Slovenian Modularity: Perun X16 "PDW" in .300 Blackout
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I was first introduced to the Tinck Arms Perun X16 at Lynx Brutality 2022 in Slovenia, and it is an interesting system emphasizing modularity and simple disassembly. I opted to use one (a 5.56mm carbine) at Lynx Brutality 2023 this year, and it ran perfectly for me. So I figured we should take a look at the version that is available in the US.
The US distributor is AEA Arms. and they offer both complete guns and also upper assemblies. For the complete guns, they adapt Kaiser USA polymer lowers (which is pretty easy). What I have today to look at is a "PDW" variant - a 7.5" barrel in .300 Blackout, with a Riflespeed adjustable gas block. Predictably, it also ran without any problems...
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Can't believe Perun went from slide presentations to folding rifles, truly an adaptable youtuber!
Adaptable and very modular!
Would have been funny if Ian would have run a slideshow on the side of the screen.
I can't believe he went from pagan god to be youtuber.
Slovenia named a rifle after our favorite defense economics TH-camr.
only real ones get this
Слава Кукечу!
All black power points and black rifles belong to us.
PerunPoint FTW!
My first thought when I heard about this rifle!
I like that a stealthy covert-ops gun is named after a slavic god of thunder :DD
@@WektakUuboflakYeah, but Disney has Loki copyrighted
Slovenes are Slavic after all.
Wait, why is this not an hour long power point presentation?
On defense economics, no less
@@ecthelion83And narrated by an Australian.
Definitely a rifle fit for the Emutopian military
We are actually look at Sig MCX in 300 Blackout for an Army PDW...
Elbonias favourite smg.
ahhh.. powerpoint fan!
Death to Kiwiland!
Wake up baby the new Perun gun just dropped!
I find it fitting that the best powerpoint guy named himself after a god of war and thunder.
Because, man, is it shocking how well he covers topics related to wars.
It's even funnier when you remember that he picked that name for his gaming channel originally, but it actually fits perfectly for his other channel as well. Not so many westerners know Perun as well as they know someone like Zeus/Jupiter, when they're essentially the same deity by a different name, from a different culture. Dude did good xD
@@TheOriginalFaxon Perun is the slavic thor/ zeus, but weirdly not a "prime" or archgod, but the king of the gods while being subject to a higher diety.
@TheOriginalFaxonh who would win?
The Slavic god of gods, or some Australian defense economist youtube boi?
“There is no point in shooting 300 BLK without a suppressor. The whole purpose is to be suppressed.” As the developer of 300 BLK, I disagree. One purpose was to have a short barrel and still have a useful cartridge using supersonic ammunition. 556 is terrible in short barrels.
This is a good point. The .300 BLK is basically a dual use cartridge. You can use it subsonic and suppressed, for quiet pew-pews. Or you can use it supersonic with a short barrel, and still get decent ballistics.
I would be willing to guess that he meant mainly with subsonic ammunition, and in that case I agree. I also agree with you
-"As the developer of 300 BLK"- "As the guy who copied 300 Whisper and changed it just enough to avoid paying royalties to JD Jones"
FTFY
@@PADOYLE 7.62x39 is extremely compelling as an assault rifle cartridge, but it doesn't feed well from an AR-15 magazine - and also the bolt face is too large for an AR bolt. To have something like that in an AR, except to be reliable, is desirable to many people.
Maybe you are a long-range shooter or something, but that has nothing to do with what these cartridges are for.
@@PADOYLE "The end users are overwhelmingly utilizing 300 in the subsonic loads." This is easy to know because ammunition manufacturers have sales data on subsonic vs supersonic rounds. I think if you looked this up, you would find that supersonic sales exceed subsonic.
Am I the only one that at first thought the gun'd fire high quality economic military slides?
It comes with integrated High Quality Orange and Gray Powerpoint Slides about Warfare, Economics & Strategy
😄
Thanks. Great story & demo. For those who aren't Slavic linguists, "Perun" is the chief god in the Slavic pantheon. "Perun" basically means first, or number one, so he's Zeus to the ancient Slavs. (cf, 'piervij in Russian.)
