I'm a Big 12 fan who feels vindicated by the proven value of my team's conference, but I'd trade that feeling for a return to regional football and commitment to conference health by all members. The times are achangin'.
At least we did get a region rival back and we added several pairs of rivalries. All of the new states going west are contiguous. Hopefully we can close the gaps in the East soon.
As a beaver fan, I'm just downright sad. This takes away so much steam heading into this season. Ugh, we went through some dark days, just to be left with this. And to those saying the "pac 12 snobs" are getting what they deserve, I ask who? Because I don't know too many fan bases as loving and unhated as orst and wazzu fans are.
I feel bad for you guys. I wish the big 12 would have waited and picked up you guys and OST and Stanford and Cal rather then the awful teams they picked up.
I don't see Pac 12 fans as 'snobs' but it does seem to me that there are far more bandwagon fans in that conference than any other conference. Especially the teams coming out of California and Oregon (ducks, not beavers). I guess we'll see just how "fair weathered" their fans really are now that they are in the Big Ten.
Ute fan here - I'm going to miss playing you guys. You aren't kidding saying you went through some dark days - it's been cool to see you guys come back and become pretty damn scrappy.
Not to mention I’ve been seeing Colorado and Arizona fans talking mad trash about the beavs out of nowhere. I haven’t met a single fan who was annoy, arrogant, or toxic, yet our school gets all the hate for no reason. The best way for this season to end is for the beavs to win the Pac12 and earn some respect. There’s also a very slight chance the Big12 is considering two more teams, and we are potentially one of them. It’s just a waiting game for now. Go beavs!
As a B1G football fan, I'm not disappointed. Honestly, I couldn't care less about UCLA joining, but I love that there'll be MI- Oregon and OSU-USC and Penn State-Washington. That excites me much more than OSU-Indiana or Wisconsin-Rutgers. It may suck for the non-football programs, but I don't watch those anyway....
Can't wait to watch USC-Northwestern, Oregon-Indiana, Washington-Maryland, for every decent game you presented above, there is twice as many shitty games I just daid
Josh, I am not sure that the campuses at Cal, Stanford, Oregon State and Washington State are seeing flowers sprouting across their campus. The events of last week will cripple or decimate those programs. We should all hope that the ACC's Grant of Rights is as airtight as it appears or else that conference, and another 5-7 programs will have the same fate as the current Pac 4 schools.
Not exactly. The PAC-12 didn’t have any TV deal while the ACC has a deal similar to the big12 so their concern is losing Clemson, FSU, UNC and Miami to the B1G/SEC. They can replace those teams with G5 teams but the other teams aren’t going anywhere. They didn’t add teams like the Big12 because it splits the revenue even further.
The future in 10 years will be all streaming. Cable is a dying whale. It would be extremely wise for the four remaining schools to get four more schools and sign a deal with all streaming.
Might as well rip the band-aid off and go with 2 tiered FBS league. Drop all conferences for football. Keep them with more geographic concerns in mind for other sports. Have the top 64 compete for a natty in a logical 4 region format. Have an 8 game "regular season" that seeds a 64 team bracket. Worst 4 records get relegated to the 2nd tier (same format), top 4 from the 2nd tier move up.
@@thejfactor1 Streaming is the future, and it’s right now. That still doesn’t change the fact that I watch ESPN, ABC, and FOX Sports through streaming. Those are still the big three with college sports, whether it’s streaming or cable. When Saturday rolls around, the last place I’m thinking of going when tuning into a channel to watch a game is Apple TV. We are not there yet. Someday, I can see it, but right now it’s not a thought.
Say, hypothetically, Texas Tech has to move to the Mountain West and couldn't even contend for a championship with an undefeated record. I'm not going to switch to root for another team in a larger conference because they have more exposure. The SEC and Big 10 will make more money, but each institution will only have the fans it had before realignment. If they want to make a NFL type of format with 30% of football teams, they will lose 70% of the market. Does that make sense or am I crazy?
Makes a lot of sense to me and something that many of my peers and myself have talked about. I watch many big, marquee match ups, but if my school was left out to dry I would stop watching college football altogether. I have had many discussions about these big, wealthy conferences killing the golden goose and making the whole thing crash and burn. So yes, what you said makes absolute sense.
@@theread3480 Not sure what you mean. Relevant in what way? Wins and losses? The TV market the school is located in? Historical relevance? Every school has had lean years on the field and some schools have the luck of being in large metro areas with large TV markets. Much of this conference realignment has much more to do with timing and luck than anything. When was the last time Rutgers was "relevant"?
@DK-mj1zt agreed. What will eventually happen is the "power 2" will shed off the schools that don't make them any money. What they don't think about is if they only have the schools that have the biggest views, then the rest of the population is not watching those conferences compete. So would an alliance from the rest of the schools, a majority of programs, find a way to create more revenue than the "power 2"? With that, maybe have their own version of a championship that doesn't involve the selected 40 teams. In turn, have their own rules, like sharing revenue with the players, have longer eligibility, proper divisions that make sense, all kinds of freedoms and appreciations, etc. And reject all scheduling with any super conference teams as long as they are part of that conference. Idk. Just thinking of a way to give these execs the butt whooping that their parents should've.
The wild thing is that these decisions are made primarily because of football + mens basketball, but it affects most other sports at these schools. So now a Big Ten field hockey student athlete might play half their games on the coasts.
Dennis Dodd was right about the 4 corner schools joining the Big 12, it took GK showing his hand to get Utah and ASU to do a 180, but Dennis Dodd's prediction came true.
Those schools still wanted to stay, Bobby Robbins had to wake them up over the course of 3 days... They're still moaning, groaning, and talking elitist smack even after getting invited and accepted.
I didnt like OU/UT Leaving. I didn't like USC/UCLA leaving. I didn't like George Kliavkoff taking shots at the Big 12.... BUT I LOVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PAC12 SNOBS LAST WEEK!!
You are the first person that is really gone out on a limb and called this what it is these high-ranking jobs in conferences and at universities are held by a lot of incompetent people. Clearly we can all agree on that now and why they're in their job is the result of a variety of different things, most of which are not good.
I am a Big XII fan and former Big 8 and 12 athlete I loved it!!! The Universities added value!!! For Pack 12 fans I understand, but for those of us who are not Pack 12 fans this made it more competitive!
Josh, great show. Not only commissioners, college presidents, etc., but a lot of average reporters/ podcasters/ commentators have also been exposed in the last week. People who were complete homers or mouthpieces, or even flat out fools. Obviously they didn't make the choices for the conference, but the consequences can be damaging (see political reporting). Fans commenting (like me!) are obviously going to generally be "my team to the death," with a hefty percentage us being fools to some extent. I hurt for those whose who feel their school's "to the death" has arrived. Not being a Pac(#) fan, I objectively was stunned by a majority of the "reporting." Only pygmy tribal children are less "sourced" than I am, yet I kept thinking, "have these guys double-checked with credible, unbiased sources??" I won't throw names under the bus, but some of the reporting about the Pac was as incompetent as the leadership of the Pac. I wondered if they would prove me completely wrong, but it didn't happen. Again, Josh, well done. Your ability to analyze and intelligently provide a new possible/plausible ripple effect was refreshing.
I’m SO curious what happens when teams who are accustomed to being in the upper echelon of their conferences (Texas, OU, USC) eventually become also-rans in their new destinations.
