Does This Atheist Think Christians are Lying?

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  • Are christians lying? This atheist takes a look and offers an opinion. Did you ask for it? nope... but you're still going to get it. this christian tries to defend why christians AREN'T lying about this particular religion... and I explain why I don't accept what they're saying.
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  • @denverarnold6210
    @denverarnold6210 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Yes, people can ABSOLUTELY die for a lie if they are convinced it's true.

    • @unfairlive2
      @unfairlive2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      People can also die for a lie they are convinced is a lie. It is easier to die for something you are convinced is true, but the inverse isn't impossible. all you have to believe is that you dying for the (known) lie is still in the greater good to such a degree that dying for it is still okay.
      And naturally there's a lot of side possibilities there as well, like dying unwillingly for a known lie. (All witches in history at the hand of inquisition).
      Not too mention the huge spectrum inbetween.

    • @guytheincognito4186
      @guytheincognito4186 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@unfairlive2
      Exactly.
      Though I formulate it as this;
      The basis of the argument is flawed. A person will die for what they know is a lie if it's in service to, what they believe is a greater truth.

    • @unfairlive2
      @unfairlive2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guytheincognito4186 An excellent formulation, and I think it is more correct than mine, as it explicitly states the implied.

    • @guytheincognito4186
      @guytheincognito4186 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@unfairlive2
      Thank you 😊✌

    • @engineeredlifeform
      @engineeredlifeform ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The case that came to my mind was suicide bombers. So convinced they are right.

  • @CaptFoster5
    @CaptFoster5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    So glad my granddaughter will become a third generation spared a religious dogmatic conversion story

    • @mrandrat625
      @mrandrat625 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I can't thank my parents enough for growing up irreligious.

    • @robertl4824
      @robertl4824 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Moor-hen!

    • @Jfen79
      @Jfen79 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My family never prays or attends church but I was forced to go to Bible school when I was a kid and even made my 1st communion and I didn't believe a word of it back then now I'm 44 and see my family isn't religious at all and I don't know why I was forced to learn that nonsense ( although I did love all the money I got during my Communion )

    • @CaptFoster5
      @CaptFoster5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Jfen79 the closest I got to religion was when my mom sent me to Sunday school when I was six. She told me she only did it because they had a whole daycare type setup at the church. It only lasted a couple weeks as she pulled me out after I came home quoting the Bible. And that was that. Although my mom was never indoctrinated, and come to think on it, my grandparents weren't Bible thumpers either ... so actually, my granddaughter would be a fifth generation spared a religious dogmatic conversion story.

    • @Jfen79
      @Jfen79 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@CaptFoster5 my cousin who is more like my brother ( our moms are identical twins ) married a girl who's family are bible thumpers and my God son is having religion shoved down his throat he's 9 and very smart I wanna ask him if he really think there's a "God" or if he only believes because people tell him there is but I get it's not my place to do that although I wish my cousin would he's an atheist too

  • @timothyhelgren6895
    @timothyhelgren6895 ปีที่แล้ว +325

    I’m favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks I now have a big mansion and happy family!

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      @timothyhelgren6895 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @lutherphillip1649
      @lutherphillip1649 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow Hey!!! What a huge coincidence?

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      @kohlerberger3992 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @carolynschmidt127
      @carolynschmidt127 ปีที่แล้ว

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      @timothyhelgren6895 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @wilhelmschmidt7240
    @wilhelmschmidt7240 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    I definitely would not want to lean on a rationalization that supports religious terrorism and extremists as well as suicide cults across the globe. It's a self defeating argument on top of not being at all true...

  • @theravenlord3004
    @theravenlord3004 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Even the top tier apologists make evidently bad arguments, taken by bottom of the barrel apologists and turned into stupid arguments. And yet they find an audience that believes the drivel, and it is the state of mind of these people that worries me.

  • @justincredible.
    @justincredible. ปีที่แล้ว +7

    religion; Throwing darts at the wall and then painting the bulls eye around it later.

  • @grahvis
    @grahvis ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Why do I have the impression I have heard all his arguments before? Because they have been spouted more times than I've had hot dinners, perhaps.

    • @johnscaramis2515
      @johnscaramis2515 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's also a common theme amongst flearthers. They have "brandnew" arguments, but in the end it's the same old shit mixed in a new fashion. If mixed at all, sometimes it's the same dump as heard before.

