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- Is the new 400 worthy of a Triumph badge on its tank, or is it just a cynical rebadging exercise?
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:33 Equipment
04:45 Engine
07:03 Competitors
08:32 Reliability
09:58 Where's my Scrambler 400X?
11:22 Final thoughts
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I don't think any reviewer has done, or will do a more-thoughtful overview and riding review of this new Triumph. The 400X Scrambler, ergonomically, would be the ideal version for me. Unfortunately though, my nearest dealer is 90 miles away...
Thank you. I totally understand the distant-dealer problem. I think I have ruled out the Moto Guzzi Stelvio for that very reason😥
RM certainly sets a high bar
Thank you😊
My nearest d dealer is 260 miles away, but my Scrambler 1200 xe is worth it. It hasn't required a trip back "home" either
I bought a scrambler 1200. 90 miles is what I do for fun.
They'll sell out.
It's as much as you need most of the time. I'm becoming more and more a smaller bike person. Light, carefree motorcycling with no 5 minute preflight checklist before you ride.
Simple bliss.
Good review.
Ride safe 👍
I get that totally, but I couldn’t justify having 4 bikes😥
"User Friendly" is the phrase I'd use. I agree 100% they'll sell well 👍
Agree just something you hop on and take for a cruise
From an end of A2 experience and a serious crash with a wild animal if I buy again a bike considering that agility lightness are the key factors for me so I tried CL500, speed twin 900, scr Morini 61/2 and for 2 days the speed 400. Based on my needs out of these 4 bikes the Speed 400 is the one that ticks my priorities and I was not expecting such a torquy and easy reving engine. In my country a Yamaha xsr 125 cost only 600€ less! I ‘am about to purchase it , only a KTM 390 I still need to try.
@@alb3096 the ktm 390 is much more fun to ride than the triumph, but the after sales service is a bit spotty in some areas
Being one of the first few owners of Speed here in India, I don’t have any problem with the bike in my 5 months of ownership. One can’t get a better Bike than this for $3500 !
Even I didn’t need this bike (since I have a 225 CC motorcycle and also a Kawi 650), but the mouth watering price made me go for an impulse buy which I’m not regretting!
Also, note that Bajaj is a hugely popular brand in India which makes and exports its own motorcycles in addition to owning almost 50% stake in KTM (and making their sub-500 CC motorcycles)
That’s good to hear! Thanks for your input and ride safe👍😊
It's really good-looking bike!
Superb review Mr RM! 🎉
Thank you👍😊
Good review Mate!
Thanks👍😊
Your reviews lead and others follow. Very informative, well done.
Thanks. Glad you enjoy them👍😊
Great review!
Thanks, Pistol😊
Great. well balanced review. Thanks.
Thank you, Edward :)
I think it's a fine looking bike, the sort of thing I'd have gone for 25 years ago when starting. There was a dearth of 4/500's back then. I'd go for the X version though due to the higher seat, long legs...
I'm jealous of the nice weather there, cold and drizzly here in the val de Loire !
Yes, remarkably nice looking for ‘only’ €5,500 (€5,600 in France where VAT is 3% less🤷♂️). I wanted the Scrambler essentially for the legroom, too. Sinon, tenez bon, le printemps arrive😎
I had to look up Val Dr loire! I'm in St Louis Missouri lol!
Good review again and nice bike
Positive, encouraging comment again. Thank you😊👍
I always appreciate your measured and considered reviews and this one is no exception. Cheers! 👍
Thanks, Richard😊
Bravo........excellent review. I'm guessing they will make there way to the U.S. by early summer, hopefully sooner. Once again, great job.
Thank you. I've been told that NA will be getting these in the summer, yes. Ride safe :)
Ordering one for my daily commute to replace the 125 I currently use. For the price it’s ideal, and the box can take the laptop etc. It also means the pride and joy can be left in the garage for dry weekends.
Good call. It is infinitely nicer than a 125👍😊
I like it. It is a perfect city bike. Looks good and just has a good vibe.
I agree. I wish I had a use for one😊👍
RM has a very good relationship with his Triumph dealer, so relying on them to deal with any issues seems natural. Some of us are not as fortunate though.
I wish the new Honda CL500 hadn't turned out so ugly. I'd probably trade my TS 660 in for one otherwise.
True, Triumph Algarve are good, but as a company Triumph can’t afford to ignore warranty claims
good review! keep it up...
Thanks, Tiago👍😊
I know the tiger name has become attached to the adventure triumphs but, this bike reminds me of the tiger cub of the sixties.
True, hadn't thought of that! Ride safe :)
@ 4:15 you are absolutely bang on with that suggestion. It really would transform the look.
