there are multiple youtubers already trying this Backfire Challenge. It's actually an interesting challenge to see. Portrays a hunting-type scenario, average hunting rifle performance, average hunter/shooter performance, etc. instead of Comp. Rifles and Shooters.
When hunting, don't be afraid to not take a shot. Get closer, get comfortable, wait for the wind to drop off, or whatever you need to do to make a clean kill. A miss is a miss, but a wounded animal is suffering. Hunt ethically at any distance.
Absolutely. Typical hunting rifles are 1.5 to 2 MOA rifles with GOOD factory ammunition. So past 300 yards if your zero is perfect, your trigger pull is perfect, you’re steady, you do every single thing right, you are still not guaranteed an ethical kill and should not take the shot because it is beyond mechanical capabilities of the rifle, let alone the shooter.
@@jayphillips6513 they really aren’t. Not unless they are in a chassis or the stock is bedded and you’re using match ammo. If you get a cheap bolt gun off the rack that consistently shoots sub minute, keep it because it’s fairly rare.
Not just his abilities, but the rifle as well. Your typical hunting rifle with factory ammunition shoots what 1.5-2 MOA? The vital zone on a deer is about 2 MOA at 300 yards. Even if you do literally everything right, your rifle may not have enough mechanical accuracy to reliably make shots past 300 yards and if you can’t do that it’s extremely unethical to take that shot.
@@jason200912 as far as angle, yes. An animal’s lungs always stay the same size though. At 200 yds, a 2 MOA circle will easily fit inside the vital area. At 300, the circle and vital area are about the same size, and at 400, the circle is larger than the vital box meaning your chances of an ethical kill drop dramatically.
But that's exactly who this isn't gonna reach. Either they won't watch the video because "they're noobs"/"it's a waste of time"/"they suck" or they'll armchair quarterback and nitpick every detail from their ODA team 6 club house as for why these guys couldn't get it done.
Almost no shooters are good enough marksmen to be concerned about accuracy and ballistic efficiency at 500 yards. They (we) need to work on the marksmanship skills to hit reliably at 300 and then we can start to think about longer ranges. Twinkie was spot on when he estimated his maximum range in the debrief. Jim, are we going to see you shoot the challenge? Maybe invite Ron Spomer?
I would actually say the opposite. Almost any person, even with zero experience, can walk on to hits with a spotter at up to ~1k yards. It’s frankly not hard on a flat range. But, even very experienced shooters often can’t do a first round cold bore shot in unfamiliar conditions with a sentient target.
@@beavismagnum thats absolutely true on the walking part. but what i will say is the very good shooter is walking hits in inches left right, not feet at 1k. there jst arent a lot of really good shooters around. a lot of people waaaay overestimate their skill and gear. I know a few experienced shooters that frankly never cared to become better shooters. Thats why i use the word good, not experienced 🙂
So glad you’re doing this! I’m very tired of all the forum elk snipers claiming they’re comfortable taking game 600+ yds. They’re reckless and irresponsible. Even if you’re very skilled which most of the blowhards in the forums probably are; off these hasty supports with unknown ranges and making wind calls, add in time constraint and targets that move; MOST hunters can’t get their real-world hit percentage above 75% at 500+. And that’s not acceptable for game. Don’t give me “oh, the misses were probably hits on game”. Nope. And let’s be real, these guys here are average - maybe above average shooters and their FOUR HUNDRED yard hit percentages aren't above 60%! Some only 40%! Again, unacceptable for taking game. Not saying 400+ shots are irresponsible, but get your skills where they need to be. I know many of those wannabe-sniper hunters have successfully taken deer and elk at 500 plus. I’ve heard of guys doing it at 900. But there’s measure of luck and reporting bias; we don't hear about the misses. Also: the friggin animal can move on you when you have a 600+yd shot with at best a 0.75 sec TOF. I bet 98% of guys claiming they routinely take game at 600 would have these exact same results if put to a test like this.
@@beavismagnum I've never seen a ulr shooter where they go blasting until they get a good hit. 3-5 shots max. Otherwise they aren't a true long range shooter.
@beavismagnum most people I know that actually hunt long range can get these 1 round hits. The amount of practice, ammunition they reload, and the equipment they carry supports such skill. The real problem is social media will make people believe that anyone can do this without proper equipment and skill and lets be honest, there isn't a lot of ranges that truly allow shooters to get proficient enough to make these shots. What also baffles me is the number of people that will rag on long-range hunters, but those same people will not hold "close ranfe" hunters accountable that scuff shots. You know that guy that goes to the range every year, shoots 3-5 times then turns around and thinks he can 100% the time take an animal at 0-300 yards. I have seen/heard more animals wounded to these hunters vs. long-range hunters.
I have yet to meet a Marine that can do ANYTHING as good as they say they are at doing 😂😂😂😂 All respect and thankful for their service. But with that being said, there are claims of greatness and there is reality…. 😂😂😂
I cut my teeth on LD shooting over 25yrs ago. Not that I do much of it, but recognizing that a 6" gong at 400yds with a subMOA rifle is a bit of a challenge(concrete table, sandbags, etc). Going longer without such niceties takes dedication to practice, experiment, and build familiarity with discomforting positions. I'm very good off a bench to 300+, 400 is fun n challenging for steel. Don't ever ask me to go at game 500+. You'd be taunting me with foolishness, and Proverbs 16: 3 admonishes about fools speaking rather than listening.
Yes backfire should now do a before and after class on how to get your self prepared for the shot, how to use the range finder and how to judge the wind. Even Eric Cortina can miss in these conditions.
Elegant initiative to bring a bit more of ethics into hunting! Doing this with high entertainment value is a very nice move. Of course many in the comment sections would have scored a lot better... with cameras in their faces in a new environment. Good lessons!!!
Correct me if im wrong, but a 1MOA rifle can only keep a 6 inch circle at 600 yards, assuming the shooter does their job perfectly. Not counting chamber heating of the catridge. So for milk jugs at 500 yards is already pushing the ability of the rifle and ammunition itself, over the average.
I'm gonna go so far as to say virtually no one can ethically hunt at 600 yards (i.e., = putting ~99% of cold bore shots in a 8" circle in hunting conditions).
Not to mention, most '1 moa rifles' actually shoot 1.5+ moa over 100 shots. Throw in factory ammo was an ES of 75+ and 600 yards is statistically improbable
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor that I have shot a sub-moa 100 yard group with. I’ve been hunting for 20 years and I still wouldn’t shoot anything beyond 250-300. I can get closer and if I can’t I don’t deserve the kill. My buddy did long gun stuff in the military and we shoot distance for fun but not for meat. We have taken longer shots on predators though.
Best bet at near 100% hit rate would be someone who places in the top few shooters of national level NRL Hunter matches. Either that or Pieter Malan from the Impact Shooting channel since he actually does (a lot) of long range hunting and is a professional long range shooter. Though if Piet did this he might call out how stupid it is to do "no bag" stages, given that serious precision hunters are all carrying some form of lightweight rear bag like a Pint-Size Gamechanger with git-lite fill.
