Sandy was the reason I didnt buy a Model 3 in 2018, 2019, or 2020. But he's also the reason I did buy a 2022 model. This series finally made be feel okay to buy one. Sure there are still minor issues. But nothing that seems too concerning. Love this guy.
Only one channel where true production details are understood at the mass manufacturing level, super interesting to see its application and so well presented by Sandy and team. No BS.
@@joeziahbabb supply chain logistics get complicated sometimes though. A factory can have a bad batch, the place can get shut down, small parts need to be shipped to all the service centers to help with repairs and the service center technicians need to do extra labor to install those extra parts
And also also consider the throughput on the production line. I don't know how long time a car is on the production line but lets say 1h. Then maybe you can shave 30-60s off of that hour by not having to add those gadgets.
I had a neighbor who “engineered” at Ford. During the Taurus run, (a pretty successful offering), my neighbor would complain about the changes to certain parts that originally were metal, being replaced by plastic. He would warn the cost reducers that the parts would fail in a much shorter time. Their response was “as long as it’s past the warranty, we don’t care”. Yes, there were incremental savings but not for the consumer.
I do appreciate the way Mr Munroe keeps on championing those retailers who continue working during the Global crisis, not that I am one. You have public accolades for many sectors working selfishly even putting their lives in Danger yet no one but him seems to care about the people making sure you can actually eat. He is an industry leader runs his own successful company and no doubt has the funds to eat at a Michelin Star restaurant every day of his life, yet it says a lot for his character that this does not effect him and he treats people no matter how lowly a job they have as human beings.
A business owner I worked for said “watch out for the penny’s and the dollars will take care of themselves”. Sandy just demonstrated how true that was.
Your first finding - I’m happy it’s there. It means customers can put on a 3rd party tow hitch without having to replace the plastic air shield or have an ugly cut out.
to be honest tho who wants to tow with a electric sadan? in my opinion the m3 LR has just enough miles to ease a bit of range anxiety (over 300 useable) and we know towing kills range in EV but what could you tow? 3000 maxium?
@@ChargingForward seems like aneasy fix? Erect a vertical integration building next to the current one and problem solved? Maybe they are waiting for starship. From what ive seen it will be vertical
@@Capthrax1 bicycle trip with the family? Not too far, tow bar bicycle rack. Will indeed kill range but for shorter trips it's nice to have the option.
That panel in the back. My friend the other day had a rear hitch mounted bike rack. He said it goes on and off super quick and when not using you just put the panel back on. You put something the bumper behind that panel an there are bike racks that can connect in and out really easy. I dont have all the details but the guy loved it.
No details here either but is the bike rack from tesla? Or has some 3rd party exploited that and made something that fits in there? If so then still no reason for Tesla to have it on north american cars.
Number of people on youtube refer to the hitch as a stealth hitch. Looks cool. Friend said the older versions of the M3, like the one i have, you can still get a stealth hitch installed but the have to cut a hole in panel underneath. He said tesla added panel to allow for stealth hitch installation.
I wonder if these saving costs are being under estimated, because every one of these parts has to be ordered, stocked, brought to the production line as well as the time for the operator to fit them. Every part you can eliminate is one less logistical problem.
You should just tell Elon you're gonna show up at the Fremont factory for a day to help with panel gaps. It would be entertaining 🙂. I'm literally in a Honda dealership getting an oil change right now, every single car here has perfect panel gaps. And taillight flushness for that matter... I've never looked at the tail lights in detail until your last video
Absolutely agree I just don’t get why they don’t think it’s a huge problem. Poor gaps makes the product just look cheap, you question it and then think right if they can’t do the fundamentals right like other car companies what else do they do poor. Friend just got a 2021 LR model 3 and shoddy rubber seal round the door, scratched interior plastic, a rear boot (Trunk) panel gap that was different side to side and one of his front doors were different side to side. Brand new Car and your walking round thinking yeah that’s poor, that’s damages and that needs fixed. It should be like this and I know other Car manufacturers don’t get it right all of the time but it is almost an expected thing with Tesla and that’s what puts me off ever buying a Tesla as my first EV as I notice everything.
So when you get a chance ask Honda how long did it take them to finally get those panel gaps perfected. The 85 Honda Accord was terribly built, trust me.
If you look at an assembly line setup, keeping the removable panel on the rear bumper actually makes sense since you don’t have to manufacture 2 separate panels which is costly in in itself. They probably did the cost analysis and discovered that it is more cost effective to just keep the same cover, with the removable panel, than having to design, manufacture, store etc. another one just for one market. Audi, and really all big Car makers do that all the time also.
The mercedes sprinter is one of the most customisable vehicle on earth, from pickup to mini van, van, long, short, extra long, high, 4x4, diesel/gas....... thats what tesla can't offer
A lot of people may say this is good but I personally am against it. I would very much would rather have those clips plugged in. Knowing very well that I am not gonna have a piece be falling off or gathering dirt over time.
Couldn’t agree more. It might be sort of good now, but after some years and maintenance when the covers had to be removed multiple times and reinstalled, they will get more deformed and just hang on. Well noted that it will definitely will be collecting and trapping mud there. Also, another possible point for annoying plastic rattling of loose parts.
@@catman1353 it’s probably not true, They will likely make new plastic Ehm. Thingies that no longer have the holes for the screws in em, Now it does kinda look like they forgot them due to the holes still being there though.
This is the same concept I've applied on software development for the past 19 years, pay attention to small details in architecture and performance and it will pay off rather sooner than later.
Carlos - computer programmers used to be paid by the KLOC = 1000 lines of code . back then Bigger Programs were considered better, TODAY they combine Multiple Instructions per line of Code. making the program smaller .
