In under 5 years it will look like the NFL. Two Conferences, 4 divisions each, internal playoffs leading to Conference champion that plays the other conference's champ for National title.
Yep - it boils down to a battle between FOX Sports and ABC/ESPN. Fox has the expanding Big 10 and ABC/ESPN controls the top conference in the SEC. All future decisions will be driven primarily by TV ratings and what kind of TV numbers a team can draw. They will also consider many other factors, but they will start with TV ratings when all is said and done.
I completely agree this marks the beginning of the end for the ncaa in college football. Notre dame is going to have to make a choice for the football program
ND fan here....I kinda agree in the sense that youre gonna have to be a conference champion to get a spot in the CFP....but I don't think theyre gonna do it, not for a long time. theyre still making a ton of money from their NBC deal, so they don't need it really. It's just gonna force us to start playing real teams, not some of these bottom of the barrel teams that weve been scheduling recently. I really hope we don't go to the ACC, but all our other sports are there so we better get used to playing Virginia and Wake Forest every year instead of Mich, Mich St, OSU, etc
@@hrs1414 The way this thing is headed, the only teams in the playoff will be part of the B1G or the SEC. I guarantee you the ADs of Oregon, Washington, etc will be putting feelers out for the B1G right now. If more join, then ACC schools to start doing the same with the SEC. North, Midwest, and Pacific West to the B1G. South and Southwest to SEC. It's going to happen and those who hesitate might be left behind. Everyone else is going to have to form a playoff for themselves.
"Show me the Money!!" The largest TV markets in the country all in one college football conference coast to coast. The TV ratings for USC vs OSU, Michigan, PSU in LA or USC in the Shoe? The Big House or Happy Valley?
Let's just go ahead a name the conference NFL Farm Teams. "Realignment" has ruined college football. NCAA hasn't been relevant in decades, but the destruction of traditional rivalry and the fact that these college tickets are costing more than NFL teams has ruined it for students and alumni alike. These players aren't even students at this point. Just make the NFL be responsible for it's farm system the way it's done in baseball.
As a fan of one of these teams likely to be left behind in the shuffle this blows. There’s basically no reason to follow college football now unless your school/franchise is in the “Super League”
As a Seattle native and a big football fan I’m very worried about the pac 12. We already were dying compared to the other Power 5’s. If this happens (which it probably will because of money) we’re D.O.A.
Universities should create Schools of Athletics and stop the hypocrisy of student-athletes. Teach them how to play football, be coaches, trainers, etc. Anyone, who is serious about academics can cross educate in a legitimate school in the university.
@@skypirate6278 I'm not talking about THIS year. But USC has a long and storied history and they will undoubtedly have more great seasons in the future.
The best thing for the now " pac 10" to do is form a alliance with the big 12 and have their own playoff at the end of the year with 3 teams from each conference participating. The conference champion of each league gets a bye to the 2nd round. Ignore what the SEC and big 10 are doing because you can't compete with them now so just do your own thing.
I think we will see the major power5 teams form a super league of 30 to 40 teams. Then there will be a subtier that will be the Mississippi states, and Virginia's, and Baylor that will be actual college football. I think people will gravitate to those teams because it won't be so money driven in those leagues.
The fact that no business owners are looking at the NIL deal as a chance to make money tell you everything you need to know. Just blow it up, create a new league, and pay the players directly.
@Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT college football is still better in my opinion. Players only have 4 years of eligibility - so it feels like every team -no matter how much they suck - is potentially a few years away from contending for some type of title. Doesn’t ever feel like that with sucky NFL teams. But the biggest reasons are that there are so many colleges that you can cheer for your city/state/local team instead of a regional team or random team like a lot of NFL fans have to root for. College Football is more like English Premier League Soccer than any other US sport.
@@JabezGill I love college football but it doesn't compare to the nfl!All the nfl is are the best of the best players from college so they're bigger,faster and stronger.The nfl product has been amazing in recent years.Just look at last years playoffs.The nfl is king of all sports for 99% of us!
I look forward to USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten West and it still being Iowa and Wisconsin competing for the title with the random appearances of Northwestern.
@@ForsakenWar but how will he deal with patty Fitz's scheming this isn't the big 12 we play defense and manball in this conference not worried USC is garbage in the trenches
No way -- I’m a massive big ten fan but USC will be back by the end of 2022. By 2024 they should be a top 5 team in the country. Riley had Oklahoma in the top 10 every season - and now he has a much better pipeline of talent around him in Cali. OSU vs USC will be a massive rivalry It’ll be equivalent to Bama vs Georgia
Big 10 needs to just go ahead and snatch up Stanford, Oregon, ND and Washington. Much better academic fit in the Big 10 especially for ND and Stanford.
@@xavierbreath2227 oof. No thank you. Don't want the Arizona schools, Wazzu, or Oregon State. Not sure about Utah or Cal either.. I like the first proposal.... Oregon, Washington, ND, Stanford..... that would be enough.
It won't be good for college football if the Big 10 and SEC expand to 20 teams each. They will still play only 12 games per season and there will still only be one champion per conference each season and it will likely be one of the same five teams every season. The SEC and Big 10 may field 9 out of 12 teams in the playoffs every season and one of those two leagues will win the NC 9 out of 10 seasons. How much fun would it be to watch college football if there are only two conferences playing? Watching only two conference championship games every year and a playoff featuring the same teams that we saw during the regular season playing each other for a championship would be no fun to me.
OMG Rich!!! California native and Michigan alum here. I am so confused! Who can I hate more, 'the' Ohio State or USC?! But if USC & UCLA can bring the Rose Bowl and the Rose Parade to be the permanent home of the Big Ten Championship, I'm in!
I always thought the PAC and BIG10 should have merged with the Rose being the conference Championship. That would respect their historic partnership and look towards the future.
Why are "institutions of higher learning" in professional sports? They need to split off these athletic departments from the schools and stop making students pay to help support the athletic departments. It's BS.
No Scholarship money to players…give it to the kids studying Medicine, Science, Biology, Mathematics, Engineering, and any other areas of study that benefit American Society. Athletes are bottom feeders in the River of Life-particularly in the U.S. And particularly basketball and football players.
@@pilljr.3331 The smart kids get their own scholarships. I see what you mean tho. But without college athletics, kids don't hear about Baylor, Clemson, Duke, or Gonzaga.
@@pilljr.3331 if athletes are bottom feeders then why are all the other non-athletes spending so much time and money investing in what athletes do?…why dont they all just entertain themselves each weekend? Certainly they should all be smart enough to figure that out….or maybe they’ve acknowledged to themselves most of their lives just arent that interesting in comparison so thats why the pack out arenas and stadiums by the 10s of thousands each week
This started with Texas A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, etc moving to the Big 10 and SEC. This is like the 3rd big domino to fall, with UT and OU being #2. Not sure how many more before it all crumbles.
The NCAA will continue to have the Division 1 (FBS and FCS), Division 2 and Division 3 leagues but the big universities will leave the NCAA and form their own semi-pro league…. let’s call it the NIL. I’m not too thrilled about this but this is where we are headed for better or for worse the NCAA is getting ready to lose their relevancy. If all of the bread winners leave their conferences there won’t be much difference between the SEC, Big 10, ACC, PAC 12, Big 12, Sun Belt, WAC, Mountain West. I can see the bread winners in the FCS getting promoted into the FBS. Then, you can pretty much bet that half of the sponsored bowl games will be defunct. It might resort back to where it was in the 1980s when there were only about 8-10 Bowl Games.
To many Bowl games now anyway and most are not relevant and the host schools do not even support some. 8 -10 REAL bowl games of the 80”s not a bad idea.
As a fan of a current Power 5 team that is likely to be left behind, this feels like getting demoted to the minor leagues. If this happens there’s basically no reason for most athletic programs to exist.
