@@quantommy OG Barry was always season 9 Barry. Here my theory on how time loop works and how this still fits Eobard story from season 1: The timeline never changed. Everything that happened was supposed to happened. It makes sense! It slightly different than season 1 flashback but I’m letting that slide because that was on Earth 1! (Everyone else should think this too. Or not. I’m not the boss of you.) this is Earth Prime version of that night. But it still fits. In fact it fits with what eobard told us back in season 1: Eobard: “Until I learned your secret. I learned your name. Barry Allen. And finally, I knew how to defeat you once and for all. Travel back in time, kill you as a child. Wipe you from the face of the earth. But then you, future you, that is, followed me back, and we fought. We both landed some pretty solid shots. And then you, future you, got your younger self out of there. I was so mad. But then I thought... what if you were to suffer a tragedy? What if you were to suffer something so horrible, so traumatic that your child self could never recover? Then you would not become The Flash. And so I stab your mother in the heart, and I was free. Finally able to return to a future without The Flash, only to realize that in traveling back I'd lost my way home. Lost my ability to harness the speed force. And without it, I was stuck here. Stranded in this time, unable to return to my own. And the only way back was The Flash. But The Flash was gone, and so I created him.” Then when eobard figure out killing barry’mom it’s a fixed point Everything he does was already supposed to happened. Which break him. But The universe or speedforce couldn’t let him know that. Which is why this happen: 8:02 some unknown entity(No idea yet possibly cobalt blue or the negative speed force?) had to make sure Eobard thinks he changed the past. So it’s teleport Barry away to somewhere( I have no idea. I’m literally typing this just right after it released. so part 2-4 haven’t came yet.) But from Eobard perspective it look like as if the flash vanished from existence. This would give him the motivation to create the flash. Thus cementing his role for season 1. What do you think?
I would be worried if Future Flash wasnt fast enough to catch up to this version of Thawne who is significantly slower than the other times Barry fought him lmao
I know they didn't think about this a decade ago. But i have an interesting theory. As flash got faster his lightning changed. But every time we see the night of noras death, his lightning is yellow like when he first got his powers. However speedsters have shown they can change their color especially when they're slowing down. So long story short, Barry's out of character yellow, is actually showing how much S9 barry is holding back to make sure the timeline stays intact. A great detail they may or may not have accounted for. Which is awesome
@@alvininthechipmonks, that’s actually a really good point?!😱🤔⚡️ I’ve followed “The Flash” since even before the Season 1, all the way back since Barrys very First Appearance in the Backdoor Pilot Episodes way back in 2013 during the Second Season of “Arrow”, (S02E08 “The Scientist” and S02E09 “Three Ghosts”), and obviously I’ve been a Loyal & Dedicated Fan/Follower of “The Flash” since the very beginning, (so since way back in 2014, starting with the Official Series/Season Premiere on October 7th, S01E01, titled “Pilot”), without missing a single Episode or Crossover Episode/ Event since then until the Official Finale 9 Years later with the Official Final Episode of “The Flash”, (S09E13, titled “A New World, Part 4” on May 24th 2023), and I’ve actually never really given the color-change in Barry’s lightning throughout these 9 Years/Seasons of “The Flash” and throughout the various “Arrowverse”-crossovers over the Years any serious thoughts if I’m being honest?😅🤔🤦♂️🫣⚡️ But I have to admit that your reasoning makes perfect sense now when I really think about it?😅🤔🤦♂️⚡️
@@vengeance86 post crisis i think yeah, flashpoint didnt happen but team flash remembers it because they have the pre crisis memories... in Post crisis timeline it was told that they didn't know about the multiverse so those events wouldn't have happened, but barry remembers it because technically he fought them in a different timeline and retained the memories so they will always be a part of flash museum even though they didn't exist... They just got to know about the new multiverse in last episode so post crisis timeline they never met zoom or savitar or harry.. thats also confirmed that barry was thought to throw lightening in s1. So you are right, flashpoint didn't happen in post crisis timeline but even if it did happen, the situation of creating would have been different and not zoom , maybe henry died by an accident in post crisis timeline and barry created flashpoint anyway but not due to zoom since we do know henry still died in post crisis timeline but not by zooms hand
Originally Future Flash was fighting Eobard during the original COIE event (that we never got to see) and RF ran to kill young Barry, with Future Flash running after him to stop it. We see them both coming out of a portal when we first saw "The Night". This time, Eobard is already in the year 2000 and he and Barry don't come out of a portal. "The Night" ended up happening the same way, and I believe this is a time remnant of Eobard who appeared in the year 2000 without involving the Future Flash he knew, acting as an automaton to continue the course of events. Remember, Eobard knows a different family Barry had (Dawn was the daughter he knew, for instance). He thought he was speaking to *his* Flash (Future Flash from S1) but he was talking to our Barry, the version he created who got the Speed Force a decade earlier.
@@fiqz7017 Technically it could. I'd love to see the events originally leading to "the night" *but* I think Wallace is trying to make this the definitive way it went down... which is technically wrong but he's retconning it. My post is trying to fix what he's doing so it still works with the original canon. Nothing on onscreen (so far) disproves this so it's a way to reconcile the original intent of "The night" with Wallace's latest addition to the lore. :)
@Matias that's a good way to put it, but yeah. Eobard changed the timeline and it became the definitive timeline, cemented thanks to him wishing it so when Barry and the others were recreating the multiverse at the end of Crisis. **Edited because the original way I wrote it made it seem like Thawne helped wish the new multiverse in and not Barry, haha
@ShinySephiroth the thing is, our Barry still hasn't closed the loop. S9 Barry as can be seen from the new clip, he comes from the window while Thawne is fighting someone else which as also seen is still the Flash, but that's not our Barry, you can clearly see when our Barry stops to tell the other Barry not to move, that their is still fighting going on, Flash is still fighting the Reverse Flash but it's not our Barry doing it, and I doubt if our Barry was fighting Thawne and he just left the fight to do something else, why would Thawne keep running in circles and fighting himself, which means our Barry still hasn't been the one to fight Reverse Flash that night, or the one who takes himself out of the house, he only told himself not to come out. So it's still Og Barry fighting Thawne, where did he come from and how he knew, because in his timeline his parents are both alive and he still becomes the Flash, so who knows
So There were 6 Barry's there in that exact timeline? The kid Barry, the one with Nora, the one who fought Thawne, the one who knocked out Thawne to create Flashpoint, the one who let Thawne kill his mother to restore Flashpoint and finally our new timeline Barry...
The Barry who stopped Thawne was erased, so technically only like 5 then, but in the 9x10 scene it’s only s9 barry and s1 barry there in the scene, s3 barry when he lets Thawne kill Nora isn’t there and s5 barry would’ve left the timeline to chase after Nora. And of course Kid barry was ran out of the room so he was Saved.
Technically only 4 were in the house the flashpoint one was too tired to run so reverse flash bought him home and the one with nora didnt go inside and was earlier in the night by a good half hour or so probably
8:00 - the moment Barry truly defeated Eobard. You could see the realization of that in RF eyes. Never even in his wildest dreams he could've imagined Barry being grateful to him for smth. And Barry defeated him not by beating the shit out of him, not by using some Speed Force Forces, but by showing his humanity and telling the truth. He finally accepted tjis night as the pivotal point in his life and he finally accepted what Eobard did to him.
Can we appreciate Matt Letscher a little more? That's entirely down to his acting. His facial expressions were on point since his first appearance. He should've been the RF not wellsobard
@@Velocity_YT No hate to Matt Letchster, but I liked Tom cavanagh better. He made the reverse flash for the viewers. The true hate, the genuine disgust.. not just anger.
"There's nothing that Thawne can do now but did what he had done earlier, assuming Harrison Wells's identity and creating the particle accelerator which will make Barry the hero he is supposed to be."
Something directors never think about. I had the same thought playing Spider-Man 2 when one of the boss fights is outside Peter's house and he's loudly and openly shouting identifying things in the middle of his damn neighbourhood
@@mad_titanthanos he told him that Thawne could just go back to his own timeline and be the hero he wanted to be and forget about Barry. But of course he chose to try and kill Barry instead 🙄
@@mad_titanthanos barry talked to him face to face before they went to fight their final fight. Barry warned him that if he did what wanted to do, he would lose everything
Matt Letscher as reverse Flash is soo underrated! I love Tom Cavanagh as Harry wells, but Matt Letscher's reverse flash is much more scary and intimidating in my opinion. Idk if this is unpopular, but i prefered Matt's RF since the very beginning.
