megaman is officially not a real character fellas sorry ... if i had to come up with a moveset for him though i'd say crash bomber or leaf shield would theoretically be his cheater moves
@@somiennoyingness Honestly as good as Link's shield is, it's still kind of bad, as it's strictly only when he is standing, walking, or crouching. No in between frames have the shield when say getting up, and that's a good couple frames needed if you were to land and wish to block a projectile immediately.
That's why I consider pikachu (also kinda pichu) the forbidden characters. Also me: one of my mains is ness, which I think I heard was the banned character 😂
Pikachu in 64: Up-B Pikachu in Melee: Bair Pikachu in Brawl: Up-B Pikachu in Sm4sh: Bair Pikachu in Ultimate: Bair Up-B and Bair, the 2 things that make no sense. (Bair cuz pancake duh)
@@cameronkirkpatrick1310 I picked them up randomly for fun, theyre so easy to play I was like bruh. It's like brain dead stuff with both at many % My 4yo niece could pick em up and win a tournament
For the DLC not present in the video: Dair for Pyra, enormous spike hitbox and a Kill confirm at 80% if you upsmash after Nair or bair for Mythra: both incredible combo starters with almost no endlag Electric fist for Kazuya: so much reward for a quick option if you know how to combo UpB for Sora: since even if you miss you are safe because of side B
12:33 I highly disagree. K. Rool's down smash is one of the most mechanically difficult moves to pull off in this game. Landing this move 100% means you outplayed your opponent with your superior IQ.
"Ganon doesn't really have a cheater move" His up-smash that makes platforms a death trap, kills at 50, and has the same range as the doriyah sword but hits on both sides:
also, side b. side b it literally downs your opponent for so long that it combos well into down smash as a ganon main, i can confirm his upsmash is busted too
Timestamp: 9:07 (I know that there would be people to ask for it. Also that fact that he went from 0% to 152.2% is disgusting. I hate Olimar and Alph so much.)
@Gustavo Vasconcelos you can literally only do specials, jab and smash attacks with extended hit boxes bc of Luma. Luma is the "puppet" in rosa's puppetfighter. Besides, Duck Hunt Duo is the exact same case. You select both on the screen but only really ever do things with both every so often
@@tripleaaabattery8480 Aigis was hilarious not because I have any clue who that is, but because a sword with a name one letter away from it was added soon after this video and it's just
@@KingKb1212 not anymore. A lot of the mega man mains complain that it doesnt connect consistently. Crash bomb also sometimes just shits the floor and the last launching explosion doesnt connect
For Peach: “Float is a mechanic so I’m not gonna count it.” For Lucario: “This is literally cheater the character. Every move cheats when he has aura.”
@@piperburgers Yeah, I saw the list and everything, I just thought it was funny that all of the moves were considered cheater moves BECAUSE of the passive.
But he also said that Diddy Kong's down b is cheap because it gives items, and that items are not allowed in competitive. But you can get bomb-ombs as Peach
Both of them are two different characters. As a shirtless shulk main, I can confirm that just playing as shirtless shulk makes the opponent so infatuated with you that's it cheating so there you go. Only downside is that you as the player also become infatuated. Idk bout sephiroth tho, will have to test that later.
@@bruhtopic As a Sephiroth main, I always end up playing worse while playing shirtless Seph.....don't know if that helps but maybe it proves your point.
Bowser is the most honest heavy and everyone is wrong. I hate the blatant propaganda that Bowser is bad or Bowser is broken, he has some the most endlag in the game. If you lose to Bowser it means youre bad and this is an objective fact and not at all bias.
@@miralavenzia actually down smash is waaaaaaaaaaay better than up smash at ledge because it hangs on to the ledge better than up smash its just harder to pull off which is why you don't see it as much if pulled off tho it can destroy almost half the recoveries in this game only a ness main would know what im talking about lol
For Ganon, definitely nair. It's active for long enough to get a degree in the meantime, it deals about 20 in total, it's an amazing ledge guarding tool, and it has virtually no endlag.
8:37 Spindash isnt his most cheater move, its his forward smash because it can block any attack, UR2SLOW made 2 videos about sonics forward smash and how op it is.
F Smash is stupid but its in the shadow of a much more infamous move that everyone spams at the ledge and cancels into any aerial, and did I metion its PLUS 11 ON SHIELD?!!!
@@lockevalentine997 I do agree with that point, although most of the higher skilled Shoto mains I’ve talked to have said auto turnaround makes or breaks the shotos defensive game, but this comment is more or less for a specific audience 😉
@@lockevalentine997 you don't realize how often you roll behind someone right before they attack and are able to punish them for missing. The turn around mechanic is definitely broken.
