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At what distances were you guys shooting? I never heard you state such info in this broadcast. I don't want to assume anything about your, Science data.
I've carried only one rifle for the past 50 years and have taken everything from jackrabbits to bull moose, most all with just one shot, my beloved M1 Garand. It was accurized by the US Army gunsmiths at Camp Perry in 1970 and sold to me for $125, ammo included. It still shoots MOA or better groups all day long. No SS barrel, no carbon fiber stock, no $4000 scope, just good fun.
I think there may have been some pride in stuff back then as opposed to just cranking it out My first rifle was an old Rem 700 in .243 it only grouped 1/2" all day long and I foolishly thought that was not good enough (compared to a custom) and had it blueprinted and Mcmillan Stock added Should have left well enough alone for being a factory rifle lol Point being, That old Remington was typical of how they used to shoot
@@drd1924my first was a Remington 700 in .243 also. I had to get some work done on it to make it accurate though. The factory tool that made the crown was faulty. So my gunsmith cut the end off and cut a target crown and made the trigger really sweet. It shoots really well.
My most accurate rifle was a Remington 788 chambered in .308 Winchester. Couldn't get a decent group with Remington or Winchester ammunition. Then tried Federal pointed soft point 175 grains and consistently got sub moa. Changed to a Leupold 2x7 scope and it seemed to tighten the groups even more.
He finally names the cartridge at 9:10 as the 6 dasher. I’m putting it here so that people don’t have to listen to nearly 10 minutes of worthless verbage to find out.
Thanks! So it's the Dasher? Big deal... yawn... Any wildcat of the tried and trued 6mm BR cartridge will perform likewise. Or any 6mm cartridge, provided the capacity is not excessive. So we could start with the 6-221 fireball, proceed with the 6-223, the 6-222 Rem Mag (or 6x47 Walker) the 6-250 Sav (or 6mm International, another Walker's brainchild) and end with the 6 X, or the .22-250 Rem fireformed in a short reamed .243 Winchester chamber. I didn't mention the 6 PPC because it is in a totally different galaxy. It is simply the most accurate 6mm cartridge ever designed. Have a nice day.
@@rachidluildha2676 I agree. It may be a good cartridge. But it doesn’t make much sense to use such an obscure cartridge unless one is a bench-rest shooter. The are much better cartridges for the rest of us.
@@aphyd23 Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I just think the Dasher is nothing to write Mom about. I'm a wildcatter but I would never advise a non advanced reloader to use a wildcat, for obvious reasons. If the author wants to praise a 6mm, the .243 Win will do the job. Personally, I favor the 6,5mm so I use a .260 Rem ( high quality basic brass is plentiful) , a 6,5x55 Swede and for extra long range, a .264 Win Mag with a 30" barrel ( good basic 7mm Rem Mag brass is fully available) Have a nice day.
In 1994, I built a hunting rifle using pieces I bought from a co-worker. He collected the parts but never assembled them. It was a 1960's Santa Barbara Mauser 98 barreled action with a 26" tapered barrel. Stock was a straight pull, Monte Carlo cheekpiece, Reinhardt Fajin, roughly contoured piece that I cut to my length of pull and epoxy bedded the action into. Since it was chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum, and I don't like heavy recoil, I fitted it with a shotgun butt pad. Shooting 168gr Sierra MatchKing bullets at a moderate load and using a 6-18 Simmons hunting scope, it quite regularly shot 0.23-0.28 5 shot groups at the range. Literally one ragged hole and from a cold bore first shot. I gave it to my youngest and they shoot it as regularly as they can afford ammunition. Even with factory loads, heavy bullets only, it still produces 0.25-0.50 groups at 100 yds. Unfortunately, the large case, belted magnums are being ignored in favor of the newer "kids on the block". It is still the most accurate rifle I've ever shot, and I built it over a couple of weekends!
The reasons hunters don't use the cartridges for hunting are 1. Cost 2. Light bullets. My model 70 winchester cost new, probably less than the barrel, or the action of the target rifle you have here, and it shoots groups as small or smaller than this setup. And nobody I know wants to pack around a rifle that wieghs what 15 lbs or so. We don't NEED a $3000 sniper rifle to shoot a deer at 50 yards or an elk at 100 yards. All we really need to put meat on the table is a gun and cartridge that we can reliably put every shot in an 8 inch bullseye in any conditions of wind and weather at estimated Ranges from 50 to 150 yards. A WW I surplus rifle your dad or grampa bought for ten bucks or less is all the average hunter really needs.
yeah, well, This Old Man agrees with your points, however I wonder why in tarnation you feel the need to come on here and post the kind of remark that in my view, takes away from Mr. Vickers?....As a matter of fact, I also wonder why Mr. Vickers feels the need to interfere with the points that the writer puts forth with such elegance compared to us rural area folks with limited knowlege of writing that delivers the thoughts of wise men?
In just about every sport some hunters just want to go out without understanding ballistics and pinpoint accuracy ! As long as they can hit a pie plate at 100 yards and can put meat on the table during hunting season , that’s all they care about ! I am not one of them but I sometimes envy those guys ! 😂
At 70 years of age with a lifetime of experiences I am convinced that the entire firearms industry must continuously introduce new cartridges and accessories with the underlying marketing message driving home the point that if you don't have the "latest & greatest", then you are just outgunned and not keeping up with the times. The standard hunting calibers that have been around for multiple decades will perform superbly as they have since great grandpa's era and will continue to do so into the future. Most hunters East of the Mississippi take shots at 100 yards or less, where you don't need long range pin-point accuracy. Again, it's all about marketing, so the hype will continue as-long-as there are guns and accessories being manufactured.
1. Proof Research Barrel, 24” carbon fiber 2. Impact Precision 737r action 3. KRG Bravo, Gen. 2 Chassis/Stock 4. Triggertech 700 Special, Trigger 5. Area419 Hellfire Match, Muzzle brake 6. Atlas BT46-LW17 PSR bipod 7. Vortex Precision Match, Scope rings 8. Vortex Optics, HD LHT 4.5x22x50 Scope 9. Magazine This is what I put together. It’s an extremely accurate budget build. Budget, not meaning cheap or poor quality components. I saved money and bought each piece as I could afford it. Then I paid a reputable precision rifle builder to put it all together. It took me just a little over 19 months to build this as I could afford it. I think this is the best way to build a precision rifle on a budget. If you can save money and be patient, you will eventually have an outstanding Long range rifle.
I've spent 10's of thousands of dollars trying to get a rifle that would group like that and on day I stopped in at a Pawn shop by my house and purchased a 03-A3 Remington barrel dated 1942 for $325.00 and I went home and the next weekend went to the range and shot it with a load I worked up , Only made 5 of those rounds and I couldn't believe it just 1 ragged hole I've never looked at another rifle since 30 years ago and still shoots the same .
The Swedes beat you to it 130 tears ago. The 6.5 Creedmoor is just a slightly shorter 6.5x55 with a sharper shoulder. And the Swedish Mauser 1896 and following carbines are super accurate. That's a cool rifle/scope, etc..
@jacspring5459 , my family and I own a gun store, and one of the guns I most wish I hadn’t let get away was an older CZ rifle with a 2-stage trigger chambered in 6.5x55 Swedish… we had it on the shelf for a couple of months, and nobody in our area really knew much about that cartridge at the time. I started doing research on it, and I had decided on a Monday morning that if it was still on our shelf come that Friday, I was just going to buy it myself. I kid you not… a guy from out of town walked in 2 hours after we opened that morning, looked up and down our shelves, saw that rifle and said, “Lemme take a look at that one if you don’t mind.” He held it, looked at the side of it and saw what it was chambered in, worked the action a couple of times, tried the trigger on both settings (without us having to even tell him it did that), and said, “I’ll take it.” That’s probably the only gun I was ever actually bummed that we sold 😂
Years I had the crummed on the 243, but honestly once I started Digging into 6mm arc, I've found a new appreciation for the 243 (always gave it credit for dropping deer). Ballistically superior, and done some research while flirting with the arc. Likewise, reason I'm choosing the arc is to be a total dweeb. The cartridge intrigued me.
In 2019, my grandson and I, were rechecking the zero on our hunting rifles at a local public shooting range near my house, when this guy from OHIO pulls up and starts shooting at dime sized targets at 100 yards- he was very good, and everyone at the range took notice- especially my twelve year old grandson...he, like everyone else getting ready for deer season, were intrigued to say the least, by this strange visitor and his equally impressive, and very expensive, looking firearm- the gun was super heavy, super accurate, and with the most expensive piece of glass id ever seen in real life on a public gun range- guy had the most elaborate, and heavy, carbon tripod I'd ever seen- ... I just couldn't stand it....I had to know....-so I waited till he finished a string of fire and took that opportunity to strike up a conversation with the gentleman- He was shooting a 6mm Dasher (i still have the brass he gave me and my grandson)...he even let my 12 year old grandson shoot his rifle ...and before he left to resume his journey ( he was on his way back to Ohio) he gave both of us some empty brass as souvenirs...one of the coolest things I ever experienced at a public range .....I never got his name...never saw him again....and never heard anyone else talk about this amazing cartridge until your video.
When you measure your groups measure from outside of hole to outside of hole of the two farthest apart, then subtract the bullet diameter from that measurement, and that is the correct group size. ie: .438”-.308 cal= .130” group. The correct way to measure a group 👍
In 1970 I turned 17. I bought my first rifle Remington Model 700 ADL cal. .243. It took me a few years to put a scope on it. When I was older in my late twenties. I started to reload. Then hunting. All the old farts on the deer lease talked about how accurate there rifles were. My little .243 always shoot 3/4 to1inch factory ammo. I wanted more. I read Shooting Times Western all about reloading for accuracy. I read other mags also. I learned index your factory rounds to the chamber, 243 up. All once fired cleaned. Trimmed to length. Then chamfered. Deburred the flash hole. Uniform the primer pocket. Weight all the brass. 100 rds might give you 40-50 rds. Neck size your brass. Weight all of the bullets. Hand weight all the powder charges. Make sure to start bullet straight. Check all rounds for overall length. Don't forget to index the round when chambered. With this my groups are sub 1/4 in. A little hint square base bullets give tighter groups at 100 yds. Boattailed bullets will give smaller groups at 150 yds. and beyond.
PRS is the current darling of the competitive rifle world , but don't take those rifles to a benchrest match & expect to win . Benchrest may have lost popularity but still holds all records for smallest groups !! Jim Carmichael set a record with his 6mm ppc , 10.5 lb rifle class , 5 -5shot groups averaged 0.1441 inches !! Years ago the 222 remington was used to set a world record group of just 0.009 inches ! Still amazing accuracy by today's standards with all of our technology . Cheers & have fun with the shooting sports .
Yeah, the thought cane to me during the video: you could take this idea to the extreme and throw a benchrest rifle out there and then ask “can we make a hunting rifle out of it?” No, you cannot, unless you happen to look like 1980s Schwarzenegger.
PRS and benchrest are to completely different sports, though. A single load solid action vs. repeater. stationary vs. dynamic. Of course, a sport where you single loading off a bench with a semi fixed rifle is going to be inherentlty a more accurate system than a shooter running around, and shooting in awkward position is going to be less accurate still hitting .3 moa groups. Apples to Oranges. Both fruits but are completely different in everything else. Don't get me wrong. Both sports are fun and serve their purpose, but no one is claiming there prs gun would win a benchrest, same goes for the benchrest/f class guys none of them are going to a prs match expecting to win the match. Either would probably do well, but there is not a chance of winning
@@elcidcampeador9629 Mr. Carmichael's record was in the 10.5lb light varmint class . A single shot yes , but you could still carry & hunt with it . Not so with that 20lb prs tactical/ sniper set up . The heading of the video was world's most accurate rifle & cartridge , not the most popular prs setup .
The most accurate rifle I have shot and deer hunted with for several years until I stopped hunting is an original Rem 700 Sendaro 25-06 with 26" heavy barrel. I purchased that rifle when they were first introduced about 30 years ago. Out of the box, adjusted the trigger and mounted a scope, worked up hand loads and settled on Nolser 100 gr ballistic tip. I still pull that rifle out once every few years, it will still shoot 5-shot ragged hole groups at 100 yrd with the same handloads.