  • @georgem2334
    @georgem2334 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    16:00 Nothing fails like prayer

  • @Kevin_Williamson
    @Kevin_Williamson ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Some flaws in this guy's arguments.
    1) He starts by assuming the Bible, as written, is true without showing it is true.
    2) He assumes we actually have any true accounts of what happened to any followers of Jesus after he died. The Acts of the Apostles was written well after the fact by whoever wrote Luke. And that guy admitted all he did was collect stories from other guys and made a single story out of it all. But we don't really know what happened to everyone. We certainly have no way to say for a fact that any of them died for their belief in Jesus...whatever that belief even was.
    3) He seems to forget that his points can equally validate the Qur'an (written way closer to the life of Muhammad and his original followers than the Bible to the life of Jesus and his original disciples) and the truth of Islam because of the martyrs who have died for their faith (who lives and dies for a lie....right?).
    4) Lives have been transformed by Islam and other religions across time.

    • @aubreyleonae4108
      @aubreyleonae4108 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lives are transformed by puberty every damn day. Weakest argument imaginable. Good job.

    • @alangarland8571
      @alangarland8571 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Lisa the rainbow giraffe is the real the mushrooms told me, Moorhen.

    • @Zero-ei8jn
      @Zero-ei8jn ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If dying for belief was a valid argument then just about anything can be considered true and accurate. I think it would confirm all the world's religions.

    • @raya.p.l5919
      @raya.p.l5919 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @EdwardHowton
      @EdwardHowton ปีที่แล้ว

      He assumes that because the bible was -perfectly preserved- excuse me, "90% stable", which it isn't and wasn't, then it must be true, which is false and also nonsense. But what else should we expect from a guy who looks and sounds like he thinks huffing his armpit stench will protect him from 5G infections...

  • @fred_derf
    @fred_derf ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Not this again...
    Yes! Folks will die for a lie! They will die for a lie _when_ they think that lie supports a greater "truth."

  • @mjjoe76
    @mjjoe76 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    14:40 “We should be seekers of truth.”
    _Christian researches and realizes the religion can’t be true._
    “No! Not like that!!”

    • @blue123439
      @blue123439 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hilarious!

    • @MrGrumblier
      @MrGrumblier ปีที่แล้ว

      Remember, it is Truth (™️), not the truth that they seek. Just like they spread the News (™️) about 2000 year old events like they just happened.

  • @djbare9
    @djbare9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I want to see that guy on a phone chat with Matt Dillahunty, I can already predict it won't go well for him.

  • @thetalkingbear
    @thetalkingbear ปีที่แล้ว +13

    People die for lies all the time. How else would they set aside their natural sense of self preservation. They were convinced that their sacrifice would help the group survive.

  • @mitchellminer9597
    @mitchellminer9597 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As always, that guy is arguing *for* faith. He has faith that his arguments make sense.

  • @triadmad
    @triadmad ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The only thing he managed to convince me about, was the meme that appeared around the 19:05 moment. It showed a cat, with the label "God" on its forehead. Okay. He didn't convince me that cats are our gods. I knew that long before the internet and memes were invented.

    • @robertl4824
      @robertl4824 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      but maybe it should be labelled "Atheist" because cats are smart and rarely trust anyone or anything

  • @phoenixkingtheo
    @phoenixkingtheo ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I love the "die for a lie" apologetic. If we'd accept this terrible logic that no one would die for a lie/something they don't believe in as evidence for the claim, then you'd have to accept all instances of people throughout the world in different religions who died for heir beliefs. How many Muslims died during the crusades at the hands of Christians for their belief? So Islam is true then?

    • @capthavic
      @capthavic ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And that's when the special pleading double standards come out.
      Theist: "I know you've pointed out all the ways *insert religion here* can be justified the exact same way...but my religion is different cuz it's mine!"

    • @LadyDoomsinger
      @LadyDoomsinger ปีที่แล้ว

      Not to mention people who believed their lies served a greater good - and were willing to die for a lie, so that other people could benefit from it. For example spies and freedom fighters.
      All you need to die for a lie, is the conviction that the cause is worth it. In the case of Jesus' disciples, of the top of my head, they could've resented to Roman Empire, and spread Christianity in an attempt to undermine the authority of it and encourage other people to do the same - knowing that it was untrue, but willing to sacrifice their lives for it, if it potentially meant the freedom of the Jewish people. Just one possibility of many explaining why they might die for a lie.