Tom was way more intimidating and cold. Matt was more of the guy who wanted to ruin Barry’s life. Both have both but more of that for each of them, key aspects of the character. Kinda like how the joker is differently represented by different actors yet still true
Matt is the definitive Reverse Flash in my eyes. After season 1 with Tom's RF he ruined the charactor in future seasons in my opinion. Plus, with Tom playing 30 different versions of Wells it got old really quick
Ever since their conversation in season 2 when Barry had him locked up, I knew I preferred Matt’s version. Felt more comic accurate and you could feel both the hatred and jealousy. He really nails the petty vibe and the digs at Barry to trigger him.
I just realized, Why Thawne lost his powers after killing barry's mother, thawne was needed to teach barry to be the flash. and that was thawnes punishment for killing barry's mother. to watch barry grow up and eventually teach him to be the flash. Fate has a sick and twisted sense of humor. Also loved the little detail that barry gave thawne a head start lmao
Since S1 actually. Thawne instantly realized that if Barry never became Flash, then in turn he would have never become Reverse-Flash. The biggest hint of his plan and that realization is that he was wearing the same clothes that Harrison Wells wore in 2000.
When Eobard raced off to kill young Barry, I think I know why Barry didn't immediately race after Eobard. I think there's multiple reasons. He's thinking over the events that are about to unfold. He's also giving Eobard a head start because he doesn't want this Eobard to know just how fast the Flash truly is.
I think everyone has this whole situation of events wrong. The first scene we see here where s9 Barry is talking to RF is before he goes through a portal to go back in time. He then goes through the portal after they have talked to each other and that's where original future Barry who never lost his mom catches up to him in the speedforce and they both go through the portal to the past together. S9 Barry only comes to tell s1 Barry to not interfere, that's all s9 Barry does since during that scene, we can still see flashes of light behind s9 Barry meaning the og future barry and RF were still fighting.
There is something confusing about this barry is so much faster than thawne yet thawne and him are equal in speed here in the battle maybe barry was holding back I don't know.
Assuming he has his entire speed at this point. If that's the case how tf did this slow Eobard knock him out by running through him??? Keep in mind season 7 Eobard who was much faster was frozen to Barry. Barry should've both seen and heard Eobard coming, even if he's close he would practically be frozen if Barry acted
@@ulysses4989 barry lets it happen, he probably created a speed mirage to that is fihgting thawne, and the real him is there to wave no to the older season's barry while saving young one
He’s much faster. He either stopped completely and did a flash-time with S1 Barry, or he created a speed mirage to tell S1 Barry not to save Nora. Either way, he clearly wasn’t using all his power against the Reverse Flash.
@@KITKATPRODUCTIONidk how he gets erased but i think he comes from the og timeline which is why in 1x17 we see the flash and rf come out of a portal which is them coming from the og timeline
@@KITKATPRODUCTIONThe Barry we see from the future in season one is the variant from the original timeline where he became the flash in 2024, this Barry saved his kid self but while Eobard aka reverse flash is left in the house he ends up killing Barry’s mother which in essence erases the Barry he was even fighting. Due to this he ends up having to create the flash which ultimately rewrote the timeline, this being the case because the flash still does come to be but the events to how it happened are different. So now the flash we saw in season one is now replaced with our season 9 version aka the one we’ve been following since Eobard initially changed the timeline but killing his mother.
@@thefootie1283this is correct but later in season 9 this isn’t the case because Eobard killing his mother basically made it so the original or og timeline no longer exist, so the Eobard we see is somehow a remnant of said original timeline probably created to make sure all events play out. This also makes Barry’s mother’s death a fixed point now because that night is the only thing keeping the timeline together since crisis happened.
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 so it means we already losted our main og Barry and the barry we're seeing from s1 is actually made by thawne in new timeline....I got it but I wish we would be able to see at least an episode of our og Barry from the main timeline that shows how he got his powers, who trained him, how he saved that crowd which was meant to save by Thawne, how it all started etc.
You know, the writing on this show has been hit-or-miss at times. But I unabashedly love how they framed Thawne's ultimate defeat. When Barry tells him "'ll always grateful, Eobard." After so many years, so much effort, so much hatred dedicated entirely to hurting the Flash, only to achieve the literal opposite of his intentions. There really is no greater failure than this.
He basically got retconned so things would come full circle, which makes sense. His life wouldn't happen as it should if our Barry didn't become that future Flash from S1. As that one got protected until he wasn't necessary.
That's the only logical way to say it really, because before Crisis, there's no way in hell he could've even considered becoming OG Barry because it simply doesn't make sense
When you realised this makes Reverse Flash and Barry's 1st fight make so much more sense... "We've been at this a long time, you and I..." (You have always been...) "It was your destiny to lose to me Flash" (You win, I can't stop you.) "Just as it was your mother's destiny... to die that night" (Killing your mother... it's a fixed point!)
At 6:45 Eobard suddenly realizes that Nora's death is a fixed point that cannot be undone yet he is so blinded by his rage towards Barry that he refuses to accept the fact that Barry did try to warn him. On a side note: We all saw how Flashpoint turned out, what the hell is Barry thinking in vaguely warning Eobard? He's lucky that Thawne didn't heed his warning, otherwise he might have caused another type of Flashpoint. Now that I think about it, the timeline would have reverted to its original state where Nora was never killed, and Barry became The Flash when he was originally meant to as Thawne accelerated Barry's origins much sooner. The entire series would be wiped out had Thawne had a change of heart.
The entire series would be wiped out in favor of the timeline we didn't really got to see, the OG timeline that had the crisis of 2024. It would be actually full circle, but the way it came to be works great too. As it doesn't really break the timeline, maybe Flash was always supposed to warn Eobard before, we don't know. The only thing we know is that the prelude to Nora Allen being killed used to be 2024's Crisis, so it was a more epic and climatic fight.
It’s a good thing Zoom didn’t notice there were like 2 other Barry’s in the room during that fight he might have suspected he failed his mission of killing kid Barry
@@a3sjustaphil397 In the comics, Professor Zoom, the Reverse Flash = Eobard Thawne and Zoom = Hunter Zolomon. In the show, Reverse Flash = Eobard Thawne and Zoom = Hunter Zolomon.
Anyone noticed that not only did he give reverse flasher head start, but his lightning colour that was orange went down to yellow which is the same colour as it was in the first season in order to match Thorne but not surpass him. We know that Barry's orange lightning is a result of his power up and the reason why he can basically move it ridiculously higher speeds that he could during the season 1. I'm Barry because the lightning colours of speeds just can change in accordance to how fast they move like our zooms lightning colour. Once he moved to the high enough speed Eid with the velocity boost went to blue
OG Barry gained powers in 2020 (6/7th season) so naturally he would be the Flash longer = more expierienced, faster etc. that's why he's faster I think than OG Barry who had yellow lightning
It seems to me it is just reused footage. Barry has orange lightning now. The fact that it is yellow when he is fighting Thawne in his home is because of reused footage from Season 1 and laziness of editing the colour from yellow to orange. The lightning colour meanings are pretty bullshit as it doesn't make any sense that The Rival and Black Flash both have Red Lightning (and thus Negative Speed Force?).
Barry isn't trying to stop Thorne his just there to fight for one. Get his past self out of there and let everything else play out how it's supposed to, which means he limited his speed to match. Thorne's since his faster than this version of Thorne and it origin lightning just means it's a speedster has like a very strong connection to the speed force, granting them greater speed
@@solarwindyou say his color of the lighting changes bc he slows down for thawne No the colors stays the same no matter how fast he runs he still has a greater connection to the speedforxe due to his experience so the lighting is orange even when he runs not that fast he could run
It wasn’t OG Barry fighting Thawne in this. It was season 9 Barry. He probably just made a speed duplicate to fight him while he saved himself as a kid. OG Barry chased Thawne through a portal in the first original flash back to this night. But this Thawne and Barry just started running to the house after talking
The main cause being Crisis on Infinite Earths occurring in 2019 instead of 2024. As you said, the original Barry chased Thawne through a time portal (which was proved from the newspaper that Flash and Reverse-Flash fought and vanished in an "explosion" of light, said explosion which is actually the same time portal you said). And don't forget this happened on Earth-1, to say the original multiverse. Here, in 9x10, this is Earth-Prime, the new multiverse and since Crisis occurred in 2019 instead of 2024, a lot of things have changed, starting by the Crisis' aftermath. Thawne simply went back to 2000 instead of being chased by Barry and both emerging from 2024.