Factory ammo is decent, and can never approach the accuracy that hand loads tuned to the rifle will give you. Powder, primer, brass and bullet selection make a world of difference.
@@ShovelMonkey I am aware of this. But as someone just getting into rifle shooting, I have yet to start loading my own. So many things I need.....so little money.
@@Catgat37 You will learn that as you handload, you will shoot more because it costs less per round. *HOWEVER* this addiction only grows, and you will find yourself spending more and more money on this hobby. Car guys experience the shame trouble, My '68 Barracuda _NEEDS_ that Hurst shifter, those superstock leaf springs and a set of 1.12" torsion bars for the street and drag torsion bars for the track, upgraded brakes, tunnel ram and dual carburetors, TTI headers, H-pipe (X-pipes are to make your car sound like eurotrash 6 bangers), 4.10 gears in that Dana 60, Forged Weld wheels, M/T drag radials, moly cage, fiberglass front clip, lexan windows, fully built a727, 400 block, forged 3.915 crank, forged I-beam (not H beam) connecting rods, forged pistons, TrickFlow heads, ARP head and header studs, Ferrea hollow stem intake valves, conical valve springs, tool steel retainers fuel pump, pressure regulator, timing gear, dry sump oil and cooling system, crank scraper, and finally to top it off, a set of fuzzy dice. Word of advice, chose ONE hobby. If you decide to be a car guy AND a gun guy, it's gonna be a LOT of fun, but your wallet will feel mighty light! ;)
@@ShovelMonkey I have been a gun guy for years. Mainly handguns. It can be expensive. But the rifles are getting crazy. After a bunch of upgrades, one of my Remington 700s is now more expensive than my Mark 23.
The title caught my attention, so I am checking it out. Surprised to learn this is a very similar build to my first attempt to make a PRS rifle, lol. 6 Creedmoor, Impact action with Bartlein barrel chambered by Stuteville, MDT chassis, Vortex Razor. I built this with the intent to have something beyond my beginner capabilities for the last year. Starting my 2nd year of PRS now, first match of our season next Sunday the 29th! I have been working up my own loading, and getting some 5 shot .24 MOA groups during testing! I have videos here on my channel showing my progress from building the rifle last summer, first matches and the practice and prep I do between matches as well as match reviews after each match. Today will be getting my final ammo testing done, confirm at distance and then I will be set for this first match! Hoping to start at a much better position than last year at my first match, lol. If anyone wants to follow along with someone getting into PRS and showing my mistakes and successes, come on over and check me out! I am happy to have more people watch and give me tips and suggestions to improve!! Have a great Sunday everyone, and wish you all a great week!!!
@steveray8022 Yeah, that new Alpha brass took a few firings to break in. Seemed hard and the shoulders didn't move the first 2 firings! By the 3rd, they were acting normal. Got everything set up and seems to be performing well. I'll know in a few hours. My next match is in the morning! Have a great weekend!!
Guys, not trying to be mean here, but it's not "indexed to the chamber" or "breaking in" the brass, it's called fireforming the brass. Now, are you saying the Alpha brass wouldn't fireform right away, that it took 3 firings? That is literally unbelievable.
My elk hunting rig and my .223 wyld are both bartlien barrels. Both consistently shoot half MOA. Some days 1/4 MOA. Much of the results are because of the barrel.
What load are you using for elk? Still looking for a good loading for boar but market offer almost any good loads in 223 for hunting big game. It's all about varminting loads cause everyone end up using 308 or 30-06 for big game
Enjoyed that episode. You are a blessed man living the dream. Fortunate to have worked with a master gun maker when I was 20yrs old. He built me a custom .270 sport rifle with a Mauser action. First three shot group at the range produced a widened hole in the paper. I remember him being angry because he thought I had missed the target with shot #2 & #3. A rifle doesn't have to weigh 20# to be accurate. It was not uncommon for him to place in the top three when shooting at 500 meter competitions with his light weight sporters. Now I'm 67. Harvested plenty of whitetail, mule deer, wild pigs, coyotes, etc with it. It is still a tack-driver. He made me promise never to shoot factory ammo out of it. I only shoot my own reloads.
The Dasher jas been around for awhile. My old mentor, who has passed away, a 5 shot group at 600 yards measuring .989. He missed a wind call on last shot. Fantastic cartridge. Sweet rifle.
I will not disagree with that statement, when Mike Walker and Jim stickle came up with the six BR Remington and from that case the six BRA the six Dasher the six BRX.. 6 BR Norma, Mike Walker was really on to something back then. He was a genius God bless him we surely lost a giant in the gun world.
6mm Dasher is amazingly accurate. My father is an active BR shooter and has set some local range records using it. Hes primarily shooting 105gr and/or 108gr Bergers. However, he gets bored sometimes. Recently he decided to build a 6BR and has been able to match the accuracy of the dasher with it. The right combination of twist, BC, freebore, and of course load development and you can make most cartridges shoot very well. It takes time patience and the knowledge of course.
If you can find the older YT video, George Gardner (G.A. Precision) explains that 6GT was built specifically to optimize a 6mm bullet/case combo employing Varget powder. And feed well.
I shot a 308 built for a sniper in Iraq that would pull down sub 0.25" @ 100m... I did it myself with him instructing me. It was a sick piece of equipment. Surgeon one piece with a Krieger, Zeiss glass that was experimental at the time with the first horus type reticle. $10K setup and nothing like it. And, it did it with Lake City military sniper grade ammo. Would love to own one. You don't need exotic cartridges to shoot like that. This is why I would tell guys who were new to shooting to pickup a 308 first to see if they liked it; instead of sinking a lot of money into 6.5 Creedmoor right out of the gate.
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor from proof research. After I broke in I took it to the range here in Pennsylvania and I set up a target 300 yards. I use the vortex diamondback scope and had at 14 power and I fired two shots for my group. When I fired the next shot, I realize I slightly shifted my point of aim. I held that same spot for the next two shots, then check my grouping. The overall grouping was 2 inches of 300 yards. However, the first two shots were within half an inch and the final three shots were in half an inch from my called shot. So 6.5 Creedmoor gun from proof research could potentially shoot a 1/6 moa group at 300 yards
I hope the hunting audience realizes that hit probability in hunting is dominated by wind and not little groups. Get a true 3/4 inch gun and go figure out how to read the wind.
I have been running a 6 Creedmoor the past three years for hunting and I couldn’t be happier. From prairie dogs to bull elk, I’ve been elated with the results.
First time ever shooting a center fire rifle was my friends 6.5 CM, and I was hitting steel at 400 yards the very first shot and 800 yards by the end of the session.
@inky8123 I mostly use 108 eldm and 108 berger. We go predator calling sometimes during bear season. If it works on elk should be ok for bear then if we have one come in. Thanks
The barrel is the rifle. All you really need is for the rest of the parts to be stiff enough that they don't move about when the bullet is moving down the bore. And, after recoil, it's nice if it all sets back down into the same position again. You can certainly take a lot of cost and weight off of that rifle and not hurt accuracy. Go with a regular muzzle brake. You can use a cheaper trigger. Go with a lighter chassis. Go with an ordinary bubble level attached to the rail. Keep the action and barrel as is.
@@bobbygray496 The barrel certainly does ring like a bell once the primer gets hit. I'm just skeptical that that particular muzzle device actually does anything. Maybe in F-Class? Or perhaps even there it is an illusion.
Basically did this. I run a lonepeak fuzion, 24" Cfw barrel in 6bra in a manners LRH ~7.5lbs unscoped, most accurate gun, mild recoil. Great for blacktail
I just built a PRS-style heavy rifle on a LP Fuzion and the action (with no break in) is already so nice I want to get a smaller contour prefit steel barrel and another stock so I can switch things out to do NRL Hunter with it.
Love my 6mm so much, I bought and set up a 2nd rifle with the same specs for my wife and kids to use. Last years buck, the bullet (87gr), was a quartering shot as the buck walked away (127yards), downhill, at sunset on the final day. It wasn't a shot I would never normally take but it was a now OR no meat situation. I placed the shot directly at the back of the ribcage and the bullet exited out the front dead center of the chest. It went through the rib bones, took out the right lung completely and left a softball size hole in the lower throat/chest area, stoping the buck instantly. Absolute precision shot from an amazing cartridge! Less recoil, lighter weight rifle, faster on target, plenty of power to harvest a Blacktail Buck... whats not to love!
I decided on 6mm creedmoor for my 6mm build. Went with a 1:7 twist to run heavier bullets, and it is hard not to shoot sub 1/2 moa with H4350 and Berger 115’s!
Just informationally for viewers, most people are using 100 gr. in 243 just because of it's penetration on smaller large game (white tail/ antelope). Most hunters don't need this kind of accuracy, and brass for .243 (and other similar game use cartridges) is just quite a bit cheaper with over-the-counter ammo available anywhere.
I reload for my 243 and I rarely shoot a 100gr bullet lol, I mostly shoot 75gr or lighter, I get better groups than heavier bullets, much flatter trajectory to 300 yards, and the varmits and predators up to large idaho wolves all basically drop on the spot when hit. And I know a lot of guys that use their 243 exactly the same way, it can be used for deer and even elk, but there's much better options and the caliber is perfect for high speed light projectiles that shoot very flat for a very practical range.
@@austerityclauseas a target rifle you are correct. I used up a barrel pretty quick in F-class. Hunting rifle is different in that we don’t run the barrel as hot.
After all the videos I have watched on u tube over the last few years, seems like the most important is barrel quality and having a rigid platform to put the barreled action in.
Impeccable timing on this. I have machined a 6mm dasher and have followed the PRS shooters information. Well I just loaded up 50 pcs using 105 gr hybrid target and target. Then 50 pcs using the 108 gr elite hunters using Varget. I did go with the proof carbon fiber barrel and purchased my own reamer and machined myself. MDT box mags for the win along with an MDT field stock. All I can say is after shooting both the loads today it's stupid accurate. All groups were less than .318" shooting out to 500 yds. This will be my go to hunting rig with the 108 elite hunters for mule deer this fall. I've got a lot of room for improvement as I haven't even began load development, but I know this will truly be a tack driver. Thanks for the video topic and keep em coming!
9:13 I agree. You've successfully offended thousands of viewers by not naming your cartridge until 10 minutes in, and I don't blame them. Total fail. Punchable face level fail.
I use my savage 110 BA Stealth in 300wm. Had it for 8 yrs now, it's my main hunting rifle, weighing in at 18 lbs full load. Use it for everyone from deed to elk. I haven't drawn a moose tag yet here in Wyoming.
Skip the Dasher and go straight to 6GT if precision shootning using magazines is your thing. The Dasher is meant for a single feed and it a tad short for super reliable feeding from a magazine. As to why so few hunt with a 6mm Dasher or 6GT is that it is so hard to find rifles in them. Even finding 6.0 Creedmoor is not easy. Few hunting rifles come in those calibers, and most people are hunting with off the shelf rifles, not something they have custom built or had custom built.
If they chambered more 6gt and 6 arc. There would be no reason to chamber any other 6mm cartridge. Once you get a custom barrel spun on your fav. Platform. You will question buying factory rifles. Also browning makes 6 gt.rifles It sells out quickly
If those groups are at 100yds, I have seen gas guns in 6.5 grendel, do just as good. I built a AR in 6.5Grendel for less than $350 dollars that produced 1/2" groups @100yds with off the shelf Hornady 123ELD Match. Bear Creek Upper $189, Complete PSA lower $99 E-Lander mag $25. Pre-Covid prices.
Yup, I built a 20” fluted stainless barreled 223 wylde from bear creek sub moa / 1/2 moa and have shot 1/4 moa with factory cartridges . primary arms 4-14x44 I think I have about $750 in the rifle build
@@davidlynch3077I did the same with a billet receiver set, 20” Premium Ballistic Advantage 6mm arc barrel, POF 3.5lb single stage trigger and the Primary Arms SLX 4-14x Grid. It shoots sub moa easily. (1/2moa typically). Cost me about $1000.
My cheap BCA .450 bushmaster 18” heavy barrel shoots 1/2” groups at 100 yards using Hornady black. People drastically underestimate the black rifle its accuracy and its usefulness. “You can’t hunt with an AR-15.” Mine will easily take everything on this continent as long as you can be within a couple hundred yards.
