8.3 Cummins Threw a Rod in a Combine [EP2]
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Hey deboss I'm gonna be building one of my dream trucks. Its a 1978 chevy k20 dually. I want to put you're sticker on the back window
You're shirt about setting the valves is a good idea. I like it
It spun a bearing which produces enough heat that weakens the rod bolt and it stretches, looseness the rod nut or nuts usually the one on the downward side of the rotation which lets the rod cap separate can snap the other bolt in the vid I can see that the crack end of the rod looks darkened which indicates spun rod bearing under load and when the cap came off the crank hits the other side of the rod causing the rod to be bent like it was. Possible the cap came off can the rod stayed near the top of travel then being hit by the crank .
those p-pumps dont really need the timing pin. They can be easily rotated and just show the tooth in the hole. that along with the springs that help drive the thing you don't really need to worry about that tooth getting it out of alignment. If you ask me that little plastic pin is only good for giving you a headache when they break after you forget to take them out, then you're forced to take the heavy ass pump back off and drain the oil is shake it upside down over your head until it falls out. 😫
@deboss garage do you know how I can find a 12 valve cummins for my 84 chevy? Right now I'm trying to invest in my uncles 1999 dodge ram 1500 as a daily driver
All of you guys hustling for your dreams and putting it on youtube is more valuable than most school education
Kind of weird to think that likely all secondary education will be online, most likely through VR. Pretty cool
We all want at what takes decades to build up for ourselves but few are willing to take the steps necessary to bring it to fruition. I have chosen the green industry because there Is a little bit of everything. Chainsaws Bobcats trucks mowers yadah yadah. It's going to take some time to build up. I want I want I want but you have to work work work!
@@DEBOSSGARAGE Ive learned more watching youtubers than school. By probably a factor of 10. Its the only reason i earn a wage. And even better, i like watching!
“I convinced Kevin to buy this truck engine because I needed this nut for another engine” 😂😂😂 I laughed so hard at that
Any decent Machinist could have fabricated a new nut for you in an hour. Gotta be a Millennial.....
Raymond Edge well he’s 47 and not a machinist
Hi I love your profile
@@RockChunker266 You must be fun at parties.
Power ranges from 8.3 to 400 hp
I understand maybe between 10 - 20% of what you arr saying. I am, however, fascinated 100% of the time. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, and for your captivating way of explaining things. I am enjoying your channel very much.
I love Kevin's comment: "So when I first herd knocking i shouldve shut it off, grabbed my Metric Adjustable and tightened that up" lol
So let's see Bloomberg teach us what this farmer does to keep the farm going since it's sooooo easy.
Kind of being a devil's advocate but he said tech when comparing, not to be rude but it takes a hell of a lot more knowledge to engineer a processor at intel/amd than farming...and I come from a fairly decent size farming family.
@@StrangelyIronic can't disagree but it's just like saying all you do all day long is push buttons, I could hire an expiramental chimpanzee on acid to do that. Oversimplifying someone's pride in a know it all manner as if he's been there, done that is the critcism
@@StrangelyIronic Bloomberg states farming is "a process that he could teach anyone," while stating the information industries require people to "think and analyze." Bloomberg is an elitist that doesn't realize it's a different knowledge set for both, and he demeans the entire Midwest with his comment, suggesting that farming is a mindless task that anyone can do. Drop the slick silicon valley guy that built the processor onto a farm and he'll be just as clueless as the farmer in silicon valley. Bloomberg is way out of touch with the lives of Midwesterners, as are the vast majority of politicians/people these days.
Strangely Ironic I disagree with you’re statement. It does in fact take a certain skill set to engineer a processor than be a farmer, that I agree with. But as a farmer and as a mechanical engineer, I see both sides, to an extent. Farming and engineering are both vast field with many different skill and knowledge requirements. I know a lot about growing a crop, I know a lot about keep the farm going. I also know what it takes to design and build machines from scratch. Someone from a farming background makes much better designs and equipment than someone from a suburb. I’m not tooting my own horn, I’m a younger guy, but I work with older engineers that farm too. Learned a lot from those guys, learned a lot from the farm, way more than any school school will ever teach you.
ON THE 7th DAY GOD CREATED FARMERS THEN REALIZED THEY NEEDED FERTILIZER , SO HE THEN CREATED THE POLITICIANS ..