I like the version without Flashpoint. Because this version shows Thawne looking a way to stay alive with is own existince, in the events of Legends of Tomorrow. Without Flashpoint, everything makes sense with the two Flash's in the moment of Nora's death.
@@MarcusPearl yep. But Flash point is also a set point in the Flash storyline....it must happen. At some point the Flash always travels back to try save his mother.
I love how Henry and Nora never notice two people standing in the middle of the street watching them, one of which having a resemblance to Nora's father.
Eobard create his own hell, he is punished and trapped for eternity. Create plans again and again, for finally comeback to the beginning of the endless cycle
It’s way more fucked up the way she died since Barry created flashpoint. She’s about to die, then gets saved, just to have two people vanish in front of her and die anyways.
@reckasorus hound Yeah, OG 2024 Barry couldn't beat Eobard but S2 Barry was destroying him. S9 2024 Barry got so fast that he even have Eobard a head start and *still* caught up to him before he got to Barry's house 😆
Would have loved it even more if they gave us a whole episode of og barry running back in time to stop thawne from killing his younger self and how he felt when he realised thawne took out his anger on his mum. That would be fire! The episode was great
It's interesting to see it all pieced together like this because when you think about it, this event in It's entirety is the continuous loop that Eobard & Barry are a part of. After watching the show since the very first season, it's very satisfying to see this.
@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 Because the original became Flash in 2020 not 2014, came from an universe where he lived a happy life with both of his parents and time travel to the night in the year 2000 during the Crisis of 2024 while fighting Reverse Flash
Just realized, the wine floating from nora's glass was not due to future barry or RF at all. Floating is only ever due to portals opening, and thus the floating of the wine and the water in the fish tank was entirely because of season 1 barry's entrance at the exact same moment
At one point there was an original flash and reverse flash, but in the end it becomes a paradox where one can’t exist without the other, unless one of them stops the loop. But as we’ve seen if Barry stop RF from killing his mom it has major effects on the speed force, and with Barry trying to convince thawne to not go through with it as he will lose everything well, thawne will never back down. So this sequence will always play out My personal argument would be how does this timeline effect the “original multiverse” to the one going on now Also why does everyone think this “new” multiverse just started now when we saw Oli become the Spector and reset the multiverse with random DC series/movies in the mix Edit: the original flash didn’t have thawn to make the flash, it was later on the “real” HR had made the partial accelerator which where the “original” flash was born, the original thawn was obsessed with the idea of him centuries later, but went mental when he realised he wasn’t meant to be the flash but his reverse which started the loop
We could theorize that the OG Timeline Oliver and Black Canary were full together alongside with Captain Cold and Heatwave and the The Hawks in COIE. However we could assume that RF basically created a Reverse Flashpoint that became a fixed point because of his actions with caused the Arrowverse to be the way that it is: The CW's Version of an Elseworld MCU
This is one of the best scenes ever of the Flash. Of course, the first 2 seasons were the best but this episode really reminded us of why this show was so great.
2:01 I wonder why the editors didn't just use the old closeup running. The new close up running just looks goofy if it's not Grant because most actors don't exaggerate their running like Grant. The other actors just stand straight while Grant leans forward for more realism.
I’ve waited 9 years, half of which were excruciating, to finally see the last fight. For nine years I assumed Barry would’ve clocked Thawne the hell out of consciousness, or beat him half to death, but instead got this. And it’s beautiful. Barry telling Thawne that this night didn’t break him, then seeing Thawne tear up out of rage and confusion. Reminds me of The Help when Abileen tells Hilly off and she starts to tear up. “You a Godless woman” and “Today brought me the peace I’ve been looking for ever since, and I have you to thank for that, Eobard” resonate at a high level. If you can’t kill them, break them with words. 🤌
Thawn said he and berry had been fighting for centuries. Yet I don't remember berry traveling that much to the distance future to battle Thawn. We never actually saw the moment Thawn first meets the flash and not know anything about him
@@abhinavbhargava978the thing is he actually went to see her after the fact. The reason why we didn’t see that Scene again because season 9 Barry left the house to talk to RF one last time. Canonically season 1 Barry still talked to her in her dying moments.
@@retriet what does the writers got anything to do with the effects? You should be blaming the vfx artists but if you did you’re still wrong because my comment is a fact
@@OmzigCrist123 I meant Eric Wallace, the show runner. Your claim is false, that guy has no creativity or any skill in show running. He’s lazy, he threw out the vibration effect at the start of season 8 for whatever reason. Barry at the end of season 7 was shown to be much faster than thawne yet thawne still had the vibrations there. So yeah like I said your comment is false.
There are only a few things that can make me cry genuinely. That flash scene when he comes back in season 1 to say he’s ok to his mom before she dies in his arms, that thing was perfectly made.
@@trickzwhtv no, flashpoint Barry saves her, but after flashpoint, when he goes back and let's thawne kill her, he goes in and reveals himself to his mom and says goodbye
So the RF that went to 2016 and learned Barry’s identity, is he the OG RF that ended becoming S1 Wells RF? Or was he the RF that gets stoped by S2 Barry?
Well he said why did you let me kill your mom at first I thought he talking about how barry didn't try to stop him but thinking about it maybe just maybe he was talking about flashpoint that at last he let RF kill his mom
@@SnoozySnacksLegacy Okay and the OG thawne ended up being s1 Thawne. So that night a basically a fixed point in his life too then right? Along with Barry and Nora
They’re the same guy that both reach this point and then branch out depending on the flashpoint timeline or the s1 timeline. So the RF 2016 becomes this Thawne that could either become Flashpoint-Legends-S8 Thawne, or become the S1-8 Wellsobard version
Definitely. Had I known the finale would have Reverse-Flash NOT BEING the final boss as he deserved and as it should HAVE BEEN, this is how it should have ended...
Theres a version in which eobard forgets everything that happened but still gets pushed into the main events that lead him to become reverse flash. He then recreates the event that gave barry his speed steals a suit ,runs back in time at which his suit becomes yellow ( the speed force changes it )runs into the flash gets his ass whooped asking why he is getting his ass kicked looks at his own suit and recognizes he is the big bad.
In a sad but cool way we finally arrive at the 2nd variation of events that started it all. All different moments of different Flash coming back to this night. They all precognitively come fitting together from the brief tid-bits of episodes we seen in various seasons.
6:32 “…and then you stopped me from doing so, and you kept me prisoner just to let me go and do it again! And then come back just to tell me off!! Asshole!!!”
Original barry , season 1 barry ,season 2 barry , season 5 barry with original nora (Xs) , and current season 9 barry . Been along fun ride of the flash .⚡️
@@fachriranu1041 No he's not there was always a original barry that had both his mom and dad. Got his powers met iris and had twins named don allen and dawn allen. Now after crisis it season 9 barry that's goes back too save his younger self from thawne . Season 9 is the one that's saves him in the timeline now but originally it was the original barry . Thawne even called nora dawn when he met her in episode 5x8.
@Fachri Ranu Not as far as we know. S1 led us to believe OG Flash was fighting Thawne during *their* COIE and went back in time. The first time we see this night, Eobard and Barry arrive via a time portal from the speed force and Barry's suit is different. Eobard also knows Barry has a daughter named Dawn, but post-Flashpoint/"The Night" it becomes Nora instead. Our Barry became the Flash a decade earlier, too.
@@ShinySephiroth1 The creator didn't know what suit he would have when they were done with the show they didn't think that far ahead . Original thawne found out much about barry life his parents , his kids otherwise he wouldn't have been supirsed by the changes since killing nora which is now a (fixed point) .The show has teased us so much that we might see the original flash but they made it clear now that our current flash (prime flash) has replaced him similar too how current future nora replaces original (XS) nora . There was always the barry with both parents and twins otherwise thawne wouldn't have been in the picture and gave us our prime barry .