Texas hasn't been anything in the big 12 for over a decade. They feel it's more valuable to lose to teams in the SEC than to keep losing to Kansas. The only thing they've been upper echelon is preseason polls.
It won’t happen. Texas and OU are going to get better athletes in the SEC, so will usc in the big. They’re definitely not going to be also rans, especially with the 12 team playoff.
@@jamarreid1082 They all (the SEC teams) can’t win ALL the games. There can’t even mathematically be 4 or 5 two-loss teams in the same conference; especially if the buzz about the SEC getting Clemson and FSU comes to fruition. Somebody who expects to win ain’t gonna be doing a whole lot of winning. The cream will rise to the top, and the rest will be…also-rans. They’re banking on “playoff berth-by-association”. Good luck to them with that.
Hey bro, fair enough. I don’t disagree with you AT ALL. We’ll see how much room there is at the top in the next 5 years for the 10 or so programs that believe they have a legitimate shot at a national title every year. Being relevant for a season is one thing. STAYING relevant in the deepest conference in America is easier said than done. Somebody’s coaches won’t still be around by then - mainly because they can’t keep up.
Look no further back then the Southwest Conference.. There were programs that were left with no chair to sit on.. Rice, SMU, TCU and Houston Now some of those programs are back, some are even further away.
An underlying factor to all of this is that these conferences were founded and held together largely because of the infrastructure of their era. I'm from SW Michigan and we are mostly Chicago sports fans because historically we only got Chicago TV and radio stations, but I see younger kids now starting to be fans of teams from all over, which is kinda cool in its own way. In this modern era we can see any game from anywhere, and the big schools have enough money to fly their players to any away games. There isnt the same glue anymore, and we are probably far from done with realignment.
SEC fan here. Hate to see what’s happening right now. Honestly feel bad the PAC-12 split up. The athletes especially non football and probably also basketball depending on the program are gonna have it rough for now. My hope is that we’ll see colleges come back to their senses and think of the athletes because think of it like this. If you have to have travel a couple thousand miles for some conference games you’re gonna have 1 a harder time recruiting players for non football sports in most cases, more expenses for said sports for travel, less kids are gonna come to your school or want to spend money if they can’t feel invested in the rivalries. Personally I hope the schools that have made the big moves for several thousand mile distances move back to regional conferences after a few years of seeing the side effects of this, but won’t be surprised if they sit on their butts. Regional conferences at least make sense, but these transnational conferences make no sense for the fan or the athlete.
I'm a Michigan fan. This realignment wave is a slap in the face of the fans of all conferences. Including the Big Ten. College football was better with a strong PAC 12 with USC and UCLA . It makes no sense for them to be in the B10. We just wanted the non conference schedule to include big time matchups with these type of teams. I don't get fans who get excited that their school is going to make 75 million from TV every year. Who cares??? Are they going to reduce tuition for all students? No. It's just money to build over the top facilities and pay pay coaches obscene salaries. RIP regional rivalries and road trips to close away games.😢
The realignment will be awesome for the big 10 and sec. Osu, Xichigan, usc , penn state get to duke it out in the same conference; and I’m definitely watching Georgia/Alabama/Texas/OU/ lsu. The playoff will be 12 teams, so stop being scared of taking an extra loss.
Selfishly I like, I get to see matchups and games I would never had seen in the out of conference schedule. Those old rivalries can still be kept but now we can develop new ones too…
the end of the pac12 is the end of an era. for its sake I hope it can get some MW teams like air force. with ou and texas leaving the big12, it is nice to see the big12 taking in some of these teams. whats crazy is that the big12 got even better in basketball picking up arizona and houston. big12 was already #1 basketball team in the country, now with tcu, arizona, and houston joining next season, its almost comical.
I truly wish we could go back to regional conferences. My unrealistic ideal would be 12 conferences (6 power, 6 G5) each with 10 teams. So we'd get last years' B12 where every team plays everyone in a season. Then, 6 P5 (P6?) Champs, plus 1 or 2 G6 champs and at large teams to make a 12 team playoff. Probably many things wrong with this, but it's fun to think about.
Yeah no. Give me like big games! Idgaf what city the teams are from I care that it's two big programs with big stakes playing on a big stage. Just playing the teams around you is wasting the fans time nobody cares if Oregon can beat Cal we care if they can beat PSU
@@45heisman give me my big games🤓🤓 Like ok, all large conference games in the past DECADE have been played by the og SEC 10(excluding TAMA) Original 11 B1G, the original 12 BXII, the original 10 PAC-12 and the same Southern ACC teams. All the expansion teams in their conferences have underperformed, excluding TAMA and occasionally Missouri, Pittsburgh and Utah
conferences kept expanding and getting bigger which is already something people were getting tired of if anything they could have made a 6th power conference and adjusted accordingly. get regionality back into the mix
I love this realignment, especially since the big 12 is having to reinvent itself. The ACC is hanging in the balance. The SEC will soon face actual competition, in the near future. Since the 90s when the SEC, ACC and Big12 started raiding college football conferences, justice is about to be served.
Profit > Tradition. Even if you decide to throw your hands in the air and not support your college team/conference; there's about 5-10 new fans that will. The decision makers know this. The marketers know this. And there's no going back.
Football conferences don’t need to be connected the minor sports conferences. The school will still get the money to share with non-revenue sports. There are many schools that already separate their programs from football or basketball. ND is one example. Rick Petino has a point.
Listen, as a Big 12 fan, and Texas Tech fan. This last round was nice for us, we got more stability, more teams in areas relatively close to us. But now all of a sudden it’s a bad thing? No one at these networks said it was bad when Arkansas left the SWC for the SEC, or ATM and Mizzou left the Big 12 for the SEC, Nebraska for the Big, Colorado for the PAC. Or when finally OU and UT left for the SEC and the media was saying there was no point for the Big 12 to exist. Now that they’ve stabilized, and expanded, it’s a bad thing? Give me a break, it’s always been a bad thing, it’s just about survival and rebuilding for the Big 12. What is changing, is fans will continue to watch their conference and team, but people aren’t going to switch conferences or teams in mass because of realignment.
Nil and the portal were the start. Now this is just the aftershock. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again the portal and nil have ruined college football
It's simple. More Ohio State vs. Oregon, less Washington vs. Cal. It's about butts in the seats and viewers watching on TV. Life just keeps on getting busier, so people want more games that matter.
I know this is a football channel, but what about the other sports and groups with this conference realignment? I’m in TBDBITL, and we could be going to Oregon or LA for mid-season games during midterms now. What about soccer, lacrosse, synchronized swimming, etc who travel commercially, competing 2-3 times a week?
Theyre not paying the bills so they don't give a shit about them sadly. The realignment was done for football, nothing more. Which is a shame but those schools will have to get use to it. Gonna be hell if you're at like usc for basketball then you have to fly to Rutgers for an away game then fly back home for a game versus Washington then back out to like Ohio state.
Realignment isn't the only thing that is wrong. NIL and the transfer portal started us down the road of changing college football for the worse. Where did people think the money for these pay to play deals was going to come from?