    • @gergelymagyarosi9285
      @gergelymagyarosi9285 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Give'em the Sean McDowell answer: in Christianity, we only have good evidence for about 3 people being martyred for their faith. And even in those cases, we don't know if they had the chance to repent, or they would have been executed anyway.

    • @RustyWalker
      @RustyWalker ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gergelymagyarosi9285 The Church itself used to execute anyway, but at least the victim died happy in the knowledge they'd had their soul saved.
      Oh, sh ..

    • @pleasetellmehowamialive4858
      @pleasetellmehowamialive4858 ปีที่แล้ว

      Iraq had womd's and everyone who died did for the truth /s

  • @ke6nber
    @ke6nber ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the way you say my name so, here is a few more dollars just so that you'll say my name again in the near future!
    Also, thanks for what you do.

  • @oldbatwit5102
    @oldbatwit5102 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You said something right near the end that, for me, sums it all up....
    "I just feel lied to".

  • @AnnoyingNewsletters
    @AnnoyingNewsletters ปีที่แล้ว +2

    10:00 _it would make no sense,_ like the green stop 🛑 sign pictured in the video.
    I've seen those in the wild. I was driving Uber in the Cleveland area, and in a gated community they had green stop signs.
    You ever been so tired that you were waiting for a stop sign to turn green? Here they are! 😂

  • @bradypustridactylus488
    @bradypustridactylus488 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I see how prayer works. I have a rabbit's foot key fob. Whenever I feel anxious, uncertain, or want something real bad, I clutch it in my hand and concentrate. Then the problem is solved. It seems to be the same thing as idolatry without a physical idol.

    • @dansmith7009
      @dansmith7009 ปีที่แล้ว

      The term you are looking for is “confirmation bias,” also humorously called the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
      You only pay attention to the hits and ignore how many misses it took to get there. The one front pocket Bible that stopped a bullet vs the 10M soldiers who had a Bible in their front pocket but were shot in the head.

    • @gordonlynn8300
      @gordonlynn8300 ปีที่แล้ว

      at least your rabbit's foot key fob is real.

  • @sophistichistory4645
    @sophistichistory4645 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:20 ......"Beast Jesus" has to be the most hilarious faux pas of Christian iconography ever.

  • @uncleanunicorn4571
    @uncleanunicorn4571 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So basically, Hogwarts must be real, or else Harry Potter could not have driven his cart through the wall to find Platform 9 and three-quarters. Got it.

  • @urielpolak9949
    @urielpolak9949 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Poor jarjar sticky tongue. So hated.

  • @BlackburnBigdragon
    @BlackburnBigdragon ปีที่แล้ว +28

    My god. He's completely forgetting so many things because he's so blinded by his presuppositions, and inability to see any other viewpoints, that he can't even fathom the HUGE, gaping, flaws in the things he's saying. Heck, just his claim that, "People wouldn't give up their lives for this unless they thought it was true, therefore these things are true." is so flawed that it's amazing that he can't see how flawed it is. How many religious cults have committed suicide or gotten themselves killed in their persuits of their beliefs? And a huge number of these weren't Christian. That doesn't make ANY of their religions are true.

    • @PaTrick-cf6ev
      @PaTrick-cf6ev ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Unfortunately, you're 100% right...

  • @AnnoyingNewsletters
    @AnnoyingNewsletters ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_TEN YEARS_* ⁉️
    I wouldn't want to spend 10 minutes in this guy's presence, but to each their own.

  • @DavidRichardson153
    @DavidRichardson153 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "People wouldn't die for a lie."
    Well, I've got two words that prove him wrong:
    Heaven's Gate.
    And that's just for faith and religion. Should I or anyone else remind him of what happened in a certain city less than a week into January two years ago?

    • @MrCanis4
      @MrCanis4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      like those people who flew planes into buildings.

    • @DavidRichardson153
      @DavidRichardson153 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrCanis4 I wanted to use examples of people who called themselves Jesus or at least a prophet. This is not to dismiss examples from other religions, just that the bulk of these apologists are always for Christianity, so such examples are more appropriate.
      On that note, maybe I should have used David Koresh instead of Heaven's Gate. After all, he declared that he was Jesus, which is particularly strange, given that he wore glasses. Now, I don't know about you, but according to the "good book," Jesus heals the blind on multiple occasions with no trouble at all and rather clearly NOT need faith in him as a prerequisite... so why was he not able to handle astigmatism on this one?