You know what would save Tesla money? Not having the mobile tech come out 2-3 times to fix silly issues that should be caught at the factory. That's not 20 cents a car, but probably more like $40 or more per visit. Takes a hell of a lot of fasteners to make up for that. Alone on my Y, the tech came out to realign the frunk which was making contact with body panels. Realign the hatch that refused to open because it was misaligned. Replace the rear spoiler because it started to fall off. It also spent 2 days at a service center because the wiring for the octo valve wasn't done correctly on the line. I understand that new cars aren't fallible, but the majority of the issues my Y had are commonly seen.
The story goes that some bloke got paid thousands to save match makers a load of money. He simply said to put sandpaper on one side only. Hopefully his service contract was legally watertight.
Mount a camera on those 'missing' fixings to see how much movement and rattle there is going over bumps. Removing fasteners while still keeping the original mounting points will usually just cause rattle.
Sandy @Munro Live ....I've watched you since way back during the Autoline days with John McElroy days. And back then, you were super critical about Tesla and the vehicles they were producing. And rightly so. Your critiques did upset me quite a bit, as I was 1) a Tesla shareholder since IPO day, 2) a Tesla fan boy, and 3) a brand new 2018 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD owner. However I knew your were right, even though it was tough to admit it on my part. However, all of your critiques about shoddy assembly, horrible paint, and imperfect gaps were SPOT ON. As much as I love my Model 3, would buy another one in a heartbeat and would recommend Tesla to everyone, everything you bring up as quality issues is in fact correct. I have similar issues on my sub 100,000 VIN Model 3. Despite my love for Tesla, when I show people my car and praise the amazing features of it, I will also bring up the quality issues that my car has, as well as show people (taillights mis-aligned, paint issues, etc). I know what you are doing is definitely helping Tesla become even better. You have some incredible ideas and suggestions for improving their cars. Your original Model 3 teardown video showed great areas for improvements, which Tesla acted upon (eg: rear trunk area, single casting). And your suggestions continue to make sense so Tesla can simplify production and reduce costs, labor and parts. I am looking forward to watching these new videos. People like you are what inspire people to excel and exceed !!
Another super post by the team at Munro... always always always feel smarter after watching Sandy present. Truly a Master Class in breaking things down to common sense that can be understood by all. (Now only if the Big 3 would listen more closely to his wisdom!)
It's easy that 17 X 4 is the same as 17 X 2 X 2. which is 34 X 2 which everyone knows is 68. Not amazing, even those Ford executives could probably do that with their MBA's moderately quickly.
Paul, I've been seriously thinking about installing an after market Stealth Hitch. But did you install it yourself or did you have it installed by a professional?
@@MunroLive Could you do something about that account impersonating you here on youtube? There is someone spreading a whatsapp number where they will try to scam people with.
@@zezizarjaars It's an issue I see on many TH-cam channels. Munro can't do something about that themselves. It's important everyone flags these comments as spam/scam. It's a problem all over TH-cam so it's really their job to learn from these flag comments and learns to stop it.
What happens if you drive thru some water or, most likely, snow. And you revers the car. Snow will get inside that plastic panel. Also is it worth the money saving, in this case, over the issues or bad reviews owners would throw? That panel should have a clip or something cheap to stay fit, not loose like that. As a customer I would believe that they forgot something to put in there.
Thank you for that quick look-around. My Model 3 (02/2020) already had those pushpins eliminated. I thought it was a mistake and asked the Service Center one day to give me two and I put them in.
I work for a company that has been in operation for over 100 years and we are starting to show signs of making "decisions by committee" as opposed to being more agile like a younger more disruptive company would. I've been with them for nearly 22 years and so I've actually felt this change happening over the course of my time there. I feel like for most companies this is practically inevitable as it's difficult to maintain a high level of change and openness as the company becomes larger and larger.
If eliminating necessary parts required for a quality product is what an MBA is all about, I would Never hire an MBA. In fact I would Hate everything an MBA is all about. I feel the push pins are necessary to stop vibration noise of the wind shield. I have taken my car to have this serviced three times until the dealer, who was familiar with this reoccurring problem, fixed it. Cost $300 each for the first two, on the road services, the dealership was free.
What a great resource this is for people preparing for a career in engineering or manufacturing. This video and this channel will improve the productivity of future manufacturing and design activities.
I like this type of breakdown. Working at an OEM myself, the biggest issue with implementing these projects is taking time from the engineers to work on more impactful projects. I’m all about these type of projects if you don’t have better ones to work on. Having said that, the change team usually brings that up as an excuse to not work on something.
@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn Um, have you seen every other car company? Elon is at least trying to make electric cars affordable for everyone which is why they must cut costs.
Hi Sandy. Perhaps a reason for that hatch under the rear aero plate is that Model 3 has had issues with mud, sand and rocks accumulating inside that part. It may be a clean out hatch to extract the buildup before the plastic piece or bumper rips off. Videos on YT show guys that have long unpaved driveways or who often drive on dirt roads have had to extract 10-12 lbs. of dirt that gets sucked up in there! A design flaw hopefully resolved on newer models.
I'm very excited to be watching this to see Mr. Munro's yeas and nays. I told the gal at the BBQ restaurant drive thru to keep the change. She was happy and looked forward to an after shift beer.
I love my tesla i own and S and X but i hate the gaps a lot, good thing is the service center can do some adjustment to make it a little bit better but still, cars with this price range should not have fitment issues.
One of the few channels that do engineering for mass production. Besides applying DFMA and BOM logic to these plugs, injection moulded panels can be further modified to refill those holes without adding massive cost or time, since it 'metal off' anyway.
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Quite exiting review for next coming weeks !! - One thing interesting to check would be the wheel alignment, so many people complain that the tires didn't lasted but I am sure the alignment was not correct. On my brand new Model 3, I noticed that all toe angles were out of range, which would increase the wear of the tires, however the other angles were in the range.
