For a trip to Alaska in 2015, I had a set of Heidenau K60s mounted on my R1200GSA. They rode well, handled moderate off-road scenarios such small rocks in creek beds or the Dalton Highway just fine, and gave good mileage. After 6K miles they still had considerable tread depth. However, I found that the rear tire will hydroplane on even slightly wet pavement above 65 mph. I would certainly consider putting another set on my bike, if I did a similar trip again.
Y'all missed the Shinko 804/805. Probably the best 50/50 tire for the money, bar none. Drag pegs in the twisties, serious off road prowess and easy on the wallet. Pretty decent mileage is just the icing on the cake!
really surprised that you guys left out the 90-10 s out, this is by far the most used in the adventure segment. Pirelli Scorpions 2 and/or Metzeler next needed to be here.
I have the K60 Scout on my 1290SA. They’re a great all round tire, capable enough in the dirt and gravel...unless it’s wet, then that continuous centre line really hampers the ability to churn through wet dirt and grass, and it’s difficult to get traction. I actually got pretty badly bogged when riding remotely solo, not a great experience, and I’m sure the TKC80, Mitas EO7 & up, or the big block tires would have ploughed through
I've used several sets of TKC80's on a R1200GSA and a set of Scouts. The Scouts front tire is by far the loudest tire I had on my bike. 40-45 mph and it howl's like crazy where as TKC 80's are a little bumpy but relatively quite. Both types are great tires for on and off. Getting ready to mount Motoz Tractionator next.....
Yeah I have scouts on now and I was surprised how loud they are. They also loose grip on wet roads more abruptly. Liked TKC 80’s better, except their short life. May try Mitas E07+ next time.
I'm not a Spurg, but I'm running Conti Trail Attack II (3rd set) on my 2014 BMW R1200GS (currently 66,000+ miles) and getting 20,000+ miles on both the front and rear. Yes, 20,000+. The OEM tire, Michelin Anakee III had over 13,000 at replacement and had about another 4,000 miles remaining.
There are heaps of more off road biased tyres that are knobbies and DOT legal. TKCs are definitely not the most dirt orientated ADV tyre available. One example is the Dunlop D606 - they are also half the price of the TKCs (at least!)
Wow! That's a surprise in some ways, but yeah you are probably right about location and accessibility. Most European tyres are expensive in Australia compared to Asian sourced tyres, but here they are sold as 'premium' tyres too, so that contributes to the prices we pay. Dunlop are just considered a cheap, but reliable, option for us, in my opinion.
@@23DuDe i think dunlop d606 just got popular in my region, that made them hard to come by which makes them suddenly worth more money :) I know that my go-to german vendor started importing the popular maxxis tyres for honda groms and such. Its considered a rare exotic delicacy over here :) from new anglia hehe. Hence prices are a tad higher than they ought to be. I'm getting Mitas tyres because they're exceptionally cheap, being situated in an almost neighbouring country to the Czech Republic :))
I ride a BMW 1200 G S adventure currently.my tyres 80/20 are Anakee adventure Ride more onroad but do venture offroad .Will a mitas e 07 + want good onroad offroad tyre ,great program channel
Oliver Allen I tried them on a Triumph 1200 Explorer and didn't like them. They were pretty ordinary on wet bitumen and definitely not good on wet clay as I put the big girl down riding on that. Lucky I was only going slow and there wasn't much damage but I wouldn't put them on again. It's really hard to find an adventure tyre that hooks up well and gives acceptable life
Heidenau almost as good offroad as the TKC ? Maybe on solid dry ground... But don't adventure your K60 equipped bike into humid muddy environments, the Heidenau WILL fail you because of the continuous center line. You need those spaces described on the TKC80 to keep going. If you just roll through some mud it's still ok with the Heidenau. But come to a wet climb or, worse, to a stop on a rising slope. You will struggle like hell (and most probably fail) to get moving again - exept for going back downhill. The Heidenau will last longer, but it comes at the price of not being good in all offroad situations.