Man. This big rifle shooting game is tougher than it looks even at moderate distance. You may go through a lot of caliber, scope and rifle combinations before you find the one that fits you. I found mine to be pretty basic. Now lot's of practice is in order.
As an avid hunter and competitive shooter (metallic silhouette), I can state that THIS is exactly the kind of "practice" that produces results. Every time you shoot this way, you learn something and can take notes for reference the next time. That's assuming you're using the same gun/ammo combination the next time... but just get out there and do this, folks!
This test was a good representation of how a good competent hunter's shooting ability. In good conditions they would be able to take an elk at 600 yards. But it shows with more challenging conditions and smaller game, the maximum ethical range comes way down. Piet from "Impact Shooting" with a precision rifle that he hunts with regularly on his channel would be my nomination to hit near 100% in a similar challenge.
I think Rachelle, Easton, and Aram Von Benedikt should come on and try it since they all clearly believe they could execute that kind of shot at the same deer.
I really, really liked this video. It was fun to see some old and new faces. Jim I was hoping to see you join in. Love to see Joseph and Ron join you. Maybe even Brad from your original Backfire. Having someone besides the shooter put together the course and the additional rules makes this competition more realistic. This really helps identify what are ethical hunting ranges. Every hunter should know what his limitations are. I know I don’t feel comfortable past 400 yards with favorable conditions. Thanks for sharing. Tate your practice in the wind paid off. Hope to see you out and about again.
I feel like the only way to do this, with firing that many rounds in a row, would have to be a heavy barrel. The sporter barrels will heat up too fast and change your impact after 5 shots. But it is easier, walking it out from close range to long, knowing the wind adjustments. You need to make them shoot the 600 yds as first shot, which will be hunting situation. So they don't have a better idea on the wind.
I’d love to see you shoot a water jug 10 times at 150ish yards standing. Make a vid since you are so confident to tell the world. I do agree though. I try to keep everything as close as possible and I would never shoot a bullet and hope it hits.
Why do so many shooters come off the scope immediately after pulling the trigger? Do they think they can see better with their naked eye than with a high powered scope? Why even use a scope then? Stay on the rifle. Makes following your shots a lot easier. If you can’t see your shot, zoom out.
Because most rifles move off the point of impact due to recoil and the greater the magnification (= smaller FOV) the worse it gets. Still must not do it. It's a terrible habit and almost always results in decreased performance.
@@salninethousand2496 that is why recoil management and using the appropriate magnification (higher/more doesn’t always equal better) is so important. Much easier to get back on POA/POI if you stay on the rifle and in the scope than coming off trying to see where or if you hit your target with your naked eye. Especially if that target is a milk jug at 500 yards. Happy shooting
Iooking for the bullet trace lol. Imo they're not used to shooting at that distance, probably using the whole 25x (or whatever their max mag is) magnificacion. Shooting a magnum cartridge or even a mid cartridge in a light weight rifle I would probably use all magnificacion to look at the target but dial back down to 10-12x for the shot. Much better chance of seeing splash in a miss, or watch the animal's reaction to the hit.
I love this! Definitely continue making these videos with fans and pros! AWSOME! Would’ve liked to know the all the shooters set ups ammo and scope and rifle wise..
I wish i lived close to yall to come one try the 1moa challenge and 2 this challenge for one to meet and tell ya in person how much i appreciate the content and 2 see how i hang awesome video series keep em coming
Nice work! This is an awesome example of why hunters not only need to get time on the range, but practice field shooting techniques and positions. Well done Jim, a great example of how real life hunting situations are not exactly the same as shooting paper and steel at the range. For me this highlights that even experienced shooters who are getting more than enough rounds downrange each year, (and at game), should be really considering just how stable their shooting position is, and how much wind is in play when they are attempting to take shots at small to medium size game at distances greater than 300yds when in a hunting situation. It probably also highlights the importance for new hunters / shooters or anyone not getting at least a hundred rounds each year on the range with validated velocity and trajectory data for their given hunting load, to limit the distances they are prepared to take shots at. If you can't hit an 8 x 8 inch target 100% of the time at 200 yds with a steady rest at the range, in all conditions, then you should seriously be considering if you are prepared to shoot past 200 yds in the field. Once you get out to 300 yds and beyond, especially if you are shooting a standard velocity hunting cartridge like a 308, 30-06 or 223 etc, with standard lead hunting bullets that do not have a high BC, then misreading the wind by even 5mph can cause you to miss the vital zone on a small to medium size animal. For example, a 308 shooting a 130gr Barnes TTSX at 2900 fps (which isn't super slow) is getting approx. 9 inches of wind drift with a 10 mph full value wind at 300m/ 330yds. It is not difficult when shooting across a valley from a sheltered position to assume a 5mph wind when it could be 10 mph through the valley. This means that the margin for error / hit probability with a 1 moa hunting load has increased from 3 inches to 7-8 inches if you misread the wind. Yep, I know a lot of people are going to read this and right about now be thinking that 7-8 inches sounds like an extremely exaggerated figure that you could potentially miss by at 300m.......but the fact is a 1 moa hunting load which is pretty standard accuracy if you are shooting a factory gun with factory ammo in the field, has a 3 inch margin for error, plus the 4-5 inch margin for error on the wind call depending on the bullet BC and velocity. And this is at only 300m/330yds.....of course you can half this with the correct calibre choice!... But if we are talking about the average hunter then there will be a bucket load of hunters with standard moderate velocity calibres like 30-06 and 308 using factory hunting ammo that would make Jims challenge even harder again!
Pronghorn vitals are about 8- 9 inches deer are about 10-11 inches and elk are about 15 -15 inches. Milk jugs are 5.5 inches wide so this is not a realistic challenge. Just to be clear I am not in favor of long range hunting.
I wish people understood that this in no way represents ones ability to hunt. Being an ethical long range hunter has way more to do with knowing when NOT to rake the shot.
Best part about you is that you are real. No crazy fish stories or anything like that, you just tell it like it is and all the experts out there get to see what reality looks like. And I don't think the Dentist is fair....those guys have some of the steadiest hands in the world 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The hillside shooting exercise is the norm for sheep hunters and Elk hunters around here. The longrange hunters that I know cannot shoot from postions at 100 & 200 yards at our range. Hey, prone shooting is without any shooting aids, so is offhand. Old timer here, former Guide as well. I've dude hunter/ clients miss the vitals on a Moose at short range. This is a realistic exercise, and offers a example of what a hunter experiences .
So I hunt a lot and do hunting style competitions. Assuming a modern Center fire bottle neck case and a standard factory hunting rifle. The top 10 competitions achieve…
Thanks so much for producing the best shooting videos. This was a real-world challenge and showed how had it is to connect at long range. Again thanks so much for the quality and topics of your program.
these guys made the same mistake: they brought rifles chambered in heavy recoiling calibers, hunter profile barrels, factory stocks. Only one guy had a decent scope- Vortex GE. Moreover, why did they have to shoot in an unstable positions like off a rock? Doesn't make sense.
Great challenge... Still amazed that all these shooters have a 50% hit rate and still say I'd shoot out to 600. Guess 50% of the time they don't mind wounding game. Can't wait to see who's up next.
