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I cried the most when my horse died. When Arthur went back and said "thank you" as our horse passed away nearly killed me. I had the same horse for the whole game. How did I cry over a virtual horse? This game is something else man.
Same. I took care of my horse, feeding her every after a long ride, brushing her every time she gets the slightest of dirt on her. I even verbally apologize whenever I'm not paying attention to the road and accidentally ram her into one of the trees... When Arthur took his time thanking her despite the wild gunfight behind his back, it really broke me into tears. R.I.P Shadowfax (My Horse)
My great, great, great, grandfather died in 1899 at the age of 59. He wrote in journals every day since he was 19 up until a month before his death. I've been reading the journals lately, has newspaper clippings and other stuff in it. Pretty cool stuff. His relatives came from Germany in 1730's and set up shop in southeast PA.
That’s so cool! It must feel like a real trip back in time reading through it all. It almost feels like your GG Grandfather had a lot of foresight into the future, knowing that relatives of the future would likely want to know what his time was like.
I know I'm late, but I realized something. The first time Jack meets Agent Ross, Jack was fishing with Arthur. The end of RDR 1, Jack meets Ross for the last time, after Ross was done fishing. Neat little detail Edit: Hunting instead of fishing, still by the river
@@taylorkeller363 if you like MGS, please watch “Some Ordinary Gamers”s video on Metal gear solid 4, titled “MGS IV is a pretty good game” and is 4 hours long
Actually when Dutch says “same as you I suppose,” I believed his intention was to kill Micah as well but to pick his moment instead of go in guns blazing like we did.
The way they slowly planned the amazing ending throughout both games is just amazing with things like killing Sean and Lenny who would’ve joined Arthur’s side and hosea could’ve stopped Dutch from going mad
It took me a while to realize that by the time Arthur and John left, everyone that would’ve joined them was either dead or had left before them. Hosea, Sean, Lenny, and Keiran would have joined them if they hadn’t died, and Pearson, Trelawney, Reverend Swanson, and Karen would have joined them if they hadn’t left. It’s great writing and forethought like this that makes this game so special.
@@adambess4909 not really Sean looked up to Arthur plus he hated Micah and would've believed that Micah was the rat and would've Join Arthur, I mean even Dutch said Sean was younger Arthur
@@Ssm12212 not in the slightest my dude. Hosea definitely knew from right and straight up madness. He was the Uncle Iron of the gang. He would joined Arthur knowing how far Dutch has fallen.
Yeah there even is an interaction with him before you get debt from him. And Thomas Downes was trying to get money for homeless and sick children. Just like arthur helped everyone with TB
@@cokelover45 ya man I know those were painful to but I kinda knew they were gonna die just based on how close they were to everyone Lenny didn’t need to die
@@cokelover45 ehhhh grimshaw I didn’t really care about much. Hosea, Lenny and Sean’s, deaths were all very painful because it came from betrayal and dutches mistakes. Grimshaw was just shot by Micah randomly and felt like a really unnecessary death in terms of impact and meaning.
I don't know which I want most for the next game: 1) The events after RDR 1 exploring what happened to Jack 2) Another prequel going even further back in time to before the Blackwater heist 3) A sequel about Sadie and her adventures in South America
I want another prequel, because there's nowhere to go beyond where rdr1 left Jack. And I feel that Sadie's adventures would be better as a spin-off series.
@@syllvanis_ Well it could go either way 1-events after rdr1 In fact I have high hopes to see the story of jack and the new world and there is small chance that he could meet Issac (Arthur son) assuming he is alive since Arthur said that he saw 2 crosses. maybe he couldn’t recognise their faces now that would be sick the only con is that they cant go after that timeline 2-prequel could work dutch hosea has great backstory so anyway we have to wait for the next game :D
@@theunknownuser9609you're right. My mans Dutch lost everything. The way after he helped John kill Micah & walked past John looking like "You happy now?" was actually quite chilling.
It’s crazy how well they merged and went back to rdr1 to make sure the story lines fit perfectly it’s amazing the amount of small details you find when replaying and noticing how rockstar was able to near perfectly make the games run right along side eachother
@@DodgeThatAttack Exactly 😅 I heard rumours that they were gonna make another game and say Arthur didn't die. Even though we watched him die on the mountain or getting stabbed by Micah etc. I would straight up refuse to buy the game if R* tried to milk their audience like that, fucking Marvel Multiverse style, they can sack ma deek. Only thing I kinda wanted or could ask for was how we got from John Buying the farm and getting married to the part in Red Dead 1 when they get off the train, I don't understand 😅
@@jawdonxtrahero6673 john lived a peaveful life for a couple years, got caught by the pinkertons, moved to some jail and then brought to blackwater for him to kill dutch javier and bill
@@ninodrhr well it was either that or dutch, arthur, and lenny would’ve died. self defense vs just strangling a woman he could’ve easily just knocked out or disarmed. big difference.
@@ssjkara224 While there's a difference, it really isn't that big. By the same logic it is self defense to kill the woman once you've assaulted her because she seemed the type to stab if you stopped halfway. By robbing places and shooting the guards/police, the gang are not killing in self defense, they are entirely on the offensive and bring the danger upon themselves, that is not self defense, that is just murder. It's like breaking into someones room in the middle of the night and then claiming self defense asyou kill them after the person tries to attack you.
I played Read Dead 2 and immediately after played red dead 1 again, after watching John die I straight away played the Stranger mission of Jack's revenge the credits brought me to tiers, I was so sad to see the saga end, the storyline is phenomenal, unforgetable experience, like reading a book through a game 👌
There's a second ending where John doesn't die instead of walking out the front run through the back where abigail and Jack Ride off it comes up with a cut scene where John runs off and the army just give up
there was this extremely heart-wrenching moment when they manage to get jack back from angelo bronte. john talks to his son while they were riding back to camp and asks whether he was mistreated etc. he realizes that bronte provided more for jack than he ever could, just in that short time.
The increasing pain in John's voice, as Jack is telling him about all the wonderful things he saw and ate, really got to me. This was definitely the moment John realized he needs to get his act together and become the kind of man his son can look up to.
@@NEWFIExGAMING yeah but even in the epilogue it doesn't matter though. he doesn't really try to relate to Jack or his imagination/love of books and reading and stuff sooooo i mean eh. lol. i just don't really care for John, but that's just my personal opinion.
Honestly I think he's not a villain. The Villain to me is and will always be Micah, who poisoned Dutch's mind since the beginning of the game. Dutch is just a poor soul that was lost in his own ego.
@@Sasasala386 I agree. Not so much a villain, but an anti-hero I suppose. He had the same hopes and dreams that rest of the gang had. But had such an ego and quite the narcissist. Was easily poisoned by Micah.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 Almost everyone in the group has killed someone who didn't deserve it so this is a dumb point. None of these people are "good" in the traditional sense, just individuals surviving a harsh world against the bad and the downright ugly. To discredit Dutch as a villain because of killing that girl or his betrayal in the end shows you really didn't pay attention to the story.
I'm glad that Charles got out of the life, because imagine if John had to hunt him down along with Bill and Javier. I understand that Charles wasn't thought of at the time, but for a moment, imagine how sad it would be to have to kill Charles for the government to save John's family...
see thats the part i never got about John, he had teh finances he could have left just like Charles...i don't get why him and his family stayed. i don't get me wrong but you do bad things in an area , and think life will just go on ? people forget, Most don't forgive Mexico or Canada were his only options . Mexico would be best .. he could hang with the mans Landon Ricketts. but the story had to end bad i guess.
I'm glad Charles got out so that didn't have to happen. Saddest thing for me is when they credits rolled and Sadie n Charles left the ranch n the others. Chances are they never seen each other again. But it's better that way, because they lived
To this day, I cry when Arthur hands his hat to John, then at the death of Arthur’s horse, then Arthur himself. Can’t help it now and I hope never will. RDR2 is the best game I ever played, and this video the best rendition of the storyline. Bravo.
What destroyed the Dutch Van der Linde gang? Dutch’s ego. He demanded blind loyalty and did not tolerate anyone questioning his leadership or decisions. That’s why he attached more to Micah in the end. Micah shamelessly submitted himself to Dutch’s ego.
I remember Arthurs death on my first play through. When he took his hat and put it on one last time. When he rode through the forest with the music and the sunset. The singer saying the words “That’s the way it is”. At this point, I started to weep Uncontrollably. Not crying out of sadness, but because I know that in a few short moments, the man I got to learn, discover, and connected to, would be gone! I thought about all the decisions I made, I thought of the life that He had, everything would be gone. I thought about how Arthur leaving the only family he had ever known. The way that he faced his death like a man. After his death, I locked myself in my room and was lost in my mind for quite a long time.
