Thanks for doing what you do. People who speak simply and straight to point in reviews these days are few and far between , you’ve helped me make my buying decision easy.
I realized something, the more and more good technology comes out, the more and more unoptimized games are coming out. 8 GB vram not being enough? They are being extremely sloppy with their games. You go back to the PS2 era and before, they had to do genius things to save space and resources. Now they just don't give a crap.
@@jbfromcanada9738 No, they do this to save time and money optimizing the game. When the game is able to brute force and get at least 60 fps why waste the time optimizing it? The problem is they usually start with the donated high end cards that NVidia or AMD gives. Then they slowly remove the stuff out the game to make the older and weaker gpus at least hit 60.
Got the Legion5 based on the reviews here and am quite happy with it. I'd skipped 2 generations since the 900 series, so it felt nice to have a more contemporary machine in a long while. I'd have gotten the Legion7 if it were available but sadly, that was not to be. Still, very happy with my purchase and this machine should tide me over for the next 2-3 years at least especially since I have no interest to play games above 1080p.
3060 has a lower VRAM which is 4geg, it is not enough for today's games, I am very sure that games like cyberpunk, god of war, Gotham knights, and a lot of other games will demand more VRAM.
Thanks for including content creation benchmarks. I work with Maya and unreal and now unreal 5 and rendering mostly using the GPU. It's always good to see those comparisons on that level I wish there were more.
Yeah, I totally agree that 3070 mobile is more future proof. And if you want to use RT you need all of it's power to reach comfortable fps with nice graphics (with DLSS).
I think the fact it carries 8GB of VRAM is enough to justify spending more now and saving later on since 6GB VRAM wouldn't be enough in more future games. Unless of course, people change their laptops yearly. LMAO
@@randomesteven3935 Yes, I for one like to try use my tech products even longer than 2 years. If you buy good products often up to 4 years comfortable usage is possible. Of course much more for some products - my TV is 7 years old, stereo amplifier 20 years and speakers 30 years (Ensemble PA-1).
@@yan4013 Yeah, but isn't 1650 Ti mobile too weak for competitive gaming? I read that it gives for example CoD: Modern Warfare 1080p / Med ~70 fps 1080p / High ~60 fps 1440p / High
There is hardly any topic that I cannot find on your channel. You cover possibly everything there is about laptops and more. Keep up the good work mate!
I haven't seen the video yet, but i HAVE to tell you my experience. I had a gaming PC, all custom loop and liquid cooled, with ryzen 9 3900X and RTX 2080 Ti, a Little Beast, i really enjoyed playing on that machine. For my brother's marriage I had to sell that PC as i needed Money, but i bought a Lenovo legion 5 with rtx 3060 and ryzen 5 5600h as i saw Jarrod talking so happily about that and Oh my... Greatest gaming experience of my Life all around, of course that's not the same Power but on that screen or on my Huawei mateview gt monitor i enjoy every single frame of my favorites games. I'm even playing FFXV (Poorly optimized as everyone know) in FHD everything maxed out or QHD at High settings and it's so stable, what a laptop guys!
Great work on the comparison. One thing I wish more people would do is point out testing with lower game settings. I know it gives a great baseline to test in standard "high/max" settings, but on things like the 6GB 3060, it's going to tank performance. And let's be honest - NOBODY is going to notice huge (or even any) differences in 'medium' vs 'high' settings, especially when gaming on the laptop screen itself. Unless you're in the business of pausing games and taking screenshots, then flipping back and forth to find differences, lowering settings can often net real gains with no humanly-discernible differences (esp. if you're actually moving around and playing the game).
3060 is great for current AAA-games, but 3070 will probably be future-proof for at least a good few years. In terms of the long-run, 3070 is the better buy, since it means you won't have to upgrade your laptop as soon as you would with the 3060.
8GB is essential at this point, really the minimum outside of esports/crafting/indie/oldgen gaming. 8GB on 1080p should last a good while for laptop gaming.
Personally I got Legion 5 Pro with RTX 3060and I believe the VRAM will be more than sufficient for the next 3-5 years of new generation games, considering the optimisation of the games for the upcoming Steam Deck and Intel mobile GPUs.
Im suprised how well the RTX 3060m performs, given the price difference between the Legion 5 3060 vs 3070 in the UK is £300 I don't think there is much doubt which is the better value. I do wonder if 6gb of VRAM will start to become an issue in a year or two unless you don't mind lowering the texture detail. I got the 3070 legion 5 because thats all that was in stock at the time, no regrets though its a great laptop.
I've tested the 3060 vs the 3070 and this reviewer is being very optimistic about the 3060 scores and the 3070 scores are lower than they should be. Which would git his bias for a certain laptop.
That's the consequences of buying laptop (especially gaming laptop). If people still thinking about sell their 'gaming' laptop in the future, they will disappointed.
I wouldn't mind getting a 3070 if the price and performance is right. In the end, you're paying for a long term usage of a laptop. So it may be more beneficial to get the 3070 if you plan to keep and hope maintain the device in like 5-7 years.
5-7 years is unrealistic at this point, just look how tech is evolving right now Even if your laptop may still be capable in 6 years who knows if you'll want to stick to yours when there are 165 4k oled displays laptops with crazy efficiency and battery life in an ultra slime package that doesn't run hot?
I'm more of the idea that the laptop has an average life of 5 years. More than that and the laptop will start either failing or underperforming, depending on the task you give them.
@@petitpanierdosier3206 I would those laptops you're speaking of will probably be insanely expensive I can't afford to spend 2-3k every couple years on a laptop
Glad to find this vid :) In Poland the price difference between these 2 is HUGE and definately not worth because of 10 fps difference. I will stick to legion 5 + 32gb + 3060
@@JarrodsTech in my country, the legion 5 pro with 3070 cost around 30% more than the legion 5 with rtx 3060. And I can't find any stock for both of them for months. There is no legion 5 with 3070 available either :(
Just seen this guy. He deserves so many subscribers im surprised you havent blown up huge man you're comparison is so detailed and informative and its really helped with my decisions on laptop buying thanks for all you do!!
I recently got the acer predator helios 300 ph315-55-73eh. It can run most games really well imo but the last of us part 1 has to have a couple settings that have a high vram usage lowered. I agree the extra money is worth the extra vram but if the games you play dont require 8gb of vram or u are going to upgrade in 3 years then you will be very happy with the 3060.
@@relonmfunda2750 excellent, a steady 90fps on high/ultra settings on Half Life Alyx on my Mixed Realty headset. I haven't done much gaming in the last year, but it just gobbled up most VR titles, took away a lot of system tinkering which I had with my old card (althought its kinda fun the tinkering and squeezing juice) You can inject FSR too via Steam VR. So I would say the CPU and GPU are great combo for VR, this system is a lot of bang for the buck.
The price difference between 3060m and 3070m on Lenovo Legion 5 Pro in Ireland was €180 if I remember correctly, which I would say is worth it for the more VRAM
@@SgtFinaldo rest of Europe seems to be having similar issues as well, must be just a general shortage, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ireland was at the bottom of the priority list for Lenovo
@@michalnowacki1489 probably. I'm more interested in the Legion 7 as it has a vapour chamber. Can only cross my fingers stock trickles through over the next few months.