"float is a mechanic so i'm not gonna count that" i mean, i guess he counted cargo throw and luma, just saying it's a little inconsistent with what is/isn't a mechanic according to nick
@@phatcat-st4gb i’m a mewtwo main, was gonna say this also. disable is good but i honestly think mewtwo would drop at least a tier or two if he didn’t have confusion, it’s so good lmao
There aren’t consistent ways to land disable without a read. Footstool disable doesn’t work anymore, so the best setups we have are generally dthrow and other moves that we can force people to tech on platforms with
Waluigi is my favorite anime sword character in smash, his nuke is too good though along with his insane time warp mechanics not to mention that his nair is palutena's except instead of being just a palutena Nair, it has the range of ike Nair and pulls you in
As a Ridley main, I thought he was gonna call out the torcher we inflict on people with plasma breath at ledge. It doesn't always work, but when it does it's just hours of pressing and holding b and watching them drown in it
or side b when it drags you to the ledge and kills at like 60 and you all mash jab out of it and it just works AND you can use it to recover AND it works in the air
@@maratby4364 side B is great, never had it kill at 60 lowest I've seen is 90 standard is 120, but I wouldn't call it broken just because there's a lot of simple counterplay options, that make using it dangerous
@@alexlee9385 similarly, neutral B takes time to charge and won't hit you if you are going low, and while charging ridley can take more damage in the mouth area, the difference being you can reflect it
I'm an incineroar main and i'm genuinely offended he didn't pick either side B or down B, cause oh yeah a move that's invul for a few frames and leaves him wide open afterwards is cheating and yet the move that does 25 percent for no reason, has a bit of armor, kills extremely early, and has usability in any situation is perfectly fine, also add that in with down B being a frame 3 to 27 counter and revenge side B means easily 40 percent or more off nothing
F Smash is crazy but its honest compared to the most obvious move, the one every Sonic main spams at the ledge and is PLUS 11 ON SHIELD and cancels into every aerial
2 things. First up, yes, SDI the 4th hit. Your best chance out of it. Second, 3:46 is actually not true about Bowser side b killing earlier is actually a myth. With the right DI, it only kills 5% earlier. It's earlier, yes, but not enough to make it a difference
Kazuya: "allow me to introduce myself" (Promptly get three stocked by an inkling because of bad match up for Kazuya) (At least I have an easy time killing Kazuya as an inkling main, his attacks are slow and command grabable and inklings sprint can low profile under his beam attack)
My friend gets so pissed when I tell him how smash literally is so broken it can't be competitive. "But there's a whole community that disagrees with you so guess ur wrong" "Half the characters in that game have rng mechanics in their kits and to even play "competitively" you have to disable over half the features of the game such as items, map elements, and even just some whole ass maps. Sure totally balanced and sound game design totally not an absolute joke of a fighting game whatever you say cpt falcon, Pikachu, and snake main."
If you want a cheating Ganondorf move, his nair does 23%, kills the best out of any nair in the game, can be comboed into, is active for super long and has some *insane* disjoint. That move can contest like half the game mid air and makes recovering somewhere where Ganondorf can reach you quite difficult, unless you have an insane recovery.
@@maratby4364 Ganondorf can go decently deep actually, the issue with his recovery is primarily horizontal recovering and how linear it id but for edgeguards it's pretty passable. Also getting past a well timed Ganondorf drop down nair is bordering on impossible for some characters.
As a Shiek main, I'd say either needles or side B. At higher percentages, needles can set you up for a free k.o and they're fast, and side B can just nullify some recoverys with the windbox. (You can also set up side be onto the stage, grab ledge, then have a covered get up option)
@@michaelcross7665 Up b isn’t even the most broken move. I main Ridley and ive cheesed so many people online with side b on the edge of the ledge and drop em off the stage. If you neutral air after you let go odds are it hits mid recovery and you still have a jump and recovery.
Honestly, ness has a lot of “cheater moves” Fair can combo into itself a ton if you’re good enough Pk fire is self explanatory Pk thunder is great at juggling and pk t2 kills at around 40 if you can trick someone Down/up smash are free ledge traps Pk flash can be a great ledge guard against characters with slow predictable recoverys F-tilt kills WAY earlier than most people expect And down-b is almost a predecessor to melee fox shine, plus its a nightmare for characters like snake with lots of energy projectiles
“Arrrghh, that stupid Star!!!” - Opponents of Rosalina & Luma As a Rosa a main, I hear this all the time and 8 years in, it still never fails to put a smile on my face. XD
As a Ridley main it's DEFINITELY neutral b. Free gimp on some characters with literally zero commitment. Just run to ledge and press the b button and some characters just die
Yeah as an Ike main that move definitely is broken. I’ve mastered how to do it at the edge and be able to grab it while the opponent flys down the abyss.
As a Chrom player, I think his jab deserves an honorable mention. It does a decent amount of damage no matter what part of the sword you hit with, and combos into several kill moves. All I need to do to edge guard is stand slightly away from ledge, jab, and get ready to back air.
I think Lucario's actual cheater move since aura is a mechanic is actually down B. It has its own damage and knock back so it doesn't care how powerful the move you used was, it can teleport so projectiles aren't even safe on it and you can actually change the direction you attack from if you want.
I think snake's biggest cheater move is down B, for 2 reasons. 1, it is a command bomb, like links. 2, it can be used to recover infinetly. Also, fox up tilt for some reason combo's into itself 7 times, which is pretty unfair.
I love how all Links are 90% echo fighters of one another, the children are up B, but BotW: I’m 90 levels ahead of you. I activated collision overload, but since it’s not from your world, I can still hit you!
@John Martinez di to the right upper corner (when ken is facing right). This only really applies to middle weight characters, but shroyken has trouble killing when it is stale so of you survive the freshness knockback (which drastically affects the power of shoryuken) it has trouble killing.
Dude I started playing Joker to get a hang of it...I hate it. The biggest argument Joker manes have is he has no kill potential without Arsene. And as a Sonic main, they have about the same kill power, and Arsene just amplifies it.
@@zichithefox4781 I mean it’s significantly harder to kill without arsene, but it’s still doable. The easiest way to get around that is to charge up rebellion gauge whenever you can. Arsene adds bigger hit boxes, a spike, an extra hit on most moves, more range on Eiha/Eigaon and a counter/projectile counter with Makarakarn and Tetrakarn. Use of the rebellion gauge is VITAL to jokers game, and it’s the difference between a good joker player and a great joker player.
@@zinkerzanker68 Oh, I know. I've looked into it. I've more or less made the personal decision that either because Joker would be too weak on his own with a balanced Arsene, or Arsene wouldn't feel satisfying enough with a stronger Joker and weaker Arsene, that Joker probably wasn't a good idea to put in Smash.
Ganondorf Main Here: How to properly cheat with Ganon is simple, just tech chase the ever living fuck out of em wit Side B and everything else at ur disposal... Picking Ganon IS the cheat move...