Then eventually someone will buy it, maybe the NFL, and corporatize it and it will turn into the NIL into the G-League for football. Maybe each team is sponsored by a university at first but whether players are students gradually becomes inconsequential and eventually each university sells their sponsorship rights for billions of dollars. And then the universities start their own football teams for students that play in the same kind of local conferences as women's field hockey and college football becomes amateur again and everyone watches that instead of the NIL. So then kids can either 'go pro' out of high school and get paid or go to college and be an amateur student athlete and sign NIL deals if they are good. Just like we see in basketball
If all these moves mean the end of the monopolistic NCAA then I applaud it fully. We at SC have never forgiven the over reach that was perpetrated upon us. Good F'ing riddance..
The rest of the PAC 12 should combine with the leftover big 12. They could be the ACC of the west, or WCC. At least you’d have 2 powerhouse conferences and two “can be” competitive conferences.
Easy solution to this issue: 1) Two 20 team conferences, split into two divisions. 12 game schedule, playing all 9 division foes, 2 conference foes, and 1 non-alignment school (someone not in the two conferences). 2) Top 2 teams in each division are in the play-offs, competing to earn a trip to the "College Bowl". The next 6 teams in each Conference are matched with the comparably ranked school from the other conference, playing in a bowl game. The final 10 teams in each conference are free to accept invitations to privately run/financed games against schools not in either of the two conferences. 3) Have an 8 team play-off, similar to the NFL, with each conference champion going to the "College Bowl." 4) Encourage the creation of two additional conferences, with similar geography, as the top 2. Same set up for games, playoffs, and bowls. Every 2 years, the worst team in each top tier conference moves down, while the top team from each bottom conference moves up.
I think so too.. have classes for money management, social media presence, business ethics, basically things they will need to be successful after sports..
This is the airplane Super Conference people talked about in the 50's where two Super Conferences will reign Supreme. Big 12 is looking like a High mid Major if Baylor, Ok st decides to join the Pac 12 or ACC
@@borbafatt Geographical wise, Baylor and Ok St are closer to the West Coast. A Texas school in the Pac 12 has lots of relevance with Californians from the Bay Area and Los Angeles moving to Texas in high numbers. It makes sense to have a Texas school in 3 of the Power 5 Conferences. Kansas is always going to be high caliber in basketball, but football has its ups and downs.
@@edwardnygma2702 If that’s the case and they want a Texas market Texas Tech is worth 5 times what Baylor is. Despite their recent success in football and basketball Baylor is, along with TCU ,the least valuable programs in the big 12
The move of USC & UCLA is the beginning of the end of student athletes as amateurs. The kids are going to see this mercenary move, and say "Show me the Money."
As a USC fan this move makes sense because since the inception of the college football playoffs and even before that during the BCS the PAC-12 teams always had to go undefeated just to sniff the national championship game. A one loss big 10 or SEC team still had a shot whereas USC had to go undefeated and even Oregon had to as well
Wrong. A one loss PAC12 powerhouse always had a chance to go to the playoffs. The last time the Ducks has a 10 one loss was in 2014 and Helfrich took then to the playoffs where they lost to Ohio State. Prior to that the last time the Ducks had a one loss team was in 2012 under Chip Kelly was in 2012. USC has not had an undefeated team or one loss team since 2004 under Pete Carroll. Two loss teams never make the playoff. And, the SEC plays 8 conference games and most of their teams schedule a auto-win for their midseason conference game. As an example, Alabama played New Mexico State for their tenth game of the season last year. So they had an 8 game conference season, a bye, and a late season game against NMS. In 2019 they played NMS early and Western Carolina late. If the commsioner of the PAC12 had any brains he would demand our season be changed to 8 conference games, like the SEC, so we don't cannibalize our own. All the teams would schedule a late season patsy like in the SEC. And we would not have night games, which are never watched in the mid-west or east and so our ratings are in the toilet. AND, we would never allow any of our teams a start time for an away game earlier than a time adjusted for noon PST time. No more noon EST games which is a 9:00 a.m. PST time which means the kids are up at 5:00 a.m. to get ready for a game. Being mach isn't cool, its stupid when it costs you wins. Its all just really stupid and self defeating. If we made the changes I speak about The PAC 12 would end up with four or five teams every season with one or two losses fighting it out at the end, and TV audiences would be huge - no one watches 2 loss teams out of playoff contention at the end of a season fighting for a second tier bowl game, which is exactly what the PAC12 has been the last so many years. We have just screwed ourselves in the PAC12 with schedule mismanagement and short term greed. Looking for a payday with night games has cost the conference huge over the long haul. Anyway, you get my drift.
And part of the agreement when the Pac-10 became the Pac-12 was that Cal and Stanford had to play USC and UCLA every year. That tradition will be dead now.
The conferences are officially done. We can thank the southern pricks for starting this. So much for local pride. I can’t wait to root for….Hawaii vs Boston College in the ACC. I can’t believe this is happening. I know it’s all $ but traditions are being destroyed
College Football Playoffs Relegation System. Tier 1-30 Teams who are eligible for the 12 Team CFP tournament. Only allowed to schedule other teams in tier 1. Bottom 5 teams get relegated to tier 2 every year. Tier 2-30 Teams who will play the traditional regional schedule and have the chance to earn spots into the CFP tier. Top 5 ranked bowl champs will replace the bottom 5 from tier 1. Tier 2 can play tier 2 and top half of tier 3. Bottom 4 teams are relegated to 8 team relegation playoffs. Tier 3-20 Teams who will play a traditional regional schedule similar to tier 2. Will play bowls and top 4 teams will play with tier 2 and 8 team playoffs.
As a 50 year fan of the big ten, imo these two schools are way too far away from our region. Travel expenses are going to be insane. There are more sports than just football.
And, lose the lucrative east coast cable TV revenue? Rutgers, Maryland and their cable market (to carry the B1G Network) is the reason they were invited into the conference and, one of the reasons the conference can possibly land a 1.1 billion dollar TV rights deal. Fans always think football when these deals go down. It's not football, it's the dollars. Obviously, the conference is willing to suffer mediocre sports in exchange for a cool billion. And, that's before USC, UCLA and their cable market was a factor. With that the conference could be looking at a 1.5 billion dollar TV deal. Cha ching!
@@timnor4803 If there's enough NIL money, there's no need for scholarships anymore. If that happens, football and men's BB no longer need to be concerned about title 9. The NCAA would only be necessary for non-revenue sports. It would be a huge blow for women's college sports as well as the NCAA, which would have almost all its funding cut.
@@onehorsetoomany8006 I will say, assuming this is all about football, the NCAA won't lose much revenue. Almost the entirety of its current earnings actually come from the D1 Basketball tournament. I'm not sure they make anything important from football anymore, since they're not in charge of the FBS.
@@edwardcardona717 Exactly correct, and if there's any sport where NIL is bigger than football, it's men's basketball. If men's basketball goes full NIL, without scholarships, why do they need the NCAA?
I think a 16 team playoff is a wonderful idea. It makes teams like Alabama actually play competitive teams and win multiple games before any national championship bid.
I do some work for the Pac-12 and have been with them for 15 year. This is breaking my heart and I hope it does not happen. Tradition is dead if So Cal leaves the Pac-12, original members of the Pac-8.
The administrators pulling the strings don’t give a crap about tradition or legacy, they just want a new yacht man. I’m fine either way, I don’t really give a crap about some olds from the 60s and 70s. Give me NFL lite baby, that way we get to see the big boys clobber each other in the field more often.
