just count 100% of that segment of the population (count each slave as a ‘whole person’), the population statistic would be higher and so the slave state would have more power to influence legislation - meaning they could use that power to better preserve, protect, or expand slavery.
th-cam.com/video/giBRnKRWR6M/w-d-xo.html.
www.theusconstitution.org/news/understanding-the-three-fifths-compromise/
As I was taught it, the Dred Scott case was a technical argument regarding legal questions of inter-state comity and jurisdiction. A southern slave owner took his slave to a free state for a while before returning to the south, and the argument was about whether passing through and/or residing in that free state dissolved the legal ownership of the slave. A somewhat similar case had previously been decided in favor of the slave, but was not conclusive as precedent because in that previous case the slave (who was freed as a result of their case) was still residing in the free state at the time of the case, whereas Dred Scott had returned to a slave state and waited until his current ‘owner’ died before suing for his freedom - which also complicated the technical nature of the case.
legaldictionary.net/three-fifths-compromise/
That said; Cliffe’s point still stands that if morality is a social construct then it is relative, subjective, and arbitrary - more of a pragmatic convention than any sort of absolute, authoritative prescriptive code of… well… morality. I agree with his overall point, I just want to correct the record to prevent the reinforcement of widespread misunderstandings that often combine with others to lead to bigger problems.
would you like to be my slave globeguy? .. that's probably a more pertinent question, if not, why not?
I hate to see the 3/5ths compromise so grossly misunderstood. You are absolutely correct.
@@bonnie43uk
It is actually not pertinent at all. It is entirely irrelevant. My pointing out that there are at least two things that are misunderstood in history does not mean either that I approve of slavery or that I want to be a slave, myself (which would each be irrelevant to each other as well).
I was going to include a clarification of this point in my post, but it seemed too condescending when I read it, so I removed it. Here is a part of that original explanation: “I am not arguing for slavery or ‘belittling the abuses of slavery’ or anything of the sort. It is not an argument in favor of murder to point out that a particular person did not do any murdering, nor is it belittling the tragedy of murder to point out that a particular death was not a murder. Facing a terrible subject with clear thinking and rationality is not an endorsement of it merely because we do not lash out with frantic tears of rage and sorrow at anything resembling or tangentially connected to it”.
Edit: Do you have any factual disagreements with the descriptions I wrote and linked to? That would be pertinent.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416
Or as General Mark Milley would call it, the ‘3/4 compromise’. Lol
Gee...if Cliffe had to say,
_"...or the Dred Scott case...which in actuality was..."_
(then fill in here everything you just wrote about the details of Dred Scott, and it is now ten minutes later)
_"...and so that's Dred Scott..._
_Wait a minute...what were we talking about before??_
_and where did everyone go???"_
Only GOD define better things! And HE alone know what is better for us! And it's all about love and not judgement ❤️ The good thing we can do is to do GOD' S Will not ours! we are not GOD that knows everything and decided to test the person! Ask Him/her because bible says clearly says, James 5:16 “Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.” God assures us that while our relationship with him is personal, it's not private. Because we're a body, what we do in our personal lives affects our brothers and sisters in Christ. it's better to rely only to the word of GOD in every aspect of our lives! In marriage, in spiritually, in friendships, in dating,in work, in neighborhood, in our cities, in our countries! We can do better in our own understanding but in trying our best and with all our heart the GOD'S Will🙏❤️
These people are laughable… only this is not a funny issue. They complain about God allowing evil when they themselves and everyone they love would be destroyed if God judged and destroyed evil. But then they turn right around and complain when God judges and destroys evil like He did with the Canaanites, the Israelites, the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and most of all like the final and eternal destruction of evil wit hell being placed into the Lake of Fire.
You have to be fair now. Hypocrisy is a core value of modern atheism .
I mean, how can they spew the slogans that their faith is based on if they DON'T fundamentally misrepresent biblical teachings?
It is amazing the justification some people can attempt to offer to answer for atrocities.
@@DRayL_
What are you calling "atrocities" and why?
@ 3:35 mark and on, I had a really hard time...Ii ask genuinely, is it not the power of Christ and His Word (and the authority contained within) that leads someone to repentance and belief, and if that be the case, then would approaching it so flippantly , saying there's no way you could show that...does that go contrary to Christ's power?