So far I've finished it twice and both times I have *CRIED* and I mean *CRIED* the second time though the tears were a little more controllable but the anger was not so controllable. I dont think I have flipped off a video game character (micah by the way) as much as I did this time.
Something I noticed, on Guarma Arthur is with the 4 main antagonists John has to fight. Micah in the final mission Javier, Bill, and Dutch in the first RDR.
Another smaller detail is during the big bank heist: When Lenny is shot, all 4 antagonists of the RDR games run past Lenny's body (Micah, Bill, Javier, & Dutch) while Arthur tends to Lenny and Charles stops to pay his respect.
@@the_competent_gamer9454 That’s a bit unfair, as Javier and Dutch did turn around and stop for a second in shock. Bill and Micah ran right past, though.
@@auroraflos2498 I think I saw that as order of caring for each character, Arthur liking him the most stops, Charles also. Then Dutch and Javier 2 people with clear care but not as much. The final 2 as the least caring. Like Javier didn't want to kill John, Dutch was trying to protect himself and Micha and Bill the least caring both threatening and trying to kill John.
The events that took place might still happen but with Arthur. Arthur and the marstons would go to the ucon and come back in 1907, went to prohnhorn ranch, and set up at beaches hope and killed Micah . But in 1907 Arthur would be 44 years old and back then that was very old so he might be dead by 1911
No it's kinda shit I have 10 playthroughs on the game it's good if you are playing for the 1st time but then you see all the lazy programming and scripted stuff and it becomes repetitive
There is actually closure in this story line there is an Easter egg and grand theft auto 5 where you find a book written by Jack Marston where he talks about stories of the wild West which is everything that has gone on in both red dead redemption games. He became an author after killing Ross.
Assuming any of its true. Could just be a dime novel story afterall. There is a lot of mysticism in the redemptions. Then again, GTA has it's fair share of strangeness.
He wasn’t looking at the shooter before he shot Sean he looked up right after he was shot. Micah’s a sharp shooter you’d think he knows where the shot of a gun is fired
In the end of it all, Jack is the man Arthur truly saved. Of course that is only because he saved John and Abigail who had at least a few good years together before RDR1. Jack is the one who escaped this life. Sure, he killed John's killer, but, from what we've seen in Easter eggs and such, Jack moves on and becomes a writer. He finally leaves the west and escaped the life that his father was doomed to.
@@spookubus Considering that he canonically survives until the 1990’s where he dies of old age, I’d say that he doesn’t go on the run cuz he didn’t exactly have a gang to defend him like Dutch did. Him being drafted is likely though.
At the end of John Marston in RDR1, I was absolutely floored that they killed the best character in all of video games. Fortunately, Jack's ending was so satisfying that it felt like there was no other way it should have happened. I thought for sure that no other character could ever make me feel like I did at the end of that game. I was super hyped for RDR2; I bought a PS4 Pro and a new 65" TV just so I could experience it in the best way I could. But who was this Arthur guy? I'd much rather be playing as John... Needless to say, I cried when Arthur died. Kudos to Rockstar for doing the impossible and make me love another character more than John Marston. If they release another RDR, and they do it again, I swear its going to be like an actual family member dying. Of course, if they don't right their ship, that isn't going to happen.
Yeah, I probably think Red Dead 2 is my favourite game of all time at this point. I finished the Story yesterday and the epilogue in the morning and good grief the way they made you care for Arthur and the way he tries to change for the better before he passes, I just felt it 😪 his relationships with the characters and how he tried to help Dutch see what was right and knowing no matter what honor you had, you couldn't keep him alive just broke me. Even Charlotte, I felt so bad for her til i found out she was aware he didnt have long 😕 and Riding that horse back to the sound of 'Unshaken' was just the epitome of self reflection. The game's Immaculate and I will probably play it again very soon without a doubt
spoiler: Jack Marston gets drafted into the first world war and dies unceremoniously of machine gun fire while going over the top. twist is after he dies you play as Jacks son "Jake Marston" and you get revenge by killing Hitler.
One thing I must point out. Dutch wasn’t partnered with Micah in the epilogue and he wasn’t there for the money. I think this can be proven by one single line of dialogue. Its the line that Dutch says to John. “ Same as you….I suppose “. John, Sadie, and Charles went up that mountain to kill Micah, to put an end to all this, and most of all, to get revenge for their beloved friend and brother Arthur. In their minds, Micah prob killed Arthur because all they saw was Micah survive and Arthur didn’t. So they most definitely presumed that by killing Micah, it would serve some sense of revenge. They never went up there for the money, that was never the intent. By Dutch saying “ same as you….I suppose “. I think that at the moment of Arthur’s death, he didn’t just turn his back on his mistakes, or the gang, or Arthur. He also turned his back on Micah and all the money as well. At that point, he had a moment of clarity which can be seen when Arthur said “ I gave you all I had….i did “ and all he could mutter in response was “ I- “. In that moment, looking down at his protege, his son, dying by his feet, he realized. He realized he was wrong, Arthur never betrayed him and only cared about his best interest, and he realized that Micah was behind all of this. My guess is that some time after Arthur’s death, Dutch went on to live a life of solitude until hearing of Micah’s whereabouts just like Sadie. To which he ventured up the mountain to kill him. Maybe in his mind, killing Micah would give some type of penance or he would be forgiven, maybe it would give him peace. Of course, at the sight of Dutch, Micah is most pleased. I can assume so because he wanted him to join him so badly when they fled and was angry when he turned his back. This is what ultimately allowed Dutch to deceive Micah and in his words “ play him like a fiddle “, which can be seen after he shoots him and he responds with “ your shoot me- “. But at this moment in his life, seeing John and Sadie, and realizing he really did fail them, Dutch proceeds down the mountain without the money. He leaves, now realizing that the death of Micah served him nothing, and he will forever be tormented by the mistakes of his past. Which is what ultimately causes him to be so mentally unhinged in the first game. In the end, he kills himself, with John by his side once more. Any dream of living someplace else is now gone. The west might be forgotten, but Dutch never was, and neither was his demons. In the end, his only hope of getting away was to just give it all up, which is exactly what he did. Dutch is a special case in media because even though he messed up so many times, I can never see him as a run true villain. In my eyes, he will always be just a broken man, a man running from his pain. A man who couldn’t deal with the deaths of his closest comrades, the people he considered family. And a man who became a slave to the very thing he was trying to run from all those years before.
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I love the absolute heartbreak in arthurs voice when he says "you ran away" Currently replaying RDR2 and the conversation he has with Arthur in the camp actually says alot about his character. He even goes as far to say that Arthur will betray him because he's the type too. Ironic as hell
@bastiat I never stated he was evil...I stated he was manipulative, which he was. Dutch is a very complex character, as they all are. You can see in RDR2 how he struggles within himself over what he once stood for and what he is becoming. That doesn't change that he was manipulative with his words and often utilized others to push his own self-interest. I'm sure he cared for many in the camp, but towards the end he began putting himself over everyone else and Micah was there to fan the flame after Hosea passed away.
Wow. Just WOW. What a cinematic summary, what a plot, without releasing too much of the conversations and scenes, what a narrator's voice. Congrats for the beautiful work mate, brilliant planing and editing.
Agent Milton was always a man that believed in making things right, and Micha was always a problem, and Bill was always a punk, but Dutch was supposed to be a good guy, and all about the family. I was so disappointed in Dutch. It’s sad when you find out that Molly never said a word.
This is a really good summation of the full story but I’m surprised in these kinds of videos, no one ever points out the moment after the trolley station heist, when Dutch receives a head injury when the trolley crashes. Until that point he would treat doubts with a level of hope and optimism, but after was much more irritable, and quick to anger. Immediately following it, during their escape I’m pretty sure it’s the first time Dutch reacts with anger and actively has a go at Arthur for having even the gall to criticise him. Supposedly something similar happened to Henry VIII after a jousting accident, and the head injury may have caused some brain damage which helped facilitate his descent into tyranny. The amount of focus given to it at the time in the game always led me to believe that this was major factor in Dutch’s descent too.
By that point in the game everything is going downhill . Thats what made him start being irrational, not really a head injury lol . He wouldbe neber stood up at that moment if he sustained a TBI that caused that type thing . He began thinking crazy cuz HIS DECISIONS WERE ALL WRONG and leading to their downfall
I think it’s cause people aren’t dumb enough to think getting hit in the head changes how he thinks lol the injury had nothing to do with his unraveling
@@Uno-vj2os except it has been proven that brain injury survivors may have difficulties managing their anger, which can result in irritability or aggressive behaviour. This can include shouting, swearing, using threatening language or being physically aggressive or violent.. but look at you calling people dumb
in my opinion Arthur is the among the best characters that rockstar has ever made, a caring person who battles his inner demons so other people can prosper. without a doubt my favourite moment is when he sacrifises himself so that john can escape with his family
When he says "I gave you all I had" as one of his words, my heart hurts every time. He really gave everything he could to Dutch and his plans/ideology (his morals, his chance with Mary Linton, his health, his life eventually)
it's really a shame how john said "I turned my back on them after they turned their back on me" when there is no mention of Arthur, who, as his last chance at happiness, saved john and his family from those who were after them.