Jake said his limit is 250-300 yards. That’s a pretty honest assessment. Twinkie is leaving like Mike the marine, and still thinking he’s better then he is.
In perfect conditions, yes. This was far from perfect conditions, bordering on unrealistic. They were not allowed a bag, put in bad shot situations like on the side of shale hill where no hunter would even be moving from A-B, and it was very windy. If your not winded, have a good rest, low wind, and a rifle in a decent chambering then 600 is not unrealistic at all.
@Nick-sx6jm These are exactly the conditions one could expect on a hunt. I don't know what kind of hunting you've been doing but there's no such thing as perfect conditions. Oh I guess if your taking game on high fence, from a side x side, with all your prs gear, with someone calling corrections, you might think that's hunting. Lol... What Jim did here was perfect hunting situations and everyone wounded 50% of the time....
@@kevinmckenna8948 I disagree. If you often find yourself out in the open on the side of a shale cliff out of breath without even having the proper equipment like a bag, some kind of bipod or rest, and a 6.5 creed then your probably not a very good hunter. There are lots of situations where you could be on a old logging road or find a good flat spot to glass and have pretty ideal conditions to stretch things out. Even so, It all depends on the conditions. They all said that 200-300 is max with poor conditions and would only go farther if things were ideal.
@Nick-sx6jm So the out of breath part is to simulate the excitement that comes over one in the moment. Pretty realistic to me. Again if you can't make a shot 100% of the time at X range you shouldn't be shooting that far at our game animals. Everyone seems to not understand this.... And everyone who shot this challenge can't do it past 200, 250.... But it's the big fad now so our game animals will suffer...
I am a little confused because I was expecting everyone to say lower range numbers after these shots. Did they reflect what they did that day? Seems to me that they still overestimate their capabilities. My ethical range is 200 meters an I look for 150 meters max if possible…. Why? Because I hit more than 95% at these ranges.
Jim, with you and Erik holding these challenges, I believe you both are doing a great service to the hunting industry -Thanks! Your showing us, many of us are not as good as we think we are. But arrogance, as the Marine showed, didn't really seem to change his attitude. The book of Proverbs talks about the folly of fools. Which many of times I have sollowed that pill. Good job, keep it up, man!
With my medical conditions with nerve damage and muscles and joint I would not be able to do burpees lol. but I can shoot. I have my own shooting range I have Targets out to 1560 yards and was shooting gophers between 400 and 1000 and that was a 20% hit ratio
I wonder how many people criticizing the shooting here could get out there and do better. In my experience not very many. I knew a very accurate shooter he would even shoot well out to a mile and I asked him what is the max possible effective range of somebody who doesn't know a whole ton about all the variables. he told me 400 yd is about it and after that there's many variables that come into play to where you need a lot more experience. If you cannot hit that milkjug 10 out of 10 times then you're shooting too far for a white tail deer. The biggest challenge I see is there are very few ranges we can stretch out to a distance and see what we can do.
👍 good Challange to remind all that you shouldnt take Shots at Game over these Distances i hold my Shots for Hunting under 300m thats my Personal Limit and only when the Game is Totally relaxed and i have a good Rest for my Rifle and every Time in the World on Animals i have shot several Times on Paper on further Distances up to 500m but i wouldnt shoot on an Animal this far (i hunt since 1996 and i have to harvest around 50 Animals every Year Red Deer, Roe and Wildboar here in Germany)
Nice video. Keep em coming. The steep hillside would be a pass for me in hunting situations. Had to loose a chance on a 386 inch bull elk once due to similar situation. Couldn't find a stable shooting area with visibility. Also have had to pass on 170 inch mule deer due to wind and 400 yards. I was so steady and knew the rifle but didn't feel comfortable in the wind. I have also felt confident in my shot and missed. Just love the videos. Only thing better for practice on big game than milk jugs and steel is coyotes, rabbits, and rock chucks around here.
You should also have them hike up to the shooting spot with a heavy load to also add fatigue in to the testing! You’re not shooting as accurately if you’ve been hiking the whole day with a heavy load on your back vs just fresh off the truck
This is a very realistic challenge hunters face while out in the wilderness in their pursuit of harvesting game for the table or trophy hunting. Well done Jimmy, I hope that this type of hunting challenge grows bigger and better in the future.
Mike, the marine did not even complete the assigned task. He is a no go at this station. Is also a perfect example of somebody that is so full of their own hubris they can’t even pick the proper equipment to do the job much less possess the skill set needed to compete
@@NelsonZAPTM I’m not sure if you’re being serious about what I said being fighting words or just having a little fun with me. In all seriousness though, what I said was just simply painfully obvious and out in the open for everyone else to observe also. Either way that ok, I stand behind them. If Jim would have me on his channel to attempt the challenge, I would be more than happy to accept. Do I think I would do better than the first challenge? Absolutely.
This is an eye opening drill. Watching most youtube videos, it makes all shooters look like pro snipers. I'm a decent shot (not a sniper) and this brings things into reality.
Military snipers aren't as accurate as you might think they are. I'm not saying they aren't good shots! Hunters and snipers have different goals. We hunter want a clean fast kill, snipers just need to take the guy out of the fight. If a sniper hits a bad guy in the leg, or arm, or in the belly button that guy has been taken out of the fight. If a hunter does that it's a complete failure.
A helpful takeaway for me here is that I’m a better shot than I thought I was. I’m not claiming I could do well on the challenge, but these types of TH-camrs aren’t as good as I assumed they were.
Great video! I would say this proves that most of us shouldn’t be taking long shots at animals. We and our families aren’t going hungry if we don’t make a kill. By not taking a risky shot you might get a better shot at the same or a different animal and even if you don’t, you get to keep hunting! Keep up the great work!
Jim, thanks to you and the guys for making this video and the other challenge videos. It brings to bear how many factors there are to consider in hunting game at long distance. Personal marksmanship skills, equipment limitations, environmental conditions, and so much more must be taken into consideration. Erik Cortina made a statement on his video on choosing his rifle for the challenge. He said he believes a person should be proficient in shooting twice the distance that they’re hunting game at. I believe that to be very practical advice. Keep the videos coming 👍🏼
This really shows the truth for what is a realistic distance to shoot when hunting. Great job Jim. OK I shoot all the time but our range is just 100 yards. That puts me at 200 with all the variables if I want to be truthful.
Lord the lack of fundamentals is insane. I bet they could increase their hit percentage by just getting linearly square behind their rifles and learning what a rear bag is.
That was an awesome video! Real world challenges, real world results...i have learned to sneak in closer, so my success rate is better. And i believe that I am demonstrating more respect for my prey
Proof that the majority of rifle hunters don’t practice with their equipment. Getting good training and then proper practice is so worth the money. Fundamentals of marksmanship matter.
Biggest things seem to be building a stable position and wind. I bring my rear bag and kestrel with me. I usually have a tripod too. I struggle getting steady if Im not prone, so shooting off a backpack and tripod is something ive been practicing quite a bit.
Would like to have seen a baseline accuracy test on each of the rifles and maybe compare that to taking 5 shots at the farthest target from the initial supported prone position. Those distances are a test of the rifle and ammo in addition to the shooter.
