Here's my beef with TH-camrs that keep bitching about VRAM. You aren't the one who has to sell the product. Adding more VRAM makes a product more expensive, and it's more than just adding the cost of the extra chips. You should CERTAINLY know that space in a laptop is at a premium. Adding more chips means more real estate is needed on a PCB, more runs are needed in the PCB, more power is needed, so better power support and I'm sure I'll miss issues. The ONE thing for sure is if TH-camrs affect purchasing of less costly laptops regardless of sales of more expensive models, these companies will stop making less expensive laptops and TH-camrs are directly responsible then for starting to price consumers out of that lower end market. I'll take this to both AMD and Nvidia who BOTH chose to make low end GPUs for desktop with 8GB VRAM. You don't think they understand their market? You don't think they understand what the performance is of their products? They're not making a 4060 or 7600 for 4K or even 2K gaming. If a person CHOOSES to TRY to mess with settings so much that they can use a low end GPU for 2K gaming, OK???? But that's not AMD's or Nvidia's concern. Their concern is they can sell a low end product into a low end market, and just because there will be a small handful of games where you have to adjust graphics settings down to play them with a GPU with 8GB VRAM, it doesn't make the product BAD. It only means there's a handful of games where you have to adjust graphics settings. If I can buy a BRAND NEW 7600 that released at $60 USD less than a 6600 did, that's a pretty good thing IMO and with the 7600 being about 30% faster than the 6600 which is a pretty typical gen on gen uplift at the lower tier, I'm happy. With AMD in particular I know at some point that 7600 will drop in price and it will be a FANTASTIC buy at something like $230 - $240, and it only has to drop about $30 - $40 USD to be in that range. I ALSO know that AMD will improve their drivers over time and I'm going to get another 5 - 10% performance out of that product. In fact this is much better than RDNA 2 was at launch for price/perf and I don't care about how AMD puts an older gen product on sale because NO COMPANY can price a new product like a discounted old product and continue to exist, or they can never discount products because that's a slow move to a product that has such a low price the company can't make it and make money. Try following the math on that one. Start at a product that's $300 USD. Put a 25% discount on it. Make a new gen, price that new product the same as the DISCOUNTED old gen it's replacing. It's now $225 USD as a new product. When it's about to be replaced with a new gen, put it on discount for 25% off. NOW release a new gen and price it at the discounted price of the old gen. How much is it now? It's about $170 USD. Yeah I think that's about the time you go bankrupt. It only took 2, maybe 3 generations to bankrupt yourself using a 25% discount on a product that's about to be replaced with a new gen and saying the new gen should be priced like a discounted product. I like most of your content, I wish you'd stay out of the bitching game that Steve from HDWU, Steve from GN and a handful of other people get into which is often sensationalism and nothing else. It's low brow, appealing to the people who like to bitch about whatever, and it puts me off because it's SO subjective that I can't say the information has any value to it. And beating up on these companies only ensures their products will cost more over time because they'll over design them so the main TH-cam channels have nothing to BITCH about.
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This is why I like what Framework is doing. You can go from 11th gen to 13th gen, and even reuse the 11th gen module for something else with a seperate housing they provide that connects IO to the MB. And swap GPU's well in their upcoming laptop. Way of the future!
@@amizan8653 Framework team said that the Framework 16 fans are in the detachable module. So if it gets clogged with dust, you don't have to disassemble the whole laptop. Just take out the fan module and clean it Also the detachable fan modules could make you easier to clean the dust from heatsink fins without disassembling the laptop as well
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For Lenovo as an example, the 4070 legion pro 5 came in under 1500, but the legion pro 7i with 13900hx and 4080 is running about 2600 pre tax after coupons in the US. That’s 1200 buck difference for that jump in performance, personally I’m okay with dialing some textures down to save that kind of money.
4:15 With Pascal and Turing, the full-powered versions of those GPUs were very close to the desktop models, which is why Nvidia removed the M designation from the laptop GPUs. But Ampere threw that out the window, and Nvidia only required laptop OEMs to add the GPU power limit because consumers complained (and it could have been lawsuit worthy because of misleading advertising). Nvidia should still add the M designation back to laptop GPUs...
Yet still most laptop OEMs don't add TGP information... some do and do it very transparently but others couldn't be bothered to do it, the market should penalize them
@@GaroSlayer Technically, that means they are violating Nvidia's OEM requirements. If Nvidia had any integrity left, they'd put pressure on them. But we all know what it's about... $$$$$
Being able to move a PC from bedroom to family room is another major benefit of laptop. If you get a quality laptop they make almost no noise if your good at tunning. Just need to be able to set the fan RPM lower then 3000.
Steam Deck is better for that, not to mention Steam game streaming is really good and still, this setup would cost you less than most 4060 laptops and you could still afford RX 6800 or a 3060 Ti
This! I don't have to be on the move all the time to benefit from laptop gaming, sometimes I just want to change what room I'm playing in. Also, you never know when you'll be invited to a LAN party. Gotta be ready to pick up and go for that! 🤣
Wow, could you imagine, question in the title answered in the first, not click bait leading to the end of the video to keep attention span as usually youtubers does! Because its Jarrod and HU! I love q&as from this channel!
I bought a gaming laptop for when a spend a few weeks regularly outside my home elsewhere. Usually, you know upfront that you are not going to have desktop performance, even if the GPU model number matches the one in your PC. It is also quite pricey compared to the desktop experience. But on the other hand, with modern laptops you are much more efficient, and it's amazing what you can pack into 15 inches and less. Some games, that don't rely on high FPS, can actually run for a 1.5 - 2 hrs easily on battery. Nowadays, I am also using it to do remote work. But overall, I think, buying a laptop as your only gaming computer is only really making sense if you are constantly on the move or don't have much space at home.
@@schizofennec I ran Stranded Alien Dawn with reduced FPS on my 1440p laptop for 1,5 hrs recently. You really have to tone down a lot of settings that are known to eat up battery. But overall, even if it is not ideal, it is in some cases possible. I reckon games like ONI could even run a lot longer.
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What's unfortunate is some of these VRAM issues are just due to terribly optimized games like The Last of Us. It's a nice-looking game for sure, but no way should it be performing so crap on high end hardware. Take that in comparison to the Doom games from a company like ID software, who has had amazingly well optimized games ever since they existed in the early 90s. Doom Eternal on a GTX 1660TI laptop gets above 60 FPS at the highest settings at 1440P or a even a 1060 laptop that's good for over 60 FPS max settings at 1080p.
It's not the only game. Hogwarts Legacy has textures popping in and out becuase there just isn't enough vRAM on 8 GB GPUs with ray-tracing enabled. Two other games, A Plague Tale Requiem and The Callisto Protocol, both have massive stuttering with those 8 GB of vRAM GPUs. It's such a PITA that Nvidia did this, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the 10 Gb RTX 3080 is next.
Laptops definitely have a place. Used have a gaming rig, however since I got kids now just don’t have the space for it anymore so I’m my case a laptop is perfect. The performance levels aren’t the same (technically), but honestly as someone who has had top of the line Laptops Alienware and Razer and top of the end gaming rigs, once you start playing the games you really can’t notice the difference. After the initial ten minutes you just get used to it. For example I’ve played Mass Effect, Witcher 3 and Skyrim consistently over the last decade on nearly every platform imaginable (PC laptop, PC Desktop, PS3, Xbox 360, PS5 and Series x). But Because the games are good, and performance is decent on every platform I haven’t noticed a difference. Currently have a Blade 16 4080, and PS5 and Steam Deck. Play whenever I get the chance on whatever is easiest at the time and outside of what spot in the house I’m playing it really makes no difference to me.
Honestly, perfectly said. As long as a game isn't dipping below 60 fps (and honestly even 30 fps can be fine, especially with a smaller screen), the experience really isn't going to be crushed by that much. Most games look totally fine on lower settings, and certainly most modern day consoles/cheap(er) PCs are never going to bring you below even 60 fps with high/maxed out settings. Perhaps it's an age thing, I'm unsure. I grew up when games like FF7 were considered pioneers for graphical capabilities.
And another big use case is among university students. I need my laptop to do my coursework in data science, I can run some CPU heavy analysis in class, take it back to my apartment, plug it in an external monitor, do any programming on a much wider UW screen and game for whatever little time I can squeeze out, then pop it out again in the morning and take it to class. I don't want to spend $2500 dollar on a desktop and another $1500 on a laptop that is powerful enough for course requirements, when I can just spent like $2300 on a laptop get a i9+4080 that can handle anything related to coursework or my gaming requirements for the next 2-3 years. Obviosuly later when I don't have to carry a computer on weekdays, I'll build a desktop but there are certainly many use cases for a powerful laptop and their buyers are not dumb because I cant lug my PC tower and UW monitor everyday to class.
Yeah agree with everything you guys are saying, where at the point no where you don’t have to sacrifice performance for convenience, been gaming since I was a kid in the 90s and honestly there has never been a better time to be a gamer, just because their are so much good options. Also the kind of improvements we are seeing in form and factor you might not even need a desktop in 3/4 years time. @yangbalanceyin 😂 yep me to, remember people used to go on about how great the FMVs in the game was and then how blown away everyone was a year later when FFVIII released and it had that fight scene at the beginning of the game. Tbf it was some ground breaking stuff at the time 😂
21:17 gaming on a laptop without it being plugged in is unusual. But there are many occasions in which you can plug in but you're not home. I agree that this is mostly a niche issue, in so much as most people do not travel for most of their life or most of the year. Even there there are occasions, where you might benefit from a very small factor system and carry as part of your luggage the monitor. For the most part, people who live in situations like dorms, or go to coffee shops or libraries, are the only other people that I can think of truly would benefit from a laptop that's for gaming. But that's not a niche portion of the market, a lot of students need to have that portability. But the portability is not about gaming on battery, it's about being able to take your whole device in your backpack
Last Gen I was hearing go with the 3070 instead of the 3080 because there isn't much performance difference. I needed the vram and Cuda cores for video editing so I went with it anyway and now I'm glad I did.
It's still holding up very well. It is a laptop purches by my work for remote work. I was able to finish some projects that the 1080ti in my desktop at work were struggling with precisely because I was running out of vram. I was using it for editing for about 2 years because our new edit suite project kept getting delayed until this year when I built a 4090 rig. So now I don't edit on it unless I am working remotely, but it still holds up for sure. And for gaming it definitely holds up fine.
If you are concerned about VRAM but on a budget get a laptop with the 6850 XT. 12GB VRAM and around the performance of a 3080 mobile. Alienware M17 is on sale for 1,250 USD right now. if u wanna increase from 16 GB RAM or the 500GB SSD each upgrade cost an extra 50 dollars. I would recommend the 1TB SSD and 16 GB RAM for 1,300 USD. There is also the desktop replacement from Origin with a 3080 TI 16GB and 11700K for 1,300 USD right now. Both are 17 inch laptops.
For me, the worst RTX 40 series GPU for laptops is the 4070. It's voltage limited, performs much worse than the 4080 & 4090, doesn't perform much better than the 3070 Ti, and has the same exact 8 GB of vRAM as the 4060. IMO, either go for the 4080 or save some money and go for the 4060.
Thanks for your thoughts. The price difference of 4060 to 4070 is huge. But as i observed it only gives 10 to 20 fps compare to 4060. Is the ryzen 7 7745hx 4060 a good option? thank you
@@kanbei0412 yeah it should be viable for a time. 4xxx series is just 4060 or 4080/4090. 3070 ti is really good too and goes on sale very frequently. Check the laptop deals on the description
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That latency bit it the end was gold. I'm actually considering a Rog Ally / XG Radeon setup to replace my desktop. Now I will have to do some thorough testing before making the switch. New video idea Jarrod??
The use case I see (and experience personally) for gaming laptops are two fold: - Being able to game outside of my office. When I need to watch the kiddo but also want to play PC games. - Traveling. I spend a good amount of time abroad, and wind up wanting to kill some time in a hotel room. Being able to play games in that situation is invaluable. I am also in the fortunate position of being able to work from my own personal laptop, so I am able to bring my own personal machine around and use it in both a work and personal setting. If I couldn't do that, I'd have a desktop at home and instead opt for something like an ROG Ally or Legion Go for the road.
