Kyle Gaming Meh if your really good with sheik kills become easier, but I won't say you suck if you can't. My personal problem is I play teams and when I go for kill setups either the other enemy stops me or my teammate attacks the one I'm trying to kill but doesn't get the kill.
Mish Koz pretty sure it's sheik exclusive because she has two parts to her recover. I guess other characters could ledge cancel their recover and grab ledge afterward, but that's not really the same as refreshing intangibility
I'm surprised you didn't mention this during the diddy section!! **If you down air with sheik on diddy's banana, she doesn't trip and experiences NO LAG! It's a good way of removing the banana without tripping quickly**
Just a Tiger thing but that section was dedicated to the fact that diddy's banana can allow her to pick up her defused grenade. she can't use dair and side b at the same time, so even if they *did* know that her dair laglessly gets rid of the banana, they wouldn't include it in that section. thanks for sharing this, though (though i feel like it would be more useful to grab the banana because it gives you an advantage against diddy in the neutral because he can't pull out another banana).
It's pretty close to it, but since you can't carry invincibility from ledgegrabs, the use for this pseudo stall are very limited. This is one of the reason only Sheik specifide channel have talk about it.
one thing I have noticed about the Defused Grenade is that there was once a tactic where you throw it to challenge a projectile, and if the opposing shot struck, the Grenade would generally be in prime position to punish by detonating almost right away. so just a thought, if you can manage to get a defused grenade against someone spamming projectiles, you can use it to challenge them straight up.
I really want to see some grenade into upsmash, maybe footstool grenade upsmash, or throw grenade up, back throw into upsmash in a tourney... id get hyped over that
The intangible ledge re-grab is kind of like ledge dashing in Melee. You put out an invincible hit box from the ledge but you risk dying if you perform it incorrectly.
Ok, so now can you find any techs for Jigglypuff? So far all i've found is item drop -> rest, but this can only be done on opponents with droppable items.
They don't choose the character they find techs for, it just happens in normal play and then people test them in training and stuff. Since high tiers getnplayed more than Jigglypuff, more techs are discovered for them.
I remember watching Vinnie do the intangible ledge regrab back when he took a set off Zero, never found the tech to be that hard, but the risk is definitely enough to justify not going for it.
The item play is actually crazy because it gives her kill setups, which is the only thing her character lacks, using that technique against Falco or Mario or any char with a projectile to interrupt would give her so many kill setups oml
A way to make the instant needle cancel easier is to change the X button to shield. That means you can slide your thumb from the B button to the A button to the X button.
I saw in another video that defused grenade can jab lock if it's thrown when the opponent misses the tech. Just saying, I don't even play Sheik, but it's pretty interesting tho.
As a Sheik Main (I Look Try Hard but Trust Me I'm Not) I knew of the First and Third One. This Video helped Me Learned the Second One and Now I'm Gonna have a Better Matchup against Diddy Kong. Thank You Plasma Smash
Awesome, thanks! Now I feel weird for actually liking royalty-free music XD Or maybe BFD just has great musical taste and are able to find royalty free music that's actually good! :P
I feel like the whole grenade might be useful for doubles matches. But, at the same time in a competitive match in can be risky to do and depending on the synergy level could result in either frustration or a complete success.
Needle fidgeting is also an insanely hard tech to pull off consistently given the timing, so I'd definitely say it should be on the list, since these other 3 techs are more so not used in competitive because they are too situational. Needle fidgeting is rarely used in competitive since it's so inconsistent to pull off (except for VoiD on the odd occasion when he cancels needles into B'fish).
Not surprised it isn't in this video, because it isn't a hard tech or anything, but being able to cancel needle charge midair with another special is probably my favorite Sheik tech.
The grenade is hard to see and is small so it can be used to catch your opponents off guard, especially in darker stages where it can camouflage. If your opponent doesn't hear the picking up sound, it can be convenient. It can work against for example a projectile spammer.
For the third technique with the banana, wouldn't it just be better just to grab the banana? Why would you trip on the banana just to get an inferior item?