FBS Football: 1. Eliminate all existing conferences. 2. Restrict the FBS to 130 teams. 3. Establish 10 13-team sub-divisions: (I, II, III, . . . X). (10 * 13 = 130). 4. Every year, each team plays 1 game against each of the 12 other teams in the sub-division. (Every team has a 12-game season.) 5. There must be 6 home games and 6 away games. No neutral-site games. (a) Ok, maybe one game per year per team at a neutral site, … maybe. 6. No lead-in games. No warm-up games. No cupcake games. 7. Schedule: (a) Each team in every sub-division will play a 12-game season spread out over 13 weeks. (b) One bye week per team per season. (c) Schedules and bye weeks will be randomly selected by computer. (d) Last game of the regular season to be played on the weekend after TG. (e) xxx. 8. Money. (a) Broadcasting rights will be calculated at the sub-division level and will be split evenly amongst the 13 teams in the sub-division. (b) New contract every year. 9. Recruiting. ??? 10. Scholarships. ??? 11. NIL. ??? 12. At the end of the regular season: (a) Rank each team in the sub-division based on their win-loss record. (b) There will have to be NFL-style tie-breaking procedures in place. (c) The top team in each sub-division becomes the “winner” of that sub-division. (d) Relegate the bottom 2-4 teams from each sub-division to the sub-division beneath it. (e) Promote the top 2-4 teams from each sub-division to the sub-division above it. (f) Rinse, repeat. 13. Bowl games and championship: (a) Select the top 8 teams from sub-division I to participate in the NC playoff. (b) Populate the other bowl games from the remaining teams in all 10 sub-divisions. (c) Conduct the bowl games and playoff games.
Seriously Josh, a lot of us knew this was going to happen last year when they announced UCLA and So Cal coming to the BIG. However , we didn’t know about the exodus to the big 12 and what consequences that will have. I don’t think it’s over yet ,so hang on your seat and don’t get too holy yet.
hate to break it to everyone, but the only reason those baseball players and softball players even get a chance to play those sports at their school is because of their school’s football program. football and men’s basketball generate so much revenue that those 2 sports alone is the only reason it can pay for all of the schools other sports and still have money left over. if the baseball or softball players don’t want to play and travel, enter the transfer portal instead of complaining.
"A lot of people who never built anything on their own... took risks on their own.... there in the driver's seat they have no business being in." Well said commentary at 3:50. That's what this is about ultimately. That's what happens when the wrong people are in charge of multi-million-dollar and billion-dollar ventures throughout business. Example: Silicon Valley Bank.
This is true in all aspects except for the Silicon Valley Bank example. That collapsed not necessarily because if the people in charge of the bank, but because of a panic among tech twitter. I think a better example is all of the banks that collapsed in 2008 because of their bets on weak securities and the housing bubble. (Lehman Brothers, Beat Stearns)
@@Redsox4444443 Well, I disagree from my understanding, even for a major regional bank, they weren't interested in serving the everyday customer but only the VIP clientele. When only a handful of alumni at these institutions run everything because of just how much money & political influence they have, it is questionable, nonetheless.
If College Football wants to save face, the B1G needs to add Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State and restore something of the Pac12 and its tradition in the B1G. SEC can also add Oklahoma State and Kansas to restore rivals for Mizzou and Oklahoma and restore some of the Big12 in the SEC. Bad Financial decisions for B1G and SEC but good moves for the sport.
The Big 12 and Big 10 responded to the SEC by creating nationwide conferences that can play from 9am to 11p PST every Saturday. The Pac12 had the worst tv deal in CFB, a lot of money potentially, but the visibility on streaming on Apple TV was never going to work. People out east were never going to subscribe to watch Pac 12 games that start at 10pm EST
This could be something great. If it ended up with just 2 or 3 superconferences, that could be a good thing as well. If the ACC folds, and the teams end up in the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12, and the remnants of the Pac 12 and up in one of those three. Then you could say "each of the 3 conferences gets 3 playoff slots, with 3 at large bid for the 3 highest rank teams not included in the conference slots." Or, you give 2 to each conference - 1 for the champion so it's guaranteed, and 1 for the next highest ranked team. Then 6 at large bids. Instead of what it is now with each of the power 5 getting a guaranteed slot, which is just bad. It's not fair to the stronger conferences. The SEC and the Big Ten. So if Penn State runs the table, and Ohio State, or Michigan has one loss, but USC loses 2 games, but still wins it's conference championship, they'd be in automatically, even if Michigan AND Ohio State are better teams.
I'm not against realignment as whole but not at the expense of a major conference getting the axed and not at the expense of losing traditional rivalry games. What went down with the PAC 12 this week was a damn shame.
Remember the Big Ten + ACC + Pac 12 "Alliance"? The Big Ten then straight up annihilated the Pac 12 and is trying to raid the ACC. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
@@theread3480 No. I remember Texas almost causing the complete collapse of the Big 12 with their selfish and bullying behavior. Colorado left for the Pac 12, sure. But Nebraska left for the Big Ten. Texas A&M and Missouri left for the SEC. All of them said it was because of Texas. And the Longhorn Network. Blaming the Pac 12 is just wrong.
I honestly could care less about the non revenue sports travel plights, but the erosion of tradition and “little guy” programs being screwed by the romantization of the playoff gives me great pause and puts a feeling of dread in the shadow of this season. Even with all the potential new great games and rivalries as a Umich fan
I like the changes and am not upset at all. Hope we see some more movement toward the SEC. The ACC may be the next conference to evaporate-hope so. Bad Karma is catching up to the ACC. Any conference that has a strong product and avid fans has nothing to worry about. The ACC is what the Pac12 WAS before all the defections.
BS! I’ve been looking at the tv rankings for the last several years and the ACC wasn’t much difference than the PAC. The only difference between the two was timezones and when those games are played. You don’t get the views in the evening like you get in the early noon and afternoon time slots. The PAC was at a huge disadvantage compared to the conferences out east. That’s the reality. Don’t go propping your conference up like some high and mighty over another just to give yourself self worth. Clemson and FSU is what kept your conference relevant, not the conference. Remove those two teams and the ACC is no different than the Big 12 that you so loath.
@@jimedick9496 I don't loathe the B12 at all. I admire it for being able to stay afloat despite all the rumors. I'm an SEC fan not ACC. I agree about Clemson and FSU being the heart and soul of the ACC and when they leave the ACC will crumble. I hate the ACC because of the way the conference treated USC, a founding member, back in the early 70s when they virtually forced USC to withdraw. Now that Bad Karma is finally catching up to the ACC and they deserve it.
@@jimedick9496 "I’ve been looking at the tv rankings for the last several years and the ACC wasn’t much difference than the PAC" I don't try to measure value myself, I look at what the market and actual events say. For the PAC I see: a) USC/UCLA left because the PAC12 couldn't get a Tier 1 deal b) The PAC10 was only offered a Tier 2 deal a year ago and then the offers got worse c) The PAC10 couldn't eventually get a good enough deal to keep teams from leaving to the BIG12 As for the ACC, it has a Tier 2 deal that is considered "terrible". In context, that means way below actual value, which would be higher than the PAC12, PAC10, et. seq. "Remove those two teams and the ACC is no different than the Big 12 that you so loath." a) The BIG12 lost its top 6 and backfilled. An ACC that "just" loses CLEMSON/FSU isn't Tier 1 but doesn't need to backfill and would be better than the new BIG12. b) I am apathetic to the BIG12.