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I think vram should not have been an issue, its how the game was optimized. 10 or 15 years ago programmer was more creative with how the program (optimized the games) most especially game developers back in the days of extremely limited RAM. Game developers and programers are getting lazy opting out to approach the problem with brute force (high vram / ram) rather than usung creative programming.
Because the 16gb of Ram in modern consoles make their jobs easier. The less work less cost, the less cost the more profit. Also forces a huge numbe of people to buy more GPUs or new Laptops. Everybody wins... except the consumer..
Great video as always but while I know games are becoming more demanding, to say 8GB of vram is entry level just isn't true, (maybe at 1440p but at 1080p its not) if anything it's mid, entry is like 4GB -6GB (a 3050/4050 - 3060/4060) while a 3060ti/4060ti to 3070ti/4070ti is midrange, 4080 and 4090 are high end likes it always been. It wasn't until this year where we saw AAA games needing more than 8GB to run smoothly and those were mainly do to bad ports/optimization which were adjusted in later fixes. for example there was no reason Last of Us remastered can run smoothly on a ps5 and not a 3060 ti or higher (which is equivalent in performance only difference is the Vram size but the PS5 uses its system ram as vram and is shared with it CPU/APU hence the higher limit which should translate to a PC with it own dedicated RAM and Vram for resources)
I bought my first gaming laptop in 2020 and at the time it was a fairly decent spec (i7 10750h and RTX 2070 Max-Q) and it was absolutely great for high refresh 1080p gaming even up until now. So that's about 3 years. Bare in mind when I bought it 30 series was only a few months away so if I had waited a bit longer then I could expect an extra year and a half out of it. I found I mainly used it docked ar a desk with keyboard, mouse and monitor and only really occasionally used it for gaming in my campervan. I decided this year to build a whole new desktop and its been incredible, sure im giving up the portability but the gaming experience has been incredible as I've gone up a resolution to 1440p fully ray traced HDR gaming but it's still nice to have the laptop as a backup and portable machine. In an ideal world a reasonable Dell XPS style system would make more sense due to decent battery life and work ergonomics whilst also being able to game a bit on the side
My houshold all use the one desktop, I just bought the Lenovo LOQ on special, not dissapointed, its decent, quiet and built well with the most current specs.
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It's a weird year for those looking for both, imo the best way to know if you should be looking at a glaptop is if you can make it tax deductible (if you're just running a very small self employed thing)
I got rtx 3060 6gb vram lap and now only realised it's not enough to run the upcoming games in high settings. The last of us in medium settings take above 7gb vram and crashes sometime. I recommend equal or more vram than 8gb guys.
@@pranavdupati9164 am playing on 1440p and u saying 6.3 vram but it just make use of extra system memory. max usage of vram just hitting performance bad.
Great points. Another I'd add is that is that it depends on how often you play games on day one. Many games released across the last two years or so have been half baked in terms of optimisation eg Hogwarts Legacy and Last of Us Part 1. Many titles now benefit from patches that reduce vram use AND boost the visual quality of textures across configurations (particularly medium.and low). All that to say, best not to gauge vram being the limitation based on day 1 performance.
Thanks for answering the questions. I know it's quite the head scratcher and a head turner and maybe irrelevant, but a good debate is always fun to listen to then simply saying it's not worth going for x because y is better.
But seriously, what other options above 8gb laptop GPUs are available to laptop users besides 4080 12gb? At least on desktop, you can grab the 6700 xt 12gb. Laptop users are screwed until AMD comes up with 12gb GPUs cheaper than 4080 laptop.
I think the RX6850M XT is worth a look at as well. 12GB VRAM and a lot of deals popping up that make the 6850 equipped laptops similar in price to 3070 models. Not as sure about the 6700M with 10gb but I'm sure it'd be a better option than a 3060 6gb. Edit: On second thought, the 6700M would be a way better choice than the 3060 and to an extent, even a 3070 (given price disparity). Similar to the point you talked about in the video with respect to the 3070 vs 6800, the added VRAM reduces any headaches you'd have with textures and other graphical settings significantly.
Yeah sometimes I forget about that one because it's in like 2 laptops, though at a couple of years old now and without DLSS/frame generation you could argue it's a compromise in order to get the VRAM.
@@JarrodsTech He was comparing with 30-series nVidia so no Frame generation anyway. FSR is less common than DLSS but in those games it's at least comparable to DLSS with no FG.
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I haven't watched your video yet, so I'm sorry if you mentioned it, but I can say that the most important use of high vram is AI, especially for language models, 16gb is not enough and it's really frustrating that we are limited to 16gb on laptops.
What would be enough like 24 or 48 does it really help with performance alot my laptop is an asus rog zephyrus m15 should I upgrade memory to 24 gb or more is it worth it
What about the 6850m xt gpu? I feel like thats an excellent option for laptop budget wise and you get 12gb vram. Paired with the 6900hx cpu its a beast for games.
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At this point 16GB needs to be the standard to match PS5 and Series X. I have a RTX 4070 and I can only run Ratchet and Clank at medium smoothly because of VRAM limitations. Sad
After doing more research, happy to report you and HUB are perfectly right with the eGPU/TB problem, with users having really fickle experiences, so thanks for that warning
So far I'm doing fine with a 6GB 3060 on my laptop @ 1440p. People tend to overstate VRAM needs by benchmarking at ultra and playing the absolute worst ports before they're patched.
I can't play hogwarts legacy on just High settings on my Dell rtx 3060 laptop without micro stuttering & Lagging on 1080p fullHd while I can comfortably play it on High settings on my desktop rtx3060 12gb one on 1080p full HD, same with resident evil,Last of us aswell, even also on Apex legends I can't play it in 1080p ultra settings on my rtx 3060 laptop because of its limited 6gb vram while I can play it on ultra settings comfortably on my rtx 3060 desktop, in short you are wrong ma%te,
@@tejaswin5404 has it ever occured to you that hogwarts legacy is a poorly optimized video game on PC and that 6gb of vram is completely sufficient to game with on 90% of titles at 1440p, let alone 1080p? The desktop 3060 has 12gb VRAM not because nVidia s generous, but because they made some sort of mistake - hence why the 3070 has 8gb VRAM and not 16....
@@JohnBog I also talked about 3 other games other than hogwarts legacy in my comment, why haven't you mentioned about them in your pathetic response comment? NGreedia's cu%ck🥴
Remember, VRAM at this point of time is more important than frame generation. VRAM is utilized by every single game exists and will be released, frame generation is utilized by very few certain games. Why would I need more fps when I don't have textures? imo I would definitely go for 6900XT over 4070
As one who has lived and breathed gaming laptops forever. I finally built a desktop since I was the always kept laptop docked kind of person and only moved laptop around the house. Now with my desktop I have converted my laptop to a small 14 inch used Thinkpad laptop and have found that remoting into my desktop with steam link or Windows RDP to game and edit video. Now I can have the power of the desktop anywhere in the house with a laptop that can easily give 2 days of power in remote mode since it is precessing basically nothing. It's completely silent and cool. Honestly been much better for me
As a traveling Field Engineering who enjoys gaming, i have a gaming laptop (10750h and 2070maxq), a 24 inch laptop and a mouse and keyboard, when im in my temp apartment I have my setup, and when i fly (about once a month) i can just use the laptop itself while im away from my setup.
Honestly, the prevalence of 8GB VRAM laptops is actually what's stopping me buying a laptop at the moment. I probably only buy a laptop once every 12 years or so (use a Desktop most of the time), so why would I buy one that's on the edge now? Seriously considering something with a 6800M for it's 12 GB vram and budget pricing, though might wait for new Radeon GFX to see what it's like.
Idk just buy a mid range, turn down the graphics, and accept that you might have to buy a laptop every 3-4 years. The games are usually just as fun on medium/medium low.
@@pretzelstick320 I thought about that, and as I buy a laptop so infrequently I'm used to turning settings down to their lowest settings eventually, but I feel the 3-4 year buying cycle is exactly what Nvidia wants us to do (or be up-sold beyond the price/performance sweet spot), and I hate that manipulation tbh. I did end up finding a lappy with a 12GB VRAM GFX card with $1,500 off its release MSRP, as its just becoming last gen now, and can live with that 😊
The 4090 is actually priced at a level that I consider fair. If you can get it at MSRP. The 4080 it's a totally different beast. It is not priced correctly. It is not fair. It is a spit in the face. It should never have been more than 800 maybe maybe 900 if they had upped the memory for it. And don't get me started on the 4070 or the 4060 series... This is because they decided to upsell us what actually were 4070s as 4080's, The 4060 as of 4070, the 4050 is now our 4060s. And they don't even have enough memory at those levels. It's insulting, and the anger I have to these companies especially Nvidia, it's quite honestly frustrating to express. I said this before and I'll say it again I'm a 4090 target market. But I'm not going to buy overpriced pieces for my children or girlfriend. It's simply will not happen. I feel like I was slapped on the face, spat upon, and then told hey we're giving you this for only 500 or $700... If you want something better spend $1,200 after all our money says the company is stuck in your bank account... The arrogance!!!!! And then they play this game with the laptop SKU's!!!!! So instead what I did is I went and bought some series X's and s's, the S's travel better, and here we are. Nvidia has lost customer's fu at least one generation of the graphics cards, and honestly since I'm the main purchaser in my family, they've lost at least two full generations, because if I can do it with AMD why do I need to be insulted and treated like some cash cow that they need to milk every 18 months
@24:46, I am personally thinking about moving away from d4skop pc's and INTO laptops.. i know its usually the other way around. I've been building pc's for a long time, currenlty have a r9 5900hx + rtx 3080 + 64gb ram desktop pc, that I rarely use. For what I find myself doing most of the time (playing dota, or wathcing youtube) docked laptop works just fine. And i have the added benefit I can pick it up and take it w/ me wherever I go. But yeah on heavy games, the desktop will perform way better.
Hi Jarrod I have a rtx 2060 laptop from 2019 (with 32gb hyperx kit and 3 ssd's that are the fastest in their class), and didn't have any vram problems in games with ultra settings till now. a week ago I get Hogwarts legacy just for testing my laptop. frames was OK (between 60-110) at first with ultra settings preset and dlss on quality. but when I turned on ray tracing, fps dropped to 20 frames ( RAM usage over 20gb, VRAM around 5.4gb) on 1080p TUF external monitor. I think 6 or 8gb vram shouldn't be the problem since a lot of even high end laptops are using 6-8gb graphics card (about 70% of them). I tested AAA titles with my laptop on my channel. I also bought two 3060 asus rog laptops (intel and amd) for my brother and sister, one with 1080p and one 1440p and they dont have vram problems with ultra settings even with 6gb. Game performance is based on your system specs. I mean, a game might use 5gb vram on one card and 7gb on another with same settings. if the game optimized well, it will run without problems and automatically uses necessary amount of memory. a game like Hogwarts legacy is not optimized cause when you turn down settings to medium or high (instead of ultra) it will still use above 5gb again and stutters when going from one place to another. I don't think a person who just wanna play a video game have to spend 3k or 4k for a beast to reach the game requirements, I think it should be the game, that have to optimized well for budget GPUs. why shouldn't the rtx cards be able to use the one thing that they made for, with exclusive cores for that reason? a gtx 1080 with 8gb vram and rtx 2060 with 6gb vram both can't use ray tracing in Hogwarts, one for being gtx and one for less vram. or rtx 3050 with 8gb vram can't use ray tracing either. rtx cards have extra cores for ray tracing but cant use it?! I think games should be more optimized not vram. If an average gamer wanna play these unoptimized games, he/she has no choice to either buy a high end PC or not to buy at all. the recommended requirements system for this game is 11gb gtx 1080 ti, so you have to own a 12-16gb card to just erase the vram problem, so then for 4k res and ultra ray tracing we should go for 4090 or 3090 sli just for 30-60fps. Its all about optimizations, not vram. 6-8gb vram is enough for any games at ultra settings. I also tested a lot of AAA titles with my laptop in my channel. Thank you. p.s. Your laptop reviews are the best. oh and sorry for my bad English. (from iran)
Another part on vram is the steam hardware survey (which imo is pretty representative of pc gamers) where the top 5 popular cards are the: 1650 (4gb vram) 1060 (3-6gb vram) 3060 (12gb vram) 3060m (6gb vram) 2060 (6-12gb vram) These make up around 25% of steam users with around 46.5% for top 13 (14th being the 3080 with 8-16gb) so if game devs will be targeting 16gb vram since the ps5 has 16gb total ram, they'll be leaving out millions of users and blaming it on vram when as you said, it's quite clearly optimisation issues (which we've seen for any ported game that had little effort put into it). I don think nvidia not giving much vram to their latest cards is a good move considering the price but if the games that have vram issues are ps5 ports then is this really a thing that everyone should be scared about and that 8gb vram is useless so they have to buy a 7900 xtx or 4090 to be able to play games? Also i also think 8gb vram is enough for ultra in games (unless you're using path tracing but not many cards can even run that) and spending 3-4k like you said to play these games at all is unreasonable. Maybe when direct storage is finally in games it'll solve the vram issue mostly but that's not for a few years i reckon.
