Burnin' Bridges: Slaughter VS. Vinnie Vincent
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- Join my buddy Jeremy and I as we debate the Vinnie Vincent Invasion album "All Systems Go" against Slaughter's "Stick It To Ya." Jeremy and VVI against The Guru and Stick It To Ya--it's a no holds barred battle... check it out!
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VVI > Slaughter. I remember making the conscience decision to make the VVI the first CD I ever bought. Ashes to Ashes is awesome!
All Systems Go for me.
Without looking it up, 6-pack of your fav brew emailed to the first person who can name the song played backwards on the Ashes To Ashes intro.
Without looking... shit, I don't know.
One of the albums that make me.fall in love this music was VVI - All system ago so thats my choice.
In Vinnie's defense, he's done 3 or 4 things since "All Systems Go" - he wrote with KISS for "Revenge" (4 songs: 2 singles, 1 album cut, & 1 demo), he released the "Euphoria" EP made up of 4 tunes that were from "Guitarmageddon", and released the "Speedball Jam" archive CD (the last 2 were released independently and for exorbitant prices). He also did a lot of appearances around 1995 at European KISS expos. But you guys are right in that he's not done any albums or performance tours.
And "Guitarmageddon" was recorded in like 1991 or 92. It's been in the can for 30 years.
I personally prefer the first VVI record over all of it. I like the songs. I know Mark didn't sing on it, but Robert is (still to this day) a really great singer. "Stick it to ya" maybe second.
Both albums are great, in my opinion. Tim Kelly's style of playing was way different than VV. Stick it to Ya, has Mark singing more of a different vibe than he did when he was in Invasion. He was more aggressive sounding with Invasion.
There were a couple remasters of All Systems Go. The first one was released by Zoom Club in 2001. It has the full 5:35 version of "Love Kills", but no bonus tracks.
The 2nd remaster was released by Chysalis/Capitol in 2003. It has the bonus tracks "The Meltdown" and "Ya Know I'm Pretty Shot", but the version of "Love Kills" is edited down to 4:38. The solo was shortened and the lines "loves dying sin is just dust in the wind. I face the other side of no tomorrow" are removed along with a couple lines from the first verse.
As far as I'm aware, both remasters along with the original have the Star Spangled Banner intro to Let Freedom Rock.
That said, I lean towards Vinnie Vincent here. Personally, I'm not a fan of "Naughty Naughty". I like ballads better than the ones on Stick It To Ya and the rockers I feel have more energy. Then again, it could be because I always tend towards the underdog.
Good to see Jeremy back for another awesome episode! Between the two albums, I have to go with "Stick It to Ya," but I really like "All Systems Go" too. I personally just think the Slaughter album has more classic songs. Either way, you can't go wrong with either album, and it was cool hearing both of your perspectives. I look forward to more of these "versus" videos!
Thank you so very much for your support. It is such an honor to have an opportunity to discuss this music and know there are people who haven't turned their backs on this genre. Thanks again.
I need to listen to both these albums again. Stick it to ya is a killer album. Hair metal masterpiece. All Systems Go i remember not liking when i first heard it but no recollection on why that was. Been god knows how long since i heard it so its time to listen to it, study it and give it a actual opinion. I have to go with Slaughter on this one. Fly To The Angels is one of my favorite ballads. SLAUGHTER RULEZ
I saw the VV Invasion live opening for maiden. Also have seen Slaughter 3 times. Both good, but I will Take VVI in this battle.
This is James Anthony I have both Vinnie Vincent albums I like them both I don't love them but I will say Love Kills is one of my favorite ballads but I agree with you Slaughter has the better album with Stick It To Ya I saw Slaughter live they killed it Anthony I have to say something I normally don't say about a TH-cam channel but I feel your channel is the best on TH-cam I get so much entertaiment and enjoyment out of it and I learn alot and you have gotten me into so many bands like Mcqueen ST and Wildside and Stagedolls and Company Of Wolves but anyway and everybody you have on your show is aswome I talk to Bryan on twitter he rules to I know ive said this before thank you for everything you do the great content you put out is amazing you have made me love this music even more today thank you for absolutley everything my brother
That VVI all systems go had like 2 songs,not even close,
Team VVI all the way
Lets go! Best metal channel on TH-cam!!!