I don’t understand his problem with the hitch hatch. Cars made in Freemont are sold in North America without a tow package & Europe with a tow package, aren’t they? Having the hatch simplifies production & allows Americans to easily add an aftermarket hitch, if they want.
And more EU cars are made in beginning of each quarter (at least was so before) so they could have staged when to have each. Not Tesla's concern to provide benefits for aftermarket products.
removable panel for tow package is for after market tow packages. Tesla doesn't offer one from factory for Model 3 but there are aftermarket tow kits available. Also, I might be wrong but same panel for model Y which does have a tow package available.
Sandy, tow hitch or not: all the same undertray which is a wise choice. Besides, the one-piece undertray was designed badly, because of which when running fast through big waterpuddles the rear bumper came off in a few cases. So they redesigned and also considered it being better to make just 1 version undertray for both versions (tow-hitch installed or not)
I wouldn't be happy to spot something like that on my car, so is it *really* worth saving 17c? The panel is so loose that it might actually cause problems.
The front access panel is to allow access to the rear of the front bumper so a license plate can be attached to the car with real nuts and bolts through the bumper (instead of sheet metal screws just installed from the front) in order to prevent theft of the front license plate.
My michigander brother harping on the doors. You have me inspecting them now in California! You and your team are the best. Thanks for sharing your research!
It's not just a BOM cost that's being saved, but the cost to manufacture each of those plastic bits. You could probably calculate the energy saved and carbon footprint reduction by making vs not making those parts, plus the cost of electricity for the welded studs.
What has a larger cost savings for the rear bottom skirt. A single assembly line skirt SKU for all (w/ or w/o tow package), leading to simplified assembly process. Or 2 SKU's where some (w/ and w/o tow access door) receive the simplified less expensive skirt without tow access door. Thoughts? Reducing 'duplucate' parts with small variations will have some cost savings as well
Mr Monroe, I love viewing your videos, esp. the teardown of the previous Model 3 and Y. Learned a lot. I own a Mod 3 built April 2019. That rear panel is called, "Rear Fascia Diffuser, PN PRNS2043000586." The trap door is for vehicles like the X & Y to have a stealth hitch. That is the receiver is able to be removed as to restore the no hitch look. Cars after 2019 have this fascia. If someone wishes to purchase an aftermarket hitch, since Tesla doesn't sell one themselves. Then they can either cut a hole in the original OEM fascia which will allow dirt and grime in that area. Or buy a magnetic cover for the hole which I understand doesn't work well. Or for a cleaner more factory look buy the updated fascia from Tesla for cars prior to 2020.
Yes, tow package is available on the MY, but the M3 had this panel long before the MY. I added 2" receiver to my M3 for use of bike rack and cargo carrier. I love it for local trips... REALLY eats range at highway speed. Although completley invisible when not in use. stealthhitches.com/products/tesla-hitch-shr09001
My guess as to the purpose on the access panel at the underside rear is to deal with the issue of cleaning out the debris or trapped materials from driving that the Model 3 is known to suffer from (or pressure relief from water trapping at high speeds that pull off the rear panel) AND to provide access to the bumper for low weight towing or bike rack mounting.
Super excited about this series since I have this particular version of Model 3! Am happy to report the fit and finish was perfect on mine! (first thing I checked)
Great vid, sir! I don't believe that is only about the 17 cents. More is the impact to the production line, and installing these components can take several seconds, and if that slot is already overpopulated, these seconds really matter. Saving a few phases means saving on labor and making more cars per shift if it can be narrowed in few seconds.
I understand this kind of cost reduction logic specially in long term and mass production, but it gives the buyers the impression they are paying for a premium car that here and there the manufacturer played dirty and stole hidden bits and pieces for it's own profit.
Hi Sandy. I bought a little electric car from Shanghai for $1300.00. Can’t believe they can build it for that price. It’s quite nice for the money. However, it cost $2500.00 to get it here! It’s very similar to the Changli that you reviewed with Jolopnik last year.
Munro, you have to remember that some of their cars have the same classics. So it would cost more to have to make a different molding to accommodate each and every classics. And it cost a lot of money to run each and every different molding machine. One molding going to cost over $100,000 just to make one that covers the bottom only. And that's only good for about 100,000+ injecting before you have to make another one. So they are saving money by using the same molding on a few difference classics. So you are seeing a molding that might have been designed for the Model Y which has the Optional Tow package. When I worked at CANON I was able to save them over $10 million a month by changing the way things were done with the all their field Technician and their service contracts. I was also able to change their warehouse layout for when they did inventories, it use to take 30 people 3 days to count all the inventories. With the changes I made they were able to do the same work with 5 people over the weekend!
That living hinge is especially cool when you realize it's a polypropylene part. That plastic shrinks a lot during moulding. So, getting this sort of fit & finish is far from easy. Well done, Tesla manufacturing engineers.
Love seeing you do another tear down and with the new refresh Model 3. Can’t wait for more! I find it fascinating to hear all the improvements they do more so compared to other car companies you’ve mentioned that do very little even after a year. I’ll be most curious to hear what you have to say after your analysis of what changes have been made that make the biggest impact on the refresh model to become more efficient compared to the previous design. I only know/remember of the new heat pump from Model Y has been implemented and slight change in the aero wheel design.
the access plate is because there IS a towing package on the Model Y, and, the parts commonality between the 3 and the Y mean the shield had to have an access panel. If one needs it, they all get it :)
Sandy. Another perspective on rear plastic cover. The small savings you presented about the pins and nuts on the front, I also believe the back plastic cover is also a potential savings. Remember Freemont still builds for almost all markets, splitting up the line to where what needs plastic access cover and which one doesnt is offset by simplicity and speed.