ببینید چند تا نکته هست من راستش تست های شما رو دقیق ندیدم، اما معمولا روی 1080p از DLSS استفاده نمیکنن عموما اما نکته مهم اینجاست که مشکل اصلی کم بودن vram نیست، بلکه مشکل اصلی زمانی هست که مقدار vram، پرفورمنس کارت گرافیک شما رو محدود کنه! درست مثل 3070 دسکتاپ و 3070TI دسکتاپ یه مثالش رو توی همین کانال یوتیوب HUB رو ببین که میاد RTX A4000 رو با 3070 مقایسه میکنه (یک کارت ورک استیشن، با توان مصرفی کم، که زمان عرضه شدنش هم استیو بررسیش کرد و عملکرد گیمینگش در حد 3060TI بود) از نظر مشخصات فنی با 3070TI یکیه (از پردازشگر GA104 با هسته های کامل استفاده میکنه) و تنها فرقشون اینه که A4000 دارای 16gb GDDR6 هست و 3070TI که 8gb GDDR6X هست (و البته اختلاف توان مصرفی و فرکانس کلاک هسته های کودا هم که گفتم) نتیجه توی عناوین جدید AAA قابل تأمله و کاملا نشون میده که قدرت گرافیکی مثل 3070 دسکتاپ (که زمان عرضهش با 2080TI مقایسه شد و همون سطح عملکرد رو میداد با VRAM کمتر و...) به مقدار حافظه گرافیکی خودش محدود شده (چیزی که استیو توی همین ویدئو هم میگه که تقریبا در تاریخ کارت گرافیک ها بی سابقه بوده) این نکته رو ذکر میکنم که 3070 دسکتاپ از نظر قدرت عملکرد کاملا برتر از گرافیک های سری 30 لپتاپی انویدیا هست و مدلی مثل 3070TI لپتاپ، به مقدار vram خودش آنچنان محدود نشده (قدرتش تقریباً هم سطح با 3060TI دسکتاپ هست که اونم همین مقدار و نوع vram رو داره - البته جدیدا نسخه GDDR6X هم ازش عرضه شده) و خب تقریباً روی مرز هستن جفتشون و میشه قبولشون کرد، اما در مورد 3070 دسکتاپ و قوی تر نه با این تفاسیر، طبیعتا گرافیک های 3060 و 2060 که شما بررسی کردید کاملا از این موضوع دور هستن و قدرتشون محدود به مقدار حافظه گرافیکیشون نیست در خصوص 4060TI دسکتاپ هم در حال حاضر بیشتر مشکل اصلی سر قیمتش هست که به نوعی به نسبت مدل نسل قبلی خودش (از نظر اسم حداقل - یعنی 3060TI)، نه پرفورمنس قابل توجه بیشتر ارائه میکنه و نه حافظه گرافیکی بیشتری داره (که بگیم دست کم به این خاطر ارزش اون افزایش قیمت رو داره و حالا برای بعضی استفاده ها یا آینده نگری و... کارکرد داشته باشه - صرفا فقط مصرف کمتری داره و فیچر های جدید سری 40) صحبت از بهینه بودن بازی ها هم داشتید که اتفاقا نکته بسیار درستی هست، اما یه موضوع هم این وسط باعث شده که بازی های انقدر بهینه نباشن، اونم وجود سخت افزار قدرت مند هست که بهش تکیه کنن. یه زمانی مثلا 1080TI شاید واقعا بشه گفت اونقدر اختلاف عملکرد با 1060 6GB نداشت که مثلا الان 4090 با 4060TI اختلاف پیدا کرده یعنی بازی ساز میاد و بنا رو بر وجود اون گرافیک قوی تر میذاره و در این بین گرافیک های میانرده تر نابود میشن و... اما خب بازم گیم هایی هستن که بهینه تولید شده باشن با همین موتور بازی سازی های جدید، مثل همین گیم جدید EA که استیو هم بررسیش کرد داخل کانال خودشون و برای مثال توی دو مدل گرافیک 3070 دسکتاپ و RX 6800 16gb اجراشون کرد، روی گرافیک رادئون با تنظیمات مشابه، فکر کنم حدود 5gb بود یا کمتر دقیق خاطرم نیست، از vram رو برای تکسچر ها استفاده میکرد گیم، اما روی 3070 دقیقا 1gb بود و مقدار مصرف حافظه گرافیکی مدیریت شده بود و خوشبختانه نه بازی دچار وقفه و ایست میشد و فریم دراپ نداشت و نه تفاوت کیفیت بصری گیم چندان قابل تشخیص بود بنابراین واقعا با شما در این مورد هم نظر هستم که بازی ساز باید بهینه گیم تولید کنه، اما در عین حال اختلافی که بین مدل های پرچمدار با میانرده ها هم افتاده واقعا نگران کننده هست، چه بسا میدونیم که کارت های گرافیک استفاده های غیر از گیم هم دارن و برای مثال اون مورد آخری که گفتید که چرا مثلا 3050 نباید بتونه از قابلیت RT خودش توی گیم ها به نحو مطلوبی بهره ببره، حتی برای اون کارت هم قابلیت RT توی نرم افزار های رندر سه بعدی کارکرد داره و مثلا فقط سرعت رندر نهاییش کمتر میشه، نیاز به پردازش آنی رهگیری پرتو برای فریم دهی موقع مدل سازی سه بعدی خب کمتر هست اما برای خروجی نهایی میشه از هسته های RT مجزایی که داره استفاده کرد، و خب به همین ترتیب هم مواردی مثل 4090 با 24gb حافظه گرافیکی کارکرد غیر گیمینگ هم دارن (همونطور که استیو هم داخل ویدیو میگه که همین الان غیر اپتیمایز ترین بازی ها هم به بیش از 16gb vram احتیاج ندارن و اگه 4090 هم فرضا همین مقدار vram رو داشت، بازم توان عملکردش توی گیم ها محدود به حافظه گرافیکی خودش نبود - چه بسا همین الانش هم چنین استفاده ای موقع گیم زدن نداره) اما خب باز به هر دلیلی که هست این گرافیک پرچمدار با این مشخصات تولید میشه و اختلاف عملکرد و تجربه گیمینگی که ارائه میکنه با مدل های میان رده از همون نسل به شدت اختلاف دارن که متاسفانه این موضوع مطلوبی نیستش
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
I think a possible outcome of the price hikes for GPUs might be the death of PC gaming. Why should I pay exorbitant prices if I can get a console that games better in most games, given the state of PC ports? Then there is no gaming market for nVidia at all, if the rumours are true that Nintendo might go with Qualcomm for the next Switch.
I have a G15 5520 with the 3050 4GB VRAM and have upgraded the RAM to 32GB DDR5 and SSD to 512 and I run most modern games relatively well. I do need to use DLSS on all of these games though. Sometimes it makes me want to upgrade to at least a 3070 ti laptop just to have a higher overhead. It would’ve been better to have a 1660 ti in this laptop to max natively on 1080p.
I Love my 1660ti Laptop - but it start to get old - next Upgrade will be 3070ti or Something Like this .. Just wait for the next price drop or refurbed incoming
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
The thing with desktops is that you’re locked to one location in you house. With a desktop if you want to game at a desk fine, but what if you want to be on the sofa alongside your partner? They also consume less power and have less footprint.
At that point just get a steam deck then its easier to hold in your hands and you can do remote play from your desktop in your house and have a lot more playing time compare to a gaming laptop
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization
18:51 IMO is only only only buy a laptop if you have a high need for mobility. I take my laptop out of my house 2x a week for 12hr periods, so for my use case needs I could justify the premium for laptop portability. PC will always offer the best value for performance.
I fully agree that modern games are becoming very badly optimized. I don't expect my 3060 mobile to run all modern games at max settings with 60+ fps. but atleast the games should be well optimized so that we can enjoy the games even at medium to high settings. also about the VRAM thing he mentioned...feels like the company is scamming us and forcing people to buy cards with more VRAM than 6gb for their own greed.
and that is also my opinion it is all about very bad stupid optimization cuz I dont see amassive graphics improved in visuals compares to massive need to vram
Gaming laptop owners, if you want to play modern games with the highest quality settings, buy a console! Game developers & console owners are telling you to grow up!!!
@@tringuyen7519 I have already said that I do not wish or expect that every games will run at max settings in XYZ laptop. What is needed is a decent amount of optimization. I can manage in medium settings, without using ray tracing or high graphic demanding options. just the games should atleast run well so that we can enjoy.that's my opinion.
@@sagnikpattanayak1713I absolutely agree with you. I also have RTX 3060 Mobile with i5 11400h. Bad optimization games (Eg. The Last Of Us) are never reached 60 fps even on low to medium setting. Developers should optimize their games.
@@cmh-32 high 5 friend :D at the end of the day, every gamer should get to enjoy the games that we all love. the developers and especially the companies are forgetting that day by day.
i have a different perspective in regards to the laptop vs pc debate -- i just got the lenovo legion pro 7i gen 8 4080. i did this cause the last upgrade i had was when i built my pc, its a ryzen 5 3600 and rx 5700 so the laptop is a massive jump up in production and gaming capabilities. my idea is that i'll use this laptop for 3-4 years and then build another pc. if the generational gains are exponential enough, why not switch back and forth? i like being able to work and game while sitting in the same room with my family and i can't do that with a pc. i also like being able to go anywhere, anytime and i can't do that without a laptop.
Anyone have any thoughts about 6700M (10GB) vs a 4060(8GB)? The 6700M is a Legion 7 with an R7 6800H and the 4060 is a Helios Neo 16 with an i7 13700HX. Both with 16GB of RAM and 1TB SSD Curious if anyone has any experience with either cards or laptops, their pros and cons etc.
For 1440p Laptop Gaming there are 16gb 3080 Laptops out there. Cheaper than 3080ti16gb but more expensive than 3070 8gb. I wanted an Asus Laptop with 3080 16 gb but some of them had 4k which is to momuch xD
I bought last year a Dell G15 with a full powered 3060 for about 750 euros. I felt at the time that it was a too good of an offer to pass up but it's kind of a bummer now that VRAM is becoming such an issue I didn't expect to happen so quickly. Now I'm thinking of buying a used GPU with 16gb of VRAM and use it via the thunderbolt 3 connection.
@King Freak Is it just me? Or has Corporate greed gotten stronger lately? I mean, Corporate greed was always here in the very beginning right?? But for some reason, their greed is getting into dangerous lvls lately.
from 1 mistake to another, the thunderbolt 3 is gonna bottleneck that egpu so damn heavily that I'm willing to bet half of my remaining life span that it's gonna give you the same amount of fps and stuttering as that rtx 3060 mobile, if not worse, because it's gonna run out of of gpu processing power(transferred processed power from the dgpu to laptop) due to heavily choked down and BDSM-ed connection bandwidth. even thunderbolt 4 chokes the connection between the 2. Jarrod literally said it himself in the video, even assuming u did a typo and it was actually a thunderbolt 4 the result is gonna be just the same( i know there are ryzen and intel model of g15). a gpu with 16g or more is probably a high end or upper midrange at least and it needs a lot of connection bandwidth to perform the way it should without leaving any performance on the table. something thunderbolt 3-4 or usb 4 can't provide.
