Josh Pate On SEC & Big Ten Major Changes Looming (Late Kick Cut)
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- College Football has seen a ton of transition and upheaval over the past few years with conference expansion and more seemingly on the horizon. Josh Pate took some time on Late Kick Live Ep 389 to discuss the latest rumblings that we may not be done seeing the SEC and Big Ten swell in size in a move that could end up in a true "power two" structure. Could we see College Football's premiere conferences split off entirely and form their own league complete with self-governance, an NIL structure, and shared media rights package? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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It’s ironic that the ACC might be destroyed by the conference realignment process that it largely started in 2004 when it gutted the Big East.
It started before that when big 8 gutted the SWC and killed it. That was the first time a power conference died.
Arkansas leaving the SWC and joining the SEC actually is lowkey one of the biggest moments in college football history. It, along with South Carolina joining, directly and/or indirectly leads to conference championship games, the fall of the SWC/creation of the Big 12 and the idea of poaching dying conferences in the modern era.
Penn State joining the Big Ten started this domino effect. In 1990.
@Sam Malone Penn State was an independent though. And it didn't change the structure of the Big Ten. They just added a formerly conference-less team, which happened quite a bit before. So not really a big domino effect.
@@sammalone6714 They weren’t the only independent joining a conference at this time though. Miami, Pitt, Florida State, and Syracuse. All joining conferences in early 90’was the end of independence as a viable option.
For as many good games as the SEC/Big 10 create there will still be a lot of bad games too. It’s true in the NFL too. I don’t think we need a lesser NFL at the expense of the tradition that many soon to be abandoned colleges have. The fact that college football is different is what makes it compelling - the rivalries, the Davids’ beating the Goliaths’ and more. Money is killing the brand. My toe is in the water today. I can’t say I’d support it tomorrow.
even in the nfl the texans can beat the chiefs. the term any given sunday is based off the nfl. do we say the same for georgia vs kennesaw state?
Agreed. I've become less and less interested, particularly as the games drag on with endless commercial timeouts. I loved the WWF in the late 80s, and the NBA in the 90s - gave them up for various reasons, and couldn't care less now.
They may be headed to a lot less viewers if this comes to pass. I think the Big10 greed is driving this. They may believe if they don't drive it to a P2 that eventually they lose power and money. The Sec and Acc win more championships in the Ncaa. Not just in football and basketball. If I was the Acc I would stay together and work to knock the Big 10 down and take over number 2.
At this point, the SEC should just buy the Sun Belt and Conference USA and make them into a 'minor league' to feed the SEC and a similar proposition of the Big10 buying Mid-America and doing the same thing. Perhaps heading toward a two-tier college system with one being a 'minor league' where the players can from high school and even 'jump up' to the SEC/B10 conference in theory.
Not only have a minor league but put a English Soccer relegation system in where under performing teams get demoted to the minor leagues. Why should Vanderbilt be getting SEC money? Same for Northwestern in the Big 10. Teams having bad years (Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas A&M ) could face having a really bad year if demoted into the minors. Plus it gives teams who are over achieving in the minors a path to the majors.
@@donparnell309 yes, exactly this. A "regulation" type of system. You do well, you move up/stay, you do poor/are bad, you stay down. Of course, money is always an issue, the poor would still have enough money to stay "in business," but if you do well, you're "rewarded." How that will be done if that's what happens, who knows, smarter people than me can figure that out.
It may be like Minor League Baseball scenario. Some College programs but most would play in "Minor Leagues".
Yup .. an FBS1 big boys league and an FBS2 minor leagues
So when will the extra cable package come when you pay extra to view blackout games, like the NFL. 🙄
Money killed college football!
We love college football because it’s unique. This goes against that premise. It’s so obviously bloated with money at this point. Sad.
And what is also obvious is that they only want a select few teams to have all of that money.
I wish we could go back to the power 5, keeping regionality. I personally hate the modern NFL and love the college game.
Too late for that now. Pac12 teams going to the Big 10. More on the way. Big 12 teams going to SEC. Remember when WV went to Big 12 ? I really wish we could've had a big East in CFB. Pitt & Syracuse with Temple, Rutgers, BC, PSU, etc. would've liked Notre Dame in Big 10.