Looking forward to the hunting version. Let’s get rid of 4” of barrel, replace the obnoxious brake with a lightweight suppressor and put it into a HNT26
Whoa. There binoculars aren’t bad. I have leupolds, vortex, Arken and couple of bushnell elite. I don’t think the vortex stand apart from the rest. The arken is a screaming deal for what you get. The leupolds are great for low light hunting. And the bushnell elites I have been able to beat the shit out of for years.
Equally overlooked is x47 Lapua. The 25x47 is very accurate, fits easily in a short action even with long 130 gr bullets and reaches ideal hunting velocities between 2800-2900 fps. Would love to see it offered commercially.
@@moshkid16 6 ARC (like 6.5 Grendel) is about squeezing as much performance as possible out of an AR15 5.56 NATO length cartridge / action. It's impressive for what it is, and getting respectably close to the top target cartridges. Though for typical hunting within 300 yards in an AR15 the 6.5 Grendel might be slightly better - with ~20gr more bullet, and ~200fps less velocity the energy is almost identical, but the larger bullet will likely have slightly better terminal performance.
I have 2 dasher's and absolutely love them. One is a Curtis Custom Vector action with a Benchmark barrel (spun up by Alamo Precision Rifle) and a Bix n' Andy trigger. It sits in a PDC Custom chassis, which works really well. My other dasher is a MPA build (also with a Curtis Custom Scout action) with a Triggertech special trigger on it. Super fun and easy to load for!
It's doable for less money, in a hunting rifle. I've got a savage 110 Timberline 243win, a pretty cheap swamp fox 4-16 scope. With handloads, it shoots 4 shots in one hole. Now the rifle sets in a GRAYBOE Phoenix stock, and still shoots one hole. Also, I have a Frankenstein AR-15, that's a bunch of random decent parts. The best thing is, the laRue tactical 20" 223 Wylde barrel. ($249) With handloads, it shoots 1/4 moa all day long. With good factory rounds, shoots 3/8" moa. It shoots bulk fmj 55gr around moa. This barrel is special. It's a 1-8 and shoots 50gr lights out, but also shoot 77otm un believeable. And anything in between. I settled on 55gr sierra blitz king. I've shot as many as 10 rounds in a hole a nickel will cover. This gun has a timney drop in $99 trigger. A troy alpha rail, Brownell chrome bolt. Aero rifle buffer tube, spring, and buffer. Magpul k grip. Magpul fixed moe stock. And shooting those groups through a primary arms 4-14 scope, with the Chevron aiming point. Could probably shoot even smaller groups with a higher magnifying scope, with a small dot aiming point. Moral of the story, it can be done on somewhat a budget. Read Reviews on everything, and get into handloading. Be particular doing that. Weight and sort cases. Weight every charge of powder. Measure every setting of the bullets. Handloading makes every gun more accurate.
I built 6 Dashers for an NRA Highpower competitor 10+ years ago. Stellar accuracy, shooter went on to win two MN State Championships. Problem was, after 12-1500rds, throat was 3/4" longer.
Why people aren't using it? Because most people don't or aren't capable of buying novelty single purpose weapons. Most people buy multi-use weapons to be able to be used for what the 2nd was written for. People don't want to be lugging around 50lbs of ammo that could be water or food in that situation. When you can reload your supply from unalived enemies the value of your weapon is unsurpassed and this one is just not capable of being able to do that.
I shot the same set up with 300Norma. Had to mill out for the extra thick trunions. But it is a laser beam with 230gr bullets at 3000fps. 245 and 250 gr bullets good to 1000 yds. 230 good to 1700. Love it. Tagged my first Antelope at 1300yds with it. Perfect spine shot.
"What the pros use" can definitely be a cool tool but keep In mind, a bunch of dudes are sponsored by those companies so they don't really have a choice of what they're using lol
PRS shooters get “paid” by sponsorships and the free product they are given to use and promote their products! The big NDAs that they have to sign also have an effect on the efficacy of the actual products!
@@jimhans1 not true. Very few shooters in the PRS world have any incentive to use products they use. I know people who have products that are sent to them so they can be “sponsored” and it either ends up collecting dust or they sell it.
@CalebWayneMcCready dude they literally cite an interview with a dude talking about the leupold mk5 and if you Google his name he's sponsored by leupold. Sponsorships at the top levels in PRS are common and that's alot of who they're surveying in this lmao
Back in the late '80s, early '90s, my uncle was a gunsmith. He built all sorts of rifles for lots of people. But for himself, and the rest of us family, he always built rifles around the 6mm, 6.5x55, 257 Robert's and 260 Remington. The 6.5x55 was his favorite, but he love all 4 of these always said they were the most accurate ever. We used to practice shooting the tops off beer bottles at 300, 400, and 500 yards. As I've gotten older, even though I don't hunt any more, I've always remembered what he said and did.
Now if only Varget was in stock anywhere that didn't price it between $60 and $70 a pound. Also (and this is purely subjective) you don't need 0.25 moa from a hunting rifle.
Considering that the WHOLESALE price on a 1lb bottle of Varget is hovering around $59 BEFORE shipping and HazMat charges that dealers have to pay also, you’re asking a lot when even Hodgdon is charging $65 per pound retail!
Kinda depends how far your target is. Most hunter states have heavy vegetation so in the east instance, most hunters shoot 100 yrs or less. Got out west and many, most shots are fired outside 200 yrs.
6 Dasher, you definitely made a wice choice there! A 6 anything, is a magic combination ;) 6 BR, 243, 6 Dasher, 6x284 A 6x284 for instance, has more retained velocity and more energy than a 7 mm Mag does once past 600 yards. The 6mm bullets were the about the most developed for years, until recently The 7mm Bullets have now surpassed them in B.C. Now.....a straight 284 will shoot lights out because of this with B.C's above .700 When years before around .480-.520 was a high BC for 7mm
I've got a factory Tikka T3x 270 that shoots this well with 150 NBTs, 1x fired Win brass neck sized with a bushing, then over a turn mandrel, 210 match primers H4350 or IMR4831 slow but accurate and deadly at 2830fps and another Tikka T3x stainless 270 that does even better with 150 Berger VLDs over H4831SC, 1x fired Win brass prepped the same way also around 2800fps. So yes, this kind of accuracy can easily be achieved in a hunting rifle.
@life_of_riley88 I'm running a Sako 85 Finlight 6.5x55, I reload for fun, pretty much just neck size, load the powder and go although I'm pretty anal with the powder and OAL. I've recently switched to 143 gr ELD-X and have settled into a load that shoots 5 shots into a raggedy hole at 100m.
@@life_of_riley88 I've considered a Tikka in that cartridge for 2 years now. I do have three Tikkas in 6.5CM I'm taking to the range today. 2 are left hand stainless T3x Lites, one is a RH stainless superlite (my wife's rifle with a Backfire pad). No clue why I bothered with some handloads to test but I did. All 3 of these shoot factory Norma Whtietail 140s, Norma Bondstrike 140s, and Sellier&Bellot 131s like a competition rifle. I don't care what anyone says, the 6.5CM is definitely "inherently accurate." I've never witnessed anything like it. I loaded up 130 Nos. ABs over Staball 6.5. Also testing 143ELDX over Superformance, Staball 6.5, and IMR4350
My model 700 rem. 30-06 165 grain iv hit the same hole idk how many times in a row at 100 yards. The first time it happened to me i thought i was missing the entire target paper was getting very frustrated lol!!. Then it dawned on me could i be hitting the same hole in the bullseye. So i turned scope up saw a horsefly moving around on the paper aimed at it squeezed. Finally saw a different hole walked over to the target little blood stains around the hole. I was very happy with rifle more with myself put rifle away till first day of deer season.
Love my Dasher, I had the same thought. “I should hunt with this”.. instead I built a 6CM to gain some fps out of less barrel. My 6CM is 8-9 lbs complete and it shoots sub 1/2 minute 5 shot groups all day. The modern 6mm’s are a cheat code. And they will drop a lot more than “medium” game, heavy for caliber 6’s efficiently dispatch plenty of elk and moose every year.
The videos I've seen testing the EC Tuner Brake are convincing that it is an effective device in helping shrink a group size as well as mitigate recoil. I think it is worth the investment. The price is not cheap but also not outrageous. There are a lot of other popular brakes in the same price range. Great shooting Jim. Enjoyed the video as usual.
6 dasher (and variants BR, BRA) is an amazing cartridge. crazy easy to tune, cheap on components. Record group shooting at 600 and 1000 yards. I've seen many a light class rifle (sub 17lb) shoot sub 2 inches at 1k. Its capable if the shooter is.
Hunters dont use it because you can't go to any LGS and just buy it off the shelf. There are at least 10 LGS within 20 mins of me, not to mention all the big box stores within the same range and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has 6 dasher sitting on the shelf. Not everyone has the ability to reload. You have lost touch with the common man.
I grew up in very rural north eastern California. Near the Oregon/ Nevada borders. My family was dependent on the Timber and Lumber industry, and I had to hunt to help put food on the table. My playground as a child was millions of acres of deep forest, rivers and creeks. I have had my own guns for as long as I can remember. All were used, old, and cheap when they came into my hands. But they put a lot of meat on my family's table. Most had come out of the Montgomery wards catalog or from the Coast to Coast hardware store, long before I got them. Handed down by family. My first scoped gun was an old Western field 30-06 that had an old 3-9 Tasco scope on it. Over the years I took hundreds of what would today be considered trophy bucks with it. The smallest being a 24in 3 point. My first non bb gun was a stevens single shot .22 when I was 7. I killed thousands of squirrels, rabbits, and an occasional deer with it. When I was 9yrs I got a Stevens single shot .410 for quail, and when I was 10 a Montgomery wards 30-30. At 11 a Stevens single shot 12ga for ducks and geese. And the only new gun I had as a kid was a Coast to Coast pump 12ga. All of those guns are considered cheap, but they were shooters, and all I could hope to have. I learned how to hunt with them. Mainly with iron sights. Killing deer between 25-50yrds was the norm. Usually running. Killing one at over a100yrds, off hand was considered phenomenal. And at 500yrds or more was unheard of, and would have been considered foolish. Today I have much better, and more expensive rifles and scopes, but I have to laugh when I think about the guns and scopes that I used when I was younger. Especially when I hear hunters today talking. Especially the snobs. I love your videos. Especially some of the comments that are made.
I have been shooting bug sized groups for over 30yrs with a 6mm x 284 Win.,6mm Rem,257 Roberts,260Rem 6.5 Swede, 6.5x54Mann.,7x57 Mau. 7mm-08,280 Rem and I have had nothing to say about then but they are all stellar performers but now every month now it seems someone comes out with a new cartridge that we never knew we needed until they told us so. That's a great rifle you have there and it shoots very well and looks like a million bucks but the dasher I remember from the late 90s seemed to be a short stubby thing so maybe by now they even reinvented it again.Sorry but I wont be jumping on the band wagon for this new round or any other the other new rounds because redundancy costs money.
Some people shoot 6 dasher and 6 BR in F-open, for the recoil, but once you get out to 1000y plus the 7mm cartridges start to shine. Hell I would shoot 300 PRC or 300 WBY with 240grn bergers if muzzle brakes were allowed in F-open. I'm building a 7mm atm 10kg rifle (max weight in F-open) witha 180gr berger @2700fps it has 9 joules of recoil, from what I have seen anything under 10 joules is fine.
Jesus, the 'thrill' of ground pounding stalks lugging around a 20+ lb rifle rifle for a full day's hunt while firing a 6mm round that 'ONLY' produces 400fps LESS than my 7.6 lb, 60 ish year old 6mm Remington 700 BDL AND, your rifle would only require me to 'drop' to prone position in god knows what terrain to take my shot; er, uh, well that "THRILL" somehow eludes me.. Oh, and btw, I've done 3 shot groups with MY rifle at 100 yards + that you could cover with a dime; a quarter is too easy- it's a solid .3 to .5 MOA rifle. My scope? An old classic Redfield variable, that's been on that rifle since the day my Dad bought it for me and taught me how to 'bed' the action. LOTS of history in that gun..btw, I've reloaded it with either 4350 or 4831 all these years, depending on what was available, cause that's what I found just plain 'works'. Even so, Good luck with YOUR , rifle though I suspect I won't cross your trail hunting up in the mountains..