For that price it was a pretty good deal especially if you bought it last year! Having to lower the textures to medium is not that big of a deal at this price range. You can be happy with what you got!
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@@KingFreak-jd8qm I've bought recently an Asus ROG Strix G15 with rtx 3060 6gb 140w with Ryzen 7 6800h and 16 gb of ram and a FHD 1080p 300hz screen, for 1080p gaming it feels like a beast, I'm sure I can run games between high to ultra at 1080p for the next 3-4 years and DLSS has come a long way will still improve. I used to have an Asus Tuf with 1050 4gb and I played Elden Ring with steady 30fps at low/med setting and I fully enjoyed my time playing it there is this new trend that gaming on pc should be at 60fps at 1440p minimum and playing with RT at 4k is the norm this is absolutely bullshit, it's standards set by those with high end rig and think they are superior and I blame the gaming industry for feeding their egos
It's a big disapointment that the 4060, 4070 laptops throttles avove 90W even if the laptops are designed to take much more wattage ... This and the low amount of VRAM makes one think again and again before buying , or just maybe not buying ...
Snagged a lappy with 3060 6gb Jan '23 for 1450$ CDN (roughly 1075$ USD). For my use case, was a perfect value price. Play a lot of older games, don't mind dropping some settings for newer ones, haven't found any game unplayable yet. Really depends on your price points but aye, fully agree, if you're paying premium price make SURE you're getting good value VRAM for the cost. Would hate overpaying and having lacking performance (and it's so easy to get gouged on laptops). ~a random canadian subscriber
We have the tech to make a modular laptop that we can swap out parts and upgrade them, but they won’t cause they are deliberately hindering laptops on purpose..
Question re laptop vs dekstop: Main difference is you can more easily transport laptops. Desktop will always have better performance with the similarly named parts. BUT, building a 4090 desktop with 4TB of SSD, buying a 4K monitor, 64Gb DDR5 ram, and a 13900K will cost as much or more than a GT77 which has it all in one. You'll get 35% better average FPS in games, some will be more. So let's look at it this way. It will still cost near as much to build a desktop 4080 which will have similar gaming performance to a good 4090 laptop. The desktop will likely be quieter but they can be horrendously noisy under load too. It will also likely make the GT77 look tiny. So that's the thing that might matter. I love having a laptop on my overbed table in my room. Then I can take 10 steps and move the laptop to my studio room when I want to make music. Even though I COULD set up one of those overbed tables with desktop stands in my room, it would be a pain to move the desktop to the studio room, there is no room to roll the table and do it that way. Also think of it this way: Just last year you could buy a 3090 ti desktop and 12900K etc and pay the same price or more than a GT77 today. Remember I am including TWO 2tb SSD and 64GB DDR5. Right now that laptop is 7.1K in Australia, and includes Win 11 Pro. 13980HX which thrashes a 12900K also. I priced desktops last year with 3080ti, 64Gb ram, 4TB SSD and they were 6 grand in Australia, without a screen or proper gaming mouse and KB combo. About 7K all up. for a 3080 ti. Custom build, top cooling, etc. The GT77 with 4090 will outperform that in CPU and be neck and neck with all gaming FPS, not to mention DLSS3. It will THRASH a 3080 from last year though. And it's portable. If it's too bulky, get the GE78HX which is just as fast in every way. Just an IPS 300 nit 1600P screen instead of 4K mini LED screen. Still 2x2TB SSD and 32GB ram standard. If you need G-Sync and can live without F key lighting or any windows hello functionality, Asus is your answer in 2023. The only time you really lose with a laptop, the way I see it, is when you want a desktop 4090, which you can't get. That's basically it. But desktop processors are hitting 100c also with good cooling, are loud, and the main advantage is the GPU in 2023. Do you really think desktop GPU are quiet under 100% load? I promise they are not. And you know what? I cap many games at 60 FPS and my laptop therefore doesn't strain either GPU or CPU and it becomes silent. My legion 7i is also very portable, which is why I will always keep it even when I get my 4090 replacement within the next couple weeks (just deciding which laptop). Facts. Do you really think you can't play ANYTHING on a laptop 4090? Especially those using 1600P screens. You won't even need DLSS in any current game at that resolution with a laptop 4090. At 4K many 2 year old games will run native 60+, and modern games ultra settings/4K/DLSS quality are possible. You can play anything and have it look gorgeous. 22000 TimeSpy on GT77 should tell you. Heck, my laptop is 10,500 time spy (legion 3070 2021) and I can play anything at high settings/60 FPS if I use DLSS quality or balanced at the lowest (1600P). You only need a desktop if you want minimum 60 FPS at every game at 4K at native. That's it. If you can live with DLSS on some games, or 1440P or 1600OP native (depending on the laptop you buy aspect ratio), you can play anything for years to come without DLSS at all. Why don't we just say it how it is. the main difference is you can get to that 99th percentile of extreme performance with a desktop. The question is, do you care. I don't. Desktops are always better for audio professionals though, due to usually having much lower DPC latency. That's a different matter entirely.......
I have a 3060 6GB and I can tell you apart from CPU bottleneck, low VRAM also does hurt too. You need at least 8GB VRAM for absolute bare minimum at 1080p to run most games. Of course for all games you need 10 or 12GB. 😢
God dude,I've been playing RE4R and it's just so weird,I have a 10870h and a 3060 and running that game is so stupid,I'm always messing around trying to find a good balance between resolution and textures :') I've switch to interlaced at 1440p,for me the loss in fidelity is worth it for the *much* improved performance, especially considering there is no native DLSS and my attempts at moding it into the game have only led to crashes. Haaaaa
VRAM + pricing is the exact reason that I got a G15 AE for $1000. 12GB of VRAM, and comparable performance to a 4070 outside of RT? No brainer. It was so much cheaper that I could justify swapping my 7900XTX to a 4090 too...
depends on your use case. was sold on getting a laptop with an AMD gpu until i remembered CUDA cores and RT performance, both of which are crazy useful for 3d modeling and animation, cad programs, and MATLAB, which i'm an aerospace engineering student so those are things i will be using during my time at university. AMD really does give best bang for the buck but unfortunately NVIDIA just has a massive edge in certain spaces, so for use cases like mine i got a 4070 laptop which i know isn't a great deal but i wanted as fast as possible without the huge price jump from 4070 to 4080. 8gb vram is enough for me as i'm coming from 6 and i'm not trying to play AAA games on max settings, mostly just play games like apex legends and minecraft. but if you don't have specific needs for CUDA cores, absolutely you should go for AMD. everyone has to consider their own situation very carefully because there are cases where someone might buy an AMD gpu because it seems like a no-brainer and then realize they really should've gone for NVIDIA.
@@jazzylev even im an aerospace eng student aswell n i ordered a 4070. guess i made the right decision but so far i dont have any 3d modelling as im in my 1st sem.
@@hemendraravi4787 yeah you’re gonna be using MATLAB etc when you get to later years. but i would assume you don’t need it for first year as i don’t think i need it this year (my first year) either
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization?
With the max desktop GPU having 16gb of ram, equivalent to some 500$ cards, I can't wait to see how much the 4k$ razer blades keep up in 4k in a few years...
Sir pls reply🙏🏻 which should I buy hp victus Intel i5 12th gen(12450h) gtx1650 or ryzen 5 5600h rtx3050 11th gen? Basically I do office work and play games AAA games like GTA5? Which is better for long term usage more than 5 years (Intel or ryzen)?😨
I'm just mad that I can't even find a 3080 laptop right now. This would have been an acceptable "Middle of the Road" Decent performance + Respectable vram.
Just download more VRAM
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2022 and before : how to download RAM ?
2023 : how to downlaod VRAM ?
Here's my beef with TH-camrs that keep bitching about VRAM.
You aren't the one who has to sell the product. Adding more VRAM makes a product more expensive, and it's more than just adding the cost of the extra chips. You should CERTAINLY know that space in a laptop is at a premium. Adding more chips means more real estate is needed on a PCB, more runs are needed in the PCB, more power is needed, so better power support and I'm sure I'll miss issues.
The ONE thing for sure is if TH-camrs affect purchasing of less costly laptops regardless of sales of more expensive models, these companies will stop making less expensive laptops and TH-camrs are directly responsible then for starting to price consumers out of that lower end market.
I'll take this to both AMD and Nvidia who BOTH chose to make low end GPUs for desktop with 8GB VRAM. You don't think they understand their market? You don't think they understand what the performance is of their products? They're not making a 4060 or 7600 for 4K or even 2K gaming. If a person CHOOSES to TRY to mess with settings so much that they can use a low end GPU for 2K gaming, OK???? But that's not AMD's or Nvidia's concern. Their concern is they can sell a low end product into a low end market, and just because there will be a small handful of games where you have to adjust graphics settings down to play them with a GPU with 8GB VRAM, it doesn't make the product BAD. It only means there's a handful of games where you have to adjust graphics settings. If I can buy a BRAND NEW 7600 that released at $60 USD less than a 6600 did, that's a pretty good thing IMO and with the 7600 being about 30% faster than the 6600 which is a pretty typical gen on gen uplift at the lower tier, I'm happy. With AMD in particular I know at some point that 7600 will drop in price and it will be a FANTASTIC buy at something like $230 - $240, and it only has to drop about $30 - $40 USD to be in that range. I ALSO know that AMD will improve their drivers over time and I'm going to get another 5 - 10% performance out of that product. In fact this is much better than RDNA 2 was at launch for price/perf and I don't care about how AMD puts an older gen product on sale because NO COMPANY can price a new product like a discounted old product and continue to exist, or they can never discount products because that's a slow move to a product that has such a low price the company can't make it and make money.
Try following the math on that one. Start at a product that's $300 USD. Put a 25% discount on it. Make a new gen, price that new product the same as the DISCOUNTED old gen it's replacing. It's now $225 USD as a new product. When it's about to be replaced with a new gen, put it on discount for 25% off. NOW release a new gen and price it at the discounted price of the old gen. How much is it now? It's about $170 USD. Yeah I think that's about the time you go bankrupt. It only took 2, maybe 3 generations to bankrupt yourself using a 25% discount on a product that's about to be replaced with a new gen and saying the new gen should be priced like a discounted product.
I like most of your content, I wish you'd stay out of the bitching game that Steve from HDWU, Steve from GN and a handful of other people get into which is often sensationalism and nothing else. It's low brow, appealing to the people who like to bitch about whatever, and it puts me off because it's SO subjective that I can't say the information has any value to it. And beating up on these companies only ensures their products will cost more over time because they'll over design them so the main TH-cam channels have nothing to BITCH about.
Link please. 😂
Tim got a new hairstyle? Interesting!
What are you talking about? He looks exactly the same as always. I see nothing unusual or out of place here whatsoever.
Tim got tanned a bit from all those new monitors lol
He grew a few inches as well it seems
He got a plastic surgery
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This is why I like what Framework is doing. You can go from 11th gen to 13th gen, and even reuse the 11th gen module for something else with a seperate housing they provide that connects IO to the MB. And swap GPU's well in their upcoming laptop. Way of the future!
Really? If they do that, they have me as a customer.
I'm also watching out for the Framework 16. There really is too much waste in the gaming industry
How are their cooling systems?
@@amizan8653 Framework team said that the Framework 16 fans are in the detachable module. So if it gets clogged with dust, you don't have to disassemble the whole laptop. Just take out the fan module and clean it
Also the detachable fan modules could make you easier to clean the dust from heatsink fins without disassembling the laptop as well
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For Lenovo as an example, the 4070 legion pro 5 came in under 1500, but the legion pro 7i with 13900hx and 4080 is running about 2600 pre tax after coupons in the US. That’s 1200 buck difference for that jump in performance, personally I’m okay with dialing some textures down to save that kind of money.
neither looks like a good choice
@@GewelReal no better ideas then.
@@GewelReal true, sometimes there's just no good way to go about it and you have to make do with the options you have
@@sosukelele just don't game. You won't die if you won't lol
The price difference is not only for performance.
The 24GB of VRAM alone in the 4090 is basically makes it worthwhile. If they made a 4070 class card with like 16GB of VRAM it'd slay.