@@tybattle123 The creator not knowing the suit is the Doylian explanation, but we have to go in-universe. Either way, my comment was agreeing with yours - OG Barry was replaced by S9 Barry. I'm not sure what you're arguing here because that is what I was saying.
what makes it weird that we saw the s9 suit. But during the fight between them, I saw the OG flash suit which makes it completely different from this time of Barry
Others have said it before me, but I'll reiterate on what happened given the information we have. OG Barry before Crisis is from an alternate timeline where he became the Flash much later in time. He had Iris as a wife and had two daughters. He probably didn’t have Cisco or Frost, or any one from Team Flash. He was probably a solo hero working on his own. He had his run ins with the Reverse Flash and eventually chased him down to the past to stop him from killing his younger self.. that right there js a fixed point in time. It always had been kr else Flash would've never become who he is. The entirety of The Flash series started when RF changed the timeline by having to fast track Barry becoming the Flash years earlier than the OG Barry. This also led to the creastion of Team Flash and everything. The Flash and the constant timetraveling adventures had affected and changed the timeline, which is why the OG Crisis never saw the team up of Hawkman & Hawkwoman with Green Arrow, as well as the merger with Wayne Enterprises and Queen Consolidated...possibly Batman existing or birthing the existence of Batwoman. After flashpoint, things changed... the timeline changed.. this eventually led to a different Crisis which then ended rebooting the entire reality. Since then, S9 Flash became the OG Barry. The entire event of that night changed because of the establishment of S9 Barry as OG Barry, meaning OG Barry died timelines ago. What we saw in Season 1 is an alternate version of what actually happened.
It’s the closure that Barry finally excepts his past nd can move on with his future that is what makes the flash the flash his past present nd outlook to the future he never gave up no matter how hard emotionally or physically it could get
Well, that explains why Wells was so cold to Barry. Imagine flat out telling someone "I'm responsible for the worst day in your life" then they thank you before vanishing and leaving you stranded in the past where you eventually help him get faster
But what about the Barry who was inside of his younger self’s room? Cause after everyone leaves he walks out and talks to his Mom again before she dies
Correct me if I’m wrong but when S9 reverse flash runs out and loses his speed. S3 reverse flash is still in the house after killing Barry’s mom again because S3 RF leaves and goes back to the future. So if RF really wanted to he could’ve saved S9 reverse flash and sent him back to his future which would have kept Harrison wells alive, and ultimately Barry wouldn’t get his powers until 2020 which would make him the Original Timeline Flash. It’s also crazy to me that S1 Flash went back to save his mom and S2 version actually did but then got erased and S1 Flash doesn’t even know that lmao.
It’s crazy that 5 different Barry’s are all there at one point that night either before the fight happens or during, it shows how much he was back and forth with his ability’s weather he should save her or not and finally being the man that saves himself and lets hims mother die because he knows the consequences
I wonder what happened to this season 2 Barry in season 3 maybe he was sent to his own time and his mind was erased or was he completely erased from existence?
A moment of silence for the disrespect thawne received....he was given a five second headstart to the crime scene... that's like two speedster years😂😂 Then got is ass whooped enough that it bought current flash like 3 seconds to tell his past self don't do it...3 seconds might as well be a coma for a speedster for all we know😂 Then he rubbed it in his face omg he is the goat😂😂
Yep. The completed timeloop actually shows that the Flash who is fighting Thawne in the room...is actually way more competent than Thawne...he's only going through the fight because he knows it must happen...he's merely fulfilling the Paradox.
![Thawne Tells Barry About Other Thawnes | The Flash 8x18 [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KyXGi7RIny0/mqdefault.jpg)
It's funny to read that some people have already decided that og Barry never existed and that it was our s9 Barry all along
Idk how they could say he never existed if RF is there 🤣 idk if he was there that night but he definitely existed
The only Flash that erased is the flash flashpoint remnant.
OG Barry is the one fighting Thawne and saved Kid Barry. S9 Barry is just there to stop S1 Barry from saving their mom.
@@quantommy no the one fighting Thawne is S9 Barry, i think.
@@quantommy OG Barry was always season 9 Barry.
Here my theory on how time loop works and how this still fits Eobard story from season 1:
The timeline never changed. Everything that happened was supposed to happened. It makes sense! It slightly different than season 1 flashback but I’m letting that slide because that was on Earth 1! (Everyone else should think this too. Or not. I’m not the boss of you.) this is Earth Prime version of that night. But it still fits. In fact it fits with what eobard told us back in season 1:
Eobard: “Until I learned your secret. I learned your name. Barry Allen. And finally, I knew how to defeat you once and for all. Travel back in time, kill you as a child. Wipe you from the face of the earth. But then you, future you, that is, followed me back, and we fought. We both landed some pretty solid shots. And then you, future you, got your younger self out of there. I was so mad.
But then I thought... what if you were to suffer a tragedy? What if you were to suffer something so horrible, so traumatic that your child self could never recover? Then you would not become The Flash. And so I stab your mother in the heart, and I was free. Finally able to return to a future without The Flash, only to realize that in traveling back I'd lost my way home.
Lost my ability to harness the speed force. And without it, I was stuck here. Stranded in this time, unable to return to my own. And the only way back was The Flash. But The Flash was gone, and so I created him.”
Then when eobard figure out killing barry’mom it’s a fixed point Everything he does was already supposed to happened. Which break him.
But The universe or speedforce couldn’t let him know that.
Which is why this happen: 8:02
some unknown entity(No idea yet possibly cobalt blue or the negative speed force?) had to make sure Eobard thinks he changed the past. So it’s teleport Barry away to somewhere( I have no idea. I’m literally typing this just right after it released. so part 2-4 haven’t came yet.)
But from Eobard perspective it look like as if the flash vanished from existence. This would give him the motivation to create the flash. Thus cementing his role for season 1. What do you think?
The lead that he gave Reverse Flash was insane, then in the next clip, he's right behind him. Shows how much faster Barry got.
I would be worried if Future Flash wasnt fast enough to catch up to this version of Thawne who is significantly slower than the other times Barry fought him lmao
I know they didn't think about this a decade ago. But i have an interesting theory. As flash got faster his lightning changed. But every time we see the night of noras death, his lightning is yellow like when he first got his powers. However speedsters have shown they can change their color especially when they're slowing down. So long story short, Barry's out of character yellow, is actually showing how much S9 barry is holding back to make sure the timeline stays intact. A great detail they may or may not have accounted for. Which is awesome
That’s old reused scenes
season 9 barry held back so much lol, that's why his lightning was yellow
@@alvininthechipmonks, that’s actually a really good point?!😱🤔⚡️
I’ve followed “The Flash” since even before the Season 1, all the way back since Barrys very First Appearance in the Backdoor Pilot Episodes way back in 2013 during the Second Season of “Arrow”, (S02E08 “The Scientist” and S02E09 “Three Ghosts”), and obviously I’ve been a Loyal & Dedicated Fan/Follower of “The Flash” since the very beginning, (so since way back in 2014, starting with the Official Series/Season Premiere on October 7th, S01E01, titled “Pilot”), without missing a single Episode or Crossover Episode/ Event since then until the Official Finale 9 Years later with the Official Final Episode of “The Flash”, (S09E13, titled “A New World, Part 4” on May 24th 2023), and I’ve actually never really given the color-change in Barry’s lightning throughout these 9 Years/Seasons of “The Flash” and throughout the various “Arrowverse”-crossovers over the Years any serious thoughts if I’m being honest?😅🤔🤦♂️🫣⚡️
But I have to admit that your reasoning makes perfect sense now when I really think about it?😅🤔🤦♂️⚡️
okay there are many versions of this type of video, but this one is the most accurate one
...to date
No it’s not
Except in post crisis multi verse, technically flashpoint didn't happen
@@vengeance86 then savitar wouldnt be a thing so it’s gotta still happen
@@vengeance86 post crisis i think yeah, flashpoint didnt happen but team flash remembers it because they have the pre crisis memories... in Post crisis timeline it was told that they didn't know about the multiverse so those events wouldn't have happened, but barry remembers it because technically he fought them in a different timeline and retained the memories so they will always be a part of flash museum even though they didn't exist... They just got to know about the new multiverse in last episode so post crisis timeline they never met zoom or savitar or harry.. thats also confirmed that barry was thought to throw lightening in s1. So you are right, flashpoint didn't happen in post crisis timeline but even if it did happen, the situation of creating would have been different and not zoom , maybe henry died by an accident in post crisis timeline and barry created flashpoint anyway but not due to zoom since we do know henry still died in post crisis timeline but not by zooms hand
Originally Future Flash was fighting Eobard during the original COIE event (that we never got to see) and RF ran to kill young Barry, with Future Flash running after him to stop it. We see them both coming out of a portal when we first saw "The Night". This time, Eobard is already in the year 2000 and he and Barry don't come out of a portal. "The Night" ended up happening the same way, and I believe this is a time remnant of Eobard who appeared in the year 2000 without involving the Future Flash he knew, acting as an automaton to continue the course of events. Remember, Eobard knows a different family Barry had (Dawn was the daughter he knew, for instance). He thought he was speaking to *his* Flash (Future Flash from S1) but he was talking to our Barry, the version he created who got the Speed Force a decade earlier.