I hot a G14 because the G15 was out of stock. I've been very impressed with my purchase tho. I thought I'd be disappointed and regret it, but the G14 with a 3060 is compact and can run quite strong.
@@jamesl.9776 The Asus G14 has been refreshingly good. I'd love to have bought a G15 but I am not so upset that I'm going to upgrade. It's actually nice to have a little more portable of a laptop.
in thailand, the price between these two are so different. HUGE difference. I went for a laptop with 3060 and core i5 12th gen to keep it well-balanced between working and gaming. the 3070 would drain my battery life a lot more that I coudnt work on the go for a long time.
The 3060 is doing pretty well, great comparison Jarrod. Can't really go wrong with either. A 3060 with RGB will outperform any GPU 🌈 Maybe a rtx 3070 vs the 6800? ( just a idea)
His 6800M came gimped out of the box with that awful RAM. He needs to definitely test 6800M with better RAM. It easily beats 3070 according to other channels (except RT where it sucks bad)
Please tell me I have the same legion 5 3060 And when i play rainbow 6 i get lower frames, optimus turned off and the laptop run in performance mode Please answer🙏🙏 Also what is dynamic boost and how to turn it on?
I bought the OMEN 15 recently with Ryzen 5600H with RTX 3060 for $1349 CAD (~$1050 USD). Ideally, I did want a 5800H/3070 pair - but most exceed $2000 CAD (~$1550USD); and anything that actually hit that price point were sold out. Part of me has a bit of buyer's remorse for not going 3070, especially with a 1440p (external) screen. That said, I couldn't muster paying $600-700 more. I figured paying $150 each for each respective GPU& CPU upgrade (so an additional $300) might have been reasonable, and was even prepared to take a 500GB hit on storage (mine came with 1TB). But >$600 was a lot. Hoping I survive the next 2-3 years. *Dramatic first world crying*
Same here. Now I feel bad for not saving up more to get a 3070. I was so desperate and bought a 3060 laptop. No point in saying this now though. Funnily enough most channels talk about the games of today instead of the games of tomorrow. Thus I never knew VRAM was a problem. I usually keep a laptop for 6 years, until it can no longer even run interested games in Lowest settings and 6 years is the lifetime based on this metric
@@SF-li9kh I hear ya. With RT, DLSS and a new console gen, I'm *hoping* we won't see a significant technology upgrade in the next few years apart from them pushing 4k/8k further. That's right, I want the industry to stall for my selfish purpose.😆
@@IraJavier you aren't alone dude. Significant leaps in short terms only helps companies, journos and content creators. I don't want to buy a new laptop or desktop every year like a mobile phone as such hopefully the tech stalls or at least supports all old gen.
I understand that cooling systems are different in these laptops, but I'm still curious what is the temp difference on GPUs and CPUs and the fans noise. Thanks for the comparison!
I don't think I have the right machines to make that possible. I haven't had a 5 Pro for 4+ months, for instance. I have the G15 for the 2nd time and have tested it with external screen and the same RAM as the 5 pro memory change video so I suppose you could manually compare those results when the 6800M comparisons come out.
It's all about wattage - when I compared the Zephyrus G15 3060 + 3070, the 3060 seemed like the better deal to me. They were similar in wattage and the performance at 1440p wasn't a huge amount better on the 3070 considering the price difference. (Except in cases where the 3060 ran out of VRAM, like in your Watch Dogs benchmark)
Really wished Lenovo would release Legion 5 and Pro series Legion with AMD graphics like RX 6700M and 6800M, but looks like those shortages are hitting hard.
Thank your for the hard work Jarrod! Used as a guide your benchmarks to compare with my L5 3070 that runs at 130W to see if the 10W difference could justify to just go for a 3060, and actually at just 130W I got almost the same fps than your benchmark! Control with ray tracing runs at smooth stable 60fps in 1080 and with just high settings runs at 90fps (some times +100 depending on whats on screen). In my opinion the 10W at this point doesn’t really make a difference, maybe you could try this in a future video? (Comparing the same graphics cards at different wattage to see how that difference transforms in performance?). Again thank you! Stay awesome
I have the legion 5 3070 and I have even higher fps than him because I undervolted the card so I can achieve higher clocks. The 140W 3070 seems not worth it, it will just heat more and spin the fan more
the 3070 is a lot faster(20% on average in games) but it is a lot harder to cool. i would stick to a 3060 on a laptop which i would use for 4-5 years and i would only get a 3070 if i absolutely need 8gb vram. 3080 just out of consideration for laptops imo. Jarrod himself has said that 3070 is the max he'd go on a laptop and 3060 is the sweet spot
@@youtubeshadowbannedme depends on how many frames u are playing. If u would have 30 fps with a rtx3060 than 20% would just be 6fps more. At 100fps its already 20fps more and at 300 60fps. Its not that bad but if u dont cares some frames than these doesnt matter, of course.
Considering the way games are very scalable with adjustable detail level settings, I don't think an 8 GB vram graphics card is going to be that much more future proof than an 6 gb one, especially when 16 gb cards come out in a couple years from now.
I would like to see the RTX 3080 in the competition as well. Surely, XMG or Lenovo could supply you with similar system but with these three different GPUs.
I have a laptop with a gtx 1060 and only 3GB of VRAM. Up until last year it may have struggled a bit to run games on maximum settings at 1080p apart from a few exceptions like RDR2 on high and 900p (Needs at least 4 - 5 GB VRAM for ultra textures), but performance overall was acceptable. After games like AC Valhalla released demanding even greater VRAM amounts, the GPU truly showed it's age and memory limitations. I have to resort to playing my games and looking at basically mud with medium textures and 900p mainly because I don't have enough virtual memory. If it were up to me I'd go for 3070 not thinking twice just because of the 8 gigs. Give it a year or two and only 6GB of VRAM available for 3060 will make it struggle with the newest titles. The GPU will be able to hold up good framerates but you will have to unavoidably lower the texture detail and textures as well as resolution are among the settings that define your game's visuals the most (1080p is just perfect even for 17inch laptops).
Im about to return my delta 15 and already ordered a legion 5 17 inch 3070. Hows your experience? Everything is a side grade from delta 15 except 3070 is better than 6700m and bigger screen(i find 15.6 too small to enjoy triple a games, competitive games its fine i guess). Oh and legion has bad ram appearently, i dont plan to upgrade ram as legion was already 270 more than delta, 1300 vs 1570 price not including taxes. Screen should be okay coming from delta, 144hz from 240 so not as high refresh rate, but its slightly brighter than delta at 314 vs 323 nits.
Well, basically we will get what we're paying for these devices in the time of recording in Australia In my country, Legion 5 Pro w/ RTX 3060 costs Rp26M and w/ RTX 3070 costs Rp30-35M, or in other words, it costs ~15-30% more depending on the deals Thank you for the insight, Mr. Jarrod
Like Jarrod mentioned, performance can't be linearly compared. The "outliers" are actually windows to the future. 30fps for 8GB titles with 6GB VRAM not only has baaaad performance but it was also stuttering, based on the 1% lows. So the 3070 is the only sensible option
in most cases i prefer the xx70 models especially TI's if u can get them, but for laptops the difference in power to price isnt worth it to me. if you are between 60 and your screen refresh rate those 7 ish frames dont make that much of a difference.