Great video, love the concept. I disagree with Ganondorf, though. His cheater move is definitely his NAir. His FSmash is only good in very particular situations and is too inconsistent to be very viable because of its slowness. His NAir comes out fast, is a multi hit, covers a large area, does a lot of damage (can kill), and keeps him relatively safe. There are some instances where you can actually hit someone who is behind you with NAir! lol It's his best move in my opinion a lot of players spam it online all the time for good reason
Me knowing the answers to every character I've ever mained before he even says them because if you main them you know what their cheater move(s) is/are
He forgot to mention that both Peach and Daisy has a chance of getting a Mr. Saturn which is effective against shield and especially Jigglypuff’s shield.
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megaman is officially not a real character fellas sorry
... if i had to come up with a moveset for him though i'd say crash bomber or leaf shield would theoretically be his cheater moves
Yeah leaf sheld
Brawler's is not suplex, its the cloud up b one. Kills at zero, incredible out of shield, kills at ledge, can be combo'd into
Definitely leaf shield
I feel so ashamed I forgot one of my old mains
Btw you forgot Master Hand
I find it hilarious as a link main that some people don’t realize that link standing still can just invalidate projectile everything.
I still catch people with that fact to this day.
I've found some Links who don't know they can just stand still against Pit's spamming arrow of all things and that makes me feel sad
@@somiennoyingness Honestly as good as Link's shield is, it's still kind of bad, as it's strictly only when he is standing, walking, or crouching. No in between frames have the shield when say getting up, and that's a good couple frames needed if you were to land and wish to block a projectile immediately.
I’ve been a link main since the game came out and most people still don’t know link standing still is the best anti projectile
*tink*
Pikachu: *His entire kit cheats.*
Me, a Pika Main since 64: I can't even deny this at this point, we just exist to infuriate others
That's why I consider pikachu (also kinda pichu) the forbidden characters.
Also me: one of my mains is ness, which I think I heard was the banned character 😂
Thank you for being honest, you are the only pikachu player I respect
Pikachu in 64: Up-B
Pikachu in Melee: Bair
Pikachu in Brawl: Up-B
Pikachu in Sm4sh: Bair
Pikachu in Ultimate: Bair
Up-B and Bair, the 2 things that make no sense. (Bair cuz pancake duh)
@@alolanraichu3937 there's also nair
Pika’s melee bair isn’t good. Uair is the most important part of his kit IMO
This is basically a “Tcnicks which move sucks the most to be hit by and makes me want to die compilation”
He forgot Megaman
@@da_kracken8879 oh damn did he really?
Hey i know you
@@da_kracken8879 whos that
@@tortillachip4201 you do??
Nick: "we're not counting mechanics"
Also nick: *includes luma and lucario aura*
Well, someone had to do it:
0:52 Mario
1:13 DK
1:28 Link
1:36 Samus/Dark Samus
1:49 Yoshi
1:53 Kirby
2:11 Fox
2:24 Pikachu
2:31 Luigi
2:41 Ness
2:56 Captain Falcon
3:10 Jigglypuff
3:26 Peach
3:41 Bowser
3:53 Ice Climbers
4:07 Shiek
4:15 Zelda
4:31 Doctor Mario
4:39 Pichu
4:57 Falco
5:03 Marth/Girl Marth
5:13 Young Link
5:32 Ganondorf
5:43 Mewtwo
5:56 Red Marth
6:11 Dad Marth
6:19 Game and Watch
6:35 Metaknight
6:42 Pit
6:54 Pit but edgy
7:08 Zero-Suit Samus
7:12 Wario
7:17 SNAAAAAAAAAAKE
7:39 Muscle Marth
7:53 Pokémon Trainer
8:22 Diddy Kong
8:29 Lucas
8:34 Sonic
8:46 Dedede
9:01 Olimar
9:14 Lucario
9:18 ROB
9:34 Toon Link
9:42 Wolf
9:48 Villager
9:59 Wii Fit Trainer
10:03 Rosalina
10:07 Little Mac
10:12 Greninja
10:18 Palutena
10:27 Pac-Man
10:39 Magic Marth
10:48 I’M REALLY FEELING IT
10:56 Bowser Junior
11:07 Duck hunt
11:16 Ryu/Ken
11:32 Cloud
11:39 Dragon Marth
11:57 Bayonetta
12:07 Inkling
12:14 Ridley
12:25 Simon/Richter
12:34 K. Rool
12:39 That fucking dog
12:52 Incineroar
13:04 Piranha Plant
13:11 Joker
13:24 Hero
13:41 Banjo-Kazooie
13:52 Terry
14:01 Teacher Marth
14:10 Minmin
14:16 Steve
14:26 Sephiroth
15:27 Mii Gunner
15:41 Mii Brawler
15:52 Mii Swordfighter
Bless you
Marth Emblem, the game
forgot spiderman
You are a godsend
You are a legend x)
thx
“The Kirby mains say it’s bad but I think that’s just propaganda to make us think kirby isn’t secretly busted”
Shit he’s on to us
HIDE
My mains are g&w and snake, guess I’m an absolute cheater
RETREAT TO...uh...idk pichu or something
Every time I here a Kirby man say it’s bad a play Kirby and kill them with a f smash comb at 40
@@cameronkirkpatrick1310 I picked them up randomly for fun, theyre so easy to play I was like bruh. It's like brain dead stuff with both at many % My 4yo niece could pick em up and win a tournament
fun fact: squirtle side b goes through some final smashes, one example being link
Ribbit
I read that as "square" though you were talking about Minecraft Steve lol
13:51 nice power geyser
@@DrizzyEddie thanks man, that actually is me!