Jim - I really want to see what PRS and F class competitive shooters can do on this course. With their heavy comp rifles and with light hunting rifles.
I just watched the intro 5 times so I understood the criteria. 100 out of 100 shots, on a water filled milk jug, out to 600 yards in realistic hunting situations? I'm going to hazard a guess that for most people, that is impossible. Certainly is for me. No freaking way.
I'm curious to why none of them have a bubble level. Kind of makes you wonder if they did have one, if those minor misses left or right would have been hits.
This might have been said already but I haven’t seen it yet. I’m going to speak from dozens of long range kills on game animals from antelope to elk. A hunter has more than double the horizontal width of a milk jug to effectively kill a big game animal. You said in this video the vitals are 9” wide on a deer. Well a neck shot is also a vital it. And will yield a very quick kill. So anyone with any sort of time shooting in the wind and understanding how to bracket wind calls would have to do something pretty crazy to miss a 20” wide target. That’s roughly 2 moa at 1000 yards. So if you took say a 180 berger hybrid from a 7 saum @ 2900fps you would have to miss judge the wind by 5mph to miss that shot. That’s at 1000 yards. Let’s do 500, well you guessed it. You now have to miss judge the wind my 10 mph to miss that 20” wide vital from the neck to the back of the lungs. Deer size target. The start to this whole challenge was telling long range hunters that there shots were unethical. I have never one in my life had a big game animal shot with a rifle get away. And I have dozens of kills from 350-866yards. Have I hit every single one in the 10 ring? Nope. But I know enough to bracket best and worse case scenario on the animals vital area (head neck junction to back of lungs). If my uncertainty in the wind is greater that what I can bracket on the animal I won’t take the shot. As much as I like watching these videos I would say it is a very unethical way to judge someone’s skill to kill a big game animal. I’m not even going to discuss vertical misses because if you have much experience vertical misses are a non issue.
@@elkmo41 There's never been a shooter in the history of the world that has put "dozens" of cold bore shots in a 10" circle at 350-866 yard in hunting conditions. TBH many (MANY) hunters "hunt" by shooting for the best and just dealing with the fallout - multiple shots, long tracking sessions of a wounded animal, lost animals.
If there shooting any hornady ammo don't go off the listings of the boxes cuz hornady already admitted to the change of powders cuz of availability on reloading Weatherbys channel just thought I'd throw that out there for this professional video
What are your thoughts about a tripod with a rifle mount? (bogpod clamp, ect). After taking a long range class I will definitly be taking one with me strapped to my pack whenever I am hunting.
All were slapping triggers and two were getting off the scope to try to see the impact. And no shooting glasses! True to form, the best performer (Jake) had the most realistic assessment of performance ("2 or 300 yards") which incuriously is the limit for probably 99% of hunters. 600 yards? I don't think so.
This challenge is really fun to watch, and I'm going to take a day this summer and run myself through my own challenge. More than anything though, this is intended to make you fail and give the appearance that no one should shoot at game at 400 yards or more. If I can get a good range and find a steady shooting position with mild wind conditions, 600 yards is a chip shot. In a lot of these challenges, I just would not shoot. It doesn't give you the option to move to an advantages position or wait for the animal to feed out of the hole it's in. The fact that you have to shoot or it counts as a miss is a bit unfair I think. Those that hate can't and Jim's really attracted all the haters to this channel.
I’ve got a guy that’ll take that challenge and he’s fairly positive that he can hit 100/100. If I was going to put money on someone to do it would definitely be him.
Yeah I have feeling this is gonna be a really popular challenge going forward.
Probably end up on par with the Blackjack Challenge
there are multiple youtubers already trying this Backfire Challenge. It's actually an interesting challenge to see. Portrays a hunting-type scenario, average hunting rifle performance, average hunter/shooter performance, etc. instead of Comp. Rifles and Shooters.
@@TheOrangeKou It would be great as a match format
This and texas plinking challenge is probably the best
When hunting, don't be afraid to not take a shot.
Get closer, get comfortable, wait for the wind to drop off, or whatever you need to do to make a clean kill.
A miss is a miss, but a wounded animal is suffering.
Hunt ethically at any distance.
Absolutely. Typical hunting rifles are 1.5 to 2 MOA rifles with GOOD factory ammunition. So past 300 yards if your zero is perfect, your trigger pull is perfect, you’re steady, you do every single thing right, you are still not guaranteed an ethical kill and should not take the shot because it is beyond mechanical capabilities of the rifle, let alone the shooter.
@@Leonarco333u must use really wore out rifles. Most rifles are moa or better. The average modern rifle will out shoot the average shooter
@@jayphillips6513 they really aren’t. Not unless they are in a chassis or the stock is bedded and you’re using match ammo. If you get a cheap bolt gun off the rack that consistently shoots sub minute, keep it because it’s fairly rare.
Love these real world challenges. The guy that estimated his effective range at 2 to 300 yds is a hunter that understands his abilities.
Effective range would be shooting a man sized target and not a gallon jug head shot
Not just his abilities, but the rifle as well. Your typical hunting rifle with factory ammunition shoots what 1.5-2 MOA? The vital zone on a deer is about 2 MOA at 300 yards. Even if you do literally everything right, your rifle may not have enough mechanical accuracy to reliably make shots past 300 yards and if you can’t do that it’s extremely unethical to take that shot.
@@Leonarco333 2 moa at 300 yards is the same as 2 moa at 100 yards lol.
@@jason200912 as far as angle, yes. An animal’s lungs always stay the same size though. At 200 yds, a 2 MOA circle will easily fit inside the vital area. At 300, the circle and vital area are about the same size, and at 400, the circle is larger than the vital box meaning your chances of an ethical kill drop dramatically.
@@jason200912 or are you saying shot dispersement is the same? Because it isn’t. 2moa is a 2” circle at 100 yds and a 6” circle at 300.
This is a really thought provoking, cautionary video for all those long distance heroes out there.
Cautionary?! I can hit those targets over my shoulder with a mirror, Annie Oakley style, all day. Clap shots. 😂
But that's exactly who this isn't gonna reach. Either they won't watch the video because "they're noobs"/"it's a waste of time"/"they suck" or they'll armchair quarterback and nitpick every detail from their ODA team 6 club house as for why these guys couldn't get it done.
Almost no shooters are good enough marksmen to be concerned about accuracy and ballistic efficiency at 500 yards. They (we) need to work on the marksmanship skills to hit reliably at 300 and then we can start to think about longer ranges. Twinkie was spot on when he estimated his maximum range in the debrief.
Jim, are we going to see you shoot the challenge? Maybe invite Ron Spomer?
Such a great idea with Ron!! I would absolutly love
I would actually say the opposite. Almost any person, even with zero experience, can walk on to hits with a spotter at up to ~1k yards. It’s frankly not hard on a flat range. But, even very experienced shooters often can’t do a first round cold bore shot in unfamiliar conditions with a sentient target.
@beavismagnum except walking your shots onto target is wrong on so many levels when hunting.