👍😊
Nice review RM. The Scrambler was top of my shortlist until recently when I saw the new Honda NX500. I'll have to let the test rides decide it for me. Thanks for the ride around Vilamoura... a lovely spin down memory lane for me 👍
Thanks, Steve. Having owned a CB500X, I think the new NX will be more versatile than the Scrambler
Honda is definitely the way to go 🙌
Two cylinders is better.
Excellent review.. You even researched about the ownership reviews/issues coming from India about the stalling and broken swingarm. Well done 👌
Thank you :)
Yes, they drive with three people on the worst roads you can imagine
I can confirm being a Speed 400 owner with stalling issues. Last software update has resolved this stalling issue. And That swingarm case was also a 1 odd scenario otherwise cant seen any major problem in my or any bike in my known.
Bloody good review Sir
Thanks👍😊
Thanks for mentioning reliability.
Let’s hope it’s not a problem🤞
A few clarifications:
1. The Indian variant of the Speed 400 comes with Apollo Alpha H1 or MRF Steelbrace tyres, which are pretty good for our road conditions. I don't think Ceat is one of the suppliers for the 400s.
2. The stalling issue has been fixed with an ECU update already.
3. The Speed gets sintered pads, while the Scrambler variant gets organic pads. That's why the Speed brakes have better bite inspite of the Scrambler getting a bigger disk up front. This was done deliberately to offer more progressive bite on the Scrambler for dirt trails.
4. The short ratios for the first 3 gears can be annoying in stop-go traffic but once on the move, you can pick up from 30/40/50 in the 4th/5th/6th gears respectively. The engine is really tractable.
I got mine mid October 2023 and am really enjoying riding it. It's a really likable motorcycle and looks handsome. Looks wise, only things I wish were different are the gold forks (would have preferred black), a smaller logo like the Scrambler 400x and wish the rear end was a more retro design to gel well with the overall neo retro design.
Thanks for the clarifications :)
Looks like a lovely little bike
It really is. Unfortunately, at the moment, I have no real use for one :)
That's not a bad situation to be in!
I´m waiting for the red one i purchased to arrive in a few days. I have already a Guzzi V7 850 but i think this Triumph will be a good little sister for her. Excellent review (and i watched almost every review of this bike).
Thank you, Mauricio. Enjoy your red Speed😊👍
Awesome review! After a few years of not riding, I might get back into it this spring. This is a the top of the list, along with the 2024 Vitpilen 401. Hope you get to do a review on one of those too!
Thanks, Papi. I’d love to review the 401, but unfortunately there are no dealers in the Algarve😥
Bummer! I would've loved to have your take on it. I'm also seeing a lot of Tridents being sold for some significant discounts. I know its a much more powerful motorcycle. As a previous owner, worth an extra $2K, I'm in the US, over the Speed 400? Thanks again! @RocketMan_Moto
@@papi96 It would depend on your intended use I suspect. If you are purely riding in the city or on shorter trips, then I would go for the lighter, cheaper, more nimble 400. If you intend to take longer trips that triple 660 is sublime..
Spot on! I did a back to back test rides last Sunday with Interceptor and S400 and this is 80% of that.
S400? Scrambler? Which did you prefer?
@@RocketMan_Moto S400, scrambler handlebar is little too wide for my liking, I am 5'11 but S400 is just fine for me as a multi purpose bike.
Went and looked at the 400x today ..very nice in the flesh , very impressed with it , I refused a test ride because I’m certain I’d be taking delivery of one if I did ..can’t justify one just yet 🤔
Haha, snap!😬
Nice real world perspective review!
This little bike appears to be well made, handsome, light, performs decently and is reasonably priced machine that one can be proud of owning and being seen on. (Let's keep it real, the last two items are important to most riders.)
Some what reminds me of performance/qualities of my first street bike, waaay back, a new 1981 Suzuki GSX 400, and I went everywhere with that gem...excellent economy and very decent on road performance.
Yes, I think this bike is going to sell. Thanks for watching and ride safe :)
Good review. All said and done, is what may be the obvious choice when my scrambler 900 becomes (or when I admit it becomes) too heavy to be usefully enjoyed. I had thought I may have to follow the masses to a Hunter or even go to Caballero but this little bike looks ideal
I would certainly go for the 400X over a Hunter or a Fantic :)
So refreshing to have a review without the hype ( although in a recent post on my channel I called it hysteria), loved the review, and I accept its a cracking buy.
PS with 50yrs of biking behind me, I was so hot in Europe last Sept I did a lot of miles glove less....not done that since I was 16..Lock me up!!! Haha
Thanks, Graham. I'm getting a lot of stick for the gloves! ;)
Jus get some better gloves!