@@robertadams6606 Yes I agree, wish the Big East football conference still existed.
4:42 “There is one group that thinks it’s all bad there’s another group that thinks it’s all good. I’m usually the one in the middle.” -MeeMaw with another life lesson to JP
This is going to lead to more rematches than the sport has ever seen. Expanded playoff plus the Big Two
Things aren't really resolved in the ACC.. you are right about that
This scenario would probably end up with a college football players union as well.
As well as it should be. This is going to change college football. There will be a NFL model going forward. I think there will only be 80 team tops. Probably 60 and I love it. If they paid these athletes decades ago. This wouldn't have happened 😂😂😂
Will not be a Union. Minor League Baseball players don't belong to a Union.
@@robertadams6606 The money in college football dwarfs that of minor league baseball for one. It is also incorrect to say the minor leagues don't have a union. They have many rules that are part of the MLB CBA and if I am not mistaken just this year a union for the minor leagues has started.
@@jonathanadamietz6508 False. They don't have a Union. Recheck your source. College Football will not get one. They may have rules that are a part of MLB CBA. But they have no say over any of the issues.
@@robertadams6606 Guess again, on 3/31/23 the minor league players ratified their new CBA. They 100% are in a union. So you are incorrect in your statement. Not that the fact they have a union or not has the slightest bit to do with an eventual CFB union. The kind of money that is in CFB dwarfs that of minor league BB that mere fact alone raises the chances of a union forming.
I am beginning to lose interest due to the TV money, ESPN, NIL, transfer portal, etc.
Two huge conferences= AFC and NFC
They’re trying to turn college football into the NFL product. Everybody likes college football because it is different
No they like college football bc it’s a completely different game. Young hungry recruits completely changing a teams identity every 4 years. The nfl is mostly the same players on the same teams every year. College literally will never be like that
I love how Josh thinks bakers start at 9 am 😆
I thought they closed up shop at 9:00 a.m. hehehe
We are already in a Power 2 conference.
So you're saying this could be a LIV golf or European Super League scenario where the top 50 or so programs basically become a pantheon.
I hope it doesnt work out to be basically 2 conferences and leave everyone else behind
We are heading to a scenario like "Rollerball" (1975). 😆
"Houston! Houston!" "To-Ky-O! To-Ky-O!"
If College Football goes to a power 2 conference, why even have conferences anymore. If everyone is in the same club, why have a club.
It’s been power two for 20 years
It's been Power 1 + USC, then Ohio State for 20 years.
Worth considering having conference tiers. 30 teams in big 10, 30 in the SEC. Then relegate the bottom 3-5, much like premier league in soccer.
I think college football becoming NFL jr really devalues the product. It would lose everything that makes it unique and it would just be a worse version of the NFL. Why would anyone want to watch that?
I think everyone made that comment about the B1G and the SEC as soon as the Texas and Oklahoma announcement was made. Your opinion then was the opinion across the board.
Any program that requires support from other programs to survive, should not be fielding an football team to begin with.
In an ideal world there would not be more than 48 teams competing at the highest level.
And seriously? You’re worried about loss of jobs to be the reason to keep the status quo?
all collage ball is now, is the minor league of the nfl
how much do we have to get the best players, 40,50,000 a yr in scholarship doesn't cut it any longer
No, the scholarship doesn't cut it but I'm not even sure it ever did. Its not like we ever put any emphasis on it. But the NCAA is what made it different from the NFL. It's just that the fans didn't care about the student part of "student-athlete" and we should have. Because, again, it's what made college football different from the NFL. How often do you see people who prefer college over pro football. All the time, right? Do you ever see the reverse? No, never.
big 3 with 24 teams each as tier one and independent national
championship. Tier 2 group of five. best of both worlds. Quality games and basic regional rivalries.
That makes far more sense than someone saying 30 team BigTen and 30 team SEC.
A P2 structure with both megaconferences having its own playoff, then the two winners play in a college superbowl?