Did you see the combo at the beginning, hard to say it's inferior, just different. Although I do agree, probably is better to grab banana rather than intentionally putting yourself in danger
I know this comment is already a month old, but the grenade can hit multiple times so you can keep picking it up and throwing. The banana disappears after hitting the opponent once.
5:18 OHH I SEEN THIS TECH FROM A SHEIK MAIN TH-camR BEFORE BRUH I WAS SHOCKED WHEN SEEING YOU CAN USE IT AS AN item so not only is it extremely good at edge-guarding however it can also be used as a secret weapon, in smash this technique is called, “Deku Toss” I know it sounds weird but in smash ultimate that!s literally the name I’m dead serious right now
Great, now I know how to, in the midst of battle, defuse my own grenades by tripping on a banana peel, that I have to obtain from my opponent, in order to use the defused grenade as a weapon. Just what I needed.
so the first trick on her intangible ledge regrab is very very very similar to how it works in melee (sheik's shino stall as they call it.) however, in melee it's optimized to the point where we can use her intangibility to ledgedash back on the stage (let go of ledge jump and wavedash on the stage) and do invincible moves like ftilt and grab that previously weren't invincible, and if sheik wanted to continue to shino stall for however long she wanted we had that optimized to where she was actually invincible the entire time and people would practice on brinstar and never get hit. on here, he states that her intangibility begins on frame 19 of her up-b, however, in sm4sh ledge invincibility is influenced on air time and percentage with a minimum of 24 frames of intangibility up to 100 extra, 124. this is enough to be able to rinse and repeat it granting full invincibility. i'm not sure how fast you need to be to do this or if it works passed a certain percent but i'm almost 100% sure there's a point where she should be able to be completely invincible
I think that I've unintentionally done the first one with Palutena, but I'm not sure if I actually became intangible or if I'd be able to repeat it (without spending a lot of time).
it wouldnt be really that useful tho since you probably would have just enough time to have 2 and on top of that its hard to just get 1 out and get away with it
You know, about the bomb drop thing, Charizard has something similar. Once I used Rock Smash but got hit. The animation stopped and the rock just fell down. It was weird. I think I was hit the very first frame the rock was fully generated, but before super armor frames. I was stupid and didnt save replay, but take my word for it
on time a did an up smash with sheik and a mewtwo was under the at the place where you can stage spike opponents and the up smash stage spiked the mewtwo. maybe there is a hitbox at the feet of sheik
I was able to the First Technique with Metaknight's Down Special! It is a bit harder to than Sheik's because Metaknight will usually face the wrong direction. Might be possible with Zelda definitely impractical. I would try Mewtwo but do not have.
I think there are more difficult techs. For example, I think that needles edge cancel is much more difficult than the first and the second tech you showcased. In fact, I play sheik just a few and for fun and I can do both inc and invincible regrab constantly
The second technique also works with Kirby when Kirby copy Sheik I try it It's very nice and I can beat Sheik with Kirby better Thanks for this video n.n
Can't you do the same damageless Defused Grenade retrieval with Bowser Jr.'s Mechakoopa locking you on contact and being picked up before the explosion? You don't take damage on Mechakoopa contact if it's picked up/out of range before it explodes, right?
Edit: oh shit it works. Let's goooo bringing back lame sheik in PM :DD Edi2: thanks again~ www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/60d02w/using_sheiks_poof_pressure_to_reset_the/ Haven't touched S4 for a while so idk why I'm still subbed, but I'm glad I still am now. PM implemented a system against invincibility ledge refreshes, which cuts down on any invincibility you gain from grabbing ledge (by a 1/2?) after the 5th or 6th regrab. (It's not perfect, as some haxdashes would obviously bypass it, but most of those aren't true anyhow. I can only name Falcon and Wolf, don't think anyone else can.) PM Sheiks have also been shino stalling onto stage since pre-3.5 (?) when the ledge regrab counter was implemented, but only as a neat little trick to throw out an unexpected hitbox where Melee players assume Sheik can't reach (you can't regrab the ledge backwards in Melee). All "teleport" moves have to interact with the ground so they don't clip through the stage, so they should have collision boxes in every game. Excited to go test this later and see if it works similarly (: thanks for the idea
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You missed trying to kill your opponent. I'm pretty sure that's almost impossible
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Mark Fuzuzu that totally make sense, lol
Mark Fuzuzu This is the first time my username actually worked, and someone noticed
Says that in a video where Sheik kills people near the end. COINCIDENCE!!!!!