I waited six months for the bike and when it was in the showroom, it also became clear to me that it was more about the brand than the applicability. In the end, I bought a Yamaha XSR 700. Great review.
Thanks. The XSR 700 is on the next level in terms of power… and price (+€3000). Enjoy👍😊
Different league!
Apples vs. Oranges...clearly.
I also went looking for a Honda PCX 150 and ended up going with a Road Glide.
Smart man 👍🙌
Nice review and like yourself, I'd like to see different tank graphics; this is just to gaudy for my taste, but each of us are different. I run a Guzzi Breva 750, but my daughter's looking to upgrade from her Suzuki VL250 and I think this Speed 400 might be just the thing for her.
A nice upgrade from a VL250 :)
Thanks for this review. I'm realizing I'm not really interested in dealing with a heavy bike (for me that's 200+ kg), so this (actually the scrambler) would be perfect. Enough power to have fun, but still light weight. I'd be actually satisfied with my current CB300R if the seat would be crap. This Speed's seat looks comfy enough. Yay!
I can’t wait to test the Scrambler. I think the 2 bikes are more different to ride than they look
You have such a nice soothing deep voice and you sound so kind even when you dismissed the bike for yourself 😉
I don't know if this is supposed to be a small town or a city suburb but writing from India, I really really envy the nice empty roads, it's such a pleasure to watch empty roads. We only saw this during peak covid lockdowns. We would have 50 bikes in the stretch of road that was visible in front of the camera and guess what, 😎 all of them would be doing higher speeds than you were doing.
Yes it can look very chaotic and very scary out here. Speed, scrambler, interceptors, Himalayas, scrams, the other REs, and a host of small capacity commuter bikes and scooters and cars and trucks and 3 wheelers and pedestrians and cattle. Whew! 😀🙏
Nice video and great skies
Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. It’s true that the roads here are largely empty, except during the summer holidays in July & August when we are invaded by tourists. Ride safe😊
Excellent review as always.
The scam 400 seems the perfect way to go for anyone commuting to work and fun weekends.
Thanks, Mike👍😊 ‘Scam 400´?😂
@RocketMan_Moto imagine it was a scam 😳 we won't really know until these bike have done 20k. If that swinging arm hits something solid will it hold up.
Let's hope so.
Guess you think about the RE Scram 411 ??? … it’s a speedy ❤, but there’s no other better keeper than the SpeedTwin so ! ✨😜🥰
Great chann,had to sub !
Thanks, John :)
Thanks for another great , no BS , review . It certainly looks a great little bike , if I wanted a commuter or a back lanes bike , I'd choose it over any of the 350 Enfields because it has a bit more zip. But alas it's not really the kind of bike for the roads around here . Bigger bikes that can carry luggage for longer distances are what's required [ Darn it ! ] .
Time will tell if Bajaj Indian build quality/ reliability is better than Royal Enfield Indian build quality/ reliability .
I'm betting there won't be much difference .
I agree and that's the problem I had, and why I cancelled: lovely looking but where would I actually use a 400? Ride safe :)
Can you install Lowering Kits on these? Planning your install adjustable ones to lower it by an inch just so I can flat foot it to get used to the bike first.
If you can't today, I'm sure there'll be kits out soon. It would make an ideal first bike. Ride safe :)
Bearing in mind it's only 6hp down on an early 70's Triumph Bonneville it's an excellent machine and will sell very well.
Good point. Yes, it is a very nice bike. Triumph has done well to bring it to market at such a competitive price👍
@@RocketMan_MotoI have one on order, might be with me by mid-spring.
Excellent. You’ll love it😊
Great and objective review. One detail if I may… wearing gloves would be a nice way to set an example for new riders 😉
Thanks. I know: Gloves, an Apology
th-cam.com/video/NSkKY69WJ-E/w-d-xo.html 😉
Very good vid, thanks. The speed is now number 1 on my list as it passed the Kawasaki eliminator se. It just seems more like wine than beer. I only wonder about maintenance costs. Any thoughts?
I don’t expect Triumph’s 400s will be any more costly to maintain than the main competitors
Err I'm not sure where the idea of the front forks being showa, but I've heard they are 'Endurance' suspension both ends, which is a very well known company in India, if they came from showa they would certainly have their name on the tin! 😊
You may be right. Someone told me they were Showa, but I couldn’t see any evidence of branding on them
@@RocketMan_Moto no, there is no obvious branding, which if these were showa would probably be on the top cap, but a few people have stated that they are Endurance units, which having bought some rear shocks for a meteor I had a short while ago, I can easily believe that, especially given its India built makes sense 👍🏻
I was surprised when told they were Showa, tbh🤔
3 months ago I got what will probably be my last bike, a 2001 BMW F650Gs. I paid $2K. I'm 71 with all kinds of medical probs. Its a great little machine, with a last-forever Rotax engine. It's the newest bike I've ever owned. Before that I had a Blackbird for 7 years. Should not have sold it! Can't find one now...over here! Cheers from St Louis Missouri!