According to Your explanation Perun as the firstone or number one shoud be than called Pervin or Prvin. I mean why ancient slavs would use latin words to describe their gods. You cant explain Slavic languages with Latin grammar. Perun word etimological root is pero that is feather. Perun means the feathered one, its is just just a way to describe an eaglelike deity. Just look how many eagles are in crests and banners even today. In fact it is the opposit, many latin words have protoslavic language root, that is because Etruscans who were copied in everything by Romans were of Slavic descent. Even the language name for Latin language that is Latinščina is just a variant of word Latovščina that means gibberish, when someone speaked inncorectly was said he is speaking in Latinian that is he speaks gibberish. It is very hard to explain all this to a westerner, english Victorian and altdeutsch German historians and linguists worked very hard in 19. century to erase all the slavic traces in the basis of the western culture. Basicaly the westerners schols of prehistory and linguistics are faked.
@@milanpracek2931 Milan, Thanks. I stand corrected, partly. Slavic V sounds frequently transition to a U sound in certain environments. I was misinformed about the origin of 'Perun' by a work associate. I was signed up to take Professor Soudakoff's class in Slavic Folklore at Indiana University in 1979, but a last minute schedule change forced me to take a much worse literature course. I accept that //pero// means feather, but has naught to do with the name of Perun, according to Wikipedia. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun). Many European languages consider their neighbors to be deaf, or speakers of gibberish, which is what //KELTOI// means in Greek, and //NEMCI// means in Slavic. I'll admit to being puzzled by your rejectionist view of scholarship. At the time the Etruscans were in the Italian peninsula, an undifferentiated mass of Proto-Slavs was milling about some 2500 km to the ENE. The Etruscans are most decidedly NOT Slavic. Their language and culture is not well understood. The Romans believed the Etruscans to be of Asian origin, possibly like the Phoenicians. Recent DNA studies seem to confirm this: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2189563/. Have a nice day!!
No, the chief god varied from tribe to tribe, but it is believed that he was a son of Svarog, the forge god, who, in turn, was a son of Rod, the god of creation and life. And no, Perun's name doesn't come from "first", it's indo-european related.
@@oleksii8182 Thanks for the details. I'm really more familiar with Nordic myth & saga. "ROD" makes sense to me for the Slavic god of creation. I'll have to buy the Soudakoff text on Slavic Folklore. The various Indo-Eurpoean pantheons are all vaguely similar.
@@neiloconnor9349 You should read something about slavic autochtony in western Europe there is much written about it mainly by Polish, Slovenian and Serb authors. Etruscan called themselves Raseni, sound familiar doesent it. Raseni simply means people of the same breed. In Spanish language even today they dont say Slovenia but Eslovenia. It is hard to study this if You are not a slavic language speaker. Many old Breton and old Brit words have slavic roots. Bretons that is french word for ancient autochton people that live on Atlantic coast call their country in their native old language Brehzc not Bretagne and slavic word for Shore or Coastline is Breg or for a small shore Bregec. Or lets say name for the German capital city Berlin. It has nothing to do with bears, It means Town in a marshland, old slavic word for Marshes is Brlja in Serbian language has the same meaning even today. I could list you thousands of linguistic examples like this but it would take hours. They simply are to many to be a coincidence. Have a nice day to.
Very cool design!
When I hear Perun, I start hearing a power point presentation on defence procurement and logistics and economics in a Oz accent and with a dry Oz humour. Sorry Slovenia, you god has been hijacked.
I have always enjoyed having adjustable gas and the FAL is great from that standpoint. Set it at the minimum for reliable operation and you're good.
One major bonus to using that polymer lower vs an aluminum one is you don't have to re-anodize it after machining.
Edit: and you get some low cost weight savings as well.
Wouldn't you machine it first, then anodize?
@@Pyreleaf They are talking about when you mill the buffer tower off an existing lower to fit this particular upper.
@@jic1 Exactly
@@jic1 I have to reanodize when I remove the tower?
@@nomad155 Only if you care about having a spot where you can see bare aluminum, I suppose.
Some pretty large muzzle flashes on some of the shots, enough to be clearly visible on a bright Arizona day. That can seems to be struggling a bit, at least on this rifle and barrel length combo.
Great to see how the ACR stock (or adaptions of it) as best part of that rifle survived and sees so much use in so many roles.
Oh and a pretty nice rifle as well😊
That's not an ACR stock; it's a knockoff. Unfortunately though, as Magpul has recently stopped making the ACR stock, these knockoffs are now the only option. Just wish I knew who makes this stock...
@@Locutus494 It looks like a stock from F5 Manufacturing
@@b.macnicol8641Yeah, they're the only game in town now, but they've got a pretty shoddy history so it's unfortunate.
F5 must be doing something right!
Australian Power-Point Man is looking a bit more... polymer... than I thought he would.
That’s a handy looking carbine!
Just remember it may be 2 pounds lights but its also made of pot metal and is a Q product.