In general though, it was true. You really wouldn't mention that little bit of help from Arthur at the end every time you tell people the basic story. He's dead now. And really the story is true, he felt like he didn't have a home there anymore, Dutch went crazy, so he turned his back on it all. It's excusable. But I always had resistance to Arthur from having played John first.
@@GlennDavey it sucks that dutch's mental decline was caused, in theory, by the trolley accident with lenny and Arthur. Also Hosea was holding Dutch together, he made him see what he was doing wrong. After he died, it just got worse and worse. He leaned more towards Micah because he was submissive to everything Dutch thought. Dutch just through those 20 years of loyalty away because of the ignorance of one six-month-long gang member
Well the actual reason is because he didn't exist yet the canonical reason is most likely because he went for the money instead of helping John because why else would no one even utter a word about Arthur if he hadn't has betrayed everyone I mean there's probably a reason high honor isn't the only ending
@@egg-cf8bt No, the canonical reason is that there's no reason to mention Arthur in RDR1. In the Epilogue of RDR2 John tells Mary Beth that he thinks about Arthur often, but he doesn't like to speak about him because it's painful. 12 years have passed since Arthur's death, John is more focused on the basics of the situation which is: The gang did leave him. They did leave him to die on the train heist and he has to hunt them down.
@@bakeyboi3958 The trolley accident theory holds no weight. Dutch was always a bad person, as made evident by him ruthlessly killing Heidi McCourt in the Blackwater heist long before the trolley crash, and his insanity was worsened by the strenuous situation of the gang falling apart, people around him dying, and the law constantly closing in on him. He got desperate and greedy and Micah was one of the only ones that stayed with him. That's why he favored Micah in the end, because Arthur was questioning his authority and Micah wasn't.
Can’t take place after with Jack bc civilization has already been developed. Practically no Wild West exists anymore so wouldn’t be much of a cowboy game lol would love to play young Arthur so we can see how this gang formed under Dutch
I’d like to see: Charles story after Beecher hope The early frontier years of Rains Fall, Landon Ricketts, young Hosea and Uncles. Maybe bring Red Harlow into the picture. Or maybe bring in Jack for a final ride with some of the old fans members and their families. They try to find the Black water stash.
The Golden Age of the Wild West starring a new gang with cameos from a younger Hosea, Dutch and Arthur set during the 1870s Jack Marston during the prohibition/depression with the new generation of outlaws like Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger and how he helps robs banks and trains and gets involved with the new mafia (Al Capone) in the big city. That way if you play these games chronologically you go from the 1870s - 1930s and see the changes in city and technology and way of life and see the similarities between the outlaws of the Wild West and the outlaws of the depression/prohibition. DLC can be Bounty Hunting as Sadie Adler, Javier in Mexico, Rise of Bill Williamson’s Gang and Charles Move to Canada
Charles one could be a Red Dead game but not a RDR game. The second one i’d like that. And the last one if they dont find it that would work because in Epilogue 2 they have the money so they can find it
Hosea was like the frontal lobe of the brain that forces you to use common-sense & Dutch was the passion and the ideas of the brain. Arthur was the backbone & John was the heart. And then Sadie & Charles became the two lungs of the gang who were versatile and breathed life into the game & tried to breathe life into Arthur when things became dark.
In RDR2 agent Ross says "Enjoy the fishing, while you still can to Jack" He will be the one killing agent Ross while he is fishing, it's so crazy to think about.
I left my first playthrough so unfinished. I didn't know I was playing Arthur's last mission where he would die. I left all the strangers, and all the hobbies things because I didn't ask my friend (because he spoils too much) I regret leaving so empty. I cried when my Arabian horse Aphrodite died -Had literally just got bonding 4 on her, loved her to pieces) and when Arthur died (I had high honor and chose to help john instead of get the money) Also unshaken (a song that plays when Arthur dies and another time) is so beautiful and I can't stop playing it
I like how Dutch was a great leader and a good person and a good character in the beginning, but when people started to die more and more, he got more and more crazy and slowly became a villain, bad guys became less important and when they were almost not important at all anymore, they died like a side characters because they were not important no more in the story (Colm O'Driscoll and Leviticus Cornwall) (is this what Rockstar wanted or am i just overanalyzing this)
Dutch van der Linde was a violent, selfish manipulator. It is revealed almost immediately, but the player (like Arthur) chooses to ignore the red flags out of loyalty and camaraderie. Dutch knows he can keep honest people in line this way so he can continue to be dishonest. The reason the other "villains" or more accurately antagonists die so cheaply and with so little fanfare is because they are no longer opposing forces. They're victims of Dutch.
@@qwopiretyuCould have not said that any better! Some individuals don’t understand the mind of Dutch. It’s pretty obvious, around chapter 2-3 I could see right through him.
It’s a little confusing how Arthur could’ve contracted and started dying of tuberculosis so fast, it takes years to show symptoms in reality. I don’t think he actually got it from Thomas Downes.
It just made for a better story that the TB was essentially a punishment for his bad deeds as a “bad man”. And instead of a quick and sudden death like many outlaws like sean or lenny, he had to sit with the fact he was going to die and contemplate what his life was going to leave behind and how he wanted his life to affect those around him.
Man I miss the first red dead soundtrack. It was like a spaghetti western of Drum n bass & badass ennio morricone & “modern 50s-60s” surfy guitar. Absolutely badass.
@@GlennDavey heck yeah. You can imagine how excited and happy I was when you first play as Marston on the burning farm and his theme plays as he becomes an “outlaw” again
When? I just played the mission again bc of this comment. Do you mean right after dutch says "Micah"? Cus I think thats just Dutch breathing the cold air
Took me so long to give red dead redemption a chance, saw it on sale on steam and thought i would give it a shot. I absolutely fell in love with the game and the story touched my heart making me what to buy Red Dead Redemption 1
@@tonytwodat6986 they barely sound any different tbh, RDR1 Javier voice just has more of a Mexican accent which makes sense because he didn’t have to speak English for about 12 years
I already understood the red redemption story line, but just to have the full story be broken down , it was worth my time I felt like I was watching a documentary Red dead redemption was a really good game , but the second one really took it home ❤
Yeah it really kinda seems they are working up to that. Would be neat might end up being more of a roaring 20's gangster game. That would be pretty fricking cool....
@@foryourlugsonly Also would be tough to make a game like that without just being like a Mafia game, but i think they could do it. GTA 6 from what i am hearing is going to have a male and female protagonist. Very similar to a Bonnie and Clyde type. (Surely just a vague coincidence) but would be neat if they were working on something like that with Jack. It would make for a good closer to a proper trilogy. The downfall of the wild-west, and how it effects the characters involved. The first two games are the dying breaths of that era The final game would be those first few steps in the new America. Would be cool if they used the same map as RDR2 just evolved over time ( like it already does in the game but more drastically)
If RDR3 was focused on Jack I don't think it would be a Wild West style anymore because society evolved since the events of RDR1 it'll be just like L.A Noir In my opinion RDR3 would be great if they went even back to the time the gang was starting to form and have Dutch as our protagonist and this time protecting little Arthur
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Lol I’m on my 3rd play through, i know the story well. I have watched countless videos about RDR2 as well.. and I’m still watching this. This story is just so damn good
Dutch is, in a weird way the most relatable character I've ever come across in video games. I mean by his morally ever changing philosophies and bland excuses to hide what he truly wants, not the other way around ☠☠☠
Arthur gives john his hat before his death and I think it would be a good touch if Arthurs hat was Johns hat from the start. Arthur would have the hat that john wears in rdr1 from the start of the game. It would be a sign of friendship and remembrance of Arthur. It would also serve as a from of foreshadowing from the start of the game.
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I know a lot about the series, but I always watch these vids recapping it because Red Dead truly feels like an American documentary; it is just phenomenal. As well having asthma, hearing Author struggle to breath was traumatizing.
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This is the only video game I've seen in almost 60 years that put a tear in my eye. Absolutely stunning
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I cried the most when my horse died. When Arthur went back and said "thank you" as our horse passed away nearly killed me. I had the same horse for the whole game. How did I cry over a virtual horse? This game is something else man.