I have a 1990 CIH 1660 combine that had a reman 8.3 engine in it. Story I was told was 1990 was the first year the 8.3 Cummins was used in place of the IH DT466. As such Cummins initiated a big recall of engines in the combines & paid for the labor & a replacement engine. They were short block replacements & used most of the bolt on parts from the original engine or new bolt on parts were used. With respect to the engine in my combine, no thread locker (loctite) or a mechanical thread locket was used on the engine oil pump & as a result the 4 attachment bolts backed out & the oil pump disengaged. Smoked the motor. I replaced the 8.3 Cummins w/ a 1979 DT 436 out of my old IH 1460 combine. I have harvested the past 2 seasons w/ no problems. Pretty straight forward swap. Better fuel economy for sure.
I’m impressed with that floor
Me too first weekend my floor is at a normal temperature I'm doing it.
You won't regret it
@@DEBOSSGARAGE In the spring on your Facebook I will post a before and after my floor is very pitted from salt and working on projects. I need to make a grinding box also my floor to house was a giant orange rust path my wife was not impressed with that.
When is the first Burnout on the New floor?
looks like my local home depot store floor, nice
5:13 You got me there for a sec "We're trying to find out how many CCs this bowl is but unfortunately the syringe is in milliliters" 😂
But was it 4C in the shop? They might be 1-2% off!
Oooooh, killing that new floor shine doing tractor burnouts!
Back in the 50's my old man had a Chrysler car and the motor went so he got a 225 out of an Oliver combine and he got the biggest kick out of buying and gas and getting the oil checked because of the look on the attendants faces when they saw the green motor and reacted with 'WTF is that?' He also bought 'rebuilt' motors with a fence post where the piston should have been
Norm That was what was termed a big block 318 , mostly an industrial engine.
Some say, he is actually the AVE, and if you show him Cummins 5.9 picture, he takes it to bathroom.
No way he could fake sounding like a normal human unlike AVE
Ave also lives in BC, not much else is known...
I know who AVE is through some searching (I'm local to him)....that's not him.
@@tdhessg16 I want to see his face so bad
@@thomasbarlow4223 why? give the man privacy.
ill never need to set 8.3 valves but if im wearing that shirt at the track im sure ill get some double takes lol! off to the merch store.
Damn that powerstroke comment got me right in the gut! Doing HG on mine right meow!
Murphy was at work in their oil pan doing his handy work as he always does
Its great to see you guys maintaining your sense of humour while doing serious work. Good job!!!!!!!!! Nice floor.
Life's too short to be grumpy!
Ahhhhhh lunch time and deboss. Perfect combo
Farmer guy is hilarious
he's good, a real natural on camera.
This is classic Deboss Garage. Is what I like about this channel. Really enjoyed it. Thank you
This is the most enjoyable video this week for me. Well done.
fun fact, the Case 1680 combines with 8.3 Cummins were prone to dropping valves because they never regeared the combine when going from Case engine to Cummins. Case 8.3 was fine at 2700 rpm but that was the very limit of the Cummins so after a few thousand hours valve springs say nope and then you get to replace the engine.
I always thought that DeBoss Garage was out near my cousins place, never thought I would accually see him in one your videos.
When I saw you pullin a CaseIH, I thought it must be Kevin in the mix somewhere. Most farmers around here are into the green stuff. Good on Kevin. He has a mind of his own
Off work for the week, a glass of wine and watching the latest De Boss video-perfect combination!!. Thanks for the video Rich 👍
Always interesting, enjoying your work is important. Learn something new everyday ! Love those improvised tools and the part numbers, hilarious !
One thing that astonishes me is how I came to this channel for Quattro Debocho however the shenanigans and the wealth of knowledge that you have Rich keeps me coming back for more.
Quattro DeBocho is coming back this summer in an awesome way. Stick around a bit longer.
DEBOSS GARAGE Now that I will definitely be looking forward to mate, I love that car and all of the episodes about it too so I don’t think even an army will keep me away from your channel.
The content has such a great variation and that along with your sense of humour make this one of my most favourite channels on here.
The combustion chamber in the piston reminds me of a gun with a very short barrel. The high tech explanation's are the best part...
I would like to see you someday before I die cram a 8.3 in a pickup.
They come in 550 gmc Kodiak
I would think pullin truck guys would be doing it if it’s worth the effort
@@jeremyhanna3852 no they didn't.😂 The kodiak/topkick only ever used cat, isuzu, and duramax diesel engines. With vortec for the gas motor.