With your obvious outstanding ability to either build rifles or, more likely in this instance, spew forth with unqualified bull shit that no one here is likely to even slow down to read, be cause kind sir, we didn't some forth on this day looking for bull shit that no one qualified to back up in court, well, like this old man, I am asuredly qualified to present to yall, your old shot out rifle with a dented Redfield, well, shit, I just gotta say, WHY? coupled with wgaf?
@@davidmorgan9095 David, you simply have no idea...>VN era -FORCES COMMAND HQ XVIII ABN Spcl Serv/Warfare "SKYDRAGON" here. I was raised in the High Rockies of Colorado (6 to 7k ft. elevation) hunting Elk, Mule deer, and occasionally Antelope (down on the prairie.) My genetics gave me 20/19 and 20/18 eyesight and frankly, I can shoot, (former holder of the Fort Ord Rifle record) BUT, I can, and have, also 'hunted , and been hunted by, everything from Inland Alaskan Mountain Grizzlies, Bull Moose, Cougars, not to mention Cape Buffalo and battled hardened combat soldiers. Now, having explained that, I find little attractive, or compelling about the idea of humping a 20 plus pound 6mm unwieldy long gun around out in the bush for a day's hunt. OTOH, if you enjoy 'match' shooting paper/steel on a range somewhere, then you might gain more satisfaction from YOUR choice of weapon. Even so, other than the ability to utilize a slightly more compact action, I see no advantage to the whiz bang 6 ARC/Dash cartridge, over the higher capacity thus greater versatility of the 70 plus year old Remington. Lastly, as to whether others find any value in what I've written...well, let me just say that only a profoundly arrogant man presumes to speak for everyone else.
Been shooting 6.8 Dasher from a 6.5lb AR15 for over five years (130gr @2928fps from 18" barrel) Also have a 6mm Dasher 14.5" barreled AR (ho hum load 88gr @3000fps). Hard to sell them, no factory ammo support and few handloaders. Remington used to sell BR rifles. I'm always King when its out and about.
The EC Tuner stands out! 6mm is the most desired bullet for accuracy. I use the 6mmARC. The most common issues I have found is finding hunting ammo for some cartridges. Most hunters use factory ammo.
Ruger built me a 6mm Remington in a heavy barrel (Dougles) in a Model 77. It shot dime size groups in 1976. It still shoots dimes size groups. I chose the 6mm Remington because of the length of the neck. A Reloader here. A long case neck allows you to tune your loads.
@@jeremysalter152 I know and get the reason, because it's hunting oriented and you aren't going to shoot more than three at any time but considering the nice guns he shoots it would be great to see some five shot groups. This rifle would probably still be sub moa with five shots but I've seen a lot of "very accurate" rifles print three shots under an inch and throw the other two well over an inch. It always makes me wonder when I see guns shooting good three shot groups.
Your reports are absolutely far and away the most informative while being entertaining. Question,did you read Ken Waters articles as a kid because your approach to shooting is similar but kicked up a notch. Keep doing it brother!!!
I have a Remington 40XBR with a Hart Barrel in 6mm BR Remington and it was made to shoot 100-200 yard benchrest with a custom neck of .266". It will shoot ragged holes at 100 and 200 yards. If it isn't windy, it shoots well out to 600 yards. It's only a 1 in 12" twist so taps out at 80 grain projectiles.
My deer rifle is a 6 dasher. It is light maybe 7 pounds, feeds reliably through an internal 700 style magazine, and shoots .2-.3” groups with 108gr elite hunters.
When I was competing in the TXARNG, both black- and brown-gun, with issue NM M14, XM21 and M24, my best "undeveloped" loads were clones of M852 and M118, with the charge from the DODAC specs (IMR 4895) and 168/175 SMKs, and the same charge with 165 SGKs for game loads. My 175 SMK load was essentially beating the armory to the M118LR idea, and it was the best ammo my M24 ever shot. The game load printed to the M24's BDC numbers, except in yards vs meters. That M24 gave 1 MOA with M852, 1.4 MOA with M118, 1 MOA with M118LR, .75 MOA with the game load, .8 MOA with my M852 clone and .6 MOA with my M118LR clone. If I still had it I'd try a game load with the new 175 SGK. I got a little teary when I had to turn in the M14 and M24.
This is going to be awesome. I have always been curious about what could you do to make a hunting rifle shoot "like" a competition rifle, without the weight. Can't wait. PS love your turret tags. Had to shout out that haha
I think you left out a couple of pieces of information that I am definitely interested in. 1.) Twist Rate of the Rifling and 2.) The distance that you are shooting. Please let me know...
Thank you for the detailed build. This weapon is impressive, and you are gracious enough to share your knowledge to save us from waisting time , money, and a multitude of frustration.. I appreciate you very much. GOD bless and good hunting!
FWIW, 6 Creedmoor is a very similar cartridge, but maybe a little more forgiving as a hunting load with slightly more velocity and energy than 6 Dasher. Load development may be a little more forgiving in the Dasher, but ammo / brass is way more available for 6CM. FWIW, I currently shoot 6GT for PRS and like it so much that I have a custom 6 Creed hunting rifle coming from GA Precision soon with an Impact NBK (lighter version of 737R), 20" Bartlein GAP #4 contour, 1:7.5 fluted barrel in a Manners LRH stock. I'm guessing that this will wind up with very similar performance to your 6 Dasher build. Maybe you will spring for a carbon fiber barrel if your budget allows.(?) Good luck!
I just bought an Aero Solus 17” clear anodized “blem” chassis during their Friday the 13th sale. I’ll probably build it out with some sort of 6mm cartridge. Something that can hunt and compete and has readily available ammo. Great content as always, much love from Texas!
Some advice (take it or leave it): During "single feed" rounds, try dropping the case head first into the aft of the receiver and let the tip gravity fall into place... then run the bolt. This eliminates any fumbling around, trying to feed the tip into the chamber.
My 25+ year old Rem 700 ADL .243 shoots these kind of groups all day long with some of the cheapest ammo, the 95gr Federal Fusion bullets. I put a 250 dollar Burris scope on it and love it. Spent less that 600 bucks on it. It is my go to mulie/whitetail/antelope duster downer and would never get rid of it. Some states rifle/scope/accessories can weigh more than 16 pounds to be legal. Mine weighs less than 7 pounds fully outfitted. I also seasoned the barrel by cleaning the pizza out of it before I took one shot also after every 5 shots and the last patch I run thru has muzzle loader Bore Butter on it. That barrel is slick!
Nice vid. Best no development hunting combo. Ruger pred 2, .223, norma, 53gr Oryx & SP semi point, 0.140 inch, on a good day. Other was 7mm WSM, developed with Berger 168 VLD, HS Precision HTR, S&B PM II, which I lug (in a harness) around the mountains here in NZ - it got 0.42 inch at 400 m on a totally still day. The Ruger No1, in 7x64, is also a tac driver. Thanks and cheers
*If you can hold a 3" group at 300 yards you have a kill. With that said my 300 WIN-MAG could do that in any wind condition with a very heavy punch IN SEMI-AUTO with my Browning BAR MK3.*
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3 shot groups don't count, Sir. That is not anywhere near a true 1/4 moa gun...
Meh. I’m good with 3 shot groups that can be repeated. Cherry picking one good 3 shot group is pretty useless.
At what distances were you guys shooting? I never heard you state such info in this broadcast. I don't want to assume anything about your, Science data.
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@@Ya_Know He's got a Canuck background, don'tchya know, ya know? ;-D
I've carried only one rifle for the past 50 years and have taken everything from jackrabbits to bull moose, most all with just one shot, my beloved M1 Garand. It was accurized by the US Army gunsmiths at Camp Perry in 1970 and sold to me for $125, ammo included. It still shoots MOA or better groups all day long. No SS barrel, no carbon fiber stock, no $4000 scope, just good fun.
Amen.
I think there may have been some pride in stuff back then
as opposed to just cranking it out
My first rifle was an old Rem 700 in .243
it only grouped 1/2" all day long and I foolishly thought that was not good enough (compared to a custom) and had it blueprinted and Mcmillan Stock added
Should have left well enough alone for being a factory rifle lol
Point being, That old Remington was typical of how they used to shoot
Ok boomer
@@drd1924my first was a Remington 700 in .243 also. I had to get some work done on it to make it accurate though. The factory tool that made the crown was faulty. So my gunsmith cut the end off and cut a target crown and made the trigger really sweet. It shoots really well.
My most accurate rifle was a Remington 788 chambered in .308 Winchester. Couldn't get a decent group with Remington or Winchester ammunition. Then tried Federal pointed soft point 175 grains and consistently got sub moa. Changed to a Leupold 2x7 scope and it seemed to tighten the groups even more.
He finally names the cartridge at 9:10 as the 6 dasher. I’m putting it here so that people don’t have to listen to nearly 10 minutes of worthless verbage to find out.
Came here to make the same comment! Wish I saw this first haha
Thank you
Thanks! So it's the Dasher? Big deal... yawn... Any wildcat of the tried and trued 6mm BR cartridge will perform likewise. Or any 6mm cartridge, provided the capacity is not excessive. So we could start with the 6-221 fireball, proceed with the 6-223, the 6-222 Rem Mag (or 6x47 Walker) the 6-250 Sav (or 6mm International, another Walker's brainchild) and end with the 6 X, or the .22-250 Rem fireformed in a short reamed .243 Winchester chamber.
I didn't mention the 6 PPC because it is in a totally different galaxy. It is simply the most accurate 6mm cartridge ever designed.
Have a nice day.
@@rachidluildha2676 I agree. It may be a good cartridge. But it doesn’t make much sense to use such an obscure cartridge unless one is a bench-rest shooter. The are much better cartridges for the rest of us.
@@aphyd23 Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. I just think the Dasher is nothing to write Mom about. I'm a wildcatter but I would never advise a non advanced reloader to use a wildcat, for obvious reasons. If the author wants to praise a 6mm, the .243 Win will do the job.
Personally, I favor the 6,5mm so I use a .260 Rem ( high quality basic brass is plentiful) , a 6,5x55 Swede and for extra long range, a .264 Win Mag with a 30" barrel ( good basic 7mm Rem Mag brass is fully available)
Have a nice day.
In 1994, I built a hunting rifle using pieces I bought from a co-worker. He collected the parts but never assembled them. It was a 1960's Santa Barbara Mauser 98 barreled action with a 26" tapered barrel. Stock was a straight pull, Monte Carlo cheekpiece, Reinhardt Fajin, roughly contoured piece that I cut to my length of pull and epoxy bedded the action into. Since it was chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum, and I don't like heavy recoil, I fitted it with a shotgun butt pad. Shooting 168gr Sierra MatchKing bullets at a moderate load and using a 6-18 Simmons hunting scope, it quite regularly shot 0.23-0.28 5 shot groups at the range. Literally one ragged hole and from a cold bore first shot. I gave it to my youngest and they shoot it as regularly as they can afford ammunition. Even with factory loads, heavy bullets only, it still produces 0.25-0.50 groups at 100 yds. Unfortunately, the large case, belted magnums are being ignored in favor of the newer "kids on the block". It is still the most accurate rifle I've ever shot, and I built it over a couple of weekends!
The reasons hunters don't use the cartridges for hunting are 1. Cost 2. Light bullets. My model 70 winchester cost new, probably less than the barrel, or the action of the target rifle you have here, and it shoots groups as small or smaller than this setup. And nobody I know wants to pack around a rifle that wieghs what 15 lbs or so. We don't NEED a $3000 sniper rifle to shoot a deer at 50 yards or an elk at 100 yards. All we really need to put meat on the table is a gun and cartridge that we can reliably put every shot in an 8 inch bullseye in any conditions of wind and weather at estimated
Ranges from 50 to 150 yards. A WW I surplus rifle your dad or grampa bought for ten bucks or less is all the average hunter really needs.
This brings to mind the old SNL skit..