I hate it when people say "ADV" instead of "Adventure." They're both 3 syllables, both just as easy to say, but "Adventure" sounds better, doesn't sound like ATV, and isn't a pretentious not-quite-an-acronym. Shortening Adventure to "ADV" makes no sense to me.
What street only (cold and wet weather) tires would you recommend for 21”/18” combo for a ktm 1090? Those pilot trails don’t seem to come in either 21” or 18”
Irc battle rally is similar to tkc 80.Cheaper and very long lasting on pavement ,good in real off road conditions,origional equipment on large ktm adv bikes.Check them out
Unfortunately since those types of bikes are not available in the US, we would not be able to test out tires or shoot a video detailing the best options for them. Sorry about that! Ride safe, -Pat
Would you mind sharing how long they last and how well they work on (wet) tarmac? I'm looking for alternatives for the metzeler karoo 3 I have right now... They are great in dry conditions but terrible in the wet :(
We don't have enough experience ourselves running them, and as you said, it seems the opinions are mixed. Some people have had no issues up to 100 mph, while others experienced front tire issues. Personally, I've been happy with the Mitas E-07s on my Tiger 800XC. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mitas-e-07-tires
Any good suggestions for a 50/50 or 70/30 (street/dirt) tube type tire for a 2005 BMW F650gs single? Seems like all I can find that take a tube are really aggressive...like the TKC80. I think the Bridgestone Trailwings came on some of these bikes stock but I've seen mixed reviews. I really wanted something like the K60s or MEFOs but they're tubeless.
We haven't mounted a 120 front to a DRZ-SM, so we cannot say for sure. It's very likely it's been done, though, so I'd look around on the DRZ/sumo/thumper forums. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/continental-twinduro-tkc80-dual-sport-tires
18-21 is common for dirt bikes and dual sports, but most adventure bikes with a 21 inch front tend to use a 17 inch rear: mainly the popular BMW F800GS, Triumph Tiger 800XC, KLR650, and DR650. I grant you that the Africa Twin and some of the KTMs use an 18 inch rear. -DrewZilla
I have a pair on my dr650se, worked brilliantly at Anthracite in PA a couple times now among some mud and streams n stuff we find locally (sturge-esque). Although it can very quickly turn into getting your a$$ kicked if you get too aggressive. I have absolutely made my own trail corrections due to traction 😎
If most of your riding is on tarmac, then look at the Pirelli MT90AT, Avon Trailrider, Heidenau K60 Scout, Mitas E-07, IRC GP110, and Bridgestone Trail Wing tires. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pirelli-mt90at-enduro-dual-sport-tires *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/avon-av53-av54-trailrider-tires *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/heidenau-k60-scout-tires *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mitas-e-07-tires *www.revzilla.com/product/irc-gp110-streettrail-tire *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/bridgestone-tw301-tw302-trail-wing-tires
Agree. Have heidenaus on my R1200gsa. More noise than I expected and break traction suddenly. Honestly on a paved canyon I’d rather be on TKC80’s. They would slide, but much more predictable. I think Mitas E7+ will be the next dirt oriented tire I’ll try.
Agree-I used them on my GS1200 in the 150 size and liked them very much but when I changed to a GS1200 WC with the 170 size has several "moments" when on wet tar so changed them way before they were due to preserve my health.Never again.Shame that somehow they lots their way with the slightly wider tyre.
Unfortunately, no, we don't have any adventure tires that come in pairs to fit the stock sizes. Most adventure bikes have 17" and 18" rear tires, and the Iron only has a 16" rim. -DrewZilla
Yes, you can get off road tires for your Harley Sportster. The Bridgestone Battle axe. This guy has no clue what he’s talking about. The TKC80 is not the most aggressive dirt on/off road tire. Not even close.