That said, I absolutely enjoyed the intellectual back and forth, and very much agree with much of what you said!! (of course, me agreeing or not agreeing means absolutely nothing!! But I love being able to come aside of someone and rock and roll!! :-)
ALSO - CLIFFE is the one who is ACTUALLY out there in the world, proclaiming the name of Christ, and engaging people face to face and has made this great content for us to engage with....and I have not...so from a certain point, what ground do I have to stand on to criticize?
I do not want to tear down, I do however want to learn and grow in understanding!!!
THANK YOU AND God BLESS YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!!!!! :-D
THE Devil Don't Won't Them to know the TRUTH OF GOD WORD.... JESUS IS COMING SOON....🙏🏽
Cliffe:
premise 1: i realy realy want the morality as i define it to exist.
premise 2: I define morality as only possible under theism
conclusion : god exists!
LOL
come on people think for yourselves, don't let cliffe do it for you !
Mortality IS only possible if God exists ..anything with out God is just relativism. It’s that simple and clear
@@ryanesau8147 I think you forgot the actual argument supporting that claim in your reply.
@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon well the question is where does morality come from.. right? It either is a concept through human evolution and society as a whole or it comes from a higher place..ie a mind outside of humanity
Are the Gospels historical documentation? Almost definitely not. At least mostly not. For starters, 3 of the 4 (Mathew, Mark, and Luke) are significantly identical to one another, with numerous examples of word-for-word verses. If you order them chronologically by the dates they were written (Mark, Mathew, Luke), Mark reads as the least fantastical with relatively minor miracles performed by Jesus. Mathew is significantly more fantastical, and Luke even moreso. This indicates that these three gospels are really just one gospel that has been copied at least twice, with each later copy being exaggerated over time. This is a perfect example of why most of the Bible shouldn't be trusted, as the verbal traditions used to develop the stories within the Bible were almost definitely exaggerated over time in a similar fashion.
Besides that, with the exception of these four gospels (mostly likely only two gospels) and the few non-plagiarized Epistles of Paul - which contradicts the Gospels on several occasions, there are no other historical sources that corroborate the contents within them. Jesus is almost completely absent from history until at least a century after his death.
I was not expecting Spider-Man to be in the opening of this video! 🤣🤣🤣\
1:51 lol. I love the way that guy started laughing in the background
Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life. Without him there is nothing to hope for in this life or the one that is coming. He is the redeemer. Christ has paid tremendous price for you.
If you’re in Christ, you are no longer in condemnation. God loves you. He died for you. He is with you. God of heaven and earth richly bless you. 😊❤️
2:08......... I respect you Cliff. You have alot of knowledge. You do lack a bit though, like many others through bias propaganda. Educate yourself by watching "Tainted Heroes", full documentary. Do not contradict yourself to put Apartheid and Nazism in the same category.
He also takes liberties with humans and societies. People can be 100% Atheist and still be in the presence of Nazis and see that what they're doing is wrong. That alone doesn't prove god/Jesus exists.
1876 isn't moving toward me. 2400 is.
I'm not concerned about the dorsal fin in the water moving away from me. It's the one moving toward me that's causing me to soil my swimming trunks!
I've come to the conclusion that, it's not that you don't understand, why you should believe in Jesus that condemns you to hell, it's the nature of sin your born with, and then, choose to live for.
If you doubt it, just ask any parent if they EVER had to teach their child to do bad things OR, did they spend their entire parenting life, trying to teach their child to do good and be good.
The original sin nature everyone is born with has 2 stages,
1. The unaccountable age
2. The accountable age
Because a Holy God can not allow evil to be unaccountable, He must execute judgment on evil.
For the wages of sin is death.
The life of a physical body provides the evidence of this biblical claim, because of the sin of Adam and Eve, we now are born into a temporarily physical but corrupted state of being.
This state of being is at enmity with God. Remember that He, His character and His nature is Holy, pure and void of all unrighteousness.
To try to put it in context,
Your eyes would literally burst into flames along with the rest of your body, if you were to even look straight at Him.
Hence, why He came to Moses, in the form of a burning bush.