I couldn't agree more.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf 1 in a 10 devs*
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf ok
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf Ok 👍 no need to be so bitter though.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf Ok, no need to be so bitter though.
More collaborations like this, please. Very enjoyable and informative.
4:15 With Pascal and Turing, the full-powered versions of those GPUs were very close to the desktop models, which is why Nvidia removed the M designation from the laptop GPUs. But Ampere threw that out the window, and Nvidia only required laptop OEMs to add the GPU power limit because consumers complained (and it could have been lawsuit worthy because of misleading advertising). Nvidia should still add the M designation back to laptop GPUs...
Indeed
Agreed. AMD’s doing it, they should also just do it instead.
Manufacturers drop the letter because it makes it look inferior even on top model gpus
Yet still most laptop OEMs don't add TGP information... some do and do it very transparently but others couldn't be bothered to do it, the market should penalize them
@@GaroSlayer Technically, that means they are violating Nvidia's OEM requirements. If Nvidia had any integrity left, they'd put pressure on them. But we all know what it's about... $$$$$
Being able to move a PC from bedroom to family room is another major benefit of laptop.
If you get a quality laptop they make almost no noise if your good at tunning.
Just need to be able to set the fan RPM lower then 3000.
Steam Deck is better for that, not to mention Steam game streaming is really good and still, this setup would cost you less than most 4060 laptops and you could still afford RX 6800 or a 3060 Ti
This! I don't have to be on the move all the time to benefit from laptop gaming, sometimes I just want to change what room I'm playing in. Also, you never know when you'll be invited to a LAN party. Gotta be ready to pick up and go for that! 🤣
Wow, could you imagine, question in the title answered in the first, not click bait leading to the end of the video to keep attention span as usually youtubers does! Because its Jarrod and HU! I love q&as from this channel!
I bought a gaming laptop for when a spend a few weeks regularly outside my home elsewhere. Usually, you know upfront that you are not going to have desktop performance, even if the GPU model number matches the one in your PC. It is also quite pricey compared to the desktop experience. But on the other hand, with modern laptops you are much more efficient, and it's amazing what you can pack into 15 inches and less. Some games, that don't rely on high FPS, can actually run for a 1.5 - 2 hrs easily on battery. Nowadays, I am also using it to do remote work. But overall, I think, buying a laptop as your only gaming computer is only really making sense if you are constantly on the move or don't have much space at home.
gaming on battery is no bueno
@@schizofennec I ran Stranded Alien Dawn with reduced FPS on my 1440p laptop for 1,5 hrs recently. You really have to tone down a lot of settings that are known to eat up battery. But overall, even if it is not ideal, it is in some cases possible. I reckon games like ONI could even run a lot longer.
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WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
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~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
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@@Naraayanay ROG Strix 18 inch is 2500 and packs a 4080 GPU and a i9 CPU, I’ll go for that one
Very happy to see my question being answered first!
Thanks!
What's unfortunate is some of these VRAM issues are just due to terribly optimized games like The Last of Us. It's a nice-looking game for sure, but no way should it be performing so crap on high end hardware.
Take that in comparison to the Doom games from a company like ID software, who has had amazingly well optimized games ever since they existed in the early 90s.
Doom Eternal on a GTX 1660TI laptop gets above 60 FPS at the highest settings at 1440P or a even a 1060 laptop that's good for over 60 FPS max settings at 1080p.
It's not the only game. Hogwarts Legacy has textures popping in and out becuase there just isn't enough vRAM on 8 GB GPUs with ray-tracing enabled. Two other games, A Plague Tale Requiem and The Callisto Protocol, both have massive stuttering with those 8 GB of vRAM GPUs. It's such a PITA that Nvidia did this, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the 10 Gb RTX 3080 is next.
"we got some questions that you guys answered"
classic jarrod
Laptops definitely have a place. Used have a gaming rig, however since I got kids now just don’t have the space for it anymore so I’m my case a laptop is perfect. The performance levels aren’t the same (technically), but honestly as someone who has had top of the line Laptops Alienware and Razer and top of the end gaming rigs, once you start playing the games you really can’t notice the difference. After the initial ten minutes you just get used to it.
For example I’ve played Mass Effect, Witcher 3 and Skyrim consistently over the last decade on nearly every platform imaginable (PC laptop, PC Desktop, PS3, Xbox 360, PS5 and Series x). But Because the games are good, and performance is decent on every platform I haven’t noticed a difference.
Currently have a Blade 16 4080, and PS5 and Steam Deck. Play whenever I get the chance on whatever is easiest at the time and outside of what spot in the house I’m playing it really makes no difference to me.
Honestly, perfectly said. As long as a game isn't dipping below 60 fps (and honestly even 30 fps can be fine, especially with a smaller screen), the experience really isn't going to be crushed by that much. Most games look totally fine on lower settings, and certainly most modern day consoles/cheap(er) PCs are never going to bring you below even 60 fps with high/maxed out settings.
Perhaps it's an age thing, I'm unsure. I grew up when games like FF7 were considered pioneers for graphical capabilities.
i sold my steam deck for a 1660ti laptop no contest
And another big use case is among university students. I need my laptop to do my coursework in data science, I can run some CPU heavy analysis in class, take it back to my apartment, plug it in an external monitor, do any programming on a much wider UW screen and game for whatever little time I can squeeze out, then pop it out again in the morning and take it to class.
I don't want to spend $2500 dollar on a desktop and another $1500 on a laptop that is powerful enough for course requirements, when I can just spent like $2300 on a laptop get a i9+4080 that can handle anything related to coursework or my gaming requirements for the next 2-3 years. Obviosuly later when I don't have to carry a computer on weekdays, I'll build a desktop but there are certainly many use cases for a powerful laptop and their buyers are not dumb because I cant lug my PC tower and UW monitor everyday to class.
Yeah agree with everything you guys are saying, where at the point no where you don’t have to sacrifice performance for convenience, been gaming since I was a kid in the 90s and honestly there has never been a better time to be a gamer, just because their are so much good options. Also the kind of improvements we are seeing in form and factor you might not even need a desktop in 3/4 years time.
@yangbalanceyin 😂 yep me to, remember people used to go on about how great the FMVs in the game was and then how blown away everyone was a year later when FFVIII released and it had that fight scene at the beginning of the game. Tbf it was some ground breaking stuff at the time 😂
get mini itx pc, you can put full blown 4090 dektop on small case and it will blow any highend overpriced laptop
21:17 gaming on a laptop without it being plugged in is unusual. But there are many occasions in which you can plug in but you're not home. I agree that this is mostly a niche issue, in so much as most people do not travel for most of their life or most of the year. Even there there are occasions, where you might benefit from a very small factor system and carry as part of your luggage the monitor. For the most part, people who live in situations like dorms, or go to coffee shops or libraries, are the only other people that I can think of truly would benefit from a laptop that's for gaming. But that's not a niche portion of the market, a lot of students need to have that portability. But the portability is not about gaming on battery, it's about being able to take your whole device in your backpack
Brought an Omen 16 with 6800H and a 150w 3070ti, for fricking 1380 dollars in sale, in India! Now feeling very happy after seeing this video
"Avengers Endgame is the most ambitious crossover ever"
Jarrod: "hold my beer"
Last Gen I was hearing go with the 3070 instead of the 3080 because there isn't much performance difference. I needed the vram and Cuda cores for video editing so I went with it anyway and now I'm glad I did.
I got the legion 7 full AMD because I got a good deal on it, I was really trying to get the 3070 ti but the pricing was a bit much
@christianmbabazi9722 how's it still holding up?
It's still holding up very well. It is a laptop purches by my work for remote work. I was able to finish some projects that the 1080ti in my desktop at work were struggling with precisely because I was running out of vram. I was using it for editing for about 2 years because our new edit suite project kept getting delayed until this year when I built a 4090 rig. So now I don't edit on it unless I am working remotely, but it still holds up for sure. And for gaming it definitely holds up fine.
If you are concerned about VRAM but on a budget get a laptop with the 6850 XT. 12GB VRAM and around the performance of a 3080 mobile. Alienware M17 is on sale for 1,250 USD right now. if u wanna increase from 16 GB RAM or the 500GB SSD each upgrade cost an extra 50 dollars. I would recommend the 1TB SSD and 16 GB RAM for 1,300 USD. There is also the desktop replacement from Origin with a 3080 TI 16GB and 11700K for 1,300 USD right now. Both are 17 inch laptops.
haven't watched yet but I always expect from Jarrod an informative video 👌🏻✌🏻
For me, the worst RTX 40 series GPU for laptops is the 4070. It's voltage limited, performs much worse than the 4080 & 4090, doesn't perform much better than the 3070 Ti, and has the same exact 8 GB of vRAM as the 4060. IMO, either go for the 4080 or save some money and go for the 4060.
Yes exactly. 4070 laptop is trash
Thanks for your thoughts. The price difference of 4060 to 4070 is huge. But as i observed it only gives 10 to 20 fps compare to 4060. Is the ryzen 7 7745hx 4060 a good option? thank you
@@kanbei0412 yeah it should be viable for a time. 4xxx series is just 4060 or 4080/4090. 3070 ti is really good too and goes on sale very frequently. Check the laptop deals on the description
@@kanbei0412honestly, you should look for an rtx 3080 laptop, you get better performance than rtx 4070 with 16gb vram for a much cheaper price
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I was so confused about what channel I clicked on for a minute 🤣
Welcome back to Gamers Nexus
That latency bit it the end was gold. I'm actually considering a Rog Ally / XG Radeon setup to replace my desktop. Now I will have to do some thorough testing before making the switch. New video idea Jarrod??
The use case I see (and experience personally) for gaming laptops are two fold:
- Being able to game outside of my office. When I need to watch the kiddo but also want to play PC games.
- Traveling. I spend a good amount of time abroad, and wind up wanting to kill some time in a hotel room. Being able to play games in that situation is invaluable.
I am also in the fortunate position of being able to work from my own personal laptop, so I am able to bring my own personal machine around and use it in both a work and personal setting.
If I couldn't do that, I'd have a desktop at home and instead opt for something like an ROG Ally or Legion Go for the road.
What laptop do you have?
Damn, you can tell that Jarrod was really sweating under the intense heat of those studio lights lmao
Nah I'm just naturally shiny
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@@NaraayanayMy man you can get a lot better than 3070ti for that price
Diablo IV on 4K Ultra used all the 16GB VRAM on my 4080. That's crazy.
How do you know it used it all? Software (e.g., msi afterburner) tell you vram *allocation* not usage. I'm confused as to how you could tell
I think vram should not have been an issue, its how the game was optimized. 10 or 15 years ago programmer was more creative with how the program (optimized the games) most especially game developers back in the days of extremely limited RAM. Game developers and programers are getting lazy opting out to approach the problem with brute force (high vram / ram) rather than usung creative programming.
Because the 16gb of Ram in modern consoles make their jobs easier. The less work less cost, the less cost the more profit. Also forces a huge numbe of people to buy more GPUs or new Laptops. Everybody wins... except the consumer..
@@gerardotejada2531 Gamers want more textures & more sharpness. But you think it doesn’t take more memory. Pull your head out of your a**.
Great video as always but while I know games are becoming more demanding, to say 8GB of vram is entry level just isn't true, (maybe at 1440p but at 1080p its not) if anything it's mid, entry is like 4GB -6GB (a 3050/4050 - 3060/4060) while a 3060ti/4060ti to 3070ti/4070ti is midrange, 4080 and 4090 are high end likes it always been. It wasn't until this year where we saw AAA games needing more than 8GB to run smoothly and those were mainly do to bad ports/optimization which were adjusted in later fixes. for example there was no reason Last of Us remastered can run smoothly on a ps5 and not a 3060 ti or higher (which is equivalent in performance only difference is the Vram size but the PS5 uses its system ram as vram and is shared with it CPU/APU hence the higher limit which should translate to a PC with it own dedicated RAM and Vram for resources)
Love the collab
watching this with my powerful rtx 3050 laptop with 4gb vram
I bought my first gaming laptop in 2020 and at the time it was a fairly decent spec (i7 10750h and RTX 2070 Max-Q) and it was absolutely great for high refresh 1080p gaming even up until now. So that's about 3 years. Bare in mind when I bought it 30 series was only a few months away so if I had waited a bit longer then I could expect an extra year and a half out of it. I found I mainly used it docked ar a desk with keyboard, mouse and monitor and only really occasionally used it for gaming in my campervan. I decided this year to build a whole new desktop and its been incredible, sure im giving up the portability but the gaming experience has been incredible as I've gone up a resolution to 1440p fully ray traced HDR gaming but it's still nice to have the laptop as a backup and portable machine. In an ideal world a reasonable Dell XPS style system would make more sense due to decent battery life and work ergonomics whilst also being able to game a bit on the side
having a desktop and a moderate gaming laptop is a way to go
My houshold all use the one desktop, I just bought the Lenovo LOQ on special, not dissapointed, its decent, quiet and built well with the most current specs.