We had to replace the back tire on our Triumph Explorer XRT a little over two months ago. The shop that we went to only had the Shinko 705 that would fit our bike. There was an issue with the balance but we were assured that the tire was fine. Well, it wasn't. Please take a look at our Instagram @Chasing60degrees We are Very lucky that we didn't crash. I don't believe that we would be alive if it wasn't for my husband's quick thinking and years of training.
I'm running a set on an 04 Vstrom 650. I'm at 5k ish miles and the back is about done. In the dry they seem to handle fairly well well, I can't say i'm as impressed in the wet. I've noticed a tendency for the rear to squirm and slide more than any other tire I've run on this bike so far.
I've had a lot of sets (buy the radial!) on my GSA and they are great. They are very good on the dry road and a VERY good on the gravel. There probably are better tyres..... but these are under half their price
After laying my mt07 down playing on the 2 miles of dirt roads I live on, I figure hmm maybe I have an adventure bike because of said stupid dirt roads.
For a trip to Alaska in 2015, I had a set of Heidenau K60s mounted on my R1200GSA. They rode well, handled moderate off-road scenarios such small rocks in creek beds or the Dalton Highway just fine, and gave good mileage. After 6K miles they still had considerable tread depth. However, I found that the rear tire will hydroplane on even slightly wet pavement above 65 mph. I would certainly consider putting another set on my bike, if I did a similar trip again.
LEMMY, thank you! Another brilliant video, I wish you were one of my Professors in College, I might have learned something....
Y'all missed the Shinko 804/805. Probably the best 50/50 tire for the money, bar none. Drag pegs in the twisties, serious off road prowess and easy on the wallet. Pretty decent mileage is just the icing on the cake!
I'm thinking the same. I just ordered a pair from Revzilla
Philip Gonzales +1000
@@nickaltvater5592 dont buy from them they are way over priced they only mmakee good videos
Prices are similar to other vendors.
I got my tires from my local bike shop for the same price mounted and balanced
Agreed. I love mine.
really surprised that you guys left out the 90-10 s out, this is by far the most used in the adventure segment. Pirelli Scorpions 2 and/or Metzeler next needed to be here.
I have the K60 Scout on my 1290SA. They’re a great all round tire, capable enough in the dirt and gravel...unless it’s wet, then that continuous centre line really hampers the ability to churn through wet dirt and grass, and it’s difficult to get traction. I actually got pretty badly bogged when riding remotely solo, not a great experience, and I’m sure the TKC80, Mitas EO7 & up, or the big block tires would have ploughed through
I've used several sets of TKC80's on a R1200GSA and a set of Scouts. The Scouts front tire is by far the loudest tire I had on my bike. 40-45 mph and it howl's like crazy where as TKC 80's are a little bumpy but relatively quite. Both types are great tires for on and off. Getting ready to mount Motoz Tractionator next.....
Yeah I have scouts on now and I was surprised how loud they are. They also loose grip on wet roads more abruptly. Liked TKC 80’s better, except their short life. May try Mitas E07+ next time.
I'm not a Spurg, but I'm running Conti Trail Attack II (3rd set) on my 2014 BMW R1200GS (currently 66,000+ miles) and getting 20,000+ miles on both the front and rear. Yes, 20,000+. The OEM tire, Michelin Anakee III had over 13,000 at replacement and had about another 4,000 miles remaining.
There are heaps of more off road biased tyres that are knobbies and DOT legal. TKCs are definitely not the most dirt orientated ADV tyre available. One example is the Dunlop D606 - they are also half the price of the TKCs (at least!)
Duane Dempster in Denmark, d606 costs twice what pirelli mt21 costs. I guess prices fluctuate depending on location and accesibility
Wow! That's a surprise in some ways, but yeah you are probably right about location and accessibility. Most European tyres are expensive in Australia compared to Asian sourced tyres, but here they are sold as 'premium' tyres too, so that contributes to the prices we pay. Dunlop are just considered a cheap, but reliable, option for us, in my opinion.
@@23DuDe i think dunlop d606 just got popular in my region, that made them hard to come by which makes them suddenly worth more money :)
I know that my go-to german vendor started importing the popular maxxis tyres for honda groms and such.