Thanks, John :)
I see an interesting pattern with these 400 Triumphs, i know many, many people put down deposits and then pulled out subsequently. I had a deposit down on a green 400X, test rode it and asked for my money back. Like you i thought the brakes, comfort and looks were great. I found the engine a mixed back, yes the Euro 5 snatchiness was present and correct but it's hardly unique in that regard and it was punchy enough for a 400 single but it also felt buzzy in an overgrown 125 kind of way. Worst of all however was a front end that felt so firm as to spoil the entire ride, goodness knows what it would be like even on a gravel road. I completely agree with you that when you open the garage there should be a buzz when you see the bike but if it all starts to feel a bit under developed when you turn a wheel then that smile soon fades. It's quite the polar opposite of say a Z400, a desperately plain parallel twin looks wise that has a wonderful engine and a simply sublime chassis for such a basic bike. Ultimately this will sell on looks alone because for the money, the NX500 is not a million miles away and is in a completely different league performance wise imho.
Interesting comment about the harsh front end. Like you, I was sold on the looks, but maybe I would have backed out anyway once I'd ridden it. I wasn't prepared to take the chance. But you're right, it will sell on looks and price alone. Ride safe :)
That was an excellent review! You answered all of my questions, including: "Is it for me?" And, the honest answer is yes! Both my bikes are 'big boi' bikes & I could use a drop a box off @ the P.O. bike, or, I only need milk for my coffee bike. I used to have a nice Hyosung 250 cruiser for them, but I gave to a new enthusiast. Or, she wouldn't give it back?
Glad you found it helpful👍😊
great review and thoughts RM, you do review well - I think this is a very good move by Triumph and they've delivered to market a very desirable bike based on current trends that will sell. I have a Z650RS, which I applaud Kawasaki for delivering again at the right time and to the right market. There are rumours of a Z400RS for next year with Kawa's new four cylinder motor in it. If that's true, then I think that will do very nicely as well....
Thanks, Tim. Oooh, a Z400RS would definitely appeal to me👍😊
I'd seriously consider a Z400RS (I-4) or Z450RS (P-Twin). I already have a KLX300 Supermoto, but I'd consider swapping for a Z4RS.
Totally👍
Seriously considering the 400 scrambler and downsizing from my 1200gs
Interesting. That’s a serious downsize, but I get it. As I said, I do sort of regret cancelling, especially as they’re now all sold out for the next 6+ months
I like your calm, pragmatic reviews. Will you be reviewing the Scrambler version. That is the one i woukd be interested in. Also, I tour a couple of times a year on California freeways which run at 75+ speeds, do you think it would hold up without feeling like it is abusing the engine? I had a RE 411 which I loved but felt like it would blow up every time I pushed it to those speeds. Thank you
Thanks, John. I will be reviewing the Scrambler as soon as Triumph Algarve get their demo bike, but I’ve been told this could be a few weeks😬
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks bud, my local dealer is supposed to be getting them in shortly so I'm looking forward to a test ride because at the end of the day it's about how we feel riding them, right? I was really interested in the Himy but I've been told it could be a year or more before we get them stateside and I can't go that long without 2 wheels! Thanks again for your response, I'll be checking back often 👍
Thanks, John. North America always seems to be last in line for new bikes🤷♂️
I don't know why the Husqvarna 401 gets always overlooked. It's in the same segment with a duke 390 engine and with Pirelli scorpion tyres and spoked wheels. It also gets fully adjustable suspension at the front and preload at the back. LED lights all round. Also, It's been around since 2018 and is cheaper than the Triumph. New model coming out soon with TFT screen, bigger tank and more ground clearance.
Just my observation on the press groupies you mention at the start that talk like Triumph are revolutionising the segment.
Tbh, I overlook Husqvarnas mainly because there are no dealers here unfortunately😔
I bounced back and forth between the 2. Bought the street version. No regrets. May pick up a Himalayan when the 452s become available to satisfy the dirt roads - the Speed 400 is a bit squirrely on gravel.
I agree. The Speed would be my choice
I'm going to buy it for the city or long trips, it's the value I have at the moment and in my opinion it's the best value for cost benefit. I don't think I need a higher top speed than hers on any occasion, so for me it will be great for the value and beauty of this bike.