You forgot her DACUS. It's so hard you'd think sakurai took it out of the game or something.
Escape Artiste the hardest kek that has ever been kekd
Transforming into Zelda is 2 hard 4 me
How do i use sheik's whip chain?
Kyle Gaming beat 1000 miis on cruel smash
TheTacticianMagician no,its 2000
Hardest Sheik Tech: "Landing A Kill"
KingPun why would a sheik player be offended, it kinda the truth.
"Bro its not that hard to kill with sheik, you just suck at the game."
Is what i was expecting for someone to say
Kyle Gaming Meh if your really good with sheik kills become easier, but I won't say you suck if you can't. My personal problem is I play teams and when I go for kill setups either the other enemy stops me or my teammate attacks the one I'm trying to kill but doesn't get the kill.
Austen Liao boi its not hard to kill as sheik you just have to use two million fairs and then use a ftilt
Says that in a video where Sheik kills people near the end. COINCIDENCE!!!!!
Something about the grenade shooting off with a lot of momentum makes me laugh XD
Fortune Gaming
After all, it does build up speed for 12 seconds
watch Sheik catch the grenade with half an A press
Vher But first we have to talk about parallel vanishes
Fortune Gaming Are we talking about pannenkoek XD??
Yes, apparently lol
damn those sheik granade combos were amazing
Have fun practicing :)
Beefy Smash Doods ez
more like failing for hours on end before throwing my controller into the tv
Beefy Smash Doods how about some lucario combos please
BSD can you please do a more indepth video about frame syncing. Ness' up air has it, ZSS has it with f-air, Cloud, etc...I'd be awesome
what's the background music u used? it sounds amazing
Can other teleporting characters do the intangible ledge regrab?
Mish Koz good question
Mish Koz pretty sure it's sheik exclusive because she has two parts to her recover. I guess other characters could ledge cancel their recover and grab ledge afterward, but that's not really the same as refreshing intangibility
They can ledge cancel but I'm not sure if they can refresh their intangibility
TheHexagonalMoon Ayy that's the legendary JP
the grenade might be more practical than we think..
why not just pick up the banana lol
Mamba MD Lol ikr
because Mindgames
Sheik can't pick up the banana because she is allergic to it, so she has to trip on it and take the grenade instead.
Mamba MD because they are completely different items.
T C yeah and if you mess up the grenade you also have nothing so? And if you succeed with the grenade you still have a much worse item lol
I'm surprised you didn't mention this during the diddy section!! **If you down air with sheik on diddy's banana, she doesn't trip and experiences NO LAG! It's a good way of removing the banana without tripping quickly**
Just a Tiger thing but that section was dedicated to the fact that diddy's banana can allow her to pick up her defused grenade. she can't use dair and side b at the same time, so even if they *did* know that her dair laglessly gets rid of the banana, they wouldn't include it in that section.
thanks for sharing this, though (though i feel like it would be more useful to grab the banana because it gives you an advantage against diddy in the neutral because he can't pull out another banana).
did.......
did you guys just show shino stalling in smash 4?
ZeoLightning I wish
My thoughts exactly, but like he said sheik is vulnerable while doing it.
ZeoLightning If only
i didnt make this comment expecting people to WANT shino stalling in smash 4.......
It's pretty close to it, but since you can't carry invincibility from ledgegrabs, the use for this pseudo stall are very limited. This is one of the reason only Sheik specifide channel have talk about it.