@@WillytheTerryMain i was waiting for terry’s cheater move and I see Willy lmao
For the DLC not present in the video:
Dair for Pyra, enormous spike hitbox and a Kill confirm at 80% if you upsmash after
Nair or bair for Mythra: both incredible combo starters with almost no endlag
Electric fist for Kazuya: so much reward for a quick option if you know how to combo
UpB for Sora: since even if you miss you are safe because of side B
I would say Sora Nair because of all these combo and loop things
Careful, hes a hero
Nah, for Pyra is side smash, this sh*t kills in like 2 or 3 hits
🤓☝ "ehhm It´s actually Electric WIND GOD fist not just Electric fist"
Nah kazuya is a cheat in its self
"we shouldn't count float as a move"
*a few minutes later*
"Luma's presence is a cheater move"
Diddy Kong's banana ream, down ream, etc. are summarized on the youtube channel! Please see if you like! !
@@スマブラおつまみチャンネル ok
12:33 I highly disagree. K. Rool's down smash is one of the most mechanically difficult moves to pull off in this game. Landing this move 100% means you outplayed your opponent with your superior IQ.
Agreed, only the most skilled use it.
Almost as hard to use as zelda final smash or palutena nair. Ive never gotten a true crit input with these moves once in my life
As a K. Rool main I can confirm this
Living up to the username I see
I'd say it's forward tilt
"Ganon doesn't really have a cheater move"
His up-smash that makes platforms a death trap, kills at 50, and has the same range as the doriyah sword but hits on both sides:
What about that down A? (Or side? Idk which) I call it the The Knee of Death
I thinks its his side b or b or that one punch move
Thing is if you win as gannon it's either because you had the blessing of the hype god, or because your opponent was playing stupid
also, side b. side b
it literally downs your opponent for so long that it combos well into down smash
as a ganon main, i can confirm his upsmash is busted too
Dash attack is also pretty good. Kills, combos, and a pretty burst option
Anyone else feel like Ness’s cheat move would be his side special? You can rack up so much damage with it.
Pk fire racks up a lot of percent, but you don't need percent when you can just gimp people with dsmash
*Pk fire intensifies*
specifically emotional damage when the opponent has to listen to that stupid PK FIRE over and over again
Ness is a menace straight up
Not even going to mention you can kill with a follow-up back throw?
“Ram ram alone is better than ganon”
The Doriyah would like to have a talk with you.
Diddy Kong's banana ream, down ream, etc. are summarized on the youtube channel! Please see if you like! !
Megawatt is basically Doriyah with more than twice the range
Those are some brave words for someone in DORIYAH distance
@@enochfeng3233 those are some brave words for someone in dragon distance
@@lordtoomas those are somme brave words for someone in gigaflare distance
*"it does like,20 damage"*
*Proceeds to do 150%*
Timestamp: 9:07 (I know that there would be people to ask for it. Also that fact that he went from 0% to 152.2% is disgusting. I hate Olimar and Alph so much.)
@@PikaSwamps Just adapt
@@josephjoestar5221 How do you adapt to an MU that’s almost nonexistent?
Welp...in pikmin if creatures at them they would take a ton of damage so they are pretty busted anyways....
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu Hit them or reflect them if you're playing as a character who has a reflector.
"Float doesn't count, it's a mechanic"
* proceeds to include luma *
69 likes LOL
@Gustavo Vasconcelos it’s hard to argue with your assessment
@Gustavo Vasconcelos she's a puppet fighter. That is literally a mechanic, especially if being a shoto is a mechanic. Given most can special-cancel
@Gustavo Vasconcelos you can literally only do specials, jab and smash attacks with extended hit boxes bc of Luma. Luma is the "puppet" in rosa's puppetfighter. Besides, Duck Hunt Duo is the exact same case. You select both on the screen but only really ever do things with both every so often
Lets not forget lucario
As someone who recently picked up Roy, I often find myself surprised how early side b's final hit kills. It definitely feels the most unfair to use.
Roy in general kills surprisingly early.
The way you transitioned so casually to Spiderman killed me lmao
Diddy Kong's banana ream, down ream, etc. are summarized on the youtube channel! Please see if you like! !
He went from Spider-Man to Dr. Eggman to Aigis like he knew the future.
Unfortunately one of those predictions are wrong
@@tripleaaabattery8480 Aigis was hilarious not because I have any clue who that is, but because a sword with a name one letter away from it was added soon after this video and it's just
Today I have discovered that Link’s neutral air is free
Same lol
"Every character's biggest cheater move"
Mega Man: **cries in the corner**
man included random and his guesses for dlc and forgot miis and then put them in later and still forgot mega man
We all know it’s leaf shield anyway
Ethier leaf sheild or up air
@@KingKb1212 not anymore. A lot of the mega man mains complain that it doesnt connect consistently. Crash bomb also sometimes just shits the floor and the last launching explosion doesnt connect
Leaf Shield sometimes just doesn't protect you (even when someone is caught in it) and you ended up getting attacked
For Incineroar, I think it's side b. Does 25% and acts like a grab. Sends you flyin' horizontally and is so quick.
Or 75% with revenge
For Peach: “Float is a mechanic so I’m not gonna count it.”
For Lucario: “This is literally cheater the character. Every move cheats when he has aura.”
they're both cheater characters. idk why he's limping for peach the
he didnt say aura (the passive) was the cheat, the moves (when enhanced BY aura) is the cheater move(s)
*simp*
@@piperburgers Yeah, I saw the list and everything, I just thought it was funny that all of the moves were considered cheater moves BECAUSE of the passive.
But he also said that Diddy Kong's down b is cheap because it gives items, and that items are not allowed in competitive. But you can get bomb-ombs as Peach
I can’t believe you forgot shirtless shulk. Whole different character
Isn't shirtless Sephiroth also a different character? Idk I don't have DLC
Both of them are two different characters. As a shirtless shulk main, I can confirm that just playing as shirtless shulk makes the opponent so infatuated with you that's it cheating so there you go. Only downside is that you as the player also become infatuated. Idk bout sephiroth tho, will have to test that later.