If the full re-alignment comes down as everyone is expecting, and Big 10 goes to roughly 20 teams, wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Rutgers and Maryland get bumped out, so that there is room for Oregon/Wash/Stanford and maybe a Cincy to join up. Rest of PAC 12 merges with remainder of Big 12 to become a super Mid-Major.
That’s what I’m kind of thinking. They should join and become the ACC of the west, the PCC or WCC. That’ll leave 2 powerhouse conferences and 2 “could” be competitive conferences. Football wise.
@@FAITHandLOGIC if they could, I’d trade out for Rutgers and Maryland for Oregon and Washington. Oregon is ranked at estimated 26th most watched, Washington at 28th, while Maryland is 54th and Rutgers 75th. Regardless of what market they play in, Oregon and Washington pull in way more viewers. Money wise, it’s a no brainer.
Both those schools will be in the big 10 soon enough. its not stopping at 16, not stopping at 17 when ND joins. its end up at 24-26 after 3-5 more years pass and TV deals expire. the SEC will end up getting teams like Texax Tech, Okie state, Baylor, ETC. there will be 2 mega conferences soon. 2 24-26 school conferences
Sucks for the Pac 12 but if the Big 10 can get some other schools like Oregon Washington Norte Dame that’s a dope league and is spread from coast to coast.
@@RedFive03 i like the ducks, even though i am a Michigan fan. i have always liked Oregon. except for that loser Joey Harrington the lions got. but i can forgive lol
No one cares about UCLA football. USC & Oregon are the only teams that matter in the PAC-12. There’s no point in doing this without bringing Oregon along.
Thanks for discussing. It was a shock when I read the news, but it shouldn't have been. After doing some research, I learned a coast-to-coast super-league isn't such a new idea (see the ill-fated "Airplane Conference"). Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular (and sports fan)
@@yung1smitty I thought they actually had 14? And 2 affiliates. Anyways eventually it will look something like 4 main Conferences with about 18-20 maybe more teams in each. Twelve-Sixteen team playoffs. Should be interesting. At this point anybodys guess is as good as any. But I think you missed my meaning. Oak fans thought Reilly was avoiding the SEC so he went to a lesser Conference the Pac 12. So with that reasoning now that there going to the Big 10 he will run to the lesser Conference the Big 12 or ACC. I know. Dumb joke.
It would be logistically ideal to have Oregon, ND, Washington, and others join the Big Ten but the addition of each school would require contributing $100 million in TV revenue to justify it. Notre Dame would obviously cover it but Oregon and Washington it’s hard to say. Part of the problem (and reason UCLA/USC left the Pac-12) is the geographic isolation and low population of western states. If you take the population of states and neighboring states comprising each conference, the Pac-12 has by far the smallest population. It’s not that Portland and Seattle aren’t big markets but they are at least 600 miles from the next closest population centers. It’s a big part of the Pac-12’s decline in recent years. They just don’t get that much exposure.
This is the first step toward Big Ten going to 20 teams. I could see them getting Oregon and Washington from Pac, and then maybe two teams from ACC (potentially Clemson and Miami). Will separate into West and East regions is my prediction.
I actually think the SEC gets Clemson and Florida State at some point. Big Ten has shown they’ll only go after AAU schools…if they stick with that. Good options though…Stanford, Washington, UNC, Pitt, Georgia Tech…
Can you imagine if USC and UCLA leave for the B1G? They'd have Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York as markets, plus as academic powerhouses, USC and UCLA would join academic powerhouses such as Northwestern, Wisconsin, and Michigan (notice no Ohio State mentioned). I'd feel bad for the Pac-12 because, u like the SEC, they have integrity, but as a Big Ten man, I'd be thrilled.
As an SEC man, an Aggie myself, my only worry is conferences like the B1G 10 or SEC taking in more teams and watering down the conferences. I like Texas and OU joining the SEC, and SC and UCLA joining the B1G. Those programs, aside from OU, might not have been very competitive here lately, but they bring rich winning historic legacies that will always rebuild and become powerhouses again at some point.
@@antoniosaxon8605 Not joking at all. USC and UCA are close to Michigan, but not quite. You're thinking of Cal and Stanford as being academically superior.
@@Tom-kq3ng and Philadelphia via Penn State. Now if they cam get Cal and Stanford, they'd add San Francisco and have all of the seven most powerful urban areas in the US.
Anyone remember that alliance spear headed by the Big 10 after UT and OU announced their departure to the SEC? Well perhaps it wasn't really an alliance, perhaps it was a fishing expedition by the Big 10 to hunt for new members to join the conference.
Now THIS is why I can't help but like Rich Eisen -- he sees the entire construct from the perspective of the players, which is how it should be and should have been from that first game between Rutgers and Princeton. Well said Mr. Eisen.
Best thing to do is to establish a system right away. Just go to a 2 conference system, Big10 and SEC both get approx 30 teams, place them in divisions that r close in proximity so teams aren’t traveling a bunch. Unfortunately, we all know none of this will happen and we’re gonna through a 20 years process of teams slowly being picked off from conferences. This will cause teams like USC to have to travel out East 3-4 times a year. They shouldn’t have moved unless they knew Oregon, Wash, Utah and 1 other were coming. Although these administrators talk, maybe they do know it’s coming
This helps UCLA & USC academically too, in terms of reputation & research funding. Those two schools, along with Stanford, Cal & Washington, are more comparable to B1G schools in that way.
Really? UCLA needs no such enhancements. It already is one of THE most academically endowed Uni's in the world and has always been top 3 in research in the country.
@@richardthelionheart5594 currently they get roughly 30 million for their TV deal. if they jump to the big 10, that would triple. and now that the big 10s TV deal is expiring, they will push that they have games in every time zone, games in the top 5 markets in the country. each big 10 team will get 120 million a year. and UCLA is 65 million in athletic debt. they would be out of that in 1 year when they join a real conference
@@lennchadful your numbers are slightly off Altho I agree in principle. Best news is this windfall would free up deep pocket boosters to invest in NIL deals.
Yes, UCLA is a better fit with B1G than PAC12 because they are a research powerhouse. Other B1G schools have historically benefited from their collective research strength, and UCLA will augment that. In return, UCLA will do a bit better too.
@@jimasplund5257 Every school claims many Nobel laureates but I think UCLA stands alone in having SEVEN Nobel laureates who got their bachelors degree at UCLA.
Rich takes are always so mediocre. First off, Penn State does always play Michigan State as their last game, OSU, and Michigan. OSU always plays PSU, UM, and MSU. Yea the divisions aren’t totally even but he made it seem like Michigan gets a tougher schedule than OSU and PSU, which isn’t true. Also, he acts like you can walk from Norman to Gainesville, or from Austin to Lexington. That’s traveling too
How about a super academic athletic conference with Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Michigan, Notre Dame, UC Berkeley [Cal], UCLA, Washington? Where student athletes would actually be students.
@@johnnyd3155 Times World Rankings 2022: Stanford [4], UC Berkeley [8], UCLA [20], Duke [23], Northwestern [24], Michigan [24], University of Washington [29], Vanderbilt [113], Notre Dame [183].
I'd do one with basketball prestige instead, forming a league with DUKE, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, Baylor, Villanova, Syracuse, etc. and if Oregon doesn't get picked up by a major conference, then they get an invite as well, this angle is better for viewership
If they unionize, who do they negotiate with? Schools aren't paying them directly, NIL are endorsement deals, not salaries like the NFL. Different system. 13:16 And lose to them all!
The Big Ten is the PREMIERE College Football league in the nation. No other conference is coast to coast and no other conference has schools in LA, Chicago, and New York City.
I think Nike and Phil Knight giving Oregon 1 billion dollars had a lot to do with it. USC and UCLA saw they would have a hard time keeping up with Oregon's NIL cash, and that is why the Big 10 doesn't seem to be interested in Oregon because of the financial crunch that would result. I know the Big 10 and USC / UCLA had alums with deep pockets, but I haven't heard of any of them giving that much cash.