I am actually quite impressed with the Dell G15 5800h+3060 (165Hz 1080p screen) laptop I bought a couple of days ago, but when I saw the video on youtube talking about the TCC setting in the bios of the Alienware M15 R5 3070 that allows you to limit the max temps for the CPU, and I was able to buy one refurbished from BestBuy with a $500 Canadian discount, I pulled the trigger on the Alienware M15 R5. Going to confirm that it doesn't have any problems first, but assuming it's basically a Dell G15 with a metal case, 3070 8GB, and a much better keyboard, I'm probably going to be quite happy with it.
Got the legion 5 with the 3070 fitted. So glad i got such a good deal on it brand new off ebay. And it will last longer than the 3060 version and i paid only slightly more than a new 3060 model.
Just found this channel and gotta say this is some of the best in-depth and no nonsense reviews out there! You got yourself a lifelong subscriber! Hope to see you at 1 million subs, Jarrod
There are some 80W 3070 laptops close in price to 115W 3060 laptops...wil be interesting to see how they fare against each other...just giving you ideas ;) Great video as always Jarrod !
the 3060 would definitely squash the 3070 (80W TDP). I got the 3060 with the new i7-12700H. Intel's Alder Lake is so fast and power-hungry and paired with 3060, they blow your mind. My 3060 is capped at 140W (boost) and my CPU occasionally goes to 80-90W when playing intensive games, with a 129 W draw from the GPU at the same time. So it's more like max load, the best from the CPU and GPU...
@@kailasprasads yes I know that.. manufacturers can push the limits.. and MSI has their own GPU boost... 👍 I have seen laptops of 3070@90W falling below the 3060 at max TDP... But of course it depends on the CPU usage too...
Hey Jarrod love your videos, Can You please make a video for the students, who want Gaming laptops for the Deep Learning and 3D Modelling, Like which laptop is cost-effective as well as high performance needing high gpu memory
By the time I'll really need extra 2 gigs I'll most likely be buying a new laptop anyway with a better and cheaper GPU than surely outdated 3070 at that time
I've seen this video before buying 5i pro g7 and I noticed the difference isn't in the performance, its in the cooling. Even if you manage to game at 1440p with RTX3070ti with 12th gen intel, your laptop would definitely die quicker cuz the heat management is just not good enough. I was gaming on apex and the heat below the cooling chamber was MAD HOT on 1440p with RTX3060.
3070 laptops can run 4k 60 fps gaming pretty well with a few tweaks. I don't know if a 3060 laptop would pull that off so well. 3070 is definitely more stable for Vr as well.
Which is why 3070 is more future proof and it's worth to spend an extra money for it, because they don't need to spend a lot of money to buy another laptop with RTX 4070 or even 4060 when they're arrive...
@@macsandre2818 my 3070 laptop will hopefully hold me over long enough to build a proper desktop rig without selling a kidney for the GPU. 😅😅 Curse you crypto currency.
@@Orain88 i'm sure you can build start from now until next 3-4 years. I'll take 3 years as the ideal condition laptop should be replaced either with completely new rig or buy another laptop with current GPU at that time, because of how fast technology has evolved.
@@macsandre2818 i at least want to wait for zen 4 and AM5 motherboards. I was very close to starting an r9 5900x build but thought better of it once my laptop finally arrived 2 months after ordering it. I realized it was powerful enough to be my main diver for a while and then I can wait for things to calm down a bit (knock on wood) get the next generation of chipset. But you're right, it's crazy how fast this is all evolving, add in all this high tech upscaling tech too and you won't even need the top gpu's for solid VR and AAA gaming. Im also holding out for more cpu cores, zbrush looooves more cores and threads.
I am happy with my Lenovo Legion 5, besides I don't really care about graphics so long as I can game with smooth frame rate. To me the RTX 3060 is good enough, don't really need that much graphical power, at least to me
A local shop was carrying the Legion 5 with both 3060 and 3070. Both were discounted but the 3070's discount was deeper. That made it only $119 dollars more expensive at a total of $1380. This was a no brainer
I swear Jarrod is reading my mind with these videos. I’m currently debating between the Razer Blade 14 3070 and 3060 versions. With coupons/gcards I can get the 3070 for around $1800 or the 3060 for around $1450 from Best Buy.
Yes I am broke, but I went w/the 3060 anyways, it’s more than enough for my needs. And I gotta say this thing is seriously impressive. Plays 1080p great and even 1440p is not bad.
Prices and availability can be so weird from location to location. I bought my Legion 5 in 17inch version with 5800H and 3070 130W almost a year ago for $1600. They had like 5 such laptops and it was never re-stocked, on the contrary the closest config I've seen in my market was with 5600H and RTX 3060 for an even higher price, never lower than my more powerful and older laptop. It was the same 2 years ago which is why I missed those deals and there were just no good laptops on the market so I kept checking EVERY DAY a year later to snatch a good laptop.
Don't get your hopes up, guys. The desktop will squash the mobile by around 25%. However, with that bulky beast of a GPU, fed with double the wattage and much higher price, I still call the mobile version the winner. Hardware Unboxed did one such test and it showed that the mobile RTX3080 was just slightly behind the desktop RTX3070.
Bro i had a pc with 3060(90+15) watt. And believe it or not when compared with a 3050 ti same featured pc, it wasnt so astonishing. İt was like 50 fps against 40 fps(You expect at least 50% performance between 3050ti and 3060). So i return the pc and get my money back. And you are mentioning even lower powered 3060. 3060 with low power is nothing. Best find a pc with full powered 3060.(115+15 watt). That is where the best value for prize lies.
So basically ~9-13fps higher to rtx 3070 ( and around ~6-8fps higher on non vram bound games ) but increase of price around ~20%+ seems it is not worth getting 3070 for most people, but if u dont mind the money, then sure! go with the 3070. but remember u can oc the 3060 also ( plus the 3060 runs cooler, resulting in a cooler system and cpu )
3060 and 3070 will have the same temps if both are at their max wattages. They are both 130w max cards, so 3070 can have cooler temps if its a max q design and vice versa for the 3060.
@@hatty101 Yeah, I wouldn't go for a 3080 unless it's a 16GB version of the card (For 4k gaming or content/blender stuff). 3070 8GB and 3080 8GB, 3070 is definitely better.
You hear the man, sadly I can't speak about the 5 pro because it wasn't sold here locally so only the 5 is available and reviewed Anyway, if 1080p is okay with you with 144hz panel, then base 5 is good enough.
I found a used Tuf F15 3070 laptop for £650 so I couldn't say no for that price, I've heard you can change the v bios to get more power from the GPU thus taking away the bottleneck.
Is this a good setup for Call of Duty Warzone: Intel Core i7 11th Gen 11800H 2.3GHz Processor; NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB GDDR6; 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM; 1TB Solid State Drive; Microsoft Windows 11 Home; 2x2 802.11ax Wireless+Bluetooth 5.1; 16.0" WQXGA IPS Anti-Glare 165Hz Display with Dolby Vision
So basically, in games that don't use a stupid amount of Vram there's like a 10% difference. Personalyl I'm good with a 3060 and money to buy a bigger SSD and x8 Ram if needed.