Sec, Big 10 and Big 12 will be your 3 power conferences when it’s all said and done.
40 to 50 teams in two conferences would be terrible. So many schools would really get hurt. Bad idea. If too many states have teams that are badly hurt, I could see Congressional action to interfere.
Good point. Congress can't keep their hands out of other people's business as it is, and Alumni from the aggrieved schools would pressure their congressmen/women to intervene. Then the powerful schools would try to influence Congress, and some MCs would bow to the pressure and others might be tempted to accept "donations" for their cooperation. What a mess this could become.
SEC gets UNC, FSU, Miami and Clemson
Big Ten gets Washington, Oregon, Georgia Tech, and whichever Virginia school is better overall
If college football breaks into 2 conferences and form their own league they will lose hundreds of millions in regional viewership dollars. I know if my team isn’t in that league I’m not watching it.
I mean, I guess this doesn't bother me because my team would in IN, but it would minimize the overall fan base of CFB. But watching bama vs Ohio State type games every week would be awesome.
Exactly. They’ve given up on expanding the audience and are instead focusing on maximizing viewership from fans of the top programs
When do you think they have it planned to take the stripes off the ball?
Agree or not about the SEC & BIG10 being what they are Super Conferences 1 thing that needs to acknowledged without a delusional "woke" mindset is that with UT & OU going to the SEC the Big12 is a Mid-Major Powerhouse & nowhere even close to Power5 conference, it just isn't....
Yet one of those teams took down Michigan in the playoff. That’s what makes college football great
@@spooner7637 A) they didn't deserve to even make the playoffs B) they were lost in embarrassingly fashion to Georgia who beat them in the most lopsided "championship game" ever!
@@JustSayNo2Woke whelp they went to the playoff and they handled Michigan. Not even a TCU fan. Again the “they didn’t deserve to be there” well too bad the committee put ‘em in and they handled Michigan.
Just imagine how bad Michigan would have gotten spanked by Georgia 😂
@@sean_321 Would it have been a 1 point game like they had with OSU? 😂
This creates the death of the Cinderella storyline in CFB
Not really. College football rarely had Cinderellas. That’s a college basketball thing. It never was a college football narrative.
Georgia already killed that storyline a few months ago.
Leave college football alone. We don’t love the entertainment. We love our teams
Big Ten and SEC will become the AFC and NFC and you'll have regional divisions within those conferences. That's a solid system to me.
It’s only an ok system to you because your favorite team is probably already included in it. Think about all the people who will be left behind during this.
@@tylerroe3125 If you had two mega conferences with smaller divisions within you could easily include the entire Power 5 plus Notre Dame and a few others like Boise St
I am not for the 2 super conference model.
Too many good aspects would disappear
Hey! How about this? We take the best 100 or so college programs and divide them into regional conferences. They play amongst each other, with a few non conference games. The better teams get invited to a bowl game in a sunny location at the end of the season! Doesn’t that sound pretty cool? Then we can spend the whole off season arguing who had the best team, with input from major media sources, of course. To maintain fairness, all the players need to be students in good standing at the school of their choice, and of course as amateurs, who are primarily there for a college education, we should make sure they’re not getting paid above the already generous allowance of room, board, and tuition.
I think I’ll call it D-III
The ACC schools will make $500 less overall per school than the SEC and Big Ten schools over the next 12 years. They can’t be competitive under those circumstances. The situation is untenable, some of them are going to bolt.
I’m not a fan of the Brave New College Football World of haves and have nots. Is there any possibility that the “have nots” form a self governing league also? Could there ever be a course set up where the worst of the Power 2 drops to the “have not” league and the Champion of the “have not” league is promoted to the Power 2?
Idk that would probably be worse. It really sucks seeing rivalries and traditional match ups destroyed. I wouldn’t want a world where teams from the actual big ten were booted from this new big ten for having a bad season.
The SEC monopolizing college football is bad for the sport. I don’t get how anyone can see losing half the country as a good thing.
Maybe expanded playoff will end up saving the conferences,. If you know winning the ACC will give you a near auto bid to playoff then there is a real reason to stay and a great way to recruit.