Same. I took care of my horse, feeding her every after a long ride, brushing her every time she gets the slightest of dirt on her. I even verbally apologize whenever I'm not paying attention to the road and accidentally ram her into one of the trees... When Arthur took his time thanking her despite the wild gunfight behind his back, it really broke me into tears. R.I.P Shadowfax (My Horse)
Trust me, my girl isn't a virtual horse :(
She's my most loyal friend in rdr2
I was so taken aback by the veterans story. I used Buell all through chapter 6 and it broke me that it died.
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The fear and sadness in Arthur’s voice as he yells, “Dutch!” In the last mission was heartbreaking.
Oh Dutch… he’s a rat
I Hate Dutch and micah For what They did to the gang And Arthur
You let him damn us all…
@@jalenikezeue4114I wanted to go get Arthur’s get back immediately 😂😂
The pain
My great, great, great, grandfather died in 1899 at the age of 59. He wrote in journals every day since he was 19 up until a month before his death. I've been reading the journals lately, has newspaper clippings and other stuff in it. Pretty cool stuff. His relatives came from Germany in 1730's and set up shop in southeast PA.
Neat
@@MASTEROFEVIL niiiicee
have you considered looking to get it published or something? seems like a interesting prospective.
That’s so cool! It must feel like a real trip back in time reading through it all. It almost feels like your GG Grandfather had a lot of foresight into the future, knowing that relatives of the future would likely want to know what his time was like.
@@hewhotellsastory I've seen that movie like 20 times, I love it. Man with a harmonica :) I very much enjoy ennio morricone
I know I'm late, but I realized something. The first time Jack meets Agent Ross, Jack was fishing with Arthur. The end of RDR 1, Jack meets Ross for the last time, after Ross was done fishing. Neat little detail
Edit: Hunting instead of fishing, still by the river
That’s fantastic, totally didn’t notice either
Ross was hunting for a ducks, the only detail is they met near river in both situations (first/last)
He wasn't fishing, he was hunting ducks.
@@johnnybravo5969 Yeah I misremembered, it was about a year when I wrote that
It wasn't even a river! It was Lake Don Julio
3 things to appreciate about this video:
1. Great detail of the story of both games
2. The fantastic editing
3. This is pretty much a FREE documentary
Agree it’s great and very well made
4: They spelt Micah wrong because he doesn't deserve his name to be written properly.
50:42 is an example of fantastic editing.
@@thedudewiththeface god damn you
@@senz8152 thank you
I love that the lore isn't spoon fed to you by a codex, and you can never tell who is lying to you.
Try dark souls
Liquid Snake: " Am I a joke to you?"
@@taylorkeller363 can you shut up?
@@taylorkeller363 if you like MGS, please watch “Some Ordinary Gamers”s video on Metal gear solid 4, titled “MGS IV is a pretty good game” and is 4 hours long
I’m slightly intimidated by the Joey profile pic
Honestly I'm ready for this to be made into a movie but will never be able to capture the same depth these two games did. A great story
books would make more sense
Tv show
I think a show would be better
Yeah but if we look back in the past and some as of recently, movies based off of video games are horrible and it's the same vice versa
@@someretardontheinternet which is why tv show or book would make more sense
Actually when Dutch says “same as you I suppose,” I believed his intention was to kill Micah as well but to pick his moment instead of go in guns blazing like we did.
That's how I took it also.
The way they slowly planned the amazing ending throughout both games is just amazing with things like killing Sean and Lenny who would’ve joined Arthur’s side and hosea could’ve stopped Dutch from going mad
I resent laying $60 for a game but I can see where the money went with this series
The only game I will buy brand new would be games in this series because god damit it is 100% gonna be worth it
@@comodojoe59 literally just the standard price of a game
@@DM-yi7bu Pirates can't afford that cause they're all unemployed, basement dwelling incels.
@@anxiousoutlaw1414 harsh. Wouldn't incels be the one who would value games higher?
It took me a while to realize that by the time Arthur and John left, everyone that would’ve joined them was either dead or had left before them. Hosea, Sean, Lenny, and Keiran would have joined them if they hadn’t died, and Pearson, Trelawney, Reverend Swanson, and Karen would have joined them if they hadn’t left. It’s great writing and forethought like this that makes this game so special.
Would Pearson and Sean though? I thought Sean was more morally equivalent to Javier, who sided with Dutch and Micah.
@@adambess4909 not really Sean looked up to Arthur plus he hated Micah and would've believed that Micah was the rat and would've Join Arthur, I mean even Dutch said Sean was younger Arthur
You’re right but hosea will 100% go with Dutch
@@Ssm12212 hell nah Hosea saw how the gang life wasn’t going to last long even before it happened
So he would’ve sided with John and Arthur
@@Ssm12212 not in the slightest my dude. Hosea definitely knew from right and straight up madness. He was the Uncle Iron of the gang. He would joined Arthur knowing how far Dutch has fallen.
If the ending of RDR2 would be faded out, then fade in with "Four years later" and into a remastered version of RDR, I could die happy.
I wanted an RDR1 remaster until the recent GTA Trilogy remastering that was a complete debacle.
@@maxhydekyle2425 I haven’t seen that yet; is it really that bad?
@@Snabelskorna yes, yes it is
@@Snabelskorna yeah, lol! 😂
@@Snabelskorna sadly yes. Rockstars outsourced the job to another company, and well, its baf
What the?! I never realized it was Downes who stopped Arthur and Tommy's fight before.
Yeah there even is an interaction with him before you get debt from him. And Thomas Downes was trying to get money for homeless and sick children. Just like arthur helped everyone with TB
Me too
Maybe the valentine curse was just Mr. Downes infecting everyone 😂
I knew he was important but I did not know why
I didnt know he gave Arthur TB
that moment is very weird with the eerie music that accompanies it
Rdr1 and Rdr2 are the best games I've ever played. The only games that brought tears to my eyes.
@@DarkLight-sz1vp lol that’s in like 5 more yrs
@@igotrickrolled5936 5 years? Try 10 more
@@DarkLight-sz1vp sadly, there won’t be anymore RDRs. But if there was, I would have to guess that you play as Jack Marston.
@@Ryan10865 pretty sure thats not true
@@Ryan10865 nah u would prolly play as young Arthur
Out of all the deaths (excluding Arthur and John) for some reason Lenny hurt the most I loved that kid
Yeah a bit more with him would have been good but just would have made it even harder ...
Hosea Mathews, MISS GRIMSHAW!?!?!
@@cokelover45 ya man I know those were painful to but I kinda knew they were gonna die just based on how close they were to everyone Lenny didn’t need to die
Agreed, he was a good kid
@@cokelover45 ehhhh grimshaw I didn’t really care about much. Hosea, Lenny and Sean’s, deaths were all very painful because it came from betrayal and dutches mistakes. Grimshaw was just shot by Micah randomly and felt like a really unnecessary death in terms of impact and meaning.
I don't know which I want most for the next game:
1) The events after RDR 1 exploring what happened to Jack
2) Another prequel going even further back in time to before the Blackwater heist
3) A sequel about Sadie and her adventures in South America
I want another prequel, because there's nowhere to go beyond where rdr1 left Jack. And I feel that Sadie's adventures would be better as a spin-off series.
@@syllvanis_ yeah, that's how I'm starting to feel too. I only hope they finally let us see the Blackwater heist
We cant go to much past rdr1 anyways, because then were in LA Noire
@@jakethasnake871 false. That takes place in the late 1940's on the east coast
@@syllvanis_
Well it could go either way
1-events after rdr1
In fact I have high hopes to see the story of jack and the new world and there is small chance that he could meet Issac (Arthur son) assuming he is alive since Arthur said that he saw 2 crosses. maybe he couldn’t recognise their faces
now that would be sick the only con is that they cant go after that timeline
2-prequel could work dutch hosea has great backstory so anyway we have to wait for the next game :D
"I've got a plan" - words before a disaster
1899 version of "hold my beer"
Albert Einstein be like: 😛
Famous last words
Everyone’s got a plan before they get hit
I never realised that as the game progresses, and Dutch starts to lose his way, his outfit actually starts to deteriorate.
In the epilogue he looked like evil Santa Claus
@@SatansGreatestSoldier Right! From the Santa Clause 2 with Tim Allen! I could not get it out of my head, especially with the snowy atmosphere
@@SatansGreatestSoldier More like depressed Santa
i dont see the differences ;-;
@@theunknownuser9609you're right. My mans Dutch lost everything. The way after he helped John kill Micah & walked past John looking like "You happy now?" was actually quite chilling.
It’s crazy how well they merged and went back to rdr1 to make sure the story lines fit perfectly it’s amazing the amount of small details you find when replaying and noticing how rockstar was able to near perfectly make the games run right along side eachother
Which is why it's such a shame r* don't seem to care for red dead any more.