#1 is easy as hell if you play Melee Sheik, because it's essentially a harder Shino stall
That grenade trick is the bomb
You know, with kameme picking up Sheik, we might get to see those footstool item drop combos after all
one thing I have noticed about the Defused Grenade is that there was once a tactic where you throw it to challenge a projectile, and if the opposing shot struck, the Grenade would generally be in prime position to punish by detonating almost right away.
so just a thought, if you can manage to get a defused grenade against someone spamming projectiles, you can use it to challenge them straight up.
6:25 Something Diddy Kong specific that's not Diddy Privilege???
Refreshed intangibility with Up B, What is this Melee!?
when shino stalling is one of the hardest techs. lel melee players have been shino stalling since 04
beefy smash doods, making the best even better since 2015
What about the "wave-needle" where shiek dashes, cancels needles with a b-reverse and slides back a bit? seen Void playing around with it on twitter.
c-bouncing. look at one of deku trees videos for this
I really want to see some grenade into upsmash, maybe footstool grenade upsmash, or throw grenade up, back throw into upsmash in a tourney... id get hyped over that
The intangible ledge re-grab is kind of like ledge dashing in Melee. You put out an invincible hit box from the ledge but you risk dying if you perform it incorrectly.
Ok, so now can you find any techs for Jigglypuff? So far all i've found is item drop -> rest, but this can only be done on opponents with droppable items.
They don't choose the character they find techs for, it just happens in normal play and then people test them in training and stuff. Since high tiers getnplayed more than Jigglypuff, more techs are discovered for them.
I remember watching Vinnie do the intangible ledge regrab back when he took a set off Zero, never found the tech to be that hard, but the risk is definitely enough to justify not going for it.
The item play is actually crazy because it gives her kill setups, which is the only thing her character lacks, using that technique against Falco or Mario or any char with a projectile to interrupt would give her so many kill setups oml
A way to make the instant needle cancel easier is to change the X button to shield. That means you can slide your thumb from the B button to the A button to the X button.
I saw in another video that defused grenade can jab lock if it's thrown when the opponent misses the tech. Just saying, I don't even play Sheik, but it's pretty interesting tho.
I find it very satisfying when you say "die"
For some reason, seeing Shiek chase the diffused grenade was pretty funny.
As a Sheik Main (I Look Try Hard but Trust Me I'm Not) I knew of the First and Third One. This Video helped Me Learned the Second One and Now I'm Gonna have a Better Matchup against Diddy Kong. Thank You Plasma Smash
"Song: Drop World 4 by Niklas Ahlström" I can't for the life of me find this anywhere. Can you paste a link to it, please?
search in the epidemic sound library for it ! :)
Awesome, thanks! Now I feel weird for actually liking royalty-free music XD Or maybe BFD just has great musical taste and are able to find royalty free music that's actually good! :P
I feel like the whole grenade might be useful for doubles matches. But, at the same time in a competitive match in can be risky to do and depending on the synergy level could result in either frustration or a complete success.
Needle fidgeting is also an insanely hard tech to pull off consistently given the timing, so I'd definitely say it should be on the list, since these other 3 techs are more so not used in competitive because they are too situational. Needle fidgeting is rarely used in competitive since it's so inconsistent to pull off (except for VoiD on the odd occasion when he cancels needles into B'fish).
"Should I charge needless or get my acorn?" Get the acorn every time. Every. Time.
Another great video, but where is the link to that video demonstrating the second tech in the description? As of now I do not see it.
Thx, we fixed it now.
Not surprised it isn't in this video, because it isn't a hard tech or anything, but being able to cancel needle charge midair with another special is probably my favorite Sheik tech.
You should do one for cloud.
oh wait.....
DarkFox2071 Up air.
auto canceled dairs lol thats litterly it lol
down b
DarkFox2071 Cloud's hardest tech is grabbing the ledge
Charge limit, rolling and up airs are all you need to know
Sheik grenade is going to move her into her own tier.
"Sure, it is not a broken item."
Proceeds to show off multiple kill confirms and setups.
Please do more of these under rated technique videos! Fox next pls
Making the first tech look like Melee Sheik.
The grenade is hard to see and is small so it can be used to catch your opponents off guard, especially in darker stages where it can camouflage. If your opponent doesn't hear the picking up sound, it can be convenient. It can work against for example a projectile spammer.