Big 12 might be able to stay alive by getting the teams that have less interest
Honestly the way it wall works out….one day the pac goes big ten. ACC to sec. And split big 12 amongst the sec and big ten. Like nfl two main divisions.
If they separate into 2 leagues I'll happily watch my teams, none of whom will ever be included in this power 2, and ignore the B10 and SEC stuff lol
I wish we just stuck to regional conferences and traditional CFB stuff, but oh well
Its so funny that the SEC is considered one of the big 2 when just what 15 yrs ago it was the Big 12 and the Big 10 where the two big conferences.
College Football's new Championship Game might be called the "Super Bull."
How much would an Oregon or Utah team winning 3 nattys in 8 years throw off this two conference dominance narrative? Unlikely yes but could very well be great for college football as a whole.
Oregon maybe but Utah is never winning 3 nattys in 8 years
I think there’ll be only two major conferences in the next ten years. One will be called ESPN. The other will be called Fox.
The parallel to this situation is NBC/WWE and Turner/WCW at the end of the territories.
Im all here for the entertainment 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️... The best teams playing each other is what i want to see.
Most fans only care about their team. I will never sit down to watch 2 schools thst I don't care about.
What is happening is not good for college football. When you cannot drive to an away game as you can with historical geographical conferences like the ACC, SEC, PAC 12, ... it becomes much harder and the rivalries do not matter. Fans that no longer have a meaningful team will just fade away and ignore the sport.
I agree with you, Josh. It seems like outside progre$$ive interest$ feel compelled to change the landscape of college football. Don't fix what really isn't broken. But then again, the bottom line is a great motivator. So the various programs dance to the tune of the modern day Pied Piper of CFB, imo.
Money has been driving all of this. The same schools that feel they should get more money. Greed is the problem
Financially speaking it doesn’t make sense in the long run.
Only 4 teams go to the playoffs but it’s always some combination of Bama, Clemson, OSU, Georgia. The expanded playoffs were supposed to bring college football to a wider audience. By polarizing all the big programs into 2 conferences, it will just suffocate the sport into a niche audience of those connected to these schools. Im an OSU alum so I love all the big games but it’s not good for the sport.
College football - of which I am a huge fan - is ruining college athletics ... and vice versa. There needs to be a decoupling of football at the FBS level from the NCAA. This would allow NCAA conference affiliations to be more regionally-based, thereby reducing the burden of travel on student-athletes. FBS should form a semi-professional system akin to national soccer systems of competition: 3 to 4 leagues (30-32 teams in each league) based on performance and prestige that play in postseason tournaments. Relegation and promotion would incentivize programs to invest in competitive balance. Players could enroll in school at no cost - but are not required to be a student-athlete to play. Contacts would be negotiated by each school; contracts for players and coaches would be overseen by FBS governing body and players union. Media networks would share coverage similar to the NFL structure.
Here would be a mockup of the Tier-1 league: Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Georgia, Oklahoma, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Texas A&M, Penn State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Arkansas, South Carolina, Iowa, Washington, Michigan State, Oregon, Ole Miss, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, Oklahoma State (30), Kentucky, Minnesota (32) ... with the "next four in" being Texas Tech, Stanford, Miss State, Georgia Tech (hypothetically).
The “Super Conference” idea has been around since the 90’s. Just go watch old sports center highlights… they used to talk about it quite often.
Thus, it ain’t ever happening
Lets take NIL and compare it to raising minimum wage.
If your productivity doesnt grow,a shrinking market will cost your job.
Will the fans of teams marginalized in the new college world order still be interested in watching the sport? And could this be a problem for future tv ratings?
Two hypothetical questions.
1. In the AFC/NFC idea for college football, could you see it taking on an English soccer promotion or relegation model for schools not initially included in the top tier?
2. Do you think schools could be removed from the BigTen or SEC in favor of adding larger market or more competitive teams?
No lol, thats a pipe dream 4 the teams who know they dnt have the brand to be invited.
That would be pretty awesome. I'd be totally ok with the power 2 if there was relegation. Maybe even have a game between the worst teams to see who gets kicked.