I like this idea, because in eliminating the main stress point in the AR-15 lower receiver, it now makes standard pattern polymer lower receivers a viable option.
Then I looked at the prices for the various uppers......
Same. It was a mistake. 2k.. I'll keep my JAKL, which due to the retained recoil spring and long stroke gas system, can do the same.
@@PureCountryof91 just out of curiosity: what do you think the long stroke does enough better than the internal piston design on the AR to warrant having it in place of the AR design? Or is it just cool so you wanted it? Not trying to start a debate, I'm just genuinely curious on different people's reasoning
I think some people just want to be different. Example, bullpups...
I have a builder's kit. Definitely decent considering you'll spend the same for a upper mid tier AR and I got to choose my trigger, gas block, barrel, and other parts. I'd say it's worth it, I have enjoyed it thus far
@@jeremyrussell361 keeps the gasses and carbon off the ammunition, magazines, and out of the receivers. Beyond that, nothing. Every other metric the DI excels. Accuracy, sound, weight, pistons fall behind. I intend to suppress it and my short stroke piston ar10. Which is where pistons finally get another point
Do a collab video with the guy who made the honey badger and/or Demo Ranch, and I guarantee it’ll the biggest the gun video on TH-cam ever since Kentucky’s video blew up 😂 Seriously though, ask to do a collab and ask Matt to get you some plane tickets the next time Kevin is going to Texas if you’re able to travel on a whim and wanted to do a proper collab, I think we’d all love to see that happen and the mix of knowledge and personalities would be the absolute best.
Edit was just fixing some typos.
Ah yes, *the Powerpoint Gun*
very cool.
i really think that area of Europe is doing some hard work in small arms, and isnt QUITE getting the recognition they deserve
Eastern Europe has a surprisingly rich history with weapons manufacturing, it's kind of the opposite of their history in making cars where they're known but for all the wrong reasons.
@@Voltaic_FireBut we're not talking about Eastern Europe here .
Slovenia is not in Eastern Europe.
@@johndaniels1197 when did i say eastern?
@@ripvanwinkle2002 Notice how you aren't tagged in my comment? I wasn't replying to you.
Damn, the X16 and 17 are in my "ironsight" for months since Polenartactial presented it with you Ian, but now they even make a 300blk version. They are impressive.
The madlads weaponized powepoints 😮
8-bit guy's x16 project is going in some interesting places...
Best weapon to defend some MIC spreadsheets
ok... who's going to be the first to take a Sawzall to a KE Arms lower? :D
AEA has the worst customer service for anyone in the us looking to buy one of these.
Be prepared to get a link to the UPS tracking website with a fedex tracking code in your email that the order has shipped.
Be also prepared to have your lower take over two weeks to deliver, allegedly because there is a trigger guard shortage (like what?) despite the website saying the lowers are in stock.
Be ready for Alex to actually lie to you over the phone that the lower “should be shipping today”. Multiple times.
Oh and don’t expect them to respond to your email when you have issues and complaints.
Ian, do you think it would be possible to lob off the stock portion of a KP-15 and do the same job this one does, or do you think that small metal reinforcement at the back actually serves some function? Would be really easy for anyone with a dremel to cut up a KP-15 for a build like this, and it's not like the lower is particularly expensive. That said, you wouldn't have a warranty on it lol
Reminded me of Bad Company game when I saw the image.
Beautiful Gun 😍😍😍
14:52
The tall cactus behind you appears to have his arms in the air, left in a state of awe, from the rifle running flawlessly on gas setting 4 with both supersonic and subsonic.
When it comes to ammo, there shouldn't be collectibles. Just stockpiles and reserves.
Good morning Ian, if it’s not too much,may I suggest you to add metric conversions (at least on text on screen) when ever you are using Mile, pounds, inches/ feet etc. it helps us( at least me) compare it to what we have realistically. That’s just a suggestion. Love your videos, you are the best. Warm regards
Probably a good idea.
It's neat to see the Riflespeed adjustable gas block being used on a commercial firearm.
honestly the only criticism i have of the design is how high off-bore your scope is.
I long ago learned the most sensitive to gas blowback were leftie shooters. I suspect the guns that are the best in regards to gas must have had a leftie shooter or two in the development chain. I like the looks of that platform. Like a lot of the Balkan region countries, they have the brains to develop some awesome guns, but lack the development and industrial base to make enough to really make a mark.
The fact makers don't consider lefties is a pathetic excuse at this point in firearms making. Hate getting gas to the face and I hope this one doesn't do much.
The internals look very Tavor like.