Its considered a rare exotic delicacy over here :) from new anglia hehe. Hence prices are a tad higher than they ought to be. I'm getting Mitas tyres because they're exceptionally cheap, being situated in an almost neighbouring country to the Czech Republic :))
I was about to say, the d606 is way more aggressive and dot. That's what I currently run.
Took my Africa Twin for the first time off road. Got stuck. Getting the Conti tkc80
This is a really great video. I wish I had seen this last year when I was trying to sort all this out for the first time.
I ride a BMW 1200 G S adventure currently.my tyres 80/20 are Anakee adventure Ride more onroad but do venture offroad .Will a mitas e 07 + want good onroad offroad tyre ,great program channel
Great review.
Love the comments on Spurgeon’s inappropriate use of the big machines!
Great video, wish you could have added expected mileage and ratios for each tire. Fairly obvious, but we want to hear if from Lenny! ☺️
good review, missed the Mitas E-07 tire but a great review
He did mention it, he said the K60 Scout is the same as the Mitas E07
Just realized you posted that 2 years ago haha
This video is right on time.
I wish you guys carried MotoZ Tractionator GPS. I hear they’re great.
Tkc might be for me.
Oliver Allen I tried them on a Triumph 1200 Explorer and didn't like them. They were pretty ordinary on wet bitumen and definitely not good on wet clay as I put the big girl down riding on that. Lucky I was only going slow and there wasn't much damage but I wouldn't put them on again. It's really hard to find an adventure tyre that hooks up well and gives acceptable life
Heidenau almost as good offroad as the TKC ? Maybe on solid dry ground... But don't adventure your K60 equipped bike into humid muddy environments, the Heidenau WILL fail you because of the continuous center line. You need those spaces described on the TKC80 to keep going. If you just roll through some mud it's still ok with the Heidenau. But come to a wet climb or, worse, to a stop on a rising slope. You will struggle like hell (and most probably fail) to get moving again - exept for going back downhill. The Heidenau will last longer, but it comes at the price of not being good in all offroad situations.
There's much more aggressive tyres then the tkc80s that are road legal.
Mitas c02, mitas army special.
Shinko 760s just to name a few.
Hey, what happend to the 70/30 and 80/20 Aventure Tyres ? No example, only almost offroad and and 100% street are prsented on this video :(
Yea when will you get them in stock? Because most tires you carry can be found on Amazon while you web site says out of stock
I like the chevron pattern. They seem to do OK on everything. On a bigger bike would get something with center patch for wear. Thanks for the video.
Aren’t Motoz one of the very best? The Tractionator Adventure, or Rallz, Desert HT etc??
I now understand why the Heidenaus are so expensive. Maybe my next tires.
The Pilots are the type of tire I've found useful on a road bike that sees regular gravel service.
Why do none of you guys ever include IRC tires in these reviews/comparisons? IRC-GP 110 is a great 70/30 tire
I hate it when people say "ADV" instead of "Adventure." They're both 3 syllables, both just as easy to say, but "Adventure" sounds better, doesn't sound like ATV, and isn't a pretentious not-quite-an-acronym. Shortening Adventure to "ADV" makes no sense to me.
Very well explained. Not too scientific. Even a noob like me can understand. 👍
Mitas. Or motoz brand tires are probably the best.. but great message here.. thank you for sharing.. Robert Jr NJ here XR 650.
What street only (cold and wet weather) tires would you recommend for 21”/18” combo for a ktm 1090? Those pilot trails don’t seem to come in either 21” or 18”
Since there's no 190 off-road tyres, can I fit a 160 or 150 in the ducati multistrada 1200?
Irc battle rally is similar to tkc 80.Cheaper and very long lasting on pavement ,good in real off road conditions,origional equipment on large ktm adv bikes.Check them out
Hi my brother! Can you guys please helping me with my DR-Z 400 Model 2014 with a pair of tires? On world & off world? How much ?