@@SHAZZZZZA the story is over, what else do you want?
@@DodgeThatAttack red dead online
@@DodgeThatAttack Exactly 😅 I heard rumours that they were gonna make another game and say Arthur didn't die. Even though we watched him die on the mountain or getting stabbed by Micah etc. I would straight up refuse to buy the game if R* tried to milk their audience like that, fucking Marvel Multiverse style, they can sack ma deek. Only thing I kinda wanted or could ask for was how we got from John Buying the farm and getting married to the part in Red Dead 1 when they get off the train, I don't understand 😅
@@jawdonxtrahero6673 john lived a peaveful life for a couple years, got caught by the pinkertons, moved to some jail and then brought to blackwater for him to kill dutch javier and bill
Arthur was such a likable character. I felt terrible after his death and almost robbed of enjoying the remainder of the game.
When Arthur tells Dutch “you keep killing folk, Dutch.” It gave me chills!
Hahahahaha
“Shall we continue, Arthur?” The one line that legitimately sent shivers down my spine when said that
and a couple of missions earlier Arthur kills 30 cops in the failed trolley heist mission
@@ninodrhr well it was either that or dutch, arthur, and lenny would’ve died. self defense vs just strangling a woman he could’ve easily just knocked out or disarmed. big difference.
@@ssjkara224 While there's a difference, it really isn't that big. By the same logic it is self defense to kill the woman once you've assaulted her because she seemed the type to stab if you stopped halfway.
By robbing places and shooting the guards/police, the gang are not killing in self defense, they are entirely on the offensive and bring the danger upon themselves, that is not self defense, that is just murder.
It's like breaking into someones room in the middle of the night and then claiming self defense asyou kill them after the person tries to attack you.
Micah:kills Grimshaw
Dutch:wHoM aMoGnSt YoU iS wItH mE aNd WhO iS bEtRaYiNg Me?
I know it's for gameplay reasons to keep RDR1 intact but how the hell do you side with Dutch when John comes walking back up after being "killed".
sheesh dabadyyyy
@@anathemise LET'S GOOOO , Yeah Yeah, Im the real dababy, give me your credit card info so I can make a new song featuring you, Yeah Yeah
@@hectorgerardo9297 lol
Stolen comment
I played Read Dead 2 and immediately after played red dead 1 again, after watching John die I straight away played the Stranger mission of Jack's revenge the credits brought me to tiers, I was so sad to see the saga end, the storyline is phenomenal, unforgetable experience, like reading a book through a game 👌
RDR 1 credits hit hard, the end of arther and johns story it’s a bittersweet ending with jack outliving everyone
@@UlfhednarAxe As it should, Jack was the future of the gang, and the gang lives on in him.
There's a second ending where John doesn't die instead of walking out the front run through the back where abigail and Jack Ride off it comes up with a cut scene where John runs off and the army just give up
Not over yet, still Rdr3.
@@memehubz8238 the lies though smh
RDR2 is probably the best game of all times in my book. Great work summarizing the story, loved reliving it .
Glad you enjoyed it!
just imagine how different things would’ve turned out if hosea never died, i think hosea was the last thing keeping dutch grounded
micah technically killed hosea since he ratted them out to the bank heist
@@jeispace9960 think he started ratting on the gang when they just got back from guarma
@@jeispace9960 if it weren't for Micah all this shit never would have happened
@@jeispace9960 Micah didn’t rat them out until after he and the others returned from Guarma.
there was this extremely heart-wrenching moment when they manage to get jack back from angelo bronte.
john talks to his son while they were riding back to camp and asks whether he was mistreated etc. he realizes that bronte provided more for jack than he ever could, just in that short time.
The increasing pain in John's voice, as Jack is telling him about all the wonderful things he saw and ate, really got to me.
This was definitely the moment John realized he needs to get his act together and become the kind of man his son can look up to.
Especially with Jack calling him "Papa Bronte."
@@NEWFIExGAMING yeah but even in the epilogue it doesn't matter though. he doesn't really try to relate to Jack or his imagination/love of books and reading and stuff sooooo i mean eh. lol. i just don't really care for John, but that's just my personal opinion.
@@K.114. he tries, he's just been left behind. He can't read, hes a violent criminal, and he desperately wants his son to be something better
@@zagreus101 John can read…
Dutch in RDR2: THEY. WONT. CATCH. ME.
And they never. did. Dutch took his own life. What an amazing and complex villain. god I love this whole story
Honestly I think he's not a villain. The Villain to me is and will always be Micah, who poisoned Dutch's mind since the beginning of the game. Dutch is just a poor soul that was lost in his own ego.
@@Sasasala386 i agree
@@Sasasala386 Micah wasn’t there when he strangled a women in guarma. Nuff said
@@Sasasala386 I agree. Not so much a villain, but an anti-hero I suppose. He had the same hopes and dreams that rest of the gang had. But had such an ego and quite the narcissist. Was easily poisoned by Micah.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 Almost everyone in the group has killed someone who didn't deserve it so this is a dumb point. None of these people are "good" in the traditional sense, just individuals surviving a harsh world against the bad and the downright ugly. To discredit Dutch as a villain because of killing that girl or his betrayal in the end shows you really didn't pay attention to the story.
Sadly I am sure we won’t see a story this good in future games. Amazing video.
RDR 3
You never know
Arthur running around with 7600$ in his pockets...
Yeah in a time when a new car was $800
Yeah cuz the car was definitely around in 1899..
@@privateerbouncher9622 It was actually invented in 1870-1880s I believe
@@privateerbouncher9622 it was around soon enough. By the time of rdr1, they had already become common sights
Lol.
Everybody gangsta till “Unshaken” starts playing.
Hearing it makes you shaken
Facts
The second time
May I stand unshaken?
I'm glad that Charles got out of the life, because imagine if John had to hunt him down along with Bill and Javier. I understand that Charles wasn't thought of at the time, but for a moment, imagine how sad it would be to have to kill Charles for the government to save John's family...
see thats the part i never got about John, he had teh finances he could have left just like Charles...i don't get why him and his family stayed. i don't get me wrong but you do bad things in an area , and think life will just go on ? people forget, Most don't forgive Mexico or Canada were his only options . Mexico would be best .. he could hang with the mans Landon Ricketts. but the story had to end bad i guess.
@@jclinton4473 he got a ranch just 10 miles away from blackwater, the city where the first bank job went totally south and started this whole mess lol
John didn't really have a choice with the circumstances he had, and they did buy into the peace, and land was already bought
What about Sadie?
I'm glad Charles got out so that didn't have to happen. Saddest thing for me is when they credits rolled and Sadie n Charles left the ranch n the others. Chances are they never seen each other again. But it's better that way, because they lived
To this day, I cry when Arthur hands his hat to John, then at the death of Arthur’s horse, then Arthur himself. Can’t help it now and I hope never will. RDR2 is the best game I ever played, and this video the best rendition of the storyline. Bravo.
What destroyed the Dutch Van der Linde gang?
Dutch’s ego.
He demanded blind loyalty and did not tolerate anyone questioning his leadership or decisions. That’s why he attached more to Micah in the end. Micah shamelessly submitted himself to Dutch’s ego.
That’s the only way to really explain it
You mean Micah continued to stroke Dutch's ego to keep the raging fire burning.
Micah was just being a dick
Micah was manipulative
Nah what truly destroyed the gang was 1 sentence and It was... "I have a plan" dutch van der lin 1899
I remember Arthurs death on my first play through. When he took his hat and put it on one last time. When he rode through the forest with the music and the sunset. The singer saying the words “That’s the way it is”. At this point, I started to weep Uncontrollably. Not crying out of sadness, but because I know that in a few short moments, the man I got to learn, discover, and connected to, would be gone! I thought about all the decisions I made, I thought of the life that He had, everything would be gone. I thought about how Arthur leaving the only family he had ever known. The way that he faced his death like a man. After his death, I locked myself in my room and was lost in my mind for quite a long time.
In a way, it makes you enjoy John’s journey that much more. Makes that end even more tragic and sad.
I burst into tears, never been so connected to a game character.
I feel the same way.
So far I've finished it twice and both times I have *CRIED* and I mean *CRIED* the second time though the tears were a little more controllable but the anger was not so controllable. I dont think I have flipped off a video game character (micah by the way) as much as I did this time.
@@c_a_r_____ At least he didn't outright kill Arthur, that would have been too much... My RD2 disc would not survive that.
Something I noticed, on Guarma Arthur is with the 4 main antagonists John has to fight.
Micah in the final mission
Javier, Bill, and Dutch in the first RDR.
That’s very true. I never noticed that!
Another smaller detail is during the big bank heist: When Lenny is shot, all 4 antagonists of the RDR games run past Lenny's body (Micah, Bill, Javier, & Dutch) while Arthur tends to Lenny and Charles stops to pay his respect.