So basically a spin off of the original flash can still happen. The one "the night" RF actually coming from?
@@fiqz7017 Technically it could. I'd love to see the events originally leading to "the night" *but* I think Wallace is trying to make this the definitive way it went down... which is technically wrong but he's retconning it. My post is trying to fix what he's doing so it still works with the original canon. Nothing on onscreen (so far) disproves this so it's a way to reconcile the original intent of "The night" with Wallace's latest addition to the lore. :)
All the Flash Series is a flashpoint that become canon?
@Matias that's a good way to put it, but yeah. Eobard changed the timeline and it became the definitive timeline, cemented thanks to him wishing it so when Barry and the others were recreating the multiverse at the end of Crisis.
**Edited because the original way I wrote it made it seem like Thawne helped wish the new multiverse in and not Barry, haha
@ShinySephiroth the thing is, our Barry still hasn't closed the loop. S9 Barry as can be seen from the new clip, he comes from the window while Thawne is fighting someone else which as also seen is still the Flash, but that's not our Barry, you can clearly see when our Barry stops to tell the other Barry not to move, that their is still fighting going on, Flash is still fighting the Reverse Flash but it's not our Barry doing it, and I doubt if our Barry was fighting Thawne and he just left the fight to do something else, why would Thawne keep running in circles and fighting himself, which means our Barry still hasn't been the one to fight Reverse Flash that night, or the one who takes himself out of the house, he only told himself not to come out. So it's still Og Barry fighting Thawne, where did he come from and how he knew, because in his timeline his parents are both alive and he still becomes the Flash, so who knows
So There were 6 Barry's there in that exact timeline? The kid Barry, the one with Nora, the one who fought Thawne, the one who knocked out Thawne to create Flashpoint, the one who let Thawne kill his mother to restore Flashpoint and finally our new timeline Barry...
The Barry who stopped Thawne was erased, so technically only like 5 then, but in the 9x10 scene it’s only s9 barry and s1 barry there in the scene, s3 barry when he lets Thawne kill Nora isn’t there and s5 barry would’ve left the timeline to chase after Nora. And of course Kid barry was ran out of the room so he was
Saved.
The one who fough with RF is season 9 Barry.
Technically only 4 were in the house the flashpoint one was too tired to run so reverse flash bought him home and the one with nora didnt go inside and was earlier in the night by a good half hour or so probably
Don't forget the one earlier with Barry and Nora (West-Allen) when they visited the other Nora and Henry.
@@fachriranu1041 no it’s not but that one got overwritten so technically now yes but originally no
8:00 - the moment Barry truly defeated Eobard. You could see the realization of that in RF eyes. Never even in his wildest dreams he could've imagined Barry being grateful to him for smth.
And Barry defeated him not by beating the shit out of him, not by using some Speed Force Forces, but by showing his humanity and telling the truth. He finally accepted tjis night as the pivotal point in his life and he finally accepted what Eobard did to him.
Can we appreciate Matt Letscher a little more? That's entirely down to his acting. His facial expressions were on point since his first appearance. He should've been the RF not wellsobard
@@ulysses4989 agreed
@@ulysses4989 no hate towards Tom Cavanagh AKA wellsobard. But I liked Matt Letchster better
@@Velocity_YT No hate to Matt Letchster, but I liked Tom cavanagh better. He made the reverse flash for the viewers. The true hate, the genuine disgust.. not just anger.
@@gamerdude4465 touché
I wonder what the people in their houses were thinking when reverse flash was screaming 😂😂😂
What the hell is doing that dude in the middle of street screaming while wearing a halloween suit?
@@PelinalWhitestrake9147 no wonder Eobard had to change his identity 😂
“Ah great. Another teenager screaming in the neighborhood.”
"There's nothing that Thawne can do now but did what he had done earlier, assuming Harrison Wells's identity and creating the particle accelerator which will make Barry the hero he is supposed to be."
Something directors never think about. I had the same thought playing Spider-Man 2 when one of the boss fights is outside Peter's house and he's loudly and openly shouting identifying things in the middle of his damn neighbourhood
Now thawne is stuck in an endless cycle of his own creation. Barry tried to warn him¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But as always, he wouldn't listen 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Lucifer is right, he didn’t create hellloop to punish us, we did . Even in reverse flash case.
How did he try to warn him? Didn't understand, pls explain
@@mad_titanthanos he told him that Thawne could just go back to his own timeline and be the hero he wanted to be and forget about Barry. But of course he chose to try and kill Barry instead 🙄
@@mad_titanthanos barry talked to him face to face before they went to fight their final fight. Barry warned him that if he did what wanted to do, he would lose everything
Matt Letscher as reverse Flash is soo underrated!
I love Tom Cavanagh as Harry wells, but Matt Letscher's reverse flash is much more scary and intimidating in my opinion. Idk if this is unpopular, but i prefered Matt's RF since the very beginning.
Tom was way more intimidating and cold. Matt was more of the guy who wanted to ruin Barry’s life. Both have both but more of that for each of them, key aspects of the character. Kinda like how the joker is differently represented by different actors yet still true
Matt is the definitive Reverse Flash in my eyes. After season 1 with Tom's RF he ruined the charactor in future seasons in my opinion. Plus, with Tom playing 30 different versions of Wells it got old really quick
Matt was way more consistent. Toms season 1 appearance will always be the best but it got worse each season. Matt’s was always good throughout.
When it comes to the scheming villain, I feel like Cavanagh has an edge. When it comes to the rage and jealousy however, Letscher wins
Ever since their conversation in season 2 when Barry had him locked up, I knew I preferred Matt’s version. Felt more comic accurate and you could feel both the hatred and jealousy. He really nails the petty vibe and the digs at Barry to trigger him.
I just realized, Why Thawne lost his powers after killing barry's mother, thawne was needed to teach barry to be the flash. and that was thawnes punishment for killing barry's mother. to watch barry grow up and eventually teach him to be the flash. Fate has a sick and twisted sense of humor. Also loved the little detail that barry gave thawne a head start lmao
Since S1 actually. Thawne instantly realized that if Barry never became Flash, then in turn he would have never become Reverse-Flash. The biggest hint of his plan and that realization is that he was wearing the same clothes that Harrison Wells wore in 2000.
Well that and now that crisis exist that pretty much forced that loo to happen
When Eobard raced off to kill young Barry, I think I know why Barry didn't immediately race after Eobard. I think there's multiple reasons. He's thinking over the events that are about to unfold. He's also giving Eobard a head start because he doesn't want this Eobard to know just how fast the Flash truly is.
I was gonna say, the lightning colour was slightly different before and during the fight
@@maabat8142they didn’t redo the cgi for the old scenes and since they use a new vfx studio then they did back then the lightning was not consistent
I think everyone has this whole situation of events wrong. The first scene we see here where s9 Barry is talking to RF is before he goes through a portal to go back in time. He then goes through the portal after they have talked to each other and that's where original future Barry who never lost his mom catches up to him in the speedforce and they both go through the portal to the past together. S9 Barry only comes to tell s1 Barry to not interfere, that's all s9 Barry does since during that scene, we can still see flashes of light behind s9 Barry meaning the og future barry and RF were still fighting.
@@Danzii well no , no proof of any portals in this
There is something confusing about this barry is so much faster than thawne yet thawne and him are equal in speed here in the battle maybe barry was holding back I don't know.
Love how Barry gave him a head start, lol
not really, barry probbaly paused a bit and be like " is this really it?, is this that momment"
Assuming he has his entire speed at this point. If that's the case how tf did this slow Eobard knock him out by running through him??? Keep in mind season 7 Eobard who was much faster was frozen to Barry. Barry should've both seen and heard Eobard coming, even if he's close he would practically be frozen if Barry acted
@@ulysses4989 barry lets it happen, he probably created a speed mirage to that is fihgting thawne, and the real him is there to wave no to the older season's barry while saving young one
@@ViolentVioletViolin That's not a speed mirage.
He’s much faster. He either stopped completely and did a flash-time with S1 Barry, or he created a speed mirage to tell S1 Barry not to save Nora. Either way, he clearly wasn’t using all his power against the Reverse Flash.
This is the best one. The way all of the scene from all the season has been put together is just perfect .. Finally this night has complete.
Basically Thawne was like:
"How did you find inner peace? I took away your mom, I scarred you for life."
