Tinck Arms Perun X16: A Contender To Take The AR-15 Crown?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- With thanks to Tinck Arms, Lynx Pro Tactical Training Center in Slovenia and @PolenarTactical we got to take a look at the new Perun X16 in .223 Rem. It's rather an interesting design, intended for suppressor use, and it shoots really, really flat - a contender to take the crown from the AR15?
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A rifle made from 80% off-the-shelf AR15/SCAR parts, 20% original bits, and 100% gun-nerd genius! Also. "Giblets". A welcome return for a vital technical term deplorably neglected by GunTubers. KUTGW
Gun giblets - what a great phrase 🙂
And its operating system is basically the Tavor’s. It’s literally a debullpuped Tavor.
Nice review! You and Ian complement nicely. Thanks for explaining how the steel rail benefits this rifle. I wondered about that as compared with AR receivers.
That BCG still makes me think Tavor--which I bought yesterday...
Thanks Mike, it seems like this could find a niche in the US market among those of us that are interested in a "modern sporting rifle" but don't want to settle into the common place AR or AK camps. Yet it is AR like enough to take advantage of a portion of the existing aftermarket. I think that if it can come in at the midpoint of the AR price range it could be successful. Unfortunately I live in a fairly restrictive state where it's unlikely to even have a chance to come in at all. I'm keeping my eye on that straight pull bolt action model you featured recently as my best option.
Interesting gas system, reminds me of an old Magpul patent for a similar system(gas tappet and tiny gas tube on the trunnion with a AR-15 style gas tube bringing gas to it). I prefer this one since in this design you can access the piston for cleaning much more easily.
Very good overview.
if the SCAR, Masada/ACR, Robinson x15, Colt cm901, CZ bren, and MCx havent supplanted it...i doubt that this will unless its under $1250 usd...good option for sure but too many similar platforms do all the same it seems tbh
I remember Polenar Tactical making a vid about a test of this gun upper and a prited 3d lower. The printed part never broke as there is no force applied to it when shooting contrary to the ar15 bufer tube holder that often breaks when printed. I think this will sell very well in the US. I hope so anyway.....
The way they made something innovative that still utilizes readily available components is genius bolts and barrels are probably the most difficult parts of a firearm to manufacture properly. The small parts for the lower can be surprisingly difficult to manufacture if you are trying to set up new production so taking advantage of the massive existing supply chain for the AR-15 was a fantastic idea.
It would be very interesting if Slovenia ever decided to replace the F2000S and the Perun managed to win the solicitation.
I like Slovenia, I like this rifle.
Came over from Forgotten Weapons, enjoy your take alongside Ian’s. Thanks!
I'm from Slovenia and I didn't know this very nice rifle was available here. It's a good thing I'm subscribed to your channel...
:)
The upper forming an outrigger you simply hang a hand gaurd off is a very simple solution. I can see that being copied for ARs as it removes the bridging problem without making it awkward to access the barrel or gas system - one of the objections to monolithic uppers being the inability to change barrels.
I see you got ungraded footage from the polenar guys as well😅
Taking the AR-15 Crown?
***reacts shocked in American***
That looks really nice. It would be even better if it had the 1913 rail interface for stocks.
Would be pretty easy to make an adapter that slides into the same dovetail
Actually, for the US market, the Perun does come with a 1913 backplate by default.
@@aeaarms2973 is this available on the US market?
@@maverickpaladin4155 Yes. AEA Arms
New operating system, Indirect Gas Tapit? Any other ideas?
Thanks Ian mikey and of course chappie
6.5 Grendel, eh? Man pity the WWSD isn't offered in that, make a LOVELY all purpose (including hunting) rifle. Hmmmm... might have to play around.
Why not have an extra upper for your WWSD?
One reason it seems to recoil straight back, perhaps more than an AR, could be because the tip (top) of the stock is about 30 to 40 mm higher than with an AR, in relation to the barrel.
I would like to see a vid series on everything to do once you get home from the range, like cleaning, maintenance, storage etc.
Only so you can call it de-ranged.
As long as they aren't trying to all SCAR money, it'll probably be a success. It looks like a unique, but simple, design.
Bloke: "Suppressors are completely unregulated in Slovenia...Switzerland, get with the program."
Americans dealing with NFA bullshit: "Am I a joke to you?"
