Bands That Changed Their Sound... Did It Work? An Analysis...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, my buddy Trevor and I go over 10 Hard rock/hair metal albums in which bands changed their sound. We discuss the change and decide... did the change work or not? Come along for the ride!
I’m born and raised in Seattle and so the 90s Grunge movement is dear to my heart…but I still genuinely enjoy KISS’s Carnival of Souls because Paul Stanley is such a good songwriter. Is it the best in their catalog? No. But if you sit down and listen to the songs, they are very good and way better than what people give them credit for.
Metal Jesus watches the Guru??! Awesome! Got to meet you at SCRGE 2019. Guru's gotta get you on the channel
Hey, I'm a KISS fanatic. I've done a couple videos strictly on the band. That being said, I just can't get into Carnival of Souls... and trust me, I tried. I would've loved to have seen them continue in the vein of Revenge--one of my favorite Kiss albums of all time. Hey, man, appreciate you watching and supporting the channel, seriously.
Thanks again for having me . I never tell whats in the party cup ! Plenty more albums to talk about as well 😁🤘
You were great dude! I enjoyed hearing your perspective as a younger metal dude. That was fun 🤘
love the dimension you added to this video.
@@patrickreeves4650 I appreciate it Patrick 🤘 cheers!
You were a good guest,hope to see ya on here again.
@@TMINE100 thank you , hopefully sooner than later 👀😁🤘
Gonna throw 1995s 'Change' from Pink Cream 69 out there as an album that went grungy and featured a new singer as one that I really like. Light of Day has some crunchy, pitchy guitar riffs that I think are really cool. New Control has some really cool hard hitting riffs and vocals. And Only the Good is a great mellow tune that shouldn't work as well as it does on an album like this. This is by far PC69's least revered album but one I always go back to. Their next album Food for Thought was great too and if you only listen to one song from that one make it Until I Wake, just an epic song that grows and hits hard at the end and is about the struggles with alcohol addiction.
Another great episode. I actually like your discourse on the type of Hair Metal you prefer. While I love the sleaze bands, I also branch out into the European AOR. Von Groove, Gotthard, House of Shakira, L.R.S. and Art Nation, etc. So much more to Hair Metal than people realize! Keep up the great work. I'm approaching 50 and still love finding about bands that I had missed growing up. Because of your channel I now own Sleeze Beaz, Electric Angels, and many others. Keep it up!
Stryper has shown on their recent releases show they have true Metal in their DNA. They can get back to their musical roots and still sound fresh.
Great show!
One example where the change in sound - IMO - brought out a really good album was Shotgun Messiah with their 1993 album Violent New Breed.
Perfect timing. New guru content. Evening is now planned.
I'll check out you're compatriots channel. Can't go wrong with more Rock N Roll.
Great selection, guys ! To me Ultraphobic is truly an underrated gem, Warrant's most accomplished album with Dog Eat Dog. It's a shame Warrant doesn't play any song of this record in concert...
There was some great stuff at that time, I think of Mike Tramp's Freak Of Nature albums, Dee Snider's Widowmaker second record (Stand By For Pain), Vince Neil second solo album (Carved In Stone). And, of course, THE masterpiece : Mötley Crüe '94 album.
Awesome vid, just subscribed to Trevor's channel! Roxx Gang's The Voodoo You Love is one of my favorite mid 90s albums. A couple of albums I have to mention are Tigertailz - Wazbones!, TNT's Firefly and Transistor, Love/Hate-Let's Rumble, and Phantom Blue - Built To Perform. With Tigertailz, Love/Hate, and Phantom Blue, they definitely went with a much heavier sound on those albums. With TNT's late 90s albums , they went more alternative, but I really enjoy those albums. However, I was glad when they returned to form with My Religion. On a similar note, it would be cool if one of you did a video on metal bands that went hair metal, like Celtic Frost, Accept, Judas Priest, Tokyo Blade, Raven etc.
Cheers matt , let rumble is great but I still think is sounds like love/hate , not much sounds really different imo .
But yes that’s a good list of bands that went hair metal 🤘
@krashkoursemetalshow I can agree, Let's Rumble is probably a major stretch for this. I just love how that album is even more raw than the first two, though.