@@punkrocker10115 pretty sure deboss took one of a kodiak to put in a combine
@@jeremyhanna3852 I'm 100% sure you're wrong. Literally a simple google search will tell you that. GM has NEVER used a cummins engine in any of there products.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Kodiak
That's the first time I have seen that, the problem is usually the loose nut between the steering wheel and the drivers seat
mechanical stig knows his stuff!
I feel Im watching pakastani truck Canadian edition.
They would've reused the head gasket .
lmao i watch that channel too, did you see the video where they rebuild the batteries barehanded ?
@@stevesai1126 they just the other day put up a second one.
Wanna see another idiot? Look up send it Steve or as I call him BIPOLAR Steve. Watch the f450 second axle frame stretch. LOL
Great vid Rich! Never knew the 8.3 Cummins had displacement on demand...lol. 😂😂
Been using a stone on heads and blocks for years. Works fantastic. This makes me miss engine building. Need a new project haven't done an engine in about 5 years now.
Nothing better than DEBOSS GARAGE on a Saturday morning 👍
My Dad used to loosely wrap a sheet of aluminum window screen with zip ties around the alternator to keep the wheat chaff out.
Oil change in 5 easy steps
Remove oil plug, let drain, remove filter, reinstall plug and new filter, check piston rod nuts, re fill with oil
Man Deboss basically lived my life up to the point he actually invested in a home and shop. Man i should have tried a bit harder. Then again life is short on this rock hurtling through the universe. Money, societal norms none of that actually matters AT ALL.
Also Harbour Freight cherry pickers are the best for the cost. 100 usd for a 1ton is all u ever need
My 5.7 TBI spun a bearing and with the 4 extra small blocks I have I’m doing the same thing you guys are and straining the bottom end! Thankfully it’s a lot more compatible and easier. Anyways love the content keep it up.
Brilliant work thanks for the content
Edited I would love to see you put a Cummins 8.3 litre engine in either a car or a pickup truck
Clayton Pope I am not sure but I should imagine a 3/4 ton drivetrain or something out of a semi but I am sure they will figure it out if they do it but if they do and get it to work start up and drive and maybe do a burnout now that would be epic
6BT is about as big as you would want to go in a light duty passenger vehicle. After that, no gain as it’s more engine than car
What happened : injector release pressure too low (dirty tip/worn tip) or high (sticky needle) will change the injection timing,create a huge load on the rod bearing because most of the time,its spray pattern is very ugly.
bearing will fail,because suffer from pressure peaks at each injection event.
Cranck fatigue,because of the twisting force created by one cylinder wich is working non synchro with others.
Its like a snake swallowing a house cat..lol fitting that combineI in your shop.. love the autopsy
I wonder how many people are wondering what's the difference between a metric and standard 90°. Love it.
Best part of videos is cat at end. Looking forward to next part of combine engine swap.
somebody told the engine, that it was a powerstroke, so it committed suicide, lol.
alvars dzenis lmao
Well case international did make the powerstrokes and helped with the isb
@@jdrok5026 let me clear a few things up for you. The first engine to bear the Power Stroke name, the 7.3L Power Stroke V8 is the Ford version of the Navistar T444E turbo-diesel V8. Introduced in 1994 as the replacement for the 7.3L IDI V8, the Power Stroke/T444E is a completely new engine, with only its bore and stroke dimensions common with its predecessor (resulting in its identical 444 cu in (7.3 L) displacement). In line with the IDI diesel, the Power Stroke was offered in three quarter ton and up versions of the Ford F-Series/Ford Econoline product ranges.
In 1981 Ford signed an agreement with International Harvester to produce diesel engines for their light truck line. This led directly to the production of the 6.9-liter IDI diesel. The engine is developed as a low cost, light weight diesel that fit where a V8 gas engine would, to try to convert their gas engine customers to diesel and to sell to Ford for use in F-Series light duty trucks and E-Series/Econoline vans. Before it could be sold to Ford however, Tenneco Inc. purchased in the "Harvester" division of International Harvester which was moved within their Case heavy equipment line. The remainder of what was International Harvester was renamed Navistar, which concentrated on engine and medium/heavy truck development. Consequently, these are actually International-Navistar IDI engines.
so, no case never made any diesel engine for the case/ih combine. they farm it out, just like everyone else.