The undercarriage part w/access panel from Tesla is $135, if you're among the unfortunate few that didn't get the precut access panel AND want to install a hitch. stealthhitches.com/products/tesla-hitch-shr09001 Yes, Tesla could save $$ by not including this feature AND they could make a few $$ by selling it later. However, having a single part is worth something too, right? And those of us that have taken advantage are very grateful for its inclusion.
Great update Sandy. My experience is, unless Senior Management & Executive have had career episodes in their earlier lives where they have been individually accountable to watch the pennies and save on cost and complexity, you don't have a lean culture, role-modeling or DNA, nor competitive systems nor competitive future. I truly believe that innovation, lean methodology and DMAIC are happening at warp speed at TSLA. They are administering Engineering Change Mgt at a velocity never seen prior in automotive. Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.
My 2019 Model 3 doesn't have fasteners in those two holes behind the front wheels either. It also has the same welded stamping upper control arms like this 2021 model, versus the earlier tube + ends type. It seems like they must have figured out that they don't need those fasteners pretty early on.
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Sandy is one of those guys that not only knows what he’s talking about but also makes you feel exited about learning 😄
The same!
Agreed
Facts
*leaves learning behind* I'm aways exited a butt leaning
@Scott Luther 😉
Sandy was the reason I didnt buy a Model 3 in 2018, 2019, or 2020. But he's also the reason I did buy a 2022 model. This series finally made be feel okay to buy one. Sure there are still minor issues. But nothing that seems too concerning. Love this guy.
How is yours holding up?
Only one channel where true production details are understood at the mass manufacturing level, super interesting to see its application and so well presented by Sandy and team. No BS.
Wow, thank you Graham. Glad you enjoyed this episode.
Go look up AvE.
Also consider the savings in administering the procurement and storage of those small items. It all adds up to the savings.
I've delivered boxes of little parts like that for thousands of $$ and they ordered them on a bi weekly basis....
@@joeziahbabb supply chain logistics get complicated sometimes though. A factory can have a bad batch, the place can get shut down, small parts need to be shipped to all the service centers to help with repairs and the service center technicians need to do extra labor to install those extra parts
@MUNRO LIVE lol, what a fake account
They probably have injection moulding machines on premises for those small items ( i would )
And also also consider the throughput on the production line. I don't know how long time a car is on the production line but lets say 1h. Then maybe you can shave 30-60s off of that hour by not having to add those gadgets.
Sandy really strikes the perfect balance between technical and accessible in his talks.
I had a neighbor who “engineered” at Ford. During the Taurus run, (a pretty successful offering), my neighbor would complain about the changes to certain parts that originally were metal, being replaced by plastic. He would warn the cost reducers that the parts would fail in a much shorter time. Their response was “as long as it’s past the warranty, we don’t care”. Yes, there were incremental savings but not for the consumer.
I do appreciate the way Mr Munroe keeps on championing those retailers who continue working during the Global crisis, not that I am one. You have public accolades for many sectors working selfishly even putting their lives in Danger yet no one but him seems to care about the people making sure you can actually eat.
He is an industry leader runs his own successful company and no doubt has the funds to eat at a Michelin Star restaurant every day of his life, yet it says a lot for his character that this does not effect him and he treats people no matter how lowly a job they have as human beings.
A business owner I worked for said “watch out for the penny’s and the dollars will take care of themselves”. Sandy just demonstrated how true that was.
I know someone named Leroy who says exactly that!
$$ Customer Satisfaction $$
Push pins reduce wind noise. My own experience.
@@Papa-bh6zq correct...see my other post.
You worked for Ben Franklin?
@@stevemack7110 apparently my old boss was a fan of ‘old Ben 🙂
Totally a master of his profession, yet always clear and common sense explanations.
Your first finding - I’m happy it’s there. It means customers can put on a 3rd party tow hitch without having to replace the plastic air shield or have an ugly cut out.
to be honest tho who wants to tow with a electric sadan? in my opinion the m3 LR has just enough miles to ease a bit of range anxiety (over 300 useable) and we know towing kills range in EV but what could you tow? 3000 maxium?
@@Capthrax1 You’d be surprised. There are quite a few people that tow with them. Efficiency is terrible, but people do it
@@ChargingForward seems like aneasy fix? Erect a vertical integration building next to the current one and problem solved? Maybe they are waiting for starship. From what ive seen it will be vertical
@@Capthrax1 bicycle trip with the family? Not too far, tow bar bicycle rack. Will indeed kill range but for shorter trips it's nice to have the option.
@@ZesPak never thought of a bicycle rack. that would be perfecticaly suited for that car not much wind resistance not much weight.
That panel in the back. My friend the other day had a rear hitch mounted bike rack. He said it goes on and off super quick and when not using you just put the panel back on. You put something the bumper behind that panel an there are bike racks that can connect in and out really easy. I dont have all the details but the guy loved it.
Sweet.
No details here either but is the bike rack from tesla? Or has some 3rd party exploited that and made something that fits in there? If so then still no reason for Tesla to have it on north american cars.
Number of people on youtube refer to the hitch as a stealth hitch. Looks cool. Friend said the older versions of the M3, like the one i have, you can still get a stealth hitch installed but the have to cut a hole in panel underneath. He said tesla added panel to allow for stealth hitch installation.
I am not a mechanic, however, it worries me to have the corner just hanging there. I would prefer to pay 17 cents extra for the studs and push nuts.
I wonder if these saving costs are being under estimated, because every one of these parts has to be ordered, stocked, brought to the production line as well as the time for the operator to fit them. Every part you can eliminate is one less logistical problem.
Let's not forget the allocated floor space for the machines and conveyance either. Every square meter/feet counts and costs as well.
Yes. That is the real gain here. Not the tiny difference in cost savings.