    • @MrCanis4
      @MrCanis4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidRichardson153 for me, i'm not even convinced that this jesus fella ever existed. And if he did exist, still zero for the evidence of a god.

    • @johnscaramis2515
      @johnscaramis2515 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrCanis4 Considering that Jesus seesm to have been a common name at that time at that many Jewish sects were founded, I see at least a good chance that a man named Jesus was the leader of a Jewish sect. And it's not unlikely that, if the sect made problems, the sect leader would be crucified.
      That's not completely unlikely, although the evidence for that is already not good.
      What the believers forget however: the mere existence (if proveable and proven) of such a man does not proof anything other than that such a man existed.

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidRichardson153 He didn't heal the wounds received in the cross. Because he was a god puppeteering a flesh suit, he probably didn't even feel pain.

  • @gatorboymike
    @gatorboymike ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Christian: "Everyone has direct access to God! You don't have to be holy! I 100% guarantee that if you talk to God, then God will talk back!"
    Atheist: "I tried talking to God, and God didn't talk back."
    Christian: "Whoa-ho-ho, slow down there, speedy. I didn't promise you anything. You're just not holy enough to hear back from God."

    • @Music-vr7sz
      @Music-vr7sz ปีที่แล้ว

      You didn't use enough holy postage.

    • @ashwayn
      @ashwayn ปีที่แล้ว

      Access to god who? You cannot pray to god god god is not a name
      god just signifies a deity after god comes its name/names

  • @victorhiggins2118
    @victorhiggins2118 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    By his argument Jim Jones must be the messiah

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also Marshall Herff Applewhite or indeed Hitler or Stalin

    • @victorhiggins2118
      @victorhiggins2118 ปีที่แล้ว

      @gowdsake7103 yeah that list is long.
      Kim Jong Un, David Koresh.
      We could go all day.

  • @DAYBROK3
    @DAYBROK3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    people die for lies every day, the biggest lie that gets the most of them is "i love you so no i wouldnt hurt you - anymore"

  • @apocalypsator6
    @apocalypsator6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the most terrifying things about humans is the power of belief.

  • @rebeccazegstroo6786
    @rebeccazegstroo6786 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2000 years of waiting for the End Times. It is getting seriously ridiculous.

  • @wegder
    @wegder ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember like decades ago when Christians would talk about love your neighbor, the Good Samaritan, pray for the sinner and I always wondered why they were lying because I knew that wasn't in their hearts.

  • @TheLithp
    @TheLithp ปีที่แล้ว +16

    But there are currently multiple different translations of the Bible that are so different many Christians insist only theirs is true.
    Okay, sure, I agree that Christians not being that different doesn't help convince me that their religion is true. Dude just keeps making convincing arguments against his religion & not rebutting them.

    • @condorboss3339
      @condorboss3339 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The 'King James Version only' crowd are particularly scary - especially the New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist group. They would like to establish a theocracy.

    • @rainbowkrampus
      @rainbowkrampus ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hell, the NT contradicts itself on some pretty major stuff if you get out of translations.
      Matthew is the first time Jesus is born of a virgin. Mark has a word that is closer to "young girl". And they get that idea from Paul, who uses "born of a woman" as a part of a larger allegorical structure starting in Galatians 3.
      So we go from allegory to young girl to virgin. Even if there was only one translation that everybody used, it would still not be true, by its own account.

  • @Soapy-chan_old
    @Soapy-chan_old ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Every single apologists lies, so yeah, they are willing to die for a lie.

  • @SwartFrancois
    @SwartFrancois ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So THAT's why it's "leaf be upon you".

  • @Captain-Cosmo
    @Captain-Cosmo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even George Castanza understood: "It's not a lie... if you believe it."

  • @casper130rocks
    @casper130rocks 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My life radically changes every few years that's what life is I don't understand how people think it's only their god that can change a life

  • @MasamiPhoenix
    @MasamiPhoenix ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love when they act like church leaders have nothing personal to gain. Cracks me up everytime.

  • @FreeStyle888.
    @FreeStyle888. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    New trilogy of Star Wars was already bantha fodder

  • @Ten80pete
    @Ten80pete ปีที่แล้ว

    The MysTick! You've fulfilled your true purpose! So proud of you! ❤😂

  • @joematte4269
    @joematte4269 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The longer Im away from religious belief the more I can see just how ridiculous it all is. Im maybe year 3 from my full deconversion and I look back puzzled, I hear these guys talk and see myself like how did I use to agree with this logic or have these trains of thought.... Its just all so preposterous! I wish more people could see religion for what it is.