1. Relegation should happen. It never will because of USA sports models.
2. Yes, several from each will be removed for money and political reasons.
Currently there are 133 schools at the FBS level in ten conferences.
The new Nifty Fifty Conference will soon be called FBS1 schools.
The remaining 88 will be FBS2 schools, and will sort themselves
out into the remaining conferences like the MAC, AAC & Sun Belt.
The transfer portal will act as a free agent system wherein players
will be able to transfer up [or down] the FBS food chain.
The schools that are left behind will find a [financially slimmer] way
forward .. they will not simply stop playing. Even the MAC might be
able to get a nifty deal with online players like Amazon or ESPN2.
There will also be a divorce from football vs other sports .. lets take
Duke .. they're not likely to make the Nifty Fifty in football.. but in
basketball .. so Duke football might wind up in the AAC, but their
basketball program will hang tough with the big boys.
Promotion/relegation tier teams by success in the last 10 years if you’ve at least 1 National Championship in the last 10 years and teams that have won let’s say 90% of regular season games start at the top then work our way down from their work like the EPL in England
Relegation*
I’m sure they could figure out a way to make it work. I doubt the Universities would go for it though.
@@INoticeTooMuch1 thank you for the correction I didn’t catch that and I know in my heart of hearts you’re right if you don’t start at the top the chances of you saying ok are minimal
Is it possible that in order to not ruin other sports there could be a sort of system where all conferences stay the same for every sport besides football and football is allowed to separate and change into whatever they want.
This is what I want. Change CFB all you want. Don't touch College Basketball for the love of God.
The sport never need saving. But they’re were thing that were beyond there control. The Supreme Court decision and allowing NIL. Those were things people could see coming a mile away for at least a decade and the NCAA dug in and pretended like it didn’t exist and hoped it would go away. To be honest a lot of these athletes were paid under the table at least they’ve made it honest. The NCAA ran College athletics into the ground. They let way too many teams in the division one and division FBS. It seems like they have a new team a.k.a. expansion every year. I think it was inevitable that some of the power teams would break off. I just thought it would be best if it was 64 teams in 4 conference of 16. You would have a west, Midwest( North), South, and an East coast. Everyone delayed it and now we’re going to have two conferences 20 to 24 teams each.
The power two will be facing a lot of legal issues if they leave other schools out. That would tune a lot of schools out of the picture. When you have a school like Boise State gets more viewers than schools like Miami Flo., Illinois, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Maryland, Kansas, Colorado, Arizona, Californa, etc. The people of this country like a Chinderella team like Boise State to beat schools like Oklahoma in bowl games.
@@Spitfirethedragon You also have a lot of Cinderella’s that are just there for a paychecks. Like I don’t know if I can go beyond 80 and still keep college football competitive. Right now you have probably 80 teams that are just there to have million dollar money games.
@@Spitfirethedragon do you think the TV ratings it doesn’t show it. It does great for March madness or the first weekend but if they have too many of them the rest of the tournament suffers.
Clemson to the SEC!
No unequal revenue sharing
I hate what's happened to college football, but we've gotten to the point of "survival of the fittest."
I'd love to see the top 50-60 brands break off, govern themselves, do their thing, and the remaining schools that didn't make the cut, staying in the NCAA, forming their own "power conferences" out of what's left over, and continuing to play 12 game schedules, yearly bowl games, etc.
Surely, there is still a market for players to trade playing college sports for a free ride through college?
The big question is... do the conference legacies get to remain in the "top 50-60?" Surely Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Rutgers aren't going to make the cut?
I don’t see that happening for a long time.
The mid-term goal is the P2 being able to get the rest to “accept their lot” while keeping the understanding that a March Madness without true cinderellas loses its oomph.
There’s also a big risk here. There’s pressure on the NBA to liberalize. People are actually looking at not only Major League Soccer… lower levels in the states are starting to sell players to Europe and to MLS. At some point, player development is professionalizing. And perhaps the NCAA can’t compete with that… or finds a way to get in on some different potential revenue streams.