Please talk about tires for 100 cc Indian motorcycles ie Hero,Bajaj,Yamaha crux,Mahindra
Unfortunately since those types of bikes are not available in the US, we would not be able to test out tires or shoot a video detailing the best options for them. Sorry about that! Ride safe, -Pat
A week after I buy Adventure tires!? Oh well, I'm very happy with my choice, Michelin Anakee Wilds. Thanks Revzilla, your awesome. (member sense 2010)
Would you mind sharing how long they last and how well they work on (wet) tarmac? I'm looking for alternatives for the metzeler karoo 3 I have right now... They are great in dry conditions but terrible in the wet :(
What are your thoughts on the TKC 70’s? I’ve heard mixed opinions on their stability. I have a Triumph Tiger 955i.
We don't have enough experience ourselves running them, and as you said, it seems the opinions are mixed. Some people have had no issues up to 100 mph, while others experienced front tire issues. Personally, I've been happy with the Mitas E-07s on my Tiger 800XC. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mitas-e-07-tires
I plan to put tck80 just for the look, do you think it would be dangereous for a xsr900 which will go on asphalt for %95 of the time?
Yes, that's a bit dangerous, and the tires won't last long at all. Handling would be very poor. -DrewZilla
Any good suggestions for a 50/50 or 70/30 (street/dirt) tube type tire for a 2005 BMW F650gs single? Seems like all I can find that take a tube are really aggressive...like the TKC80. I think the Bridgestone Trailwings came on some of these bikes stock but I've seen mixed reviews. I really wanted something like the K60s or MEFOs but they're tubeless.
You probably got your answer already, but you can run tubeless tires on tube-type wheels. As long as you still use a tube in there, you'll be fine.
Will those tkc-80's mount onto a stock 17" drz supermoto rim without having to replace brakes or fork shield?
We haven't mounted a 120 front to a DRZ-SM, so we cannot say for sure. It's very likely it's been done, though, so I'd look around on the DRZ/sumo/thumper forums. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/continental-twinduro-tkc80-dual-sport-tires
Actually a 17-19 combo or *18*-21.
18-21 is common for dirt bikes and dual sports, but most adventure bikes with a 21 inch front tend to use a 17 inch rear: mainly the popular BMW F800GS, Triumph Tiger 800XC, KLR650, and DR650. I grant you that the Africa Twin and some of the KTMs use an 18 inch rear. -DrewZilla
Yeah I guess. I mostly had KTM in mind when I mentioned 18" rears.
21/18 is the real answer for ADVENTURE bikes.
Mine is 18-21. But it is a KTM.
Been using Shinko 705s on everything I own , I LOVE EM ! U TEST EM ?
Yes, they're a good option for those that spend most time on the street with a little bit of fire road riding. -DrewZilla
I have a pair on my dr650se, worked brilliantly at Anthracite in PA a couple times now among some mud and streams n stuff we find locally (sturge-esque). Although it can very quickly turn into getting your a$$ kicked if you get too aggressive. I have absolutely made my own trail corrections due to traction 😎
Just checked the back tire on my Africa Twin. 6944 miles and the tread is .195 in the center. (.320 new) decent grip on the road and rain.
What could be the best motard or adventure tyre for Honda CRF 250 Rally?
If most of your riding is on tarmac, then look at the Pirelli MT90AT, Avon Trailrider, Heidenau K60 Scout, Mitas E-07, IRC GP110, and Bridgestone Trail Wing tires. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/pirelli-mt90at-enduro-dual-sport-tires
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/avon-av53-av54-trailrider-tires
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/heidenau-k60-scout-tires
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/mitas-e-07-tires
*www.revzilla.com/product/irc-gp110-streettrail-tire
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/bridgestone-tw301-tw302-trail-wing-tires
Thank you sir
The TKC 80 is not the most off-road street legal tire/adventure tire.
Top video. Cheers.
Thinking of sticking some heidenau k60’s on my Triumph Bonneville t100.