@@beavismagnum thats absolutely true on the walking part. but what i will say is the very good shooter is walking hits in inches left right, not feet at 1k. there jst arent a lot of really good shooters around. a lot of people waaaay overestimate their skill and gear. I know a few experienced shooters that frankly never cared to become better shooters. Thats why i use the word good, not experienced 🙂
We want to see ron!
Great challenge. This is humble pie for a lot of guys.
So glad you’re doing this! I’m very tired of all the forum elk snipers claiming they’re comfortable taking game 600+ yds. They’re reckless and irresponsible. Even if you’re very skilled which most of the blowhards in the forums probably are; off these hasty supports with unknown ranges and making wind calls, add in time constraint and targets that move; MOST hunters can’t get their real-world hit percentage above 75% at 500+. And that’s not acceptable for game. Don’t give me “oh, the misses were probably hits on game”. Nope. And let’s be real, these guys here are average - maybe above average shooters and their FOUR HUNDRED yard hit percentages aren't above 60%! Some only 40%! Again, unacceptable for taking game. Not saying 400+ shots are irresponsible, but get your skills where they need to be. I know many of those wannabe-sniper hunters have successfully taken deer and elk at 500 plus. I’ve heard of guys doing it at 900. But there’s measure of luck and reporting bias; we don't hear about the misses. Also: the friggin animal can move on you when you have a 600+yd shot with at best a 0.75 sec TOF.
I bet 98% of guys claiming they routinely take game at 600 would have these exact same results if put to a test like this.
If you actually hunt with someone who hunts at long range, they set up a spotter and just start blasting until they get a good hit
Get out there then
@@beavismagnum I've never seen a ulr shooter where they go blasting until they get a good hit. 3-5 shots max. Otherwise they aren't a true long range shooter.
@@theblockyrocker9060so you’re ok with taking 5 shots to get a hit on a game animal?
@beavismagnum most people I know that actually hunt long range can get these 1 round hits. The amount of practice, ammunition they reload, and the equipment they carry supports such skill. The real problem is social media will make people believe that anyone can do this without proper equipment and skill and lets be honest, there isn't a lot of ranges that truly allow shooters to get proficient enough to make these shots.
What also baffles me is the number of people that will rag on long-range hunters, but those same people will not hold "close ranfe" hunters accountable that scuff shots. You know that guy that goes to the range every year, shoots 3-5 times then turns around and thinks he can 100% the time take an animal at 0-300 yards. I have seen/heard more animals wounded to these hunters vs. long-range hunters.
This is a cool and entertaining concept. Perpetual videos with countless guests.
Awesome.👍
I have yet to meet a Marine that can shoot as good as they claim.
I love my Marines, but we don’t joke about them eating crayons over there because we think they are smart.
Same
I have yet to meet a Marine that can do ANYTHING as good as they say they are at doing 😂😂😂😂
All respect and thankful for their service. But with that being said, there are claims of greatness and there is reality…. 😂😂😂
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I met one who bragged he could eat 8 boxes of crayons and I watched him down 12 boxes!
Thank you for the reality check!!! 500 yards + cannot be the new norm.
I cut my teeth on LD shooting over 25yrs ago. Not that I do much of it, but recognizing that a 6" gong at 400yds with a subMOA rifle is a bit of a challenge(concrete table, sandbags, etc). Going longer without such niceties takes dedication to practice, experiment, and build familiarity with discomforting positions. I'm very good off a bench to 300+, 400 is fun n challenging for steel. Don't ever ask me to go at game 500+. You'd be taunting me with foolishness, and Proverbs 16: 3 admonishes about fools speaking rather than listening.
The amount of people that do not know how to use a rear bag and basic fundamentals of precision shooting is crazy.
I know right! A good rear squeeze bag is like $40-$50 and is an incredible investment!
Are the rules that you cant use a rear bag? I also don’t understand if they are too cocky to use one or if the rules dont allow
He states, "no sandbags" during the video.....because it wouldn't reflect a realistic hunting situation.
Yes backfire should now do a before and after class on how to get your self prepared for the shot, how to use the range finder and how to judge the wind. Even Eric Cortina can miss in these conditions.
Jim said they couldn’t use rear bag in stage 2. Which I don’t agree with
Elegant initiative to bring a bit more of ethics into hunting! Doing this with high entertainment value is a very nice move. Of course many in the comment sections would have scored a lot better... with cameras in their faces in a new environment.
Good lessons!!!
While Mike did not cover himself in glory, Commenters should compete in this challenge before criticizing.
We're not the ones claiming ridiculous abilities off the back of our military service and shaming an entire branch.
Correct me if im wrong, but a 1MOA rifle can only keep a 6 inch circle at 600 yards, assuming the shooter does their job perfectly. Not counting chamber heating of the catridge.
So for milk jugs at 500 yards is already pushing the ability of the rifle and ammunition itself, over the average.
I'm gonna go so far as to say virtually no one can ethically hunt at 600 yards (i.e., = putting ~99% of cold bore shots in a 8" circle in hunting conditions).
Not to mention, most '1 moa rifles' actually shoot 1.5+ moa over 100 shots. Throw in factory ammo was an ES of 75+ and 600 yards is statistically improbable
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor that I have shot a sub-moa 100 yard group with. I’ve been hunting for 20 years and I still wouldn’t shoot anything beyond 250-300. I can get closer and if I can’t I don’t deserve the kill. My buddy did long gun stuff in the military and we shoot distance for fun but not for meat. We have taken longer shots on predators though.
You're absolutely right. A lot of people are outright delusional about both the mechanical accuracy of their rifles and their marksmanship ability.
I can’t wait to see Erik Cortina slay this course! It would also be cool to get a current Tier 1 military sniper to run it.
Best bet at near 100% hit rate would be someone who places in the top few shooters of national level NRL Hunter matches. Either that or Pieter Malan from the Impact Shooting channel since he actually does (a lot) of long range hunting and is a professional long range shooter. Though if Piet did this he might call out how stupid it is to do "no bag" stages, given that serious precision hunters are all carrying some form of lightweight rear bag like a Pint-Size Gamechanger with git-lite fill.
@@jimothy-johnsonhim and the guys from the mdt channel were my original suggestion.
You need to get the guy from- Mountains, Mullets, Merica.
He is a good dude, definitely
He seems to be a shooter....for sure. He's not a cocky guy, either.
Man. This big rifle shooting game is tougher than it looks even at moderate distance. You may go through a lot of caliber, scope and rifle combinations before you find the one that fits you.
I found mine to be pretty basic. Now lot's of practice is in order.
He puts in the practice for sure. I like his videos.
Agreed
As an avid hunter and competitive shooter (metallic silhouette), I can state that THIS is exactly the kind of "practice" that produces results. Every time you shoot this way, you learn something and can take notes for reference the next time. That's assuming you're using the same gun/ammo combination the next time... but just get out there and do this, folks!
This test was a good representation of how a good competent hunter's shooting ability. In good conditions they would be able to take an elk at 600 yards. But it shows with more challenging conditions and smaller game, the maximum ethical range comes way down. Piet from "Impact Shooting" with a precision rifle that he hunts with regularly on his channel would be my nomination to hit near 100% in a similar challenge.