Cool, I'm writing the review for the LOQ at the moment!
Its like a lower tier Legion it has a decent price and almosg the same look as the legion pro. I cant wait for Jarrod to have a look at it
@@JarrodsTech hi Jarrod. Have you got sample of Helios 16. Its has a great price to performance ratio. I9 13th gen 4070 with 2.5k reso.
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So basically for now it's better to buy a console for gaming than to get a gaming laptop if you more focus on gaming than productivity
It's a weird year for those looking for both, imo the best way to know if you should be looking at a glaptop is if you can make it tax deductible (if you're just running a very small self employed thing)
I got rtx 3060 6gb vram lap and now only realised it's not enough to run the upcoming games in high settings. The last of us in medium settings take above 7gb vram and crashes sometime. I recommend equal or more vram than 8gb guys.
What the hell are u saying lol tlou takes 6.3gb vram for me on 1080p high dlss quality and i can play on 60fps
@@pranavdupati9164 am playing on 1440p and u saying 6.3 vram but it just make use of extra system memory. max usage of vram just hitting performance bad.
@@thilakaswin2327 3060 is a 1080 card
3060 is doable at 1080p and some 1440p. But if you force 4K on it, it gonna die. It's not perfect, but still doable. I mean with DLSS of course.
@@pranavdupati9164 WTF
Great points. Another I'd add is that is that it depends on how often you play games on day one. Many games released across the last two years or so have been half baked in terms of optimisation eg Hogwarts Legacy and Last of Us Part 1. Many titles now benefit from patches that reduce vram use AND boost the visual quality of textures across configurations (particularly medium.and low). All that to say, best not to gauge vram being the limitation based on day 1 performance.
Exact reason I avoided 3060 last year and went for 6650m instead. Soon after my decision is already justified.
Lucky you. It's very rare to find laptops with AMD GPU here.
Thanks for answering the questions. I know it's quite the head scratcher and a head turner and maybe irrelevant, but a good debate is always fun to listen to then simply saying it's not worth going for x because y is better.
7:05
Framework laptop: let me introduce myself
I’m surprised the 6800m/6850m weren’t brought up here. Gaming performance is in between the 3070 and 3080 laptop gpu with 12gb of vram.
love seeing my two fave channels together...JarrodsTech and Hardware Unboxed 👍
But seriously, what other options above 8gb laptop GPUs are available to laptop users besides 4080 12gb?
At least on desktop, you can grab the 6700 xt 12gb. Laptop users are screwed until AMD comes up with 12gb GPUs cheaper than 4080 laptop.
4070 8gb what a scam laptop
Ayeee, Jarrod got a new studio and invited Tim over. How nice!
the MASTER of LAPTOP reviews joins forces with the MASTER of BENCHMARKS,
ladies and gentlemen!!! ULTIMATE CROSSOVER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the RX6850M XT is worth a look at as well. 12GB VRAM and a lot of deals popping up that make the 6850 equipped laptops similar in price to 3070 models. Not as sure about the 6700M with 10gb but I'm sure it'd be a better option than a 3060 6gb.
Edit: On second thought, the 6700M would be a way better choice than the 3060 and to an extent, even a 3070 (given price disparity). Similar to the point you talked about in the video with respect to the 3070 vs 6800, the added VRAM reduces any headaches you'd have with textures and other graphical settings significantly.
Yeah sometimes I forget about that one because it's in like 2 laptops, though at a couple of years old now and without DLSS/frame generation you could argue it's a compromise in order to get the VRAM.
@@JarrodsTech He was comparing with 30-series nVidia so no Frame generation anyway. FSR is less common than DLSS but in those games it's at least comparable to DLSS with no FG.
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@@Rightygamer thanks I will check. I was checking if I can get 4080 below 2400 but not finding
@@Rightygamermight be best taking a look at used options to got a similarly specd m16 for 800
I haven't watched your video yet, so I'm sorry if you mentioned it, but I can say that the most important use of high vram is AI, especially for language models, 16gb is not enough and it's really frustrating that we are limited to 16gb on laptops.
What would be enough like 24 or 48 does it really help with performance alot my laptop is an asus rog zephyrus m15 should I upgrade memory to 24 gb or more is it worth it
@@Mshawn244 you can't upgrade VRAM. RAM is a different thing, and that's not what this is about
@@VideogamesAsArt no I meant ram not vram
@@Mshawn244 yeah, ram doesn't help with AI model training, or rather, vram is much more desirable
What about the 6850m xt gpu? I feel like thats an excellent option for laptop budget wise and you get 12gb vram. Paired with the 6900hx cpu its a beast for games.
Sometimes I forget it exists when it's in like 2 laptops.
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Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
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At this point 16GB needs to be the standard to match PS5 and Series X. I have a RTX 4070 and I can only run Ratchet and Clank at medium smoothly because of VRAM limitations. Sad
Rachet and clank needs a fast ssd
After doing more research, happy to report you and HUB are perfectly right with the eGPU/TB problem, with users having really fickle experiences, so thanks for that warning
Why not try an all amd system? Ive been loving my Asus G14 with the Rx 6700s. Plays everything above 60 fps @1440p with 8gb vram!🤘
So far I'm doing fine with a 6GB 3060 on my laptop @ 1440p. People tend to overstate VRAM needs by benchmarking at ultra and playing the absolute worst ports before they're patched.
I can't play hogwarts legacy on just High settings on my Dell rtx 3060 laptop without micro stuttering & Lagging on 1080p fullHd while I can comfortably play it on High settings on my desktop rtx3060 12gb one on 1080p full HD, same with resident evil,Last of us aswell, even also on Apex legends I can't play it in 1080p ultra settings on my rtx 3060 laptop because of its limited 6gb vram while I can play it on ultra settings comfortably on my rtx 3060 desktop, in short you are wrong ma%te,
False. Your not doing fine unless your playing old or garbage games. 6gb is hardly usable for 1080
@@tejaswin5404 has it ever occured to you that hogwarts legacy is a poorly optimized video game on PC and that 6gb of vram is completely sufficient to game with on 90% of titles at 1440p, let alone 1080p?
The desktop 3060 has 12gb VRAM not because nVidia s generous, but because they made some sort of mistake - hence why the 3070 has 8gb VRAM and not 16....
@@JohnBog I also talked about 3 other games other than hogwarts legacy in my comment, why haven't you mentioned about them in your pathetic response comment? NGreedia's cu%ck🥴
@@JohnBog Doom eternal is unoptimised? Forza horizon 5? RE Village? RE4 remastered? They all use more than 8 GB of VRAM at 1080p.
Remember, VRAM at this point of time is more important than frame generation.
VRAM is utilized by every single game exists and will be released, frame generation is utilized by very few certain games.
Why would I need more fps when I don't have textures? imo I would definitely go for 6900XT over 4070
As one who has lived and breathed gaming laptops forever. I finally built a desktop since I was the always kept laptop docked kind of person and only moved laptop around the house. Now with my desktop I have converted my laptop to a small 14 inch used Thinkpad laptop and have found that remoting into my desktop with steam link or Windows RDP to game and edit video. Now I can have the power of the desktop anywhere in the house with a laptop that can easily give 2 days of power in remote mode since it is precessing basically nothing. It's completely silent and cool. Honestly been much better for me
How is the latency when connecting like that while gaming?
@@sreeravi25 I only play story games and games that aren't very latency sensitive like that. It's not bad but it can mess you up in certain senarios
As a traveling Field Engineering who enjoys gaming, i have a gaming laptop (10750h and 2070maxq), a 24 inch laptop and a mouse and keyboard, when im in my temp apartment I have my setup, and when i fly (about once a month) i can just use the laptop itself while im away from my setup.
Honestly, the prevalence of 8GB VRAM laptops is actually what's stopping me buying a laptop at the moment. I probably only buy a laptop once every 12 years or so (use a Desktop most of the time), so why would I buy one that's on the edge now? Seriously considering something with a 6800M for it's 12 GB vram and budget pricing, though might wait for new Radeon GFX to see what it's like.
Idk just buy a mid range, turn down the graphics, and accept that you might have to buy a laptop every 3-4 years. The games are usually just as fun on medium/medium low.
@@pretzelstick320 I thought about that, and as I buy a laptop so infrequently I'm used to turning settings down to their lowest settings eventually, but I feel the 3-4 year buying cycle is exactly what Nvidia wants us to do (or be up-sold beyond the price/performance sweet spot), and I hate that manipulation tbh.
I did end up finding a lappy with a 12GB VRAM GFX card with $1,500 off its release MSRP, as its just becoming last gen now, and can live with that 😊
The 4090 is actually priced at a level that I consider fair. If you can get it at MSRP. The 4080 it's a totally different beast. It is not priced correctly. It is not fair. It is a spit in the face. It should never have been more than 800 maybe maybe 900 if they had upped the memory for it. And don't get me started on the 4070 or the 4060 series... This is because they decided to upsell us what actually were 4070s as 4080's, The 4060 as of 4070, the 4050 is now our 4060s. And they don't even have enough memory at those levels. It's insulting, and the anger I have to these companies especially Nvidia, it's quite honestly frustrating to express. I said this before and I'll say it again I'm a 4090 target market. But I'm not going to buy overpriced pieces for my children or girlfriend. It's simply will not happen. I feel like I was slapped on the face, spat upon, and then told hey we're giving you this for only 500 or $700... If you want something better spend $1,200 after all our money says the company is stuck in your bank account... The arrogance!!!!! And then they play this game with the laptop SKU's!!!!! So instead what I did is I went and bought some series X's and s's, the S's travel better, and here we are. Nvidia has lost customer's fu at least one generation of the graphics cards, and honestly since I'm the main purchaser in my family, they've lost at least two full generations, because if I can do it with AMD why do I need to be insulted and treated like some cash cow that they need to milk every 18 months
20:57 lots of trains have wall outlets. And train stations. And airports. And cafes and so on. So it's really easy to game on the go.
@24:46, I am personally thinking about moving away from d4skop pc's and INTO laptops.. i know its usually the other way around.
I've been building pc's for a long time, currenlty have a r9 5900hx + rtx 3080 + 64gb ram desktop pc, that I rarely use. For what I find myself doing most of the time (playing dota, or wathcing youtube) docked laptop works just fine.
And i have the added benefit I can pick it up and take it w/ me wherever I go.
But yeah on heavy games, the desktop will perform way better.
20:51 Unlike planes, trains quite often have power outlets which you can use so you don't have to run on battery power on trains.
That thumbnail is winning!! I clicked immediately
0:01 aha gotta love that intro. Nice collab boys
Jarrod video with HU thumbnail, perfection.
Hi Jarrod
I have a rtx 2060 laptop from 2019 (with 32gb hyperx kit and 3 ssd's that are the fastest in their class), and didn't have any vram problems in games with ultra settings till now.
a week ago I get Hogwarts legacy just for testing my laptop. frames was OK (between 60-110) at first with ultra settings preset and dlss on quality. but when I turned on ray tracing, fps dropped to 20 frames ( RAM usage over 20gb, VRAM around 5.4gb) on 1080p TUF external monitor.
I think 6 or 8gb vram shouldn't be the problem since a lot of even high end laptops are using 6-8gb graphics card (about 70% of them). I tested AAA titles with my laptop on my channel.