I see what you did here
scars heal
@@geenhaaien no they don’t. Wounds heal.
@@tamariomartin9080 oh yeah. what do scars do, they fade i guess?
@@geenhaaien I don’t care what scars do.
Rest in peace original timeline flash, did not deserve to be erased from existence and replaces by a alternate timeline
Bro can you explain how does og barry erased and who was he i didn't understand in the show
@@KITKATPRODUCTIONidk how he gets erased but i think he comes from the og timeline which is why in 1x17 we see the flash and rf come out of a portal which is them coming from the og timeline
@@KITKATPRODUCTIONThe Barry we see from the future in season one is the variant from the original timeline where he became the flash in 2024, this Barry saved his kid self but while Eobard aka reverse flash is left in the house he ends up killing Barry’s mother which in essence erases the Barry he was even fighting. Due to this he ends up having to create the flash which ultimately rewrote the timeline, this being the case because the flash still does come to be but the events to how it happened are different. So now the flash we saw in season one is now replaced with our season 9 version aka the one we’ve been following since Eobard initially changed the timeline but killing his mother.
@@thefootie1283this is correct but later in season 9 this isn’t the case because Eobard killing his mother basically made it so the original or og timeline no longer exist, so the Eobard we see is somehow a remnant of said original timeline probably created to make sure all events play out. This also makes Barry’s mother’s death a fixed point now because that night is the only thing keeping the timeline together since crisis happened.
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 so it means we already losted our main og Barry and the barry we're seeing from s1 is actually made by thawne in new timeline....I got it but I wish we would be able to see at least an episode of our og Barry from the main timeline that shows how he got his powers, who trained him, how he saved that crowd which was meant to save by Thawne, how it all started etc.
You know, the writing on this show has been hit-or-miss at times.
But I unabashedly love how they framed Thawne's ultimate defeat. When Barry tells him "'ll always grateful, Eobard." After so many years, so much effort, so much hatred dedicated entirely to hurting the Flash, only to achieve the literal opposite of his intentions. There really is no greater failure than this.
He is not the OG Barry but because of all the crisis events that happened he became the New OG Barry...
He basically got retconned so things would come full circle, which makes sense. His life wouldn't happen as it should if our Barry didn't become that future Flash from S1. As that one got protected until he wasn't necessary.
That's the only logical way to say it really, because before Crisis, there's no way in hell he could've even considered becoming OG Barry because it simply doesn't make sense
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 ye
@@themaskedraff it still kinda doesn’t make sense
@@TruthSeeker23099 yea it still kinda don't. But it was still good regardless so I'll ignore it
When you realised this makes Reverse Flash and Barry's 1st fight make so much more sense...
"We've been at this a long time, you and I..." (You have always been...)
"It was your destiny to lose to me Flash" (You win, I can't stop you.)
"Just as it was your mother's destiny... to die that night" (Killing your mother... it's a fixed point!)
nice to see young Barry Allen again especially if you know that irl that young actor who played him tragically passed away about 3 years ago. RIP
What?? Like his double?
@@talrichardson9570 im talking about the kid version of Barry at 11 years old. The actor (Logan Williams) died at 16 years old sadly.
@@azwarith5056 wow that is tragic, what was wrong with him
@@talrichardson9570 Accidental Fentanyl Overdose
@@azwarith5056
Please tell me it was a hospital fuck up and not him doing drugs
I waited for eternity for them to explain this finally at last
Nice way to tie the loose end. This way all of Flash back in time (season 1, flashpoint) extracurricular is actually supposed to happen.
At 6:45 Eobard suddenly realizes that Nora's death is a fixed point that cannot be undone yet he is so blinded by his rage towards Barry that he refuses to accept the fact that Barry did try to warn him.
On a side note: We all saw how Flashpoint turned out, what the hell is Barry thinking in vaguely warning Eobard? He's lucky that Thawne didn't heed his warning, otherwise he might have caused another type of Flashpoint. Now that I think about it, the timeline would have reverted to its original state where Nora was never killed, and Barry became The Flash when he was originally meant to as Thawne accelerated Barry's origins much sooner. The entire series would be wiped out had Thawne had a change of heart.
No Barry warning is to laugh eobard for I already warning you.
The entire series would be wiped out in favor of the timeline we didn't really got to see, the OG timeline that had the crisis of 2024. It would be actually full circle, but the way it came to be works great too. As it doesn't really break the timeline, maybe Flash was always supposed to warn Eobard before, we don't know. The only thing we know is that the prelude to Nora Allen being killed used to be 2024's Crisis, so it was a more epic and climatic fight.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 In that timeline Oliver lives to be 86 too lmao
@@stevendchu that too, Barry vanishes and Oliver lives until 86.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 they should have went…with what you said
It’s a good thing Zoom didn’t notice there were like 2 other Barry’s in the room during that fight he might have suspected he failed his mission of killing kid Barry
Zoom in season 2
@@鄧焯文RF was called professor zoom before
it's kinda messy I'm not sure myself
@@a3sjustaphil397 hunter Zolomon is Zoom Reverse Flash is Thawns due to the show’s popularity this is how it is now in comics
@@a3sjustaphil397 In the comics, Professor Zoom, the Reverse Flash = Eobard Thawne and Zoom = Hunter Zolomon. In the show, Reverse Flash = Eobard Thawne and Zoom = Hunter Zolomon.
@@anthonyallmond3682 thawne is professor zoom, hunter is just zoom, but nobody ever called thawne professor zoom in the show
The part where wells says "run Barry run" at around 2:06 is actually a scene from the first episode in season 1 when Barry fights weather wizard
Rest In Peace little Barry you’ll be remembered always
Yeah
Rip Logan
@@Pattmorewhat happened to the actor?
@@andrewsung3965 passed away O.D years ago
@@9manny99 wtf really he's so young
@@GodDiggetyDoodle Drugs overdose
Anyone noticed that not only did he give reverse flasher head start, but his lightning colour that was orange went down to yellow which is the same colour as it was in the first season in order to match Thorne but not surpass him. We know that Barry's orange lightning is a result of his power up and the reason why he can basically move it ridiculously higher speeds that he could during the season 1. I'm Barry because the lightning colours of speeds just can change in accordance to how fast they move like our zooms lightning colour. Once he moved to the high enough speed Eid with the velocity boost went to blue
OG Barry gained powers in 2020 (6/7th season) so naturally he would be the Flash longer = more expierienced, faster etc.
that's why he's faster I think than OG Barry who had yellow lightning
Him giving him a head start has nothing to do with his speed, that was not at all the point of that moment
It seems to me it is just reused footage. Barry has orange lightning now. The fact that it is yellow when he is fighting Thawne in his home is because of reused footage from Season 1 and laziness of editing the colour from yellow to orange. The lightning colour meanings are pretty bullshit as it doesn't make any sense that The Rival and Black Flash both have Red Lightning (and thus Negative Speed Force?).
Barry isn't trying to stop Thorne his just there to fight for one. Get his past self out of there and let everything else play out how it's supposed to, which means he limited his speed to match. Thorne's since his faster than this version of Thorne and it origin lightning just means it's a speedster has like a very strong connection to the speed force, granting them greater speed
@@solarwindyou say his color of the lighting changes bc he slows down for thawne
No the colors stays the same no matter how fast he runs he still has a greater connection to the speedforxe due to his experience so the lighting is orange even when he runs not that fast he could run
It wasn’t OG Barry fighting Thawne in this. It was season 9 Barry. He probably just made a speed duplicate to fight him while he saved himself as a kid. OG Barry chased Thawne through a portal in the first original flash back to this night. But this Thawne and Barry just started running to the house after talking
The main cause being Crisis on Infinite Earths occurring in 2019 instead of 2024. As you said, the original Barry chased Thawne through a time portal (which was proved from the newspaper that Flash and Reverse-Flash fought and vanished in an "explosion" of light, said explosion which is actually the same time portal you said). And don't forget this happened on Earth-1, to say the original multiverse.
Here, in 9x10, this is Earth-Prime, the new multiverse and since Crisis occurred in 2019 instead of 2024, a lot of things have changed, starting by the Crisis' aftermath. Thawne simply went back to 2000 instead of being chased by Barry and both emerging from 2024.
The 9x10 episode is amazing best episode ever S9 flash telling S1 flash don’t do it that was perfect the circle is complete after 9 years.
It’s not.
I like the version without Flashpoint. Because this version shows Thawne looking a way to stay alive with is own existince, in the events of Legends of Tomorrow. Without Flashpoint, everything makes sense with the two Flash's in the moment of Nora's death.