Good choice!👍
Well it looks very good, it seems not expensive ... the scrambler as a light additional bike where i might leave the road feels attractive.
There are also the 390 KTMs but the look, no no noooooo!
I can't wait to try the Scrambler now :)
With a lot of people downsizing at the moment this bike really came in as a wild card I had the KTM 390 adventure and the BMW 310 GS at the top scrapping for placement the the CF moto 450 and RE Him 450 joined in. I was going to get the KTM and tested this about a month ago and the dealership said they just got them in and did I need another test ride well I took a red and black one for N hour ride and it’s an amazing little bike I have the 400x scramble ordered replaces the Harley 883 Iron 883 2017 even gf approved. Owner of a BMW 310GS
Good choice. Enjoy😊👍
Hi RocketMan, how does the engine of the Triumph compare to a CB500X? It seems they are somewhat in the same category of motorbikes?
Similar, but the Triumph seems more spirited. The torque kicks in earlier👍
Although I haven't yet had the opportunity to test either of these Triumph 400 models they look like one of them will be my last bike. When I can't handle the size and weight of my Tiger 800 anymore and given that imminent retirement means no need to get anywhere in a particular hurry I will probably replace it with one of these. I do agree that the logo is a bit OTT, but maybe that's because it is a bike that is aimed at a rather younger market than this old codger..
You can’t go wrong with either, although I did actually prefer the Speed, once I’d tried the Scrambler😊
I haven't ridden a Scrambler 400 but sat on one, they look great though. Like you, no use for one unfortunately. I do know, they are flying out of the dealerships. A game changer for Triumph.
Let's hope so, they deserve to be big sellers.
Que descubrimiento más bueno acabo de hacer con este canal. Me encanta. Por fin un vídeo de las nuevas triumph diciendo algo diferente, y no lo mismo que los demás. Congrats ¡
Thank you😊👍
what are your thoughts for speeds for two up touring with some lugage. I mean between 400, 900, and 1200.
Tbh, none of the bikes you list is particularly suited to touring, at least with a passenger. The 900 & 1200 have enough power, but it would be a bit cramped😬
Sounds like all this bike needs is a slightly smaller rear sprocket or one tooth increase on the front sprocket to improve the gearing.
I would definitely look into that if I bought one👍😊
Put an order in for a speed 400 at the weekend, test road it and loved it. I also have a Monkey bike and a Kawasaki z400. I like smaller capacity bikes.
Nice! Congratulations. I like small bikes, too. Had a Monkey and a Grom a couple of years ago👍😊
I'd be interested to know what you make of the 400X at some point.....I wonder whether you'll rethink your decision on ordering one? (I have 5 bikes...I don't NEED 5 bikes....but they all get used!).
I do sort of regret cancelling, especially as the green ones are now sold out for the next 6+ months, but I just know that I wouldn’t really have used it.
Locating that diode/rectifier under the seat right next to the battery is a pinhead idea. If indeed that's what that finned metal thing is, and I can't see what else it could be. It's gonna heat up under there and burn out, and heat up the battery. The Bonnevilles used to place them under the headlight., and automotive ones have fan blades inside the alternator to keep them cool. They need air circulation.
It will be interesting to see how these new 400s fair for reliability. No meaningful data yet.
@@RocketMan_Moto I think it's just electrical physics, rocket man. LOL! Rectifiers are diodes that convert electricity to heat; there's no way around it-- that's what they do. I burned out 2 of them in 2 separate automobiles on long trips . One colorful breakdown required a long hike in Amarillo , Texas in August.
I'm almost certain due to heat build up. Because the way I read the tea, that diode will act as a resistor when the battery is crying uncle due to max charge at around 13.1 volts, and the diode becomes excessively hot, and fails. That electrical output of the alternator has to go somewhere, and if the battery can't take anymore, it winds up in the rectifier. Maybe Triumph is trying to bring back the LEGEND of crap electrical problems, LOL.
Well, we'll see!!! As it is, even well-vented rectifiers fairly commonly burn out on modern bikes!
I bought a Kawasaki Z400 a few years ago to have a back-roads playtoy. I liked the combination of light weight, sufficient power, and low price. I don't particularly like the way it looks. If this motorcycle had been around at the time, I would have probably gotten it instead. A little less power but much better looks. I don't gear-up to ride my Z400 to the store or on errands, though. I might do so on a Speed 400.
These new Triumphs are good lookers for sure👍
Thanks for your review , I test rode one today in the pouring rain after a wet ride to the dealership, way to awkward for me and that front brake 😧 riding home on my speed twin it was like being back in bed with woman you love , old I may be but I think can live with the speed twin for a bit longer and definitely the wife. Although ride on the 400 speed might on better weather 😊 regards Fred
It does look similar to the Speed Twin, but it's completely different to ride, lol :)
Very good review, how did you find the size? as you are quite tall.