Thanks for your videos. I just picked up a Legion 5 3060 (based off your reviews) at MicroCenter who had a really good deal and couldn't be happier. Going to use your upgrade videos and switch out the 60whr battery to the 80 whr battery and throw in another 1 TB NVME. I don't see much improvement to jump from 16 gb ram to 32 but maybe in the future. Any recomendations eeking out as much battery for office task like browsing, emails, watching school videos? I know the 80whr battery will help but trying to eek out atleast 4-5 hrs on battery. Thanks again!
great videos. Thanks. But can you please include Dota 2. I know it's not graphic heavy, but it's interesting to see other than first/third person games. Plus it has lots of effects that may stress the GPU.
This was a good video as it compares just the difference in video. A nice addition is if you can compare the heat and sound difference when the games are being played.
The rtx 3070 is only viable when its priced close to rtx 3060 options (within $200 or so, no more) since the extra vram is quite helpful. And the extra performance is nice. The 3060's higher wattage versions (closer to $1500) surprisingly don't seem like great options.
Thank tou so much for this. Right when I needed it! Personally, do you think the few FPS more on the 3070 is worth the difference in price compared to the 3060?
@@JarrodsTech I've also been really curious about this. If a full-wattage laptop 3060 comes close or even surpasses the last gen PC equivalent it'd be a monumental feat.
Yes, especially for the 140w tgp rtx 3070. Nearly as fast as the 3080, even beats the lower tdp ones. Price/ value ratio is one of the best. The msi gp76 is one of the best imo.
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You forgot to make battery test on this one
Will the gaminglaptops deals have and deals for Europe?
2022 Legion 5i Pro with 12700h & 3060 or 2021 Legion 5i Pro 11800h with 3070 ?
In today's episode of "Jarrod's Legion 5 vs. The World"...
If I have to spend my own money on something I'm going to get the most content possible out of it!
@@JarrodsTech True
@@JarrodsTech Love your content. I bought the Lenovo legion 5 because of your review 😃
@@marcelopais7043 Same
@@JarrodsTech jarrod should I buy a 1660ti or 3050ti I want to game at high graphics 60fps for next 2-3 years or should o go for 3060
Thanks for doing what you do. People who speak simply and straight to point in reviews these days are few and far between , you’ve helped me make my buying decision easy.
He gets paid a lot of money to do what he does!
@@vontrap6942 Sure but he earns every cent! I always come back to this channel 🤑
I am really impressed by the 3060 rocking 1440p on high settings... always thought it was only capable of 1080p gaming
Yeah did not expect those results!
@@Showz333 no the higher you go on resolution the more gpu dependant it will get.
The RTX 3060 can run 1440p at 60fps no problem. The only issue is with lazy devs not optimizing their games.
@@bickboose9364 the 3060 will be good enough for this generation.
Its high settings only,not ultra bro!
Comparisons with RX 6600M and 6700M coming soon!
Yes please waiting for that!!
Sweet
So is the 6800M comparable to 3070 in terms of performance?
@@KratosisGod I am yet to check, I have the data for both though and will do a video if I think it's worthwhile, otherwise just 3080 and 6800M.
@@KratosisGod yes better but when it comes to Ray tracing it drops.
Huge price differences between them here in the EU. Just ordered my 3060 equipped legion a few days ago. I'm sure it'll be plenty powerful :)
Legion 5 or 5 pro?
@@mubeenjahangir7127 just the regular. Got it for 1200 euros on offer. 165hz screen, 16gb ram, 3060. The pro was around 1800 euro at the time.
Really?? Got mine in UK for the same price, only downside was that 3070 laptop had only 512 ssd and 3060 1tb...
Dude enjoy it’s fucking amazing had my legion w 3060ti for a week now and it plays dayz so smooth on max settings
True that, costs ridiculously more.
I realized something, the more and more good technology comes out, the more and more unoptimized games are coming out. 8 GB vram not being enough? They are being extremely sloppy with their games.
You go back to the PS2 era and before, they had to do genius things to save space and resources. Now they just don't give a crap.
I'm pretty sure they do this to make you pay more for tech so they can make more money
@@jbfromcanada9738 No, they do this to save time and money optimizing the game. When the game is able to brute force and get at least 60 fps why waste the time optimizing it? The problem is they usually start with the donated high end cards that NVidia or AMD gives. Then they slowly remove the stuff out the game to make the older and weaker gpus at least hit 60.
Got the Legion5 based on the reviews here and am quite happy with it. I'd skipped 2 generations since the 900 series, so it felt nice to have a more contemporary machine in a long while. I'd have gotten the Legion7 if it were available but sadly, that was not to be. Still, very happy with my purchase and this machine should tide me over for the next 2-3 years at least especially since I have no interest to play games above 1080p.
How’s the fan noice?
I think the 3060 is the better buy at 1080p and the 3070 at 1440p. Assuming one is on a budget. Thanks for the video.
3060 has a lower VRAM which is 4geg, it is not enough for today's games, I am very sure that games like cyberpunk, god of war, Gotham knights, and a lot of other games will demand more VRAM.
@@zhiwank7200 6 GB of vram on the 3060 mobile version.
@@boom78 To add to this - 6 GB vram is plenty for PS5/Series X gen games. The circlejerk "6 is too low!! 8 or more essential!!" is just nonsense.
Thanks for including content creation benchmarks. I work with Maya and unreal and now unreal 5 and rendering mostly using the GPU. It's always good to see those comparisons on that level I wish there were more.
Yeah, I totally agree that 3070 mobile is more future proof. And if you want to use RT you need all of it's power to reach comfortable fps with nice graphics (with DLSS).
I think the fact it carries 8GB of VRAM is enough to justify spending more now and saving later on since 6GB VRAM wouldn't be enough in more future games.
Unless of course, people change their laptops yearly. LMAO
@@randomesteven3935 Yes, I for one like to try use my tech products even longer than 2 years. If you buy good products often up to 4 years comfortable usage is possible. Of course much more for some products - my TV is 7 years old, stereo amplifier 20 years and speakers 30 years (Ensemble PA-1).
@@tkermi Agree, my laptop with 1060 is like 3 years old. And about now is the 1st time I'm even starting to think updating. My tv is from year 2006 :D
What a clownish mindset
@@yan4013 Yeah, but isn't 1650 Ti mobile too weak for competitive gaming? I read that it gives for example CoD: Modern Warfare
1080p / Med ~70 fps
1080p / High ~60 fps
1440p / High
There is hardly any topic that I cannot find on your channel. You cover possibly everything there is about laptops and more. Keep up the good work mate!
Please, Jarrod, we need 6700m vs 6800m vs 3070 vs 3080 comparisons. Thanks for all your videos. Keep it up
At 1080p 6800m= 3080= 15 percent faster faster than 3070
At 1440p 6800m= 6 percent slower than 3080= 11 percent faster than 3070
I am working on them.
I haven't seen the video yet, but i HAVE to tell you my experience. I had a gaming PC, all custom loop and liquid cooled, with ryzen 9 3900X and RTX 2080 Ti, a Little Beast, i really enjoyed playing on that machine. For my brother's marriage I had to sell that PC as i needed Money, but i bought a Lenovo legion 5 with rtx 3060 and ryzen 5 5600h as i saw Jarrod talking so happily about that and Oh my... Greatest gaming experience of my Life all around, of course that's not the same Power but on that screen or on my Huawei mateview gt monitor i enjoy every single frame of my favorites games. I'm even playing FFXV (Poorly optimized as everyone know) in FHD everything maxed out or QHD at High settings and it's so stable, what a laptop guys!