Dude, I appreciate this comment more than I could even tell you. Seriously.
I was in my favorite record store at my now demolished mall . It was the Record Bar . They had a wicked stereo set up , with big ass Harmon Kardon house speakers in all 4 corners of the relatively small store . They would have a now playing marque thing .. I was in there the day they cranked Stick It To Ya .. it was what a 12 year old kid wanted . Hot broad on cover , and just hooks like a tackle box . I dug the Wild Life as well .
I liked All Systems Go. Didn't get into Slaughter, which is weird, same singer. His voice didn't bother me with VVI. Later on, it became nails on chalkboard for me.
'All Systems Go' is a great album. I remember buying it when I was still in high school. I already had the self-titled debut since I've always been a big fan of guitar so when the follow-up came I got it right away. I was initially a little disappointed since I was expecting another heavy guitar-based record, but I grew to love it after a few listens due to the melodic tracks. Regarding the ballads 'Love Kills' and 'That Time of Year' are my favorites. 'Ectsacy''s beginning is kind of cringy for me, but once it gets going it's fine. With all of this being said I love Slaughter as well. Slaughter is the better band overall since they continued putting out great albums over the years. I played the heck out of 'Stick It To You' when it was new. The acoustic 'Fly to the Angels' that focuses on Mark's voice is outstanding. I actually listen to the later albums more now though than the debut since I prefer them. A lot of people don't like the 'Revolution' album but it's still really good if you give it a chance. The ballads are really good. 'Heaven It Cries' actually features a Bible verse from the book of Isaiah which is really cool. 'Can We Find a Way' is really melodic and catchy.
I thought Revolution was a cool album as well. It just feels like summertime party vibes. The Rocky Mountain Way cover is great, too.
@@jeremylauer2939 I like how different it sounds compared to the other albums. The atmosphere and everything. 'In the Heat of the Moment', 'Stuck on You', 'Hard to Say Goodbye', as well as the cover 'Rocky Mountain Way'. Great tunes!
Anything Slaughter did was a million times better than anything Vinnie Vincent ever did. The fact they shared band members is the only connection they have. Vinnie was an overrated guitar player. I play guitar too and Vinnie was a good player and songwriter sure but top 5 80’s band guitarist? Not even close. Vito Bratta, Warren Demartini, George Lynch, Mick Mars, Snake Sorbo, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Reb Beech, John Sykes, and Tracii Guns are all better and that’s off the top of my head.
Those are some great shredders. No doubt about it.
The dyed goatee gives off magician vibes
Finally, someone understands what I'm going for...
I’m a loser because Spend my Life is my favorite slaughter song on the first record. Times they change is my favorite song on the second record.
The ending of Times They Change gives me such a strange feeling. It evokes emotions every time I hear it.
I absolutely loved Vinnie's contributions to KISS, and I absolutely loved the first VVI album - it makes my top 50 albums of al time. So OTT. I was disappointed in the follow up - a few good songs but not enough guitar!!! The Slaughter album, I enjoyed at the time but have fallen out with it since. Its average at best. And I'm not a fan of Slaughter's voice at all. I do like the ballads on ASG, but it needed better songs around them. There are a few I love but most aren't memorable enough and I think that's down to the production and lack of mental guitar. Vinnie was obviously trying to be respected more as a guitarist.
Great points on all fronts. It's nice to hear so many perspectives about these albums.
Ashes to Ashes is better than the entire Stick It To Ya album put together.
I haven’t listened to Stick It To Ya since the 90s . Mark is not my favorite singer… I can take him is small doses. I’ve never heard much of VVI. I listened to both albums a few times. Stick It To Ya is much better than I remember and I had a blast listening to it. It is the superior album. The songs are soooo much better. As a guitar player, I think that Tim Kelly was meh as far as lead breaks go, but a good song doesn’t have to have guitar gymnastics.
Now, VVI . Well….it starts off good . Ashes to Ashes is great opener. Burn is good and so is Love Kills. Let Freedom Rock is fun, but that’s about it for me… the other songs are weak.
As far as VV’s playing goes, he can definitely shred, but I’m not sure that his solos really served the songs. A lot of it was noise. If a want to hear a flurry of notes done well, there’s Roni LeTekro of TNT.