Can't wait to see what you can do to help Aptera reduce cost and production time!!
You and me both!
And get an actual product to market soon!
Aptera and Arcimoto. I'm seeing an Arcimoto in my future.
I hope he's able to help Aptera get to market soon with a streamlined product, it may very well be my next commuter car.
@@bobwallace9753 Aptera and Nobe.
You should just tell Elon you're gonna show up at the Fremont factory for a day to help with panel gaps. It would be entertaining 🙂. I'm literally in a Honda dealership getting an oil change right now, every single car here has perfect panel gaps. And taillight flushness for that matter... I've never looked at the tail lights in detail until your last video
Dont look at a Dodge.
Absolutely agree I just don’t get why they don’t think it’s a huge problem. Poor gaps makes the product just look cheap, you question it and then think right if they can’t do the fundamentals right like other car companies what else do they do poor. Friend just got a 2021 LR model 3 and shoddy rubber seal round the door, scratched interior plastic, a rear boot (Trunk) panel gap that was different side to side and one of his front doors were different side to side. Brand new Car and your walking round thinking yeah that’s poor, that’s damages and that needs fixed. It should be like this and I know other Car manufacturers don’t get it right all of the time but it is almost an expected thing with Tesla and that’s what puts me off ever buying a Tesla as my first EV as I notice everything.
So when you get a chance ask Honda how long did it take them to finally get those panel gaps perfected. The 85 Honda Accord was terribly built, trust me.
I have a Bolt and it does not have very good panel gaps. But then its a Chevy...
How’s the oil dilution, ac compressor and transmission problems?
"The best part is no part. The best process is no process. It weighs nothing, costs nothing, can't go wrong." - Elon Musk
@@thealienrobotanthropologist tell that to German car engineers 😉
2025 TESLA = 3D Printed.
@@markplott4820 Too slow and expensive.
Unfortunately it also does nothing... :(
So the best car is no car. It weighs nothing, costs nothing, can’t go wrong. 😂
Thank you for the excellent videos Mr. Munro! I really enjoyed the component cost breakdown over time.
He's worth every penny
If you look at an assembly line setup, keeping the removable panel on the rear bumper actually makes sense since you don’t have to manufacture 2 separate panels which is costly in in itself. They probably did the cost analysis and discovered that it is more cost effective to just keep the same cover, with the removable panel, than having to design, manufacture, store etc. another one just for one market. Audi, and really all big Car makers do that all the time also.
Also less complexity managing BOM, supply chain, storage etc.
and less steps on the production line which makes it smaller which means you don't need as much factory space
@@jearlblah5169 which means less options for the customer........
The mercedes sprinter is one of the most customisable vehicle on earth, from pickup to mini van, van, long, short, extra long, high, 4x4, diesel/gas....... thats what tesla can't offer
Thanks for the amazing breakdown on how the little things can add up!
But, what is customer satisfaction worth? Eliminating push pins causes wind noise, and required service calls! My own experience.
7:55-8:30 “Here’s the deal, boys & girls”. Sandy held that marker with such conviction! Gotta love this guy.
Would love to see a video on the made in china models
Will you help out with the shipping costs? ;-)
YESSS>. a comparison from USA to China model would be great to see. I bet people would lose their minds if they find out China has the better car. lol
@@gwarlow Just fly to Sweden :P They should have a chinese Model 3s and not much travel restrictions!
As a shareholder id rather he not 👀😂
@@bigmurph8069 Why? From what I am hearing they are actually better than Cali built.
This is why I follow Sandy!!! Truth!!! thanks Sandy it means a LOT!!!
Thanks John.
I had them put the hatch into my 2018 model 3 so I could put a hidden hitch on it. I wish it had it originally it would have saved me $135.
School
Me: Yawn!!!
Sandy: „Class is in session, boy’s and girl’s.”
Me: Finally!!! 🤩
A lot of people may say this is good but I personally am against it. I would very much would rather have those clips plugged in. Knowing very well that I am not gonna have a piece be falling off or gathering dirt over time.
Couldn’t agree more. It might be sort of good now, but after some years and maintenance when the covers had to be removed multiple times and reinstalled, they will get more deformed and just hang on. Well noted that it will definitely will be collecting and trapping mud there. Also, another possible point for annoying plastic rattling of loose parts.
And you bet you still pay for the clips!
I could watch this guy dissect Teslas all day. Cant wait for the same thing with Cybertruck!!!
Cybertruck will be very interesting👍
Someone in the factory watching this now” whoops I forgot to put those in,... Ehm. Elon! I did it for cost savings!” Hehe
I really hope that's not true, funny comment nonetheless.
@@catman1353 it’s probably not true,
They will likely make new plastic Ehm. Thingies that no longer have the holes for the screws in em,
Now it does kinda look like they forgot them due to the holes still being there though.
This is the same concept I've applied on software development for the past 19 years, pay attention to small details in architecture and performance and it will pay off rather sooner than later.
Always code like the next guy is a homicidal maniac that knows where you live :)
@@christianvanderstap6257 😂😂 that phrase was at the footer of my resume, and yes that's how I try to do it.
Carlos - computer programmers used to be paid by the KLOC = 1000 lines of code .
back then Bigger Programs were considered better, TODAY they combine Multiple Instructions per line of Code.
making the program smaller .
This is awesome.
Really informative and detailed.
Keeping it Impartial love it. Constructive criticism is a fundamental element in evolution.
Thanks, will do!
You know what would save Tesla money? Not having the mobile tech come out 2-3 times to fix silly issues that should be caught at the factory. That's not 20 cents a car, but probably more like $40 or more per visit. Takes a hell of a lot of fasteners to make up for that. Alone on my Y, the tech came out to realign the frunk which was making contact with body panels. Realign the hatch that refused to open because it was misaligned. Replace the rear spoiler because it started to fall off. It also spent 2 days at a service center because the wiring for the octo valve wasn't done correctly on the line. I understand that new cars aren't fallible, but the majority of the issues my Y had are commonly seen.