Another well done review. You continue to deliver unique and relevant content. You're hard work is truly appreciated and extremely useful. Thank you.
Cheers!
Great work on the comparison. One thing I wish more people would do is point out testing with lower game settings. I know it gives a great baseline to test in standard "high/max" settings, but on things like the 6GB 3060, it's going to tank performance.
And let's be honest - NOBODY is going to notice huge (or even any) differences in 'medium' vs 'high' settings, especially when gaming on the laptop screen itself. Unless you're in the business of pausing games and taking screenshots, then flipping back and forth to find differences, lowering settings can often net real gains with no humanly-discernible differences (esp. if you're actually moving around and playing the game).
3060 is great for current AAA-games, but 3070 will probably be future-proof for at least a good few years. In terms of the long-run, 3070 is the better buy, since it means you won't have to upgrade your laptop as soon as you would with the 3060.
Fake trash
8GB is essential at this point, really the minimum outside of esports/crafting/indie/oldgen gaming. 8GB on 1080p should last a good while for laptop gaming.
in the future the 3070 will be significantly better, and that could even be this year
@@TylerCubeRBLX based on what?
@@irulannaba6970 the vram because game require more vram
Personally I got Legion 5 Pro with RTX 3060and I believe the VRAM will be more than sufficient for the next 3-5 years of new generation games, considering the optimisation of the games for the upcoming Steam Deck and Intel mobile GPUs.
Smart observation
@@kyledupont7711 thinking to buy the same one, what are your thoughts on the laptop so far
@@kyledupont7711 Thanks for the reply
@@kyledupont7711 why there is vram warning bro?
This did not age well 😀lol no offense. I myself am not much better off (3070 w/ 8 gigs)
Im suprised how well the RTX 3060m performs, given the price difference between the Legion 5 3060 vs 3070 in the UK is £300 I don't think there is much doubt which is the better value. I do wonder if 6gb of VRAM will start to become an issue in a year or two unless you don't mind lowering the texture detail. I got the 3070 legion 5 because thats all that was in stock at the time, no regrets though its a great laptop.
What is this 3060m that you have created?
@@rundattmedia2106 That's really a good deal and cheap.
I think the 3060 would last for more 4 years.
I've tested the 3060 vs the 3070 and this reviewer is being very optimistic about the 3060 scores and the 3070 scores are lower than they should be. Which would git his bias for a certain laptop.
I believe 3060 is future proof for about 4-5 yrs. But after that even our processor's gonna get old so anyway we have to change our laptops 😂
I bought last week a Legion 5 with 3060 at 130hz. Amd 5800 and 16g ram. 144hz 300nits. Very happy with it. 1400 euro. Thanks for the review.
They should make available graphics card replacement option. As resale values of these laptops are very poor.
That's the consequences of buying laptop (especially gaming laptop).
If people still thinking about sell their 'gaming' laptop in the future, they will disappointed.
Windows equipped PC's have ALWAYS had very poor resale values.
I wouldn't mind getting a 3070 if the price and performance is right. In the end, you're paying for a long term usage of a laptop. So it may be more beneficial to get the 3070 if you plan to keep and hope maintain the device in like 5-7 years.
5-7 years is unrealistic at this point, just look how tech is evolving right now
Even if your laptop may still be capable in 6 years who knows if you'll want to stick to yours when there are 165 4k oled displays laptops with crazy efficiency and battery life in an ultra slime package that doesn't run hot?
I'm more of the idea that the laptop has an average life of 5 years. More than that and the laptop will start either failing or underperforming, depending on the task you give them.
@@petitpanierdosier3206 I would those laptops you're speaking of will probably be insanely expensive I can't afford to spend 2-3k every couple years on a laptop
@@El_Chuchuca my last one lasted about 7 still works but it struggles with games now
In 7 years any todays mobile gpu is going to be garbage at anything new.
Every single video I want u are uploading it ,don't know how but u do a incredible work man. Love your videos!
Glad you enjoy it!
You're the best, man! Thank you for all these awesome and X-ray-detailed reviews and comparisons! 💪
Glad to find this vid :) In Poland the price difference between these 2 is HUGE and definately not worth because of 10 fps difference. I will stick to legion 5 + 32gb + 3060
No dobra to jest 10-15 fpsów ale na pewno pograsz na 3070 dłużej ze dwa lata gdzie 3060 dostanie już zadyszki. 2 gb vram mówi to.
Thank you for this comparison Jarrod! 👍🔥😊
No problem!
@@JarrodsTech in my country, the legion 5 pro with 3070 cost around 30% more than the legion 5 with rtx 3060. And I can't find any stock for both of them for months. There is no legion 5 with 3070 available either :(
Just seen this guy. He deserves so many subscribers im surprised you havent blown up huge man you're comparison is so detailed and informative and its really helped with my decisions on laptop buying thanks for all you do!!
I recently got the acer predator helios 300 ph315-55-73eh. It can run most games really well imo but the last of us part 1 has to have a couple settings that have a high vram usage lowered.
I agree the extra money is worth the extra vram but if the games you play dont require 8gb of vram or u are going to upgrade in 3 years then you will be very happy with the 3060.
If you do get the 3060 make sure it's the 115-130w 3060. I have the Alienware M17R4(360hz) with the 3060 and it slays games
I dont comment much. The 3070 is out of stock and I'm looking at the 3060 now. What are your thoughts on it for far?
I bought a Legion 5 and felt I needed the 3070 to justify the weight of the laptop and power brick. Plus I want to challenge the system with VR gaming
How is the performance for VR. Gaming?
@@relonmfunda2750 excellent, a steady 90fps on high/ultra settings on Half Life Alyx on my Mixed Realty headset. I haven't done much gaming in the last year, but it just gobbled up most VR titles, took away a lot of system tinkering which I had with my old card (althought its kinda fun the tinkering and squeezing juice) You can inject FSR too via Steam VR. So I would say the CPU and GPU are great combo for VR, this system is a lot of bang for the buck.
The price difference between 3060m and 3070m on Lenovo Legion 5 Pro in Ireland was €180 if I remember correctly, which I would say is worth it for the more VRAM
It's a shame it's out of stock. And so is the full fat Legion 7. Shortages, or just it being wee little Ireland. smh
@@SgtFinaldo rest of Europe seems to be having similar issues as well, must be just a general shortage, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ireland was at the bottom of the priority list for Lenovo
@@michalnowacki1489 probably. I'm more interested in the Legion 7 as it has a vapour chamber. Can only cross my fingers stock trickles through over the next few months.
I hot a G14 because the G15 was out of stock. I've been very impressed with my purchase tho. I thought I'd be disappointed and regret it, but the G14 with a 3060 is compact and can run quite strong.
I'd totally go for the Asus for the battery life, but if only there were more stock and better price to match the Legion 5
@@jamesl.9776 The Asus G14 has been refreshingly good. I'd love to have bought a G15 but I am not so upset that I'm going to upgrade. It's actually nice to have a little more portable of a laptop.
in thailand, the price between these two are so different. HUGE difference. I went for a laptop with 3060 and core i5 12th gen to keep it well-balanced between working and gaming. the 3070 would drain my battery life a lot more that I coudnt work on the go for a long time.
The 3060 is doing pretty well, great comparison Jarrod.
