Been using 3060 for a while now. And man it rocks in production (video editing, 3D modelling, rendering stuff) plus using it in heavy gaming (COD, BF5, RDR). All around little beast.
Most of tech channels are being paid to try to sell something anyway, it's a common knowledge if a competitor can paid them to talk trash about their counterparts.
I picked up a 3060 12gb last year. It runs everything I have thrown its way at 1080p with a comfortable amount of fps. I upgraded from a GTX 1050 ti so playing nearly every game I tackled on Ultra settings has been mind blowing. You served me well my 1050 ti!
i've been using the legendary 1050 ti for like 4 years. Unfortunately my pc broke and im considering if i should grab 3060 ti with 12gigs or 3070 8gigs, any advices?
@@jakisrandom826 As far as I know the 3060 ti is not a 12gb version. The 12gb one is the non-ti version. The 3060 ti is 8gb and is stronger than the 12gb model. And it is reasonable to believe the 3070 is even stronger than that. The appeal of the 3060 12gb non-ti is probably its vram size. I say go for the best value for your needs and affordability.
@@jakisrandom826 hey 1050 ti squad, me myself is probably going for the 3060 12gigs, personally think its more worth for the price, but im not the type of guy that has to have the graphics cranked at ultra, i just want some smooth fps, and my 4gigs of vram and my dying i5 7500k is not liking the games ive wanted to play recently xD
@@Bel_Zuva And i should add that im personally afraid that the 8gigs of vram will feel as limited as my 4gigs that i have right now in a few years which makes me want the 12gigs more for future proofing.
I did the same but my previous card was the rx480 8Gb, I sooo picked the right card in that price back then and think I did the same with the 3060. 8Gb was laughable in the 30 series cards and is just insane in the 40 series.
That desktop is hilarious. I'm a card carrying 3060 owner and Im happy I got it. Having 12gb of vram makes me feel like my card has some staying power for a while. I imagine in less than 5 years 8gb of vram will be as limiting as 4gb feels now. Good vid.
I'm a first time PC builder and this whole question is racking my brain. Right now I have the MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3060 12GB in my newegg cart. I know newegg is kind of a rip off. Is that card ok for games like Hell Let Loose or Tarkov at 1440p? Like I said I'm new to this. If there's a better card for the same price range could you recommend it?
@@irish2772 honestly I’d either go with a gigabyte card or a evga card. The ventris line is kind of a shit line. I’ve had several 1660 supers in that line and tried a 2060 super, they’re ugly and a bit limited on their over clocking.
I'm a texture artist this is why choosing a high VRAM is one of the greatest factor since 2012. I saw Linus' video wayback that high VRAM is not really important for GPU. It's a specialized card for specialized people.
Linus is a nvidia fanboy pure and simple. He literally hates AMD and doesn't even try to hide it. Partly that's butthurt over old Radeon encoders because his actual profession is video editing and rendering for a living and Radeon's GCN encoders etc sucked. But he is still a fanboy, and it is still a cope for nVidia's notoriously bad VRAM. It was nVidia who got hit with literally a class action lawsuit over their VRAM practices--and lost, being forced to pay millions in compensation to 3.5gb GTX 970 owners. Why does this matter is because swapping to system RAM after running out of video memory causes crashing and stuttering. They always put just enough on their 80ti to stay relevant, then gimped lower end cards with just enough to last until next marketing cycle. This matters for games a lot at ultra settings, especially high texture memory and raytracing that use lots of vram. 3070 ages badly for that reason. That's why it's basically a 1080p card despite being fast enough for light 4k. Ironically it'd be some of the most premium hardware if it wasn't run like some coconut banging tinpot company out of a van in Brooklyn. If it just had 12gb VRAM it'd still be a relevant gaming card. But it's not. So at 1440p you have to lower settings or watch it stutter and crash.
for laptops, even though 4080m and 4090m is only 4gb vram and 10% performance difference, the latter can push higher resolutions or pushing extreme load like multiple android emulators and a game at the same time, vram already ran above 14gb, so 4080m just lag out at that point due to running out of vram. my load is pretty specialized though
yes, they simply just told people they dont need 8gb or high vram back then, until a day since 2023? they suddently turn on by something and tell people 8gb is outdated. the day nvidia finally put enough of vram on to their card
GTX 770 had 2GB VRAM, typically. Then we got (kinda) 4GB with 970, then 8GB with 1070, then 8gb once again with 2070. And then again with 3070? Nvidia what the hell are you doing. We should be on 32GB of vram by now lol.
@@mattalford3932 Play flight sim in VR and suddenly VRAM is an issue. Or max the sliders on cyberpunk after the last update....Mr 3070 was struggling hard there. 32gb today is insane, but you never know about 3 -5 years from now. I remember when 2gb was perfect for 1080p gaming, now you're honestly looking at 4-6gb for it. Game devs are like a gas, they expand to fill whatever sized container you give them. You give them 2gb of vram, they'll stay mostly in that space. You give them 32gb of vram and suddenly you're getting some crazy utilization
@@CoilWhine RTX 3060 12gb struggles in Cyberpunk ??? May I buy this GPU to program some games in Unreal 5? It could handle perfectly?? My objective is to build a simple RPG (no top-notch graphics to be honest)..
We're seeing this more now. Games launching this year are consistently going over 8GBs of VRAM, sometimes even at 1080p. There are some tests where even the 4060 loses to the 3060 simply because of VRAM.
Most of them only on ultra tho. Look at your priotities, graphics or fps? If it's the late an 8gb card is more than enough. Otherwise you probally should aim for 12 at 1080p and 16 at 1440p.
I'm not arguing one way or another. I'm simply telling people that a 12GB card actually has benefits that a lot of tech reviewers overlook. You shouldn't be making a GPU purchase based off of VRAM anyways.@@TheEmolano
The 4060 doesn't loose simply because of vram, the 4060 looses to a 3060ti which has 8gb of vram just like the 4060...so no, its simply made weaker than its previous version 3060ti...
Honestly using the card for a few weeks and then making this video made me appreciate it a lot more than I expected. It's definitely not deserving of the hate in this market, especially with the lowered mining rate. Solid card, it's just overshadowed by the 3060 ti. Hope you enjoy yours!
In 2015 I was shopping for a decent GPU and the GTX 960 4GB caught my attention how much vram it have at the time (4GB vram is pretty decent in 2015). That card serves me sooo well and held up until 2 months ago when I decide to upgrade to a whole new system. Naturally the RTX 3060 12GB got my attention due to again its massive vram. I think it's going to future proof pretty good.
@@CoilWhine It is a HUGE difference. I mainly game on my old 144hz 1080p monitor so most games are pretty smooth. In 2029 I'd probably get a 32GB RTX 8060 haha.
at 1080p you'll be fine mostly, but you won't be able to run everything at max settings (AAA games, next gen titles). The 3060 will fall behind in rasterization before it runs out of VRAM, especially since you're on 1080p where 8GB or VRAM is usually more than enough. You should be solid for at least 2-3 years though.
If you do any video editing or 3d rendering vram is extremely important. If you run out and it falls back to system ram, dear god will that nerf your render times. When a single frame can be the difference between many minutes and only a couple.
I've had a 1660Super which served me gracefully, especially since I was at 1080P resolution. Now, I went 1440P with 3060 12GB and couldn't be happier. Oh, and at least I bought it new 320€ while on the user reviews 7-8 months ago, they paid 700-800€ and were still happy, poor souls. My slight regret is my old card could break at least a month later so I'd buy 4060. The new 4000 series does not bring that big of a jump in terms of performance, but man, it's as efficient AF. Many less watts needed for same or better performance, but anyway. At least it supports DirectX 12_2 Ultimate (the 12GB version).
I recently played the last of us (pc) on my rtx 2060 12gb and I’m glad I bought this card. My friends laughed at me for buying this version of the card but now all of them who had the 6gb versions and rtx 3050 8gb are now suffering.😂
I heavily roasted this card when it came out because its rasterization was so pathetic compared to the 3060 ti, and it having more VRAM than a higher performing card was useless since it would most likely be a 1080p card, and that VRAM makes it more expensive than it needed to be. I still roast it because it's a shit card in the 3000 lineup (but so is the 3070 ti with its measely 8GB), but damn am I mad at Nvidia for giving a low powered card that much VRAM when they should have been packing 10 GB+ into the 3060 ti (10 GB), the 3070 (12 GB), and 3070 ti (12GB). THAT would have made more sense. MY 1070 ti had 8 GB... what the hell Nvidia. The 3060 is technically more suited for 4K gaming even if you run it on low settings compared to the higher priced cards which can theorically handle higher rasterization. It's like they completely forgot that games have been getting more VRAM demanding. Or they did this intentionally to force sales of the 4000 series - which is funny cause sales are at an all time low. So they better get their act together and start being consumer friendly or they'll feel the losses.
It's not a "shit card", it's just overpriced most of the time. Put that sucker a bit under MSRP and it's a steal. I agree though, Nvidia really screwed us over with the VRAM amounts. Then they decide to release cards like the 3080 12gb, showing that it wasn't a technical limitation, but a financial decision to gimp a card that fast. Right now I'm rooting for AMD and even Intel to get their shit together, we need someone to put the pressure on Nvidia, this is just getting out of hand
Well congratulations finding a very high vram scenario. I didnt know you could crank doom that high. Very good demonstration of what happens when you run out of vram. Obviously its not that practical but very good demonstration. I develop a webgl app and im always afraid of users showing up to my site with only 2gb vram. My app just craps itself. 4gb is totally fine while 2gb is less than 1fps.
Yeah, the moment you hit system memory is the moment you alt-f4 and go to bed. It's also depressing when you have to drop settings because you run out of vram, even though your GPU core can still give you more.
had similar issues with my 2060 6gb when playing forza on ultra settings (couldve played extreme on 30-45fps). as soon as i started an event the game started trippin and that was the moment i knew the 6gb vram was a red flag. fortunately i was able to return the gpu but unfortunately i have to spend an extra 100 to get the 3060 which i’ll do at the end of the week.
Just play on the high preset, then set cars and shaders to ultra you should get around 80fps. Theres no point running the game at ultra it looks pretty much the same as high with much lower fps.