The biggest issue is the general public on the west coast is not NEARLY as invested/interested in college football as the general public is in the Northeast, Midwest, East Coast, and certainly the Southeast?
Has anyone thought of implementing relegation/promotion system into college football? I think their needs to be some sort of realignment but creating a program where struggling programs get bumped down to rebuild in a “weaker” conference and promote the team that won the lower conference up. Ie: Tulane was awesome last year so bring them into the SEC and bump vandy down to American/Sunbelt.
I dont mind conference realignment one bit. I would love to just have two superconferences that trim out the current fat of the Vandies and Rutgers of the world
Larry Scott might be the worst manager of anything in the history of humanity. A random fan off the street could have done a much better job. Every decision he made was badly wrong.
I think you are far too optimistic about the fools hearing the discontent of the fans. Sure they might feel it now, but for the most part, the decisions have been made. When the CFP is in full swing and realignment is over those same fools will still be in positions of power and in 20 or so years those same fools or the fools that replace them will be in a position to do the same thing whatever the fans may want or desire.
no it won’t, non-revenue sports kill themselves because they are non-revenue; don’t blame these moves. and the kids should enter the transfer portal then.
@@mourka01 is baseball? Is soccer? Women's basketball? Gymnastics? Track? Those sports are going away, because it's going to cost to much to travel. As football fans, we need to keep in mind that college is just about football.
@@massivedynamic2339 football teams pay the bills if stanford, cal, Washington state, or Oregon state wanna be upset be upset they gave up on what puts food on the table to feed the rest of the family.
Nice fireside chat Josh Pate, let me go way way back to the 1980's when OU OKLAHOMA and GEORGIA vs the NCAA lawsuit. Now let's fast forward to the Summer of 2023. Yes I did play college football NAIA division 1972-1976. SWOSU Weatherford, Oklahoma and I knew when OU was going to become a member of the SEC along with Texas. That was May of 2016 location Super Regional Softball The University of Oklahoma OU. Now lets fast forward to July 1st, 2024. My oh my has things changed. Enjoy your fireside chat in 2023 Josh Pate.
5 years ago I watched college football from ESPN GameDay at 9am through Pac-12 After Dark at 1:30am. Now. I watch my team and maybe one other game. I'm not boycotting. Just turned off. And I don't watch SEC and B1G regular season games not their title games after taking Texas and USC.
This is a disaster. They are killing college football and rivalry weeks. What is gonna happen to the Pac 12? You can't have a conference with only 4 teams.
I walked away from football years ago when i found that most players get brain damage. I only pay attention because this affects the women's sports that i shifted to, soccer, volleyball and gymnastics.
Nil. Transfer portal. Realignment. Replay challenges CFB is a shell of what I loved about it. Can't even get excited about recruiting if they can leave when they want
As a more progressive CFB fan who is in favor of most of those things, I will agree that NIL and the transfer portal can use tweaking. I think limits on NIL eligibility when transferring would solve a lot of the issue, as well as not being able to give NIL deals to high schoolers. I would still prefer just direct payments to players so that boosters acting "totally not on behalf of the school" can't poach players away and everything is above board.
I loved when players were forced to stay at 1 school, be exploited for their labor, and have games not decide who the winner is so biased refs can make bad calls and be upheld. That’s what was great about CFB
@@DanLanningPRTeam yeah idk why people pearl clutch at some of those things lol. None of them affected the quality of games and the quality has arguably only gone up year after year
@@cruxofthesubject1402 objectively CFB is the most “confederate” sport if you catch my drift. From the commitment to “tradition” to the fact the SEC is the powerhouse while majority AA players make the money for rich white boosters, it becomes kind of clear what’s going on.
@ericstrelser153 I think people just miss the amateurism; players playing for "love of the game," staying in one place, etc. But now times are changing: this is a profession, especially for top players. In professions, you have the ability to leave if you find greener pastures. Traditionalists support this in the job market but they don't support it for players. They'll spout stuff about "signing contracts" and "integrity" when that just isn't how the real world works
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I'm a Big 12 fan who feels vindicated by the proven value of my team's conference, but I'd trade that feeling for a return to regional football and commitment to conference health by all members. The times are achangin'.
At least we did get a region rival back and we added several pairs of rivalries. All of the new states going west are contiguous. Hopefully we can close the gaps in the East soon.
You guys are a backfill for mid tier programs.
@@wolverinesfan9021You mean like the one that beat your Wolverines in the Fiesta Bowl?
@@michaelharte6979 fr 💀💀💀
@michaelharte6979 haha, Michigan is the worst 😂 Go Bucks!
As a beaver fan, I'm just downright sad. This takes away so much steam heading into this season. Ugh, we went through some dark days, just to be left with this. And to those saying the "pac 12 snobs" are getting what they deserve, I ask who? Because I don't know too many fan bases as loving and unhated as orst and wazzu fans are.
I feel bad for you guys. I wish the big 12 would have waited and picked up you guys and OST and Stanford and Cal rather then the awful teams they picked up.
I don't see Pac 12 fans as 'snobs' but it does seem to me that there are far more bandwagon fans in that conference than any other conference. Especially the teams coming out of California and Oregon (ducks, not beavers). I guess we'll see just how "fair weathered" their fans really are now that they are in the Big Ten.
Ute fan here - I'm going to miss playing you guys. You aren't kidding saying you went through some dark days - it's been cool to see you guys come back and become pretty damn scrappy.
Not to mention I’ve been seeing Colorado and Arizona fans talking mad trash about the beavs out of nowhere. I haven’t met a single fan who was annoy, arrogant, or toxic, yet our school gets all the hate for no reason. The best way for this season to end is for the beavs to win the Pac12 and earn some respect. There’s also a very slight chance the Big12 is considering two more teams, and we are potentially one of them. It’s just a waiting game for now. Go beavs!
That’s a good point! But we do lack the prestige in the PAC-12.
As a Big 12 fan seeing my conference stabilize itself and assert itself as the 3rd best conference in the country and it’s here to stay! I loved it
As an SEC fan and Alum, I can admit this is horrible for college football. Even though my school is a legacy SEC team.
It'll be 3rd best when the ACC dies.
@@trclark7689 give it a few years and the ACC will be the next PAC 12
@@ashleybowers5386 i agree with you. Im just glad to see my conference still kicking
4th* best. ACC is definitely 3rd.
As a B1G football fan, I'm not disappointed. Honestly, I couldn't care less about UCLA joining, but I love that there'll be MI- Oregon and OSU-USC and Penn State-Washington. That excites me much more than OSU-Indiana or Wisconsin-Rutgers. It may suck for the non-football programs, but I don't watch those anyway....
yup....cant wait for those games
Can't wait to watch USC-Northwestern, Oregon-Indiana, Washington-Maryland, for every decent game you presented above, there is twice as many shitty games I just daid
Yep! I'm sure you won't watch any BIG10 games involving UCLA😂
It’s care less
@@brianvillatoro6588eh, I’d watch, but then again I’m a fan of football.
Josh, I am not sure that the campuses at Cal, Stanford, Oregon State and Washington State are seeing flowers sprouting across their campus. The events of last week will cripple or decimate those programs. We should all hope that the ACC's Grant of Rights is as airtight as it appears or else that conference, and another 5-7 programs will have the same fate as the current Pac 4 schools.