"Lowered Expectations"
yeah, well, This Old Man agrees with your points, however I wonder why in tarnation you feel the need to come on here and post the kind of remark that in my view, takes away from Mr. Vickers?....As a matter of fact, I also wonder why Mr. Vickers feels the need to interfere with the points that the writer puts forth with such elegance compared to us rural area folks with limited knowlege of writing that delivers the thoughts of wise men?
In just about every sport some hunters just want to go out without understanding ballistics and pinpoint accuracy !
As long as they can hit a pie plate at 100 yards and can put meat on the table during hunting season , that’s all they care about !
I am not one of them but I sometimes envy those guys ! 😂
@@hotchihuahua1546 tbh most care but not enough to spend alot tho at least in my area
At 70 years of age with a lifetime of experiences I am convinced that the entire firearms industry must continuously introduce new cartridges and accessories with the underlying marketing message driving home the point that if you don't have the "latest & greatest", then you are just outgunned and not keeping up with the times. The standard hunting calibers that have been around for multiple decades will perform superbly as they have since great grandpa's era and will continue to do so into the future. Most hunters East of the Mississippi take shots at 100 yards or less, where you don't need long range pin-point accuracy. Again, it's all about marketing, so the hype will continue as-long-as there are guns and accessories being manufactured.
1. Proof Research Barrel, 24” carbon fiber
2. Impact Precision 737r action
3. KRG Bravo, Gen. 2 Chassis/Stock
4. Triggertech 700 Special, Trigger
5. Area419 Hellfire Match, Muzzle brake
6. Atlas BT46-LW17 PSR bipod
7. Vortex Precision Match, Scope rings
8. Vortex Optics, HD LHT 4.5x22x50 Scope
9. Magazine
This is what I put together. It’s an extremely accurate budget build. Budget, not meaning cheap or poor quality components. I saved money and bought each piece as I could afford it. Then I paid a reputable precision rifle builder to put it all together. It took me just a little over 19 months to build this as I could afford it. I think this is the best way to build a precision rifle on a budget. If you can save money and be patient, you will eventually have an outstanding Long range rifle.
I've spent 10's of thousands of dollars trying to get a rifle that would group like that and on day I stopped in at a Pawn shop by my house and purchased a 03-A3 Remington barrel dated 1942
for $325.00 and I went home and the next weekend went to the range and shot it with a load I worked up , Only made 5 of those rounds and I couldn't believe it just 1 ragged hole I've never looked at another rifle since 30 years ago and still shoots the same .
Im the same way. When i turned 18 i bought a sporterized Springfield 30-06 made in the 50's everything I've ever put the cross hair on has dropped.
03-A3 for $325?! So 1972?
It was about 1995 when I purchased it , The Pawnshop didn't know what they had .
Best damn rifle ever made, sorry I sold my first one, and the second one was bubbed too much, and I can't find another good one.
@@kennethking817good for you! I’d love one but can’t find any under $1500!
The Swedes beat you to it 130 tears ago. The 6.5 Creedmoor is just a slightly shorter 6.5x55 with a sharper shoulder. And the Swedish Mauser 1896 and following carbines are super accurate. That's a cool rifle/scope, etc..
@jacspring5459 , my family and I own a gun store, and one of the guns I most wish I hadn’t let get away was an older CZ rifle with a 2-stage trigger chambered in 6.5x55 Swedish… we had it on the shelf for a couple of months, and nobody in our area really knew much about that cartridge at the time.
I started doing research on it, and I had decided on a Monday morning that if it was still on our shelf come that Friday, I was just going to buy it myself.
I kid you not… a guy from out of town walked in 2 hours after we opened that morning, looked up and down our shelves, saw that rifle and said, “Lemme take a look at that one if you don’t mind.”
He held it, looked at the side of it and saw what it was chambered in, worked the action a couple of times, tried the trigger on both settings (without us having to even tell him it did that), and said, “I’ll take it.”
That’s probably the only gun I was ever actually bummed that we sold 😂
Big fan of 6.5 Swede. Legitimate 1000 yard cartridge.
But CM is more like a 6,5 Arisaka in ballistics than Swede or Krag 6,5
@@MrPh30Im literally using same bullets in both - with a custom barrel you can even get the same twist
Yep my dad handed me a carl gustaf swedish mauser in 6.5x55 for our first deer hunt and ive been hunting with it ever since! Such an accurate rifle
I think the .243 is one of the most underrated rounds out there!
I live in Indiana, biggest game is deer around me. Grabbed a 243 as my first hunting rifle recently, and have been extremely pleased.
So is the 270 and it shoots flatter than a 6.5 creedmoore
Years I had the crummed on the 243, but honestly once I started Digging into 6mm arc, I've found a new appreciation for the 243 (always gave it credit for dropping deer).
Ballistically superior, and done some research while flirting with the arc.
Likewise, reason I'm choosing the arc is to be a total dweeb. The cartridge intrigued me.
I would go with the .270 win
It’s circular and you’re right.
In 2019, my grandson and I, were rechecking the zero on our hunting rifles at a local public shooting range near my house, when this guy from OHIO pulls up and starts shooting at dime sized targets at 100 yards- he was very good, and everyone at the range took notice- especially my twelve year old grandson...he, like everyone else getting ready for deer season, were intrigued to say the least, by this strange visitor and his equally impressive, and very expensive, looking firearm- the gun was super heavy, super accurate, and with the most expensive piece of glass id ever seen in real life on a public gun range- guy had the most elaborate, and heavy, carbon tripod I'd ever seen- ... I just couldn't stand it....I had to know....-so I waited till he finished a string of fire and took that opportunity to strike up a conversation with the gentleman- He was shooting a 6mm Dasher (i still have the brass he gave me and my grandson)...he even let my 12 year old grandson shoot his rifle ...and before he left to resume his journey ( he was on his way back to Ohio) he gave both of us some empty brass as souvenirs...one of the coolest things I ever experienced at a public range .....I never got his name...never saw him again....and never heard anyone else talk about this amazing cartridge until your video.
Some of the most accomplished competitors I've shot against were from the Ohio National Guard combat discipline teams.
When you measure your groups measure from outside of hole to outside of hole of the two farthest apart, then subtract the bullet diameter from that measurement, and that is the correct group size. ie: .438”-.308 cal= .130” group. The correct way to measure a group 👍
The app works way better
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Great job. You managed to add some solid info without injecting a scolding “lecture” like so many commenters tend to do. 👍
In 1970 I turned 17. I bought my first rifle Remington Model 700 ADL cal. .243. It took me a few years to put a scope on it. When I was older in my late twenties. I started to reload. Then hunting. All the old farts on the deer lease talked about how accurate there rifles were. My little .243 always shoot 3/4 to1inch factory ammo. I wanted more. I read Shooting Times Western all about reloading for accuracy. I read other mags also. I learned index your factory rounds to the chamber, 243 up. All once fired cleaned. Trimmed to length. Then chamfered. Deburred the flash hole. Uniform the primer pocket. Weight all the brass. 100 rds might give you 40-50 rds. Neck size your brass. Weight all of the bullets. Hand weight all the powder charges. Make sure to start bullet straight. Check all rounds for overall length. Don't forget to index the round when chambered. With this my groups are sub 1/4 in. A little hint square base bullets give tighter groups at 100 yds. Boattailed bullets will give smaller groups at 150 yds. and beyond.
PRS is the current darling of the competitive rifle world , but don't take those rifles to a benchrest match & expect to win . Benchrest may have lost popularity but still holds all records for smallest groups !! Jim Carmichael set a record with his 6mm ppc , 10.5 lb rifle class , 5 -5shot groups averaged 0.1441 inches !! Years ago the 222 remington was used to set a world record group of just 0.009 inches ! Still amazing accuracy by today's standards with all of our technology . Cheers & have fun with the shooting sports .
Yeah, the thought cane to me during the video: you could take this idea to the extreme and throw a benchrest rifle out there and then ask “can we make a hunting rifle out of it?” No, you cannot, unless you happen to look like 1980s Schwarzenegger.
PRS and benchrest are to completely different sports, though. A single load solid action vs. repeater. stationary vs. dynamic. Of course, a sport where you single loading off a bench with a semi fixed rifle is going to be inherentlty a more accurate system than a shooter running around, and shooting in awkward position is going to be less accurate still hitting .3 moa groups. Apples to Oranges. Both fruits but are completely different in everything else. Don't get me wrong. Both sports are fun and serve their purpose, but no one is claiming there prs gun would win a benchrest, same goes for the benchrest/f class guys none of them are going to a prs match expecting to win the match. Either would probably do well, but there is not a chance of winning
@@elcidcampeador9629 Mr. Carmichael's record was in the 10.5lb light varmint class . A single shot yes , but you could still carry & hunt with it . Not so with that 20lb prs tactical/ sniper set up . The heading of the video was world's most accurate rifle & cartridge , not the most popular prs setup .
@@GuyGooding-q9o and luckily the heavy gun record holder is 300 wsm still right? So you can definitely elk hunt with a benchrest cartridge lol
Still a fan of Hi Power... 3 positions with rapid fire segments.
The most accurate rifle I have shot and deer hunted with for several years until I stopped hunting is an original Rem 700 Sendaro 25-06 with 26" heavy barrel. I purchased that rifle when they were first introduced about 30 years ago. Out of the box, adjusted the trigger and mounted a scope, worked up hand loads and settled on Nolser 100 gr ballistic tip. I still pull that rifle out once every few years, it will still shoot 5-shot ragged hole groups at 100 yrd with the same handloads.
My new production Remington 700 tactical 308 is a frickin tack driver with all 168gr factory loads I have tried.
Factory ammo is decent, and can never approach the accuracy that hand loads tuned to the rifle will give you. Powder, primer, brass and bullet selection make a world of difference.
@@ShovelMonkey I am aware of this. But as someone just getting into rifle shooting, I have yet to start loading my own. So many things I need.....so little money.
@@Catgat37 You will learn that as you handload, you will shoot more because it costs less per round. *HOWEVER* this addiction only grows, and you will find yourself spending more and more money on this hobby.
Car guys experience the shame trouble, My '68 Barracuda _NEEDS_ that Hurst shifter, those superstock leaf springs and a set of 1.12" torsion bars for the street and drag torsion bars for the track, upgraded brakes, tunnel ram and dual carburetors, TTI headers, H-pipe (X-pipes are to make your car sound like eurotrash 6 bangers), 4.10 gears in that Dana 60, Forged Weld wheels, M/T drag radials, moly cage, fiberglass front clip, lexan windows, fully built a727, 400 block, forged 3.915 crank, forged I-beam (not H beam) connecting rods, forged pistons, TrickFlow heads, ARP head and header studs, Ferrea hollow stem intake valves, conical valve springs, tool steel retainers fuel pump, pressure regulator, timing gear, dry sump oil and cooling system, crank scraper, and finally to top it off, a set of fuzzy dice.
Word of advice, chose ONE hobby. If you decide to be a car guy AND a gun guy, it's gonna be a LOT of fun, but your wallet will feel mighty light! ;)
@@ShovelMonkey I have been a gun guy for years. Mainly handguns. It can be expensive. But the rifles are getting crazy. After a bunch of upgrades, one of my Remington 700s is now more expensive than my Mark 23.
The title caught my attention, so I am checking it out. Surprised to learn this is a very similar build to my first attempt to make a PRS rifle, lol. 6 Creedmoor, Impact action with Bartlein barrel chambered by Stuteville, MDT chassis, Vortex Razor. I built this with the intent to have something beyond my beginner capabilities for the last year. Starting my 2nd year of PRS now, first match of our season next Sunday the 29th! I have been working up my own loading, and getting some 5 shot .24 MOA groups during testing! I have videos here on my channel showing my progress from building the rifle last summer, first matches and the practice and prep I do between matches as well as match reviews after each match. Today will be getting my final ammo testing done, confirm at distance and then I will be set for this first match! Hoping to start at a much better position than last year at my first match, lol.
If anyone wants to follow along with someone getting into PRS and showing my mistakes and successes, come on over and check me out! I am happy to have more people watch and give me tips and suggestions to improve!!
Have a great Sunday everyone, and wish you all a great week!!!
Remember once fired brass indexed to the chamber.
@steveray8022 Yeah, that new Alpha brass took a few firings to break in. Seemed hard and the shoulders didn't move the first 2 firings! By the 3rd, they were acting normal. Got everything set up and seems to be performing well.