It's weird how defensive people get when you try to explain to them how important VRAM can be lol. Especially on Reddit, I told someone a little over a year ago that the 2060 6gb wasn't a great card to buy in 2022 at $279 and i got attacked by multiple people saying it would be "great" for 1080p and a little 1440p for a good while. LMAO it was terrible advice with new games now targeting the Series X and PS5.
Yeah, it's been fun seeing the community suddenly shift from "it's fine" to "NVIDIA greedy!". I've been here before lmao, it's a shame that these great gpu cores are being held back by the vram. It feels really bad to have extra headroom left but have an instant crash to desktop if i try to run RTX on the RE4 remake
I got a Pc with 3070 and the power system sparked, so I sent everything back, and now I’m getting a 3060 on my new pc, and I was worried 3060 wouldn’t be nearly as good as 3070. This made me feel slightly better.
Yeah, the 3060 is a surprising card, it definitely ran better than I expected, and the extra vram is handy if you mess with stuff besides gaming (stablediffusion eats vram for example). Sorry to hear about the PSU, I just had mine die recently. Enjoy the card though!
I've been playing around with artificial intelligence large language models on a variety of Nvidia cards. The 3060 is a beast and will happily execute many AI models that the 3060ti will just crash when attempting to load. The 3090 is cheap enough now that the 3060 is relegated to other tasks, but it's still a great card & will continue to be useful for the foreseeable future.
Yeah, I actually have a 6900xt as my gaming card and the 3060 12gb as my llama card. The radeon works if the stars align in linux (rocm!!!), but the 3060 is plenty fast with a 4bit gptq and exllama going on. Also used 3090s are such a good value, I'm constantly thinking about it for AI
@@eggtarts286 Same, I REALLY want to get my hands on a 16gb arc card, just to play with, but it's pretty hard to justify that purchase. Maybe when their next gen of Arc cards come out I can snag something...
Man with the latest games loving lots of Vram, that 3070 and 3070 ti look like robbery at their MSRPs. They should be selling at much lower prices today. The 3060 ti is also looking slightly overpriced in 2023 at $399. I recently saw a youtubers gamplay video of the Dead Space remake on a 3060 12GB at 4k with dlss and it's very playable with the Vram usage around 9GB. But you can't do that on the more powerful 3060Ti, 3070, 3070 ti at the same settings without massive frame drops because of Nvidia's cheapness with vram smh. lol
Yup. It's a real shame that the AMD cards with good VRAM don't have good RT performance. At least they have FSR to compete with DLSS, but it's not always the same. Hopefully AMD can get more competitive and force Nvidia to compete. Shoot, the 4070ti only has 12gb! That's 3090 performance! It's really unfortunate that this will make the cards age more poorly than they otherwise should.
This was a really cool video to see, your content is getting really good and you deserve the views and subs for it :D, pretty sure it'll be the same with cards like the 1080Ti since it has tons of VRAM to spare alongside being a fast graphics card. Nice video though :D
If you look at the specs and comparisons the 1080ti is almost exactly the same as the 3060, the 1080ti has 384bit memory bus and is faster with raster processing, but the 3060 has DLSS and better drivers now, as well as Ray tracing cores since it plays Control pretty well with RT enabled at least. I was debating between the two for £300 on ebay, went for the 3060 and since upgraded to a 2K 240hz screen and it runs all my games pretty well, older ones at higher fps of course but even newer ones at 60+ full graphics mostly, which is surprising to me I wasn't expecting it to cope well at 2K
Lol, same for me bro in 2016 I made my new pc with gtx 960 and the gpu broken this year after a windows update where the gpu was missing from the system, after everything I choose to buy a new pc and I buy it 3060 eagle 12g vram(325€) still extensive in my country.
Great video, well done and thank you. X-Plane 12 is another prime example of high VRAM usage, especially when using photographic scenery + OSM autogen.
if 3060 ti had 16 or atleast 12gb vram then definitely it would be the best card ever, but since future proofing is a considerable thing, atleast 12gb vram gpus should be considered, 192bit is low but not that low, 12gb 192bit is much better that 8gb 256bit. horizon zero, Valhalla , fc6, cyberpunk , cod warzone, ghostwire can consume 8gb + vram even in 1080p ultra sometimes, so definitely future games will consume even more to run just the games rx 6750xt, rx 6700xt, rtx 3060 , arc a770 16gb are the best affordable perfect vram cards now
I'm looking for a cheap card to build an eGPU for some light gaming but mostly work. Pretty much settled on a 12GB 3060, nothing else really fits the profile of what I need in the budget I have. I'd love a 16GB Nvidia card, none exist in this price bracket or even close so 12GB 3060 it is.
I kind of enjoy how he speaks to the audience and has a sense of humor lol. Came here only to decide if I should get a low-end PNY 3070 or an ASUS Dual 3060 haha brand comparison. Stayed for fun
If you got the answer, please let me know 😄 I need the gpu just for 4K video editing and some 3D modeling. And I want to use two WQHD monitors. Right now I’m looking at the MSI RTX 3060 (Ti) VENTUS 3X. 12GB vs 8GB. I‘m really unsure about this.
@@marcol.9125 Hey Marco I've upgraded my last 1060 GTX with a 192 bit bus for a ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 DUAL 12GB OC V2 obviously 12 GB but the same BUS, 192bit Also i lately updated my rig to 32GB ram for the PC, and i gotta say before when i had 16 gigs some game were lagging n such at high end. For gaming i would go with a 256 bit card, but for video editing not sure tho... If i had to go back i'd take 3060 Ti with 8 GIGS and 256bit of bus
@@BANIAAAAK hey, thanks for your fast reply by the way 👍🏼 I finally went for the 3060 with 12 GB. As you mentioned, for gaming a faster gpu would be better, but for my needs I chose more ram over speed. Just remembered that in the past there where cases when the video and 3D program alerted too less ram and crashed. Don’t want that in the future 😬
I sure hope that 3070Ti (16GB) comes around soon, should age well like with that V-RAM buffer.. 🤔 Just wish it was closer to a 3080 like the old 2070 Super was practically stock 2080 performance.
You know, if you guys have a working Vega 56 or 64 laying around somewhere in your inventory....could you maybe see what an HBCC memory allocation would do with this same test? For sure, it's not going to be similar to performance as the 3060 12GB, but I'm actually curious what would happen.
@@CoilWhine Not sure as I have never owned a Fury, but even though the Fury does have HBM memory, I think HBCC was a Vega and Vega 2nd generation thing. I also think that was a hardware based addition to Vega, so I doubt even if you tried NimeZ modded drivers you'd get access to HBCC. (I only say this because apparently with Vega and NimeZ modded drivers there are things that are normally closed that somehow are working when you use them. For example, it's been said with Vega, you can get to SAM work on it - I haven't tried it yet)
Performance drops the moment vram usage passes into reserved vram. Such the case already with 2022 titles like Ghostwire Tokyo by the way. This scenario will be much sooner, unfortunately. Soon, 8gb of vram will barely be enough.
I recently brought a 3070 because i didnt really need more performance than what it offered, but now i am kinda seeing the problem with only 8gb of vram. Which got me thinking should i change my card, i want to create content and do 1440p/ light 4k gaming, so should i just switch over to the 12 gb RX6750 XT? Because the 12gb 3060 cards are still going for quite the penny
Like you say texture pool size doesn't make a perceivable difference, you're just telling the game to use too much vram for the sake of breaking it. I think 8gb for 1440p should be okay for a while, with maybe the odd tweak to some settings after 2-3 years but games will be more demanding then anyway so I'll be using medium settings anyway on my 3070 laptop.
Yeah, this was mostly a fun experiment more than a "DON'T BUY A 3070" video. The 3070 is a solid card (I'd personally buy a 3060ti if MSRP was an option), and at 1440p you should be fine for a long time. I'm mostly just annoyed that they can market the 3070 as a "2080ti for 500 bucks" when you _really_ can't do 4k on it if games start pulling more vram. Enjoy the laptop, 1440p should be solid!
So I render and do Ai apps, I already have a Asus 3090 tuf and I just picked up a tuf 3060. I want to run both to render and I don't play ANY games. Thanks for the video.
That isn't true tho the smaller memory bus means even the future it won't be able to use that 12gb unless strange use cases like this the 3070 will still win
So you are upscaling to 4k with the virtual/dynamic super resolution, then downscaling back to 1080p (sometimes lower) with DLSS, which then upscales it again? My brain hurts. But I'll give it to you, you predicted the exact crisis that most of 2023 has been plagued with, namely VRAM, even at 1080p. Damned be current gen consoles making 8GB cards obsolete, am I right?
Yeah, it's a cycle with the console releases. I've been there before and I remember running out of vram modding original skyrim so I had a good hunch about this one. As for the scaling, I pretty much just ran the game at 4k and downscaled it to 1080p for some _sick_ anti aliasing quality. It was definitely a stretch though, we didn't have hogwarts, re4, or anything else out yet! I gotta say too, the 3060 really impressed me there. I currently use it to play around with AI, the extra vram really comes in clutch there!
@@CoilWhine I was looking to get my hands on a 3060 for AI related stuff as well, seems like I should just pull the trigger. Albeit I already own a 3080TI in my main rig (soon to be replaced with a 4080) but I like to keep my workloads separated. Last i remember I had any VRAM issues was way back when I where still rocking an R9 380 4GB. NieR Automata could run into problems at times with that one. Great video though. I do think it helps to spread awareness of the VRAM limits (looking at a certain green colorschemed company here) some cards have, even though they still have plenty with horsepower.
Really glad I found your video! Solid real world demonstration. I've been trying to decide between 3060/3070 and wondering how much of an issue the VRAM limit really is. Seems to be mixed opinions all over TH-cam. Coming from a 1660 Super 6Gb and gaming at 1440p... I'm now much more inclined to save money and opt for the 3060 12Gb ($330 MSRP). If the 3060Ti ever comes down near it's $400 MSRP, my decision will be less clear. But the 8Gb Ti still concerns me about future proofing, even though it seems to perform ~30% better on titles rn from what I've found.
the 3060 is a decent card, though I'd double check the benchmarks for your favorite titles. FSR/DLSS helps a card punch above it's weight nowadays. Also, a 3060ti at MSP is probably my favorite card, it's the 3070 at inflated prices that really throws me off.