But!
Because He loves his creation so much, He made it possible for us to be reconciled unto Himself, through the only acceptable atonement for our nature of sin.
This was only possible by The One, who was Conceived in Holiness, Lived in Holiness and Ultimately died and Rose from the grave in Holiness.
This is what Jesus represents to God the Father.
That is why He is spoken of as being, The Lamb of God, The perfect and only acceptable sacrifice, The last atonement, The spotless lamb of God, who comes to take away the sins of the world, ect....
By one's own humble acceptance of Jesus's death on the cross for our sins debt,
We are now counted as "acceptable", "made righteous", "made clean", "blind and given sight", "lost and is found", "dead and now alive again", " born again", "born of corruptible seed and now made of incorruptible seed", ect...
But the choice to reject this offer of a lifetime because of arrogance, will come with an eternal consequence.
Separation from God, or otherwise known as Hell. Where the flames always burn hot, thirst is never quenched, the worm of decay never dies, utter darkness, eternal torture, ect...
The choice is yours.
Just don't try and say God is unfair or unjust.
Everyone who reaches the age of accountability shall be required to stand in judgment before God.
On That day the only difference between those that believe in Jesus and those who chose not to, will be whether you will have Jesus as the atonement for your sin. Or will you be found without.
For it is appointed, for man to die once , and then the Judgment.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
what a disappointment on cliff he don't believe bible is the Word of GOD...
We can use science to a certain extent but because of who God is, a spiritual being, being all knowing all powerful eternal self existing, omnipresent there is so so much that we can't understand. There is so much about God's greatness His existence that is by so far way beyond what science can prove or understand. Heaven and hell certainly cannot be proven by any scientist but when we trust in Jesus and know that He is completely reliable, we can grow in our faith and trust what He tells us is the truth. But what science does tell us for sure is the incredible complexity of life. How much detail , with all the cells, molecules, all the scientific names for the different particles, building blocks that make up the life of humans, animals, plants flowers and trees. But what science does also show us is that there is incredible order and design in life , and creation. All the different animals, insects, birds, and understanding their purpose and what part they play on this earth. Bees, they ofcourse have their purpose of what they do to make honey. I believe all life has a purpose on this earth. The so many different varieties of animals there are and all unique in design. Would this or would this not point to such an intelligent mind that designed everything. And if we take humans, every single one of us unique, with a slightly different thumb print. We may not see ourselves as unique or important because of how the world is with things like greed, how people treat one another how people are put down, bullied, laughed at, etc, we live In a world where so often people are made to feel worthless, unimportant, unloved, incared for, belittled, spoken about by others- slandering, judging and making assumptions about someone based on their appearance, height, race, colour. A world we live in where ao often our actions can have devastating consequences one others lives because of our wrong choices, sometimes or often destroying the lives of others. The greed of others or often those with alot of money, I'm not saying always but just like the bible says, the love of money is the root to all evil. People want more and more. And especially its so clear we are heading towards a time when we will live by a cashless society. Digital currency. Digital reset, where money will become far less value. So it would make sense that people who are greedy with money and selfish, would be trying to become more rich , for the future. But, as a result, others suffer, hence the starving, poor and homeless. I think so often we don't know who to trust any more.
But those who follow Jesus, we know we can rely and trust in Him for absolutely everything in our lives, most importantly our salvation. God has seen absolutely everything on this earth, past present and future, way way before He created the universe and everything in time, in space. So it would be most wise to turn to Jesus, trust and believe in Him. Repent and confess our sins to God. There might be things we don't want others to know about, but in prayer, it would make sense to confess the truth to God, because He cannot be fooled, He will certainly know if we are being honest or not, He's already seen everything we've ever done, and knows all our thoughts, but because of His incredible love and grace, by sending His only son Jesus as a sacrifice for our sins, after repenting and confessing our sins, He will forgive, because Jesus paid the price, Jesus did what we could never do, on that cross, taking the whole worlds sins upon Himself.
John 14: 6 And Jesus said to them, I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me.
Jesus conquered sin, conquered death, so we could have eternal life. The love Jesus has for us all is truly beyond incredible.