$68k per year just paid the salary of the guy who made the suggestion. That’s how I look at it.
I hope that guy has dozens more suggestions
Not really
The story goes that some bloke got paid thousands to save match makers a load of money. He simply said to put sandpaper on one side only.
Hopefully his service contract was legally watertight.
FORD and GM need to CLEAN HOUSE and FIRE all the OLD gas car Engineers and hire from the BEST Schools.
@@markplott4820
To late tesla and spacex already has the pick of the crop
Mount a camera on those 'missing' fixings to see how much movement and rattle there is going over bumps. Removing fasteners while still keeping the original mounting points will usually just cause rattle.
This is great! That helps to see the "real" improvements not just the cosmetic changes.
Sandy @Munro Live ....I've watched you since way back during the Autoline days with John McElroy days. And back then, you were super critical about Tesla and the vehicles they were producing. And rightly so. Your critiques did upset me quite a bit, as I was 1) a Tesla shareholder since IPO day, 2) a Tesla fan boy, and 3) a brand new 2018 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD owner. However I knew your were right, even though it was tough to admit it on my part.
However, all of your critiques about shoddy assembly, horrible paint, and imperfect gaps were SPOT ON. As much as I love my Model 3, would buy another one in a heartbeat and would recommend Tesla to everyone, everything you bring up as quality issues is in fact correct. I have similar issues on my sub 100,000 VIN Model 3. Despite my love for Tesla, when I show people my car and praise the amazing features of it, I will also bring up the quality issues that my car has, as well as show people (taillights mis-aligned, paint issues, etc).
I know what you are doing is definitely helping Tesla become even better. You have some incredible ideas and suggestions for improving their cars. Your original Model 3 teardown video showed great areas for improvements, which Tesla acted upon (eg: rear trunk area, single casting). And your suggestions continue to make sense so Tesla can simplify production and reduce costs, labor and parts.
I am looking forward to watching these new videos. People like you are what inspire people to excel and exceed !!
Another super post by the team at Munro... always always always feel smarter after watching Sandy present. Truly a Master Class in breaking things down to common sense that can be understood by all. (Now only if the Big 3 would listen more closely to his wisdom!)
Thanks Paul.
6:04 love the way he drew that 4 lol
@Scott Luther it's really curvy
Sandy amazed me with his multiplying speed.
Your probably joking.. you realize he has the numbers off camera to look at :)
@@adamfilip Naaww I have faith in Sandy back me up Sandy.
It's easy that 17 X 4 is the same as 17 X 2 X 2. which is 34 X 2 which everyone knows is 68. Not amazing, even those Ford executives could probably do that with their MBA's moderately quickly.
Keep bringing the hits, Sandy! I love your content!
@MUNRO LIVE scam....
Yea, I blocked that imposter.
Always look for the verification check-mark.
Thank you! Yes, haters and scammers everywhere these days. Can't wait to get my Cybertruck!!! I only reserved one, tho... ;)
@MUNRO LIVE please also tell Toyota they should buy Aptera!!! They could make a 4-wheel version and every single Prius owner would jump for it!!!
I have a aftermarket hitch I installed made by stealth, that hatch is awesome for when it’s not in use. The hitch is well made and easy to install!
Paul, I've been seriously thinking about installing an after market Stealth Hitch. But did you install it yourself or did you have it installed by a professional?
@@Renebq I did the install myself! It’s pretty simple installing it, I wish I made a video on it but I’m sure there’s a few more on it now!
This channel makes me excited about going to university next year, great work!
Thanks Fansl!
@@MunroLive Could you do something about that account impersonating you here on youtube? There is someone spreading a whatsapp number where they will try to scam people with.
@@zezizarjaars It's an issue I see on many TH-cam channels. Munro can't do something about that themselves. It's important everyone flags these comments as spam/scam. It's a problem all over TH-cam so it's really their job to learn from these flag comments and learns to stop it.
@@michielecker Oke, I hoped he could ignore him or something so nobody could see the comments any more ;). Wishfull thinking.
Get an internship at tesla first then go to uni
What happens if you drive thru some water or, most likely, snow. And you revers the car. Snow will get inside that plastic panel. Also is it worth the money saving, in this case, over the issues or bad reviews owners would throw? That panel should have a clip or something cheap to stay fit, not loose like that. As a customer I would believe that they forgot something to put in there.
Thank you for that quick look-around. My Model 3 (02/2020) already had those pushpins eliminated. I thought it was a mistake and asked the Service Center one day to give me two and I put them in.
I work for a company that has been in operation for over 100 years and we are starting to show signs of making "decisions by committee" as opposed to being more agile like a younger more disruptive company would. I've been with them for nearly 22 years and so I've actually felt this change happening over the course of my time there. I feel like for most companies this is practically inevitable as it's difficult to maintain a high level of change and openness as the company becomes larger and larger.
Watching Sandy is more informative than getting a MBA.
If eliminating necessary parts required for a quality product is what an MBA is all about, I would Never hire an MBA. In fact I would Hate everything an MBA is all about. I feel the push pins are necessary to stop vibration noise of the wind shield. I have taken my car to have this serviced three times until the dealer, who was familiar with this reoccurring problem, fixed it. Cost $300 each for the first two, on the road services, the dealership was free.
What a great resource this is for people preparing for a career in engineering or manufacturing. This video and this channel will improve the productivity of future manufacturing and design activities.
Bravo, can’t get enough!
It is amazing how many changes Munro can see at a glance.
Nice job, looking forward to see it being dismantled.