@@CoilWhine Yeah I'm confused why the 3070 doesn’t have at least 10gb vram. If I was gonna aim higher than the 3060Ti, what would be the next card you would consider?
@@CoilWhine why is a 8gb GPU your favourite card? Isn't that the whole point of the video showing how limiting 8 GB can be? I'm confused, as I am in the market for a 3060ti.
@@jelly8594 It's about price/performance. The 3060ti is pretty dang fast, and most people won't run into my crazy scenario with the 3070 in this video. This was more of a demo of why VRAM can matter, especially when the 3070 was billed as a 2080ti replacement (when the 2080ti has much more vram). The 3060ti is a great card if you can get a decent price, and it's a solid card for 1440p. For 4k though, I'd definitely get a higher end card (and make sure it's got more vram!) like the 3080 12gb.
Thanks for such an interesting observation. I just bought a 3070 FE for gpu rendering and graphics and 3d work but for gaming use cases you are correct about going with 3060.
I mean, for 3d rendering and such 12gb is a lot more mandatory than for games, the 3070 will limit you a lot unless you are rendering like one model with one texture of 512 pixels 😆😆
I'm planing to buy a 30-serie graphics card soon, and searching used market. I'm using my computer mostly to edit clips in Adobe premiere. Is the vram used there? If a 3060 12gb is better for me than a 3070 8gb? I have read somewhere that memory bus width is good to have in adobe, and there 3070 have 256 compared to 3060 192...
@@CoilWhine ok so if there is a card slot on my AMD Ryzen 7 I couldn’t buy another RTX2060 to add on ? Or does it just not work that way 🤣 I don’t know too much forgive me
@@BFaulkPlaylists Dual GPUs for gaming is pretty much gone nowadays. You used to be able to run two or more GPUs (SLI for Nvidia, Crossfire for AMD), but the technology never really scaled well and you had all kinds of microstuttering and whatnot. Even then though you couldn't combine the VRAM (IE- 3070 + 3070 did not equal 16gb), it was simply duplicated. DirectX12 was supposed to allow multiple GPUs and combined VRAM but that never caught on either.
What can you say about issues people have with Hynix vram manuf on TI versions? Need your opinion please
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Hi, it's great video about bottleneck! people always talk about less vram is enough. I don't know, it may be that the pr experts of the companies provide this and convince the communities. A gaming card should have a minimum vram of 12-16 gb. not accepting this can be explained by inexperience or ignorance. In my tests, I've seen cases where the rtx 3060 is much better than the rtx 3070. Until the 8gb vram is full, the rtx 3070 performs much better. When 8gb of vram is full, the rtx 3060 performs tens of times better. Who buys the rtx 3070 wants to believe he has a better card than the rtx 3060 in any case. but the truth is not like that. rtx 3060 is a much better card when 8gb vram is exceeded. if the rtx 3070 came out with 16gb vram, it would last for many years because it's a very fast card. I told that the reason for the aging of this card would be 8 gb vram. Of course they didn't believe. They mentioned vram speed etc. Why would people buy a more expensive card if they're going to bother not filling up 8gb of vram? No matter how fast the vram is, it is useless when full. like a ram. imagine 2 gb 6400 mhz ddr5 ram trying open a chrome on windows 11. speed totally useless if vram or ram filled. When the vram is full, games automatically lower the texture quality. Although it looks ultra, you will see medium or low. We call this utilization. Many people are unaware of this. We bought 12 gb rtx 3060 for all our adobe photoshop & davinci resolve workstation machines. The most functional card I've ever seen. 12gb vram for $329 is amazing. Saved us from buying the rtx a series gpu. When you install nvidia studio driver, you get real professional experience in programs. Thanks a lot for video. Finally someone said that the king is naked.
Damn, this comment is the best insight for me. So, at the same price do you think 3060ti 7gb vs 3060 12gb is better for real time 3d rendering purpose? let's say doing archviz project on Unreal Engine 5?
WHY DOES THE 3060 HAVE MORE VRAM THAN THE 3070?!?!? I bought a ge76 with 3070 because they make it sound better, I use it for Lumion.. I could of used the extra 4GB of vram in the 3060 are YOU KIDDING ME?!?!!?!?!?!??!!?
Its partially because of some memory bus shenanigans, but it definitely feels like a huge insult to buyers to save a few bucks. Wait, the 3070TI is also 8gb...cmon nvidia...
I did the Doom Eternal test at 1440p with the 3070 and the 6800 XT, and ultra nightmare texture pool size on top of DLSS. The RTX 3070 pretty much gave me very low FPS, while the 6800 XT kept on chugging along with no issues whatsoever, because of its bigger VRAM bank.
Here in EU the 3060ti and the 3060 12gb has the same price (400 euros) and i play only at 1080p. The TI is a beast and i guess for 1080p i can play at high settings for a while, but the 12gb version is tempting but is less powerful. I don't know what to do...damn. Can someone suggest me?
@@bluemanno7901 In long terms the 3060 12gb is the best choice i think, in fact i changed my mind and i'll buy the AMD rx 6700 xt, basically it's a 3060ti but with a 12gb of ram and it cost 50-80 euros less.
@@chronospeedster1916 yes I've just been looking into that. all the rx 6700 I find are like $20 more. Is it really equal to the rtx 3060 ti in performance? Plus the extra 4gb of ram?
@@bluemanno7901 Yep and in some situation is better. Of course in nVidia optimized games the 3060ti can gain about 10fps more but it's nothing compared to have 4gb vram more and, trust me, that can save your life in the future. Now the 3060ti seems the right card to buy for his price but it's not, to me, i watched a lot of benchmark and the 6700 xt is basically the same with low cost for your wallet. I'll buy the amd card for sure, too scared because the bad optimized games of nowdays :/
@chronospeedster1916 perhaps I'll get the 6700 xt, because the people saying that the 8gb won't age well make me nervous about getting the 3060 ti, even though it slightly outperfomes the 6700 xt overall right now.
gonna upgrade from a geforce 740gt to a 3060 or 3070 ... yeah, I know, wtf. Anyhoo, it will be a laptop 3060 with only 6gb vram. Will it be sufficient for some heavy video editing and content creation or should I go with the 3070 instead? I know that davinci resolve f.e. is more happy with the 8gb, but it's a bit more expensive than the 3060...
From what i understand memory bandwidth is more important for production workloads so a wider memory bus should work better but i could be wrong i haven't tested it
For a lot of thinks like Nvidia Cuda the more vram is essencial. Running with lower bandwith on the 3060 with more vram is better because you can run higher Resolution in models, slower, but with only 8 GB vram on the the 3070 that wouldn'twork at all.
It is outputting 4k, it's supersampling. It renders at 4k then scales it to 1080p, it's not 100% accurate, but it's enough to saturate the frame buffer for the comparison.
I have 3070 on 1440P and in newer games I set the textures to High quality. That's enough and you don't know the difference from Ultra in most newer games. But under load, yes. Most of the ultra on high textures I am able to reduce the graphics memory by 1-2GB. + I do not play preset games. I set the shadows to medium, post processing to high, water to ultra. I'll set most to high and that's enough. But I don't want to defend Nvidia again. She could supply at least 10GB at 3070. Instead, they issue 2060 + 3060 12Gb and 3070 Ti 16Gb and they think someone will buy the cards after a year.
Yeah the settings I was using were kinda...insane. It's still just annoying to see a card of that calibur paired with that amount of vram. Just a minor nitpick and am interesting scenario down the road
Just upgraded my rig to Sabertooth z97 mark 1 + i74790k + Gtx 1080 To MSI z390a pro + i79700 + zotac Rtx 3070. Playing games in 2560x1080 75hz monitor. Prob gnne get a second 165hz monitor for playing fps. I can win matches with 75hz but vsync of and m slaying so yeah. Prob upgrade next year of the year after to 3080 or 3090 r so. I'll see
so the takeaway from this video is: in the FEW GAMES out there that use super optimized engines which can pump out an incredible number of FPS at 4k, like doom eternal or racing games, the 3060 12 GB will keep smooth sailing at 4k while the 3060ti, the 3070 and 3070ti crap themselves once the 8GB threshold is crossed. BUT in most OTHER games, the engine becomes so demanding at 4k that the 3060, which already outputs some 35 fps less than the 3070ti in most games, will chug along just as bad as a 3070ti but not due to lack of vram but due to lack of rasterization power.
What's funny is that the 3060 can run 1440p RT on re4 remake at a respectable ~45 fps, but the 3070 crashes to desktop www.techpowerup.com/review/resident-evil-4-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/4.html or Last of us where the 3070 has higher average, but check out those minimums at 1080p ultra. Not 1440p, not 4k, but 1080p... www.techspot.com/review/2656-the-last-of-us-gpu-benchmark/ It's becoming a trend too. We've had hogwarts legacy, re4, and last of us all come out in recent times, and all of them demand insane amounts of vram at resolutions where a 3070 should crush it. Hell, the 3080 10gb is starting to feel like an insult, since it's starting to struggle where the 12gb can still keep up.
Now I'm in a bit of a pickle. Don't know if anyone can help me on this but I got the Aourus Master 3070 for like 350. Should I go ahead and try to sell it before things get worse or is that a fine enough deal? I have 1080p 60hz atm but I'm planning to go with 1440p 60hz+ or 1080 120ish hz. Any help is appreciated. Still pretty messed up for people that got these things at full price all the same.
at 1080p the 3060ti will easily beat the regular 3060. I also can't think of a gaming scenario where a 1080p title will use more than the 8gbs of vram on the 3060ti
I‘ll also use my gpu only for 4K video editing and some 3D animation, no gaming, and I‘m going to use two WQHD monitors. So the question is, 12GB 3060 or 8GB 3060 Ti? What would you choose? I’m looking at the MSI GeForce RTX 3060 (Ti) VENTUS 3X right now.
@Coil Whine I have a big dilemma ... should I buy rx6700xt or rtx 3070 for 1440p gaming ... after this video I'm close to buying rx 6700xt :) I guess that's your advice too?