Gospels are reliable? Are you joking? No one knows exactly when the gospels were written, Also Cliffe doesn't address all the inconsistencies and contradictions in the 4 gospels. what happened to Lazarus after Jesus raised him? Seems like that would be a noteworthy piece of news of that day that people would be talking about or asking Lazarus what was death like. What happened to all the dead that rose from the graves when Jesus died. Where did they go? Do they have to die again or do they live forever. What about all the silly magic tricks Jesus is said to have performed - healing the sick, curing blind folks, feeding 5000 with a couple of fish and a loaf of bread. Please, use some logic. We don't need a book to give us morality and tell humans what is right or wrong. Religions were created to control people and calm human fear of death and what comes after.
And having an opinion about people you don't know or spend time with? People who are foreign to you? Different from you and your idea of social norm?
Why can you hate them if you don't know them?
Some situation may come up where you meet them and spend time around them. If you see what they do, ask them why, show them what you do and answer why, you begin to find that "we are all of one blood", just as God's Word tells us.
Acts 17:26
Only thru JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Amen
That last person interact with Cliff is so young but yet arrogant and close minded. He sounded as if the world revolves around him and made a fool of himself with his presupposition that there is no God.
I’ve watched so many of these, I love the way Cliff speaks! It must be sooo frustrating when you gotta hear children with little knowledge argue with the intelligence of Cliff! It’s hilarious but their parents got to be embarrassed lol
Cliffe danced around the question and made assertions with no tangible evidence. Cliffe doesn't comprehend concepts and arguments. That's why he has lost every debate that I have ever seen him in. Cliffe is wack lol, but funny to watch.
Do you prefer slavery (sanctioned by the Jewish bible) or freedom for all? Do you prefer straight sex or gay sex? Do you prefer death by stoning for adultery? Find the answers in the bible.
I am so tired of this argument “ who’s to say the Nazis were wrong?” it’s so dumb - the fact is the Nazis had their morality and we thought it wasn’t a good morality, so we went to war and we won. That’s what happens people on earth have to live with each other, one group may have a differing morality, think that it is better than the other and eventually go to war over it if it gets bad enough, otherwise we come up with more peaceful ways of living, such as laws, legislation, social mores/norms. Hell I bet if I went to Cliff‘s house he have some rules our house home doesn’t hold or care about. He might get really offended if I don’t takeoff my shoes when I walk into his house or think it’s OK to shame people or be passive aggressive to get his way. We let the stuff slide all the time or sometimes we have to confront people. Where are these tricky, I get it having a God just decree what is good or bad is very simple and easy. But unfortunately reality demonstrably doesn’t work this way. The Nazis existed and they had their morality they were magically shunned, stopped, rebuked by a god who said they had the wrong one. We had to do his dirty work
"I have no scientific evidence that love is real" bullshit. The guy who affirmed that it's chemical reactions in our brain was correct, Cliffe was wrong when he proposed it as "well if it's chemical reactions then that would mean I 'have' to love you but that's not my experience, I could love you, I could hate you"- completely wrong. If the chemical reactions in your brain are following a certain course, your experience will not contradict that course, a brain that loves a thing will look differently than a brain that hates that thing. There is no free will, we are witnesses to the events that happen in our brains after the fact, not before or during. An eye that sees light can't 'decide' that it doesn't, it's no different with the brain.
And he's further wrong in saying he's using the word love as Jesus did, that love isn't an emotion but rather a pledge to ensure the well being of others, including enemies. Here's the problem with that, anger IS an emotion. And Jesus gave the impossible order of not even being angry with one's neighbor, because that equates to murder in the heart. Cliffe is all kinds of mixed up in this.
Suffering happens because of free will. All the evil in the world is created by people, not God. Like he said if we are controlled by God then how are we free. We would basically be robots without free will. All the answers we look for are now written in us. Ask yourself the right questions and the answers will present themselves. Sometimes it takes a long time. You might have to learn simpler truths before the big one can be revealed. Patients, accountability, self awareness are a must!