Not exactly. The PAC-12 didn’t have any TV deal while the ACC has a deal similar to the big12 so their concern is losing Clemson, FSU, UNC and Miami to the B1G/SEC.
They can replace those teams with G5 teams but the other teams aren’t going anywhere.
They didn’t add teams like the Big12 because it splits the revenue even further.
The future in 10 years will be all streaming. Cable is a dying whale.
It would be extremely wise for the four remaining schools to get four more schools and sign a deal with all streaming.
@@dragonsurge1 the big 12 deal thoiugh, is if they add a team the revenue goes up for the conference, their deal was smart.
Might as well rip the band-aid off and go with 2 tiered FBS league. Drop all conferences for football. Keep them with more geographic concerns in mind for other sports. Have the top 64 compete for a natty in a logical 4 region format. Have an 8 game "regular season" that seeds a 64 team bracket. Worst 4 records get relegated to the 2nd tier (same format), top 4 from the 2nd tier move up.
@@thejfactor1
Streaming is the future, and it’s right now. That still doesn’t change the fact that I watch ESPN, ABC, and FOX Sports through streaming. Those are still the big three with college sports, whether it’s streaming or cable.
When Saturday rolls around, the last place I’m thinking of going when tuning into a channel to watch a game is Apple TV. We are not there yet. Someday, I can see it, but right now it’s not a thought.
But where does he get his white shirts
Academy Sports
Say, hypothetically, Texas Tech has to move to the Mountain West and couldn't even contend for a championship with an undefeated record. I'm not going to switch to root for another team in a larger conference because they have more exposure. The SEC and Big 10 will make more money, but each institution will only have the fans it had before realignment. If they want to make a NFL type of format with 30% of football teams, they will lose 70% of the market. Does that make sense or am I crazy?
Makes a lot of sense to me and something that many of my peers and myself have talked about. I watch many big, marquee match ups, but if my school was left out to dry I would stop watching college football altogether. I have had many discussions about these big, wealthy conferences killing the golden goose and making the whole thing crash and burn. So yes, what you said makes absolute sense.
@@DK-mj1ztThat is your schools fault for not being able to stay relevant
@@theread3480 Not sure what you mean. Relevant in what way? Wins and losses? The TV market the school is located in? Historical relevance? Every school has had lean years on the field and some schools have the luck of being in large metro areas with large TV markets. Much of this conference realignment has much more to do with timing and luck than anything. When was the last time Rutgers was "relevant"?
@@DK-mj1zt thanks for the reassurance 🤙
@DK-mj1zt agreed. What will eventually happen is the "power 2" will shed off the schools that don't make them any money. What they don't think about is if they only have the schools that have the biggest views, then the rest of the population is not watching those conferences compete. So would an alliance from the rest of the schools, a majority of programs, find a way to create more revenue than the "power 2"? With that, maybe have their own version of a championship that doesn't involve the selected 40 teams. In turn, have their own rules, like sharing revenue with the players, have longer eligibility, proper divisions that make sense, all kinds of freedoms and appreciations, etc. And reject all scheduling with any super conference teams as long as they are part of that conference. Idk. Just thinking of a way to give these execs the butt whooping that their parents should've.
The wild thing is that these decisions are made primarily because of football + mens basketball, but it affects most other sports at these schools. So now a Big Ten field hockey student athlete might play half their games on the coasts.
So… have separate conferences and tv contracts with different sports. It’s not rocket science.
Thanks for reminding us that the power is with the people! Great information. Thanks for sharing.
Dennis Dodd was right about the 4 corner schools joining the Big 12, it took GK showing his hand to get Utah and ASU to do a 180, but Dennis Dodd's prediction came true.
Those schools still wanted to stay, Bobby Robbins had to wake them up over the course of 3 days... They're still moaning, groaning, and talking elitist smack even after getting invited and accepted.
I didnt like OU/UT Leaving. I didn't like USC/UCLA leaving. I didn't like George Kliavkoff taking shots at the Big 12.... BUT I LOVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PAC12 SNOBS LAST WEEK!!
Texas and Oklahoma leaving just set off all the fireworks 💥
The Pate State fireside chat needs to be a weekly or monthly segment.
Things change so quickly!
A week ago, the B1G wasn’t going to add anymore teams until after the 2024 season.
I think they did college football a big favor by taking in schools....pretty sure the SEC is not going over 16.
@@wa1w511 Oh, I bet the SEC will increase in size to whatever the BIG does. You are talking bragging rights here. It's as simple as that.
@@wa1w511 they’re definitely going to want Clemson and FSU when the time comes
You are the first person that is really gone out on a limb and called this what it is these high-ranking jobs in conferences and at universities are held by a lot of incompetent people. Clearly we can all agree on that now and why they're in their job is the result of a variety of different things, most of which are not good.
Yeah it’s some bullshit
I am a Big XII fan and former Big 8 and 12 athlete I loved it!!! The Universities added value!!! For Pack 12 fans I understand, but for those of us who are not Pack 12 fans this made it more competitive!
Josh, I’m a Arkansas fan and what happens to teams in these big conferences that are average or pretty good, will they ever be in contention again ?
My advice is to get out of the SEC and shoot for the big 12 . I love how the big 12 is looking right now
No they wont
Yes they will with the tranfer portal and playoff expansion college football gonna be exciting it helps every program
No they won’t. The 3 stars you did get are now going to Texas or OU. It pushes the haves higher and the have nots lower.
Josh, great show.
Not only commissioners, college presidents, etc., but a lot of average reporters/ podcasters/ commentators have also been exposed in the last week. People who were complete homers or mouthpieces, or even flat out fools. Obviously they didn't make the choices for the conference, but the consequences can be damaging (see political reporting).
Fans commenting (like me!) are obviously going to generally be "my team to the death," with a hefty percentage us being fools to some extent. I hurt for those whose who feel their school's "to the death" has arrived.
Not being a Pac(#) fan, I objectively was stunned by a majority of the "reporting." Only pygmy tribal children are less "sourced" than I am, yet I kept thinking, "have these guys double-checked with credible, unbiased sources??" I won't throw names under the bus, but some of the reporting about the Pac was as incompetent as the leadership of the Pac. I wondered if they would prove me completely wrong, but it didn't happen.
Again, Josh, well done. Your ability to analyze and intelligently provide a new possible/plausible ripple effect was refreshing.
I’m SO curious what happens when teams who are accustomed to being in the upper echelon of their conferences (Texas, OU, USC) eventually become also-rans in their new destinations.
Texas hasn't been anything in the big 12 for over a decade. They feel it's more valuable to lose to teams in the SEC than to keep losing to Kansas. The only thing they've been upper echelon is preseason polls.
It won’t happen. Texas and OU are going to get better athletes in the SEC, so will usc in the big. They’re definitely not going to be also rans, especially with the 12 team playoff.
@@jamarreid1082 They all (the SEC teams) can’t win ALL the games. There can’t even mathematically be 4 or 5 two-loss teams in the same conference; especially if the buzz about the SEC getting Clemson and FSU comes to fruition.
Somebody who expects to win ain’t gonna be doing a whole lot of winning. The cream will rise to the top, and the rest will be…also-rans. They’re banking on “playoff berth-by-association”. Good luck to them with that.
#1 DE in 2024 just committed to Texas over lsu and Miami. These are big brands dude.