  • @unicornep1818
    @unicornep1818 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hope you had a nice holiday, lovely to have you back. Pip pip

  • @somersetcace1
    @somersetcace1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:00 If I pile crap high enough, it'll turn into gold! 🙄

  • @gatorboymike
    @gatorboymike ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Popular" is not the opposite of "false".

  • @Beacon80
    @Beacon80 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I prayed for faith once. And not in some kind of atheist "gotcha" or anything like that. I was surrounded by people who at least appeared to have this strong faith, and I prayed to have that, too. No answer, which tells me that, if there is a God who answers prayers, they either don't care if I believe in them, or actively don't want me to believe in them.

  • @Left-handed-liberal
    @Left-handed-liberal ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im blown away you live here in KY. awesome.

  • @freezoneproject567
    @freezoneproject567 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We don't think they lie... they lie, frequently and with great confidence.

  • @Annie_Annie__
    @Annie_Annie__ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The “they wouldn’t die for a lie” line always makes me think ‘then I guess we should all be following Heaven’s Gate and be wearing white sneakers, white sweatsuits, and get bowl cuts.
    Or maybe we should follow David Koresh as the messiah.
    Or Jim Jones.
    Or the religion of any of the innumerable individual people that have committed suicide or murder (or both) for their faith.
    Apologists always say this line as if the disciples (or the early saints, in the case of Catholic apologists) were the only people in the history of the world that are recorded to have died for their religion.
    Or at least, that only Christians have ever died for their faith.
    It’s absurd.

  • @2ahdcat
    @2ahdcat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Christianity's true, I have a two foot shlong. (and I also believe leprechauns live in my sock drawer) LOL 🤣

  • @Krutchly
    @Krutchly ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 18:46 - "God cares for us deeply." I'm guessing the countless tens of thousands of people who die horrible deaths every year might have something to say about that.

  • @toolghost8932
    @toolghost8932 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Tik! I just learned, after watching many of your videos, that you reside somewhere in Kentucky. I feel for you. I'm in southeast Tennessee, near the latch of the buybull belt. Love the content!!

  • @RooMan93
    @RooMan93 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    [people wouldn't die for a lie] - name any war ever

  • @jeb6314
    @jeb6314 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A few points: 1 -my dad used to say that -if a group of jurors who had never heard of the Bible were to be presented with evidence pro and con, the Bible would be laughed out of court. 2 -Bobby Ingersoll -The Great Agnostic -said that a martyr willing to die for a cause indicates the martyr's belief, not the veracity of the belief. 3 -this fellow quotes Jeremiah. He forgot Jeremiah 20:7, "Oh, God, thou didst deceive me, and I was deceived.....". 4 -this fellow talks about "pleasant" Christians (ha-ha).The Mormons are some of the most pleasant religionists on earth. That doesn't make their belief correct. 5 -the di$iple$ were more interre$ted in making a living be$ide$ the profe$$ion$ they earlier per$ued. They had a financial interest in propagating the Jesus myth. And 6 -I love the dancer at 13:48. Incidentally, my first name is Jesse = Joshua = Jesus. I think it is rather bizarre for an atheist to have the name of Jesus.Thanks for another good video, Skep!

  • @razpootis5802
    @razpootis5802 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:41 You spoke the exact words I was thinking so my lazy American self wouldn't have to. Cheers!

    • @TheSkepTick
      @TheSkepTick  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s what I’m here for

  • @justincredible.
    @justincredible. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Praying; Magical thinking (psychology), the belief that one’s ideas, thoughts, actions, words, or use of symbols can influence the course of events in the material world. Magical thinking presumes a causal link between one’s inner, personal experience and the external physical world.

  • @DarkAlkaiser
    @DarkAlkaiser ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lol I love that he points out why people used to believe more. The Catholic Church saw the issues in the Bible, they made it so only those in charge could read, only those in charge could reach god, as soon as that control ended, opposing the idea has become more and more of an issue for them over time.

  • @Azrdraco
    @Azrdraco ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:20 except for how Christianity spent a lot of time destroying everything that conflicted with their preferred version.

  • @andrewlindenfeld6222
    @andrewlindenfeld6222 ปีที่แล้ว

    The length of this video is also my favorite song of all time (:

  • @QuintarFarenor
    @QuintarFarenor ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:17 He said, lying.