Thanks Casper.
If it's my car, I want those push nuts/pins on the under tray! 😁
Or at least a tab fit
No flappy flappy please...
Mine is 2020 and i hope i have them 😂
See my other post about this
As a car mechanic if i had it up on the lift,
I would report it as missing the plugs
That's fine, but you will have to pay an extra $340,000
@@danielstapler4315 Good thing I’m good at DIY! 😝
Thanks Sandy, and everyone at Munro Assoc.
Always appreciate your videos and insights, thank you for all that you guys do.
I like this type of breakdown. Working at an OEM myself, the biggest issue with implementing these projects is taking time from the engineers to work on more impactful projects. I’m all about these type of projects if you don’t have better ones to work on. Having said that, the change team usually brings that up as an excuse to not work on something.
“The best part is NO PART!” - Elon Musk
en best step is no step #elonmusk
Best car is no car. Robotaxi for all.
@@jmatt98 no more traffic en boringcompany wil solve that too !!!! best way is with hyperloop
Tesla cutting costs = GREED = bad for the consumer! "F" Musk!
@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn Um, have you seen every other car company? Elon is at least trying to make electric cars affordable for everyone which is why they must cut costs.
Hi Sandy. Perhaps a reason for that hatch under the rear aero plate is that Model 3 has had issues with mud, sand and rocks accumulating inside that part. It may be a clean out hatch to extract the buildup before the plastic piece or bumper rips off. Videos on YT show guys that have long unpaved driveways or who often drive on dirt roads have had to extract 10-12 lbs. of dirt that gets sucked up in there!
A design flaw hopefully resolved on newer models.
hope those deleted parts are not a source of future vibration noise
I'm very excited to be watching this to see Mr. Munro's yeas and nays.
I told the gal at the BBQ restaurant drive thru to keep the change. She was happy and looked forward to an after shift beer.
I love my tesla i own and S and X but i hate the gaps a lot, good thing is the service center can do some adjustment to make it a little bit better but still, cars with this price range should not have fitment issues.
Sandy reminds me of my engineering teacher in New Zealand. Always exciting to learn from him.
Anyone else ready to see Munro whipping around in the Cyber Truck?
we are.
One of the few channels that do engineering for mass production.
Besides applying DFMA and BOM logic to these plugs, injection moulded panels can be further modified to refill those holes without adding massive cost or time, since it 'metal off' anyway.
May 23, 2001 -- The American Airline olive has become business lore. In the 1980s, Robert Crandall, then head of the airline, cleverly calculated that if you removed just one olive from every salad served to passengers, nobody would notice … and the airline would save $100,000 a year
Quite exiting review for next coming weeks !!
- One thing interesting to check would be the wheel alignment, so many people complain that the tires didn't lasted but I am sure the alignment was not correct.
On my brand new Model 3, I noticed that all toe angles were out of range, which would increase the wear of the tires, however the other angles were in the range.
I don’t understand his problem with the hitch hatch. Cars made in Freemont are sold in North America without a tow package & Europe with a tow package, aren’t they? Having the hatch simplifies production & allows Americans to easily add an aftermarket hitch, if they want.
He did say that, he said why tesla did it but if you think about it tesla sells more cars I'm the US than EU at the moment.
And more EU cars are made in beginning of each quarter (at least was so before) so they could have staged when to have each. Not Tesla's concern to provide benefits for aftermarket products.
The bottom rear access panel breaks away so puddles don’t rip the bumper off.
removable panel for tow package is for after market tow packages. Tesla doesn't offer one from factory for Model 3 but there are aftermarket tow kits available. Also, I might be wrong but same panel for model Y which does have a tow package available.
Sandy, tow hitch or not: all the same undertray which is a wise choice. Besides, the one-piece undertray was designed badly, because of which when running fast through big waterpuddles the rear bumper came off in a few cases. So they redesigned and also considered it being better to make just 1 version undertray for both versions (tow-hitch installed or not)
Hello. Why aren’t you interested in the lack of corrosion protection?
Because steel and aluminum doesn't corrode very much?
I wouldn't be happy to spot something like that on my car, so is it *really* worth saving 17c? The panel is so loose that it might actually cause problems.
The right side seems to be correct. Sandy might have pulled on the left to see how much it took and then form an opinion to show.
The front access panel is to allow access to the rear of the front bumper so a license plate can be attached to the car with real nuts and bolts through the bumper (instead of sheet metal screws just installed from the front) in order to prevent theft of the front license plate.
I already know this series will be (and already is) great to watch and learn. Keep it up Sandy!
My michigander brother harping on the doors. You have me inspecting them now in California!
You and your team are the best. Thanks for sharing your research!
Right on!
It's not just a BOM cost that's being saved, but the cost to manufacture each of those plastic bits. You could probably calculate the energy saved and carbon footprint reduction by making vs not making those parts, plus the cost of electricity for the welded studs.
What has a larger cost savings for the rear bottom skirt. A single assembly line skirt SKU for all (w/ or w/o tow package), leading to simplified assembly process. Or 2 SKU's where some (w/ and w/o tow access door) receive the simplified less expensive skirt without tow access door. Thoughts? Reducing 'duplucate' parts with small variations will have some cost savings as well
Third-parts towing kits are available such as etrailor's 2" receiver and stealth hitch. These need the access panel for quick attachment & removal.
the small door on the underbelly is a sacrificing part to avoid the bumper bieng pull out under certain condition like allot of water intake
Mr Monroe, I love viewing your videos, esp. the teardown of the previous Model 3 and Y. Learned a lot. I own a Mod 3 built April 2019. That rear panel is called, "Rear Fascia Diffuser, PN PRNS2043000586." The trap door is for vehicles like the X & Y to have a stealth hitch. That is the receiver is able to be removed as to restore the no hitch look. Cars after 2019 have this fascia. If someone wishes to purchase an aftermarket hitch, since Tesla doesn't sell one themselves. Then they can either cut a hole in the original OEM fascia which will allow dirt and grime in that area. Or buy a magnetic cover for the hole which I understand doesn't work well. Or for a cleaner more factory look buy the updated fascia from Tesla for cars prior to 2020.