@@CoilWhine game developers won't b abandoning 8gb vram atleast for 4 yrs. at 1080p 8gb is perfect at ultra setting. more than 8gb vram is needed for atleast 1440p and 4k resolution. 1080 ti 11gb 2080 ti 11gb , 3080 10gb or 6700xt upwards are the cards one shudlook for
It really depends on how crazy you're going to get with your games. If you're running 4k, it gets a little dicey, but DLSS helps a bit. Worst case scenario, you just drop the texture size a bit and you'll be fine, especially at 1440p. This was an extreme test to see what would happen under crazy circumstances. Enjoy the card!
@@CoilWhine it’s like you said 8gbs is not cutting it on some games now. Imagine in 5 years probably have to have like 16gb of VRAM or higher for AAA games.
That's where a lot of the radeons shine. The 3080 with it's 10gb is _better_ but still less than a 2080ti! Shoot, I ran out of vram with my 3070 running cyberpunk after the patch the other day, crazy stuff
@@oliverwilliam6931 Depends on the use case. If this is a person who only upgrades every 5 or so years, a 3090 will definitely still be a powerhouse by then. The math is interesting too, especially with inflation and the overall increase in GPU prices over the years. It legit could be a better deal to buy the big boy GPU now if you don't like upgrading every year or two.
12 gig laughing stock? Play war zone on that ti, and you'll bottleneck when you literally run out of vram lol. So it's a laughing stock today and steams most used gpu tomorrow
Ghostwire Tokyo, for example, uses more than 7.4 gb of vram at 1080p. Vram bottlenecking is already happening, and 8gb of vram is almost already outdated.
@@Sudegink It's 4k with memory pool cranked all the way. Definitely not relevant to 1080 gamers, just a theoretical for future 1440p + gamers. A 3070 at 1080p is very, very fast. Just try to see if it was mined on. Luckily, a 3070 is only running GDDR6, rather than the 6x that you get on the 3080 and above. The 6x likes to fail when mined on due to the power draw.
@@mentalhell4846 You're probably fine for the time being, though games seem to be less and less optimized lately. Hopefully the devs stop being insane and let us run 1080p with 8gb of vram RTX might be rough though unfortunately
So the vram is why it runs at like 40fps on 3070 unless I "trick" it into running right? I sometimes have to turn graphics to low then back to ultra to get it up to the 100 something plus fps. But Ive heard alot of different places doom had some issues to where you would have to trick it to work again because even sometimes when everything's on low it still has the same fps takes a few times to get it working so it actually might be doom that is messed up with memory or leak or something idk
You could be experience a memory leak, though this video was mostly a "worst case" or "future" scenario. In doom I'd drop the "texture pool size" down from ultra nightmare to just regular nightmare. It's really what made the 3070 choke, and all it does is reduce pop-in a little bit. Not super noticeable. Otherwise texture size and resolution are the other big hitters in vram usage.
@@CoilWhine only thing is I can put all the settings to low and itll still do the same unless I switch it to low then ultra then back to low then ultra a few times
What title are you running again? Is it just DOOM, or other games? It could be a memory leak, since changing your settings should clear out the frame-buffer. I've also had luck with alt-tabbing in and out a few times, though you might have to run in fullscreen to do that (alt+enter should swap between window'd and full screen btw)
@@CoilWhine it's doom eternal and that's the only game doesn't matter if I alt tab or not I have to change the settings to all low then back 10 to 20 times or turn rtx off then back on sometimes also I just have to trick it for It to work then it'll do all ultra with rtx on 1440p dlss quality over 120fps even more can't remember been awhile since I played it. Don't think it's vram limit because it'll do it with everything low and rtx off also. I think its a thing with dlss messing it up because that's what I heard along time ago
@@CoilWhine thats for sure, but curent hardware is unable to run AAA games at 4k 144fps+ at verry high/Ultra. Thats Why I went with 1440p 144hz screen insted of 4k/60hz. 4k/120fps screens are out of my price range anyway.
Its like my old radeon 7850. I spent the extra money on a 2gb one and it really made the card age more gracefully. Well that and AMD finewine™ (aka we can't build drivers at launch). The 1gb card would've been frustrating because it was perfectly sufficient for 1080p at launch but games started using more vram within 1080p. I'm curious to see what 1440p games use in the next 5 years
Games going over 8gb vram is kinda unrealistic until the next generation of consoles. Most games are going to be able to run between 4-8gb vram to fit on the xbox series s/x and ps5.
@@CoilWhine lol these are garbage lazy optimized games with graphics that don't justify such high vram usage ... GOW, Spiderman and Forza don't require 8 gigs of vram
I'd avoid the 3060ti if you already have a 3060. While the performance jump will be decent, I personally think that it's better to hold off until the 4000 series/ radeon 7000 series unless you're seriously having issues running your games.
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Been using 3060 for a while now. And man it rocks in production (video editing, 3D modelling, rendering stuff) plus using it in heavy gaming (COD, BF5, RDR). All around little beast.
I think the 3060 is gonna age nicely and were gonna joke about the bad rap it was given on launch for "overpriced and having too much vram"
@@CoilWhine yep. It was just given a bad rap by some hyped tech channels for the views.
Bought one as well the, the gainward ghost version.
And honestly as you said.. It is a lil beast.
What brand is it besides nvidia like Asus or Gigabyte or what?
Most of tech channels are being paid to try to sell something anyway, it's a common knowledge if a competitor can paid them to talk trash about their counterparts.
I picked up a 3060 12gb last year. It runs everything I have thrown its way at 1080p with a comfortable amount of fps. I upgraded from a GTX 1050 ti so playing nearly every game I tackled on Ultra settings has been mind blowing. You served me well my 1050 ti!
i've been using the legendary 1050 ti for like 4 years. Unfortunately my pc broke and im considering if i should grab 3060 ti with 12gigs or 3070 8gigs, any advices?
@@jakisrandom826 As far as I know the 3060 ti is not a 12gb version. The 12gb one is the non-ti version. The 3060 ti is 8gb and is stronger than the 12gb model. And it is reasonable to believe the 3070 is even stronger than that. The appeal of the 3060 12gb non-ti is probably its vram size. I say go for the best value for your needs and affordability.
@@jakisrandom826 hey 1050 ti squad, me myself is probably going for the 3060 12gigs, personally think its more worth for the price, but im not the type of guy that has to have the graphics cranked at ultra, i just want some smooth fps, and my 4gigs of vram and my dying i5 7500k is not liking the games ive wanted to play recently xD
@@Bel_Zuva And i should add that im personally afraid that the 8gigs of vram will feel as limited as my 4gigs that i have right now in a few years which makes me want the 12gigs more for future proofing.
I did the same but my previous card was the rx480 8Gb, I sooo picked the right card in that price back then and think I did the same with the 3060. 8Gb was laughable in the 30 series cards and is just insane in the 40 series.
That desktop is hilarious. I'm a card carrying 3060 owner and Im happy I got it. Having 12gb of vram makes me feel like my card has some staying power for a while. I imagine in less than 5 years 8gb of vram will be as limiting as 4gb feels now. Good vid.
Its a solid card, the vram might actually justify its less than optimal (if not real) msrp
I'm a first time PC builder and this whole question is racking my brain. Right now I have the MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3060 12GB in my newegg cart. I know newegg is kind of a rip off. Is that card ok for games like Hell Let Loose or Tarkov at 1440p? Like I said I'm new to this. If there's a better card for the same price range could you recommend it?
@@irish2772 look up some benchmarks but I can't imagine it getting under a 1440p60 experience in those games, depends on the optimization
The 3060 will run out of steam before it runs out of vram
@@irish2772 honestly I’d either go with a gigabyte card or a evga card. The ventris line is kind of a shit line. I’ve had several 1660 supers in that line and tried a 2060 super, they’re ugly and a bit limited on their over clocking.
I'm a texture artist this is why choosing a high VRAM is one of the greatest factor since 2012.
I saw Linus' video wayback that high VRAM is not really important for GPU. It's a specialized card for specialized people.
no it’s specialized for better performance
Linus is a nvidia fanboy pure and simple. He literally hates AMD and doesn't even try to hide it. Partly that's butthurt over old Radeon encoders because his actual profession is video editing and rendering for a living and Radeon's GCN encoders etc sucked. But he is still a fanboy, and it is still a cope for nVidia's notoriously bad VRAM. It was nVidia who got hit with literally a class action lawsuit over their VRAM practices--and lost, being forced to pay millions in compensation to 3.5gb GTX 970 owners. Why does this matter is because swapping to system RAM after running out of video memory causes crashing and stuttering. They always put just enough on their 80ti to stay relevant, then gimped lower end cards with just enough to last until next marketing cycle. This matters for games a lot at ultra settings, especially high texture memory and raytracing that use lots of vram. 3070 ages badly for that reason. That's why it's basically a 1080p card despite being fast enough for light 4k. Ironically it'd be some of the most premium hardware if it wasn't run like some coconut banging tinpot company out of a van in Brooklyn. If it just had 12gb VRAM it'd still be a relevant gaming card. But it's not. So at 1440p you have to lower settings or watch it stutter and crash.
for laptops, even though 4080m and 4090m is only 4gb vram and 10% performance difference, the latter can push higher resolutions or pushing extreme load like multiple android emulators and a game at the same time, vram already ran above 14gb, so 4080m just lag out at that point due to running out of vram. my load is pretty specialized though
Linus is not a computer engineer, he's a tech affiliator . More VRAM gives significant advantage, specifically if you're an AI developer.
yes, they simply just told people they dont need 8gb or high vram back then, until a day since 2023? they suddently turn on by something and tell people 8gb is outdated. the day nvidia finally put enough of vram on to their card
GTX 770 had 2GB VRAM, typically. Then we got (kinda) 4GB with 970, then 8GB with 1070, then 8gb once again with 2070. And then again with 3070? Nvidia what the hell are you doing. We should be on 32GB of vram by now lol.
How we gonna sell you a new one next year if your old one still has enough vram?
You don't need 32gigs of vram. 12 is almost too much. Almost lol.
@@mattalford3932 Play flight sim in VR and suddenly VRAM is an issue.
Or max the sliders on cyberpunk after the last update....Mr 3070 was struggling hard there.