Looks like a x95 bcg setup. Nice!
To paraphares, "A bit hot and will become too hot to hold". For context, 46C (115F) is about 20C (36F) hotter than our "hot" day here in Calgary. Where do you find enough shade to even park a car? Do bullet ballistics change when the thermometer goes that high? Less air resistance from a less dense medium compared to -20C (-4F) possibly
It could be named Pogi X16, after Pogačar the well-known Slovenian cycling deity.
Alright, that's funny
Thank you , Ian .
🐺Loupis Canis .
General idea is cool
Shape of charging handle seems also good and not foldable (better fixed for me).
Improvements:
-simplified upper (only piston), less parts, ergal body
-ergal lower, serie 7
-ar15 parts, lower (grip, safety, trigger), best logistic especially for triggers group (so many brands make huge critical mistakes).
-remove QD (less practical thing ever invented👎) sling mounts for old school slim low profile classic rings for sling mini carabiners.
🇮🇹
That first round pop is indeed quite significant. Would be interesting to see a video (not necessarily from Forgotten Weapons) testing ways to get rid of that. I could imagine things like torching the suppressor for a moment to burn out the oxygen, or having a small canister of CO2 or nitrogen to purge the oxygen out of it working decently.
A more comprehensive suppressor would make the biggest change I think.
@@Voltaic_Fire For sure, but first round pop seems to be an issue almost always to _some_ extent.
You just spit, or pee, in it to solve that first round issue. Or just pour in a little water. Some people put stuff like petroleum jelly inside to stop it.
Siliconspraycan. Works fine from +30 - -25°C
I was looking at these just a few weeks ago, really neat rifles.
It just works. 16x the detail..
Revolutionary Gamebryo engine..
Weird in a good way. So now it's very high on my DO WANT list...
Super cool video, as always. Thanks Ian!
To this day I still pine for those WOLF 9x39 uppers that were shown off years ago at Shot Show--or anything domestic in 9x39.
UUhhhhh! Stop making me sad, I just want to pretend I have a VSS. (I know they are not all that great but look at it! )
I'm so impressed that it comes with the rifle speed gas block. Nice. 😅
Very cool
I think 300blk is a very very good option as a home defense weapon. You get velocity as an additional option compared to 5.56 without losing damage potential.
I’ve been waiting for mine now for months. I’m still trying to get other rails and hand guards but cannot acquire them. What good is having a modular rifle when you cannot get any modular accessories? The same problem (in part) killed the Bushmaster ACR. Just saying..
I TOTALLY realize you're just speaking off the cuff during the range footage but for a technical correction...
Shouldn't the momentum be roughly the same for supersonic and subsonic 300? Or rather, depending on the load, it will often be rather close if not identical? Looking at nosler load data: 110gr @ 2180 fps max (IMR 4227 powder, 16" barrel), 220 gr @ 1100 fps (H4198 powder, same barrel) these work out to be ALMOST EXACT duplicates for MOMENTUM, double the bullet weight, halve the velocity, bing bang boom. You halve the energy in subs that have twice the weight and half the velocity, not the momentum.
momentum P = mass M * velocity V
kinetic energy E = 0.5 * mass M * velocity (V^2)
if we round the supersonic velocity up from 2180 to 2200 fps these two examples have identical momentum:
subsonic P = 220 * 1100 = 2 * 110 * 1100
supersonic P = 110 * 2200 = 2 * 110 * 1100
More a physics lesson for the comments browsers than anything else, good video!
The contrast between the high quality made upper and the cheap budget lower is a sight to behold!
I'm not sure if gun jesus misspoke but that brands polymer lowers are more expensive than some aluminum lowers
~ 5:33 - is that actually a problem?
Nope. Not at all. Polenar tactical.. I think it was.. ran some x16 upper with a *3d printed* lower, with no problem
It's awesome that they put the Riflespeed gas block on it.
Wow, did you see the fireball at 11:26?
Great video, it would have been interesting to see if a notch or two more on the gas setting would get the subsonic ejecting like the supersonic ammunition.
I have one of those riflespeed gas systems. The gas changes are very small between settings. Just changing between brass manufacturers took me two settings to lock back on an empty magazine.
wow talk about a first round pop, that was loud af
I'm 81, and hunted all my life until a few years ago. I used a bolt action 30.06, for big game and 22s for plunking around, so, I'm just an old fart who loves guns, but really have no expertese(sp). This a dumb question, but why is there a pop on the first round? I also a flash a couple times and I suppose they are connected.
I placed an order for one of these for my collection. Thank you.