@@PCSPounder Nebraska's President thinks it's coming sooner than we think. I doubt that it'll be prior to 2030.
don't like it but do see it going that way
It's going down the drain.
Give Clemson that SEC money baby 🤑
Georgia and Alabama have WEAK 2023 schedules .
Georgia yes, Alabama no. They play Texas OOC, plus have road games in SEC play at Texas A&M and last game of the year at Auburn (always a tough game for them) plus home games vs. Tenn and LSU, along with the rest of the SEC games (UK, Ole Miss, Ark, and Miss. State).
@@palermotrapani9067 still weak .
@@bartwilloughby2909 Ok, that is an opinion. Which team are you a fan of so I can compare that teams schedule to UGA and Alabama. FYI, I am not a fan of either school, but a fan of LSU who plays Bama of course 1st week in November.
@@palermotrapani9067 No comparison needed . Their , Alabama and Georgia’s cake walk , lack of strength of schedule, speaks for itself .
@@bartwilloughby2909 Which team do you follow? Simple question
Big 12 did this for Oklahoma and Texas and they still left
Basically, follow the money. The schools who can screw other schools to make more money WILL do it. Money is ALWAYS king in America... fairness and balance out the window for $$$
A&M moving to the SEC will be looked back as the snowflake that started the avalanche
It was long before that. When the Big East screwed up and did not add Penn State the Big Ten made them an offer they could not resist. Things were set in motion that ended the historically regional conferences. The Big East all sports conference imploded, then the Big 12 lost their blue blood anchors, then the PAC 12 and soon the ACC.
WV moving to Big 12 was the 1st.
@@robertadams6606 Actually WVU belongs in the ACC culturally and geographically, along with UVA, VA Tech, Pitt ... Not sure why that did not happen.
@@StunninglyHumble My point was that they were the 1st team to start this thing, not Texas A&M.
It’s not my ideal world, either. I’m an Oregon Duck fan. We might be headed to the Big 10. I hate that idea. OK, games against Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State would be fun and entertaining. I get that. But, I’d rather watch the Ducks play Oregon State, Washington State and California than Indiana, Purdue and Rutgers.
As a Big 10er I agree. What makes the Rose Bowl special will be lost too. Ah, the greed of so-called great men.
@@aardlord A lot of people don't get just how special the Rose Bowl is. My answer to that has been because your team has never been there. If they had, you'd know how special it is.
I grew up in Big 10 country. Iowa. I have always loved the Rose Bowl. For the last 50+ years I've lived in Oregon and it's still special.
If the NCAA was anything close to being a competent governing organization for sports this wouldn't be happening, but it is simply not. I have been saying for years NCAA football, basketball, and baseball need an independent commissioner that answers to the NCAA. You have a bunch of college presidents with little or no real expertise in multi-billion dollar sports management or care for the welfare of the sport running the show and feeding their own egos.
NCAA is history. If this happens, it'll lose all of it's power. It doesn't have the strength to hold this off.
There’s no sports organization in North America where a commissioner truly rules owners (or college presidents, for that matter). It’s the other way around.
Any realistic solution to achieve the goal you seek will be very political, because it will require government intervention. There’s no two ways around that.
@@PCSPounder What is it about "NCAA football, basketball, and baseball need an independent commissioner that answers to the NCAA" don't you understand? The NCAA is governed by a Board of Governors made up of college presidents and chancellors. The President of the the NCAA is also a college president though that will soon be changing as they have finally decided to bring in someone from the outside. The owners association hires and fires the commissioner in professional sports. Same thing.
@@mysticwanderer4787 But the NCAA is “owned” by a cabal of schools who will form their own organization if the rest of the membership turns on them. And if you’re watching what the networks are doing, most of the TV money will follow the big schools out the door.
Wish you would deep dive into some of this instead of barely scratching the surface patting yourself on the back about the past
It's not new and it's not happening. This has been openly discussed for nearly a decade. If the SEC and B10, with their media partners try this, they'll have more law suits then they can defend, and Congress will step in.