For the third technique with the banana, wouldn't it just be better just to grab the banana? Why would you trip on the banana just to get an inferior item?
Did you see the combo at the beginning, hard to say it's inferior, just different. Although I do agree, probably is better to grab banana rather than intentionally putting yourself in danger
I'd say that if you encounter a spammer, then you can use their projectiles to diffuse the grenade, and maybe catch them off guard with their spamming
Maybe it's the catch the enemy off guard because the grenade is really small and it would be really hard to see.
I know this comment is already a month old, but the grenade can hit multiple times so you can keep picking it up and throwing. The banana disappears after hitting the opponent once.
could you imagine a z-drop grenade to cover ledge into a bouncing fish kill, more people need to learn this tech omg
0:50 m2k new sheik main confirmed
5:18 OHH I SEEN THIS TECH FROM A SHEIK MAIN TH-camR BEFORE BRUH I WAS SHOCKED WHEN SEEING YOU CAN USE IT AS AN item so not only is it extremely good at edge-guarding however it can also be used as a secret weapon, in smash this technique is called, “Deku Toss” I know it sounds weird but in smash ultimate that!s literally the name I’m dead serious right now
Great, now I know how to, in the midst of battle, defuse my own grenades by tripping on a banana peel, that I have to obtain from my opponent, in order to use the defused grenade as a weapon. Just what I needed.
so the first trick on her intangible ledge regrab is very very very similar to how it works in melee (sheik's shino stall as they call it.) however, in melee it's optimized to the point where we can use her intangibility to ledgedash back on the stage (let go of ledge jump and wavedash on the stage) and do invincible moves like ftilt and grab that previously weren't invincible, and if sheik wanted to continue to shino stall for however long she wanted we had that optimized to where she was actually invincible the entire time and people would practice on brinstar and never get hit. on here, he states that her intangibility begins on frame 19 of her up-b, however, in sm4sh ledge invincibility is influenced on air time and percentage with a minimum of 24 frames of intangibility up to 100 extra, 124. this is enough to be able to rinse and repeat it granting full invincibility. i'm not sure how fast you need to be to do this or if it works passed a certain percent but i'm almost 100% sure there's a point where she should be able to be completely invincible
Out of curiosity, since Bayonetta has a SIMILAR charging cancelable neutral B, can she also use an Instant Cancel?
Shoutouts to Saiki using a shino stall to take a game off Ally at Rise today!
I got my cloud shirt yesterday :D
I think that I've unintentionally done the first one with Palutena, but I'm not sure if I actually became intangible or if I'd be able to repeat it (without spending a lot of time).
Can sheik have multiple grenades out at once? Say you did get one grenade, is possible to get another before the previous one despawns?
Also, if its possible to have multiple up to how many?
I think there is no cap. She can definitely have multiple defused grenades out :)
it wouldnt be really that useful tho since you probably would have just enough time to have 2 and on top of that its hard to just get 1 out and get away with it
yes she can
wtf m2k ledge stall
sheik defuse granade is obviously the best item in the game.
I propose Toon Link with the following tech: returning rang landing lag cancelling also known as rlc, instant c4, and grounded z catch.
Does the Needle cancel work with other characters that have charge moves, or is it JUST sheik
Damn, that background music sounded like some Smash doc sound track
Its been a while since I've seen anything from Lucas.
You know, about the bomb drop thing, Charizard has something similar. Once I used Rock Smash but got hit. The animation stopped and the rock just fell down. It was weird. I think I was hit the very first frame the rock was fully generated, but before super armor frames.
I was stupid and didnt save replay, but take my word for it
lets hope we see our boy void do this soon
0:30
Is that a pro genji ledge jump?
Can't wait till Sheik 5
man it sure is fun practicing with a broken controller since the thumbstick replacement is taking forever to come here
(screaming at the screen)
Could you make a video on Tether Recoveries? I still get messed up with the ranges of them :/
Man, watching the last one made me want to listen to Bruno Mars' "Grenade" lol
on time a did an up smash with sheik and a mewtwo was under the at the place where you can stage spike opponents and the up smash stage spiked the mewtwo. maybe there is a hitbox at the feet of sheik
I was able to the First Technique with Metaknight's Down Special!