@@alvarsdzenis4739 well case was apart of international. Ik the deal with international/navistar it was a joke you calm down now
@@jdrok5026 case was part of the harvester part of ih. they never had anything to do with international or navistar that made the engines. you can spew different if you want, but facts are facts regardless of your opinion. try reading what i wrote. it's all fact and your opinion will never be correct unless you learn. i didn't mean to own you too, but if you insist. do some homework before you speak, or you'll get owned over and over.
KNOCK KNOCK!!!!!
Who’s there?
Roddny 🦾☠️
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The background of the clean shop really makes for better viewing
I'm doing my best!
Best channel on TH-cam. IMO
Had a N14 Cummins do the exact same thing to me at 3am loaded with 23ton of hot asphalt paving a 4 lane highway. The mechanic who’s also part owner of the company check the truck over with me before I left for the shift which was the only thing that saved me from getting fired. Went from running awesome to a jack hammer to ejecto rod bearing threw the block side in under a minute and the holes on the cap were still machine shop clean.
Great job fellas, That's what we need to get the farm machinery up and running. It's going to be a busy season.
I use a number of medical instruments when I get into an unusual problem on my engine. For instance I bought a pair of surgical pliers used to install a pin into a leg bone and join the two parts together. The guy I bought them from was a midiCal instrument salesman. It is made of stainless steel and does not twist or bend. This was one of his samples which sold for $300 new.The jaws are at a thirty degree angle to the handles. I have been able to reach really strange places around my engine such as the rear row of spark plug wires which require you to pull the intake manifold without this surgical tool. I have a collection of dental picks also a very handy 8" wide bone saw which cuts like a scalpel.
That dentist pick info is one of the coolest things I’ve ever heard 🤘😦
Testing the floor by doing a burnout with he tractor now that's my kind of testing 😂
No hiding what goes on in the shop. Shoving a skid across the floor.....
LOL at the pick comment - that actually happened to me, dental pick snapped off while they were poking around really hard and stabbed me in the tongue!
I think your right about the nut off the bearing cap bolt.It happens on 2 stroke single cylinder engines
quite sure those two need to do more engine builds together :)))))
On the combine alternator, you can get a screen shield to put on the rear of the alternator to keep trash out. I don’t know whether it is a Case IH part number or a Case New Holland part number.
My cousin thinks that that screen is a Gleaner part number.
One thing I don't own is a combine. Looks like it would be fun to drive for about 5 minutes. Nice job with the video
Pressing the oil pan was awesome
Hilarious! And the set valve shirt...I about spit my coffee!
We aim to please! It's not good enough until it comes out your nose though
Kubota needed help pulling on that polished cement floor. Nice new tractor!
This is best series in a while!
It's always great to watch graduates from the Amish university of mechanical engineering showing off their knowledge and skills
Cummins engine going to a certain skid factory in Australia?
Its at the end of a skid factory vid. Some big orange things in wooden crates turn up at old cock's
@@duncharvst yeah, remember seeing that but didn't realise it came from deboss- makes sense though.
And I thought I was getting involved swapping engines in my impala! It was a spectacular failure though, it dropped a valve seat and destroyed itself
Engine failed because some kid with a Cummins with a trash can for exhaust tip was rolling coal some where. Every time you do that some where a Cummins dies .. just remember save Cummins lives by not being a tool. A message from all non tool Cummins owners
Amen.
So if theres no exhaust resistance = Cummins goes bye bye?
@@ToreDL87 that's not how that works. Rolling coal isnt a good thing bud
They don't put 8.3s in pickups
@@andrewn8788 Nah it's like saying every time you step on a crack you break your mother's back. Some kid rolled coal so this 8.3 died.
They make an update kit for those alternators that has a cover and a hose with a filter on the end to prevent that also after I power wash them I run them to get the water out of the bearings and regrease them to push the remaining water and old grease out
Been looking forward to this Rich!
you could have done a whole episode on getting that thing in the garage
We have a 4 cylinder camshaft and a 6 cylinder engine 😂😂
I’m paranoid about loose nuts now. I’m going to go check every single one on my Massey. I already got rid of the nylon oil pressure tube.
They're all safety wired on my Franklin 6A-350
Wire locked rod bolts mmm. I had to rebuild a pre ww2 straight 8 and it had wire locked rod bolts where one had come loose and spun the rod bearing. It cost me a fortune so now if I come across some I use 7471 primer then add some 272 to the nut. Still torque them to the recommended setting but you cant mess around it goes off pretty quickly. The only prob is when they need to be removed you will need a torch. I make a note on the block behind the flywheel with a paint pen for the next sucker.