Flashpoint was one of the worst decisions the show ever made. It erased Barry’s growth throughout the show and created too many holes in the timeline
@@MarcusPearl yep. But Flash point is also a set point in the Flash storyline....it must happen. At some point the Flash always travels back to try save his mother.
@@veemon9280 *fixed point
@@MarcusPearleven if they want to make flashpoint, they should take note from dcamu flashpoint.
@@鄧焯文 i'm sure dcmu's flash point wasn't even planned when the flash did it
Best episode since years! Got me crying, never thought an episode would awaken this flash fire inside me again. Thanks!
I love how Henry and Nora never notice two people standing in the middle of the street watching them, one of which having a resemblance to Nora's father.
Now this episode connects all the dots and created the story of that night. Wow!
what happened to barry at the end?
@@sparrow2068he goes back to the present only to vanish again i think was the future?
Literally, you could start the series over again and again and again because it’s just a time loop
Eobard screaming nooooo at the end made me drop crying with laugh all night😂😂😂😂
My man is now trapped for 15 years just to get clapped by his ancestor💀
Eobard create his own hell, he is punished and trapped for eternity. Create plans again and again, for finally comeback to the beginning of the endless cycle
It’s way more fucked up the way she died since Barry created flashpoint. She’s about to die, then gets saved, just to have two people vanish in front of her and die anyways.
8:10
Neighbor: HEY SHUT THE HELL UP OUT THERE
8:10 Bro Eobard's Scream is so goofy and funny at the same time!😂
Thawne’s scream at the end always gets me
The pain and fury in his voice
Justice for Original Barry.
Including his kids Don and Dawn
fr, bro disconnected it permanently. He'll probably never meet the OG
he’s weak as hell , he was getting treated like a boxing bag by rf
@reckasorus hound Yeah, OG 2024 Barry couldn't beat Eobard but S2 Barry was destroying him. S9 2024 Barry got so fast that he even have Eobard a head start and *still* caught up to him before he got to Barry's house 😆
Keep quiet
Would have loved it even more if they gave us a whole episode of og barry running back in time to stop thawne from killing his younger self and how he felt when he realised thawne took out his anger on his mum. That would be fire!
The episode was great
It's interesting to see it all pieced together like this because when you think about it, this event in It's entirety is the continuous loop that Eobard & Barry are a part of. After watching the show since the very first season, it's very satisfying to see this.
Except that S9 Barry is not OG Timeline Barry, but probably after Crisis S9 Barry became the only version that exists in the loop.
Why is not the original Barry?
@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 Because the original became Flash in 2020 not 2014, came from an universe where he lived a happy life with both of his parents and time travel to the night in the year 2000 during the Crisis of 2024 while fighting Reverse Flash
@@franciscorojas6232 soo who's this Barry? And what happened to the orginal
@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 the original doesn't exist anymore
@@ibrahimk9874 that's what I'm asking what happened to him and until wich season he original was in the series
3:05 that hits different now. Sweet dreams Logan, the fastest kid alive.
What’s crazy is that if flashpoint is included, there were 4 barry Allens there
Just realized, the wine floating from nora's glass was not due to future barry or RF at all. Floating is only ever due to portals opening, and thus the floating of the wine and the water in the fish tank was entirely because of season 1 barry's entrance at the exact same moment
There was floating in s1 when barry first got his powers. Sorry buddy
At one point there was an original flash and reverse flash, but in the end it becomes a paradox where one can’t exist without the other, unless one of them stops the loop.
But as we’ve seen if Barry stop RF from killing his mom it has major effects on the speed force, and with Barry trying to convince thawne to not go through with it as he will lose everything well, thawne will never back down. So this sequence will always play out
My personal argument would be how does this timeline effect the “original multiverse” to the one going on now
Also why does everyone think this “new” multiverse just started now when we saw Oli become the Spector and reset the multiverse with random DC series/movies in the mix
Edit: the original flash didn’t have thawn to make the flash, it was later on the “real” HR had made the partial accelerator which where the “original” flash was born, the original thawn was obsessed with the idea of him centuries later, but went mental when he realised he wasn’t meant to be the flash but his reverse which started the loop
We could theorize that the OG Timeline Oliver and Black Canary were full together alongside with Captain Cold and Heatwave and the The Hawks in COIE. However we could assume that RF basically created a Reverse Flashpoint that became a fixed point because of his actions with caused the Arrowverse to be the way that it is: The CW's Version of an Elseworld MCU
At the end imagine someone in one of those houses thinking: "What's with the screaming?"
This is one of the best scenes ever of the Flash. Of course, the first 2 seasons were the best but this episode really reminded us of why this show was so great.
Thawne:nooooooo
Anakin:now you know how I feel
Amazing the writers had the foresight to include a blurred Flash because they know at some point in the series they'll go back to this scene.
Actually, you'd think Barry got erased. But cobalt blue took him.
This is what I don't understand. How are they going to end the show with a whole comic villain he's definitely going to be wasted
So much has happened within that 8mins all surrounding that one moment
Finally! This is what I am waiting for!
2:01 I wonder why the editors didn't just use the old closeup running. The new close up running just looks goofy if it's not Grant because most actors don't exaggerate their running like Grant. The other actors just stand straight while Grant leans forward for more realism.
Eric Wallace directed, that's something directing should correct. The way an actor moves, they probably didn't do more takes.
I’ve waited 9 years, half of which were excruciating, to finally see the last fight. For nine years I assumed Barry would’ve clocked Thawne the hell out of consciousness, or beat him half to death, but instead got this. And it’s beautiful. Barry telling Thawne that this night didn’t break him, then seeing Thawne tear up out of rage and confusion. Reminds me of The Help when Abileen tells Hilly off and she starts to tear up. “You a Godless woman” and “Today brought me the peace I’ve been looking for ever since, and I have you to thank for that, Eobard” resonate at a high level. If you can’t kill them, break them with words. 🤌
Thawne's run at 2:00 is so goofy 😂😂😂
Thawn said he and berry had been fighting for centuries. Yet I don't remember berry traveling that much to the distance future to battle Thawn. We never actually saw the moment Thawn first meets the flash and not know anything about him
Because the flash RF is referring to is the OG flash not our flash
Should have included the scene from season 1 finale of Barry talking to his mom at the end of this video
That flash was erased from existence
@@abhinavbhargava978 No, he's the Barry that S9 Barry stopped from saving her
Oh I thought he was the s3 flash that saved his mother and created flashpoint.
I don't think he included the clip because of s9 flash stopping him from seeing his mother.
@@abhinavbhargava978the thing is he actually went to see her after the fact.
The reason why we didn’t see that Scene again because season 9 Barry left the house to talk to RF one last time. Canonically season 1 Barry still talked to her in her dying moments.
Thawne isn't vibrating in the new scenes because it's from the POV of Season 9 Barry who is much faster than the Thawne who killed his mother.
False, writers are just lazy.
@@retriet what does the writers got anything to do with the effects? You should be blaming the vfx artists but if you did you’re still wrong because my comment is a fact
@@OmzigCrist123 I meant Eric Wallace, the show runner. Your claim is false, that guy has no creativity or any skill in show running. He’s lazy, he threw out the vibration effect at the start of season 8 for whatever reason. Barry at the end of season 7 was shown to be much faster than thawne yet thawne still had the vibrations there. So yeah like I said your comment is false.
@@OmzigCrist123Your claim is false.
@@kharmann4369 nah.
4:24 my guy was literally like its a canon event
Now this comes in full circle😮
No it’s not.
There are only a few things that can make me cry genuinely. That flash scene when he comes back in season 1 to say he’s ok to his mom before she dies in his arms, that thing was perfectly made.
The chaos that lead to one the most powerful beings in the Arrowverse
You forgot the Barry who revealed himself to his mom when she was dying
thats s3 flashpoint barry then he gets erased by his future s3 self and nora gets killed at 4:45 u can see
@@trickzwhtv No that's S1 Barry, you're confusing the two
@@trickzwhtv no, flashpoint Barry saves her, but after flashpoint, when he goes back and let's thawne kill her, he goes in and reveals himself to his mom and says goodbye
Having Barry THANK HIM has got to sting more than any blow Thawne has received in the show
So the RF that went to 2016 and learned Barry’s identity, is he the OG RF that ended becoming S1 Wells RF? Or was he the RF that gets stoped by S2 Barry?