It is a bit harder to than Sheik's because Metaknight will usually face the wrong direction.
Might be possible with Zelda definitely impractical. I would try Mewtwo but do not have.
Great interesting video.
I like the background music playing.
Can't find the song online tho :/
ive never heard of a description either Kappa (lazy Kappa)
2 out of the 3 techs featured in this video I knew about thanks to Deku Tree.
Yeah but the link isn't in the description 4:54
Sorry, fixed it now!
The first tech only works because she DOES touch the stage. She's just invisible and invincible while she does it.
if someone pulls this shit off at EVO it's gonna be LIT!
If you do an aerial and then do the invincible ledge snap, could this be a viable stalling option?
the insta needle cancel is exactly like pac mans phantom fruit tech, yet beefy dudes sleep on pac 😧
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Link not In the description.
The thing I love about smash 4 is that u can never know everything about it
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So you're telling me Shino Stalling exists in Smash 4? And may as well have a forward wavedash?
Oh *boy*...
I think there are more difficult techs. For example, I think that needles edge cancel is much more difficult than the first and the second tech you showcased. In fact, I play sheik just a few and for fun and I can do both inc and invincible regrab constantly
The second technique also works with Kirby when Kirby copy Sheik
I try it
It's very nice and I can beat Sheik with Kirby better
Thanks for this video n.n
1:18 So THAT explains why I spiked a Sheik player when she was invisible in her up b as Roy... Huh.
If anyone pulled off some of those gernade combos in tournament i would freak out.
I bet void is in the lab right now get ready everyone
void already knew these lmao
Tygia James he probably knows all this and is probably in the lab most of the time anyway.
wont a perfect sheild cancel the explosion allowing it to be grabbed?
Shino Stalling?!!! It's time to pick up smash 4!
Why would you want to do the first technique on the ground if the intangibility would come back?
Can't you do the same damageless Defused Grenade retrieval with Bowser Jr.'s Mechakoopa locking you on contact and being picked up before the explosion? You don't take damage on Mechakoopa contact if it's picked up/out of range before it explodes, right?
yo what was that music?
Gonna wait for Void to bust one of these out randomly >.>
What about running C-Bounce INC? Ig that´s even harder to perform
is the needle cancel easier with bidou?
Unintentional pun at 5:03?
It would be cool to see if any Sheik mains could actually pull these techs off in a serious match.
Song of the Sea Definitely doable. The intangible regrab is like an easier version of Falcon's hax dash in Melee
CP Adagio it's more like sheik's shino stall
Edit: oh shit it works. Let's goooo bringing back lame sheik in PM :DD
Edi2: thanks again~ www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/60d02w/using_sheiks_poof_pressure_to_reset_the/
Haven't touched S4 for a while so idk why I'm still subbed, but I'm glad I still am now. PM implemented a system against invincibility ledge refreshes, which cuts down on any invincibility you gain from grabbing ledge (by a 1/2?) after the 5th or 6th regrab. (It's not perfect, as some haxdashes would obviously bypass it, but most of those aren't true anyhow. I can only name Falcon and Wolf, don't think anyone else can.) PM Sheiks have also been shino stalling onto stage since pre-3.5 (?) when the ledge regrab counter was implemented, but only as a neat little trick to throw out an unexpected hitbox where Melee players assume Sheik can't reach (you can't regrab the ledge backwards in Melee).
All "teleport" moves have to interact with the ground so they don't clip through the stage, so they should have collision boxes in every game. Excited to go test this later and see if it works similarly (: thanks for the idea
Xd so basically it's buffering an attack or tilt while doing dashing needle cancel tech (which is practically the bread and butter of sheik tech)
Does the diffused bomb jab reset?
The first sheik tech works in ssbu but is very difficult
its useless tho
Planking in smash 4? Is Mew2king back?