I'll know in a few hours. My next match is in the morning!
Have a great weekend!!
Guys, not trying to be mean here, but it's not "indexed to the chamber" or "breaking in" the brass, it's called fireforming the brass. Now, are you saying the Alpha brass wouldn't fireform right away, that it took 3 firings? That is literally unbelievable.
@@steveray8022 Fireformed. *grins*
My elk hunting rig and my .223 wyld are both bartlien barrels. Both consistently shoot half MOA. Some days 1/4 MOA. Much of the results are because of the barrel.
Bartlein barrels are so good. Unbelievable quality control from them.
What load are you using for elk? Still looking for a good loading for boar but market offer almost any good loads in 223 for hunting big game. It's all about varminting loads cause everyone end up using 308 or 30-06 for big game
Enjoyed that episode. You are a blessed man living the dream. Fortunate to have worked with a master gun maker when I was 20yrs old. He built me a custom .270 sport rifle with a Mauser action. First three shot group at the range produced a widened hole in the paper. I remember him being angry because he thought I had missed the target with shot #2 & #3. A rifle doesn't have to weigh 20# to be accurate. It was not uncommon for him to place in the top three when shooting at 500 meter competitions with his light weight sporters. Now I'm 67. Harvested plenty of whitetail, mule deer, wild pigs, coyotes, etc with it. It is still a tack-driver. He made me promise never to shoot factory ammo out of it. I only shoot my own reloads.
The Dasher jas been around for awhile. My old mentor, who has passed away, a 5 shot group at 600 yards measuring .989. He missed a wind call on last shot.
Fantastic cartridge. Sweet rifle.
holy cow! 0.0
I will not disagree with that statement, when Mike Walker and Jim stickle came up with the six BR Remington and from that case the six BRA the six Dasher the six BRX.. 6 BR Norma, Mike Walker was really on to something back then. He was a genius God bless him we surely lost a giant in the gun world.
@@stephenbaker7499 agreed.
@@Eric--zs6um My best group was 8x that size. Of course it was 15 rounds at 800 yards with iron sights.
6mm Dasher is amazingly accurate. My father is an active BR shooter and has set some local range records using it. Hes primarily shooting 105gr and/or 108gr Bergers. However, he gets bored sometimes. Recently he decided to build a 6BR and has been able to match the accuracy of the dasher with it. The right combination of twist, BC, freebore, and of course load development and you can make most cartridges shoot very well. It takes time patience and the knowledge of course.
You have to remember 2 things target shooting in competition shooting is not hunting second thing is not everybody has a pocket full of money
If you can find the older YT video, George Gardner (G.A. Precision) explains that 6GT was built specifically to optimize a 6mm bullet/case combo employing Varget powder. And feed well.
I shot a 308 built for a sniper in Iraq that would pull down sub 0.25" @ 100m... I did it myself with him instructing me. It was a sick piece of equipment. Surgeon one piece with a Krieger, Zeiss glass that was experimental at the time with the first horus type reticle. $10K setup and nothing like it. And, it did it with Lake City military sniper grade ammo. Would love to own one. You don't need exotic cartridges to shoot like that. This is why I would tell guys who were new to shooting to pickup a 308 first to see if they liked it; instead of sinking a lot of money into 6.5 Creedmoor right out of the gate.
The 6.5 Creed is a nitch round and a very narrow one at that.
On a .308 what load i was told use 150 instead of the 180
@dogdroper I have successfully used 168, and a female competitor I met said she was using 172 (if I remember correctly)
@@atlasintegrations4114 ty
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor from proof research. After I broke in I took it to the range here in Pennsylvania and I set up a target 300 yards. I use the vortex diamondback scope and had at 14 power and I fired two shots for my group. When I fired the next shot, I realize I slightly shifted my point of aim. I held that same spot for the next two shots, then check my grouping. The overall grouping was 2 inches of 300 yards. However, the first two shots were within half an inch and the final three shots were in half an inch from my called shot.
So 6.5 Creedmoor gun from proof research could potentially shoot a 1/6 moa group at 300 yards
I hope the hunting audience realizes that hit probability in hunting is dominated by wind and not little groups. Get a true 3/4 inch gun and go figure out how to read the wind.
Depends on hunt. Where I hunt wind doesn't matter at all. There is no wind.
Especially tiny 3 shot groups. Unless you stack them, they are irrelevant.
@@brockedandloaded6034 there is always wind
@@SammyMoore-tg5gs not "relevant" wind.
@@brockedandloaded6034 do you hunt in a vacuum?
I have been running a 6 Creedmoor the past three years for hunting and I couldn’t be happier. From prairie dogs to bull elk, I’ve been elated with the results.
I really like my 6 creedmoors. Normally use my 30 cal rifles for elk. What bullet did you use for elk?
First time ever shooting a center fire rifle was my friends 6.5 CM, and I was hitting steel at 400 yards the very first shot and 800 yards by the end of the session.
@@stewartw7248 108 ELDM OR 115 nose ringed DTAC for 6mm on big game. Keep your impacts above 1800-1900 fps and you’re absolutely lethal.
@@stewartw7248 108 ELDM
@inky8123 I mostly use 108 eldm and 108 berger. We go predator calling sometimes during bear season. If it works on elk should be ok for bear then if we have one come in. Thanks
I’m a rifleman raised by a family of riflemen I sure wished my father was here to see how good rifles have become great video
My rifle is a Marlin 1895 45-70, with 405 grain hand loads it's 1/2 inch at 100 yards.
Close to 2000fps.
WTF ???
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That's pretty impressive I must say,
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Sometimes I have even more impressive dreams...😂😂😂
The barrel is the rifle. All you really need is for the rest of the parts to be stiff enough that they don't move about when the bullet is moving down the bore. And, after recoil, it's nice if it all sets back down into the same position again. You can certainly take a lot of cost and weight off of that rifle and not hurt accuracy. Go with a regular muzzle brake. You can use a cheaper trigger. Go with a lighter chassis. Go with an ordinary bubble level attached to the rail. Keep the action and barrel as is.
I agree with the barrel being the rifle....bull barrel with no muzzle device as it affects the harmonics of the barrel...
@@bobbygray496 The barrel certainly does ring like a bell once the primer gets hit. I'm just skeptical that that particular muzzle device actually does anything. Maybe in F-Class? Or perhaps even there it is an illusion.
Exactly
Basically did this.
I run a lonepeak fuzion, 24" Cfw barrel in 6bra in a manners LRH ~7.5lbs unscoped, most accurate gun, mild recoil. Great for blacktail
I just built a PRS-style heavy rifle on a LP Fuzion and the action (with no break in) is already so nice I want to get a smaller contour prefit steel barrel and another stock so I can switch things out to do NRL Hunter with it.
Love my 6mm so much, I bought and set up a 2nd rifle with the same specs for my wife and kids to use. Last years buck, the bullet (87gr), was a quartering shot as the buck walked away (127yards), downhill, at sunset on the final day. It wasn't a shot I would never normally take but it was a now OR no meat situation. I placed the shot directly at the back of the ribcage and the bullet exited out the front dead center of the chest. It went through the rib bones, took out the right lung completely and left a softball size hole in the lower throat/chest area, stoping the buck instantly. Absolute precision shot from an amazing cartridge! Less recoil, lighter weight rifle, faster on target, plenty of power to harvest a Blacktail Buck... whats not to love!
I decided on 6mm creedmoor for my 6mm build. Went with a 1:7 twist to run heavier bullets, and it is hard not to shoot sub 1/2 moa with H4350 and Berger 115’s!
Just informationally for viewers, most people are using 100 gr. in 243 just because of it's penetration on smaller large game (white tail/ antelope). Most hunters don't need this kind of accuracy, and brass for .243 (and other similar game use cartridges) is just quite a bit cheaper with over-the-counter ammo available anywhere.
is dasher still a wildcat? my buddy had one about 10 years ago. and it was a pain. super accurate, but fire forming brass, and all the fun stuff.
I reload for my 243 and I rarely shoot a 100gr bullet lol, I mostly shoot 75gr or lighter, I get better groups than heavier bullets, much flatter trajectory to 300 yards, and the varmits and predators up to large idaho wolves all basically drop on the spot when hit. And I know a lot of guys that use their 243 exactly the same way, it can be used for deer and even elk, but there's much better options and the caliber is perfect for high speed light projectiles that shoot very flat for a very practical range.
Im guessing 9/10 of us couldn't possibly afford this rifle
Oh, sure! Just get a second mortgage.
Priorities
The 6.5-284 is amazing out to 1000 yards and beyond. Not too long ago, a 20 shot group went 3" at 1000 yards.
Barrel burning monster though.
@@austerityclauseas a target rifle you are correct. I used up a barrel pretty quick in F-class. Hunting rifle is different in that we don’t run the barrel as hot.
After all the videos I have watched on u tube over the last few years, seems like the most important is barrel quality and having a rigid platform to put the barreled action in.
Impeccable timing on this. I have machined a 6mm dasher and have followed the PRS shooters information. Well I just loaded up 50 pcs using 105 gr hybrid target and target. Then 50 pcs using the 108 gr elite hunters using Varget. I did go with the proof carbon fiber barrel and purchased my own reamer and machined myself. MDT box mags for the win along with an MDT field stock. All I can say is after shooting both the loads today it's stupid accurate. All groups were less than .318" shooting out to 500 yds. This will be my go to hunting rig with the 108 elite hunters for mule deer this fall. I've got a lot of room for improvement as I haven't even began load development, but I know this will truly be a tack driver. Thanks for the video topic and keep em coming!
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9:13 I agree. You've successfully offended thousands of viewers by not naming your cartridge until 10 minutes in, and I don't blame them. Total fail. Punchable face level fail.
I use my savage 110 BA Stealth in 300wm. Had it for 8 yrs now, it's my main hunting rifle, weighing in at 18 lbs full load. Use it for everyone from deed to elk. I haven't drawn a moose tag yet here in Wyoming.
Skip the Dasher and go straight to 6GT if precision shootning using magazines is your thing. The Dasher is meant for a single feed and it a tad short for super reliable feeding from a magazine.
As to why so few hunt with a 6mm Dasher or 6GT is that it is so hard to find rifles in them. Even finding 6.0 Creedmoor is not easy. Few hunting rifles come in those calibers, and most people are hunting with off the shelf rifles, not something they have custom built or had custom built.
6GT is my baby in all the 6's.... followed by 6CM. Many PRS are going to 6.5 like 6.5 x 47.
If they chambered more 6gt and 6 arc. There would be no reason to chamber any other 6mm cartridge. Once you get a custom barrel spun on your fav. Platform. You will question buying factory rifles. Also browning makes 6 gt.rifles It sells out quickly
I reload for 6mm CM. Bullets are pretty common due to people shooting 6 Arc now.
Dasher or straight 6br freed great out of a Hawkins hunter mag with there spacer kit. I’ve built quit a few for customers
@@TrinitystillmynameThe 6 GT and 6 ARC do everything the 6 Creedmoor and 243 does except slower
If those groups are at 100yds, I have seen gas guns in 6.5 grendel, do just as good. I built a AR in 6.5Grendel for less than $350 dollars that produced 1/2" groups @100yds with off the shelf Hornady 123ELD Match. Bear Creek Upper $189, Complete PSA lower $99 E-Lander mag $25. Pre-Covid prices.
Yup, I built a 20” fluted stainless barreled 223 wylde from bear creek sub moa / 1/2 moa and have shot 1/4 moa with factory cartridges . primary arms 4-14x44 I think I have about $750 in the rifle build
@@davidlynch3077I did the same with a billet receiver set, 20” Premium Ballistic Advantage 6mm arc barrel, POF 3.5lb single stage trigger and the Primary Arms SLX 4-14x Grid. It shoots sub moa easily. (1/2moa typically). Cost me about $1000.
My cheap BCA .450 bushmaster 18” heavy barrel shoots 1/2” groups at 100 yards using Hornady black. People drastically underestimate the black rifle its accuracy and its usefulness. “You can’t hunt with an AR-15.” Mine will easily take everything on this continent as long as you can be within a couple hundred yards.
No you haven’t.
@@modernrambo2 who are you calling out?