Matt, you added a bunch of albums to my revisit list, like Tokyo Blade and Let's Rumble. I'm all about Wazbones, Phantom Blue, and I fuckin' LOVE Roxx Gang. Why couldn't they have released their followup earlier?
@@HairMetalGuru419 in short , infighting ☹️
Awesome episode! 🔥🎸🤘🏻
WASP's KFD is one of, if not THE darkest albums I've heard. Another album you have to be in right headspace to listen to. I love it! Another album comes to mind is Extreme's Waiting for the Punchline(1995). A tad bit grungy, and the guitars are downtuned some, but Gary and Nuno can write great rock songs, and this album is no exception. Fantastic video, Guru!!
i got the import of kfd when it came out. great record with a great bonus track on it.
Really enjoyed the episode great topic and it's great like you said to have younger people such as your co-host enjoy the music we love
Just need more younger people 😁🤘
Love the Vain album in the background.
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Kik Tracee's 'Field Trip EP' (1992) which followed 'No Rules' (1991) was quite a deviation from that monstrous (totally underrated) debut.
Great to see Krash on the show.
Pantera’s shift from glam to heavy awesomeness with Cowboys From Hell.
Love/Hate’s Let’s Rumble was darker and heavier than their 1st 2 albums.
And definitely Whitesnake changing from a blues/rock band on Slide It In (there were 2 versions.) Or the total change from the ‘87 album.
Really enjoying the channel, heard some great discussions so far! Would love to hear more about Lynch Mob and Enuff Z' Nuff personally, but that's just me 🤘🏼😉
Fun as always. Seeing Sebastian Bach here in Tucson Tuesday night! Saw Lita Ford Friday night
Danger danger was on the turntable today. I love their debut. I live in the hood in the Bronx. Its all rap till you hit my building and its constant hard rock/ hair metal. I still have hair down to almost my waist. I'm looking to start a glam band. I play guitar, bass guitar and drums
that first danger danger record is an absolute masterpiece.
@@patrickreeves4650 bang bang
Hell yea brother
great video! I LOVE the motley crue 94 album, and have been liking Native tongue more and more recently
I just listened to Crue 94 for the first time last week. I was amazed. If it was the same album but Soundgarden had thier named slapped on the front of it, i think 3 to 5 of those songs would be in rotation with with the top grunge songs that are still being played today. Its that good.
My Top 5
1 Native Tongue- Poison
2 Chinese Democracy- Guns N Roses
3 Slave To The Grind- Skid Row
4 Motley Crue 94
5 Generation Swine- Motley Crue
Generation Swine and Chinese Democracy are two albums i used to hate with a burning passion but grew to love them more and more as i got older. Native Tongue is my favorite Poison album.
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I loved KFD!! W.A.S.P. always had a harder sound so I didn't think adding a little Industrial feel was too far from what they were.
I put it up there with Alice's Brutal Planet as successful changes in sound, for at least one album.
From a sales perspective these are mostly misses but I still really like them: Dokken "Shadowlife", Winger "Pull", Van Halen 3 with Gary Cherone, Shotgun Messiah "Violent New Breed", Warrant "Dog Eat Dog", Fastway "Waiting for the Roar". I'm sure there are more but that is all I can think of at the moment.
the hate and venom that van halen 3 gets is unwarranted. most bands were doing something different in the late 90's. without you, fire in the hole, one i want, and dirty water dog all sounded like van halen. i truly believe the fact that they teased roth at the mtv awards doomed cherone.
Skid row sub human race is a band killer for me, only one good song on there, would love to see a sleaze metal special, great work as always
Hey Anthony digging the channel so far.I haven’t seen you do a head to head in a while so I have a killer idea but it’ll be a tough one.How about comparing Wildside UTI against GNR Appetite for Destruction.2 of the best debuts in hair metal history!
I would say roxx gang ‘things you never done before ‘ would be a better battle vs appetite cause nothing stands a chance vs UTI 👀😁🤘
@@krashkoursemetalshowtrue man!UTI is a beast of an album🤘🏻
I personally love k.f.d by Wasp. I remember at the time it blew me away. Still love it.