Anthony, I have to agree that the lovey dovy shit had worn out its welcome fast.
I like All Systems Go but Stick It To Ya is the superior album
True, Vinnie Vincent Invasion was not a very successfull but I think it is unique what he achieved with this band. Let's name guitar players who had played in successfull bands left the band start thier own band and had success. Only Richie Blackmore in the last 50 years.. John Sykes for one album with Blue Murder? Maybe. Dave Mustaine and Yngwie Malmsteen could be they have a bit different story. Not so many.
I can explain why they released two ballads and didn't follow the formula of rock song first, then ballad. They were going to release Ashes to Ashes as the first single, but Kingdom Come released "Get It On" just before and Kingdom Come started getting heat that they were a Led Zep rip off... the label decided not to release Ashes to Ashes because "Get It On" was already out and the label was worried that VV would be seen not only as another Led Zep rip off, but a Kingdom Come knock off because of the Zep influence that can be heard on that track. Vinnie talked about this in an interview and apparently he went ballistic over this. He said he thought the album failed, partly, because they didn't release Ashes to Ashes first.
Thank you so much for clarifying that. Thar is good to finally know the reasoning.
Slaughter smashes VVI. Worst on both albums is You are the one by slaughter, cannot stand it.
Up All Night and Fly to the Angels were played out for me after about two weeks in 1990. I was off the Slaughter bandwagon not long after that. Mark's falsetto killed the band for me. I prefer Robert Fleischman over Mark so All Systems Go isn't even my favorite VVI album.
Thanks for your comments. VVI had some killer tunes. He has a few raw tracks with Fleischman on TH-cam, if you want to check them out.
As a guitar player, I have to disagree strongly that VV is a top 5 virtuoso. I can name 20 guitar players off the top of my head better than him. All he is is fast. He may be one of the fastest, but his solos are just diarrhea that are fast as possible for the sake of being fast. Most sound terrible with zero direction or any real composition. . He's a great song writer, can fly on the fret board, but one of the worst guitar-solo writers ever in metal… and his lead tone sucked. For a guy obsessed with his solos, you’d think he would have listened to his own lead tone and realized it sounded like a dull razor blade against a trash can llid.
You are 100 percent right ill pick a sloppy kirk hammet over a technically superior dave mustain any day, its all about feeling to me and vv sucked
Vinnie Vincent is the sloppiest player that ever made it. He just threw a million notes at a wall and hoped something would stick. What stuck was garbled trash mostly
I agree with his poor solo tone. Especially on the first album. I wish he would have dedicated more time to his solo patches.
I mean dana strum found randy rhoads..he's been around a while
Randy was never lost, he was in QR, and they had 2 albums in Japan. You do mean Dana introduced Randy to a drunk named Ozzy.
Other than a few songs Slaughter never did anything for me.
I will say that the one time i saw them live(vince neil Motley Cruise 07) Mark might ve been the best vocalist have ever heard in person. That includes Halford,Dickinson,Dokken others. Just effortless Range,sustain,tone & stamina. The VVI Live footage w Mark? Vox not so great.
I prefer VVI’s Meaner thicker wall of sound riffage & unique production approach. Alot of those ASG songs are Iconic despite the modest success
Well lsaid, well said. Mark was truly a generational voice and talent while in his prime.
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i thought all of this shit was written by dana strum and mark slaughter not sure about vinny's song writing
Vinnie wrote most of the VVI material. His strength as a songwriter is fairly well acknowledged by most people he worked with--he wrote with KISS on the Lick It Up and Revenge albums.
Wtf???
Dude.
Is it going to be on the onlyfans? 😂
@@jaybos1114 Hopefully.
@@HairMetalGuru419let’s break it down:
The back rubs.
Vinnie Vincent is in top 5 guitarist in the genre.
That poem…
All WTF moments. And I’m only 10 minutes in…
@@jaybos1114Thanks to that, Guru is putting my kid through college.
“All systems go”is a horrible album but the debut is amazing 🤘 the vvi debut does everything better x10 compared to all systems go
The reason why love kills wasn’t a hit was because it’s just not good or memorable
Music is subjective, my man.
@@HairMetalGuru419 it is 💯 😁🤘
Only the first vv album was good. Mark slaughter has a voice you either love of hate. For me it's a hate thing.