An interesting take for sure, cant wait to see if you and the chap can put this through its paces in a match
Compared to the wwsd rifle (besides the weight), what is the difference?
It's kinda best-of-both-worlds, bit of AR, bit of SCAR, and the recoil impulse from the moving parts is very low cos there's not much mass moving. I'll likely be getting myself one in the fullness of time! (the long configuration)
Makes you wonder if a slightly thicker web Glass/Nylon lower could be moulded to hold the AR lower components and if it would take any weight off vs. a 7075-T6 Aluminum forging with the rear ring cut off.
wouldnt even need to be thicker...polymer AR lowers do fine everywhere minus the rear buffer section. So take a $40 tennesee arms or NFA lower and cut it for this and it should work and will be 5.1 oz or more lighter in the same config with a TN arms one
Since there is no force exerted on the lower, you can easily 3D print it at home :)
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It will not take the place of the AR here because you know it is going to be between $2K and $3K here and not everybody can afford that.
Crackingly well done, Bloke! You joined Chappie in 1080 res....
Perhaps the US could fund the purchase for Ukraine?
It looks aesthetically similar to the CZ Scorption Evo carbine (the longer 16-inch one).
What happened to the colour in the shooting segment? It looks so washed out.
Interesting and clever design, I could see myself getting one. If priced right, I can guess these are selling like cupcakes.
not for the $2k they're asking for, from AEA Arms.
I love it, almost kind of seems like a cross between the acr platform and the scorpion evo's profile
Would love to see a bullpup kit for it. It almost seems like ''they'' thought about a bullpup when they designed it.
How so?
The long picatinny on the top would be a great optics mount, can also be changed to have a better cheekweld.
The lower can easily be 3D printed to accept a bullpup trigger, as it not a structual component.
The charging handle is on top of the barrel, so it would be easy to reach in a bullpup configuration.
Also the receiver and buffersystem is so compact and short, that lenght of pull does not seem to be a problem.
The one hindering thing I can see is that theres a gasvent point infront of the rear gasblock, and it would not be lefty friendly.😋
Is anyone bringing this gun to the U.S.?
A solution for a problem that doesn’t exist. At $2,279 asking price here in the us is just a luxury exotic European gun.
Here in Europe it's a competitively-priced AR-15 alternative.
This truly feels like the evolution of AR-15. Just like AKs weren’t designed to have optics, ARs weren’t designed to have suppressors. X-16 solves the issue to a significant margin. Unlike AR it’s also extremely easy to field strip in field conditions.
Neat. Would be nice if the stock when folded did not interfere with ejection(looks like it would). Hopefully unlike the SCAR the rifle won't need SCAR rated optics.
In the shorter US models, the ACR style stock folds to the left, so it doesn't interfere.
I am a right handed shooter who has lost the use of my dominant eye, this means that I have to shoot rifles left handed (pistols only require a little readjustment to shoot right handed) but rifles are more difficult because (in most cases) the stock gets in the way. Have you any recomendations. I really don't like being hit in the face with hot casings. Semi-autos are a nightmare and with bolt action I find myself switching from left to right to reload. I have been shooting right handed for 50 years and it is a hard habit to break.
If you're in the US, there's a manufacturer who makes fully left-handed AR15's. Or a right-handed AR with ambidex controls and an A2-type receiver with case deflector.
@Rob Tucker let me know if you use bolt action rifles, I may have a brand of rifle stocks that allow you to position your head over the comb far enough to use your left eye while still being a right handed mode of use.
My BRN 180 is great least handed.
🤘😎🤘
What's the rifle at 0:17 called?
This looks like the BREN2
Cool rifle and informative video!
What trousers are those? They look like great and seem like they'd be nice for matches.
They're a custom pair of wool serge shorts made for me by this dude: www.paddelaters.com/
Wow, did you notice that it auto deployed the front backup sight! What a novel idea.
Look like the Polish FB MSBS grot or IMI Carmel
your ay the same spot as forgotten weapons an polenar tactical
What is the recommended lubricant?
That looks cool. Wonder if SAI will import it to the States?
Salty love.
Tavor is long stroke with ar tube.
Will these be sold in New Zealand as well?
Coolgun, gas system, bolt carrier, recoil spring, etc is clearly is copied from the Tavor rifles. It's like a Tavor and an AR15 had a baby
Tavor is an AR18 copy.