I think some bands have pulled off a change in sound better than others. When it works, it works well but when it doesn't it mostly come off as desperation to stay relevant. In most cases tho i tend to prefer the early work from bands. Albums like Too Fast For Love to me are the most honest and true genuine No influence from a record label or a to stay relevant.
With Poison- Native Tongue, I did not care for it back then as well to where it felt like a wasted purchase when I first got it on release. I just recently decided to listen to the album again after digging through Ritchie Kotzen's discography (I love his Winery Dogs stuff). It's actually a decent album; just very different than their other albums and too long (as mentioned).
As for a band that feels like they changed their sound and I stopped listening to, it was Bon Jovi post the New Jersey album. I loved the early stuff up to Slippery and thought New Jersey was kind of a weak album; but still fit with their other stuff. With Keep the Faith, it felt like an absolute snoozefest. 7800 fahrenheit was peak Bon Jovi imo.
Reborn by stryper was a solid album I really like it
I love the Native Tounge record, and I am a huge Poison and Kotzen fan. Yet, that was not a Poison album, it was a Richie Kotzen featuring the members of Poison album.
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Definitely a good description of the album. I love the Winery Dogs stuff and gave Native Tongue a second listen (outside when I got it on release) due to digging through Kotzen's discography. It's a lot better than I originally thought; albeit a bit too long.
Great episode check out a band called tommi Gunn album called toast of the town
This is James great episode my favorite album from Warrent is Dog Eat Dog my seconed favorite Warrent is Ultraphobic Jani sounded killier like he always has one of my favorite singers of all time great video Anthony as always
$60 for a t-shirt that is outrageous even at a concert no way would I pay that amount ,that's why I didn't go see motley crue, Def Leppard, and poison I thought the tickets were too high, I had my friend pick me up a t-shirt from motley crue and I should have gave him a limit because that shit was $50 and I think that was high
You should do non Hair Metal bands that put out a hair metal album, or changed to hair metal for a few albums
Fuck, sorry for the late response... but that is definitely going in the list... thanks for the recommendation, Lucas!
@@HairMetalGuru419 the album wildside from loverboy belongs on that list. same with the heart album that had alone on it, and the cheap trick album that had the flame.
I agree with everything you said about stryper I am a huge fan since to hell with the devil and I must say reborn is a great album I bought it around the time it came out. Michael sweets vocals you are rite,he sounds great and he can sing just as great as he did back in the 80s an even though Timothy gains is not in the band anymore replaced by firehouse,their bass player left that band and joined stryper
michael sweet had a killer song in 1995 from the album of the same name. song was called "real". what a killer song.
I grew up with an awesome glam
Rock/hair metal band called Ambush from Millville and Vineland NJ. I would send links of their TH-cam videos but I don’t think TH-cam will let me.
TH-cam the following if you want to check them out.
Ambush - on your knees
Ambush - Play Ruff
Ambush - still in love with you
Ambush - I’m on fire
Ambush - sos
Ambush - Nowhere in Site
Ambush - dreams
They had the look, the songs, moved to LA too late and they never caught the rad wave.
Curious to hear your thoughts.
Can’t wait to watch this video. Love your content!!!!
Hey, thank you, Brother! I do have a Hair Metal Guru Facebook page--people message me there with links and stuff. But I will definitely check out these songs soon. And thank you for your support, seriously, I really appreciate it.
@@HairMetalGuru419absolutely! Keep posting. Your channel is my new fav. I grew up worshipping hair metal and rock. My mom supported me in my quest for all things music and would go with me to all the concerts. She swooned over Brett Michaels lol.
I played guitar in punk bands and was a trained classical guitarist. I wasn’t pretty enough to be in a rock group Lol. But anyway I love all music….my love for Warrant matched my love for death metal and thrash and doom and punk rock. I was someone who welcomed grunge and still love grunge. BUT….I openly loved it all. I still think it’s stupid that the genres couldn’t co-exist. Why couldn’t someone love Nirvana AND Enuff Z Nuff? Oh well. I happily listened to Obituary then popped on Poison and Tigertailz and then threw on some Morbid Angel and then some grunge and indie college rock bands. I love music not genres. The media made fans draw a line in the sand and it made bands do the same.