Muhammed Ali when returned from Africa said, "Thank God my grandaddy got on that boat." The morality of only doing good because it will benefit you, and you don't want a society where people do harm to others, is a selfish motivation and at the whim of whatever zeitgeist is currently in place. It is easy to look back at history and say how actions taken in that time was evil. But we don't control how history will pan out. We can't say how evil acts committed now may result in great goodness and flourishing in later generations or how apparent kindness now may lead to a sense of entitlement, apathy, and sloth in later generations. That is why we need to be born again, so regardless of the future results, we will know our actions have been motivated in faithful service to the LORD and to others for the furtherance of HIS kingdom and HIS family and not our own.
Saying love is chemical reactions firing in the brain is like saying an engine is just a bunch of parts connected rotating within a casting and lubricated, driven by combustion, igniting fuel with timed spark in rapid succession.
If that's all it was, every one of them would be successful and they would all be able to produce the horsepower we can measure from the same fuel.
No, some are unsuccessful. Some are unable to produce the horsepower. Some are unable to stay running. While others seem to achieve effortless stoiciometry.
When we love, I believe it takes something from the creator for it is in Him that we live and breathe and have our being. Loving has multiple types. Our creator has displayed the ultimate love.
It's how we can finish the race, keep the faith, and receive His free gift to us.
The majority of these people don’t realize that they have their moral conscience because of God’s influence over generations and it’s impact on culture but they are convinced it’s entirely a result of who they are (apart from God, in their eyes). Self-glorifying
Everyone wants to use logic
*UNTIL*
A real one asks did God create existence. Our minds, eyes, ears, tongues, Words. Or did it just come out of nothingness.
I am not convinced objective morality exists. There are only objective ways to meet a subjective goal. For the Christian, the subjective goal is the teachings of the Christian God, for the Muslim it is the teachings of Allah and for the Hindu it is the belief in Dharma. Given there is currently no direct access to the supernatural or proof the supernatural even exists, these religions rely on their holy books to guide them and so humans must subjectively interpret these holy books. Divine command theory offers the illusion of certainty with the comfort of simplicity and has no explanatory power. Secular humanists can have several tenets at their core including human well being, human flourishing, the avoidance of pain, health is preferable to sickness and life is generally preferable to death. In all of these systems there is occasional conflict and, as I pointed out earlier, many Christians have different opinions with respect to abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, war, wealth and poverty, divorce, racism, homosexuality, corporal punishment, suicide, etc. When conflict occurs, Christians sit down together and discuss the best way to resolve them using the bible as a guide knowing that the bible is subject to interpretation. Because we are all human, conflicts can’t always be resolved and occasionally there is the splintering of churches, the loss of friends, etc. Similarly, secular humanists use empathy, logic and a rational consideration of the consequences of their actions to guide them. When conflict occurs, secular humanists sit down and discuss the best solution but again, conflict can’t always be resolved. Some fear mongering Christians believe that, without this non-demonstrable “objective morality”, we will all run around raping and murdering each other. Ridiculous. The things we see happening in the world today are not the result of secular humanism - these people have no moral code at all and have essentially opted out of morality entirely. There is some overlap in all of these moral systems and that is what Christians conflate with objective morality. For example, we all believe rape and murder is immoral. The one thing we all have in common, however, is that we are all human and we share space - it is this that we should rally around. To spend time convincing non-believers in the supernatural existence of the Christian god but to discount all other alleged supernatural experiences and beliefs is wasteful.
Nothing he said equates to the existence of gods. Everything you heard you equated to your need of a god. Break this stuff down without preconceptions.
EDIT. I aint coming back here, don`t reply, treat it as a personal exercise
Evolution has directed the human species as a whole to be empathetic towards one-another, or at least to be empathetic towards members of our own tribes. This is because we are a social species that has evolved to rely on each other for our survival. If we were not empathetic, we could not coexist and our species would fail to exist as it does today.
When I assess my values on why I think other people should be treated kindly, it's because I know that I want to be treated kindly. I know that I want the people I care for to be treated kindly. The best way to ensure that happens, is to establish a social contract where everyone agrees to treat everyone kindly. It's not because a god has commanded me to act kindly.
12:31 that kids friends worry too much It is pointless to worry about tomorrow let alone the future. Because Nobody has tomorrow promise.
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:34
Proverbs 10:11
The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Is disrespectful order to kill childrens like in (number 31-7.18) when God told Moises
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.