32gb today is insane, but you never know about 3 -5 years from now. I remember when 2gb was perfect for 1080p gaming, now you're honestly looking at 4-6gb for it.
Game devs are like a gas, they expand to fill whatever sized container you give them.
You give them 2gb of vram, they'll stay mostly in that space. You give them 32gb of vram and suddenly you're getting some crazy utilization
@@CoilWhine RTX 3060 12gb struggles in Cyberpunk ??? May I buy this GPU to program some games in Unreal 5? It could handle perfectly?? My objective is to build a simple RPG (no top-notch graphics to be honest)..
@@CatWAVE-qq1gs everything struggles in cyberpunk, but 3060s work great if not being slightly overpriced
We're seeing this more now. Games launching this year are consistently going over 8GBs of VRAM, sometimes even at 1080p. There are some tests where even the 4060 loses to the 3060 simply because of VRAM.
Most of them only on ultra tho. Look at your priotities, graphics or fps? If it's the late an 8gb card is more than enough. Otherwise you probally should aim for 12 at 1080p and 16 at 1440p.
I'm not arguing one way or another. I'm simply telling people that a 12GB card actually has benefits that a lot of tech reviewers overlook.
You shouldn't be making a GPU purchase based off of VRAM anyways.@@TheEmolano
The 4060 also has a 128-bit bus vs the 3060’s 192-bit. 4060s are kinda garbage.
The 4060 doesn't loose simply because of vram, the 4060 looses to a 3060ti which has 8gb of vram just like the 4060...so no, its simply made weaker than its previous version 3060ti...
This vid made me feel good abt my rtx 3060 its a solid card for the future cuz of the vram
Honestly using the card for a few weeks and then making this video made me appreciate it a lot more than I expected. It's definitely not deserving of the hate in this market, especially with the lowered mining rate. Solid card, it's just overshadowed by the 3060 ti.
Hope you enjoy yours!
@@CoilWhine It also overclocks like nuts in most cases.
@@modrribaz1691 What do you mean? Overclocking can really boost its potential a lot?
@@beesmongeese2978 That's what lots of other reviewers got, and what I got on my own 3060
T h a n k y o u
In 2015 I was shopping for a decent GPU and the GTX 960 4GB caught my attention how much vram it have at the time (4GB vram is pretty decent in 2015). That card serves me sooo well and held up until 2 months ago when I decide to upgrade to a whole new system. Naturally the RTX 3060 12GB got my attention due to again its massive vram. I think it's going to future proof pretty good.
Congrats on the upgrade, I'm sure a 960 to a 3060 must've been one wild leap!
Try to tell me what you upgrade to next time in...2029?
@@CoilWhine It is a HUGE difference. I mainly game on my old 144hz 1080p monitor so most games are pretty smooth. In 2029 I'd probably get a 32GB RTX 8060 haha.
@@CoilWhine i just got a 3060 too i love itttt
@@Vesper778 maybe xd
at 1080p you'll be fine mostly, but you won't be able to run everything at max settings (AAA games, next gen titles). The 3060 will fall behind in rasterization before it runs out of VRAM, especially since you're on 1080p where 8GB or VRAM is usually more than enough. You should be solid for at least 2-3 years though.
And here we are in 2023 and you were right :)
If you do any video editing or 3d rendering vram is extremely important. If you run out and it falls back to system ram, dear god will that nerf your render times. When a single frame can be the difference between many minutes and only a couple.
Oh lord for sure, running out of VRAM in any case feels awful, I can't image when you're doing a long render
I've had a 1660Super which served me gracefully, especially since I was at 1080P resolution. Now, I went 1440P with 3060 12GB and couldn't be happier. Oh, and at least I bought it new 320€ while on the user reviews 7-8 months ago, they paid 700-800€ and were still happy, poor souls. My slight regret is my old card could break at least a month later so I'd buy 4060. The new 4000 series does not bring that big of a jump in terms of performance, but man, it's as efficient AF. Many less watts needed for same or better performance, but anyway. At least it supports DirectX 12_2 Ultimate (the 12GB version).
I recently played the last of us (pc) on my rtx 2060 12gb and I’m glad I bought this card. My friends laughed at me for buying this version of the card but now all of them who had the 6gb versions and rtx 3050 8gb are now suffering.😂
I'm upgrading from a 4gb 1050 TI to a 12gb 3060 and I've never been as excited for it as I am now
Oh that's going to be a riot, enjoy the upgrade!
I’m upgrading from the same card aswell
i wanna uprade my 1050ti to a 2060 12gb
I heavily roasted this card when it came out because its rasterization was so pathetic compared to the 3060 ti, and it having more VRAM than a higher performing card was useless since it would most likely be a 1080p card, and that VRAM makes it more expensive than it needed to be.
I still roast it because it's a shit card in the 3000 lineup (but so is the 3070 ti with its measely 8GB), but damn am I mad at Nvidia for giving a low powered card that much VRAM when they should have been packing 10 GB+ into the 3060 ti (10 GB), the 3070 (12 GB), and 3070 ti (12GB). THAT would have made more sense. MY 1070 ti had 8 GB... what the hell Nvidia.
The 3060 is technically more suited for 4K gaming even if you run it on low settings compared to the higher priced cards which can theorically handle higher rasterization. It's like they completely forgot that games have been getting more VRAM demanding. Or they did this intentionally to force sales of the 4000 series - which is funny cause sales are at an all time low. So they better get their act together and start being consumer friendly or they'll feel the losses.
It's not a "shit card", it's just overpriced most of the time. Put that sucker a bit under MSRP and it's a steal.
I agree though, Nvidia really screwed us over with the VRAM amounts. Then they decide to release cards like the 3080 12gb, showing that it wasn't a technical limitation, but a financial decision to gimp a card that fast.
Right now I'm rooting for AMD and even Intel to get their shit together, we need someone to put the pressure on Nvidia, this is just getting out of hand
Well congratulations finding a very high vram scenario. I didnt know you could crank doom that high. Very good demonstration of what happens when you run out of vram. Obviously its not that practical but very good demonstration. I develop a webgl app and im always afraid of users showing up to my site with only 2gb vram. My app just craps itself. 4gb is totally fine while 2gb is less than 1fps.
Yeah, the moment you hit system memory is the moment you alt-f4 and go to bed.
It's also depressing when you have to drop settings because you run out of vram, even though your GPU core can still give you more.
had similar issues with my 2060 6gb when playing forza on ultra settings (couldve played extreme on 30-45fps). as soon as i started an event the game started trippin and that was the moment i knew the 6gb vram was a red flag. fortunately i was able to return the gpu but unfortunately i have to spend an extra 100 to get the 3060 which i’ll do at the end of the week.
Just play on the high preset, then set cars and shaders to ultra you should get around 80fps. Theres no point running the game at ultra it looks pretty much the same as high with much lower fps.
@@yeetus59 i already returned it, the gpu had other issues as well so i ended up upgrading it.
Love your screen name.
It's weird how defensive people get when you try to explain to them how important VRAM can be lol. Especially on Reddit, I told someone a little over a year ago that the 2060 6gb wasn't a great card to buy in 2022 at $279 and i got attacked by multiple people saying it would be "great" for 1080p and a little 1440p for a good while. LMAO it was terrible advice with new games now targeting the Series X and PS5.
Yeah, it's been fun seeing the community suddenly shift from "it's fine" to "NVIDIA greedy!".
I've been here before lmao, it's a shame that these great gpu cores are being held back by the vram.
It feels really bad to have extra headroom left but have an instant crash to desktop if i try to run RTX on the RE4 remake
Just recently picked up a 3060 12gb for $250 brand new. It is easily the #1 graphics card for entry level content creation/video editing.
I got a Pc with 3070 and the power system sparked, so I sent everything back, and now I’m getting a 3060 on my new pc, and I was worried 3060 wouldn’t be nearly as good as 3070. This made me feel slightly better.
Yeah, the 3060 is a surprising card, it definitely ran better than I expected, and the extra vram is handy if you mess with stuff besides gaming (stablediffusion eats vram for example).
Sorry to hear about the PSU, I just had mine die recently. Enjoy the card though!
Is rtx 3060 the better choice than rtx 3060 ti because of the 12gb ram size? rtx 3060 ti is currently $45 more than rtx 3060
I've been playing around with artificial intelligence large language models on a variety of Nvidia cards. The 3060 is a beast and will happily execute many AI models that the 3060ti will just crash when attempting to load. The 3090 is cheap enough now that the 3060 is relegated to other tasks, but it's still a great card & will continue to be useful for the foreseeable future.
Yeah, I actually have a 6900xt as my gaming card and the 3060 12gb as my llama card. The radeon works if the stars align in linux (rocm!!!), but the 3060 is plenty fast with a 4bit gptq and exllama going on.
Also used 3090s are such a good value, I'm constantly thinking about it for AI
I can't wait for Intel and AMD to catch up to Nvidia engineering in AI applications. Until then, the 3060 12GB will be my workhorse.
@@eggtarts286 Same, I REALLY want to get my hands on a 16gb arc card, just to play with, but it's pretty hard to justify that purchase.
Maybe when their next gen of Arc cards come out I can snag something...
Man with the latest games loving lots of Vram, that 3070 and 3070 ti look like robbery at their MSRPs. They should be selling at much lower prices today. The 3060 ti is also looking slightly overpriced in 2023 at $399. I recently saw a youtubers gamplay video of the Dead Space remake on a 3060 12GB at 4k with dlss and it's very playable with the Vram usage around 9GB. But you can't do that on the more powerful 3060Ti, 3070, 3070 ti at the same settings without massive frame drops because of Nvidia's cheapness with vram smh. lol
Yup. It's a real shame that the AMD cards with good VRAM don't have good RT performance. At least they have FSR to compete with DLSS, but it's not always the same.
Hopefully AMD can get more competitive and force Nvidia to compete.
Shoot, the 4070ti only has 12gb! That's 3090 performance! It's really unfortunate that this will make the cards age more poorly than they otherwise should.
Dude I thought you were Chuck Norris, nice video.
6:59 not the zombie go boom dubstep 😂😂😭😩
This was a really cool video to see, your content is getting really good and you deserve the views and subs for it :D, pretty sure it'll be the same with cards like the 1080Ti since it has tons of VRAM to spare alongside being a fast graphics card.