The targets were deer sized vitals, not elk sized. What do you think happens to lung tissue when 1000 ft. lbs. of energy misses it by 3 inches?
Just close the dang distance. The elk won't go anywhere far
I think Rachelle, Easton, and Aram Von Benedikt should come on and try it since they all clearly believe they could execute that kind of shot at the same deer.
I really, really liked this video. It was fun to see some old and new faces. Jim I was hoping to see you join in. Love to see Joseph and Ron join you. Maybe even Brad from your original Backfire. Having someone besides the shooter put together the course and the additional rules makes this competition more realistic. This really helps identify what are ethical hunting ranges. Every hunter should know what his limitations are. I know I don’t feel comfortable past 400 yards with favorable conditions. Thanks for sharing.
Tate your practice in the wind paid off. Hope to see you out and about again.
Twinke sure likes to slam that bolt back. What's up with that? Cool factor??
Sure does...annoying factor lol.
Tool factor
Proof that stalking is king.
Anyone can considering the last guys abysmal performance
Jim, that is great content showing often shooting is not as easy as we think!
I feel like the only way to do this, with firing that many rounds in a row, would have to be a heavy barrel. The sporter barrels will heat up too fast and change your impact after 5 shots. But it is easier, walking it out from close range to long, knowing the wind adjustments. You need to make them shoot the 600 yds as first shot, which will be hunting situation. So they don't have a better idea on the wind.
This is why I keep shots below 200 yards typically. If I am free holding I keep it under 150ish.
I’d love to see you shoot a water jug 10 times at 150ish yards standing. Make a vid since you are so confident to tell the world. I do agree though. I try to keep everything as close as possible and I would never shoot a bullet and hope it hits.
@@cowboyjoe3734 didn't say I could be 100%, simple that I keep them in that range.
IMO 150y free hand with no wind at a known distance on flat ground at a deer sized target is a recipe for a wounded deer.
Heads keep popping up like prairie dogs, not improving their accuracy.
Why do so many shooters come off the scope immediately after pulling the trigger? Do they think they can see better with their naked eye than with a high powered scope? Why even use a scope then? Stay on the rifle. Makes following your shots a lot easier. If you can’t see your shot, zoom out.
Because most rifles move off the point of impact due to recoil and the greater the magnification (= smaller FOV) the worse it gets. Still must not do it. It's a terrible habit and almost always results in decreased performance.
@@salninethousand2496 that is why recoil management and using the appropriate magnification (higher/more doesn’t always equal better) is so important. Much easier to get back on POA/POI if you stay on the rifle and in the scope than coming off trying to see where or if you hit your target with your naked eye. Especially if that target is a milk jug at 500 yards.
Happy shooting
Iooking for the bullet trace lol. Imo they're not used to shooting at that distance, probably using the whole 25x (or whatever their max mag is) magnificacion. Shooting a magnum cartridge or even a mid cartridge in a light weight rifle I would probably use all magnificacion to look at the target but dial back down to 10-12x for the shot. Much better chance of seeing splash in a miss, or watch the animal's reaction to the hit.
I love this! Definitely continue making these videos with fans and pros! AWSOME! Would’ve liked to know the all the shooters set ups ammo and scope and rifle wise..
I wish i lived close to yall to come one try the 1moa challenge and 2 this challenge for one to meet and tell ya in person how much i appreciate the content and 2 see how i hang awesome video series keep em coming
When Jim uses his back as a rifle rest .... Backfire takes on the literal meaning😂
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I am really enjoying this series! Keep it coming. Thanks Jim!
It would be cool to see Brady from GOHUNT as a competitor in this challenge
Nice work! This is an awesome example of why hunters not only need to get time on the range, but practice field shooting techniques and positions. Well done Jim, a great example of how real life hunting situations are not exactly the same as shooting paper and steel at the range. For me this highlights that even experienced shooters who are getting more than enough rounds downrange each year, (and at game), should be really considering just how stable their shooting position is, and how much wind is in play when they are attempting to take shots at small to medium size game at distances greater than 300yds when in a hunting situation. It probably also highlights the importance for new hunters / shooters or anyone not getting at least a hundred rounds each year on the range with validated velocity and trajectory data for their given hunting load, to limit the distances they are prepared to take shots at. If you can't hit an 8 x 8 inch target 100% of the time at 200 yds with a steady rest at the range, in all conditions, then you should seriously be considering if you are prepared to shoot past 200 yds in the field. Once you get out to 300 yds and beyond, especially if you are shooting a standard velocity hunting cartridge like a 308, 30-06 or 223 etc, with standard lead hunting bullets that do not have a high BC, then misreading the wind by even 5mph can cause you to miss the vital zone on a small to medium size animal. For example, a 308 shooting a 130gr Barnes TTSX at 2900 fps (which isn't super slow) is getting approx. 9 inches of wind drift with a 10 mph full value wind at 300m/ 330yds. It is not difficult when shooting across a valley from a sheltered position to assume a 5mph wind when it could be 10 mph through the valley. This means that the margin for error / hit probability with a 1 moa hunting load has increased from 3 inches to 7-8 inches if you misread the wind. Yep, I know a lot of people are going to read this and right about now be thinking that 7-8 inches sounds like an extremely exaggerated figure that you could potentially miss by at 300m.......but the fact is a 1 moa hunting load which is pretty standard accuracy if you are shooting a factory gun with factory ammo in the field, has a 3 inch margin for error, plus the 4-5 inch margin for error on the wind call depending on the bullet BC and velocity. And this is at only 300m/330yds.....of course you can half this with the correct calibre choice!... But if we are talking about the average hunter then there will be a bucket load of hunters with standard moderate velocity calibres like 30-06 and 308 using factory hunting ammo that would make Jims challenge even harder again!
Pronghorn vitals are about 8- 9 inches deer are about 10-11 inches and elk are about 15 -15 inches. Milk jugs are 5.5 inches wide so this is not a realistic challenge. Just to be clear I am not in favor of long range hunting.
And 5.5 inches is just about 1 MOA at 600 yards which they are shooting to so they shouldn't miss if they do it right
5.960" W x 9.790" H It is realistic enough for vitals on deer / pronghorn. A heart is 5" in size.
Jim I just love this series. It’s very realistic and there is a lot of information that can be taken out into the field
I wish people understood that this in no way represents ones ability to hunt. Being an ethical long range hunter has way more to do with knowing when NOT to rake the shot.
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Best part about you is that you are real. No crazy fish stories or anything like that, you just tell it like it is and all the experts out there get to see what reality looks like. And I don't think the Dentist is fair....those guys have some of the steadiest hands in the world 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The hillside shooting exercise is the norm for sheep hunters and Elk hunters around here.
The longrange hunters that I know cannot shoot from postions at 100 & 200 yards at our range.
Hey, prone shooting is without any shooting aids, so is offhand.
Old timer here, former Guide as well. I've dude hunter/ clients miss the vitals on a Moose at short range.
This is a realistic exercise, and offers a example of what a hunter experiences .
So much gopher head off rifle stocks!
So I hunt a lot and do hunting style competitions.