Hey bro, fair enough. I don’t disagree with you AT ALL. We’ll see how much room there is at the top in the next 5 years for the 10 or so programs that believe they have a legitimate shot at a national title every year. Being relevant for a season is one thing. STAYING relevant in the deepest conference in America is easier said than done. Somebody’s coaches won’t still be around by then - mainly because they can’t keep up.
Look no further back then the Southwest Conference..
There were programs that were left with no chair to sit on..
Rice, SMU, TCU and Houston
Now some of those programs are back, some are even further away.
An underlying factor to all of this is that these conferences were founded and held together largely because of the infrastructure of their era. I'm from SW Michigan and we are mostly Chicago sports fans because historically we only got Chicago TV and radio stations, but I see younger kids now starting to be fans of teams from all over, which is kinda cool in its own way. In this modern era we can see any game from anywhere, and the big schools have enough money to fly their players to any away games. There isnt the same glue anymore, and we are probably far from done with realignment.
SEC fan here. Hate to see what’s happening right now. Honestly feel bad the PAC-12 split up. The athletes especially non football and probably also basketball depending on the program are gonna have it rough for now. My hope is that we’ll see colleges come back to their senses and think of the athletes because think of it like this. If you have to have travel a couple thousand miles for some conference games you’re gonna have 1 a harder time recruiting players for non football sports in most cases, more expenses for said sports for travel, less kids are gonna come to your school or want to spend money if they can’t feel invested in the rivalries. Personally I hope the schools that have made the big moves for several thousand mile distances move back to regional conferences after a few years of seeing the side effects of this, but won’t be surprised if they sit on their butts. Regional conferences at least make sense, but these transnational conferences make no sense for the fan or the athlete.
I'm a Michigan fan. This realignment wave is a slap in the face of the fans of all conferences. Including the Big Ten. College football was better with a strong PAC 12 with USC and UCLA . It makes no sense for them to be in the B10. We just wanted the non conference schedule to include big time matchups with these type of teams. I don't get fans who get excited that their school is going to make 75 million from TV every year. Who cares??? Are they going to reduce tuition for all students? No. It's just money to build over the top facilities and pay pay coaches obscene salaries. RIP regional rivalries and road trips to close away games.😢
The realignment will be awesome for the big 10 and sec. Osu, Xichigan, usc , penn state get to duke it out in the same conference; and I’m definitely watching Georgia/Alabama/Texas/OU/ lsu. The playoff will be 12 teams, so stop being scared of taking an extra loss.
I’m happy it happened
From Manhattan KS
The football brands that are big want to play each other. The ones that aren't are the ones that are the most upset.
Selfishly I like, I get to see matchups and games I would never had seen in the out of conference schedule. Those old rivalries can still be kept but now we can develop new ones too…
untill the old rivalries can't be.
@@johnchall6796new rivalries will be made . Look forward
the end of the pac12 is the end of an era. for its sake I hope it can get some MW teams like air force. with ou and texas leaving the big12, it is nice to see the big12 taking in some of these teams. whats crazy is that the big12 got even better in basketball picking up arizona and houston. big12 was already #1 basketball team in the country, now with tcu, arizona, and houston joining next season, its almost comical.
I truly wish we could go back to regional conferences. My unrealistic ideal would be 12 conferences (6 power, 6 G5) each with 10 teams. So we'd get last years' B12 where every team plays everyone in a season. Then, 6 P5 (P6?) Champs, plus 1 or 2 G6 champs and at large teams to make a 12 team playoff.
Probably many things wrong with this, but it's fun to think about.
Yeah no. Give me like big games! Idgaf what city the teams are from I care that it's two big programs with big stakes playing on a big stage. Just playing the teams around you is wasting the fans time nobody cares if Oregon can beat Cal we care if they can beat PSU
@@45heisman give me my big games🤓🤓
Like ok, all large conference games in the past DECADE have been played by the og SEC 10(excluding TAMA) Original 11 B1G, the original 12 BXII, the original 10 PAC-12 and the same Southern ACC teams.
All the expansion teams in their conferences have underperformed, excluding TAMA and occasionally Missouri, Pittsburgh and Utah
This applies to more than just college football
I’m a UA student who is just thankful we got into a relevant conference and can stay relevant and didn’t get left behind
conferences kept expanding and getting bigger which is already something people were getting tired of if anything they could have made a 6th power conference and adjusted accordingly. get regionality back into the mix
When I saw the yule log shot, I died 😂
“Too many average people in positions of influence and authority.”
A real truth in today’s world
As an Oregon fan I am thrilled.. my Oregon state brothers not so much
When Texas and OU left the big 12 I was so mad. Now I think the Big 12 is gonna be ok.
I love this realignment, especially since the big 12 is having to reinvent itself. The ACC is hanging in the balance. The SEC will soon face actual competition, in the near future.
Since the 90s when the SEC, ACC and Big12 started raiding college football conferences, justice is about to be served.
This is the side of Late Kick that the people need going forward.
Profit > Tradition.
Even if you decide to throw your hands in the air and not support your college team/conference; there's about 5-10 new fans that will. The decision makers know this. The marketers know this. And there's no going back.
Football conferences don’t need to be connected the minor sports conferences. The school will still get the money to share with non-revenue sports. There are many schools that already separate their programs from football or basketball. ND is one example. Rick Petino has a point.
In a few years, it will be back to similar regional rivalries. The difference will be they will be called divisions instead of conferences.
No need for aTm, Mizzou, Nebraska, Colorado to leave the XII...why not go that far?
Listen, as a Big 12 fan, and Texas Tech fan. This last round was nice for us, we got more stability, more teams in areas relatively close to us. But now all of a sudden it’s a bad thing? No one at these networks said it was bad when Arkansas left the SWC for the SEC, or ATM and Mizzou left the Big 12 for the SEC, Nebraska for the Big, Colorado for the PAC. Or when finally OU and UT left for the SEC and the media was saying there was no point for the Big 12 to exist. Now that they’ve stabilized, and expanded, it’s a bad thing? Give me a break, it’s always been a bad thing, it’s just about survival and rebuilding for the Big 12. What is changing, is fans will continue to watch their conference and team, but people aren’t going to switch conferences or teams in mass because of realignment.
Nil and the portal were the start. Now this is just the aftershock. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again the portal and nil have ruined college football
Football is fine. Keep crying
Players were basically slaves to their programs before NIL and the transfer portal dude.
The actual game of football is more powerful than the businessmen running it. We can be disappointed, but we wont stop watching.
Absolutely true for some fanbases, then also probably not true for mediocre or worse program fans.
It’s just wild that an entire conference that had been around for over 100 years is going to be just a wiki page in 2025
It eventually will be regional non revenue sports and upper and lower tier football and hoops league. Just give it time.
It's simple. More Ohio State vs. Oregon, less Washington vs. Cal. It's about butts in the seats and viewers watching on TV. Life just keeps on getting busier, so people want more games that matter.
I know this is a football channel, but what about the other sports and groups with this conference realignment?
I’m in TBDBITL, and we could be going to Oregon or LA for mid-season games during midterms now. What about soccer, lacrosse, synchronized swimming, etc who travel commercially, competing 2-3 times a week?
Theyre not paying the bills so they don't give a shit about them sadly. The realignment was done for football, nothing more. Which is a shame but those schools will have to get use to it. Gonna be hell if you're at like usc for basketball then you have to fly to Rutgers for an away game then fly back home for a game versus Washington then back out to like Ohio state.