I also bought two 3060 asus rog laptops (intel and amd) for my brother and sister, one with 1080p and one 1440p and they dont have vram problems with ultra settings even with 6gb.
Game performance is based on your system specs. I mean, a game might use 5gb vram on one card and 7gb on another with same settings. if the game optimized well, it will run without problems and automatically uses necessary amount of memory. a game like Hogwarts legacy is not optimized cause when you turn down settings to medium or high (instead of ultra) it will still use above 5gb again and stutters when going from one place to another. I don't think a person who just wanna play a video game have to spend 3k or 4k for a beast to reach the game requirements, I think it should be the game, that have to optimized well for budget GPUs. why shouldn't the rtx cards be able to use the one thing that they made for, with exclusive cores for that reason? a gtx 1080 with 8gb vram and rtx 2060 with 6gb vram both can't use ray tracing in Hogwarts, one for being gtx and one for less vram. or rtx 3050 with 8gb vram can't use ray tracing either. rtx cards have extra cores for ray tracing but cant use it?! I think games should be more optimized not vram.
If an average gamer wanna play these unoptimized games, he/she has no choice to either buy a high end PC or not to buy at all. the recommended requirements system for this game is 11gb gtx 1080 ti, so you have to own a 12-16gb card to just erase the vram problem, so then for 4k res and ultra ray tracing we should go for 4090 or 3090 sli just for 30-60fps.
Its all about optimizations, not vram. 6-8gb vram is enough for any games at ultra settings. I also tested a lot of AAA titles with my laptop in my channel.
Thank you.
p.s. Your laptop reviews are the best. oh and sorry for my bad English. (from iran)
Another part on vram is the steam hardware survey (which imo is pretty representative of pc gamers) where the top 5 popular cards are the:
1650 (4gb vram)
1060 (3-6gb vram)
3060 (12gb vram)
3060m (6gb vram)
2060 (6-12gb vram)
These make up around 25% of steam users with around 46.5% for top 13 (14th being the 3080 with 8-16gb) so if game devs will be targeting 16gb vram since the ps5 has 16gb total ram, they'll be leaving out millions of users and blaming it on vram when as you said, it's quite clearly optimisation issues (which we've seen for any ported game that had little effort put into it). I don think nvidia not giving much vram to their latest cards is a good move considering the price but if the games that have vram issues are ps5 ports then is this really a thing that everyone should be scared about and that 8gb vram is useless so they have to buy a 7900 xtx or 4090 to be able to play games?
Also i also think 8gb vram is enough for ultra in games (unless you're using path tracing but not many cards can even run that) and spending 3-4k like you said to play these games at all is unreasonable. Maybe when direct storage is finally in games it'll solve the vram issue mostly but that's not for a few years i reckon.
ببینید چند تا نکته هست
من راستش تست های شما رو دقیق ندیدم، اما معمولا روی 1080p از DLSS استفاده نمیکنن عموما
اما نکته مهم اینجاست که مشکل اصلی کم بودن vram نیست، بلکه مشکل اصلی زمانی هست که مقدار vram، پرفورمنس کارت گرافیک شما رو محدود کنه! درست مثل 3070 دسکتاپ و 3070TI دسکتاپ
یه مثالش رو توی همین کانال یوتیوب HUB رو ببین که میاد RTX A4000 رو با 3070 مقایسه میکنه (یک کارت ورک استیشن، با توان مصرفی کم، که زمان عرضه شدنش هم استیو بررسیش کرد و عملکرد گیمینگش در حد 3060TI بود) از نظر مشخصات فنی با 3070TI یکیه (از پردازشگر GA104 با هسته های کامل استفاده میکنه) و تنها فرقشون اینه که A4000 دارای 16gb GDDR6 هست و 3070TI که 8gb GDDR6X هست (و البته اختلاف توان مصرفی و فرکانس کلاک هسته های کودا هم که گفتم)
نتیجه توی عناوین جدید AAA قابل تأمله و کاملا نشون میده که قدرت گرافیکی مثل 3070 دسکتاپ (که زمان عرضهش با 2080TI مقایسه شد و همون سطح عملکرد رو میداد با VRAM کمتر و...) به مقدار حافظه گرافیکی خودش محدود شده (چیزی که استیو توی همین ویدئو هم میگه که تقریبا در تاریخ کارت گرافیک ها بی سابقه بوده)
این نکته رو ذکر میکنم که 3070 دسکتاپ از نظر قدرت عملکرد کاملا برتر از گرافیک های سری 30 لپتاپی انویدیا هست و مدلی مثل 3070TI لپتاپ، به مقدار vram خودش آنچنان محدود نشده (قدرتش تقریباً هم سطح با 3060TI دسکتاپ هست که اونم همین مقدار و نوع vram رو داره - البته جدیدا نسخه GDDR6X هم ازش عرضه شده) و خب تقریباً روی مرز هستن جفتشون و میشه قبولشون کرد، اما در مورد 3070 دسکتاپ و قوی تر نه
با این تفاسیر، طبیعتا گرافیک های 3060 و 2060 که شما بررسی کردید کاملا از این موضوع دور هستن و قدرتشون محدود به مقدار حافظه گرافیکیشون نیست
در خصوص 4060TI دسکتاپ هم در حال حاضر بیشتر مشکل اصلی سر قیمتش هست که به نوعی به نسبت مدل نسل قبلی خودش (از نظر اسم حداقل - یعنی 3060TI)، نه پرفورمنس قابل توجه بیشتر ارائه میکنه و نه حافظه گرافیکی بیشتری داره (که بگیم دست کم به این خاطر ارزش اون افزایش قیمت رو داره و حالا برای بعضی استفاده ها یا آینده نگری و... کارکرد داشته باشه - صرفا فقط مصرف کمتری داره و فیچر های جدید سری 40)
صحبت از بهینه بودن بازی ها هم داشتید که اتفاقا نکته بسیار درستی هست، اما یه موضوع هم این وسط باعث شده که بازی های انقدر بهینه نباشن، اونم وجود سخت افزار قدرت مند هست که بهش تکیه کنن. یه زمانی مثلا 1080TI شاید واقعا بشه گفت اونقدر اختلاف عملکرد با 1060 6GB نداشت که مثلا الان 4090 با 4060TI اختلاف پیدا کرده
یعنی بازی ساز میاد و بنا رو بر وجود اون گرافیک قوی تر میذاره و در این بین گرافیک های میانرده تر نابود میشن و...
اما خب بازم گیم هایی هستن که بهینه تولید شده باشن با همین موتور بازی سازی های جدید، مثل همین گیم جدید EA که استیو هم بررسیش کرد داخل کانال خودشون و برای مثال توی دو مدل گرافیک 3070 دسکتاپ و RX 6800 16gb اجراشون کرد، روی گرافیک رادئون با تنظیمات مشابه، فکر کنم حدود 5gb بود یا کمتر دقیق خاطرم نیست، از vram رو برای تکسچر ها استفاده میکرد گیم، اما روی 3070 دقیقا 1gb بود و مقدار مصرف حافظه گرافیکی مدیریت شده بود و خوشبختانه نه بازی دچار وقفه و ایست میشد و فریم دراپ نداشت و نه تفاوت کیفیت بصری گیم چندان قابل تشخیص بود
بنابراین واقعا با شما در این مورد هم نظر هستم که بازی ساز باید بهینه گیم تولید کنه، اما در عین حال اختلافی که بین مدل های پرچمدار با میانرده ها هم افتاده واقعا نگران کننده هست، چه بسا میدونیم که کارت های گرافیک استفاده های غیر از گیم هم دارن و برای مثال اون مورد آخری که گفتید که چرا مثلا 3050 نباید بتونه از قابلیت RT خودش توی گیم ها به نحو مطلوبی بهره ببره، حتی برای اون کارت هم قابلیت RT توی نرم افزار های رندر سه بعدی کارکرد داره و مثلا فقط سرعت رندر نهاییش کمتر میشه، نیاز به پردازش آنی رهگیری پرتو برای فریم دهی موقع مدل سازی سه بعدی خب کمتر هست اما برای خروجی نهایی میشه از هسته های RT مجزایی که داره استفاده کرد، و خب به همین ترتیب هم مواردی مثل 4090 با 24gb حافظه گرافیکی کارکرد غیر گیمینگ هم دارن (همونطور که استیو هم داخل ویدیو میگه که همین الان غیر اپتیمایز ترین بازی ها هم به بیش از 16gb vram احتیاج ندارن و اگه 4090 هم فرضا همین مقدار vram رو داشت، بازم توان عملکردش توی گیم ها محدود به حافظه گرافیکی خودش نبود - چه بسا همین الانش هم چنین استفاده ای موقع گیم زدن نداره) اما خب باز به هر دلیلی که هست این گرافیک پرچمدار با این مشخصات تولید میشه و اختلاف عملکرد و تجربه گیمینگی که ارائه میکنه با مدل های میان رده از همون نسل به شدت اختلاف دارن که متاسفانه این موضوع مطلوبی نیستش
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
~Virtualization?
I think a possible outcome of the price hikes for GPUs might be the death of PC gaming. Why should I pay exorbitant prices if I can get a console that games better in most games, given the state of PC ports? Then there is no gaming market for nVidia at all, if the rumours are true that Nintendo might go with Qualcomm for the next Switch.
I have a G15 5520 with the 3050 4GB VRAM and have upgraded the RAM to 32GB DDR5 and SSD to 512 and I run most modern games relatively well. I do need to use DLSS on all of these games though. Sometimes it makes me want to upgrade to at least a 3070 ti laptop just to have a higher overhead. It would’ve been better to have a 1660 ti in this laptop to max natively on 1080p.
I Love my 1660ti Laptop - but it start to get old - next Upgrade will be 3070ti or Something Like this .. Just wait for the next price drop or refurbed incoming
Good thing the new 7800M XT comes with 16 GB VRAM. Unfortunately I just got a 4070 desktop because of low VRAM in the laptop space.
while im play forza5 at max setting 1600p, its use more than 8gb already, so yeah we should buy somethink with 10gb vram
My only issue with “mid ranged” laptops these days is they’re either overpriced or they have a lot of problems at launch.
Yeah the prices aren't great atm, hopefully changes over the next few months, 4050 is already down to $800 USD from $1000 launch.
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
~Virtualization?
This Crossover videos are nice!
You know it's gonna be a good one, when you couldn't even bother to film the intro one more time
both King of Review at same Desk , this video should go up to 1mil view
The thing with desktops is that you’re locked to one location in you house. With a desktop if you want to game at a desk fine, but what if you want to be on the sofa alongside your partner? They also consume less power and have less footprint.
well if I was to game on a sofa I would use a console or steam deck, pc gaming on sofa is really bad
At that point just get a steam deck then its easier to hold in your hands and you can do remote play from your desktop in your house and have a lot more playing time compare to a gaming laptop
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
~Virtualization
@@Naraayanay legion 5i with 4070 ? (if ur from us 4080 is around 2400$). for me 4070 is 2400$. but its 16 inch with i7 13700hx or i9 13900hx.
18:51 IMO is only only only buy a laptop if you have a high need for mobility. I take my laptop out of my house 2x a week for 12hr periods, so for my use case needs I could justify the premium for laptop portability.
PC will always offer the best value for performance.
Aw man, I love these crossovers
I fully agree that modern games are becoming very badly optimized. I don't expect my 3060 mobile to run all modern games at max settings with 60+ fps. but atleast the games should be well optimized so that we can enjoy the games even at medium to high settings. also about the VRAM thing he mentioned...feels like the company is scamming us and forcing people to buy cards with more VRAM than 6gb for their own greed.
and that is also my opinion it is all about very bad stupid optimization cuz I dont see amassive graphics improved in visuals compares to massive need to vram
Gaming laptop owners, if you want to play modern games with the highest quality settings, buy a console! Game developers & console owners are telling you to grow up!!!
@@tringuyen7519 I have already said that I do not wish or expect that every games will run at max settings in XYZ laptop. What is needed is a decent amount of optimization. I can manage in medium settings, without using ray tracing or high graphic demanding options. just the games should atleast run well so that we can enjoy.that's my opinion.