Assuming a modern Center fire bottle neck case and a standard factory hunting rifle.
The top 10 competitions achieve…
Thanks so much for producing the best shooting videos. This was a real-world challenge and showed how had it is to connect at long range. Again thanks so much for the quality and topics of your program.
If you could somehow get The Reaper Nicholas Irving, I think you could get near 100%
these guys made the same mistake: they brought rifles chambered in heavy recoiling calibers, hunter profile barrels, factory stocks. Only one guy had a decent scope- Vortex GE. Moreover, why did they have to shoot in an unstable positions like off a rock? Doesn't make sense.
Great challenge... Still amazed that all these shooters have a 50% hit rate and still say I'd shoot out to 600. Guess 50% of the time they don't mind wounding game. Can't wait to see who's up next.
Jake said his limit is 250-300 yards. That’s a pretty honest assessment. Twinkie is leaving like Mike the marine, and still thinking he’s better then he is.
In perfect conditions, yes. This was far from perfect conditions, bordering on unrealistic. They were not allowed a bag, put in bad shot situations like on the side of shale hill where no hunter would even be moving from A-B, and it was very windy. If your not winded, have a good rest, low wind, and a rifle in a decent chambering then 600 is not unrealistic at all.
@Nick-sx6jm These are exactly the conditions one could expect on a hunt. I don't know what kind of hunting you've been doing but there's no such thing as perfect conditions. Oh I guess if your taking game on high fence, from a side x side, with all your prs gear, with someone calling corrections, you might think that's hunting. Lol...
What Jim did here was perfect hunting situations and everyone wounded 50% of the time....
@@kevinmckenna8948 I disagree. If you often find yourself out in the open on the side of a shale cliff out of breath without even having the proper equipment like a bag, some kind of bipod or rest, and a 6.5 creed then your probably not a very good hunter. There are lots of situations where you could be on a old logging road or find a good flat spot to glass and have pretty ideal conditions to stretch things out. Even so, It all depends on the conditions. They all said that 200-300 is max with poor conditions and would only go farther if things were ideal.
@Nick-sx6jm So the out of breath part is to simulate the excitement that comes over one in the moment. Pretty realistic to me. Again if you can't make a shot 100% of the time at X range you shouldn't be shooting that far at our game animals. Everyone seems to not understand this.... And everyone who shot this challenge can't do it past 200, 250.... But it's the big fad now so our game animals will suffer...
I am a little confused because I was expecting everyone to say lower range numbers after these shots. Did they reflect what they did that day?
Seems to me that they still overestimate their capabilities.
My ethical range is 200 meters an I look for 150 meters max if possible…. Why? Because I hit more than 95% at these ranges.
Jim, with you and Erik holding these challenges, I believe you both are doing a great service to the hunting industry -Thanks!
Your showing us, many of us are not as good as we think we are.
But arrogance, as the Marine showed, didn't really seem to change his attitude. The book of Proverbs talks about the folly of fools. Which many of times I have sollowed that pill.
Good job, keep it up, man!
Burpees? I may have to reconsider. 😂
Ha! You can dooooo it!!!🤣
With my medical conditions with nerve damage and muscles and joint I would not be able to do burpees lol. but I can shoot. I have my own shooting range I have Targets out to 1560 yards and was shooting gophers between 400 and 1000 and that was a 20% hit ratio
Great episode! Can’t wait for episode 3.
I wonder how many people criticizing the shooting here could get out there and do better. In my experience not very many. I knew a very accurate shooter he would even shoot well out to a mile and I asked him what is the max possible effective range of somebody who doesn't know a whole ton about all the variables. he told me 400 yd is about it and after that there's many variables that come into play to where you need a lot more experience. If you cannot hit that milkjug 10 out of 10 times then you're shooting too far for a white tail deer. The biggest challenge I see is there are very few ranges we can stretch out to a distance and see what we can do.
I didn't see anybody adjusting for parallax at different distances
Here in Wyoming I have learned to try to negate wind by changing shooting location. If you can shoot into the wind, it is often worth the extra time.
👍 good Challange to remind all that you shouldnt take Shots at Game over these Distances i hold my Shots for Hunting under 300m thats my Personal Limit and only when the Game is Totally relaxed and i have a good Rest for my Rifle and every Time in the World on Animals i have shot several Times on Paper on further Distances up to 500m but i wouldnt shoot on an Animal this far (i hunt since 1996 and i have to harvest around 50 Animals every Year Red Deer, Roe and Wildboar here in Germany)
This is so much fun
Nice video. Keep em coming. The steep hillside would be a pass for me in hunting situations. Had to loose a chance on a 386 inch bull elk once due to similar situation. Couldn't find a stable shooting area with visibility. Also have had to pass on 170 inch mule deer due to wind and 400 yards. I was so steady and knew the rifle but didn't feel comfortable in the wind. I have also felt confident in my shot and missed. Just love the videos. Only thing better for practice on big game than milk jugs and steel is coyotes, rabbits, and rock chucks around here.
Did you run up and measure them, then run back? Probably named them too?😂😂😂 just messing with ya👍
I would love to try this myself. I know I couldn't hit them all, but it would be fun.
Great challenge, not easy. I liked seeing 3 shooters at once. Thanks for the tips you gave in each stage. Greetings from Mendoza, Argentina.
You should also have them hike up to the shooting spot with a heavy load to also add fatigue in to the testing! You’re not shooting as accurately if you’ve been hiking the whole day with a heavy load on your back vs just fresh off the truck
This is a very realistic challenge hunters face while out in the wilderness in their pursuit of harvesting game for the table or trophy hunting. Well done Jimmy, I hope that this type of hunting challenge grows bigger and better in the future.
If you were truly evil, you could just farm all these silly hothead ego shooters for content. You'd be set for years😂
Mike the Marine did a literal back fire ....shot off his back folks
That's a good one :-)
What was the third guy using? dont think it got mentioned
Looks like a Tikka T3x tactical?
Tikka T3x Lite or CTR based on trigger guard but not sure on caliber
It was a Tikka T3X CTR, which is only chambered in non-magnum short action cartridges and usually either .308W or 6.5CM.
Looks like a Tikka CTR, but why is he single feeding instead of using the magazine?
Tikka T3X CTR in 6.5 CM. Banish 30 suppressor. I left the magazine in my truck, but got it out later.
Extremely entertaining! Keep em coming!
I would like to see how they do if they had a good range. Its harder to range a milk jug than an antalope.
Mike, the marine did not even complete the assigned task. He is a no go at this station. Is also a perfect example of somebody that is so full of their own hubris they can’t even pick the proper equipment to do the job much less possess the skill set needed to compete
You could be right, but thems is fighting words.
I sure would like to see you do better.
@@NelsonZAPTM I’m not sure if you’re being serious about what I said being fighting words or just having a little fun with me. In all seriousness though, what I said was just simply painfully obvious and out in the open for everyone else to observe also. Either way that ok, I stand behind them.
If Jim would have me on his channel to attempt the challenge, I would be more than happy to accept. Do I think I would do better than the first challenge? Absolutely.