I think we are about to see some of the best college football of all time. In my opinion.
Agreed
Realignment isn't the only thing that is wrong. NIL and the transfer portal started us down the road of changing college football for the worse. Where did people think the money for these pay to play deals was going to come from?
FBS Football:
1. Eliminate all existing conferences.
2. Restrict the FBS to 130 teams.
3. Establish 10 13-team sub-divisions: (I, II, III, . . . X). (10 * 13 = 130).
4. Every year, each team plays 1 game against each of the 12 other teams in the sub-division. (Every team has a 12-game season.)
5. There must be 6 home games and 6 away games. No neutral-site games.
(a) Ok, maybe one game per year per team at a neutral site, … maybe.
6. No lead-in games. No warm-up games. No cupcake games.
7. Schedule:
(a) Each team in every sub-division will play a 12-game season spread out over 13 weeks.
(b) One bye week per team per season.
(c) Schedules and bye weeks will be randomly selected by computer.
(d) Last game of the regular season to be played on the weekend after TG.
(e) xxx.
8. Money.
(a) Broadcasting rights will be calculated at the sub-division level and will be split evenly amongst the 13 teams in the sub-division.
(b) New contract every year.
9. Recruiting. ???
10. Scholarships. ???
11. NIL. ???
12. At the end of the regular season:
(a) Rank each team in the sub-division based on their win-loss record.
(b) There will have to be NFL-style tie-breaking procedures in place.
(c) The top team in each sub-division becomes the “winner” of that sub-division.
(d) Relegate the bottom 2-4 teams from each sub-division to the sub-division beneath it.
(e) Promote the top 2-4 teams from each sub-division to the sub-division above it.
(f) Rinse, repeat.
13. Bowl games and championship:
(a) Select the top 8 teams from sub-division I to participate in the NC playoff.
(b) Populate the other bowl games from the remaining teams in all 10 sub-divisions.
(c) Conduct the bowl games and playoff games.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Pate this pissed
2 32 team conferences -- each broken into 4 8 team regional divisions . brings back the rivalries. makes making a play-off very neat. easy peasy.
I love what’s going on…CF needs to be overhauled,I want more chaos
Big12 made brilliant moves to save the conference and gain stability. Pac12 did the opposite and were overly confident for no reason
Seriously Josh, a lot of us knew this was going to happen last year when they announced UCLA and So Cal coming to the BIG. However , we didn’t know about the exodus to the big 12 and what consequences that will have. I don’t think it’s over yet ,so hang on your seat and don’t get too holy yet.
hate to break it to everyone, but the only reason those baseball players and softball players even get a chance to play those sports at their school is because of their school’s football program.
football and men’s basketball generate so much revenue that those 2 sports alone is the only reason it can pay for all of the schools other sports and still have money left over.
if the baseball or softball players don’t want to play and travel, enter the transfer portal instead of complaining.
I can assure you that SEC baseball programs pay for themselves
"A lot of people who never built anything on their own... took risks on their own.... there in the driver's seat they have no business being in." Well said commentary at 3:50. That's what this is about ultimately. That's what happens when the wrong people are in charge of multi-million-dollar and billion-dollar ventures throughout business. Example: Silicon Valley Bank.
This is true in all aspects except for the Silicon Valley Bank example. That collapsed not necessarily because if the people in charge of the bank, but because of a panic among tech twitter.
I think a better example is all of the banks that collapsed in 2008 because of their bets on weak securities and the housing bubble. (Lehman Brothers, Beat Stearns)
@@Redsox4444443 Well, I disagree from my understanding, even for a major regional bank, they weren't interested in serving the everyday customer but only the VIP clientele. When only a handful of alumni at these institutions run everything because of just how much money & political influence they have, it is questionable, nonetheless.
If College Football wants to save face, the B1G needs to add Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State and restore something of the Pac12 and its tradition in the B1G. SEC can also add Oklahoma State and Kansas to restore rivals for Mizzou and Oklahoma and restore some of the Big12 in the SEC. Bad Financial decisions for B1G and SEC but good moves for the sport.
I loved it! Give me the biggest best teams in a national brand.
What possible difference does it make which conferences exist and who's in them?
The Big 12 and Big 10 responded to the SEC by creating nationwide conferences that can play from 9am to 11p PST every Saturday.
The Pac12 had the worst tv deal in CFB, a lot of money potentially, but the visibility on streaming on Apple TV was never going to work. People out east were never going to subscribe to watch Pac 12 games that start at 10pm EST
There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 BIG12.
10:36 sometimes it's best to move on. Do what's best for YOU
Unusual freezing cold take from Pate here damn
This could be something great. If it ended up with just 2 or 3 superconferences, that could be a good thing as well. If the ACC folds, and the teams end up in the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12, and the remnants of the Pac 12 and up in one of those three. Then you could say "each of the 3 conferences gets 3 playoff slots, with 3 at large bid for the 3 highest rank teams not included in the conference slots." Or, you give 2 to each conference - 1 for the champion so it's guaranteed, and 1 for the next highest ranked team. Then 6 at large bids. Instead of what it is now with each of the power 5 getting a guaranteed slot, which is just bad. It's not fair to the stronger conferences. The SEC and the Big Ten. So if Penn State runs the table, and Ohio State, or Michigan has one loss, but USC loses 2 games, but still wins it's conference championship, they'd be in automatically, even if Michigan AND Ohio State are better teams.
There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 BIG12.
You sir, are spitting facts!
Walked from NFL AND NBA and Holy shit don't want CFB to go to hell in handbag...
“Let’s never allow this to happen again!” Florida State has entered the chat.
A ton of folks also support the realignment. The only ones really opposing it are fans of schools who will, rightly, be left out.
I'm not against realignment as whole but not at the expense of a major conference getting the axed and not at the expense of losing traditional rivalry games. What went down with the PAC 12 this week was a damn shame.
Completely disagree. Those ruvalry games can still be scheduled as OOC games. FSU and Florida do it every year. UGA an GA Tech do it every year.
Remember the Big Ten + ACC + Pac 12 "Alliance"? The Big Ten then straight up annihilated the Pac 12 and is trying to raid the ACC. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
Remember when the Pac12 almost caused the complete collapse of the Big12 about ten years ago?
@@theread3480 No. I remember Texas almost causing the complete collapse of the Big 12 with their selfish and bullying behavior. Colorado left for the Pac 12, sure. But Nebraska left for the Big Ten. Texas A&M and Missouri left for the SEC. All of them said it was because of Texas. And the Longhorn Network. Blaming the Pac 12 is just wrong.
I honestly could care less about the non revenue sports travel plights, but the erosion of tradition and “little guy” programs being screwed by the romantization of the playoff gives me great pause and puts a feeling of dread in the shadow of this season. Even with all the potential new great games and rivalries as a Umich fan
Well said JP
What happens to teams like Oregon Sate and Washington State? Asking as a very worried Beaver fan.
What happened to the SWC and old BIGEAST remainders?
Damn, I like it 😂
The problem is that the stands will be filled every Saturday because the collective still loves college football, and are not willing to give it up.
I like the changes and am not upset at all. Hope we see some more movement toward the SEC. The ACC may be the next conference to evaporate-hope so. Bad Karma is catching up to the ACC. Any conference that has a strong product and avid fans has nothing to worry about. The ACC is what the Pac12 WAS before all the defections.