@@bruhtopic As a Sephiroth main, I always end up playing worse while playing shirtless Seph.....don't know if that helps but maybe it proves your point.
Shinji Hirako is Best Boi Hmmmm, we might be on to something. According to my calculations,
Shulk and Sephiroth are fucking ripped.
Well he forgot mega man and other shirtless characters so…
All I hear when I’m going against a Ness main is “PK FIRE PK FIRE PK FIRE” and the game is over
Being a ness main I understand o so my best trying not to spam so.....
@@xero4755 i actually find it fun playing ness
That's why he's my least favourite character to play against, no hate to Ness mains though, he's an awesome character.
Nice rhyme
Ikr
Me on every other character: omg so true, that character is busted
Me when he gets to my main: idk man maybe it's a skill issue
Bowser is the most honest heavy and everyone is wrong. I hate the blatant propaganda that Bowser is bad or Bowser is broken, he has some the most endlag in the game. If you lose to Bowser it means youre bad and this is an objective fact and not at all bias.
If Sakurai actually put himself in the game as the final DLC as his farewell to smash I would buy it instantly.
wait farewell?
He deserves it
@@mochaman29 He's said multiple times that this may be his last game
@@TheGoatOfAll oh damn, I just got into the ssb community a year ago so I didn't know thanks for confirming
i would
"Ness' cheater move is Up-B at ledge."
PK Fire:
it was up smash
and as a ness main both are contenders
@@rayanrizwan9611 oh wait i forgot this was cheater moves not most annoying bane of my existence moves
@@AcediaLazarus LOL
technically down smash too as its also the yoyo just not as good
@@miralavenzia actually down smash is waaaaaaaaaaay better than up smash at ledge because it hangs on to the ledge better than up smash
its just harder to pull off which is why you don't see it as much
if pulled off tho it can destroy almost half the recoveries in this game
only a ness main would know what im talking about lol
For Ganon, definitely nair. It's active for long enough to get a degree in the meantime, it deals about 20 in total, it's an amazing ledge guarding tool, and it has virtually no endlag.
also the best killing nair in the game
Also the nair which you can most consistently hit...only the first hit
Nah it's Jab
It's definitely up air.
Ganondorf main here, and yes, it does cheat. Doriyah is good and all, but nair cheats even more.
Imagine saying a move "kills" when the CPU is Jigglypuff at 100%
found one of the seven and a half corrin mains
@@user-zy2ts8kn7c I don't main Corrin
Ganon’s dair has hit me with I was behind him next to his neck!
What
How
The game disagrees
@Travis Scotch lmaoo same
What is that grammer?
@@qgdm6426 imagine making fun of someone’s “grammer” and proceed to misspell grammar.
Im honestly surprised inklings "cheater move" wasnt roller
True
I'd say Up b cause its kinda like DDD up b
@@oceanbreeze7719 I mean DDD’s up B can actually be an attack, for inkling it’s more of a recovery move because they don’t have another move like that
@@landen4901 I'm just saying it bc its hard to punish bc of that splash landing.
@@oceanbreeze7719 trueeeee
8:37 Spindash isnt his most cheater move, its his forward smash because it can block any attack, UR2SLOW made 2 videos about sonics forward smash and how op it is.
F Smash is stupid but its in the shadow of a much more infamous move that everyone spams at the ledge and cancels into any aerial, and did I metion its PLUS 11 ON SHIELD?!!!
This guys biggest cheater move is his ability to make me laugh
The most “cheater” moves for the fighting game characters is auto turnaround, hands down
People way over rate it, if you just react almost all it's functions can just be done by human input. As a shoto main, dtilt and focus cheat WAY more.
@@lockevalentine997 I do agree with that point, although most of the higher skilled Shoto mains I’ve talked to have said auto turnaround makes or breaks the shotos defensive game, but this comment is more or less for a specific audience 😉
Ken: yes ryu: yes terry: yes kazuya: yes
@@lockevalentine997 you don't realize how often you roll behind someone right before they attack and are able to punish them for missing. The turn around mechanic is definitely broken.
"float is a mechanic so i'm not gonna count that"
i mean, i guess he counted cargo throw and luma, just saying it's a little inconsistent with what is/isn't a mechanic according to nick
Someone clearly hasn't fought a Mewtwo that knows how to consistently land disable without cheesy setups
Nah I’d say confusion could be the cheater move. Reflect, command grab, combos, air stalling, kill confirms, the lot
@@phatcat-st4gb i’m a mewtwo main, was gonna say this also. disable is good but i honestly think mewtwo would drop at least a tier or two if he didn’t have confusion, it’s so good lmao
That sounds awesome! I haven’t fought that either but now I want to.
Yeah, right? People don't understand this kind of power.
There aren’t consistent ways to land disable without a read. Footstool disable doesn’t work anymore, so the best setups we have are generally dthrow and other moves that we can force people to tech on platforms with
“Fox doesn’t have any broken moves”
Melee Fox: You fool, every move I have is a cheater move
Waluigi's down air/tilt is so toxic, even if he's an assist trophy
K
Agreed
What about his UAir? It's an UAir that has a huge ass hitbox and SPIKES!
@@TheTrueBrawler isn't this on super smash flash 2 ?
Waluigi is my favorite anime sword character in smash, his nuke is too good though along with his insane time warp mechanics not to mention that his nair is palutena's except instead of being just a palutena Nair, it has the range of ike Nair and pulls you in
“unethical water physics”
As a Ridley main, I thought he was gonna call out the torcher we inflict on people with plasma breath at ledge. It doesn't always work, but when it does it's just hours of pressing and holding b and watching them drown in it
Yeah, the moment someone’s off the ledge, Neutral B go brrrrr
or side b when it drags you to the ledge and kills at like 60 and you all mash jab out of it and it just works AND you can use it to recover AND it works in the air
@@maratby4364 side B is great, never had it kill at 60 lowest I've seen is 90 standard is 120, but I wouldn't call it broken just because there's a lot of simple counterplay options, that make using it dangerous
@@alexlee9385 similarly, neutral B takes time to charge and won't hit you if you are going low, and while charging ridley can take more damage in the mouth area, the difference being you can reflect it
Either you mean torture, or that was an amazing fire breath pun
You say there's nothing for Simon but you forget that his axe can just... phase through the stage. Like a ghost
Let’s not forget about Incineroar’s revenge that will double the damage and gives him five critical attacks.