In 2020 Big Ten payout was $54million, SEC $45million, PAC-12 $33 million. This is why USC and UCLA want to join the Big Ten. An extra $20+million a year. If anything USC and UCLA will probably enhance that. Can you imagine the draw of USC - Ohio St, USC - Michigan, USC - Penn St, USC - Nebraska. It will make the Big Ten comparable to the ACC in basketball as well. Academically the Big Ten will be 2nd to only the Ivey league. Right now the Pac 12 is second academically.
This is inevitable: Big 10 East OSU, Mich, MSU, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers Big 10 North Wisc, Minn, NW, Illinois, Purdue, IU Big 10 Central Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Kansas Big 10 West Wash, Oregon, Cal, USC, UCLA, Stanford
@@povertyspec9651 They're AAU schools. Colorado is a growing market. Kansas has a great basketball program, although I admit that's probably the weakest school of the 24. Could also go get a school like Notre Dame. But I think 24 schools will be the magic number, and the new additions are going to be mostly the cream of the crop of the Pac 12 (sorry Oregon St., Arizona St., and Washington St.)
In under 5 years it will look like the NFL. Two Conferences, 4 divisions each, internal playoffs leading to Conference champion that plays the other conference's champ for National title.
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Pretty much. The only stickler is how they get rid of schools like Vanderbilt and Northwestern.
Yep - it boils down to a battle between FOX Sports and ABC/ESPN. Fox has the expanding Big 10 and ABC/ESPN controls the top conference in the SEC. All future decisions will be driven primarily by TV ratings and what kind of TV numbers a team can draw. They will also consider many other factors, but they will start with TV ratings when all is said and done.
It's not gonna be that simple. There's always gonna be somebody that wants in.
this was my thought too.
I completely agree this marks the beginning of the end for the ncaa in college football. Notre dame is going to have to make a choice for the football program
ND fan here....I kinda agree in the sense that youre gonna have to be a conference champion to get a spot in the CFP....but I don't think theyre gonna do it, not for a long time. theyre still making a ton of money from their NBC deal, so they don't need it really. It's just gonna force us to start playing real teams, not some of these bottom of the barrel teams that weve been scheduling recently. I really hope we don't go to the ACC, but all our other sports are there so we better get used to playing Virginia and Wake Forest every year instead of Mich, Mich St, OSU, etc
Should of joined the Big Ten ND. Was the best conference for them.
@@hrs1414 The way this thing is headed, the only teams in the playoff will be part of the B1G or the SEC. I guarantee you the ADs of Oregon, Washington, etc will be putting feelers out for the B1G right now. If more join, then ACC schools to start doing the same with the SEC. North, Midwest, and Pacific West to the B1G. South and Southwest to SEC. It's going to happen and those who hesitate might be left behind.
Everyone else is going to have to form a playoff for themselves.
ND is overrated but they need to pick a side now!
Norte Dame in the Big 10 now would be golden! No pun, but with USC and Notre Dame in the same conference in football, He’ll yes!
"Show me the Money!!" The largest TV markets in the country all in one college football conference coast to coast. The TV ratings for USC vs OSU, Michigan, PSU in LA or USC in the Shoe? The Big House or Happy Valley?
Yep a true national conference. Pick up The U and nearly all major TV markets in country are covered .
But no national championships north of Columbus...
Let's just go ahead a name the conference NFL Farm Teams. "Realignment" has ruined college football. NCAA hasn't been relevant in decades, but the destruction of traditional rivalry and the fact that these college tickets are costing more than NFL teams has ruined it for students and alumni alike. These players aren't even students at this point. Just make the NFL be responsible for it's farm system the way it's done in baseball.
98% won’t make the nfl though…
@@cc-92 same them with 98% of minor league players unfortunately it’s never about the mass only about the few
This is a horrible take, college football is extremely relevant
As a fan of one of these teams likely to be left behind in the shuffle this blows. There’s basically no reason to follow college football now unless your school/franchise is in the “Super League”
Exactly. It is now a farm league for the NFL.
It is crazy how our conferences used to be regional based and now west coast teams may soon play in the BIG 10
Its going to happen..Big Ten West in inevitable...
May soon? It’s a guarantee my guy. A lot of changes coming soon. Gonna look very different
As a Seattle native and a big football fan I’m very worried about the pac 12. We already were dying compared to the other Power 5’s. If this happens (which it probably will because of money) we’re D.O.A.
pac 12 is dead UW and Oregon need to jump ship now
@@shigeolincolntaco Where would they go tho? One to SEC one to Big10?
@@jakes1677 It's B10 or bust at this point the pac is dead with no LA schools in the conference it's over
@@jakes1677 big ten won’t take both only one and notre dame
@@jakes1677 Big 12?
But deep down this is 1 of the saddest events in college sports history...
Nope/ it’s evolution baby
It’s a dying sport. Boomers being main audience are slowly dying off
@@jorgy1470 Nice PJ reference, but this is 100% the path to eventual extinction.
@@alia1824 college students are the main audience for college sports obviously, not boomers. I don’t know where you would get that from
The PAC12 had years to improve and failed. Blame those in charge.
Universities should create Schools of Athletics and stop the hypocrisy of student-athletes. Teach them how to play football, be coaches, trainers, etc. Anyone, who is serious about academics can cross educate in a legitimate school in the university.
Hard to imagine USC being the Big 10 representative in the Rose Bowl.
Don’t worry, they won’t get to that level anyways! Haha!
Why do you think that USC can compete in the big 10 if they can’t compete in the PAC 12 in football anymore? What’s your justification?
@@skypirate6278 I'm not talking about THIS year. But USC has a long and storied history and they will undoubtedly have more great seasons in the future.
I remember when European Super League came up Rich called this all along. Such a humble host tho
The best thing for the now " pac 10" to do is form a alliance with the big 12 and have their own playoff at the end of the year with 3 teams from each conference participating. The conference champion of each league gets a bye to the 2nd round. Ignore what the SEC and big 10 are doing because you can't compete with them now so just do your own thing.
That's cute but those schools still don't have no clout or money
I think we will see the major power5 teams form a super league of 30 to 40 teams. Then there will be a subtier that will be the Mississippi states, and Virginia's, and Baylor that will be actual college football. I think people will gravitate to those teams because it won't be so money driven in those leagues.
@@mistanderson basketball wise they do. Texas Tech, Kansas, Baylor, Arizona, Oregon, Cal have good Bball programs.
@@xbotnpc420 Ummm this is all about Football. These moves are FOOTBALL money moves not basketball moves. Football carries everything
If USC and UCLA leave the PAC-12 then Oregon has to leave which means the PAC-12 is done.
Pac 12 is dead now
And that's not a bad thing!🥂😎👍
The fact that no business owners are looking at the NIL deal as a chance to make money tell you everything you need to know. Just blow it up, create a new league, and pay the players directly.
@Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT college football is still better in my opinion. Players only have 4 years of eligibility - so it feels like every team -no matter how much they suck - is potentially a few years away from contending for some type of title.
Doesn’t ever feel like that with sucky NFL teams.
But the biggest reasons are that there are so many colleges that you can cheer for your city/state/local team instead of a regional team or random team like a lot of NFL fans have to root for.
College Football is more like English Premier League Soccer than any other US sport.
NIL?
@@nochepatada NAME. IMAGE. LIKENESS. College players able to make money using NIL as the cover
@@lennchadful I figured they didn't mean National Indoor Lacrosse
@@JabezGill I love college football but it doesn't compare to the nfl!All the nfl is are the best of the best players from college so they're bigger,faster and stronger.The nfl product has been amazing in recent years.Just look at last years playoffs.The nfl is king of all sports for 99% of us!