Go with Mitas E07. K60s suck in the wet and they are more expensive.
Agree. Have heidenaus on my R1200gsa. More noise than I expected and break traction suddenly. Honestly on a paved canyon I’d rather be on TKC80’s. They would slide, but much more predictable. I think Mitas E7+ will be the next dirt oriented tire I’ll try.
Will the TKC80 tires fit a Desert Sled?
Yes, they're available in sizes to fit the Desert Sled. -DrewZilla
*bit.ly/TKC80_DesertSled
Do you have a review of the pirelli mt 60 rs?
We do not currently have a review of the MT60RS Tires. -DrewZilla
K60’s are scary when it’s wet. Never again!
Have some on right now, and not too impressed. Noisier than I expected, loose grip suddenly when wet.
Agree-I used them on my GS1200 in the 150 size and liked them very much but when I changed to a GS1200 WC with the 170 size has several "moments" when on wet tar so changed them way before they were due to preserve my health.Never again.Shame that somehow they lots their way with the slightly wider tyre.
18”x21”
Anything for stock 883 iron
Unfortunately, no, we don't have any adventure tires that come in pairs to fit the stock sizes. Most adventure bikes have 17" and 18" rear tires, and the Iron only has a 16" rim. -DrewZilla
Yes, you can get off road tires for your Harley Sportster. The Bridgestone Battle axe. This guy has no clue what he’s talking about. The TKC80 is not the most aggressive dirt on/off road tire. Not even close.
I miss Lemmy : (
We had to replace the back tire on our Triumph Explorer XRT a little over two months ago. The shop that we went to only had the Shinko 705 that would fit our bike. There was an issue with the balance but we were assured that the tire was fine. Well, it wasn't. Please take a look at our Instagram @Chasing60degrees We are Very lucky that we didn't crash. I don't believe that we would be alive if it wasn't for my husband's quick thinking and years of training.
Anyone know what BMW bike that is at 3:28?
Yep, it's the R nineT Urban G/S. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2018-bmw-r-ninet-urban-gs-first-ride-motorcycle-review
Avon made the distanzia for off-road
Thoughts on the Shinko 705's?
The 705s are a great budget option and are good if most of your ADV riding is on-road. -DrewZilla
If you want something more off road capable than the 705's, look at the Shinko 804/805. Great tires for very little money!
I'm running a set on an 04 Vstrom 650. I'm at 5k ish miles and the back is about done. In the dry they seem to handle fairly well well, I can't say i'm as impressed in the wet. I've noticed a tendency for the rear to squirm and slide more than any other tire I've run on this bike so far.
I've had a lot of sets (buy the radial!) on my GSA and they are great. They are very good on the dry road and a VERY good on the gravel. There probably are better tyres..... but these are under half their price
Well that just confused even more. The more info I receive the more its harder to decide which tire to put on my Tiger 800 for Alaska
Looks like you just have to buy something and try it for yourself. Had the same thought myself. Riding late model V Strom 650. Cheers
3:16 dude they run like 70/30s "anything knobbier is a straight dirt bike tire" DS606s. Tractionators.
For you goons, there's a 120/70-17 TKC80 front
like you care about the customer
After laying my mt07 down playing on the 2 miles of dirt roads I live on, I figure hmm maybe I have an adventure bike because of said stupid dirt roads.
When he said the tkc80 is as off road oriented as a dot tire can get he lost all credibility as someone to review tires
You are wrong.
@@Porsche996driver so you think the tkc is as dirt oriented of a dual sport tire there is? There are several more dirt oriented dual sport tires
Absolutely
Jesus Christ man...take that thing outa your nose!
Good informative video...
Hey burt
Air down is a myth. Come on
Dude is prob getting $15 an HR.
Please, dont speak so fast, there is a lot of non american people who try to watch this video and learn something and it is very difficult.
javier lassa In cases like that I use 0.75 playback speed
talk a lot get to the point....
Holy crap this guy is so jumped up. Nice video content ... Super annoying the delivery style