Thats a mechanic
@@gallitoz2273 a mechanic based off of a single move.
Yep
I'm an incineroar main and i'm genuinely offended he didn't pick either side B or down B, cause oh yeah a move that's invul for a few frames and leaves him wide open afterwards is cheating and yet the move that does 25 percent for no reason, has a bit of armor, kills extremely early, and has usability in any situation is perfectly fine, also add that in with down B being a frame 3 to 27 counter and revenge side B means easily 40 percent or more off nothing
@@Aisoreta i hate incenaror and anyone that plays him because of those two moves
Ridley: Nooo you can't just edge guard my up b
Steve: Ha ha block go brrrrr
Anyone with a counter: it’s free real estate
Minmin: *Ram arm engaged*
When you realize this month is the start of *Funny Fair February*
i see you everywhere lol
FFF
How about Just Jab January, Forget Fair February and Must Mash March ?
@@Will-lh4lh I like these ideas
“Sonic’s most cheater move has to be Spindash.”
Sonic F-Smash menacingly watching in the corner.
F Smash is crazy but its honest compared to the most obvious move, the one every Sonic main spams at the ledge and is PLUS 11 ON SHIELD and cancels into every aerial
"Fox is pretty honest" has been the funniest thing I've heard all day
Shoulda been up tilt
@@michaelcross7665 Nerfed from Smash 4. I honestly I'm inclined to say dash attack since it can combo into almost everything for free.
Nick: “why does this move do 30 damage, it’s a jab!”
Kazuya: “allow me to introduce myself-“
Not to mention the reflector :/
just sdi lo
The full combo does over 40%
2 things. First up, yes, SDI the 4th hit. Your best chance out of it.
Second, 3:46 is actually not true about Bowser side b killing earlier is actually a myth. With the right DI, it only kills 5% earlier. It's earlier, yes, but not enough to make it a difference
Kazuya: "allow me to introduce myself"
(Promptly get three stocked by an inkling because of bad match up for Kazuya)
(At least I have an easy time killing Kazuya as an inkling main, his attacks are slow and command grabable and inklings sprint can low profile under his beam attack)
15:24
Thanks man, thanks for not forgetting the 7 people that main the miis.
Is there mega man?
I like how mewtwo’s “cheater move” is his “fair”
12:00 LOL! Funny how a month later, Sakurai releases a character with a better witch time.
What character are you talking about
@@Super-jk2kz mythra
@@nsgarci8047 Foresight.
Mythra is basically cheating, the character.
Nick: “Float isn’t a mechanic so I’m not gonna count that”
Also Nick “for dk it’s cargo throw”
that’s forward throw my guy
@@user-zy2ts8kn7c cargo throw sounds better
Throws are a move
Its literally called cargo throw
Mechanic is like a passive ability
It’s forward throw
Also Nick: "This is literally cheater THE MECHANIC."
Ryu heavy f-tilt is cheater move. It almost breaks full shield and isn’t even that slow. It also goes through counters.
It goes through COUNTERS? WHAT?
Oh thank fucking god most Smash players are scared of touching the shotos, that sounds abysmal to deal with.
Not really
If you do jab up b, he can go through counter when I clipped that
@@TheTrueBrawler
Actually he can also just cancel into shoryuken to beat counters, too. So countering can kill you
But it can easily be rolled awaw from
Nick: NO ITEMS ARENT ALOUD IN COMPETITIVE SMASH diddy kong mains: Haha banana go brrr
No one's talking about the Mass destruction joke...
BABYBABYBABYBABY
The second I saw this comment, the joke happened lmao
@Caleb Kim I-
No one is talking about the persona music in general.
@@elraidlocke7955 persona music is so awesome
Sakurais solution to a few broken characters was give every character a broken move. Nice. Awesome game design
My friend gets so pissed when I tell him how smash literally is so broken it can't be competitive. "But there's a whole community that disagrees with you so guess ur wrong"
"Half the characters in that game have rng mechanics in their kits and to even play "competitively" you have to disable over half the features of the game such as items, map elements, and even just some whole ass maps. Sure totally balanced and sound game design totally not an absolute joke of a fighting game whatever you say cpt falcon, Pikachu, and snake main."
It worked with Guilty Gear
If you want a cheating Ganondorf move, his nair does 23%, kills the best out of any nair in the game, can be comboed into, is active for super long and has some *insane* disjoint. That move can contest like half the game mid air and makes recovering somewhere where Ganondorf can reach you quite difficult, unless you have an insane recovery.
"somewhere ganon can reach you"
okay so basically nowhere since his recovery is terrible
Thank God I main the Dreamland trio
@@maratby4364 Ganondorf can go decently deep actually, the issue with his recovery is primarily horizontal recovering and how linear it id but for edgeguards it's pretty passable. Also getting past a well timed Ganondorf drop down nair is bordering on impossible for some characters.
@@k-hut9344 exactly. Do this to my friend all the time. He can edge guard. The issue with it is hitting shorter characters in neutral.
Edgeguarding is actually one of the things Ganon can do decently well.
As a Shiek main, I'd say either needles or side B. At higher percentages, needles can set you up for a free k.o and they're fast, and side B can just nullify some recoverys with the windbox. (You can also set up side be onto the stage, grab ledge, then have a covered get up option)
Or up b. Like it's so invincible you can't edgeguard it at all. And if you try you might just die
I read this as Shrek
Shiek is designed to be honest but I definitely say f tilt as it check mates all heavies and people with poor oos options
"Ridley is unedgeguardable !"