Can't really go wrong with either.
A 3060 with RGB will outperform any GPU 🌈
Maybe a rtx 3070 vs the 6800? ( just a idea)
RGB Powaaaah !!! %50 increase.
My point exactly)
His 6800M came gimped out of the box with that awful RAM. He needs to definitely test 6800M with better RAM. It easily beats 3070 according to other channels (except RT where it sucks bad)
@@SF-li9kh 6800m = rtx 2060 in raytracing performance so you need FSR if you want rtx.
Please tell me
I have the same legion 5 3060
And when i play rainbow 6 i get lower frames, optimus turned off and the laptop run in performance mode Please answer🙏🙏
Also what is dynamic boost and how to turn it on?
Great comparison and unexpected results and performance by the rtx 3060!
I bought the OMEN 15 recently with Ryzen 5600H with RTX 3060 for $1349 CAD (~$1050 USD). Ideally, I did want a 5800H/3070 pair - but most exceed $2000 CAD (~$1550USD); and anything that actually hit that price point were sold out.
Part of me has a bit of buyer's remorse for not going 3070, especially with a 1440p (external) screen. That said, I couldn't muster paying $600-700 more. I figured paying $150 each for each respective GPU& CPU upgrade (so an additional $300) might have been reasonable, and was even prepared to take a 500GB hit on storage (mine came with 1TB). But >$600 was a lot.
Hoping I survive the next 2-3 years. *Dramatic first world crying*
Same here. Now I feel bad for not saving up more to get a 3070. I was so desperate and bought a 3060 laptop. No point in saying this now though. Funnily enough most channels talk about the games of today instead of the games of tomorrow. Thus I never knew VRAM was a problem. I usually keep a laptop for 6 years, until it can no longer even run interested games in Lowest settings and 6 years is the lifetime based on this metric
I think that will be enough for this gen.
I'm getting third world tears reading this
@@SF-li9kh I hear ya. With RT, DLSS and a new console gen, I'm *hoping* we won't see a significant technology upgrade in the next few years apart from them pushing 4k/8k further. That's right, I want the industry to stall for my selfish purpose.😆
@@IraJavier you aren't alone dude. Significant leaps in short terms only helps companies, journos and content creators. I don't want to buy a new laptop or desktop every year like a mobile phone as such hopefully the tech stalls or at least supports all old gen.
Amazing work, these videos are super helpful for someone deciding to buy a new laptop! Thanks JT! 🔥✨
Happy to help!
I understand that cooling systems are different in these laptops, but I'm still curious what is the temp difference on GPUs and CPUs and the fans noise. Thanks for the comparison!
Hey Jarrod, Can you compare both Legion 5 pro (3070) with ROG Strix G15 Advantage with the same memory kit in a separate video??
I don't think I have the right machines to make that possible. I haven't had a 5 Pro for 4+ months, for instance. I have the G15 for the 2nd time and have tested it with external screen and the same RAM as the 5 pro memory change video so I suppose you could manually compare those results when the 6800M comparisons come out.
It's all about wattage - when I compared the Zephyrus G15 3060 + 3070, the 3060 seemed like the better deal to me. They were similar in wattage and the performance at 1440p wasn't a huge amount better on the 3070 considering the price difference. (Except in cases where the 3060 ran out of VRAM, like in your Watch Dogs benchmark)
i7-1180i7-11800h rtx 3060 vs Ryzen 5 5600H RTX 3070 8GB, what is better??? In my country they have a similar price. Thanks!!
Really wished Lenovo would release Legion 5 and Pro series Legion with AMD graphics like RX 6700M and 6800M, but looks like those shortages are hitting hard.
Thank your for the hard work Jarrod! Used as a guide your benchmarks to compare with my L5 3070 that runs at 130W to see if the 10W difference could justify to just go for a 3060, and actually at just 130W I got almost the same fps than your benchmark! Control with ray tracing runs at smooth stable 60fps in 1080 and with just high settings runs at 90fps (some times +100 depending on whats on screen). In my opinion the 10W at this point doesn’t really make a difference, maybe you could try this in a future video? (Comparing the same graphics cards at different wattage to see how that difference transforms in performance?). Again thank you! Stay awesome
I have the legion 5 3070 and I have even higher fps than him because I undervolted the card so I can achieve higher clocks. The 140W 3070 seems not worth it, it will just heat more and spin the fan more
@@mihailcirlig8187 would you recommend a 140w 3060 gen 7 over 140w 3070 gen 6 legion?
@@fish3117 Depends on the price, 3070 is superior but it all comes to the price difference, if affordable take the 3070
@@mihailcirlig8187 would 300$ be worth the performance boost? That the lowest so far, thinking of waiting till black friday
@@fish3117 I think yes but that would be the maximum limit, a 3070 also has 8 gigs of vram so more future proof, if you care about that
Hey, Jarrod, great content and channel overall. Very informative videos. Thanks for all the hard work you're putting in it.
Glad you enjoy it!
the 3070 is a lot faster(20% on average in games) but it is a lot harder to cool. i would stick to a 3060 on a laptop which i would use for 4-5 years and i would only get a 3070 if i absolutely need 8gb vram. 3080 just out of consideration for laptops imo. Jarrod himself has said that 3070 is the max he'd go on a laptop and 3060 is the sweet spot
Damm I just got the Legion 7i 3080 should I return it and get the 3060?
@@ittbelitt8409 nah give it to me :)
@@ittbelitt8409 if cooling is the problem, just get a cooling pad
20% isn't a lot faster that's like 10 extra frames lmfao
@@youtubeshadowbannedme depends on how many frames u are playing. If u would have 30 fps with a rtx3060 than 20% would just be 6fps more. At 100fps its already 20fps more and at 300 60fps. Its not that bad but if u dont cares some frames than these doesnt matter, of course.
Considering the way games are very scalable with adjustable detail level settings, I don't think an 8 GB vram graphics card is going to be that much more future proof than an 6 gb one, especially when 16 gb cards come out in a couple years from now.
I'm glad I went the 130w 3060 😍
I would like to see the RTX 3080 in the competition as well. Surely, XMG or Lenovo could supply you with similar system but with these three different GPUs.
Great video, really nice to see both compared head to head. Btw any chance of doing this between 3070 and 3080?
I have a laptop with a gtx 1060 and only 3GB of VRAM. Up until last year it may have struggled a bit to run games on maximum settings at 1080p apart from a few exceptions like RDR2 on high and 900p (Needs at least 4 - 5 GB VRAM for ultra textures), but performance overall was acceptable. After games like AC Valhalla released demanding even greater VRAM amounts, the GPU truly showed it's age and memory limitations. I have to resort to playing my games and looking at basically mud with medium textures and 900p mainly because I don't have enough virtual memory.
If it were up to me I'd go for 3070 not thinking twice just because of the 8 gigs. Give it a year or two and only 6GB of VRAM available for 3060 will make it struggle with the newest titles. The GPU will be able to hold up good framerates but you will have to unavoidably lower the texture detail and textures as well as resolution are among the settings that define your game's visuals the most (1080p is just perfect even for 17inch laptops).
was rocking a 1050 4gb on my laptop last week upgraded to a 3070 shits a whole different world of gaming now
This happened to me. Having to play Company of Heroes 3 on lowest possible settings. Just bought a new laptop with a 3070 haha.