  • @Gunstonization
    @Gunstonization ปีที่แล้ว

    So much "because *other people* said so", on top of "because bible". Conformity pressure. Desire to be in the club. Rgh,

  • @SIQN-
    @SIQN- ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome to Kentucky! I’m a fellow transplant. Not from across the pond, but a transplant none the less.
    You sure did choose the “buckle” of the “Bible Belt” to move to. Ha!

    • @TheSkepTick
      @TheSkepTick  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right?! I like to mix the pot though

  • @denverarnold6210
    @denverarnold6210 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:25 you know what, i WILL eat a banana every week. And stare into your... circle, the whole time.

  • @hayzeuscrust4517
    @hayzeuscrust4517 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Claiming to know something you don't actually know, no matter how much you believe it, is lying.

    • @johnscaramis2515
      @johnscaramis2515 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not completely how I see it. A liar is someone who knows how the truth looks like, but decides to not speak the truth.
      A believer however could be convinced that he knows. I would not call such a person a liar, he or she simply does not know better.

    • @hayzeuscrust4517
      @hayzeuscrust4517 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnscaramis2515 Then they should learn better. Ignorance is not an excuse.

  • @nickydaviesnsdpharms3084
    @nickydaviesnsdpharms3084 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    reminds me of the terminator.
    sent it's self to come and die from the future lol

  • @BigTuk
    @BigTuk ปีที่แล้ว +4

    THe thing people forget about Paul is that the only thing we know about Paul... comes from Paul.
    So basically everyuthing he says about himself should be taken with extreme quantities of salt,

    • @mjjoe76
      @mjjoe76 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve heard that anything in the Bible should be taken with a grain of Lot’s wife. 😆

    • @dansmith7009
      @dansmith7009 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, he does say that all the information he writes about comes from either scripture or his holy visions of god…

  • @LisaTheRainbowGiraffe
    @LisaTheRainbowGiraffe ปีที่แล้ว

    I in fact was not smoking marijuana on that mountain. I was smoking Tobacco. It also wasn't a mountain but was actually my deity-to-Spaghetti Machine while on the ground.

  • @christobotha7848
    @christobotha7848 ปีที่แล้ว

    I forgot to eat a banana last week! What will happen now? Oh Lisa (PBAH) please forgive this mortal and bestow your leave apon me.

  • @Marniwheeler
    @Marniwheeler ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video

  • @keithlevkoff8579
    @keithlevkoff8579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I keep seeing a huge disconnect here...
    The supposed situation is always described as: "the disciples and a bunch of other people were willing to die FOR their belief".
    HOWEVER I do not believe that adequately describes how true believers would have felt...
    True believers would have actually believed what their religion preached...
    And their religion preached that, when they died, they would go to live forever in a wonderful place...
    In other words the situation was NOT: "they were willing to suffer and die because they thought what they believed was important".
    It was really: "they had been convinced that, when they died, they'd be resurrected in heaven to live there forever".
    So, rather than being afraid to die, but WILLING to suffer it for their cause, THEY WEREN'T AFRAID TO DIE.
    (Kind of like how modern suicide bombers are willing to die "so they can go straight to heaven and get their 19 virgins"... or whatever.)
    To use a modern analogy... compare...
    - A man who is willing to stand in front of a firing squad, rather than recant his beliefs, because he considers them THAT IMPORTANT.
    - A man who is willing to stand in front of a firing squad, rather than recant his beliefs, WHO THINKS HE'S SAFE BECAUSE HE'S WEARING A BULLETPROOF VEST.
    (Anyone who really believes the God story believes that the entire world, including death, is "stacked in his or her favor".)

  • @Auren_Stark
    @Auren_Stark ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mesa also do notsa tink yousa should mess wit movies at all! 😜

  • @thesheeteels8252
    @thesheeteels8252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A life full of pedigree!? I don’t think he knows what that word means. Did he keen a life of prestige?

    • @thesheeteels8252
      @thesheeteels8252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Axiom means self-evident truths. There’s no self evident truths in the bible. That’s why there’s a bible and years of commentary. It’s not self evident at all. That man has a decent vocabulary he uses sloppily.

  • @righty-o3585
    @righty-o3585 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn't that clip from the movie Witness? A movie pertaining to a certain religion? 😜

  • @johngleeman8347
    @johngleeman8347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want that angry Jesus picture. XD

  • @silverdragon4344
    @silverdragon4344 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yup... same shit. "But... but... but the bible says..."