I look forward to USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten West and it still being Iowa and Wisconsin competing for the title with the random appearances of Northwestern.
Divisons will be gone in next year or two.
Lol... you don't want USC... Riley building one of those super teams and now with NIL USC boosters have a lot deeper pockets then Iowa boosters😅
this is truly the golden age of B1G West football
@@ForsakenWar but how will he deal with patty Fitz's scheming this isn't the big 12 we play defense and manball in this conference not worried USC is garbage in the trenches
No way -- I’m a massive big ten fan but USC will be back by the end of 2022.
By 2024 they should be a top 5 team in the country.
Riley had Oklahoma in the top 10 every season - and now he has a much better pipeline of talent around him in Cali.
OSU vs USC will be a massive rivalry
It’ll be equivalent to Bama vs Georgia
Big 10 needs to just go ahead and snatch up Stanford, Oregon, ND and Washington.
Much better academic fit in the Big 10 especially for ND and Stanford.
Those teams joining makes the most sense with what has just happened. I would support that move.
Who cares about academics?? It's all about the $$$$$$!
Just completely absorb the pac 12 as a whole.
@@xavierbreath2227
oof. No thank you. Don't want the Arizona schools, Wazzu, or Oregon State. Not sure about Utah or Cal either.. I like the first proposal.... Oregon, Washington, ND, Stanford..... that would be enough.
It won't be good for college football if the Big 10 and SEC expand to 20 teams each. They will still play only 12 games per season and there will still only be one champion per conference each season and it will likely be one of the same five teams every season. The SEC and Big 10 may field 9 out of 12 teams in the playoffs every season and one of those two leagues will win the NC 9 out of 10 seasons. How much fun would it be to watch college football if there are only two conferences playing? Watching only two conference championship games every year and a playoff featuring the same teams that we saw during the regular season playing each other for a championship would be no fun to me.
OMG Rich!!! California native and Michigan alum here. I am so confused! Who can I hate more, 'the' Ohio State or USC?! But if USC & UCLA can bring the Rose Bowl and the Rose Parade to be the permanent home of the Big Ten Championship, I'm in!
I Hate University of Michigan
@@antoniosaxon8605 we hate you Antoinette 😘
I always thought the PAC and BIG10 should have merged with the Rose being the conference Championship. That would respect their historic partnership and look towards the future.
It will stay in Indy.
I doubt things like the rose bowl are going to matter before long
Why are "institutions of higher learning" in professional sports? They need to split off these athletic departments from the schools and stop making students pay to help support the athletic departments. It's BS.
"And if the kids can get an education out of it too...." lol
No Scholarship money to players…give it to the kids studying Medicine, Science, Biology, Mathematics, Engineering, and any other areas of study that benefit American Society. Athletes are bottom feeders in the River of Life-particularly in the U.S. And particularly basketball and football players.
@@pilljr.3331 The smart kids get their own scholarships. I see what you mean tho. But without college athletics, kids don't hear about Baylor, Clemson, Duke, or Gonzaga.
@@pilljr.3331 if athletes are bottom feeders then why are all the other non-athletes spending so much time and money investing in what athletes do?…why dont they all just entertain themselves each weekend? Certainly they should all be smart enough to figure that out….or maybe they’ve acknowledged to themselves most of their lives just arent that interesting in comparison so thats why the pack out arenas and stadiums by the 10s of thousands each week
@@pilljr.3331 we masses need the modern bread & circus my friend.
@@pilljr.3331 "bottom feeders"? Whats with this bitter attitude towards student-athletes?
This started with Texas A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, etc moving to the Big 10 and SEC. This is like the 3rd big domino to fall, with UT and OU being #2. Not sure how many more before it all crumbles.
Yep Texas Longhorns and A&M squabbled over tv rights. That spurred the move
Colorado started this. They will be the biggest losers in the end. I bet they come crawling back to the B12 and i hope thr B12 tells them to get lost.
The NCAA will continue to have the Division 1 (FBS and FCS), Division 2 and Division 3 leagues but the big universities will leave the NCAA and form their own semi-pro league…. let’s call it the NIL. I’m not too thrilled about this but this is where we are headed for better or for worse the NCAA is getting ready to lose their relevancy.
If all of the bread winners leave their conferences there won’t be much difference between the SEC, Big 10, ACC, PAC 12, Big 12, Sun Belt, WAC, Mountain West. I can see the bread winners in the FCS getting promoted into the FBS. Then, you can pretty much bet that half of the sponsored bowl games will be defunct. It might resort back to where it was in the 1980s when there were only about 8-10 Bowl Games.
To many Bowl games now anyway and most are not relevant and the host schools do not even support some. 8 -10 REAL bowl games of the 80”s not a bad idea.
As a fan of a current Power 5 team that is likely to be left behind, this feels like getting demoted to the minor leagues. If this happens there’s basically no reason for most athletic programs to exist.
Then eventually someone will buy it, maybe the NFL, and corporatize it and it will turn into the NIL into the G-League for football. Maybe each team is sponsored by a university at first but whether players are students gradually becomes inconsequential and eventually each university sells their sponsorship rights for billions of dollars.
And then the universities start their own football teams for students that play in the same kind of local conferences as women's field hockey and college football becomes amateur again and everyone watches that instead of the NIL. So then kids can either 'go pro' out of high school and get paid or go to college and be an amateur student athlete and sign NIL deals if they are good. Just like we see in basketball
USC and UCLA are going to play 10 conference basketball games where the shortest flight will be a 6-hour round trip to Lincoln, Nebraska.
Imagine like the tennis team or the wrestling team. It will be rough but clearly USC and UCLA have factored all that in
@@markwilliams9963 I'd imagine they drop all other sports except football and basketball into a west coast league.
Are you a grandma? 6 hours is nothing
More like 4-5 hours but yeah crazy
players have nothing better to do anyway
The dominance of the SEC since 2006 and addition of Oklahoma and Texas has led to the creation of super conferences.
If all these moves mean the end of the monopolistic NCAA then I applaud it fully. We at SC have never forgiven the over reach that was perpetrated upon us. Good F'ing riddance..
USC v. Michigan each year? Sounds pretty good ..... UCLA vs. Wisconsin ....nice -----folks....its a whole new ballgame
The world of College Football, in the ‘50-‘90, is gone forever
Michigan vs USC sounds so good every year
UCLA vs Indiana in basketball got me excited
ESPN has destroyed college sports
Rich wants a fair schedule while Michigan plays a complete joke of a schedule this year.
Well put. Rich , much love to you and the team there.
Big Ten should get Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Notre Dame also and have two divisions. Big Ten West and Big Ten East. 10 teams each.
No. B1G Pac West and B1G Pac East.
The rest of the PAC 12 should combine with the leftover big 12. They could be the ACC of the west, or WCC. At least you’d have 2 powerhouse conferences and two “can be” competitive conferences.
Stupid. Never happen. Oregon isn't going anywhere.
Not a terrible idea
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s Good luck!
Easy solution to this issue:
1) Two 20 team conferences, split into two divisions. 12 game schedule, playing all 9 division foes, 2 conference foes, and 1 non-alignment school (someone not in the two conferences).
2) Top 2 teams in each division are in the play-offs, competing to earn a trip to the "College Bowl". The next 6 teams in each Conference are matched with the comparably ranked school from the other conference, playing in a bowl game. The final 10 teams in each conference are free to accept invitations to privately run/financed games against schools not in either of the two conferences.
3) Have an 8 team play-off, similar to the NFL, with each conference champion going to the "College Bowl."
4) Encourage the creation of two additional conferences, with similar geography, as the top 2. Same set up for games, playoffs, and bowls. Every 2 years, the worst team in each top tier conference moves down, while the top team from each bottom conference moves up.