Good tip would be to add about a drop of dish soap per liter of water, then use that solution to check the bowl displacement
Fascinating. And very interesting, the knowledge you guys have on diesels.
That valve shirt is dope 😆
Good straight pipe sound
The only “big” shop building on the tube that actually uses the bigness of the shop
I used the bigness a lot more before TH-cam when it regularly had excavators and bulldozers in it.
20:12 we have that joke about a metric adjustable where I work
We call them an "Alabama metric"
Trying to find a new car to drive, ahh something to make the day brighter just popped up! Thanks for the video! Grabbing my.coffe to watch now!!!
sometime it happens due to metal chemistry. I will give you one example when similar/different thing happened. GM 5.7 gas engine ran for 964k miles and failed without reaching 1 million miles. Cause of failure is valve keeper broke and entire engine got destroyed. This 5.7 was never been opened or repaired, 25k miles oil changes and water pumps as needed.
350s rock! Simple and strong
Just use some JB Weld to put the block pieces back together
Was hoping to watch how you pulled the injectors out. Having trouble with mine
Have a Nissan. Rod bolts feel out onto the windage tray. Still had the thread locker on it. Bolts still in one piece just slightly bent.
Oh man I’m really happy you got that CSA approval I was scared for your safety at first
Woah woah my 7.3 has all those head bolts
Just putting salt in the wounds of all the 6.0 and 6.4 owners!
@@DEBOSSGARAGE Definitely all fun and games running around cummins/7.3s until you have chocolate milk for coolant
DEBOSS GARAGE my 6.0 has 220k with stock head gaskets and head bolts. I run an atlas 40 FICM tune and Gearhead Performance Extreme SRL and XX Full Fuel tunes through an Edge CTS2 Pro. Never had any issues.
@@Kenny22852 You're very lucky because like a 5.4 they can have issues from 20k miles and on
Conor timm I guess I did get a good one. It has been awesome!
This is the best of TouTube! Hilsen Karstein from Norway. SKÅL!
That cc ml conversion is a pain in the arse!
what the hell is 1 x1?
@@DEBOSSGARAGE I'm from the metrikistan! 😂😂😂😂 Chances are a lot of people didn't got it!
Yeah our 3rd season NH CX8080 dumped a piston and shrapnel out after over fueling which we found out that run of Iveco motors had a "wee" problem with, very expensive crate motor.
Lil baby kubota puttin in work!
I know my dad, while working at a CAT dealer, always complained about torquing the head bolts on the c15's I think . They are what 330 ft/lb
GmJunky87 Go to the bottom and do the rods and mains !!!!
I have a real hard time just doing the top end and not the rest of it. It’s like installing a grenade in the combine with a random fuse!
But if you’re willing to spend the time the risk may be worth it...
Greg Madden I agree with you , we figured it out one day , the torque on the mains was over 1000ftlbs on the 3406s .
Maybe he was talking about the mains . I'll have to ask him . I know he was wore the hell out when he was done . 🤣
Yeah pop said it was the mains, said you have to torque them then go 90 degrees
Some times you can get the ESN for the engine off the block on the top of the oil cooler cavity.
You guys are hilarious. Here in the states we never do a metric 90 degrees. :)
Drag racing, he got that sneaky Pete setup in it
27:37 When I nod my head, you hit it.
I always watch this channel and also Lord Muck. You know both these guys are passionate about the subject. He said he got his Milwaukee 3/8 after watching Rich's review.
If you want to see the coolest flamethrower ever, grab one of those tester rigs and put a big rig injector in it, then set a map gas blow torch at the end of it and crank the handle. BIG FIRE!
Good video Deboss your floor looks amazing shop looks great
Everyone is all about wearing gloves these days and then there's these boys 🤣
I want an 8.3 swapped truck. Not to hot rod but to run for a long long long time. It’s kinda like replacing a small block with a big block.
Cummins seem to be know for this, have a buddy who put an inspection hole in his block on cylinder 1 same problem bolt came loose and done.
I've got a buddy, worst farm mechanic we know.
On two separate occasions he has gone to change the oil. Then forgot to replace that oil before he started it.
It still runs.
And old Klisby told me that when you're torquing down a 3406 cat you do the final head torque, go home, come back in the morning and torque it again. From experience building cats, hes right.
I do that anyway on every engine I build. Takes an extra day but never had one come back yet. Torquing a head is definitely a job that should be treated as methodical and not rushed.