I was expecting it to be cramped, but it was actually fine. Barely any smaller than my 1200.
The low gearing of the CB300R spoiled it for me, shoulda put on a bigger front sprocket. I think the more obvious competitors to these Triumphs are the Husqvarna 401s.
Similarly priced they are better equipped, most notably with quick shifter and adjustable suspension. They've got more power and are significantly lighter. The 2024s add many more features including traction control, rider modes, and a TFT display,
Agreed. Unfortunately there are no Husqvarna dealers in the Algarve, so I have no experience of these 401s.
@@RocketMan_Moto Cheers RM!
Just wondering is all the warning stickers on the tank are removable, or are they under the lacquer? They seem (like many new bikes), excessive.
Easily removable👍😊
I received mine yesterday, and I asked the shop to be removed before the delivery. No prob at all.
Thanks for the confirmation👍
My other half has a deposit on a Speed 400 for when she passes her test - hopefully in April. We sat on one just before Christmas in a local dealer but I'm test riding it for her later in February to see what they are like. She's 5 ft 6 inches so the low-ish seat height and the ability to get the seat padding modified to accommodate her is a big draw along with the looks which she loves. I'm hoping it will be the ideal progression for her from the Honda 125. Sounds like it might.
Absolutely. It's much nicer than a 125 and should be low enough for your wife; she's the same height as Mrs RM, who felt perfectly comfortable on it
Thanks for the review! I think they're both great looking bikes, and for city riding (NYC here) it's all that's needed ... if you don't do out-of-town trips like myself. As for the gearing ... can it be solved with a sprocket change? Cheers!
Yes, swapping the sprocket would be one of the first mods I would do. Glad you enjoyed the video😊👍
Hi Rocket after watching one of your vids just changed my tank pads on my 1200 speed twin a waste that was , as now decided to change bike so lo and behold pushing 75 years I think it’s time for me to downsize so will it be the speed 400 or scrambler 400 x 😮many thanks for your vids and feedback 🇬🇧 Fred ps a test ride coming up when I can get one
Oh dear, pity about the tank pads. Maybe you could remove them, reapply some 3M tape and put them on the Speed 400. I think the Scrambler has them as standard, but the Speed doesn’t😉
@@RocketMan_Moto thanks for your suggestion 👌
I'm trying the 400s tomorrow. I still like the KTM 390 Adventure too. I have 1200cc adventure bikes but sometimes less is more
Absolutely. If only I could justify having 4 bikes😬
@@RocketMan_Moto I have 7 🙂
My partner is doing her CBT though and I don't want to be 'toof toofing' around on a 1200cc bike with her. I have a Tracer 7 which is awesome for when I want something smaller but am considering if I can get away with 400-500cc.
I do 2 or 3 big tours a year and have a Tiger 1200 Explorer and KTM 1290 Super Adventure for those but you know what, even then I have taken the Tracer to both the Algarve and Romania. The 1200 bikes are great but at 64, I beginning to appreciate smaller bikes.
PS, Eo gosto de cedvedja preta!
That’s a nice garage you have there! I totally get the small bike thing and wouldn’t be without my trusty 350 scooter😀
@@RocketMan_Moto SE England is so crowded now that I often find myself on small single track roads. On those, I don't need 150bhp
Absolutely. It’s no better here, tbh. Mrs RM and I took the car yesterday and the traffic reminded me why I take the scooter for 99% of trips🤦♂️
Pity about cancelling the Scrambler but I get why it wouldn’t make much sense for you if you intend keeping the Transalp
Transalp is better on motorways and I need that
Bit puzzled why you talk in Euros? Not £. Marvellous bike, will recieve mine in March. Had a demo ride in York. Looking forwards to it!
I live in euroland but have viewers all round the world. I can’t be constantly converting to half a dozen currencies, so I just use euros😉
Interesting! If you didn’t have the ADV350 and were also looking at the scrambler..would you opt for the scrambler being a more traditional bike and fit a top box or go for the ADV350 by comparison? i’ve also currently got a monkey, but don’t think i can sell it , but looking at something for the winter with a bit more poke. be interested in your comparisons having ridden the speed 400. i just think being taller i’m going to find an adv350 a bit cramped.