Well he said why did you let me kill your mom at first I thought he talking about how barry didn't try to stop him but thinking about it maybe just maybe he was talking about flashpoint that at last he let RF kill his mom
It's the OG Thawne
@@SnoozySnacksLegacy Okay and the OG thawne ended up being s1 Thawne. So that night a basically a fixed point in his life too then right? Along with Barry and Nora
They’re the same guy that both reach this point and then branch out depending on the flashpoint timeline or the s1 timeline. So the RF 2016 becomes this Thawne that could either become Flashpoint-Legends-S8 Thawne, or become the S1-8 Wellsobard version
This should have been the final episode tbh
Yes
Definitely. Had I known the finale would have Reverse-Flash NOT BEING the final boss as he deserved and as it should HAVE BEEN, this is how it should have ended...
I loved, this episode but Matt's unblurred running at 2:00 is just-
Ok but can we talk about Eobards running at 1:58?? Bart 2.0😂😂😂
Underrated comment 😂
They dont even have budget to phase speedsters anymore 😭😭😭😭 wonder how zoom's gonna run.......
@@Mak_Editz694 You can already see in season 5
@@farhaanqureshi6899 atleast they made reverse flash cool towards the end
@@Mak_Editz694it’s literally a CapCut edit not hard lol
Yeah, this is the best video of the full events that night. Very well edited!
Sir please do not scream outside my house we are trying to sleep
Lol
Theres a version in which eobard forgets everything that happened but still gets pushed into the main events that lead him to become reverse flash. He then recreates the event that gave barry his speed steals a suit ,runs back in time at which his suit becomes yellow ( the speed force changes it )runs into the flash gets his ass whooped asking why he is getting his ass kicked looks at his own suit and recognizes he is the big bad.
I honestly got a bit tired of every season trying to find a reason to come back to this day, but after season 9 I can’t help but love it.
In a sad but cool way we finally arrive at the 2nd variation of events that started it all. All different moments of different Flash coming back to this night. They all precognitively come fitting together from the brief tid-bits of episodes we seen in various seasons.
6:32 “…and then you stopped me from doing so, and you kept me prisoner just to let me go and do it again! And then come back just to tell me off!! Asshole!!!”
😂😂
Original barry , season 1 barry ,season 2 barry , season 5 barry with original nora (Xs) , and current season 9 barry . Been along fun ride of the flash .⚡️
Original Barry is season 9 Barry.
@@fachriranu1041 No he's not there was always a original barry that had both his mom and dad. Got his powers met iris and had twins named don allen and dawn allen. Now after crisis it season 9 barry that's goes back too save his younger self from thawne . Season 9 is the one that's saves him in the timeline now but originally it was the original barry . Thawne even called nora dawn when he met her in episode 5x8.
@Fachri Ranu Not as far as we know. S1 led us to believe OG Flash was fighting Thawne during *their* COIE and went back in time. The first time we see this night, Eobard and Barry arrive via a time portal from the speed force and Barry's suit is different. Eobard also knows Barry has a daughter named Dawn, but post-Flashpoint/"The Night" it becomes Nora instead. Our Barry became the Flash a decade earlier, too.
@@ShinySephiroth1 The creator didn't know what suit he would have when they were done with the show they didn't think that far ahead . Original thawne found out much about barry life his parents , his kids otherwise he wouldn't have been supirsed by the changes since killing nora which is now a (fixed point) .The show has teased us so much that we might see the original flash but they made it clear now that our current flash (prime flash) has replaced him similar too how current future nora replaces original (XS) nora . There was always the barry with both parents and twins otherwise thawne wouldn't have been in the picture and gave us our prime barry .
@@tybattle123 The creator not knowing the suit is the Doylian explanation, but we have to go in-universe. Either way, my comment was agreeing with yours - OG Barry was replaced by S9 Barry. I'm not sure what you're arguing here because that is what I was saying.
what about the scene where he says "this is not going to make any sense but mom, its me barry, your barry" because in that timeline she dies too
That’s the same Barry that was crying at the door
Which season is that Barry from?
@@canucksrock12 Season 1
This honestly gives a full story of that night in a single video. This is absolutely incredible great job!
Is it just me or is that every time a villain screams no out loud you feel bad for them
No
8:10 when you haven't studied for a test because you ridn't know about it
what makes it weird that we saw the s9 suit. But during the fight between them, I saw the OG flash suit which makes it completely different from this time of Barry
8:11 eobard - noooooooooooo!
Neighbor - hey shut up we're trying to sleep
Others have said it before me, but I'll reiterate on what happened given the information we have.
OG Barry before Crisis is from an alternate timeline where he became the Flash much later in time. He had Iris as a wife and had two daughters. He probably didn’t have Cisco or Frost, or any one from Team Flash. He was probably a solo hero working on his own.
He had his run ins with the Reverse Flash and eventually chased him down to the past to stop him from killing his younger self.. that right there js a fixed point in time. It always had been kr else Flash would've never become who he is.
The entirety of The Flash series started when RF changed the timeline by having to fast track Barry becoming the Flash years earlier than the OG Barry. This also led to the creastion of Team Flash and everything. The Flash and the constant timetraveling adventures had affected and changed the timeline, which is why the OG Crisis never saw the team up of Hawkman & Hawkwoman with Green Arrow, as well as the merger with Wayne Enterprises and Queen Consolidated...possibly Batman existing or birthing the existence of Batwoman.
After flashpoint, things changed... the timeline changed.. this eventually led to a different Crisis which then ended rebooting the entire reality.
Since then, S9 Flash became the OG Barry. The entire event of that night changed because of the establishment of S9 Barry as OG Barry, meaning OG Barry died timelines ago.
What we saw in Season 1 is an alternate version of what actually happened.
No , he had justice league.
6:15 how am i supposed to get back
Gideon: i dont f**ken know
They really pulled it out this is a phenomenal😢❤ episode
5:36 - Thought it would've been cool to see Barry give his past self a hug in flashtime when he put him down before leaving
It’s the closure that Barry finally excepts his past nd can move on with his future that is what makes the flash the flash his past present nd outlook to the future he never gave up no matter how hard emotionally or physically it could get
Well, that explains why Wells was so cold to Barry. Imagine flat out telling someone "I'm responsible for the worst day in your life" then they thank you before vanishing and leaving you stranded in the past where you eventually help him get faster
That no at the end was kind of funny.
He got stuck there 😂
I just realized that thawne probably thought that when Barry disappeared that way he was being erased from the timeline
But what about the Barry who was inside of his younger self’s room? Cause after everyone leaves he walks out and talks to his Mom again before she dies
Correct me if I’m wrong but when S9 reverse flash runs out and loses his speed. S3 reverse flash is still in the house after killing Barry’s mom again because S3 RF leaves and goes back to the future. So if RF really wanted to he could’ve saved S9 reverse flash and sent him back to his future which would have kept Harrison wells alive, and ultimately Barry wouldn’t get his powers until 2020 which would make him the Original Timeline Flash. It’s also crazy to me that S1 Flash went back to save his mom and S2 version actually did but then got erased and S1 Flash doesn’t even know that lmao.
3:42 how come the other part of the fight wasn’t featured in the actual episode?????? Is that a deleted scene or something?
this was from s1 ep17, in 9x10 they also re used the footage, not every scene too
It’s crazy that 5 different Barry’s are all there at one point that night either before the fight happens or during, it shows how much he was back and forth with his ability’s weather he should save her or not and finally being the man that saves himself and lets hims mother die because he knows the consequences
I wonder what happened to this season 2 Barry in season 3 maybe he was sent to his own time and his mind was erased or was he completely erased from existence?
Its so weird to see reverse flash in that suit without the glowing eyes
2:07 Maybe you meant the vibrational effect that made him look like a yellow blur?
@@byonemesis yes that one
Honestly this recent episode prob had some of the best writing and acting in recent seasons.
Now everything adds up to that night
A moment of silence for the disrespect thawne received....he was given a five second headstart to the crime scene... that's like two speedster years😂😂
Then got is ass whooped enough that it bought current flash like 3 seconds to tell his past self don't do it...3 seconds might as well be a coma for a speedster for all we know😂
Then he rubbed it in his face omg he is the goat😂😂
Yep. The completed timeloop actually shows that the Flash who is fighting Thawne in the room...is actually way more competent than Thawne...he's only going through the fight because he knows it must happen...he's merely fulfilling the Paradox.
Eight seconds actually!
More like 10 seconds😭
Great compilation... Damn, there were 4 Barrys in this incident at the same time.