Nice video though :D
If you look at the specs and comparisons the 1080ti is almost exactly the same as the 3060, the 1080ti has 384bit memory bus and is faster with raster processing, but the 3060 has DLSS and better drivers now, as well as Ray tracing cores since it plays Control pretty well with RT enabled at least. I was debating between the two for £300 on ebay, went for the 3060 and since upgraded to a 2K 240hz screen and it runs all my games pretty well, older ones at higher fps of course but even newer ones at 60+ full graphics mostly, which is surprising to me I wasn't expecting it to cope well at 2K
Lol, same for me bro in 2016 I made my new pc with gtx 960 and the gpu broken this year after a windows update where the gpu was missing from the system, after everything I choose to buy a new pc and I buy it 3060 eagle 12g vram(325€) still extensive in my country.
I have a 3060 and 4k 60Hz monitor. It works nicely.
Great video, well done and thank you. X-Plane 12 is another prime example of high VRAM usage, especially when using photographic scenery + OSM autogen.
if 3060 ti had 16 or atleast 12gb vram then definitely it would be the best card ever, but since future proofing is a considerable thing, atleast 12gb vram gpus should be considered,
192bit is low but not that low, 12gb 192bit is much better that 8gb 256bit.
horizon zero, Valhalla , fc6, cyberpunk , cod warzone, ghostwire can consume 8gb + vram even in 1080p ultra sometimes, so definitely future games will consume even more to run just the games
rx 6750xt, rx 6700xt, rtx 3060 , arc a770 16gb are the best affordable perfect vram cards now
That forest green paint is so 80s.
You know it
I'm looking for a cheap card to build an eGPU for some light gaming but mostly work. Pretty much settled on a 12GB 3060, nothing else really fits the profile of what I need in the budget I have. I'd love a 16GB Nvidia card, none exist in this price bracket or even close so 12GB 3060 it is.
his eyes are crazy, he has crazy eyes.
This is why I bought a RX 6800XT last week. 16GB VRAM will save me for a long time :)
Definitely one of the wins from AMD this gen. Hopefully they can keep it up and we get some FineWineTM from the driver updates
I kind of enjoy how he speaks to the audience and has a sense of humor lol.
Came here only to decide if I should get a low-end PNY 3070 or an ASUS Dual 3060 haha brand comparison.
Stayed for fun
We are simps for Asus
I just bought a 3070 fe for 499 so if you can find that get it. Also have a 3060 Aorus elite not bad but way over paid for it at the time.
What about Bit BUS? even if you have 12GB is 192bit enough? or its better to have 8GB with 256bit?
If you got the answer, please let me know 😄
I need the gpu just for 4K video editing and some 3D modeling. And I want to use two WQHD monitors.
Right now I’m looking at the MSI RTX 3060 (Ti) VENTUS 3X. 12GB vs 8GB. I‘m really unsure about this.
@@marcol.9125 Hey Marco
I've upgraded my last 1060 GTX with a 192 bit bus for a ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 DUAL 12GB OC V2 obviously 12 GB but the same BUS, 192bit
Also i lately updated my rig to 32GB ram for the PC, and i gotta say before when i had 16 gigs some game were lagging n such at high end.
For gaming i would go with a 256 bit card, but for video editing not sure tho...
If i had to go back i'd take 3060 Ti with 8 GIGS and 256bit of bus
@@BANIAAAAK hey, thanks for your fast reply by the way 👍🏼
I finally went for the 3060 with 12 GB. As you mentioned, for gaming a faster gpu would be better, but for my needs I chose more ram over speed. Just remembered that in the past there where cases when the video and 3D program alerted too less ram and crashed. Don’t want that in the future 😬
I sure hope that 3070Ti (16GB) comes around soon, should age well like with that V-RAM buffer.. 🤔 Just wish it was closer to a 3080 like the old 2070 Super was practically stock 2080 performance.
Nvidia loves making ti's the best deal... If they ever come out at this rate
the 3070 ti isn't 16go
@@xplicitfishin the 3070ti isnt 16 gb
@@xplicitfishin no problem
@@xplicitfishin you realize i literally said the same as the guy above to mess with you right ? 😅
Is that window real behind him?
You know, if you guys have a working Vega 56 or 64 laying around somewhere in your inventory....could you maybe see what an HBCC memory allocation would do with this same test? For sure, it's not going to be similar to performance as the 3060 12GB, but I'm actually curious what would happen.
We have a fury
@@CoilWhine Not sure as I have never owned a Fury, but even though the Fury does have HBM memory, I think HBCC was a Vega and Vega 2nd generation thing.
I also think that was a hardware based addition to Vega, so I doubt even if you tried NimeZ modded drivers you'd get access to HBCC.
(I only say this because apparently with Vega and NimeZ modded drivers there are things that are normally closed that somehow are working when you use them. For example, it's been said with Vega, you can get to SAM work on it - I haven't tried it yet)
What about the 3080ti with 12g, which some titles either max it out or very close to do so. How can it be Good for 3-5 years?
No game maxes it out at the Moment even at 4k. It just reserves it but doesnt really use it.
Performance drops the moment vram usage passes into reserved vram. Such the case already with 2022 titles like Ghostwire Tokyo by the way.
This scenario will be much sooner, unfortunately. Soon, 8gb of vram will barely be enough.
I recently brought a 3070 because i didnt really need more performance than what it offered, but now i am kinda seeing the problem with only 8gb of vram.
Which got me thinking should i change my card, i want to create content and do 1440p/ light 4k gaming, so should i just switch over to the 12 gb RX6750 XT? Because the 12gb 3060 cards are still going for quite the penny
3060 ti 12gb do not exist bro what are you talking about?
@@Drumaier omg I just now realized to was in this post when I made it
🤦
If you haven't bought a card yet, don't buy AMD for content creation , they suck at that they are only good in gaming
Still have my 2060. Runs everything I throw at it at 1440.
wich is the latest game you can play at max settings? like ac odysse or so
I play farming simulator 22 at 4k with max settings and all draw distances at 200%, and it stays at 60fps with drops into the high 50s
Like you say texture pool size doesn't make a perceivable difference, you're just telling the game to use too much vram for the sake of breaking it. I think 8gb for 1440p should be okay for a while, with maybe the odd tweak to some settings after 2-3 years but games will be more demanding then anyway so I'll be using medium settings anyway on my 3070 laptop.
Yeah, this was mostly a fun experiment more than a "DON'T BUY A 3070" video. The 3070 is a solid card (I'd personally buy a 3060ti if MSRP was an option), and at 1440p you should be fine for a long time.
I'm mostly just annoyed that they can market the 3070 as a "2080ti for 500 bucks" when you _really_ can't do 4k on it if games start pulling more vram.
Enjoy the laptop, 1440p should be solid!
So I render and do Ai apps, I already have a Asus 3090 tuf and I just picked up a tuf 3060. I want to run both to render and I don't play ANY games. Thanks for the video.
dude...thanks for this. I was trying to decide...and the 3060 is the better value for future proofing
That isn't true tho the smaller memory bus means even the future it won't be able to use that 12gb unless strange use cases like this the 3070 will still win
It's less about the 3060 being outright better, but more about how annoying it is that Nvidia cheaped out on vram with the 3070.
So you are upscaling to 4k with the virtual/dynamic super resolution, then downscaling back to 1080p (sometimes lower) with DLSS, which then upscales it again? My brain hurts.
But I'll give it to you, you predicted the exact crisis that most of 2023 has been plagued with, namely VRAM, even at 1080p. Damned be current gen consoles making 8GB cards obsolete, am I right?
Yeah, it's a cycle with the console releases. I've been there before and I remember running out of vram modding original skyrim so I had a good hunch about this one.
As for the scaling, I pretty much just ran the game at 4k and downscaled it to 1080p for some _sick_ anti aliasing quality. It was definitely a stretch though, we didn't have hogwarts, re4, or anything else out yet!
I gotta say too, the 3060 really impressed me there. I currently use it to play around with AI, the extra vram really comes in clutch there!
@@CoilWhine I was looking to get my hands on a 3060 for AI related stuff as well, seems like I should just pull the trigger. Albeit I already own a 3080TI in my main rig (soon to be replaced with a 4080) but I like to keep my workloads separated. Last i remember I had any VRAM issues was way back when I where still rocking an R9 380 4GB. NieR Automata could run into problems at times with that one.
Great video though. I do think it helps to spread awareness of the VRAM limits (looking at a certain green colorschemed company here) some cards have, even though they still have plenty with horsepower.
Really glad I found your video! Solid real world demonstration. I've been trying to decide between 3060/3070 and wondering how much of an issue the VRAM limit really is. Seems to be mixed opinions all over TH-cam. Coming from a 1660 Super 6Gb and gaming at 1440p... I'm now much more inclined to save money and opt for the 3060 12Gb ($330 MSRP). If the 3060Ti ever comes down near it's $400 MSRP, my decision will be less clear. But the 8Gb Ti still concerns me about future proofing, even though it seems to perform ~30% better on titles rn from what I've found.
the 3060 is a decent card, though I'd double check the benchmarks for your favorite titles. FSR/DLSS helps a card punch above it's weight nowadays.
Also, a 3060ti at MSP is probably my favorite card, it's the 3070 at inflated prices that really throws me off.
@@CoilWhine Yeah I'm confused why the 3070 doesn’t have at least 10gb vram. If I was gonna aim higher than the 3060Ti, what would be the next card you would consider?
@@voidboi0 12gb 3080
@@CoilWhine why is a 8gb GPU your favourite card? Isn't that the whole point of the video showing how limiting 8 GB can be? I'm confused, as I am in the market for a 3060ti.
@@jelly8594 It's about price/performance. The 3060ti is pretty dang fast, and most people won't run into my crazy scenario with the 3070 in this video.
This was more of a demo of why VRAM can matter, especially when the 3070 was billed as a 2080ti replacement (when the 2080ti has much more vram).
The 3060ti is a great card if you can get a decent price, and it's a solid card for 1440p. For 4k though, I'd definitely get a higher end card (and make sure it's got more vram!) like the 3080 12gb.