I’ve been to over 700 concerts. Got to hang with so many groups and have enjoyed every second of it all.
Curious what you think of Ambush. AND since you love like punk…check out the band Hagfish. Their album, “Rocks your lame ass” is all killer and no filler. It’s pop punk anthems.
Anyway. Thanks for the content. Can’t wait for the next upload.
The MC 94 album is a Top 10 90's record and would have been huge, had it not been called Motley Crue.
It didnt fit in with what was huge in rock and metal in '94 so it wouldnt have matter. Hooligan's Holiday just isnt a hit song.
Ultraphobic RULES! Jani Lane is the most underrated songwriter in metal and this is definitely some of his best work.
Maybe even Enuff Z Nuff? After the first two albums they never really got the rock edge back. Especially after Frigo left.
the tweaked album was a little different than the norm, and the production was awful (cmc records). the song "its too late" was insanely good though.
lets go!!
LFG!
I always thought KFD was a good musical direction for WASP to explore. For 1997 it's a great example of a hair band trying to sound modern
Does WASP really fall under “hair metal”?
That singer Steven Adler has is amazing
W.A.S.P. KFD is one their best. If you don't like heavier music you won't like it. It's simple as that. But that album truly rocks. And at the time they were out to prove to rip offs like Marilyn Manson that they were the most extreme band in the world. And if you look into what they did on that tour. You'll see that they proved it. That tour, they only came to a couple venues in the states. Because they weren't allowed to bring their stage show with them here
Here´s a thought experiment: Young people today having to choose between hair metal and grunge, how many of them will feel compelled to go for the dark and depressing, even suicidal, ethos of grunge over the bubbly and fun mentality of the hair bands? Not a rhetorical question, by the way.
I battle this question everyday of my life … with no real explanation , I have theories but the shortest one is that : people are retarded 😁🤘
I liked native tongue. First 3 are my favorites still
after year of living with native tongue in 1993, it became my 2nd favorite poison album next to crack a smile. i love the great songwriting on native tongue.
@patrickreeves4650 yeah I liked crack a smile myself
Poison's Native album, the song "Blind Faith" was the best off that album imo, it should have been the first single
I do dig that song a lot 🤘
so Jeremy White throws on a head band and inhales some helium and now has an alias named Trevor.... ok.
So, does the shirt no longer fit the man, or the man no longer fit the shirt?
Wildside's self-titled second album is definitely not Under the Influence, but if you separate them, it's pretty good. You can't expect anything resembling UTI when you take Benny and Brent out of the picture. I think the responsibility for the sound of that album falls harder on Tony Nicole Tony Records than it does on the band.
You're both pretty aware of my Wildside bias though, so there's that.
Very much like separating the Wildside albums, if you throw out the band name (and the previously established expectations that come with it) and just listen, Chinese Democracy is actually pretty good.
I agree with your points 🤘
Chris Van Dahl just put out a new record with Angels in Vain called "Long Time Coming". And put your "American Hardcore" bias aside because it's a SOLID rock album. It surprised me big time.
One band that comes to mind is a Canadian band called Sven Gali. First album from them is killer hand band. in the vein of Skid row. their second album 'In wire' is horrible, totally changed their sound.
Yea their debut is awesome but never found the second , so maybe I’m glad I didn’t 😁
With lead singers aside for the obvious , CC Deville is one of those guitarist that was his bands sound . Kotzen is some kind of special talent , followed his solo and the Winery dogs , but way way too roots for Poison. With that said , Theatre of My Soul and Fire and Ice are great on their own .
You are right . CC has a distinct tone 🤘
Icon had a sweet debut album, then it was downhill.
Lillian axe early stuff was great then they changed for the worse.
Shotgun messiah debut was amazing, second album good, then went industrial and sucked.
Loudness was a badass heavy metal band that went pop for a bit in the 80s and sucked. Got better after thought, same with Dead End.
Enuff z nuff evolved but I like all iterations
Shotgun Messiah
the sound change on violent new breed is amazing. that is one of the best albums of the 90's, and was ahead of its time.