Counters : allow us to introduce ourselves
I should check up when this meme template became a thing, I feel I've been seeing it far too long at this point
*cries in Ridley main* it’s stupidly easy to ledge guard him since he has at most 2-3 recovery options depending on how far he was sent
@@cosmiclikesminecraft lol ikr? As a ridley main myself I don't get why people seem to think his recovery is really good.
@@michaelcross7665 they only evaluate the distance, not the speed or versatility.
@@michaelcross7665 Up b isn’t even the most broken move. I main Ridley and ive cheesed so many people online with side b on the edge of the ledge and drop em off the stage. If you neutral air after you let go odds are it hits mid recovery and you still have a jump and recovery.
Me: Hits a fair 1 into knee with Falcon
TC: NO you mean fair 1 into big cheater move
U mean Nair ?
@@casual_ssb3282 Fair has 2 hits you didn't know that?
@@imrandomdud Oh tru I forgot weak hit into strong hit that’s how the move works right?
@@casual_ssb3282 Yeah you missed it in Nicks "if falcon was released today vid"
@Ali Al Shouli softspot into sweetspot
Donkey Kong’s cheater move is just anything... any of his moves makes me want to ragequit
IKR?!
Uhh have you heard of side b it is the worst move in the game (apart from maybe cyclone)
Side B- the "I want kill" button
Of all characters, DK?
More than Link, G&W, Cloud, etc.?
I despise DK because of this game
Came here for Roy and Pyra and Mythra but they’re not out yet
And sometimes gives you a fuxking bomb for additional mass destruction *INTENSE PERSONA 3 NOISES*
He forgot to mention that Mr. Saturn absolutely demolishes shields.
@@Salone_FD BRUUUUUH I FORGOT ABOUT THAT
Thank you for reinforcing that anyone who plays Mega Man doesn’t cheat. 🙂
Ikr :)
Uhh, back air and fair. They gave a zoner two of the fastest aerials in the game, and one of them is a strong kill love that is a lingering multihit.
@@lockevalentine997 you know bair kills before fair right?
Upair
They dont cheat, but megaman mains dont have friends
"Ness's biggest cheater move is down smash off ledge."
Me: OK fair enough-
PK Fire: HELO.
Honestly, ness has a lot of “cheater moves”
Fair can combo into itself a ton if you’re good enough
Pk fire is self explanatory
Pk thunder is great at juggling and pk t2 kills at around 40 if you can trick someone
Down/up smash are free ledge traps
Pk flash can be a great ledge guard against characters with slow predictable recoverys
F-tilt kills WAY earlier than most people expect
And down-b is almost a predecessor to melee fox shine, plus its a nightmare for characters like snake with lots of energy projectiles
“Arrrghh, that stupid Star!!!” - Opponents of Rosalina & Luma
As a Rosa a main, I hear this all the time and 8 years in, it still never fails to put a smile on my face. XD
As a Ridley main it's DEFINITELY neutral b. Free gimp on some characters with literally zero commitment. Just run to ledge and press the b button and some characters just die
And ridiculous damage that allows you to noun up and dash attack, grab, etc
Fun fact: incineroar can kill you using a single cross chop at 0%
If you got revenge
@@tinodaperson7174 nope, you just get spiked diagonaly under the stage
I'm currently trying to process the idea of Spiderman in smash and my brain can not comprehend the magnificence
Yeah as an Ike main that move definitely is broken. I’ve mastered how to do it at the edge and be able to grab it while the opponent flys down the abyss.
"Why this man got a whole ass banana" he says while he's holding a banana peel
He said banana peel
@@briangeer1024 oh yeah shit I'm deaf..
12:00 oh dear god Palu with witch time. Imagine the amount of nairs she could do.
Dont do that... Dont give me despair
I like playing as bayonetta so fun slowing people and f smash them or into a combo
Yo allredy know manado arts are gonna be hear
Jesus
Nick I know im dislexic
@@TCNick3 damn you fucking got him nick
oh i'm sorry, that was rude of me, i'll delete the comment
@@TCNick3 no worries
Sakurai most busted move is DEFINITELY down b “Nerf”. It makes not only your attacks do 1 percent, but also makes you easier to launch
Sh_t: **censored**
F_ck: **not censored**
Video: **monetized**
*Wait. That’s illegal.*
ah yes, Zelda's cheater move. her stand
Pikachu as a whole is a cheating move and he has indeed proven it
Pikachu busted
Don't know why they thought buffing an already absurdly annoying character in 4 was a good idea.
I hate pikachu players
i hate pikachu in smash and in pokemon
@@FoxMcCloud3173 You say that as if there are a bunch of em lol, who besides Esam has even remotely shaken things up in a tournaments
As a Chrom player, I think his jab deserves an honorable mention. It does a decent amount of damage no matter what part of the sword you hit with, and combos into several kill moves. All I need to do to edge guard is stand slightly away from ledge, jab, and get ready to back air.
I think Lucario's actual cheater move since aura is a mechanic is actually down B. It has its own damage and knock back so it doesn't care how powerful the move you used was, it can teleport so projectiles aren't even safe on it and you can actually change the direction you attack from if you want.
Also its a top 5 counter in Smash
this is the first time ive seen your content and i love the kaneshiros palace in the background and all the persona jokes i love you jesus christ
I think snake's biggest cheater move is down B, for 2 reasons. 1, it is a command bomb, like links. 2, it can be used to recover infinetly. Also, fox up tilt for some reason combo's into itself 7 times, which is pretty unfair.
Exactly
But Steve is the biggest cheater
I love how all Links are 90% echo fighters of one another, the children are up B, but BotW:
I’m 90 levels ahead of you. I activated collision overload, but since it’s not from your world, I can still hit you!