It’s almost as if they’re in a gang together or something
@@the_competent_gamer9454 That’s a bit unfair, as Javier and Dutch did turn around and stop for a second in shock. Bill and Micah ran right past, though.
@@auroraflos2498 I think I saw that as order of caring for each character, Arthur liking him the most stops, Charles also. Then Dutch and Javier 2 people with clear care but not as much. The final 2 as the least caring. Like Javier didn't want to kill John, Dutch was trying to protect himself and Micha and Bill the least caring both threatening and trying to kill John.
People forget how good the story was in the first game too. You depicted it perfectly. Top class
Honestly if Arthur Never died he and Micah would be like Colm and Dutch
i agree except if arthur lived he wouldn’t have gone and started a gang. he most likely would have settled down with the marstons or charlotte balfour
The events that took place might still happen but with Arthur. Arthur and the marstons would go to the ucon and come back in 1907, went to prohnhorn ranch, and set up at beaches hope and killed Micah . But in 1907 Arthur would be 44 years old and back then that was very old so he might be dead by 1911
well micah also died lol
He probably would start his on gang with John and his family and Sadie and Charles also miss Grimshaw and Lenny if they wasn’t dead
@@stfutoast Or Arthur would have gotten back with Mary Linton
This game is a masterpiece, literally the only time I've cried over a game
soy
sorry for saying soy
@@Alphae21 Alpha e redemption
No it's kinda shit I have 10 playthroughs on the game it's good if you are playing for the 1st time but then you see all the lazy programming and scripted stuff and it becomes repetitive
@@PomptonII of course if you play TEN playthroughs it’s going to get boring and repetitive. Thought that was common sense
There is actually closure in this story line there is an Easter egg and grand theft auto 5 where you find a book written by Jack Marston where he talks about stories of the wild West which is everything that has gone on in both red dead redemption games. He became an author after killing Ross.
Dayummm
Assuming any of its true. Could just be a dime novel story afterall. There is a lot of mysticism in the redemptions. Then again, GTA has it's fair share of strangeness.
Kid really went "im going to kill you for murdering my father- ooooo look a book story!"
however, GTA and RDR are not supposed to be in the same universe canonically
@@jeriko_studios not really it went oooo look a book to -im going to kill you for murdering my father to -oooo a look a book
Fun fact: during the small walk in a pretty town mission aka seans death, Micah can be seen looking at the shooter before sean is shot
that god damn RAT
He wasn’t looking at the shooter before he shot Sean he looked up right after he was shot. Micah’s a sharp shooter you’d think he knows where the shot of a gun is fired
@@TheBatmanMonomaniac no as they are walking during the cinematic micah looks up around 1-3 seconds before sean says something don't feel right?
@@updastorm685 well maybe the fact someone was out of place. I agree Micah was a scumbag but I don’t think everything bad was because of him.
In the end of it all, Jack is the man Arthur truly saved. Of course that is only because he saved John and Abigail who had at least a few good years together before RDR1. Jack is the one who escaped this life. Sure, he killed John's killer, but, from what we've seen in Easter eggs and such, Jack moves on and becomes a writer. He finally leaves the west and escaped the life that his father was doomed to.
Or he lived his life on the run from what he did, or got drafted into the military and the book im gtav is his biography
@@spookubus Considering that he canonically survives until the 1990’s where he dies of old age, I’d say that he doesn’t go on the run cuz he didn’t exactly have a gang to defend him like Dutch did. Him being drafted is likely though.
@@spookubus why would he have to live on the run? Nobody knows he killed Ross.
At the end of John Marston in RDR1, I was absolutely floored that they killed the best character in all of video games. Fortunately, Jack's ending was so satisfying that it felt like there was no other way it should have happened. I thought for sure that no other character could ever make me feel like I did at the end of that game. I was super hyped for RDR2; I bought a PS4 Pro and a new 65" TV just so I could experience it in the best way I could. But who was this Arthur guy? I'd much rather be playing as John...
Needless to say, I cried when Arthur died. Kudos to Rockstar for doing the impossible and make me love another character more than John Marston. If they release another RDR, and they do it again, I swear its going to be like an actual family member dying.
Of course, if they don't right their ship, that isn't going to happen.
Yeah, I probably think Red Dead 2 is my favourite game of all time at this point. I finished the Story yesterday and the epilogue in the morning and good grief the way they made you care for Arthur and the way he tries to change for the better before he passes, I just felt it 😪 his relationships with the characters and how he tried to help Dutch see what was right and knowing no matter what honor you had, you couldn't keep him alive just broke me. Even Charlotte, I felt so bad for her til i found out she was aware he didnt have long 😕 and Riding that horse back to the sound of 'Unshaken' was just the epitome of self reflection. The game's Immaculate and I will probably play it again very soon without a doubt
They're makin a new rdr bro
spoiler: Jack Marston gets drafted into the first world war and dies unceremoniously of machine gun fire while going over the top. twist is after he dies you play as Jacks son "Jake Marston" and you get revenge by killing Hitler.
Hitler just so happens to be Dutch’s great grandson
Hitler killed himself and Jack's son killed him? Wait a minute...
@jamus mccullough Hitler participated in WW1 as a soldier you muffin
@jamus mccullough he was the one on the machine gun, obviously
@@lmao.3661 yes
One thing I must point out. Dutch wasn’t partnered with Micah in the epilogue and he wasn’t there for the money. I think this can be proven by one single line of dialogue. Its the line that Dutch says to John.
“ Same as you….I suppose “.
John, Sadie, and Charles went up that mountain to kill Micah, to put an end to all this, and most of all, to get revenge for their beloved friend and brother Arthur. In their minds, Micah prob killed Arthur because all they saw was Micah survive and Arthur didn’t. So they most definitely presumed that by killing Micah, it would serve some sense of revenge. They never went up there for the money, that was never the intent. By Dutch saying “ same as you….I suppose “. I think that at the moment of Arthur’s death, he didn’t just turn his back on his mistakes, or the gang, or Arthur. He also turned his back on Micah and all the money as well. At that point, he had a moment of clarity which can be seen when Arthur said “ I gave you all I had….i did “ and all he could mutter in response was “ I- “. In that moment, looking down at his protege, his son, dying by his feet, he realized. He realized he was wrong, Arthur never betrayed him and only cared about his best interest, and he realized that Micah was behind all of this.
My guess is that some time after Arthur’s death, Dutch went on to live a life of solitude until hearing of Micah’s whereabouts just like Sadie. To which he ventured up the mountain to kill him. Maybe in his mind, killing Micah would give some type of penance or he would be forgiven, maybe it would give him peace. Of course, at the sight of Dutch, Micah is most pleased. I can assume so because he wanted him to join him so badly when they fled and was angry when he turned his back. This is what ultimately allowed Dutch to deceive Micah and in his words “ play him like a fiddle “, which can be seen after he shoots him and he responds with “ your shoot me- “. But at this moment in his life, seeing John and Sadie, and realizing he really did fail them, Dutch proceeds down the mountain without the money. He leaves, now realizing that the death of Micah served him nothing, and he will forever be tormented by the mistakes of his past. Which is what ultimately causes him to be so mentally unhinged in the first game. In the end, he kills himself, with John by his side once more. Any dream of living someplace else is now gone. The west might be forgotten, but Dutch never was, and neither was his demons. In the end, his only hope of getting away was to just give it all up, which is exactly what he did. Dutch is a special case in media because even though he messed up so many times, I can never see him as a run true villain. In my eyes, he will always be just a broken man, a man running from his pain. A man who couldn’t deal with the deaths of his closest comrades, the people he considered family. And a man who became a slave to the very thing he was trying to run from all those years before.
if you try and kill micah before dutch ,, dutch will kill john... failed...
I've played the game about 7 times now, but I still feel like watching this. The story is just that good
True
I've played this game 16 times and I still can't get my honor to be good very frustrating
@@Spinwix really? I couldn't get my honor to be bad lol.
I’ve played and finished rdr 1 about 5 times and rdr 2 about 3 times
@@Julio_Gomes well, that's probably because your not out for blood like me
I need a Sadie and a Charles game or dlc
Charles is definitely a character that deserved more depth into his story, whatever it is.
@@stranded8088 I would like to see his life after he leaves the ranch.
See him make a family, and so on
Sadie sucks
Yeah I liked Charles
Sadie voice actor is trash.. she’s overacting
You left out the best part
“You’re a wanted man Mr.Morgan, $5,000 for you’re head alone”
Arthur: “5,000 dollars? Can I turn myself in?”
bro arthur was a goat😭 he didn’t have to die
5 Grand he is worth more than that to us.
@@jdent4544 5k in 1899 is 178k in today’s money
"I've got jellybeans, you like jellybeans?"