3070ti does exit I had it over year ago, 3060ti is same as 3070 they both have 8 , only 3060 and 3080 got 12
I have both right now and I play at 1440p the 3060 performance way better in games now
*Sigh if only the ti variants got 12gigs and the RTX 3080tis got 16gig way back then*
Thanks for such an interesting observation. I just bought a 3070 FE for gpu rendering and graphics and 3d work but for gaming use cases you are correct about going with 3060.
I mean, for 3d rendering and such 12gb is a lot more mandatory than for games, the 3070 will limit you a lot unless you are rendering like one model with one texture of 512 pixels 😆😆
Did you find 8GB to be limiting for rendering? 3070 (& 3060ti) is faster than 3060, but it has 8GB vs 12GB.
Yes, it is terrible. I have a 3070 8 GB and it sucks for 3D rendering
I'm planing to buy a 30-serie graphics card soon, and searching used market. I'm using my computer mostly to edit clips in Adobe premiere. Is the vram used there? If a 3060 12gb is better for me than a 3070 8gb? I have read somewhere that memory bus width is good to have in adobe, and there 3070 have 256 compared to 3060 192...
How do I add more vram to my GPU for purposes of mining ? Is there a specific graphics card to obtain ? Love the content 💯
unfortunately you cant really add vram to a gpu, you just kinda have to live with the card you buy.
@@CoilWhine ok so if there is a card slot on my AMD Ryzen 7 I couldn’t buy another RTX2060 to add on ? Or does it just not work that way 🤣 I don’t know too much forgive me
@@BFaulkPlaylists Dual GPUs for gaming is pretty much gone nowadays. You used to be able to run two or more GPUs (SLI for Nvidia, Crossfire for AMD), but the technology never really scaled well and you had all kinds of microstuttering and whatnot. Even then though you couldn't combine the VRAM (IE- 3070 + 3070 did not equal 16gb), it was simply duplicated.
DirectX12 was supposed to allow multiple GPUs and combined VRAM but that never caught on either.
@@BFaulkPlaylists the ryzen 7 is your processer it's a chip behind your fan on your motherboard. Your motherboard would have another GPU slot
VRAM fan girls my rxt 3070 still beats the rtx 3060 and its the future. raw power is better then vram all day
>launches re4 remake
"ah yes, time to flex on everyone with my raw power!
>turns on raytracing
>crash to desktop
welp...
What can you say about issues people have with Hynix vram manuf on TI versions? Need your opinion please
Hi, it's great video about bottleneck!
people always talk about less vram is enough. I don't know, it may be that the pr experts of the companies provide this and convince the communities. A gaming card should have a minimum vram of 12-16 gb. not accepting this can be explained by inexperience or ignorance.
In my tests, I've seen cases where the rtx 3060 is much better than the rtx 3070. Until the 8gb vram is full, the rtx 3070 performs much better. When 8gb of vram is full, the rtx 3060 performs tens of times better. Who buys the rtx 3070 wants to believe he has a better card than the rtx 3060 in any case. but the truth is not like that. rtx 3060 is a much better card when 8gb vram is exceeded. if the rtx 3070 came out with 16gb vram, it would last for many years because it's a very fast card. I told that the reason for the aging of this card would be 8 gb vram. Of course they didn't believe. They mentioned vram speed etc.
Why would people buy a more expensive card if they're going to bother not filling up 8gb of vram?
No matter how fast the vram is, it is useless when full. like a ram. imagine 2 gb 6400 mhz ddr5 ram trying open a chrome on windows 11. speed totally useless if vram or ram filled.
When the vram is full, games automatically lower the texture quality. Although it looks ultra, you will see medium or low. We call this utilization. Many people are unaware of this.
We bought 12 gb rtx 3060 for all our adobe photoshop & davinci resolve workstation machines. The most functional card I've ever seen. 12gb vram for $329 is amazing. Saved us from buying the rtx a series gpu. When you install nvidia studio driver, you get real professional experience in programs.
Thanks a lot for video. Finally someone said that the king is naked.
Damn, this comment is the best insight for me. So, at the same price do you think 3060ti 7gb vs 3060 12gb is better for real time 3d rendering purpose? let's say doing archviz project on Unreal Engine 5?
WHY DOES THE 3060 HAVE MORE VRAM THAN THE 3070?!?!? I bought a ge76 with 3070 because they make it sound better, I use it for Lumion.. I could of used the extra 4GB of vram in the 3060 are YOU KIDDING ME?!?!!?!?!?!??!!?
Its partially because of some memory bus shenanigans, but it definitely feels like a huge insult to buyers to save a few bucks.
Wait, the 3070TI is also 8gb...cmon nvidia...
I did the Doom Eternal test at 1440p with the 3070 and the 6800 XT, and ultra nightmare texture pool size on top of DLSS.
The RTX 3070 pretty much gave me very low FPS, while the 6800 XT kept on chugging along with no issues whatsoever, because of its bigger VRAM bank.
Here in EU the 3060ti and the 3060 12gb has the same price (400 euros) and i play only at 1080p. The TI is a beast and i guess for 1080p i can play at high settings for a while, but the 12gb version is tempting but is less powerful. I don't know what to do...damn. Can someone suggest me?
I'm struggling too! currently rtx 3060 ti is $45 more in the usa than rtx 3060. I guess I should get rtx 3060 because of the 12gb ram?
@@bluemanno7901 In long terms the 3060 12gb is the best choice i think, in fact i changed my mind and i'll buy the AMD rx 6700 xt, basically it's a 3060ti but with a 12gb of ram and it cost 50-80 euros less.
@@chronospeedster1916 yes I've just been looking into that. all the rx 6700 I find are like $20 more. Is it really equal to the rtx 3060 ti in performance? Plus the extra 4gb of ram?
@@bluemanno7901 Yep and in some situation is better. Of course in nVidia optimized games the 3060ti can gain about 10fps more but it's nothing compared to have 4gb vram more and, trust me, that can save your life in the future. Now the 3060ti seems the right card to buy for his price but it's not, to me, i watched a lot of benchmark and the 6700 xt is basically the same with low cost for your wallet. I'll buy the amd card for sure, too scared because the bad optimized games of nowdays :/
@chronospeedster1916 perhaps I'll get the 6700 xt, because the people saying that the 8gb won't age well make me nervous about getting the 3060 ti, even though it slightly outperfomes the 6700 xt overall right now.
Trivium, one of those things i completely forgotten about.
what about a 3080 10gb? enough?
gonna upgrade from a geforce 740gt to a 3060 or 3070 ... yeah, I know, wtf. Anyhoo, it will be a laptop 3060 with only 6gb vram. Will it be sufficient for some heavy video editing and content creation or should I go with the 3070 instead? I know that davinci resolve f.e. is more happy with the 8gb, but it's a bit more expensive than the 3060...
I think you would perfectly fit into the LinusTechTips team, very similar humour ^^
Which one will be more better in Video Editing,Graphics designing and 3D Rendering?? Do you need more ram than 8GBs for these works?
From what i understand memory bandwidth is more important for production workloads so a wider memory bus should work better but i could be wrong i haven't tested it
For a lot of thinks like Nvidia Cuda the more vram is essencial. Running with lower bandwith on the 3060 with more vram is better because you can run higher Resolution in models, slower, but with only 8 GB vram on the the 3070 that wouldn'twork at all.
so basically ... don't use the best textures and 8gb is completely fine.
Yeah textures are hella demanding
this is why 3060 is gonna be the sweet card for the time being, 3070 shouldn't even be 8gb only when 3060 has 12gb it is no brainer
check out the vram usage in the new harry potter game...ouch
This video taught me to go with amd
So you have a 1080p monitor but set the PC to 4K........ then its not running 4K.
It is outputting 4k, it's supersampling. It renders at 4k then scales it to 1080p, it's not 100% accurate, but it's enough to saturate the frame buffer for the comparison.
I have 3070 on 1440P and in newer games I set the textures to High quality. That's enough and you don't know the difference from Ultra in most newer games. But under load, yes. Most of the ultra on high textures I am able to reduce the graphics memory by 1-2GB.
+ I do not play preset games. I set the shadows to medium, post processing to high, water to ultra. I'll set most to high and that's enough.
But I don't want to defend Nvidia again.
She could supply at least 10GB at 3070.
Instead, they issue 2060 + 3060 12Gb and 3070 Ti 16Gb and they think someone will buy the cards after a year.
Yeah the settings I was using were kinda...insane.
It's still just annoying to see a card of that calibur paired with that amount of vram. Just a minor nitpick and am interesting scenario down the road
Well, someone bought 3090 ti tho
I'm confused between 3070 8gb and 3060 12gb can any one asnswer ?
do more VRAM give benefit for today VR games?
Just upgraded my rig to
Sabertooth z97 mark 1 + i74790k + Gtx 1080
To
MSI z390a pro + i79700 + zotac Rtx 3070.
Playing games in 2560x1080 75hz monitor. Prob gnne get a second 165hz monitor for playing fps.
I can win matches with 75hz but vsync of and m slaying so yeah.
Prob upgrade next year of the year after to 3080 or 3090 r so. I'll see
you're definitely solid at that res, sounds like a solid build!
I think he might be stoned.
so the takeaway from this video is:
in the FEW GAMES out there that use super optimized engines which can pump out an incredible number of FPS at 4k, like doom eternal or racing games, the 3060 12 GB will keep smooth sailing at 4k while the 3060ti, the 3070 and 3070ti crap themselves once the 8GB threshold is crossed.
BUT in most OTHER games, the engine becomes so demanding at 4k that the 3060, which already outputs some 35 fps less than the 3070ti in most games, will chug along just as bad as a 3070ti but not due to lack of vram but due to lack of rasterization power.
What's funny is that the 3060 can run 1440p RT on re4 remake at a respectable ~45 fps, but the 3070 crashes to desktop www.techpowerup.com/review/resident-evil-4-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/4.html
or Last of us where the 3070 has higher average, but check out those minimums at 1080p ultra. Not 1440p, not 4k, but 1080p...
www.techspot.com/review/2656-the-last-of-us-gpu-benchmark/
It's becoming a trend too. We've had hogwarts legacy, re4, and last of us all come out in recent times, and all of them demand insane amounts of vram at resolutions where a 3070 should crush it.