Looking forward to the hunting version. Let’s get rid of 4” of barrel, replace the obnoxious brake with a lightweight suppressor and put it into a HNT26
I built a dasher on a 16.5” proof. Gets 2700 fps with a 105. Shoots phenomenal.
If the top pros are using Vortex, it’s because they’re paid to, surely.
Whoa. There binoculars aren’t bad. I have leupolds, vortex, Arken and couple of bushnell elite. I don’t think the vortex stand apart from the rest. The arken is a screaming deal for what you get. The leupolds are great for low light hunting. And the bushnell elites I have been able to beat the shit out of for years.
@@milldawgj9598 People brag about their warranty for a reason.
ya the non-sponsored are using S&B ....AOR Valdata....Tangent Theta....et al
So you didn't watch the video.
@@ericbennett1253 dont need to, to understand how their marketing indeed works.
Equally overlooked is x47 Lapua. The 25x47 is very accurate, fits easily in a short action even with long 130 gr bullets and reaches ideal hunting velocities between 2800-2900 fps. Would love to see it offered commercially.
6mm gt best all around. Right in between a 6mm Dasher and a 6mm creed. Also great barrel life
6ARC spanks all those rounds.
@@moshkid16harder to get good speed out of the 6arc before hitting pressure but it is a great cartridge
@@moshkid16 Absolutely not. No PRS pros use an ARC for a reason.
@@moshkid16 6 ARC (like 6.5 Grendel) is about squeezing as much performance as possible out of an AR15 5.56 NATO length cartridge / action. It's impressive for what it is, and getting respectably close to the top target cartridges. Though for typical hunting within 300 yards in an AR15 the 6.5 Grendel might be slightly better - with ~20gr more bullet, and ~200fps less velocity the energy is almost identical, but the larger bullet will likely have slightly better terminal performance.
@@moshkid16in what world?
I have 2 dasher's and absolutely love them. One is a Curtis Custom Vector action with a Benchmark barrel (spun up by Alamo Precision Rifle) and a Bix n' Andy trigger. It sits in a PDC Custom chassis, which works really well. My other dasher is a MPA build (also with a Curtis Custom Scout action) with a Triggertech special trigger on it. Super fun and easy to load for!
It's doable for less money, in a hunting rifle. I've got a savage 110 Timberline 243win, a pretty cheap swamp fox 4-16 scope. With handloads, it shoots 4 shots in one hole. Now the rifle sets in a GRAYBOE Phoenix stock, and still shoots one hole.
Also, I have a Frankenstein AR-15, that's a bunch of random decent parts. The best thing is, the laRue tactical 20" 223 Wylde barrel. ($249) With handloads, it shoots 1/4 moa all day long. With good factory rounds, shoots 3/8" moa. It shoots bulk fmj 55gr around moa. This barrel is special. It's a 1-8 and shoots 50gr lights out, but also shoot 77otm un believeable. And anything in between. I settled on 55gr sierra blitz king. I've shot as many as 10 rounds in a hole a nickel will cover. This gun has a timney drop in $99 trigger. A troy alpha rail, Brownell chrome bolt. Aero rifle buffer tube, spring, and buffer. Magpul k grip. Magpul fixed moe stock. And shooting those groups through a primary arms 4-14 scope, with the Chevron aiming point. Could probably shoot even smaller groups with a higher magnifying scope, with a small dot aiming point.
Moral of the story, it can be done on somewhat a budget. Read Reviews on everything, and get into handloading. Be particular doing that. Weight and sort cases. Weight every charge of powder. Measure every setting of the bullets.
Handloading makes every gun more accurate.
Doubt
Lot of my customers hunt with this round. And yes, you can get those same results with a hunting set up
I built 6 Dashers for an NRA Highpower competitor 10+ years ago. Stellar accuracy, shooter went on to win two MN State Championships. Problem was, after 12-1500rds, throat was 3/4" longer.
Why people aren't using it? Because most people don't or aren't capable of buying novelty single purpose weapons. Most people buy multi-use weapons to be able to be used for what the 2nd was written for. People don't want to be lugging around 50lbs of ammo that could be water or food in that situation. When you can reload your supply from unalived enemies the value of your weapon is unsurpassed and this one is just not capable of being able to do that.
6mm Dasher is a wildcat so most ammunition manufacturers won't make 6mm Dasher ammunition for that reason alone.
I shot the same set up with 300Norma. Had to mill out for the extra thick trunions. But it is a laser beam with 230gr bullets at 3000fps. 245 and 250 gr bullets good to 1000 yds. 230 good to 1700. Love it. Tagged my first Antelope at 1300yds with it. Perfect spine shot.
"What the pros use" can definitely be a cool tool but keep In mind, a bunch of dudes are sponsored by those companies so they don't really have a choice of what they're using lol
but they have a choice in who sponsors them, thereby deciding what they shoot.
It’s not common at all for PRS shooters to get paid. Being a “pro” in the sport doesn’t mean you’re getting paid. It’s a classification in the sport
PRS shooters get “paid” by sponsorships and the free product they are given to use and promote their products! The big NDAs that they have to sign also have an effect on the efficacy of the actual products!
@@jimhans1 not true. Very few shooters in the PRS world have any incentive to use products they use. I know people who have products that are sent to them so they can be “sponsored” and it either ends up collecting dust or they sell it.
@CalebWayneMcCready dude they literally cite an interview with a dude talking about the leupold mk5 and if you Google his name he's sponsored by leupold. Sponsorships at the top levels in PRS are common and that's alot of who they're surveying in this lmao
Back in the late '80s, early '90s, my uncle was a gunsmith. He built all sorts of rifles for lots of people. But for himself, and the rest of us family, he always built rifles around the 6mm, 6.5x55, 257 Robert's and 260 Remington. The 6.5x55 was his favorite, but he love all 4 of these always said they were the most accurate ever. We used to practice shooting the tops off beer bottles at 300, 400, and 500 yards. As I've gotten older, even though I don't hunt any more, I've always remembered what he said and did.
Now if only Varget was in stock anywhere that didn't price it between $60 and $70 a pound. Also (and this is purely subjective) you don't need 0.25 moa from a hunting rifle.
If varget is that much now I don’t want to even look
Considering that the WHOLESALE price on a 1lb bottle of Varget is hovering around $59 BEFORE shipping and HazMat charges that dealers have to pay also, you’re asking a lot when even Hodgdon is charging $65 per pound retail!
Agreed!
Come on "Jimmy-whatcha gon-ah-gi-me"
You're like a tv evangelist. You could be jimmy-what-u-gona-giv-me
Kinda depends how far your target is. Most hunter states have heavy vegetation so in the east instance, most hunters shoot 100 yrs or less. Got out west and many, most shots are fired outside 200 yrs.
You have came a long ways from your hunting stuff, and your channel has grown a ton. I have been shooting a 6xc for almost a decade.
6 Dasher, you definitely made a wice choice there!
A 6 anything, is a magic combination ;)
6 BR, 243, 6 Dasher, 6x284
A 6x284 for instance, has more retained velocity and more energy than a 7 mm Mag does
once past 600 yards.
The 6mm bullets were the about the most developed for years, until recently
The 7mm Bullets have now surpassed them in B.C.
Now.....a straight 284 will shoot lights out because of this with B.C's above .700
When years before around .480-.520 was a high BC for 7mm
I feel this way about 6BR...but were getting better barrel life. Hand loading 6mm with varget is the easy button.
I've got a factory Tikka T3x 270 that shoots this well with 150 NBTs, 1x fired Win brass neck sized with a bushing, then over a turn mandrel, 210 match primers H4350 or IMR4831 slow but accurate and deadly at 2830fps and another Tikka T3x stainless 270 that does even better with 150 Berger VLDs over H4831SC, 1x fired Win brass prepped the same way also around 2800fps. So yes, this kind of accuracy can easily be achieved in a hunting rifle.
As I understand it, the same rifle in 6.5x55 is almost always just the same experience. They know something over there at Tikka/Sako.
@life_of_riley88 I'm running a Sako 85 Finlight 6.5x55, I reload for fun, pretty much just neck size, load the powder and go although I'm pretty anal with the powder and OAL. I've recently switched to 143 gr ELD-X and have settled into a load that shoots 5 shots into a raggedy hole at 100m.
@@life_of_riley88 I've considered a Tikka in that cartridge for 2 years now. I do have three Tikkas in 6.5CM I'm taking to the range today. 2 are left hand stainless T3x Lites, one is a RH stainless superlite (my wife's rifle with a Backfire pad). No clue why I bothered with some handloads to test but I did. All 3 of these shoot factory Norma Whtietail 140s, Norma Bondstrike 140s, and Sellier&Bellot 131s like a competition rifle. I don't care what anyone says, the 6.5CM is definitely "inherently accurate." I've never witnessed anything like it. I loaded up 130 Nos. ABs over Staball 6.5. Also testing 143ELDX over Superformance, Staball 6.5, and IMR4350
I 100% believe you, I have 2 and they both do. Tikka is ridiculously precise. Their hunting rifles make $3000 target rifles (some I own) look stupid.
@@thomassophiea In the last 2 years I've sold several custom rifles because the Tikkas shoot just as well.
My model 700 rem. 30-06 165 grain iv hit the same hole idk how many times in a row at 100 yards. The first time it happened to me i thought i was missing the entire target paper was getting very frustrated lol!!. Then it dawned on me could i be hitting the same hole in the bullseye. So i turned scope up saw a horsefly moving around on the paper aimed at it squeezed. Finally saw a different hole walked over to the target little blood stains around the hole. I was very happy with rifle more with myself put rifle away till first day of deer season.
Love my Dasher, I had the same thought. “I should hunt with this”.. instead I built a 6CM to gain some fps out of less barrel. My 6CM is 8-9 lbs complete and it shoots sub 1/2 minute 5 shot groups all day. The modern 6mm’s are a cheat code. And they will drop a lot more than “medium” game, heavy for caliber 6’s efficiently dispatch plenty of elk and moose every year.
The videos I've seen testing the EC Tuner Brake are convincing that it is an effective device in helping shrink a group size as well as mitigate recoil. I think it is worth the investment. The price is not cheap but also not outrageous. There are a lot of other popular brakes in the same price range. Great shooting Jim. Enjoyed the video as usual.
6 dasher (and variants BR, BRA) is an amazing cartridge. crazy easy to tune, cheap on components. Record group shooting at 600 and 1000 yards. I've seen many a light class rifle (sub 17lb) shoot sub 2 inches at 1k. Its capable if the shooter is.
Hunters dont use it because you can't go to any LGS and just buy it off the shelf. There are at least 10 LGS within 20 mins of me, not to mention all the big box stores within the same range and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has 6 dasher sitting on the shelf. Not everyone has the ability to reload. You have lost touch with the common man.
I grew up in very rural north eastern California. Near the Oregon/ Nevada borders. My family was dependent on the Timber and Lumber industry, and I had to hunt to help put food on the table. My playground as a child was millions of acres of deep forest, rivers and creeks. I have had my own guns for as long as I can remember. All were used, old, and cheap when they came into my hands. But they put a lot of meat on my family's table. Most had come out of the Montgomery wards catalog or from the Coast to Coast hardware store, long before I got them. Handed down by family. My first scoped gun was an old Western field 30-06 that had an old 3-9 Tasco scope on it. Over the years I took hundreds of what would today be considered trophy bucks with it. The smallest being a 24in 3 point. My first non bb gun was a stevens single shot .22 when I was 7. I killed thousands of squirrels, rabbits, and an occasional deer with it. When I was 9yrs I got a Stevens single shot .410 for quail, and when I was 10 a Montgomery wards 30-30. At 11 a Stevens single shot 12ga for ducks and geese. And the only new gun I had as a kid was a Coast to Coast pump 12ga. All of those guns are considered cheap, but they were shooters, and all I could hope to have. I learned how to hunt with them. Mainly with iron sights. Killing deer between 25-50yrds was the norm. Usually running. Killing one at over a100yrds, off hand was considered phenomenal. And at 500yrds or more was unheard of, and would have been considered foolish. Today I have much better, and more expensive rifles and scopes, but I have to laugh when I think about the guns and scopes that I used when I was younger. Especially when I hear hunters today talking. Especially the snobs. I love your videos. Especially some of the comments that are made.