As I stated before, both the SEC and B10 are overvalued compared to the ACC and B12. Within a decade, there will be a re-balancing of surviving conference media values. Keep in mind that the B10 is the B12 If not for Michigan and Ohio State. None of the others have a following large enough to sustain a national college football audience.
I have to disagree, it is happening. Pac 10 teams are leaving. Big 12 teams are leaving.
This sucks for the Big12
TV ruins everything
What are you giving up?
Well, for one thing fanbases are never going to see double digit wins again.
They won't get a deal comparable to the Big 10 , definitely not one close to the SEC.
Strangely, the Big 10 currently has a much better TV deal than the SEC. Basically, the SEC screwed the pooch by “going first” in the negotiation process and not demanding nearly enough money in exchange for a long-term contract. Hopefully the addition of Texas and OU will allow that deal to be renegotiated. ESPN made out like bandits.
It’s so sad actually. When will we ever see a Boise State or Cincinnati or Wake Forest shock the college football world again? Heck, Clemson may actually opt to not get into this arms race. After all, who wants to watch NFL lite?
It already is it just know coming to the forefront instead of pretending everyone is equal
It’s crazy that so many people think this will be good. They don’t even think about the impact beyond football. Thousands of jobs would be lost, kids whose only chance to go to college is on a football scholarship would be gone. Just mind blowing to me
They think there gonna get numbers like the NFL there not ppl aren’t just gonna start rooting for another college you’re cutting a lot of eyeballs out it might backfire get ready for NFL on Saturday and Sunday Goddell hopes they do college games aren’t gonna matter anymore except to a couple schools fan bases
What are we giving up if we regulate the future of college football? Capitalism. It took time, but the same thing happened with player compensation. Adam Smith’s invisible hand is a powerful force.
Wasn’t that Adam Smith?
Yes it was Adam smith
Thomas paine wrote common sense. Amd tell that to the nfl. Its never been more popular after embracing socialism.
corrected. Thanks
Headed towards a Power 2 ? There hasn't been a Power 5 in a decade. Look at thew NFL Draft.
SEC and Big 10 make the two and every once and a while Big 12 of Pac 12 will be relevant to make it a Power 2.5
I miss the regional conferences. I understand the money thing but I miss a UCLA/USC Pac 12. & What is West Virginia doing in the Big 12. Why not the American or ACC?
Ever watched the power rangers go full on megazord.. ?! here it comes !!
its getting to a point where we should say fuck it, let's create a pro/rel system before American soccer does.
What happens to ND ?? ,,,,,,, They will be forced into a conference or die on the vine
ND is above all that. They're proud of their independence. They could go on making $7Mil per year while Rutgers get $40Mil (or whatever it is). ND doesn't mind being out-earned by Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky and Vandy. Right? hehehe
@@cjpreachYes,I think ND could easily survive on their own but they might be tempted to take a share of the conference money 💰
They could live without the money having such deep pocketed donors but I think their pride will demand they have a seat at someone's table.
What a shame, money has ruined college football.
I absolutely hate what has happened to college football in the last 20 years.
Money and greed has ruined the sport. It’s now just NFL light now and is slowly just becoming a minor league.
Tradition, pageantry, rivalry’’s, all being destroyed.
Do we really need to see Georgia play against Vanderbilt?
The reality is, the BIG and SEC WILL take the most valuable schools and become 20 member conferences and they will create their own playoffs and championship. So the Oklahoma St and Wake Forests of the world will be left out. I promise you, THAT is what's going to happen in the next few years based on conversations I've had with people in the know.
Why’d you have to throw Oklahoma State in the same sentence as Wake Forrest?
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@David Colmer cause they were both mentioned as the types of universities that will be left out. I was speaking with major NIL executives, D1 ADs and others.
@@ryansheard8092 so…. Would Mississippi State get left out of an “expanded 20 team SEC?” How about Vanderbilt?..
@@dacokc aren't they already in the SEC? 🙂
@@ryansheard8092 I’m saying are there schools already in the SEC that might not make the Final Cut and of brand consolidation into both the SEC and BigTen?..