No. The PAC had already waned to a Tier 2 conference before it depleted out. The ACC remains a Tier 1 but is likely to deplete out.
BS! I’ve been looking at the tv rankings for the last several years and the ACC wasn’t much difference than the PAC. The only difference between the two was timezones and when those games are played. You don’t get the views in the evening like you get in the early noon and afternoon time slots. The PAC was at a huge disadvantage compared to the conferences out east. That’s the reality. Don’t go propping your conference up like some high and mighty over another just to give yourself self worth. Clemson and FSU is what kept your conference relevant, not the conference. Remove those two teams and the ACC is no different than the Big 12 that you so loath.
@@jimedick9496 I don't loathe the B12 at all. I admire it for being able to stay afloat despite all the rumors. I'm an SEC fan not ACC. I agree about Clemson and FSU being the heart and soul of the ACC and when they leave the ACC will crumble. I hate the ACC because of the way the conference treated USC, a founding member, back in the early 70s when they virtually forced USC to withdraw. Now that Bad Karma is finally catching up to the ACC and they deserve it.
@@jimedick9496
"I’ve been looking at the tv rankings for the last several years and the ACC wasn’t much difference than the PAC"
I don't try to measure value myself, I look at what the market and actual events say. For the PAC I see:
a) USC/UCLA left because the PAC12 couldn't get a Tier 1 deal
b) The PAC10 was only offered a Tier 2 deal a year ago and then the offers got worse
c) The PAC10 couldn't eventually get a good enough deal to keep teams from leaving to the BIG12
As for the ACC, it has a Tier 2 deal that is considered "terrible". In context, that means way below actual value, which would be higher than the PAC12, PAC10, et. seq.
"Remove those two teams and the ACC is no different than the Big 12 that you so loath."
a) The BIG12 lost its top 6 and backfilled. An ACC that "just" loses CLEMSON/FSU isn't Tier 1 but doesn't need to backfill and would be better than the new BIG12.
b) I am apathetic to the BIG12.
Damn, sorry, that was meant for Tarheel.
Josh, can you do a quick segment & give your take on Uncle Lou?
The biggest issue is the general public on the west coast is not NEARLY as invested/interested in college football as the general public is in the Northeast, Midwest, East Coast, and certainly the Southeast?
Has anyone thought of implementing relegation/promotion system into college football? I think their needs to be some sort of realignment but creating a program where struggling programs get bumped down to rebuild in a “weaker” conference and promote the team that won the lower conference up. Ie: Tulane was awesome last year so bring them into the SEC and bump vandy down to American/Sunbelt.
i fucking love you josh....nail on the head
We need a NCAA commissioner
PAC 12 will ironically be the 2nd toughest conference in college football this season..
I dont mind conference realignment one bit. I would love to just have two superconferences that trim out the current fat of the Vandies and Rutgers of the world
I’m pumped about the new era. If you can’t control it you midaswell enjoy it
I'm a college football fan. A college football fan watches all conferences. This all kinda sucks.
As an old-timer, I’m still upset that they now allow forward passing. And don’t get me started on those helmets…
The people in charge of the PAC 12 are mostly to blame.
Larry Scott might be the worst manager of anything in the history of humanity. A random fan off the street could have done a much better job. Every decision he made was badly wrong.
I think you are far too optimistic about the fools hearing the discontent of the fans. Sure they might feel it now, but for the most part, the decisions have been made. When the CFP is in full swing and realignment is over those same fools will still be in positions of power and in 20 or so years those same fools or the fools that replace them will be in a position to do the same thing whatever the fans may want or desire.
We have seen this before the SWC, the WAC,. CUSA now the PAC soon the MWC and eventually the Big 12 .
I feel bad for the kids at these schools who don't play football. Those kids were never though about when all this went down.
These moves are going to kill non-revenue sports at the majority of these schools. It sucks for the kids and for the sport.
no it won’t, non-revenue sports kill themselves because they are non-revenue; don’t blame these moves. and the kids should enter the transfer portal then.
That's because water polo isn't a real sport 🤷♂️
@@mourka01 is baseball? Is soccer? Women's basketball? Gymnastics? Track? Those sports are going away, because it's going to cost to much to travel. As football fans, we need to keep in mind that college is just about football.
@massivedynamic2339 that's why they are getting more money.
@@massivedynamic2339 football teams pay the bills if stanford, cal, Washington state, or Oregon state wanna be upset be upset they gave up on what puts food on the table to feed the rest of the family.
Nice fireside chat Josh Pate, let me go way way back to the 1980's when OU OKLAHOMA and GEORGIA vs the NCAA lawsuit. Now let's fast forward to the Summer of 2023. Yes I did play college football NAIA division 1972-1976. SWOSU Weatherford, Oklahoma and I knew when OU was going to become a member of the SEC along with Texas. That was May of 2016 location Super Regional Softball The University of Oklahoma OU. Now lets fast forward to July 1st, 2024. My oh my has things changed. Enjoy your fireside chat in 2023 Josh Pate.
5 years ago I watched college football from ESPN GameDay at 9am through Pac-12 After Dark at 1:30am. Now. I watch my team and maybe one other game. I'm not boycotting. Just turned off. And I don't watch SEC and B1G regular season games not their title games after taking Texas and USC.
This is a disaster. They are killing college football and rivalry weeks. What is gonna happen to the Pac 12? You can't have a conference with only 4 teams.
Been going back and watching all of Bama’s NC games and just really getting ready for some football! Can’t miss out on the LK show!!
Well after we take the 3 peat you can continue watching old natty videos Gooo Dawgs Sickem
The Sec, taken everything tv deals,rings, an recruit's
I walked away from football years ago when i found that most players get brain damage. I only pay attention because this affects the women's sports that i shifted to, soccer, volleyball and gymnastics.
Nil. Transfer portal. Realignment. Replay challenges CFB is a shell of what I loved about it. Can't even get excited about recruiting if they can leave when they want
As a more progressive CFB fan who is in favor of most of those things, I will agree that NIL and the transfer portal can use tweaking. I think limits on NIL eligibility when transferring would solve a lot of the issue, as well as not being able to give NIL deals to high schoolers. I would still prefer just direct payments to players so that boosters acting "totally not on behalf of the school" can't poach players away and everything is above board.
I loved when players were forced to stay at 1 school, be exploited for their labor, and have games not decide who the winner is so biased refs can make bad calls and be upheld.
That’s what was great about CFB
@@DanLanningPRTeam yeah idk why people pearl clutch at some of those things lol. None of them affected the quality of games and the quality has arguably only gone up year after year
@@cruxofthesubject1402 objectively CFB is the most “confederate” sport if you catch my drift. From the commitment to “tradition” to the fact the SEC is the powerhouse while majority AA players make the money for rich white boosters, it becomes kind of clear what’s going on.
@ericstrelser153 I think people just miss the amateurism; players playing for "love of the game," staying in one place, etc. But now times are changing: this is a profession, especially for top players. In professions, you have the ability to leave if you find greener pastures. Traditionalists support this in the job market but they don't support it for players. They'll spout stuff about "signing contracts" and "integrity" when that just isn't how the real world works
More big games thats literal all i care about. There are still non conference games any rivalry thats important can stick around if they want to.