As for as dokken goes shadowlife if you get thru it puppets on a strin,hard to believe, and bitter regret are really good in My opinion the rest not good I am a huge dokken fan I seen them 7-29-23 and I knew what to expect with Don's vocals and you are rite his voice is not very good but the music is great Jon Levin is an amazing guitarist,and the rhythm section of Chris and DJ is great and like you said anyone can look their recent concerts and people should know what to expect and yet they do get a decent size crowd and I would go again,I did see them in 2000 with poison,Cinderella,and that was great they had reb Beach at that time and donns voice was fantastic
At 10:35 what bands are quoted at being underated? Im not a native speaker :)
Saw stryper, much heavier live
The idea for both of my channels is to bring back the spirit of Headbangers ball circa 1993 hey coexistence of metal add good grunge
Eye 2 eye and humanity change alot
eye 2 eye had some solid stuff on it.
Faith No More
Detonator rules. American Hardcore is an embarrassment to the genre. Any genre really. Love Native Tongue, as well as Crack a Smile. Poison evolved in a natural way that made sense. It didn't feel forced or fake like so many others at the time. Plus they stepped up their game musically. Obviously the original chemistry with C.C. wasn't going to be the same, but they did such a killer job of not letting it drag them down in my opinion. Few bands can pull that off as well as Poison did at the time. They really don't get enough credit for it.
for a band like la guns...tracii had no business doing that record under the name. CMC only would release the record under that name, and Tracii knew he also wouldn't be able to get people to come see them if he didn't use the name. riley did it because there was no other gig for him to do. that album was terrible, and chris van dahl trying to act like a phil anelmo at the concerts was hilarious. he is not a tough guy, and he tried to be one. it failed.
I really like crack a smile with Blues on guitar , super overlooked 🤘
tnt - firefly .....great cd !!................bruce Dickinson - skunkworks !!.....great cd !!,,,,,,,,,,,kiss - Carnival Of Souls.....dark and heavy .....i like it !!......Lynch Mob - smoke this .......everyone hates this cd and yes it is bad !!.......
tnt - firefly was an album i bought off the cuff, and didn't expect much from back in 1997. from the first notes of angels ride, i was shocked and blown away. tripping is a fantastic song.
@@patrickreeves4650 yes ....does not follow the 80s sound .......a dark cd ......"heavens gone" is great too !!!
Skunkworks is great. I get why people always rank it near the bottom of his discography but its way better than that boring last album he put out.
@@Chaz4543 love it ....Skunkworks.......got it when it came out .........its different !!......but its still heavy !!!
I am not a Ritchie fan for poison I rather hear CC DID NOT LIKE native tongue not my cup of tea now dysfunctional By dokken I like alot,shadowlife is different their are about 4 songs I really like the rest don't care for that wasmore a lynch and pilson project ,Don said in an interview he would not even put his dokken name the way it is on the rest of the albums
Its the LA Gunns on the shit show. What a crock. Its funny you mentioned pantera there glam stuff was great. There is a video on here called all over tonight. Its like van Halen, early def leopard and Judas priest had a baby. Its killer
You don't dig Zepplin Guru?
Thank you for the props guys! Krash- Time Bomb was actually the first single and video. That’s a trip you live by Roby! We chat ever so often, we had a shit ton of fun together when he was still in the band Love that guy! I wrote Time Bomb as I was trying to steer the band in a more modern direction at that time
Kevin’s vocal is very cool on that track! Worked perfect
Cheers guys
I special ordered that 2nd Wildside. Disappointment 101. Garbage. Same deal with L.A. Guns. I want to like it, but I just can't do it captain.
that 2nd wildside came out my senior year of high school. my buddy and i cut school that day and drove all over portland, oregon in search of that album. finally found it after travelling all over, and popped it in the discman (the kind with the cassette tape that went in the tape player). good god that album was terrible.
I really don't like any of these other than the Poison.
Danger danger said they were in fact influenced by the grunge
WASPs KFD was a masterpiece. Helldorado was a huge steaming turd
A minute and a half of clips from the video itself is a garbage intro, man.
It's a preview. Ever seen a preview to a movie? Know what it is? A minute and a half of clips from the movie. Moron.
WASP 1997 WTF was that...Grunge Guru came to wear flannel and spread teen spirit.. almost out of spirit?
Fun fact Krash is only 4 ft 9
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