OMG BRO AEGIS IN SMASH I DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT I’D LITERALLY CRY
BABYBABYBABYBABYBABY
@@RF-Ataraxia YEEAAAAAAAAAH
what about my boy MAKOTO? oh wait
Ken mains when they hear shoryuken is cheater:
*”Just learn the matchup, kid.”*
It's the easiest kill move he has.
@@DatNarutoFan yeah but this is a joke
Dont tell them you can DI so you survive at like 160
@John Martinez di to the right upper corner (when ken is facing right). This only really applies to middle weight characters, but shroyken has trouble killing when it is stale so of you survive the freshness knockback (which drastically affects the power of shoryuken) it has trouble killing.
I'm curious, why do some people often use the term "kid" as an insult?
the fact that I legit didnt notice the miis were gone till he pulled a fast one on us is really funny to me
Terry jab is the fundamental building block of his game plan, crackshoot doesn't even compare.
The entirety of arsene
Dude I started playing Joker to get a hang of it...I hate it. The biggest argument Joker manes have is he has no kill potential without Arsene. And as a Sonic main, they have about the same kill power, and Arsene just amplifies it.
@@zichithefox4781 I mean it’s significantly harder to kill without arsene, but it’s still doable. The easiest way to get around that is to charge up rebellion gauge whenever you can. Arsene adds bigger hit boxes, a spike, an extra hit on most moves, more range on Eiha/Eigaon and a counter/projectile counter with Makarakarn and Tetrakarn. Use of the rebellion gauge is VITAL to jokers game, and it’s the difference between a good joker player and a great joker player.
@@zinkerzanker68 Oh, I know. I've looked into it. I've more or less made the personal decision that either because Joker would be too weak on his own with a balanced Arsene, or Arsene wouldn't feel satisfying enough with a stronger Joker and weaker Arsene, that Joker probably wasn't a good idea to put in Smash.
@@zichithefox4781 maybe not the best idea, but I’m glad he’s here nevertheless
@@crowmagnon It is cool. That I can acknowledge.
If LowTierGod made a tier list on what characters are "Cheesy"
LTG hates Incineroar's side-b more
Ganondorf Main Here:
How to properly cheat with Ganon is simple, just tech chase the ever living fuck out of em wit Side B and everything else at ur disposal... Picking Ganon IS the cheat move...
Until your opponent is a yellow rat
n-air 1 into grab into sh n-air, down-b ledge cancel up-air, up-b/return back to monke and tipman up-air back-air
*just tech chase*
disrespecting 101
@@Creepo_J hey... I said cheat not *OBLITERATE*
Cheat move to losing 90% of your matches.
3:39 YOURE THE ONLY ONE, ONE LOVE, ONE WORLD BUT THE BATTLE GOES ON SHADOWS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
fun fact: you can’t mash out of bowser’s side b, no matter how hard you try.
U can if u are going off stage
@@LODphantom You still cant mash out of it. You can di it though
And why would you try to mash out when everyone can just projectile spam and use +1 million on shield attacks so Bowser never can use it.
Great video, love the concept. I disagree with Ganondorf, though. His cheater move is definitely his NAir. His FSmash is only good in very particular situations and is too inconsistent to be very viable because of its slowness. His NAir comes out fast, is a multi hit, covers a large area, does a lot of damage (can kill), and keeps him relatively safe. There are some instances where you can actually hit someone who is behind you with NAir! lol It's his best move in my opinion a lot of players spam it online all the time for good reason
Side b? I’ve 0 - 160d people before with that move
Like he said in the video, it’s not about how good it is, but how much you can rob people with it
Nair isn't dat good because, if you short hop Nair it will never hit
That boot murders.
Me knowing the answers to every character I've ever mained before he even says them because if you main them you know what their cheater move(s) is/are
I love kirbys block move. It can take killing hits and if you have special on, it survives some of them with little damage
Most underrated down b
I'm that Mii main you made happy.
Fun fact: as toon or young link while holding a bomb can actually use TWO up b’s consecutively
Technically link can too because his bomb explodes after 30 seconds
Technically after the bomb I think you can pick up another one and still up b
He forgot to mention that both Peach and Daisy has a chance of getting a Mr. Saturn which is effective against shield and especially Jigglypuff’s shield.
Haha bubble goes pop
Too bad you almost never see it
"If everyone's a cheater...
No one is..."
“I’m gonna guess the new characters coming soon, so spiderma-“
I'll happily continue watching any video where you compare the entire cast on any metric
Sans Megaman, gotta upkeep tradition
Steve is the only character that can hit you with his car at any time.
Time stamps
Mario: 0:51
Donkey Kong: 1:12
Samus/Dark Samus: 1:36
Yoshi: 1:48
Kirby: 1:52
Fox: 2:11
Pikachu: 2:25
Luigi: 2:30
Ness: 2:41
Falcon: 2:56
Puff: 3:10
Peach / Daisy: 3:26
Bowser: 3:40
Ice Climbers: 3:52
Shiek: none
Zelda: 4:16
Doctor Mario: 4:30
Pichu: 4:39
Falco: 4:57
Marth / Lucina
Roy: 5:55
Chrom: 6:11
Mr Game&Watch: 6:19
Meta Knight: 6:35
Pit: 6:44
Dark Pit: 6:54
Zero Suit Samus: 7:08
Wario: 7:12
Snake: 7:17
Ike: 7:39
Pokemon Trainer: 7:59
Diddy Kong: 8:22
Lucas: 8:29
Sonic: 8:34
King Dedede: 8:46
Olimar: 9:01
Lucario: 9:14
R.O.B: 9:18
Toon Link: 9:34
Wolf: 9:42
Villager: 9:48
Wii-Fit Trainer: 9:59
Rosalina & Luma: 10:02
Sorry bro it’s already been done