I'd assume the rear access panel is because they use the same part on the Model Y which can have a hitch, so cost savings.
Yes, tow package is available on the MY, but the M3 had this panel long before the MY. I added 2" receiver to my M3 for use of bike rack and cargo carrier. I love it for local trips... REALLY eats range at highway speed. Although completley invisible when not in use.
stealthhitches.com/products/tesla-hitch-shr09001
Access panel may be a pressure relief to keep water from damaging panels when driving through deep puddles.
My guess as to the purpose on the access panel at the underside rear is to deal with the issue of cleaning out the debris or trapped materials from driving that the Model 3 is known to suffer from (or pressure relief from water trapping at high speeds that pull off the rear panel) AND to provide access to the bumper for low weight towing or bike rack mounting.
There is an aftermarket hitch that fits my 2020. The receiver for towing or for a bike rack can be put on and removed through the access panel.
Cant wait to see if they have applied the giant casting on M3!
You guys should do a podcast with Rob on Tesla Daily! Keep up the great work!
that back panel is for when you decide to put a towbar on
when they did not have it on the earlier model you had to cut
a hole there
Love Munro Live - the best thing to come out of the pandemic.
Absolutely love the content and the approach of your videos. Engaging, thought provoking and entertaining! I subscribed after just one video.
Super excited about this series since I have this particular version of Model 3! Am happy to report the fit and finish was perfect on mine! (first thing I checked)
Thank you Munro and team! Appreciate the time and effort you put into these educational videos that I really enjoy. Cheers!
Great vid, sir! I don't believe that is only about the 17 cents. More is the impact to the production line, and installing these components can take several seconds, and if that slot is already overpopulated, these seconds really matter. Saving a few phases means saving on labor and making more cars per shift if it can be narrowed in few seconds.
I understand this kind of cost reduction logic specially in long term and mass production, but it gives the buyers the impression they are paying for a premium car that here and there the manufacturer played dirty and stole hidden bits and pieces for it's own profit.
It is like IKEA when you have missing parts. 😂 Oh-noes 🙉
@@abraxastulammo9940 So true.
Hi Sandy. I bought a little electric car from Shanghai for $1300.00. Can’t believe they can build it for that price. It’s quite nice for the money. However, it cost $2500.00 to get it here! It’s very similar to the Changli that you reviewed with Jolopnik last year.
Munro, you have to remember that some of their cars have the same classics. So it would cost more to have to make a different molding to accommodate each and every classics. And it cost a lot of money to run each and every different molding machine. One molding going to cost over $100,000 just to make one that covers the bottom only. And that's only good for about 100,000+ injecting before you have to make another one. So they are saving money by using the same molding on a few difference classics. So you are seeing a molding that might have been designed for the Model Y which has the Optional Tow package. When I worked at CANON I was able to save them over $10 million a month by changing the way things were done with the all their field Technician and their service contracts. I was also able to change their warehouse layout for when they did inventories, it use to take 30 people 3 days to count all the inventories. With the changes I made they were able to do the same work with 5 people over the weekend!
That living hinge is especially cool when you realize it's a polypropylene part. That plastic shrinks a lot during moulding. So, getting this sort of fit & finish is far from easy. Well done, Tesla manufacturing engineers.
Love seeing you do another tear down and with the new refresh Model 3. Can’t wait for more! I find it fascinating to hear all the improvements they do more so compared to other car companies you’ve mentioned that do very little even after a year. I’ll be most curious to hear what you have to say after your analysis of what changes have been made that make the biggest impact on the refresh model to become more efficient compared to the previous design. I only know/remember of the new heat pump from Model Y has been implemented and slight change in the aero wheel design.
If the pins aren’t needed, why are the holes still there?
Because changing the molds for the part is BIG money.
the access plate is because there IS a towing package on the Model Y, and, the parts commonality between the 3 and the Y mean the shield had to have an access panel. If one needs it, they all get it :)
Why you sell your TSLA shares Sandy? They didn't eliminate those fasteners they just forgot them or ran out.
Sandy. Another perspective on rear plastic cover. The small savings you presented about the pins and nuts on the front, I also believe the back plastic cover is also a potential savings.
Remember Freemont still builds for almost all markets, splitting up the line to where what needs plastic access cover and which one doesnt is offset by simplicity and speed.
The undercarriage part w/access panel from Tesla is $135, if you're among the unfortunate few that didn't get the precut access panel AND want to install a hitch. stealthhitches.com/products/tesla-hitch-shr09001
Yes, Tesla could save $$ by not including this feature AND they could make a few $$ by selling it later. However, having a single part is worth something too, right? And those of us that have taken advantage are very grateful for its inclusion.
Thank you, Sandy!!!!! Have a great day!
Great update Sandy.
My experience is, unless Senior Management & Executive have had career episodes in their earlier lives where they have been individually accountable to watch the pennies and save on cost and complexity, you don't have a lean culture, role-modeling or DNA, nor competitive systems nor competitive future.
I truly believe that innovation, lean methodology and DMAIC are happening at warp speed at TSLA. They are administering Engineering Change Mgt at a velocity never seen prior in automotive.
Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.
My 2019 Model 3 doesn't have fasteners in those two holes behind the front wheels either. It also has the same welded stamping upper control arms like this 2021 model, versus the earlier tube + ends type. It seems like they must have figured out that they don't need those fasteners pretty early on.