A Scrambler with top box will offer almost the same practicality as the ADV, but you’d ruin the looks🤔 The ADV is a bit cramped for my 6’2 frame, but I got used to it. I still enjoy my ST 1200, despite its being ‘too small’ for me😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks for the quick reply, Much appreciated! Yeah, looks are only temporary for the sake of short term practicality when needed though. top box wouldn’t be a permanent fixture, just for touring etc. Have a charity ride coming up and been toying between these two, but don’t really want to get something just for a charity run (scooter) then sell it again, but the adv350 is the best looking! but i’d rather have something that’s going to be a longer term fixture and potential replacement for the monkey. I Had a G310GS before which i quite liked but just a touch more power would have been good, which i think is where the scrambler fits in nicely. Going to have a test ride next week. 👍🏻😎. keep up the great reviews.
Thanks. Tbh, for covering any sort of distance, the ADV isn't the best, at least for me. The 'toilet' seating position s nice at first, but after an hour or so, it gives me lower back pain. There's enough power, but I still think I'd prefer the Scrambler (which to be fair I haven't ridden yet - only the Speed) for the extra room. Just take the top box off as soon as you arrive, lol :)
Like you I have a large triumph speed master but not like you I would of got rid of all the small bikes and got the 400 I'm waiting to see if any problems and then going down to triumph and buying one👍
I think it’s a pretty safe bet👍
Hey Rocketman ,
Would you suggest I buy a scrambler 400x for myself. I'm 5'8 , I have ridden motorcycles enough but never owned one. So it's my first bike. My 80% use is for commuting , rest I would venture gently into the highway rides and offroading. I have test ridden both, although I found myself more-at-home in the speed, I think for my stature it looks small. Scrambler on the other hand, is a LOOKER! Better exhaust sound, better posture (hence comfort) but because of the larger front wheel , it's not as flickable as the speed.
I am 6'2 but still prefer the Speed. It's got better brakes and is overall nicer to ride. That said, I agree that the Scrambler looks fabulous and can do a little off-roading if you don't expect too much. Nice dilemma to have really :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Probably I'll listen to the advice you inadvertently gave during the video "Get your sensible hat on" , buy the Speed 400 and save some rupees in the process. It's still a decent looking machine, I feel scrambler appeals to that 16 yo boy in us who always wanted a modded up bike to earn some turning heads LOL . But hey, I'm turning 35 this year .. so .. Practicality over Vanity 🤣
Seems like a great little bike how’s the scrambler version?
(I like your vids but really no gloves? 😬 eek)
I normally wear gloves
@@RocketMan_Moto sorry - I used to be an emt and can’t help myself
You’re absolutely correct, I wasn’t setting a good example in this video, the first one, I think where I didn’t wear gloves. I had taken my thick winter gloves on the ride to Triumph Algarve, but wanted to be able to tweak my ne GoPro if necessary on the test ride, so elected to leave the gloves in the scooter😬
Nice! Would be nicer as a twin.
That cantilever sticking out the back, necitated by the "modern" trend for short seats and tail, is unfortunate.😢
I like twins, but the thump of this mono is quite intoxicating😊
Amazing bike for an amazing price, for me the only downsides are the tacometer, seems cheap, and the buttons also cheap. Chain is in the wrong side of the bike, chain lube will be dificult. The suspensiom i dont think are showa, but they look similar, its some indian brand. I love that triumhp side logo, not fan of the old ones
I was told the forks were Showa, but I have my doubts too
The size of the switch gear, especially on the throttle side , is enormous .
Can’t say I really noticed, tbh. Better too big than too small, I guess😊
I agree the large tank decal is disappointing I wonder whether you could buy one with the scrambler tank paint which is much better
I think the only way to do that would be to buy a Scrambler tank, or else have the Speed’s repainted as I did with my Speed Twin
@RocketMan_Moto yeah I ride a Tiger 800 so I could just manage but I’m getting shorter by the year 😂
Aren’t we all, Richard😔
so what are your thoughts for touring two up with some luggage between all speeds. I mean, 400, 900 and 1200. :)
As I said in response to your other comment: Tbh, none of the bikes you list is particularly suited to touring, at least with a passenger. The 900 & 1200 have enough power, but it would be a bit cramped😬
More people should probably think do they need another bike and will they actually use it I think. I have a bike for touring a bike for commuting and fun. A relaxed weekend retro and an old 2stroke race rep but im always looking at new bikes like this and wanting it as well but like you I'd hardly ever to ride it if i bought one. My commuter is a hornet which relaced a ktm390 duke so i feel im done with this size bike for now. Would be a great first or second bike though im sure.