Awesome video, again!! Looking forward to Erik and Jim doing it next time 👍
This is an eye opening drill. Watching most youtube videos, it makes all shooters look like pro snipers. I'm a decent shot (not a sniper) and this brings things into reality.
Military snipers aren't as accurate as you might think they are. I'm not saying they aren't good shots! Hunters and snipers have different goals. We hunter want a clean fast kill, snipers just need to take the guy out of the fight. If a sniper hits a bad guy in the leg, or arm, or in the belly button that guy has been taken out of the fight. If a hunter does that it's a complete failure.
@@jackbuendgen389 Copy. When I say sniper, I meant it as a "marksman". Even the "grim reaper" sniper mentioned most shots were well under 200 yards.
A helpful takeaway for me here is that I’m a better shot than I thought I was. I’m not claiming I could do well on the challenge, but these types of TH-camrs aren’t as good as I assumed they were.
@@LFDNC SAME!
Great video! I would say this proves that most of us shouldn’t be taking long shots at animals. We and our families aren’t going hungry if we don’t make a kill. By not taking a risky shot you might get a better shot at the same or a different animal and even if you don’t, you get to keep hunting! Keep up the great work!
Jim, thanks to you and the guys for making this video and the other challenge videos. It brings to bear how many factors there are to consider in hunting game at long distance. Personal marksmanship skills, equipment limitations, environmental conditions, and so much more must be taken into consideration.
Erik Cortina made a statement on his video on choosing his rifle for the challenge. He said he believes a person should be proficient in shooting twice the distance that they’re hunting game at. I believe that to be very practical advice. Keep the videos coming 👍🏼
This really shows the truth for what is a realistic distance to shoot when hunting. Great job Jim. OK I shoot all the time but our range is just 100 yards. That puts me at 200 with all the variables if I want to be truthful.
I love this challenge 😂
I love these rubber-meets-road videos. guntube is so edited it gives everyone a false sense of confidence.
Lord the lack of fundamentals is insane. I bet they could increase their hit percentage by just getting linearly square behind their rifles and learning what a rear bag is.
Confirms my theory 400 yards max no matter how good you THINK you are.
You noticed that the 7 mag was best, in this shoot.
I think the shooter might have had something to do with the results.
Awesome! Will any big name TH-cam gun celebrities accept the challenge? Great content. Keep this going.
That was an awesome video! Real world challenges, real world results...i have learned to sneak in closer, so my success rate is better. And i believe that I am demonstrating more respect for my prey
You should have Brady Miller from GOHUNT take on this challenge.
Your turn Jim!
Proof that the majority of rifle hunters don’t practice with their equipment. Getting good training and then proper practice is so worth the money. Fundamentals of marksmanship matter.
Biggest things seem to be building a stable position and wind. I bring my rear bag and kestrel with me. I usually have a tripod too. I struggle getting steady if Im not prone, so shooting off a backpack and tripod is something ive been practicing quite a bit.
Would like to have seen a baseline accuracy test on each of the rifles and maybe compare that to taking 5 shots at the farthest target from the initial supported prone position. Those distances are a test of the rifle and ammo in addition to the shooter.
Must have been a big sneeze
Switchback outdoors should do this challenge with their sig cross magnum. Those kids can sure shoot rocks!
I'd love to try this challenge
Jim - I really want to see what PRS and F class competitive shooters can do on this course. With their heavy comp rifles and with light hunting rifles.
I WANNA SEE DESERT DOG OUTDOORS AND MATT FROM MATTS OFF ROAD DO THIS
I just watched the intro 5 times so I understood the criteria. 100 out of 100 shots, on a water filled milk jug, out to 600 yards in realistic hunting situations? I'm going to hazard a guess that for most people, that is impossible. Certainly is for me. No freaking way.
I would really like to have their elevation and windages and estimation of real wind displayed
I'm curious to why none of them have a bubble level. Kind of makes you wonder if they did have one, if those minor misses left or right would have been hits.
This might have been said already but I haven’t seen it yet.
I’m going to speak from dozens of long range kills on game animals from antelope to elk.
A hunter has more than double the horizontal width of a milk jug to effectively kill a big game animal. You said in this video the vitals are 9” wide on a deer. Well a neck shot is also a vital it. And will yield a very quick kill. So anyone with any sort of time shooting in the wind and understanding how to bracket wind calls would have to do something pretty crazy to miss a 20” wide target. That’s roughly 2 moa at 1000 yards. So if you took say a 180 berger hybrid from a 7 saum @ 2900fps you would have to miss judge the wind by 5mph to miss that shot. That’s at 1000 yards. Let’s do 500, well you guessed it. You now have to miss judge the wind my 10 mph to miss that 20” wide vital from the neck to the back of the lungs. Deer size target. The start to this whole challenge was telling long range hunters that there shots were unethical. I have never one in my life had a big game animal shot with a rifle get away. And I have dozens of kills from 350-866yards. Have I hit every single one in the 10 ring? Nope. But I know enough to bracket best and worse case scenario on the animals vital area (head neck junction to back of lungs). If my uncertainty in the wind is greater that what I can bracket on the animal I won’t take the shot.
As much as I like watching these videos I would say it is a very unethical way to judge someone’s skill to kill a big game animal. I’m not even going to discuss vertical misses because if you have much experience vertical misses are a non issue.
All dozens were one shot kills??
@@elkmo41 There's never been a shooter in the history of the world that has put "dozens" of cold bore shots in a 10" circle at 350-866 yard in hunting conditions. TBH many (MANY) hunters "hunt" by shooting for the best and just dealing with the fallout - multiple shots, long tracking sessions of a wounded animal, lost animals.
If there shooting any hornady ammo don't go off the listings of the boxes cuz hornady already admitted to the change of powders cuz of availability on reloading Weatherbys channel just thought I'd throw that out there for this professional video
What are your thoughts about a tripod with a rifle mount? (bogpod clamp, ect). After taking a long range class I will definitly be taking one with me strapped to my pack whenever I am hunting.
Good video. Liking the series. But some of those burpees looked a little questionable
I really like the real world scenarios, thank you for doing these.
All were slapping triggers and two were getting off the scope to try to see the impact. And no shooting glasses! True to form, the best performer (Jake) had the most realistic assessment of performance ("2 or 300 yards") which incuriously is the limit for probably 99% of hunters. 600 yards? I don't think so.
This challenge is really fun to watch, and I'm going to take a day this summer and run myself through my own challenge. More than anything though, this is intended to make you fail and give the appearance that no one should shoot at game at 400 yards or more. If I can get a good range and find a steady shooting position with mild wind conditions, 600 yards is a chip shot. In a lot of these challenges, I just would not shoot. It doesn't give you the option to move to an advantages position or wait for the animal to feed out of the hole it's in. The fact that you have to shoot or it counts as a miss is a bit unfair I think.
Those that hate can't and Jim's really attracted all the haters to this channel.
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I’ve got a guy that’ll take that challenge and he’s fairly positive that he can hit 100/100. If I was going to put money on someone to do it would definitely be him.
I don't think most people even realize how far 600 yds is. I saw one guy take a dahl sheep on Modern Mountain Man's alaska hunting channel, @600 yds.