Why does this feel expensive but cheap at the same time?
The riflespeed gas block is fantastic.
“‘Elp! ‘Elp! I’m being suppressed!”
Neen waiting 4 months for my x16 upper. They said some changes were being made, so hopefully the adjustable gas system is one of them.
Ian, when are you going to Utah to review Robinson XCR? I watched most of all of your content and I have never heard you bring up the XCR.
In what ways 300blk (subsonic) is better or worse than 45ACP for home defense exclusively?
Similar ballistics, short distance, very different diameters.. why would one choose the rifle round?
The stock heavily reminds me of the SCARs
It is a SCAR stock, the gun was specifically made to be compatible with them in order to increase modularity
Man watching your hand be so close to that gas adjuster.. id deffinatly be looking for a vertical grip, maybe even that stubby one that has a built in handstop
…or gloves..Ian? Not crazy about that ‘Kel-tec’- looking lower AT ALL..
Weird sperm whale front end gas port adjustment piston tube........thing.
.300 blk makes no sense unsupeessed?
I just want to be compliant for hunting regs.
Am I the only one who is disappointed the gas block doesn't go to eleven?
I mean, yes, it goes to twelve, but there was an opportunity lost there.
that bore offset looks higher than a g36 with a hydra mount
Why was the first round of each group so much louder than the rest? Is this because of the short suppressor?
Weird how the smoke (gas) comes out of the side and back of this when shooting the subsonic ammo as seen from the left side starting about 13:14.
Adjustable gas system means how much gas do you want in your face in order to control the recoil impulse. Until someone makes a gas bleed that vents forward however unlikely
I clicked expecting weaponized PowerPoint presentation. I am saddened there was none.
Does anyone know what type of Suppressor/Silencer that this was equipped with?
It's ... not a black and orange powerpoint. I'm confused.
Glory to Emutopia! Never yield to the Kiwiland oppressors!
I'm confused about subsonic seems to makes a good round weak
At first glance I thought that this is a .300 Blk version of BREN 2 😂
Perfect ..
Any reason you might have a supersonic crack on the first round from subsonic ammo?
Thank you! Not to sound entitled but I’ve been waiting for this!
I used to have
It's it wrong that I want to get one of the uppers and a kp15 lower and slap them together?
It's it wrong that I want to get one of the uppers and a kp15 lower and slap them together?
I had to rewind a little to hear the weight empty, it's one heavy PDW.
looks super heavy.. you know what i would like to see for something actually different. a modern PP-19 or p90 style gun that shrinks the form factor of our firearms. the magazine on an AR is such a huge dimension increase. its simple, reliable, effective but huge. basically what the p365 did for pistols, id like to see done for rifles. something that is more streamline, shrinks the gun, lightens it up. maybe get rid of the pistol grip too or have it quickly fold back while the stock folds to the side or over the top like a modern spas 12 stock. I have an RDB survival and its very cool and handy aside from the giant magazine.. imagine if that were a long thing streamlined attachment under the handguard. would be cool. may need a straight wall cartridge though so the mag can be straight. 350 legend perhaps.
every new gun looks and functions the same... we need someone to make something unique.
Rats! I have lust but live in California so this rifle is verboten on so many levels.
So I guess you could use any AR-15 lower on this with some basic modification? It wouldn't be hard to mill off the buffer tower on an AR-15 lower, wouldn't even really need a milling machine if you're good enough with a belt grinder.
I suppose
Honestly loving these videos on 21st century Eastern European guns!
Slovenia isn‘t eastern Europe lol. Not everything which is isn‘t France, Germany or Italy is eastern Europe.
@@AB-qz4vb I was expecting this kind of reply from someone. Saying post-Warsaw Pact + post-Yugoslavia just isn't as convenient and you know exactly what I meant lmao
Central Europe
@@Budisgud69southern European...South Central...
Not eastern europe.
Fail -- they should have made the gas block go up to 11.
It would be a few ounces lighter with a direct thread or taper mount instead of the keymo system. Keymo is a pig.
A better can to use would’ve been the OCL hydrogen S. The S/L trended very well on PewScience subsonic 300 blk testing.
"the perfect rifle doesn't exis-"
Even if the piston part is short , its still a long stroke piston system fixed to bolt carrier , polymer lower makes sense both cost and weight vise there is realy no good reason to use an aluminum one .
It's a short stroke. Piston is not connected to the bcg.
Do they not have one where the top rail matches the handguard length? It’s bugging me 😂
Definitely not as much gas in the face as the Streetsweeper.