@@509Gman not really
I will stay with the king of the hill M4
If it is not vastly superior in either performance or price then I see no need for it.
Kinda like inventing a new butter knife...WHY?
I’d be better with 1913 interface for the stock and a better hand guard imo
According to AEA Arms it does have that for the US market.
Interesting
If it won't be sold for $1k or less, nothing will take the AR-15 crown
Correct, it won't because it's selling for $2k through AEA Arms. Pricey, but a neat rifle nonetheless.
It's not about taking the crown, but carving a nice niche.
@@humanbass I suppose they can have fun with their likely ACR/XCR/SCAR- level of market saturation. It's neato, but has virtually no up sides vs the AR.
Your sub-$1k garbage tier AR's in the US start at about $1400 here in Europe and go up from there...
@@BlokeontheRange your title says take the crown so I approached it with that angle. On price alone, the answer is "no". On capability the answer is no. For $1k here you can build one hell of a dependable rifle if you put it together yourself... it's not limited to PSA/Anderson. What y'all pay is a you problem, but again, you missed your own point... they're bringing it to America. So you missed everything and opted for a shitty attitude...not what I've come to expect from this channel. I never said it was a bad gun, but I'd be remiss if I now didn't point out that in one of the videos on this showed it malfunctioning... something something garbage tier...
Good video lads, and the X16 looks to have promise in the civilian market, but at the right price is the the question. Will it supplant the AR15, a very doubtful premise.
Nah, it won't supplant it, but it might present an alternative that can keep up!
Sorry, already left my salty comment elsewhere.
Is it a range toy, competition / sport rifle, or combat rifle? What's a comparable European AR model I can Google for the sake of comparison?
Oberland Arms, Schmeisser, Wyssen Defence, Luvo. Haenel etc etc etc
@@BlokeontheRange thank you. Just trying to do some research on this product...very cool operating system.
Why is everyone so excited for this thing? Besides a novelty factor, I really can't seem to see how it is better than a conventional piston design 🧐
New toys excite little boys, and I am one of them.
@@wrxs1781 , this I can understand 😄
Less reciprocating mass out front than classic piston systems, but without gas coming back when suppressed (like the AR-15).
@@alexandruianu8432 , I'm not sure about the exact models, but I clearly remember short-stroke piston designs with pretty thin, spring-loaded rod doing the pushing of the bolt carrier, with the rod itself moving less than an inch. I would imagine its contribution to the recoil could be rather small... I believe, the best way to justify the claim is to provide numbers after mounting the rifle in a spring-loaded vise and measuring the angle of whatever. And after taking that great big suppressor off the muzzle, which of course would make the rifle jump less 😎
You have long arms and broad shoulders? Who told you that mate?
His mum says...
Do you know how tall Mike actually is?
@@zoiders long arms I can see, the broad shoulders part that is iffy
But did you hope we enjoyed it?
_Did you hope we enjoyed it?_
Slovenia? I don't remember where that is located. Is Slovenia in Europe? :)
This is a perfectly fine and interesting video but given that you and Ian both knew you were doing a video and both told us to check out the other's video, there doesn't seem much difference in content between them that necessitates watching both videos.
I watched both to get the complete picture.
Almost 8 lbs and over 2000 dollars. Yea, you bet it’s going to replace the ar15 It and about 200 other gimmick guns that have come and gone.
Yea, I can’t see $2k being spent for me, $1200, MAYBE $1300 is the max I’d go. I’m not lefty, don’t mind felt recoil, live in a state where you can’t buy suppressors and and some care about a SCAR stock.
You won't get a new AR15 in Europe for that much cheaper, so might want to see how it takes off here for scale of production.
A garbage tier US-made AR in Europe is $1400+ (basically take US prices and double them). Euro-made ones tend to start at around $2k-ish. $1800 if you're lucky. If this prices alongside the latter when it's in full production, it becomes a very attractive prospect indeed.
@@BlokeontheRange While that's true, even if they corner the market in Europe, my understanding is that consumers in the US buy vastly more AR-15s than consumers in Europe, so it still wouldn't have "taken the AR-15s crown" would it?
Over designed- not a clean line onnit.
I think it's cool as hell if I wanted to change parts out like I do with an ar15 the non ar15 parts would be a pain in the ass though