Hell, the 3080 10gb is starting to feel like an insult, since it's starting to struggle where the 12gb can still keep up.
@@CoilWhine 8.1GB vram usage at 1080p ray tracing OFF wtf lol: /watch?v=S34YfM4J8qk
@@CoilWhine is this true to? but for archviz use on unreal engine 5, is 3060 12gb gonna be bettr than 3060ti 8gb
let's say?
I could really use your opinion…. 3060, 3060TI or 3070 i should get for 1080p streaming and gaming ? single pc . Always playing the lasts games…
Get the best you can, this is an incredibly specific circumstance
Now I'm in a bit of a pickle. Don't know if anyone can help me on this but I got the Aourus Master 3070 for like 350. Should I go ahead and try to sell it before things get worse or is that a fine enough deal? I have 1080p 60hz atm but I'm planning to go with 1440p 60hz+ or 1080 120ish hz. Any help is appreciated. Still pretty messed up for people that got these things at full price all the same.
Trust me
The vram issue is only getting started imo......
RE4 remake, hogwarts legacy and last of us are the beginning tbh
Wish I saw this video a year ago before buying a RTX3070 TUF OC 🤦🏾♂️
Have you ever tested the similar settings with 1080p comparison
at 1080p the 3060ti will easily beat the regular 3060. I also can't think of a gaming scenario where a 1080p title will use more than the 8gbs of vram on the 3060ti
Hello, I saw cinema 4d on your screen so i believe i can get an answer from you. Is RTX 3060 12gb good for rendering in cinema 4D?
We just use it for benchmarking cpus, the 3060 is no slouch of a gpu if youre using gpu rendering though
Hi. Any idea how the high memory would or would not effect video editing ?
Video editing doesn't require as much vram as gaming, you can edit 4k video with 4-6gb of vram just fine
@@CoilWhine hi...how about 3d FRendering like enscape or Lumion? is it powerfull 8gb RTX3060 or 12gb 3060? im'm so confused now a.k.a GALAU
@@CoilWhine are you sure bro editing not use much vram?maybe editing content creator like youtuber and streamer..not a true editor you mean
I‘ll also use my gpu only for 4K video editing and some 3D animation, no gaming, and I‘m going to use two WQHD monitors. So the question is, 12GB 3060 or 8GB 3060 Ti? What would you choose?
I’m looking at the MSI GeForce RTX 3060 (Ti) VENTUS 3X right now.
DCS flight sim uses a ton of ram and vram
I may upgrading 3070 to 4070 just because of vram.
@Coil Whine I have a big dilemma ... should I buy rx6700xt or rtx 3070 for 1440p gaming ... after this video I'm close to buying rx 6700xt :) I guess that's your advice too?
If you upgrade more often; 3070, if you plan on keeping it a long time; 6700xt
I didnt have enough money so i bought an 3060 oc and ıts very good for me.
Keep in mind this is game that well optimized with RT
It's insanely well optimized!
cards wd 8gb vram
Gtx 1070
Gtx 1070ti
Gtx 1080
Rtx 2060 super
Rtx 2070
Rtx 2070 super
Rtx 2080
Rtx 2080 Super
Rtx 3050
Rtx 3060 ti
Rtx 3070
Forgetting quite a few amd cards there
@@CoilWhine game developers won't b abandoning 8gb vram atleast for 4 yrs.
at 1080p 8gb is perfect at ultra setting.
more than 8gb vram is needed for atleast 1440p and 4k resolution.
1080 ti 11gb
2080 ti 11gb ,
3080 10gb
or
6700xt upwards are the cards one shudlook for
@@CoilWhine Nobody cares about amd cards lol
@@XFile91 AMD's latest earnings report says otherwise lmao
@@CoilWhine Must of been all the crypto miners lmao
I'm waiting on the 4060 16gb version.
how can you make a video about gpu vram without mentioning the gtx970 3.5 + .5 gb
Lolol weve mention it quite a few times before
@@CoilWhine i am still salty and wont buy gigabyte products because neither gigabyte or the store responsible would give me the rebate on the 970
I just bought 3070ti and now i am confused if its a good decison based on the 8gb vram that it has…..?
It really depends on how crazy you're going to get with your games. If you're running 4k, it gets a little dicey, but DLSS helps a bit.
Worst case scenario, you just drop the texture size a bit and you'll be fine, especially at 1440p. This was an extreme test to see what would happen under crazy circumstances.
Enjoy the card!
I plan on keeping my card for a long time hopefully past 5 years. I know that running out of vram is horrible so I got a 3090.
That's definitely a way to stay safe. Sounds like you're one of the chosen few that could run flight sim in vr
@@CoilWhine it’s like you said 8gbs is not cutting it on some games now. Imagine in 5 years probably have to have like 16gb of VRAM or higher for AAA games.
That's where a lot of the radeons shine. The 3080 with it's 10gb is _better_ but still less than a 2080ti!
Shoot, I ran out of vram with my 3070 running cyberpunk after the patch the other day, crazy stuff
so paid $2000 probably for 3090 instead of buying cheaper card like 3070 and then you can buy a better card than 3090 for a lot less money
@@oliverwilliam6931 Depends on the use case. If this is a person who only upgrades every 5 or so years, a 3090 will definitely still be a powerhouse by then.
The math is interesting too, especially with inflation and the overall increase in GPU prices over the years.
It legit could be a better deal to buy the big boy GPU now if you don't like upgrading every year or two.
Went from Nvidia G210 1GB to RTX 3060 12 GB, I feel the astronomical difference.
now that's an upgrade!
12 gig laughing stock? Play war zone on that ti, and you'll bottleneck when you literally run out of vram lol. So it's a laughing stock today and steams most used gpu tomorrow
Ghostwire Tokyo, for example, uses more than 7.4 gb of vram at 1080p.
Vram bottlenecking is already happening, and 8gb of vram is almost already outdated.
Warzone just reserves that vram but doesnt fully use it lol
Or any vr game really.
This is why this is a shame the 3070 ti at LEAST didn’t get 10 GB of VRAM. May end up buying another 3060 then. Lmao.
@Dragonsong nah lol
How come there are reviews of 3070 maxed out settings in Doom without any signs choking...?
I'm trying to make up my mind should i take an offer to grab a used 3070 for 350 Eur. Its the same price for a brand new 3060 12gb
just realized the resolution you are testing it on is 4k... this video couldn't be more irrelevant to me at this point as I'm gaming on 1080p. Cya.
@@Sudegink It's 4k with memory pool cranked all the way. Definitely not relevant to 1080 gamers, just a theoretical for future 1440p + gamers.
A 3070 at 1080p is very, very fast. Just try to see if it was mined on. Luckily, a 3070 is only running GDDR6, rather than the 6x that you get on the 3080 and above. The 6x likes to fail when mined on due to the power draw.
@@CoilWhine I have 3070 ti and I'm using 1080p monitor..should I be worried ?
@@mentalhell4846 You're probably fine for the time being, though games seem to be less and less optimized lately. Hopefully the devs stop being insane and let us run 1080p with 8gb of vram
RTX might be rough though unfortunately
So the vram is why it runs at like 40fps on 3070 unless I "trick" it into running right? I sometimes have to turn graphics to low then back to ultra to get it up to the 100 something plus fps. But Ive heard alot of different places doom had some issues to where you would have to trick it to work again because even sometimes when everything's on low it still has the same fps takes a few times to get it working so it actually might be doom that is messed up with memory or leak or something idk
You could be experience a memory leak, though this video was mostly a "worst case" or "future" scenario. In doom I'd drop the "texture pool size" down from ultra nightmare to just regular nightmare. It's really what made the 3070 choke, and all it does is reduce pop-in a little bit.
Not super noticeable. Otherwise texture size and resolution are the other big hitters in vram usage.
@@CoilWhine only thing is I can put all the settings to low and itll still do the same unless I switch it to low then ultra then back to low then ultra a few times
What title are you running again? Is it just DOOM, or other games? It could be a memory leak, since changing your settings should clear out the frame-buffer.
I've also had luck with alt-tabbing in and out a few times, though you might have to run in fullscreen to do that (alt+enter should swap between window'd and full screen btw)
@@CoilWhine it's doom eternal and that's the only game doesn't matter if I alt tab or not I have to change the settings to all low then back 10 to 20 times or turn rtx off then back on sometimes also I just have to trick it for It to work then it'll do all ultra with rtx on 1440p dlss quality over 120fps even more can't remember been awhile since I played it. Don't think it's vram limit because it'll do it with everything low and rtx off also. I think its a thing with dlss messing it up because that's what I heard along time ago
Thanks
Idk because I play at 1440p
"4k is the future!"
@@CoilWhine thats for sure, but curent hardware is unable to run AAA games at 4k 144fps+ at verry high/Ultra. Thats Why I went with 1440p 144hz screen insted of 4k/60hz. 4k/120fps screens are out of my price range anyway.
Its like my old radeon 7850. I spent the extra money on a 2gb one and it really made the card age more gracefully. Well that and AMD finewine™ (aka we can't build drivers at launch).
The 1gb card would've been frustrating because it was perfectly sufficient for 1080p at launch but games started using more vram within 1080p. I'm curious to see what 1440p games use in the next 5 years
@@CoilWhine 3090 struggle to play games on 4k so for the future you should wait and get a better than 3090 to play 4k games
@@oliverwilliam6931 _DLSS has entered the chat_
Games going over 8gb vram is kinda unrealistic until the next generation of consoles. Most games are going to be able to run between 4-8gb vram to fit on the xbox series s/x and ps5.
>looks nervously at Hogwarts, last of us, resident evil, and other new titles
@@CoilWhine lol these are garbage lazy optimized games with graphics that don't justify such high vram usage ... GOW, Spiderman and Forza don't require 8 gigs of vram
i have rtx3060 asus phoenix currently and it is better for me to upgrade to rtx3060ti or just wait for 40series?
I'd avoid the 3060ti if you already have a 3060. While the performance jump will be decent, I personally think that it's better to hold off until the 4000 series/ radeon 7000 series unless you're seriously having issues running your games.
@@CoilWhine thanks for the reply!
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