Clemson FSU Miami GT, UNC, LOUISVILLE, VT Will be SEC
WF, PITT, SYC, NC ST, VA, Duke would be big10 if they dismember the ACC
I'm not sure the B1G TEN wants any of those schools, TBH.
@@cjpreach Lmao
An AFC/NFC format would be so lopsided lol. The 4th best team in the big ten would be like 6 or 7th in the sec let’s be honest lol. I get Michigan, Ohio State and Penn state are all really good but USC couldn’t beat Utah and got two attempts. Florida beat Utah. Like the transitive property doesn’t work in sports but the eye test is real. The sec may make their own league lol. I don’t think their success is predicated on what teams outside the southeast do honestly
I agree
It's not about winning. It's about tv money markets.
@@adamklosterman8960 I agree. I don’t think the southeast wants the La market at all, with them securing Texas they now have 3 of the top 4 states in terms of recruiting talent lol. College football hasn’t felt the impact of it cause it hasn’t happened yet but that’s significant. If they go into the Virginia market or North Carolina and then can secure Florida state, they legit could make their own league lol. Wouldn’t need the other markets cause they don’t succeed in them now lol
Only thing you are forgetting about is greed. They might be happy for a couple years but it won't last as long as they can see a $ in some other area.
@@leew9328 I agree with your premise. It’s about money so they will do what’s going to make them the most. I just think them getting all of Texas’s market, the historical significance of Oklahoma, that alone is going to impact it financially more than people have realized yet but I don’t ever see the SEC making their own league forreal because they’d financially benefit from a Ohio State/Alabama match up or USC vs Texas. There’s money to be made forsure so they won’t make it where they can’t access those match ups. I genuinely do see the NCAA taking a back seat soon though and I could see college football being the NFL’s G-League/farm league like the Big10/SEC obviously not every school would be included. Where nfl franchises will invest in the universities and start offering contracts out of HS. That’s where I see this going.
The bubble is bursting that the P5 conferences are not profitable. Where the Big 12, ACC and PAC 12 is faltering? The future, the SEC and Big 10 would have to take a big cut in tv revenue. I am sorry. The greed from the P5 and from the pros is causing the cord cutting is not making up on the money is losing. And the Power two would kill college sports for good. The power two will never sit if the players are unionized and every schools in FBS, FCS, 1AAA, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, etc all could go on strike together. The power two could get lawsuits from other schools and fans as well.
It’s just his opinion whether his opinion is right or wrong. He’s just giving his opinion doesn’t mean anything. Too many schools will be left out for this to happen too many lawsuits
Sad.
college football is one of the best sports but it has the worst post season of all sports.
A good post season ruins the regular season. Who cares about the games, you just need enough to qualify for the post season in the rest of these sports.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 FBS football post season is 100% based on polls
@@GoodStuff1992 for the playoff it's a committee... The poll is secondary to the goal of keeping track of who would be the top four in any given week. You can see this by how these "polls" they did sometimes don't matter with how they chose the final teams.
Additionally, take note that the entire rest of the post season (all the rest of the bowls) has nothing to do with polls and is based on conference wins/losses.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 The committee is the poll. Their poll comes out late in the season and it looks almost as identical as the AP or coaches poll.
You can literally not win your conference and be voted in the 4 team playoff. Hell, in conference championships, if you don't win your division, you can't play for a conf title. Shouldn't that be applied the same?
Finally, a team can go undefeated in a smaller conference and not even get a chance to play in the 4 team tournament. How is that fair?
In every division of football, every team has a chance to play for a championship. If you win, and keep winning you control your destiny. FBS football doesn't do that, you still need the pollsters to vote you in.
The playoff poll being nearly identical to the AP is not some gotcha moment. Everything gets ironed out by the end.
Teams from bigger conferences who don’t win their championship but make the playoff is completely fair.
There isn’t nearly as much parity in college football as in the NFL. There are like a dozen teams above 60% of their roster as “blue chips” ( 5 and 4 stars). You can probably guess who they are.
Idk why you are complaining about that anyway when we are moving to a 12 team playoff. Those really good schools from small conferences will now make the playoffs. Then they’ll get destroyed year after year by the teams that didn’t win their conference.