The Hornet is a great all-round bike, too small for me physically though, unfortunately. Ride safe... and don't forget to wear gloves ;)
Hi looked at a royal enfield scram 411 inquired about service intervals first service 500 miles and a valve check then every 3000 miles and as a 411 it falls into higher road tax bracket here in the UK .Where as the triumph is every 10,000 and cheaper road tax and I think the depreciation will be less on the triumph . Talking to my local dealer and they said they had taken over 40 deposits for the 400 I think it's going to be a hit. Maybe you should buy one😁
Good points re. UK tax and servicing. I would definitely go for this 400 over a Scram 411😊👍
Ideal bike to beat the congested traffic. Just slightly less better than a supermoto 400, like a drz400sm, more comfy, better flat footing, for steet only. Great value, that gives consumers better choice at affordable prices, trendy quality feel.
Thanks for your input. Ride safe👍😊
At 71 years old, and with a brand new hip prosthesis, I am considering changing my Triumph Street Twin for a lighter machine, and with a less hard saddle. What do you think about the comfort of the 400?
Very acceptable. The seat is about the same as my Speed Twin's, so I imagine similar to your Street Twin, but the suspension on the 400 is a bit softer, so overall more comfortable.
Im thrilled with my BMW g310r ..quite the opposite being a bike noone seems to even consider. Their loss , the group tests will reveal all
If you enjoy your bike, that’s the main thing. Ride safe👍😊
I really like the G310RS. I just hope they make a 400-500cc version.
@@judge831 it's unlikely. The g310rr is really built for the world market not the UK market. Our A2 laws aren't the top of the agenda. I would expect some technical upgrades though. TVS make and sell the g310 as their own brand model in India and they have released a bike with Bosch six sensor lean and traction control technology. I would expect that to come across. However I like the current g310r as other than fly by wire throttle there's not much else to go wrong
I thought Melbourne Australia had the most speed humps. Perhaps the Algarve does? I have a 300cc scooter which I use for mostly everything and a Suzuki gsx-8s for when I feel like a ride. This Triumph, once I fit a top box, could do both I'm thinking. I don't motorcycle tour.
Haha, this particular town (Vilamoura) is terrible for speed humps. The rest of the Algarve is ok, though. The 400 is a cracking little bike :)
No. Mumbai probably has most speed bumps per kilometre in the world, most of them terribly designed enough to cause you back problems for years.
I 125cc motorcycle because i had no other option on 2 wheels. After i passed my test. I went straight to 650 cc
Many riders follow that route. Ride safe👍😊
Looks good, but I prefer the Scrambler. I'll stick with my KTM 390 Duke as my second bike in Chiang Rai. Even lighter than the Triumph you're testing. Nick
I prefer the looks of the Scrambler, too. Unfortunately, I have no real use for either. Ride safe :)
On 6th gear, can it hold 60 mph (100 kmph) comfortably ?
Yes, gearing is low so no problem, at least with rider only👍
Very desirable motorcycle, especially in Scrambler guise, unfortunately that is where it ends. In saying that I feel it was a fantastic effort by Triumph.
I'm with you on that. I was afraid that I would never actually use it... Ride safe :)
I ride big, heavy hundred horsepower, thirty year old Suzukis. I am 63 and thinking about an old age motorcycle. The Speed 400 has certainly caught my eye! I miss the light small motorcycles I started on, a MZ TS 250, Jawa 350, Moto Morini 3 ½, and Yamaha RD400. This Triumph 400 is better in every way in than each of those (the 2 stroke Yamaha could not adapt to unleaded gas
).
And a real real motorcycle banana seat!
Great bike
For practical reasons I never have more than one bike at a time, but if I had room for a second this would be a prime candidate.
I get that. Great second bike👍😊
Do you have a KTM dealer there? Wondering how the new Duke 390 compares for similar money.
I'm trying to get hold of the 390, but the one and only dealer here doesn't have a demon bike in at the moment
Nice! But, no centre stand 😞
I'm sure there'll be a ton of aftermarket stuff for these within a few months.
I test rode this Monday, I didn't like it, the front end felt vague and the front tyre and handlebar too light with no feel for the road.. I already have the hunter 350 which in comparison feels planted on the road... I did like the engine though, although it shoock like hell over 70 mph... I really like the style of the scrambler x but it's very tall and no way of lowering it. So I'm sticking with my current (second) bike.. it's a no from me 😊
Thanks for your input. I have yet to ride the Hunter (RE dealer in the Algarve is hopeless...)
It's a decent bike for the money, just not much speed for the overtaking.. 😆
This is the problem I had with my Grom and Monkey: super cute but ultimately hopeless for shifting my 90kg🥲
I have big bikes... And a 125 scooter that I love and with her I have a lot of fun, more happy when I put gaz 😂
They all have their place :)
probably the best bang for buck motorcycle for 2024
Agreed
MT-03 is way more reliable and faster. Same price minus all the factory locks for break in and service.
@@tg8150 True, if you can fit on it, I can't it's too cramped .