@@sagnikpattanayak1713I absolutely agree with you. I also have RTX 3060 Mobile with i5 11400h. Bad optimization games (Eg. The Last Of Us) are never reached 60 fps even on low to medium setting. Developers should optimize their games.
@@cmh-32 high 5 friend :D at the end of the day, every gamer should get to enjoy the games that we all love. the developers and especially the companies are forgetting that day by day.
This is the cross-over universe I was looking forward too!
Can you please make a "The Best gaming Laptops So Far 2023" video
Sure can. Looking to have it up in a few weeks.
Thank you I am looking forward to that 😊
i have a different perspective in regards to the laptop vs pc debate -- i just got the lenovo legion pro 7i gen 8 4080. i did this cause the last upgrade i had was when i built my pc, its a ryzen 5 3600 and rx 5700 so the laptop is a massive jump up in production and gaming capabilities. my idea is that i'll use this laptop for 3-4 years and then build another pc. if the generational gains are exponential enough, why not switch back and forth? i like being able to work and game while sitting in the same room with my family and i can't do that with a pc. i also like being able to go anywhere, anytime and i can't do that without a laptop.
Anyone have any thoughts about 6700M (10GB) vs a 4060(8GB)?
The 6700M is a Legion 7 with an R7 6800H and the 4060 is a Helios Neo 16 with an i7 13700HX.
Both with 16GB of RAM and 1TB SSD
Curious if anyone has any experience with either cards or laptops, their pros and cons etc.
Should i buy a used 1100$ msi GE66 laptop (3070ti)? The 8GB VRAM does not look good
For 1440p Laptop Gaming there are 16gb 3080 Laptops out there. Cheaper than 3080ti16gb but more expensive than 3070 8gb. I wanted an Asus Laptop with 3080 16 gb but some of them had 4k which is to momuch xD
for the 3080 non Ti make sure you're buying a 16GB version because there is an 8GB variant of the 3080 Laptop.
I bought last year a Dell G15 with a full powered 3060 for about 750 euros. I felt at the time that it was a too good of an offer to pass up but it's kind of a bummer now that VRAM is becoming such an issue I didn't expect to happen so quickly. Now I'm thinking of buying a used GPU with 16gb of VRAM and use it via the thunderbolt 3 connection.
@King Freak Is it just me? Or has Corporate greed gotten stronger lately? I mean, Corporate greed was always here in the very beginning right?? But for some reason, their greed is getting into dangerous lvls lately.
from 1 mistake to another, the thunderbolt 3 is gonna bottleneck that egpu so damn heavily that I'm willing to bet half of my remaining life span that it's gonna give you the same amount of fps and stuttering as that rtx 3060 mobile, if not worse, because it's gonna run out of of gpu processing power(transferred processed power from the dgpu to laptop) due to heavily choked down and BDSM-ed connection bandwidth. even thunderbolt 4 chokes the connection between the 2. Jarrod literally said it himself in the video, even assuming u did a typo and it was actually a thunderbolt 4 the result is gonna be just the same( i know there are ryzen and intel model of g15). a gpu with 16g or more is probably a high end or upper midrange at least and it needs a lot of connection bandwidth to perform the way it should without leaving any performance on the table. something thunderbolt 3-4 or usb 4 can't provide.
For that price it was a pretty good deal especially if you bought it last year! Having to lower the textures to medium is not that big of a deal at this price range. You can be happy with what you got!
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
~Virtualization
@@KingFreak-jd8qm I've bought recently an Asus ROG Strix G15 with rtx 3060 6gb 140w with Ryzen 7 6800h and 16 gb of ram and a FHD 1080p 300hz screen, for 1080p gaming it feels like a beast, I'm sure I can run games between high to ultra at 1080p for the next 3-4 years and DLSS has come a long way will still improve.
I used to have an Asus Tuf with 1050 4gb and I played Elden Ring with steady 30fps at low/med setting and I fully enjoyed my time playing it
there is this new trend that gaming on pc should be at 60fps at 1440p minimum and playing with RT at 4k is the norm
this is absolutely bullshit, it's standards set by those with high end rig and think they are superior and I blame the gaming industry for feeding their egos
It's a big disapointment that the 4060, 4070 laptops throttles avove 90W even if the laptops are designed to take much more wattage ... This and the low amount of VRAM makes one think again and again before buying , or just maybe not buying ...
Snagged a lappy with 3060 6gb Jan '23 for 1450$ CDN (roughly 1075$ USD). For my use case, was a perfect value price. Play a lot of older games, don't mind dropping some settings for newer ones, haven't found any game unplayable yet.
Really depends on your price points but aye, fully agree, if you're paying premium price make SURE you're getting good value VRAM for the cost. Would hate overpaying and having lacking performance (and it's so easy to get gouged on laptops).
~a random canadian subscriber
We have the tech to make a modular laptop that we can swap out parts and upgrade them, but they won’t cause they are deliberately hindering laptops on purpose..
Question re laptop vs dekstop:
Main difference is you can more easily transport laptops.
Desktop will always have better performance with the similarly named parts.
BUT, building a 4090 desktop with 4TB of SSD, buying a 4K monitor, 64Gb DDR5 ram, and a 13900K will cost as much or more than a GT77 which has it all in one.
You'll get 35% better average FPS in games, some will be more. So let's look at it this way. It will still cost near as much to build a desktop 4080 which will have similar gaming performance to a good 4090 laptop.
The desktop will likely be quieter but they can be horrendously noisy under load too.
It will also likely make the GT77 look tiny. So that's the thing that might matter.
I love having a laptop on my overbed table in my room. Then I can take 10 steps and move the laptop to my studio room when I want to make music.
Even though I COULD set up one of those overbed tables with desktop stands in my room, it would be a pain to move the desktop to the studio room, there is no room to roll the table and do it that way.
Also think of it this way:
Just last year you could buy a 3090 ti desktop and 12900K etc and pay the same price or more than a GT77 today. Remember I am including TWO 2tb SSD and 64GB DDR5. Right now that laptop is 7.1K in Australia, and includes Win 11 Pro. 13980HX which thrashes a 12900K also. I priced desktops last year with 3080ti, 64Gb ram, 4TB SSD and they were 6 grand in Australia, without a screen or proper gaming mouse and KB combo. About 7K all up. for a 3080 ti. Custom build, top cooling, etc.
The GT77 with 4090 will outperform that in CPU and be neck and neck with all gaming FPS, not to mention DLSS3. It will THRASH a 3080 from last year though.
And it's portable. If it's too bulky, get the GE78HX which is just as fast in every way. Just an IPS 300 nit 1600P screen instead of 4K mini LED screen. Still 2x2TB SSD and 32GB ram standard.
If you need G-Sync and can live without F key lighting or any windows hello functionality, Asus is your answer in 2023.
The only time you really lose with a laptop, the way I see it, is when you want a desktop 4090, which you can't get. That's basically it.
But desktop processors are hitting 100c also with good cooling, are loud, and the main advantage is the GPU in 2023. Do you really think desktop GPU are quiet under 100% load? I promise they are not. And you know what? I cap many games at 60 FPS and my laptop therefore doesn't strain either GPU or CPU and it becomes silent. My legion 7i is also very portable, which is why I will always keep it even when I get my 4090 replacement within the next couple weeks (just deciding which laptop).
Facts.
Do you really think you can't play ANYTHING on a laptop 4090? Especially those using 1600P screens. You won't even need DLSS in any current game at that resolution with a laptop 4090. At 4K many 2 year old games will run native 60+, and modern games ultra settings/4K/DLSS quality are possible. You can play anything and have it look gorgeous.
22000 TimeSpy on GT77 should tell you.
Heck, my laptop is 10,500 time spy (legion 3070 2021) and I can play anything at high settings/60 FPS if I use DLSS quality or balanced at the lowest (1600P).
You only need a desktop if you want minimum 60 FPS at every game at 4K at native. That's it. If you can live with DLSS on some games, or 1440P or 1600OP native (depending on the laptop you buy aspect ratio), you can play anything for years to come without DLSS at all.
Why don't we just say it how it is.
the main difference is you can get to that 99th percentile of extreme performance with a desktop.
The question is, do you care.
I don't.
Desktops are always better for audio professionals though, due to usually having much lower DPC latency. That's a different matter entirely.......
The Video Thumbnail is Amazing.
I am waiting for more youtubers to collab with you with your style of looks in your future videos 🤣😎😅👍🏻
I have a 3060 6GB and I can tell you apart from CPU bottleneck, low VRAM also does hurt too. You need at least 8GB VRAM for absolute bare minimum at 1080p to run most games. Of course for all games you need 10 or 12GB. 😢
God dude,I've been playing RE4R and it's just so weird,I have a 10870h and a 3060 and running that game is so stupid,I'm always messing around trying to find a good balance between resolution and textures :')
I've switch to interlaced at 1440p,for me the loss in fidelity is worth it for the *much* improved performance, especially considering there is no native DLSS and my attempts at moding it into the game have only led to crashes.
Haaaaa
VRAM + pricing is the exact reason that I got a G15 AE for $1000. 12GB of VRAM, and comparable performance to a 4070 outside of RT? No brainer. It was so much cheaper that I could justify swapping my 7900XTX to a 4090 too...
depends on your use case. was sold on getting a laptop with an AMD gpu until i remembered CUDA cores and RT performance, both of which are crazy useful for 3d modeling and animation, cad programs, and MATLAB, which i'm an aerospace engineering student so those are things i will be using during my time at university. AMD really does give best bang for the buck but unfortunately NVIDIA just has a massive edge in certain spaces, so for use cases like mine i got a 4070 laptop which i know isn't a great deal but i wanted as fast as possible without the huge price jump from 4070 to 4080. 8gb vram is enough for me as i'm coming from 6 and i'm not trying to play AAA games on max settings, mostly just play games like apex legends and minecraft. but if you don't have specific needs for CUDA cores, absolutely you should go for AMD. everyone has to consider their own situation very carefully because there are cases where someone might buy an AMD gpu because it seems like a no-brainer and then realize they really should've gone for NVIDIA.
@@jazzylev even im an aerospace eng student aswell n i ordered a 4070. guess i made the right decision but so far i dont have any 3d modelling as im in my 1st sem.
@@hemendraravi4787 yeah you’re gonna be using MATLAB etc when you get to later years. but i would assume you don’t need it for first year as i don’t think i need it this year (my first year) either
Rtx 3070(150w) vs rtx 4060 (140w) laptop video ??
Buy the cheaper one I don't think performance could vary a lot between thee two.
@@drthbn thermals alone will never let them perform to their peak anyway so I agree get the cheaper one.
I’m still itching for that Msi stealth 16 studio review Jarrod!!!! Can’t wait 😂 really good video by the way
I thing you should wait for the RTX 5000 series to experience real raw generational improvements not some frame generation software nonsense.
Two of my favorite computer content creators
What about RX6800s/RX6800M and RTX3080 laptops? Their prices sometimes are $1000 cheaper. That should be worth forgoing DLSS3/FG/FSR3 stuff
WHat's best laptop around 2400-2500USD for working professional
Screen Size 17.3 or 18
Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9
~Data Science and AI graphics 3D modelling
~Computer modelling and networking
~Virtualization?
With the max desktop GPU having 16gb of ram, equivalent to some 500$ cards, I can't wait to see how much the 4k$ razer blades keep up in 4k in a few years...
Sir pls reply🙏🏻 which should I buy hp victus Intel i5 12th gen(12450h) gtx1650 or ryzen 5 5600h rtx3050 11th gen? Basically I do office work and play games AAA games like GTA5? Which is better for long term usage more than 5 years (Intel or ryzen)?😨
I'm just mad that I can't even find a 3080 laptop right now. This would have been an acceptable "Middle of the Road" Decent performance + Respectable vram.
Damn, fun cross-over vid that I somehow missed. Nice treat for a sunday lol ^_^'
ASUS ROG Strix G17 (2022) (G713RW-KH129) - can anyone help me with this one? is it good? I cant find any informations about the 3070ti in it..
Jarrod you forgot about the 6800 and 6850m for 1440p laptop options. Picked one up for 1200 and got 12gb vram
What laptop did you get I'm in the market for a 6800M/6850M XT. Seems like the only affordable laptop gpu above 10gb of vram.