Need to divorce athletics from academics. Just make them pros/minor leagues like MLB.
Honestly it’s basically a tier of professional athletics at this point lol
Yup because not all teams have same requirements for actual academics requirements of players
I think so too.. have classes for money management, social media presence, business ethics, basically things they will need to be successful after sports..
Who would pay them? The majority of college football players still benefit more from the degree too
halfway there in one short year
Now the Big 10 network has the top 3 market's New York, Los Angeles and Chicago winner is the Big 10 network
As an Oregon State alum I think we are heading to the Sun Belt Conference in a few years, what a fucking train wreck.
i like Oregon State. you guys need to aim higher than the damn sun belt. start begging the SEC or Big 10 now. youll die in the sun belt
Every ACC, PAC 10, and Big 12 school are asking to get into the SEC and Big10.
Big10 has an academic standard that has to be met, so most schools don't even qualify.
All the leftovers need to form a super conference!
Universities need to simply promise a degree no matter how long it takes if the NCAA wants any semblance of integrity
No integrity at NCAA if it disappears completely it would be the best outcome. Losing traditional rivalries will suck. USC versus Iowa, who cares?
If you want a college sports league where the athletes are students athletes, Division 3 football is there. Its in pretty much every state too
This is the airplane Super Conference people talked about in the 50's where two Super Conferences will reign Supreme. Big 12 is looking like a High mid Major if Baylor, Ok st decides to join the Pac 12 or ACC
Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State are worth more to other conferences than Baylor who has almost no alumni base or fan base.
@@borbafatt Geographical wise, Baylor and Ok St are closer to the West Coast. A Texas school in the Pac 12 has lots of relevance with Californians from the Bay Area and Los Angeles moving to Texas in high numbers. It makes sense to have a Texas school in 3 of the Power 5 Conferences.
Kansas is always going to be high caliber in basketball, but football has its ups and downs.
@@edwardnygma2702 If that’s the case and they want a Texas market Texas Tech is worth 5 times what Baylor is. Despite their recent success in football and basketball Baylor is, along with TCU ,the least valuable programs in the big 12
Is Riley going to announce that he’s going to be the coach at Hawaii?
Not enough $
The move of USC & UCLA is the beginning of the end of student athletes as amateurs. The kids are going to see this mercenary move, and say "Show me the Money."
Good for the kids. They should've been paid a long time ago.
@@88spaces You're darn right. The end of the Plantation System.
@@kimoandrews5802 Yes. If you contribute towards the profits you should get paid. Period.
@@kimoandrews5802 You should get a percentage of any profit you help generate. What's the point of your effort if you don't?
As a USC fan this move makes sense because since the inception of the college football playoffs and even before that during the BCS the PAC-12 teams always had to go undefeated just to sniff the national championship game. A one loss big 10 or SEC team still had a shot whereas USC had to go undefeated and even Oregon had to as well
Wrong. A one loss PAC12 powerhouse always had a chance to go to the playoffs. The last time the Ducks has a 10 one loss was in 2014 and Helfrich took then to the playoffs where they lost to Ohio State. Prior to that the last time the Ducks had a one loss team was in 2012 under Chip Kelly was in 2012. USC has not had an undefeated team or one loss team since 2004 under Pete Carroll. Two loss teams never make the playoff. And, the SEC plays 8 conference games and most of their teams schedule a auto-win for their midseason conference game. As an example, Alabama played New Mexico State for their tenth game of the season last year. So they had an 8 game conference season, a bye, and a late season game against NMS. In 2019 they played NMS early and Western Carolina late. If the commsioner of the PAC12 had any brains he would demand our season be changed to 8 conference games, like the SEC, so we don't cannibalize our own. All the teams would schedule a late season patsy like in the SEC. And we would not have night games, which are never watched in the mid-west or east and so our ratings are in the toilet. AND, we would never allow any of our teams a start time for an away game earlier than a time adjusted for noon PST time. No more noon EST games which is a 9:00 a.m. PST time which means the kids are up at 5:00 a.m. to get ready for a game. Being mach isn't cool, its stupid when it costs you wins. Its all just really stupid and self defeating. If we made the changes I speak about The PAC 12 would end up with four or five teams every season with one or two losses fighting it out at the end, and TV audiences would be huge - no one watches 2 loss teams out of playoff contention at the end of a season fighting for a second tier bowl game, which is exactly what the PAC12 has been the last so many years. We have just screwed ourselves in the PAC12 with schedule mismanagement and short term greed. Looking for a payday with night games has cost the conference huge over the long haul. Anyway, you get my drift.
Well that's because the PAC 10 has been a weak conference. They don't play anyone.
@@tomhorvath6137 you really had to write a whole novel huh weirdo. People didn’t respect the PAC-12 plain and simple
@@DAISYROSE22 everybody has bottom feeders. Every conference is top heavy at this point in time.
Looking forward to seeing USC play in Ann Arbor.
And seeing Penn St in the Rose Bowl against UCLA
Ohio St under the lights in the coliseum
Can’t wait!
And part of the agreement when the Pac-10 became the Pac-12 was that Cal and Stanford had to play USC and UCLA every year. That tradition will be dead now.
How about UCLA vs Arizona in basketball? As a UCLA fan thats what I will miss the most.
@@biozio186 this is all about football. I don't know why they just don't separate football from college athletics
@@freeisalwaysme cuz then it would be the usfl or xfl
@@freeisalwaysme still gonna miss the rivalry tho
@@biozio186 non conference games
What about Hawaii? It's 3100 miles from Honolulu to Albuquerque NM to play in conference.
The conferences are officially done. We can thank the southern pricks for starting this. So much for local pride. I can’t wait to root for….Hawaii vs Boston College in the ACC. I can’t believe this is happening. I know it’s all $ but traditions are being destroyed
s/southern pricks/ESPN/g and you got that right.
Some years ago Bob Ryan from the Boston Globe we’re going to end up with four conferences everyone will be in. I think he was right.
College Football Playoffs Relegation System. Tier 1-30 Teams who are eligible for the 12 Team CFP tournament. Only allowed to schedule other teams in tier 1. Bottom 5 teams get relegated to tier 2 every year. Tier 2-30 Teams who will play the traditional regional schedule and have the chance to earn spots into the CFP tier. Top 5 ranked bowl champs will replace the bottom 5 from tier 1. Tier 2 can play tier 2 and top half of tier 3. Bottom 4 teams are relegated to 8 team relegation playoffs. Tier 3-20 Teams who will play a traditional regional schedule similar to tier 2. Will play bowls and top 4 teams will play with tier 2 and 8 team playoffs.
Any time relegation is involved I can get behind it
As a 50 year fan of the big ten, imo these two schools are way too far away from our region. Travel expenses are going to be insane. There are more sports than just football.
And now ship Maryland and Rutgers to the PAC-12 in exchange. ;-)
Yes, I hate those two being in the Big Ten
🤣Hahaha😆
Nah, I think we'll stay
And, lose the lucrative east coast cable TV revenue? Rutgers, Maryland and their cable market (to carry the B1G Network) is the reason they were invited into the conference and, one of the reasons the conference can possibly land a 1.1 billion dollar TV rights deal. Fans always think football when these deals go down. It's not football, it's the dollars. Obviously, the conference is willing to suffer mediocre sports in exchange for a cool billion. And, that's before USC, UCLA and their cable market was a factor. With that the conference could be looking at a 1.5 billion dollar TV deal. Cha ching!
Does the super conference even need the NCAA ? No. This is the slow death of the NCAA
Schools need the NCAA for title 9
@@timnor4803 If there's enough NIL money, there's no need for scholarships anymore. If that happens, football and men's BB no longer need to be concerned about title 9. The NCAA would only be necessary for non-revenue sports. It would be a huge blow for women's college sports as well as the NCAA, which would have almost all its funding cut.