Recently got RTX 3070 Legion 5 myself, love the 17inch 144hz display but the 300 nits is not enough 😔
Im about to return my delta 15 and already ordered a legion 5 17 inch 3070. Hows your experience? Everything is a side grade from delta 15 except 3070 is better than 6700m and bigger screen(i find 15.6 too small to enjoy triple a games, competitive games its fine i guess). Oh and legion has bad ram appearently, i dont plan to upgrade ram as legion was already 270 more than delta, 1300 vs 1570 price not including taxes. Screen should be okay coming from delta, 144hz from 240 so not as high refresh rate, but its slightly brighter than delta at 314 vs 323 nits.
Druze imam i ja rtx 3060 legion sa istim ekranom, sasvim dovoljno 300 nita za koriscenje van sunceve svetlosti
Well, basically we will get what we're paying for these devices in the time of recording in Australia
In my country, Legion 5 Pro w/ RTX 3060 costs Rp26M and w/ RTX 3070 costs Rp30-35M, or in other words, it costs ~15-30% more depending on the deals
Thank you for the insight, Mr. Jarrod
Like Jarrod mentioned, performance can't be linearly compared. The "outliers" are actually windows to the future. 30fps for 8GB titles with 6GB VRAM not only has baaaad performance but it was also stuttering, based on the 1% lows. So the 3070 is the only sensible option
Nasib tinggal di Indonesia, bro..Haha...
I wonder if you can cap the TDP of these gpus so that we can simulate what kind of performance to expect from lower TDP models
Amazing work, as usual. 60 more watts to dissipate +400€/CHF/$ to spend for 16% more FPS in average. That's the final equation
in most cases i prefer the xx70 models especially TI's if u can get them, but for laptops the difference in power to price isnt worth it to me. if you are between 60 and your screen refresh rate those 7 ish frames dont make that much of a difference.
I am actually quite impressed with the Dell G15 5800h+3060 (165Hz 1080p screen) laptop I bought a couple of days ago, but when I saw the video on youtube talking about the TCC setting in the bios of the Alienware M15 R5 3070 that allows you to limit the max temps for the CPU, and I was able to buy one refurbished from BestBuy with a $500 Canadian discount, I pulled the trigger on the Alienware M15 R5. Going to confirm that it doesn't have any problems first, but assuming it's basically a Dell G15 with a metal case, 3070 8GB, and a much better keyboard, I'm probably going to be quite happy with it.
how's ur laptop 1 year later?
Got the legion 5 with the 3070 fitted. So glad i got such a good deal on it brand new off ebay. And it will last longer than the 3060 version and i paid only slightly more than a new 3060 model.
How is it holding up ? What games do you play and how’s the FPS ? + settings?
@@treyon9190 Holding up well on max settings for now. No issues but for a laptop it's good as you'd expect.
Just found this channel and gotta say this is some of the best in-depth and no nonsense reviews out there! You got yourself a lifelong subscriber! Hope to see you at 1 million subs, Jarrod
There are some 80W 3070 laptops close in price to 115W 3060 laptops...wil be interesting to see how they fare against each other...just giving you ideas ;)
Great video as always Jarrod !
80w 3070 laptops are awful , you lose so much power
the 3060 would definitely squash the 3070 (80W TDP). I got the 3060 with the new i7-12700H. Intel's Alder Lake is so fast and power-hungry and paired with 3060, they blow your mind. My 3060 is capped at 140W (boost) and my CPU occasionally goes to 80-90W when playing intensive games, with a 129 W draw from the GPU at the same time. So it's more like max load, the best from the CPU and GPU...
@@prk3437 max wattage of all 3060's is 130W but I agree to your point.
@@kailasprasads yes I know that.. manufacturers can push the limits.. and MSI has their own GPU boost... 👍
I have seen laptops of 3070@90W falling below the 3060 at max TDP... But of course it depends on the CPU usage too...
My 3060 seems to be an updated one with 140w which is stronger than both of these two from the video. I'm pretty happy about that.
The 2022 models can go an extra 10w higher for some reason.
This is the best possible format of a review or buyer’s guide. Tons of useful information about relevant workloads and very clear descriptions
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Jarrod love your videos, Can You please make a video for the students, who want Gaming laptops for the Deep Learning and 3D Modelling, Like which laptop is cost-effective as well as high performance needing high gpu memory
By the time I'll really need extra 2 gigs I'll most likely be buying a new laptop anyway with a better and cheaper GPU than surely outdated 3070 at that time
I've seen this video before buying 5i pro g7 and I noticed the difference isn't in the performance, its in the cooling. Even if you manage to game at 1440p with RTX3070ti with 12th gen intel, your laptop would definitely die quicker cuz the heat management is just not good enough. I was gaming on apex and the heat below the cooling chamber was MAD HOT on 1440p with RTX3060.
Oh my god. This video is exactly what I needed
3070 laptops can run 4k 60 fps gaming pretty well with a few tweaks. I don't know if a 3060 laptop would pull that off so well. 3070 is definitely more stable for Vr as well.
Which is why 3070 is more future proof and it's worth to spend an extra money for it, because they don't need to spend a lot of money to buy another laptop with RTX 4070 or even 4060 when they're arrive...
@@macsandre2818 my 3070 laptop will hopefully hold me over long enough to build a proper desktop rig without selling a kidney for the GPU. 😅😅
Curse you crypto currency.
@@Orain88 i'm sure you can build start from now until next 3-4 years.
I'll take 3 years as the ideal condition laptop should be replaced either with completely new rig or buy another laptop with current GPU at that time, because of how fast technology has evolved.
@@macsandre2818 i at least want to wait for zen 4 and AM5 motherboards. I was very close to starting an r9 5900x build but thought better of it once my laptop finally arrived 2 months after ordering it. I realized it was powerful enough to be my main diver for a while and then I can wait for things to calm down a bit (knock on wood) get the next generation of chipset.
But you're right, it's crazy how fast this is all evolving, add in all this high tech upscaling tech too and you won't even need the top gpu's for solid VR and AAA gaming.
Im also holding out for more cpu cores, zbrush looooves more cores and threads.
I am happy with my Lenovo Legion 5, besides I don't really care about graphics so long as I can game with smooth frame rate. To me the RTX 3060 is good enough, don't really need that much graphical power, at least to me
A local shop was carrying the Legion 5 with both 3060 and 3070. Both were discounted but the 3070's discount was deeper. That made it only $119 dollars more expensive at a total of $1380. This was a no brainer
Subscribed. I love how thorough these breakdowns are and incorporate price!!
Always love your videos, Jarrod. Any chance you could mention/test how well these laptops perform when playing SteamVR / PCVR games? Thx!
I swear Jarrod is reading my mind with these videos. I’m currently debating between the Razer Blade 14 3070 and 3060 versions. With coupons/gcards I can get the 3070 for around $1800 or the 3060 for around $1450 from Best Buy.
So Which one are you getting? 3060 or 3070
@@islandersean2213 none cuz he broke
I'll grab instantly 3070 with $1800. It's pretty cheap for me.
Yes I am broke, but I went w/the 3060 anyways, it’s more than enough for my needs. And I gotta say this thing is seriously impressive. Plays 1080p great and even 1440p is not bad.