Your*
It's not you are head.
Can we all just take a second to appreciate rockstar for what they've done and give props to this dude for tying it all together so well unlike most people who just cut and edit everything this dude actually took his time and put work in he definitely gained a subscriber 💯
I love the absolute heartbreak in arthurs voice when he says "you ran away"
Currently replaying RDR2 and the conversation he has with Arthur in the camp actually says alot about his character.
He even goes as far to say that Arthur will betray him because he's the type too. Ironic as hell
Not to mention the look he gives dutch after saying it.... He knew who Dutch truly was in that moment
@bastiat Dutch is a narcissist. It's as clear as day
Dutch was very manipulative and constantly used how he saved Arthur and took him in, as a kid, against Arthur whenever he questioned his decisions.
@bastiat I never stated he was evil...I stated he was manipulative, which he was. Dutch is a very complex character, as they all are. You can see in RDR2 how he struggles within himself over what he once stood for and what he is becoming. That doesn't change that he was manipulative with his words and often utilized others to push his own self-interest. I'm sure he cared for many in the camp, but towards the end he began putting himself over everyone else and Micah was there to fan the flame after Hosea passed away.
The amount of times I’ve come back and rewatched this video is crazy. This was so well made.
Awesome to hear!
Wow. Just WOW.
What a cinematic summary, what a plot, without releasing too much of the conversations and scenes, what a narrator's voice.
Congrats for the beautiful work mate, brilliant planing and editing.
Agent Milton was always a man that believed in making things right, and Micha was always a problem, and Bill was always a punk, but Dutch was supposed to be a good guy, and all about the family. I was so disappointed in Dutch. It’s sad when you find out that Molly never said a word.
Yep. Only reason she proclaimed that she ratted them out is because it was the *only* thing that would get Dutch to acknowledge her existence.
@@Jenna_Talia Ah, I see. I did wonder why she would say that when she didn't. Poor lass
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She probably wanted to die
Micha? The person hated by Arthru?
@@syllvanis_ and loyal sidekick to Duthc
This video is criminally hidden within TH-cam, amazing, thank you.
Yeah true that
I don’t think no game can ever get me more emotionally involved than this.
Yeah true 😂
This is honestly the best game timeline i've ever seen due to the very smooth editing and phrasing
This is a really good summation of the full story but I’m surprised in these kinds of videos, no one ever points out the moment after the trolley station heist, when Dutch receives a head injury when the trolley crashes.
Until that point he would treat doubts with a level of hope and optimism, but after was much more irritable, and quick to anger. Immediately following it, during their escape I’m pretty sure it’s the first time Dutch reacts with anger and actively has a go at Arthur for having even the gall to criticise him.
Supposedly something similar happened to Henry VIII after a jousting accident, and the head injury may have caused some brain damage which helped facilitate his descent into tyranny.
The amount of focus given to it at the time in the game always led me to believe that this was major factor in Dutch’s descent too.
I think I commented on one of Markipliers videos but yes no one mentions the head injury.
Also Molly snitching, not everyone mentions, didn't help.
By that point in the game everything is going downhill . Thats what made him start being irrational, not really a head injury lol . He wouldbe neber stood up at that moment if he sustained a TBI that caused that type thing . He began thinking crazy cuz HIS DECISIONS WERE ALL WRONG and leading to their downfall
I think it’s cause people aren’t dumb enough to think getting hit in the head changes how he thinks lol the injury had nothing to do with his unraveling
@@Uno-vj2os except it has been proven that brain injury survivors may have difficulties managing their anger, which can result in irritability or aggressive behaviour. This can include shouting, swearing, using threatening language or being physically aggressive or violent.. but look at you calling people dumb
in my opinion Arthur is the among the best characters that rockstar has ever made, a caring person who battles his inner demons so other people can prosper.
without a doubt my favourite moment is when he sacrifises himself so that john can escape with his family
When he says "I gave you all I had" as one of his words, my heart hurts every time. He really gave everything he could to Dutch and his plans/ideology (his morals, his chance with Mary Linton, his health, his life eventually)
it's really a shame how john said "I turned my back on them after they turned their back on me" when there is no mention of Arthur, who, as his last chance at happiness, saved john and his family from those who were after them.
In general though, it was true. You really wouldn't mention that little bit of help from Arthur at the end every time you tell people the basic story. He's dead now. And really the story is true, he felt like he didn't have a home there anymore, Dutch went crazy, so he turned his back on it all. It's excusable. But I always had resistance to Arthur from having played John first.
@@GlennDavey it sucks that dutch's mental decline was caused, in theory, by the trolley accident with lenny and Arthur. Also Hosea was holding Dutch together, he made him see what he was doing wrong. After he died, it just got worse and worse. He leaned more towards Micah because he was submissive to everything Dutch thought. Dutch just through those 20 years of loyalty away because of the ignorance of one six-month-long gang member
Well the actual reason is because he didn't exist yet the canonical reason is most likely because he went for the money instead of helping John because why else would no one even utter a word about Arthur if he hadn't has betrayed everyone I mean there's probably a reason high honor isn't the only ending
@@egg-cf8bt No, the canonical reason is that there's no reason to mention Arthur in RDR1. In the Epilogue of RDR2 John tells Mary Beth that he thinks about Arthur often, but he doesn't like to speak about him because it's painful. 12 years have passed since Arthur's death, John is more focused on the basics of the situation which is: The gang did leave him. They did leave him to die on the train heist and he has to hunt them down.
@@bakeyboi3958 The trolley accident theory holds no weight. Dutch was always a bad person, as made evident by him ruthlessly killing Heidi McCourt in the Blackwater heist long before the trolley crash, and his insanity was worsened by the strenuous situation of the gang falling apart, people around him dying, and the law constantly closing in on him. He got desperate and greedy and Micah was one of the only ones that stayed with him. That's why he favored Micah in the end, because Arthur was questioning his authority and Micah wasn't.
Arthur saying I gave you all I had makes me tear up a little
Rdr3 will probably be about the blackwater robbery when arthur was young or we play as jack after john dies.
He died In 1916
Can’t take place after with Jack bc civilization has already been developed. Practically no Wild West exists anymore so wouldn’t be much of a cowboy game lol would love to play young Arthur so we can see how this gang formed under Dutch
It could be a different location altogether, but earlier. Maybe even link to RD Revolver
You already got to play as Jack after johns death in rdr1.
Maybe just new story and a new era like old school mobsters or vietnam war story.
I love how he uses the High Honour and Help John ending as that's is the real ending
It is
I’d like to see:
Charles story after Beecher hope
The early frontier years of Rains Fall, Landon Ricketts, young Hosea and Uncles. Maybe bring Red Harlow into the picture.
Or maybe bring in Jack for a final ride with some of the old fans members and their families. They try to find the Black water stash.
The black water stash is gone. Micah and Dutch got it in chapter 8
The Blackwater stash was in the box on the mountain where you kill Micah.
most of the blackwater money was taken by john at the end of epilogue part 2
The Golden Age of the Wild West starring a new gang with cameos from a younger Hosea, Dutch and Arthur set during the 1870s
Jack Marston during the prohibition/depression with the new generation of outlaws like Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger and how he helps robs banks and trains and gets involved with the new mafia (Al Capone) in the big city.
That way if you play these games chronologically you go from the 1870s - 1930s and see the changes in city and technology and way of life and see the similarities between the outlaws of the Wild West and the outlaws of the depression/prohibition.
DLC can be Bounty Hunting as Sadie Adler, Javier in Mexico, Rise of Bill Williamson’s Gang and Charles Move to Canada
Charles one could be a Red Dead game but not a RDR game. The second one i’d like that. And the last one if they dont find it that would work because in Epilogue 2 they have the money so they can find it
It killed me when Hosea died. He was the glue holding everyone together. I think that is the moment when Dutch went wrong.
Hosea was like the frontal lobe of the brain that forces you to use common-sense & Dutch was the passion and the ideas of the brain.
Arthur was the backbone & John was the heart.
And then Sadie & Charles became the two lungs of the gang who were versatile and breathed life into the game & tried to breathe life into Arthur when things became dark.
@@SatansGreatestSoldierMicah was the cancerous tumor.
In RDR2 agent Ross says "Enjoy the fishing, while you still can to Jack"
He will be the one killing agent Ross while he is fishing, it's so crazy to think about.
No you’ve said that and playing both games that is so on point
Ross was duck hunting actually
@@SomeoneThatIsHappy no he was fishing watch Strange Man's latest video he covers this topic
That’s called writing and foreshadowing. First time with a story? 🤣
@@RDR911 nobody asked kiddo
I left my first playthrough so unfinished. I didn't know I was playing Arthur's last mission where he would die. I left all the strangers, and all the hobbies things because I didn't ask my friend (because he spoils too much) I regret leaving so empty.