@@onehorsetoomany8006 I will say, assuming this is all about football, the NCAA won't lose much revenue. Almost the entirety of its current earnings actually come from the D1 Basketball tournament. I'm not sure they make anything important from football anymore, since they're not in charge of the FBS.
@@edwardcardona717 Exactly correct, and if there's any sport where NIL is bigger than football, it's men's basketball. If men's basketball goes full NIL, without scholarships, why do they need the NCAA?
I think a 16 team playoff is a wonderful idea. It makes teams like Alabama actually play competitive teams and win multiple games before any national championship bid.
Ohio state , Georgia and Clemson are not competitive teams?
Cope.....
How many years has Hawai'i had six hour flights to go to every away game? Aren't they playing at Michigan in week two this year?
I do some work for the Pac-12 and have been with them for 15 year. This is breaking my heart and I hope it does not happen. Tradition is dead if So Cal leaves the Pac-12, original members of the Pac-8.
The administrators pulling the strings don’t give a crap about tradition or legacy, they just want a new yacht man. I’m fine either way, I don’t really give a crap about some olds from the 60s and 70s. Give me NFL lite baby, that way we get to see the big boys clobber each other in the field more often.
Did your heart also break when the big 12 got picked apart or did you enjoy watching that conference get gutted?
USC better have to travel to Penn State, Michigan, and/or Ohio State in the winter.
If the full re-alignment comes down as everyone is expecting, and Big 10 goes to roughly 20 teams, wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Rutgers and Maryland get bumped out, so that there is room for Oregon/Wash/Stanford and maybe a Cincy to join up. Rest of PAC 12 merges with remainder of Big 12 to become a super Mid-Major.
That’s what I’m kind of thinking. They should join and become the ACC of the west, the PCC or WCC. That’ll leave 2 powerhouse conferences and 2 “could” be competitive conferences. Football wise.
They're not bumping out anyone. You can't just kick schools out of the conference. They wanted Rutgers and MD for thr NYC and DC markets.
@@FAITHandLOGIC if they could, I’d trade out for Rutgers and Maryland for Oregon and Washington. Oregon is ranked at estimated 26th most watched, Washington at 28th, while Maryland is 54th and Rutgers 75th. Regardless of what market they play in, Oregon and Washington pull in way more viewers. Money wise, it’s a no brainer.
They wont bump Rutgers, they want that NY media money
@@somedudenamedryan Great point, then you have the 3 largest media markets solely in your conference. Didn’t even think of that. Well played.
Revisiting this video after CU, WU, OU, ASU, and UofA all left to new conferences in the span of seven days. Saw it coming a mile away.
I believe that this tested out last year. when Oregon played OSU.
i also believe that Oregon will join the B1G if the usc and ucla join.
If the Big 10 can have 16 teams, then I think Oregon and Washington should join the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Both those schools will be in the big 10 soon enough. its not stopping at 16, not stopping at 17 when ND joins. its end up at 24-26 after 3-5 more years pass and TV deals expire. the SEC will end up getting teams like Texax Tech, Okie state, Baylor, ETC. there will be 2 mega conferences soon. 2 24-26 school conferences
Sucks for the Pac 12 but if the Big 10 can get some other schools like Oregon Washington Norte Dame that’s a dope league and is spread from coast to coast.
Duck fans are onboard and if we have to bring the much hated puppies of WaRshington with us we will.
@@RedFive03 i like the ducks, even though i am a Michigan fan. i have always liked Oregon. except for that loser Joey Harrington the lions got. but i can forgive lol
@@lennchadful ugh always felt so bad for Joey going to that horrendous team.
What was Texas and Oklahoma going to the SEC?
The problem is Michigan’s record against those 2 teams when we go out West.
0-2 Michigan
Michigan is 8-3 lifetime vs. UCLA,4-6 vs. USC.
@@danieldecker2526 and I bet those losses came at the Rose Bowl and Coliseum, respectively.
@@ronaldmccomb8301 Rose Bowls,but i think UCLA won in Ann Arbor in 1982.
But wait until they have to play Michigan in the big house in November
Just separate the football teams from the colleges. Make it into the NFL youth developmental league.
Maybe two conferences that aren’t really 12 anymore can hook up… Big 12 + PAC 12= ?
No one cares about UCLA football. USC & Oregon are the only teams that matter in the PAC-12. There’s no point in doing this without bringing Oregon along.
but sc and ucla tradition is big in ncaa so they had to go with them
Imagine these cali teams playing in freezing temperatures and snow in November and January in the Midwest.
Which is why I said no way in hell does Miami join the B1G, and all that travel to boot. We'll be SEC.
California kids already leave for the big 10 and sec. And they do just great. Shouldn’t be so different.
Thanks for discussing. It was a shock when I read the news, but it shouldn't have been. After doing some research, I learned a coast-to-coast super-league isn't such a new idea (see the ill-fated "Airplane Conference"). Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular (and sports fan)
PAC 12 RIP
Big television acts like this wasn't going to happen when those billion dollar contracts were being signed.
Well since Oak fans think Reilly was running from the SEC it only stands to reason now he's going to go the Big 12.
The big ten has 16 teams with the new additions hasn't been ten since the 90s but I guess you didn't know that
as an okla fan you guys are both drunk lol
@@yung1smitty I thought they actually had 14? And 2 affiliates. Anyways eventually it will look something like 4 main Conferences with about 18-20 maybe more teams in each. Twelve-Sixteen team playoffs. Should be interesting.
At this point anybodys guess is as good as any. But I think you missed my meaning. Oak fans thought Reilly was avoiding the SEC so he went to a lesser Conference the Pac 12. So with that reasoning now that there going to the Big 10 he will run to the lesser Conference the Big 12 or ACC.
I know. Dumb joke.
Oregon and ND to the Big 10 makes most sense, but Clemson and ND could work. ND in the west division with USC and UCLA would be great!
It would be logistically ideal to have Oregon, ND, Washington, and others join the Big Ten but the addition of each school would require contributing $100 million in TV revenue to justify it. Notre Dame would obviously cover it but Oregon and Washington it’s hard to say. Part of the problem (and reason UCLA/USC left the Pac-12) is the geographic isolation and low population of western states. If you take the population of states and neighboring states comprising each conference, the Pac-12 has by far the smallest population. It’s not that Portland and Seattle aren’t big markets but they are at least 600 miles from the next closest population centers. It’s a big part of the Pac-12’s decline in recent years. They just don’t get that much exposure.
Lost a lot of interest in CFB after the dismantling of the Big East and with The Pac-12 being my other favorite conference I'll say this just sucks.
How about Oregon and Norte Dame?
This is the first step toward Big Ten going to 20 teams. I could see them getting Oregon and Washington from Pac, and then maybe two teams from ACC (potentially Clemson and Miami). Will separate into West and East regions is my prediction.
Man I hope they get Notre Dame
@@kych2008 ND will NEVER switch from being independent for football
Clemson would fit better in the SEC though if such moves were to happen.. And if it did I definitely see both conferences going to 20 teams
I actually think the SEC gets Clemson and Florida State at some point. Big Ten has shown they’ll only go after AAU schools…if they stick with that. Good options though…Stanford, Washington, UNC, Pitt, Georgia Tech…
Big Ten seems to be in love with the North Carolina schools in the ACC.
We've already split division 1 between 1-A and 1-AA so what is this new thing above 1-A going to be called?
Can you imagine if USC and UCLA leave for the B1G? They'd have Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York as markets, plus as academic powerhouses, USC and UCLA would join academic powerhouses such as Northwestern, Wisconsin, and Michigan (notice no Ohio State mentioned). I'd feel bad for the Pac-12 because, u like the SEC, they have integrity, but as a Big Ten man, I'd be thrilled.