@@Tekmauz as long as you’re happy
Prices and availability can be so weird from location to location. I bought my Legion 5 in 17inch version with 5800H and 3070 130W almost a year ago for $1600. They had like 5 such laptops and it was never re-stocked, on the contrary the closest config I've seen in my market was with 5600H and RTX 3060 for an even higher price, never lower than my more powerful and older laptop. It was the same 2 years ago which is why I missed those deals and there were just no good laptops on the market so I kept checking EVERY DAY a year later to snatch a good laptop.
@Tai lumis i personally think that rtx 3070 should always be the 115w-130w variant, the rtx 3060 115w can smash that into the ground
Would appreciate a 3070 laptop vs 3070 desktop showdown!
The video is done, just not scheduled for a couple more weeks.
@@JarrodsTech awesome, looking forward to it! I know you get this all the time, but excellent content dude. Much appreciated.
@@JarrodsTech rtx 3070 100w laptop vs gtx 970 desktop.
Book it jarrod.
A last gpu standing match
Don't get your hopes up, guys. The desktop will squash the mobile by around 25%. However, with that bulky beast of a GPU, fed with double the wattage and much higher price, I still call the mobile version the winner. Hardware Unboxed did one such test and it showed that the mobile RTX3080 was just slightly behind the desktop RTX3070.
I'm more interested in a 3070 desktop vs 6800M. Morr evenly matched
I’m quite curious about 80-95w 3060 vs 3070 vs 3080 the difference might be quite small
Bro i had a pc with 3060(90+15) watt. And believe it or not when compared with a 3050 ti same featured pc, it wasnt so astonishing. İt was like 50 fps against 40 fps(You expect at least 50% performance between 3050ti and 3060). So i return the pc and get my money back. And you are mentioning even lower powered 3060. 3060 with low power is nothing. Best find a pc with full powered 3060.(115+15 watt). That is where the best value for prize lies.
So basically ~9-13fps higher to rtx 3070 ( and around ~6-8fps higher on non vram bound games ) but increase of price around ~20%+
seems it is not worth getting 3070 for most people, but if u dont mind the money, then sure! go with the 3070.
but remember u can oc the 3060 also ( plus the 3060 runs cooler, resulting in a cooler system and cpu )
3060 and 3070 will have the same temps if both are at their max wattages. They are both 130w max cards, so 3070 can have cooler temps if its a max q design and vice versa for the 3060.
@@kaishajacobye yeah, i ended up taking the 3070 lol
@@hatty101 Yeah, I wouldn't go for a 3080 unless it's a 16GB version of the card (For 4k gaming or content/blender stuff). 3070 8GB and 3080 8GB, 3070 is definitely better.
Legion 5 is so goated it's really frustrating all the local shops that sells Legion 5 are out of stock.
That's how really good the laptop is.
What do you think of legion 5 pro?
@@manojuppala3941 get the pro version just 170$ more and you get better build quality with 1440p 165hz screen
You hear the man, sadly I can't speak about the 5 pro because it wasn't sold here locally so only the 5 is available and reviewed
Anyway, if 1080p is okay with you with 144hz panel, then base 5 is good enough.
A humble request: Could you please include eSports titles in you gaming benchmarks?
I found a used Tuf F15 3070 laptop for £650 so I couldn't say no for that price, I've heard you can change the v bios to get more power from the GPU thus taking away the bottleneck.
Probably not...
Question? Do you install the games each time. Or do you just move hard drive into each device
He is moving ssds for sure
Who the hell is gonna is gonna bother installing the same games in every laptop he gets
I'm pretty sure he makes a new steam account and pays for every game for each individual laptop
@@squishypeanut42 with a new bank account every single time aswell
@@thewinner4x873 from a different city too
I copy them all from my NAS and run them off of the drive installed on the laptop.
Price to Performance. Its pretty crazy to get a 3070 over a 3060..
Is this a good setup for Call of Duty Warzone:
Intel Core i7 11th Gen 11800H 2.3GHz Processor; NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB GDDR6; 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM; 1TB Solid State Drive; Microsoft Windows 11 Home; 2x2 802.11ax Wireless+Bluetooth 5.1; 16.0" WQXGA IPS Anti-Glare 165Hz Display with Dolby Vision
So basically, in games that don't use a stupid amount of Vram there's like a 10% difference. Personalyl I'm good with a 3060 and money to buy a bigger SSD and x8 Ram if needed.
Factss
I had to get the one with 3070 I needed that 8 gigs of V Ram for Starfield On minimum specs
amazing vid Jarrod keep up the good work :)
Thanks!
@@JarrodsTech Anytime man
I love this channel. Very detail and great video. The best laptop buyer guide
Thanks for your videos. I just picked up a Legion 5 3060 (based off your reviews) at MicroCenter who had a really good deal
and couldn't be happier. Going to use your upgrade videos and switch out the 60whr battery to the 80 whr battery
and throw in another 1 TB NVME. I don't see much improvement to jump from 16 gb ram to 32 but maybe in the future.
Any recomendations eeking out as much battery for office task like browsing, emails, watching school videos? I know the 80whr battery will help
but trying to eek out atleast 4-5 hrs on battery. Thanks again!
How's the build quality so far? Specifically the hinge? If it's ok to ask
I came here from venom tech
Hey
@@JarrodsTech hello jarrod bhaya do you play rogue company?
great videos. Thanks. But can you please include Dota 2. I know it's not graphic heavy, but it's interesting to see other than first/third person games. Plus it has lots of effects that may stress the GPU.
He used to test dota 2 I dunno why he stopped. :/
This was a good video as it compares just the difference in video. A nice addition is if you can compare the heat and sound difference when the games are being played.
Jarrod: sometimes, 6GB of vram are not enough.
Me: cries in 3GB
drowning in 2GB
The rtx 3070 is only viable when its priced close to rtx 3060 options (within $200 or so, no more) since the extra vram is quite helpful. And the extra performance is nice.
The 3060's higher wattage versions (closer to $1500) surprisingly don't seem like great options.
two years later and 6GB Vram isn't enough for games like Alan Wake or Forza Motorsport 2023
In many titles where you’re only getting 60-80 frames, the percentage difference quite often equals single digit FPS 🤪
Indeed, generally I try to mention that where it's the case, but it happens too regularly for me to repeat it for each instance
Thank tou so much for this. Right when I needed it! Personally, do you think the few FPS more on the 3070 is worth the difference in price compared to the 3060?
Please do comparison with desktop RTX 2060 vs laptop RTX 3060
Sounds a bit niche, let's do 3070 laptop vs desktop first and see!
You have this test...
@@JarrodsTech I've also been really curious about this. If a full-wattage laptop 3060 comes close or even surpasses the last gen PC equivalent it'd be a monumental feat.
I think the better performance of 3070 at 1440p is the clincher here for me, as I have multiple 1440p monitors for work and play.
Would you recommend the Aftershock Vapor 15x 2560x1440p RTX3070 laptop?Both for gaming and streaming.
For the price I got my 3060, I have no complaints whatsoever.
same fam
Yes, especially for the 140w tgp rtx 3070. Nearly as fast as the 3080, even beats the lower tdp ones. Price/ value ratio is one of the best. The msi gp76 is one of the best imo.
Just bought a legion 5, been so happy and satisfied with it, cant afford an extra 300 bucks for a few more fps
thank you so much for this comparison are huge helpful for people like me ;)