  • @rodneytgap5340
    @rodneytgap5340 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's interesting that people think asking a god (an all-knowing, all-powerful being prone to wrath) for a favor in the form of prayer is going to work but asking a boss for a raise is this untouchable hurdle. "I can't piss him off, he might fire me" vs "he won't light me on fire, I'm only asking".

  • @tigger62
    @tigger62 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!

  • @heiyuall
    @heiyuall ปีที่แล้ว

    Never run into this apologist in a dark alley. He’ll probably be carrying some fava beans and chiante.

  • @phillipanderson7899
    @phillipanderson7899 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Decent movies" Disney Star Wars... imma be real, that ain't good

  • @N0Bah_D
    @N0Bah_D ปีที่แล้ว

    The Ms. Tick? Horray for you!

  • @skepticusmaximus184
    @skepticusmaximus184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like how he dabbles in why atheists find prayer problematic, but he forgets to mention at least three of those:
    *Telepathy:* As a skeptic I uphold that no thoughts can be transferred from one mind to another without a method of communication. It's not a position exclusive to Christianity. I don't believe in telepathy in *any* circumstance. Christians for the most part, don't believe in telepathy in any *other.* circumstance.
    *Contradiction of gods divine plan:*
    Do Christians ever stop to consider what God would've done had they not petitioned him in prayer? I'd have thought an all powerful, all knowing and all loving being probably knows what he's doing and that asking him for some change of plans is a little presumptuous. If God would have done whatever was best anyway, then petitionary prayer is futile. If he does take council and change plans on behalf of humans, then the tri-omni (omnipotentce, omniscience, omni-benevolence) are very moot. Why wasn't God planning to do whatever is for the best in the first place?
    *Prayer doesn't work:*
    We know from experiments that intercessory prayer fails. The Templeton foundation tested groups of patients one that wasn't being prayed for, one that was but didn't know it, and one that was being prayed for and did know it. The first two groups results were the same. The last group did a little worse, perhaps due to the anxiety. This experiment was funded and performed by a religious Christian organisation by devout believers, who expected positive results, so the ol' 'magic don't work in sceptical environments' excuse doesn't hold.
    So prayer is absurd because it can't work. Telepathy doesn't exist. It shouldn't work because god wouldn't do anything differently just because we ask and it DOESN'T WORK because that's what the data shows us.

  • @darwinskeeper421
    @darwinskeeper421 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Given the fact that the earliest of the four gospels were written decades after Jesus death, by someone who was working on stories about Jesus "preserved" in the oral tradition, I see very little reason to expect that the gospels, as originally written, reflect the truth about what Jesus actually said, let alone what he did, particularly when it involves the miraculous.

  • @gearsmoke
    @gearsmoke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    'the SkepTick just became the MissTick'
    Congrats on your transition ;)

    • @TheSkepTick
      @TheSkepTick  ปีที่แล้ว

      MysTick. But I’ll accept either.

    • @gearsmoke
      @gearsmoke ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSkepTick I'm fully aware ;D

  • @krakowolkusz7941
    @krakowolkusz7941 ปีที่แล้ว

    "if you just close your eyes and block your ears, to the accumulated knowledge of the last 2000 years, than moraly guess what, youre of the hook. and thank christ you only have to read one book" Tim Minchin.

  • @Jordanmode
    @Jordanmode ปีที่แล้ว

    To the notion that disciples should be trusted because they believed so wholeheartedly that they were willing to die, I give you the Heaven’s Gate cult, many of whose male adherents castrated themselves out of their devotion, and then, later on went ahead and willingly died for their belief.
    So many arguments from apologists can be used to support known cults.

  • @skepticsinister
    @skepticsinister ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Christian naïveté affirms and reaffirms justification for atheism, rock solid affirmation! Excellent work SkepTick!!!

  • @Lord7979
    @Lord7979 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will not stand by Jar Jar slander. He's a gungan war hero for his fantastic work against the droid armies.

    • @bodricthered
      @bodricthered ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what Darth Jar WANTS you to believe...

  • @OLApplin
    @OLApplin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Christian justification seems cursed from the start. If you justify your belief with evidence, reason, logic, etc, then you don't need faith, a fundamental principle in Christian religions. But then if you appeal to faith, any faith is equally viable and there is no reason why your faith is more justifiable then another. And if you try to use evidence, reason, logic to justify it, then we are back at the start where faith is useless.