As an SEC man, an Aggie myself, my only worry is conferences like the B1G 10 or SEC taking in more teams and watering down the conferences. I like Texas and OU joining the SEC, and SC and UCLA joining the B1G. Those programs, aside from OU, might not have been very competitive here lately, but they bring rich winning historic legacies that will always rebuild and become powerhouses again at some point.
They’ll have DC too through Maryland lol
You Must Be Joking!! Other than Michigan, which BTW look it up USC & UCLA Are Far Better Schools Academically. Get your facts straight.
@@antoniosaxon8605 Not joking at all. USC and UCA are close to Michigan, but not quite. You're thinking of Cal and Stanford as being academically superior.
@@Tom-kq3ng and Philadelphia via Penn State. Now if they cam get Cal and Stanford, they'd add San Francisco and have all of the seven most powerful urban areas in the US.
what are they gonna do with back to back east coast games? are they gonna miss a week of class?
I am sure the Big 10/16 will be going to a division less conference with the 1+3 model (similar to pods). Similar to the ACC's new model.
Wow thank you for actually knowing anything about the big ten these jokers think it's a ten team conference
So is it back to Pac 10 now?
Pac-12 schools get screwed in terms of revenue and scheduling compared to the other conferences. This is a good move for ucla and usc
Anyone remember that alliance spear headed by the Big 10 after UT and OU announced their departure to the SEC? Well perhaps it wasn't really an alliance, perhaps it was a fishing expedition by the Big 10 to hunt for new members to join the conference.
Michigan/USC is going to be a huge game every year.
thuggball
*What about Jackson State?*
This isn't about student athletes and it sure isn't about fans.
Now THIS is why I can't help but like Rich Eisen -- he sees the entire construct from the perspective of the players, which is how it should be and should have been from that first game between Rutgers and Princeton. Well said Mr. Eisen.
Cant wait to see USC at Happy Valley in the snow in November. California kids gonna be thinking, "WTF did we agree to?"
They've been playing in Utah Colorado and Washington....
Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Utah, WSU, Oregon State all places that have snowy weather! Try again!
Pac-12 North all have snowy locations try again
@@wejuggernautentertainmentl3156 can’t help those who don’t know regional weather
NFC West was LA Rams ,SF 49ers, Alt. Falcons, NO Saints for a long time, how did that make sense?
Sec gets Clemson, FSU, Miami, and north Carolina
Best thing to do is to establish a system right away. Just go to a 2 conference system, Big10 and SEC both get approx 30 teams, place them in divisions that r close in proximity so teams aren’t traveling a bunch. Unfortunately, we all know none of this will happen and we’re gonna through a 20 years process of teams slowly being picked off from conferences. This will cause teams like USC to have to travel out East 3-4 times a year. They shouldn’t have moved unless they knew Oregon, Wash, Utah and 1 other were coming. Although these administrators talk, maybe they do know it’s coming
This helps UCLA & USC academically too, in terms of reputation & research funding. Those two schools, along with Stanford, Cal & Washington, are more comparable to B1G schools in that way.
Really? UCLA needs no such enhancements. It already is one of THE most academically endowed Uni's in the world and has always been top 3 in research in the country.
@@richardthelionheart5594 currently they get roughly 30 million for their TV deal. if they jump to the big 10, that would triple. and now that the big 10s TV deal is expiring, they will push that they have games in every time zone, games in the top 5 markets in the country. each big 10 team will get 120 million a year. and UCLA is 65 million in athletic debt. they would be out of that in 1 year when they join a real conference
@@lennchadful your numbers are slightly off Altho I agree in principle. Best news is this windfall would free up deep pocket boosters to invest in NIL deals.
Yes, UCLA is a better fit with B1G than PAC12 because they are a research powerhouse. Other B1G schools have historically benefited from their collective research strength, and UCLA will augment that. In return, UCLA will do a bit better too.
@@jimasplund5257 Every school claims many Nobel laureates but I think UCLA stands alone in having SEVEN Nobel laureates who got their bachelors degree at UCLA.
Perhaps it will eventually be two college conferences, with College Super Bowl. The halftime show will be marching bands circling around Doja Cat.
Rich takes are always so mediocre. First off, Penn State does always play Michigan State as their last game, OSU, and Michigan. OSU always plays PSU, UM, and MSU. Yea the divisions aren’t totally even but he made it seem like Michigan gets a tougher schedule than OSU and PSU, which isn’t true. Also, he acts like you can walk from Norman to Gainesville, or from Austin to Lexington. That’s traveling too
At times like this...................There is NOBODY better than Rich Eisen !!!!
How about a super academic athletic conference with Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Michigan, Notre Dame, UC Berkeley [Cal], UCLA, Washington? Where student athletes would actually be students.
Why would Washington be in that league?
@@johnnyd3155 Times World Rankings 2022: Stanford [4], UC Berkeley [8], UCLA [20], Duke [23], Northwestern [24], Michigan [24], University of Washington [29], Vanderbilt [113], Notre Dame [183].
@@jeremiahpattillo2932 OK, good for Washington.
I’d watch it!
I'd do one with basketball prestige instead, forming a league with DUKE, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, Baylor, Villanova, Syracuse, etc. and if Oregon doesn't get picked up by a major conference, then they get an invite as well, this angle is better for viewership
If they unionize, who do they negotiate with? Schools aren't paying them directly, NIL are endorsement deals, not salaries like the NFL. Different system.
13:16 And lose to them all!
I wonder if Texas A&M leaked this, 😆
The Big Ten is the PREMIERE College Football league in the nation. No other conference is coast to coast and no other conference has schools in LA, Chicago, and New York City.
2 super conferences that are separated by North and South
That's the way as the Sun Belt is growing and the established teams of the MidWest and East can matchup.
I think Nike and Phil Knight giving Oregon 1 billion dollars had a lot to do with it. USC and UCLA saw they would have a hard time keeping up with Oregon's NIL cash, and that is why the Big 10 doesn't seem to be interested in Oregon because of the financial crunch that would result. I know the Big 10 and USC / UCLA had alums with deep pockets, but I haven't heard of any of them giving that much cash.
Its because of the tv contract the pac 12 has. That is the reason. UCLA and usc can make more money elsewhere. Their contract is up in 2024
In 2020 Big Ten payout was $54million, SEC $45million, PAC-12 $33 million. This is why USC and UCLA want to join the Big Ten. An extra $20+million a year. If anything USC and UCLA will probably enhance that. Can you imagine the draw of USC - Ohio St, USC - Michigan, USC - Penn St, USC - Nebraska. It will make the Big Ten comparable to the ACC in basketball as well. Academically the Big Ten will be 2nd to only the Ivey league. Right now the Pac 12 is second academically.
This is inevitable:
Big 10 East
OSU, Mich, MSU, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers
Big 10 North
Wisc, Minn, NW, Illinois, Purdue, IU
Big 10 Central
Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Kansas
Big 10 West
Wash, Oregon, Cal, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Colorado & Kansas????
@@povertyspec9651 They're AAU schools. Colorado is a growing market. Kansas has a great basketball program, although I admit that's probably the weakest school of the 24. Could also go get a school like Notre Dame. But I think 24 schools will be the magic number, and the new additions are going to be mostly the cream of the crop of the Pac 12 (sorry Oregon St., Arizona St., and Washington St.)
Add notre dame to the north
@@basketballaddict2885 Agreed. If Notre Dame came instead, I'd drop Kansas, put ND in the north, and kick IL to the central.
@@jeffpapiernik9239 keep Notre Dame and Kansas (for basketball purposes), boot Arizona
This will make for better football week in and week out.