Surprise Valley? Funny my first Gun was a Stevens model 73 at about the same age.
@@stevesparks2001 I grew up in the forest in between Mt Lassen, and Mount shasta. I do currently live near Surprise Valley, in Likely.
Why not have a message with the complete build from buttstock to barrel.
I have been shooting bug sized groups for over 30yrs with a 6mm x 284 Win.,6mm Rem,257 Roberts,260Rem 6.5 Swede, 6.5x54Mann.,7x57 Mau. 7mm-08,280 Rem and I have had nothing to say about then but they are all stellar performers but now every month now it seems someone comes out with a new cartridge that we never knew we needed until they told us so. That's a great rifle you have there and it shoots very well and looks like a million bucks but the dasher I remember from the late 90s seemed to be a short stubby thing so maybe by now they even reinvented it again.Sorry but I wont be jumping on the band wagon for this new round or any other the other new rounds because redundancy costs money.
Some people shoot 6 dasher and 6 BR in F-open, for the recoil, but once you get out to 1000y plus the 7mm cartridges start to shine.
Hell I would shoot 300 PRC or 300 WBY with 240grn bergers if muzzle brakes were allowed in F-open.
I'm building a 7mm atm 10kg rifle (max weight in F-open) witha 180gr berger @2700fps it has 9 joules of recoil, from what I have seen anything under 10 joules is fine.
Jesus, the 'thrill' of ground pounding stalks lugging around a 20+ lb rifle rifle for a full day's hunt while firing a 6mm round that 'ONLY' produces 400fps LESS than my 7.6 lb, 60 ish year old 6mm Remington 700 BDL AND, your rifle would only require me to 'drop' to prone position in god knows what terrain to take my shot; er, uh, well that "THRILL" somehow eludes me.. Oh, and btw, I've done 3 shot groups with MY rifle at 100 yards + that you could cover with a dime; a quarter is too easy- it's a solid .3 to .5 MOA rifle. My scope? An old classic Redfield variable, that's been on that rifle since the day my Dad bought it for me and taught me how to 'bed' the action. LOTS of history in that gun..btw, I've reloaded it with either 4350 or 4831 all these years, depending on what was available, cause that's what I found just plain 'works'. Even so, Good luck with YOUR , rifle though I suspect I won't cross your trail hunting up in the mountains..
With your obvious outstanding ability to either build rifles or, more likely in this instance, spew forth with unqualified bull shit that no one here is likely to even slow down to read, be cause kind sir, we didn't some forth on this day looking for bull shit that no one qualified to back up in court, well, like this old man, I am asuredly qualified to present to yall, your old shot out rifle with a dented Redfield, well, shit, I just gotta say, WHY? coupled with wgaf?
@@davidmorgan9095 David, you simply have no idea...>VN era -FORCES COMMAND HQ XVIII ABN Spcl Serv/Warfare "SKYDRAGON" here. I was raised in the High Rockies of Colorado (6 to 7k ft. elevation) hunting Elk, Mule deer, and occasionally Antelope (down on the prairie.) My genetics gave me 20/19 and 20/18 eyesight and frankly, I can shoot, (former holder of the Fort Ord Rifle record) BUT, I can, and have, also 'hunted , and been hunted by, everything from Inland Alaskan Mountain Grizzlies, Bull Moose, Cougars, not to mention Cape Buffalo and battled hardened combat soldiers. Now, having explained that, I find little attractive, or compelling about the idea of humping a 20 plus pound 6mm unwieldy long gun around out in the bush for a day's hunt.
OTOH, if you enjoy 'match' shooting paper/steel on a range somewhere, then you might gain more satisfaction from YOUR choice of weapon. Even so, other than the ability to utilize a slightly more compact action, I see no advantage to the whiz bang 6 ARC/Dash cartridge, over the higher capacity thus greater versatility of the 70 plus year old Remington.
Lastly, as to whether others find any value in what I've written...well, let me just say that only a profoundly arrogant man presumes to speak for everyone else.
Been shooting 6.8 Dasher from a 6.5lb AR15 for over five years (130gr @2928fps from 18" barrel) Also have a 6mm Dasher 14.5" barreled AR (ho hum load 88gr @3000fps). Hard to sell them, no factory ammo support and few handloaders. Remington used to sell BR rifles. I'm always King when its out and about.
What barrel extensions, bolts, and magazines are you using?
@@LRRPFco52 you can go after market, or off shelf parts and no extension change. 6.8 mags with 458 follower
The EC Tuner stands out! 6mm is the most desired bullet for accuracy. I use the 6mmARC. The most common issues I have found is finding hunting ammo for some cartridges. Most hunters use factory ammo.
Use the 108 eld-ms from Hornady. Incredibly effective as a hunting bullet
Ruger built me a 6mm Remington in a heavy barrel (Dougles) in a Model 77. It shot dime size groups in 1976. It still shoots dimes size groups. I chose the 6mm Remington because of the length of the neck. A Reloader here. A long case neck allows you to tune your loads.
I'm impressed by your effort and devotion to constructing the best possible rifle, and also the performance of new rifle and its cartridge..
Kind of makes you wonder where the fourth and fifth round might go.
In the same hole.
@@jeremysalter152 probably so, even more reason to show it.
@brandiwynter he commonly shoots 3 shot groups, it's a habit I think.
@@jeremysalter152 I know and get the reason, because it's hunting oriented and you aren't going to shoot more than three at any time but considering the nice guns he shoots it would be great to see some five shot groups. This rifle would probably still be sub moa with five shots but I've seen a lot of "very accurate" rifles print three shots under an inch and throw the other two well over an inch. It always makes me wonder when I see guns shooting good three shot groups.
Yeah, I’d like to see a 10 shot aggregate
Your reports are absolutely far and away the most informative while being entertaining. Question,did you read Ken Waters articles as a kid because your approach to shooting is similar but kicked up a notch. Keep doing it brother!!!
"I won't draw it out" -hahahaha
Huh, you kinda did draw it out....
i'd rather wait for someone to reply to my comment than watcht the whole video lol. What is the cartridge?
@beanboy1821 45-70.
Well, it might as well have been.
As it was just a modern 243 with fast twist
@@jamesmooney5348 lol, thanks
Thanks!
Seriously love this concept Jim! Look forward to the coming videos!
I have a Remington 40XBR with a Hart Barrel in 6mm BR Remington and it was made to shoot 100-200 yard benchrest with a custom neck of .266". It will shoot ragged holes at 100 and 200 yards. If it isn't windy, it shoots well out to 600 yards. It's only a 1 in 12" twist so taps out at 80 grain projectiles.
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My deer rifle is a 6 dasher. It is light maybe 7 pounds, feeds reliably through an internal 700 style magazine, and shoots .2-.3” groups with 108gr elite hunters.
I use 6mm ARC
Same!!!
Bolt action 6 arc gets the same velocity as the 6 dasher with more available brass and less powder. Great cartridge
I’m looking at it.
I have also been looking at it. What are your thoughts on it so far?
When I was competing in the TXARNG, both black- and brown-gun, with issue NM M14, XM21 and M24, my best "undeveloped" loads were clones of M852 and M118, with the charge from the DODAC specs (IMR 4895) and 168/175 SMKs, and the same charge with 165 SGKs for game loads. My 175 SMK load was essentially beating the armory to the M118LR idea, and it was the best ammo my M24 ever shot. The game load printed to the M24's BDC numbers, except in yards vs meters. That M24 gave 1 MOA with M852, 1.4 MOA with M118, 1 MOA with M118LR, .75 MOA with the game load, .8 MOA with my M852 clone and .6 MOA with my M118LR clone. If I still had it I'd try a game load with the new 175 SGK.
I got a little teary when I had to turn in the M14 and M24.
What Daniel said. 6GT, made specifically to deal with the magazine issues.
Dasher is better than GT on feeding! 🤦🏻♂️
@@jaymiller393how so???? You have to adjust feed lips to feed. With the 6mmgt you can use any standard 308/6.5 creed mag without doing anything 🤦♂️
Is the GT winning? (ie more accurate?)
@@killerfungis a lot of cartridges win matches such as the 6mm bra, 6 gt, 6 Dasher, 6 creed etc but the 6mm gt definitely wins on feeding
I have a 6 GT in a bergara competition shoots a 10-round group 0.4-.5 109 bergers at 2940
This is going to be awesome. I have always been curious about what could you do to make a hunting rifle shoot "like" a competition rifle, without the weight. Can't wait. PS love your turret tags. Had to shout out that haha
Great idea...look forward to what can be applied to a hunting rifle.
I think you left out a couple of pieces of information that I am definitely interested in. 1.) Twist Rate of the Rifling and 2.) The distance that you are shooting. Please let me know...
nice looking rifle but I'm 4:00 in and you still haven't mentioned what the cartridge is soooooo.....goodbye.
Yea wtf I’m skimming and fast forwarding super lame
Thank you for the detailed build. This weapon is impressive, and you are gracious enough to share your knowledge to save us from waisting time , money, and a multitude of frustration.. I appreciate you very much. GOD bless and good hunting!
FWIW, 6 Creedmoor is a very similar cartridge, but maybe a little more forgiving as a hunting load with slightly more velocity and energy than 6 Dasher. Load development may be a little more forgiving in the Dasher, but ammo / brass is way more available for 6CM. FWIW, I currently shoot 6GT for PRS and like it so much that I have a custom 6 Creed hunting rifle coming from GA Precision soon with an Impact NBK (lighter version of 737R), 20" Bartlein GAP #4 contour, 1:7.5 fluted barrel in a Manners LRH stock. I'm guessing that this will wind up with very similar performance to your 6 Dasher build. Maybe you will spring for a carbon fiber barrel if your budget allows.(?) Good luck!
I just bought an Aero Solus 17” clear anodized “blem” chassis during their Friday the 13th sale. I’ll probably build it out with some sort of 6mm cartridge. Something that can hunt and compete and has readily available ammo. Great content as always, much love from Texas!
I seen a remington 660 in a 6mm put 9 bullets in the same hole at 100yds and this was remington factory 105 grn bullets
Some advice (take it or leave it):
During "single feed" rounds, try dropping the case head first into the aft of the receiver and let the tip gravity fall into place... then run the bolt.
This eliminates any fumbling around, trying to feed the tip into the chamber.
Wasn't your beloved 308 mosberg cybornized into a 6 dasher? Thereis you a new hunting rifle.
This is probably the precursor video to the introduction of that rifle.
My 25+ year old Rem 700 ADL .243 shoots these kind of groups all day long with some of the cheapest ammo, the 95gr Federal Fusion bullets. I put a 250 dollar Burris scope on it and love it. Spent less that 600 bucks on it. It is my go to mulie/whitetail/antelope duster downer and would never get rid of it. Some states rifle/scope/accessories can weigh more than 16 pounds to be legal. Mine weighs less than 7 pounds fully outfitted. I also seasoned the barrel by cleaning the pizza out of it before I took one shot also after every 5 shots and the last patch I run thru has muzzle loader Bore Butter on it. That barrel is slick!
The 6x284 and the 6.5x284 is extremely accurate I know I have one so the question is that the caliber your shooting
@@jeremystyron9721 the 284 win casing was setting records right up until Hornady convinced everyone there was something wrong with it
Agreed.
A 6x284? How many barrels have you gone through?
Nice vid.
Best no development hunting combo. Ruger pred 2, .223, norma, 53gr Oryx & SP semi point, 0.140 inch, on a good day.
Other was 7mm WSM, developed with Berger 168 VLD, HS Precision HTR, S&B PM II, which I lug (in a harness) around the mountains here in NZ - it got 0.42 inch at 400 m on a totally still day.
The Ruger No1, in 7x64, is also a tac driver.
Thanks and cheers
*If you can hold a 3" group at 300 yards you have a kill. With that said my 300 WIN-MAG could do that in any wind condition with a very heavy punch IN SEMI-AUTO with my Browning BAR MK3.*
Jim I am absolutely freaking excited where you are going with this concept!
This video series is the best gun content on youtube
I’ve built rifles in 8 1/2 pound range in dasher and BRA that shoot as good as the 17 pound rifles. They make a nice coyote or varmint rifle.