I cried when my Arabian horse Aphrodite died -Had literally just got bonding 4 on her, loved her to pieces) and when Arthur died (I had high honor and chose to help john instead of get the money)
Also unshaken (a song that plays when Arthur dies and another time) is so beautiful and I can't stop playing it
My friend told me to make a save at chapter 3 and go back to that when i beat the game since it's the best time to free roam.
I like how Dutch was a great leader and a good person and a good character in the beginning, but when people started to die more and more, he got more and more crazy and slowly became a villain, bad guys became less important and when they were almost not important at all anymore, they died like a side characters because they were not important no more in the story (Colm O'Driscoll and Leviticus Cornwall) (is this what Rockstar wanted or am i just overanalyzing this)
There’s a saying, you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Dutch van der Linde was a violent, selfish manipulator. It is revealed almost immediately, but the player (like Arthur) chooses to ignore the red flags out of loyalty and camaraderie. Dutch knows he can keep honest people in line this way so he can continue to be dishonest. The reason the other "villains" or more accurately antagonists die so cheaply and with so little fanfare is because they are no longer opposing forces. They're victims of Dutch.
@@qwopiretyuCould have not said that any better! Some individuals don’t understand the mind of Dutch. It’s pretty obvious, around chapter 2-3 I could see right through him.
It’s a little confusing how Arthur could’ve contracted and started dying of tuberculosis so fast, it takes years to show symptoms in reality. I don’t think he actually got it from Thomas Downes.
It just made for a better story that the TB was essentially a punishment for his bad deeds as a “bad man”. And instead of a quick and sudden death like many outlaws like sean or lenny, he had to sit with the fact he was going to die and contemplate what his life was going to leave behind and how he wanted his life to affect those around him.
Top tier editing, and cohesive story telling!
The O’driscolls didn’t take Sadie hostage in the beginning of the game, she hid in the cellar
Yeah 😊
But several times she brings up "the things they did to me" insinuating that she was beaten, tortured, r*ped, etc.
@@Smoking_Man I’m pretty sure they had issues with the o driscolls before
They found her tied up in the cellar not hiding
Man I miss the first red dead soundtrack. It was like a spaghetti western of Drum n bass & badass ennio morricone & “modern 50s-60s” surfy guitar. Absolutely badass.
It's so much of the game's vibe. It really does a lot of heavy lifting.
@@GlennDavey heck yeah. You can imagine how excited and happy I was when you first play as Marston on the burning farm and his theme plays as he becomes an “outlaw” again
@@Puppy_Puppington Same. I felt seen in that moment.
A cool detail is that the first time Micah appears through the snow you can hear snake rattling in the background
When? I just played the mission again bc of this comment. Do you mean right after dutch says "Micah"? Cus I think thats just Dutch breathing the cold air
After all of the times I have played this game I never noticed it was Thomas Downs that stopped Arthur from killing Tommy.
38:27 when he gave him the hat i cried ;(
YESS I felt the same way, I knew it was the end... I cried
you Gay bro !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ISA-yz9qv that is uncalled for....
@@ISA-yz9qv for what? crying?
@@ISA-yz9qv your mom gay
Brilliantly retold. You even kept the Guarma section short. Bless you.
Took me so long to give red dead redemption a chance, saw it on sale on steam and thought i would give it a shot. I absolutely fell in love with the game and the story touched my heart making me what to buy Red Dead Redemption 1
This is so far the only game to make me weep. In fact it’s more than a just a game, it’s a masterpiece!
You're not alone
Honestly before viewing this I had no recollection that Javier in rdr1 was the same guy from Dutch's gang in rdr2.
Exactly they’re like two different people
@@clxutz I think the voice actors are different as well.
@@tonytwodat6986 they barely sound any different tbh, RDR1 Javier voice just has more of a Mexican accent which makes sense because he didn’t have to speak English for about 12 years
This video is excellent, but it's still 100 percent worth experiencing these stories yourself
Started rd1 didnt like the mechamicks started rd1 and now I'm at the point where u meet failing ain and the other Indians
Ive played through the games five times and still enjoy watching videos like these. Just goes to show the true depth of the story
My mom was asking me about this game so I sent her this video and she watched the whole thing. She’s now an outlaw for life ✌🏻
I honestly want a spin off game where we play as Sadie, wish we got more of her adventures
Yeah but her voice was worse than nails on a chalkboard :(
@@Jdozjsnwj783 LOL WHAT? she has a charming voice
She sounds like jessie from toy story 2 lol
@@Jdozjsnwj783 you just have terrible ears
@@someone0 nah, I just prefer women to sound feminine lol
I already understood the red redemption story line, but just to have the full story be broken down , it was worth my time
I felt like I was watching a documentary
Red dead redemption was a really good game , but the second one really took it home
❤
Thank you!
That Hello and goodbye to “meeeeexiiiicoooooooo!!!” Was insanely clever and hilarious. Excellent work on this entire video fellas.
Excellent 😊
Dutch may have become who he really was underneath, but that person is in all of us.
The thing is, if Dutch just became who he really is, then he deserves some credit for fighting his darker nature for so long
@@slimkickens like I said, everyone has a breaking point. Not everyone will reach this breaking point, but Dutch did.
Not really Dutch has a god complex he was broken from the beginning
Probably the most immersive game in history to date. Would love to see a 3rd chapter with Jack
Yeah it really kinda seems they are working up to that. Would be neat might end up being more of a roaring 20's gangster game. That would be pretty fricking cool....
@@Didi_Meow_Records exactly what I was thinking man. Not sure how far forward they could go before it is just another GTA though.
@@foryourlugsonly Also would be tough to make a game like that without just being like a Mafia game, but i think they could do it. GTA 6 from what i am hearing is going to have a male and female protagonist. Very similar to a Bonnie and Clyde type. (Surely just a vague coincidence) but would be neat if they were working on something like that with Jack. It would make for a good closer to a proper trilogy. The downfall of the wild-west, and how it effects the characters involved. The first two games are the dying breaths of that era The final game would be those first few steps in the new America. Would be cool if they used the same map as RDR2 just evolved over time ( like it already does in the game but more drastically)
@@Didi_Meow_Recordsover 1 year later and u were right about Bonnie and Clyde
If RDR3 was focused on Jack I don't think it would be a Wild West style anymore because society evolved since the events of RDR1 it'll be just like L.A Noir
In my opinion RDR3 would be great if they went even back to the time the gang was starting to form and have Dutch as our protagonist and this time protecting little Arthur
I've been looking for so many single videos of different creators... Only to find you! Your whole style is exactly what I'm looking for in every video, dude you're amazing and so well informed/eloquently spoken as well! Subscribed and now binging ALL your videos today while I clean
Lol I’m on my 3rd play through, i know the story well. I have watched countless videos about RDR2 as well.. and I’m still watching this. This story is just so damn good
Wow you love this game ❤️
Have you watched bengals??? His is amazing. Name of the channel is gene dangus
Dutch is, in a weird way the most relatable character I've ever come across in video games. I mean by his morally ever changing philosophies and bland excuses to hide what he truly wants, not the other way around ☠☠☠
Best story in all gaming history, nothing else even comes close.
Fallout New Vegas*
Titanfall 2
The last of us
@@egg-cf8bt lf
ur speaking about about LOU1 then yeah but the second part HUH no
@@user-hh3gk2pq5n you should still play the second one it's got better combat just skip all the cutscenes lmao
I have replayed this game more times than I can count but each time is always new. I love that.
is it just me or when playing the game you got goosebumps at the emotional parts especially with the great songs
Arthur gives john his hat before his death and I think it would be a good touch if Arthurs hat was Johns hat from the start. Arthur would have the hat that john wears in rdr1 from the start of the game. It would be a sign of friendship and remembrance of Arthur. It would also serve as a from of foreshadowing from the start of the game.
The most beautiful story ever told through a video game
I agree with you
This editing is fricken amazing. The tribute I've wanted to watch, and was editing in my head for years.
Man, this game is so fun, I wish I could experience my first time playing again
So sad it took me two whole years to find you and your story telling!!! Pure beauty in your work and your voiceovers are perfect, straight to the point
I know a lot about the series, but I always watch these vids recapping it because Red Dead truly feels like an American documentary; it is just phenomenal.
As well having asthma, hearing Author struggle to breath was traumatizing.
There are lots of this kind of video on TH-cam, but this is by far the best one I have seen. Very good work.
This man has the best story telling knowledge. it was a pleasure to watch this
The one thing I love about this game is how connected you get to the characters and so sad whenever one of them dies
Nice pfp