    • @johnscaramis2515
      @johnscaramis2515 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This not only true for Christianity, this is valid for all faith based religions.

    • @OLApplin
      @OLApplin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnscaramis2515 true, indeed

  • @ElroyMF1
    @ElroyMF1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, as we know in this internet age, no-one is willing to lie to get more followers.

  • @Templetonq
    @Templetonq ปีที่แล้ว

    If people think that faith is a reliable path to truth, then they can believe something is true when their good sense tells them it isn't. That's how they can die for a "lie".

  • @RustyWalker
    @RustyWalker ปีที่แล้ว

    The "manuscript stability" argument ignores the weighting of when the overwhelming majority of those manuscripts are from, the 9th to 14th centuries, which were copied professionally in scriptoria. These massively skew any reliability percentage arrived at by the sheer volume there are. The earliest are only fragments. Worse still, we have a grand total of zero originals, so we don't know whether the textus receptus is accurate or not, or how accurate. It is overwhelmingly likely that nothing was written down at all for decades, and oral legends aren't worth the paper they're written on. Even with what we do have, there are highly significant variations, like the two alternative endings of Mark, and the adultery story in John, to name a couple.
    With the "people wouldn't be willing to die for a lie," the question is immediately raise, "what makes you think they had a choice?" The Christian seems to think these early Christians had some agency in their fate, when it is not at all certain that they would have. There is a little support for the idea in Pliny the Younger's letters, where he asks Trajan what to do with Christians, but this does not seem to have lasted, nor been universal. Nero has a reputation of a being a vicious persecutor of early Christians, and it doesn't seem likely any Christians he laid his hands on would have had any agency in their own fate.
    Paul wouldn't even have thought he was changing supernatural. He expected a Messiah because of Hebrew Scripture.
    "Either the disciples saw something, or they lived a lie," {however he said it}, "Now both options are possible."
    Not necessarily. He's going to spell out *EXACTLY* what the disciples saw, and *WHY* we should think that it *IS* possible that it could have happened in the way they thought they saw it. I do not know of any legitimate justification to say that it is possible for someone to have been actually, properly dead for 72 hours, (not an auto-resuscitation or a coma or anything like that - properly dead), and that they then came back to life.

  • @bodricthered
    @bodricthered ปีที่แล้ว

    The willed ignorance is palpable, they all know they live in a world with a plurality of beliefs and the only way to maintain this argument style is to choose to continue to believe in their message that has been repeatedly discredited.... In other words THEY'RE LYING.... The irony would be hilarious if they were hurting fewer people .

  • @Persholm1
    @Persholm1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Wouldn’t die for a lie” applies to every God (especially the Abrahamic gods); since they’re so homicidal

  • @Eric_Hunt194
    @Eric_Hunt194 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought I had a weird feeling in my bloodpump once... turned out it was actually in my fartpump, and I just needed to float an air biscuit. Praise Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe for giving us the ability to vent digestive gases in a way that brings such joy! Moor Hen!

  • @DarkAlkaiser
    @DarkAlkaiser ปีที่แล้ว

    Only 20 years... and entire generation XD

  • @EyeInTheSky982
    @EyeInTheSky982 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd be interested to compare the very first Bible written to a more modern version of the Bible. 🤔🤔
    I'd be willing to bet the differences between the two texts would be the equivalent to a 2000 year game of Telephone. 🤔🤔

  • @ileezamotherofrain4537
    @ileezamotherofrain4537 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are fun and I like atheist YTers like you . Peace be upon Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe.

  • @foppishdilletaunt9911
    @foppishdilletaunt9911 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tradition ?
    Antiquity does not confer veracity.
    Intercessory prayer when dealing with a tri-omni god is one of the most problematic issues for such a religion.

  • @2l84me8
    @2l84me8 ปีที่แล้ว

    It doesn't matter how a religion makes you feel or how many followers it has. The truth is demonstrated with consistency and facts, not popular opinion and feelings.
    Faith is not a virtue and literally anything can be taken on faith.

  • @terminusest5902
    @terminusest5902 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes.

  • @advorak8529
    @advorak8529 ปีที่แล้ว

    Praying to God … Reformation … *wait,* that is against *tradition.* He kicks one of his own reasons to believe out of the way and condemns it to die because he likes the other variant better.
    Consistency, only when convenient!