RBR. Dirt 2.0 teaches you to drive way over the limit and abuse the physics and cut corners in ways that would kill you in real life. There is a reason real rally drivers train with RBR.
EA WRC and RBR rsf version. Both are good. Both have their quirks too. RBR is probably more slippery than real life and cars a bit sluggish to respond. While WRC is modeled more toward the crazy handling of Rally1 cars but this can be tuned down with setup if you want it feeling like lower spec cars. Im an ex Dirtfish student and for me, on gravel, I feel the driving in WRC feels closer to my experience at the school than RBR. Or I can get the cars feeling closer to DF than I could with RBR. the timing, sequence and feel of inputs (steering, brake application etc). RBR feels like driving gravel on street tires, cars a bit sluggish to respond and tires lack the initial bite of rally tires into the gravel. RBR tarmac is where it shines more. Both super fun. Play both. The more variety, the better you'd adjust to real life. If you get stuck on one game, you might develop bad habits associated with that game. Driving a variety of things helps you adjust to different real life situations more easily.
This video is so emotional. Watching his first run in his new sim after stopping at the beginning overloaded with how realistic it felt to him was incredible to watch. This inspires me to really race.
I've seen so many TH-camrs Setups - 65inch Triple Screen with Philips Hue Lighting and Stuff but this Setup... its consumerfriendly and your passion is so inspiring. I'm convinced i will get these Vesamounts and the Bezelfreekits as well. Theyre 180€ in Germany, which is insanely expensive, but seeing how much more immersive it is compared to a normal triple screen its worth every penny. Thanks for this absolute Masterclass of a video!
I'm glad you got an upgrade to your rig! Simagic is one of the best Sim racing companies to buy from, as usually their stuff is quite reliable. I have that same shifter and have had no real issues since the day I got it, whereas the HGP H-shifter from Moza that I was using before gave me a ton of mis-shift and calibration issues. I remember when I personally upgraded from a G920 to a Moza R21, and the difference for me was monumental. Felt like going from using a toy to driving a real car. Next, if you haven't already you have got to try VR, maybe borrow a Quest 2/3/3s from a friend or something. Your new PC should easily be able to handle it. Its like a whole other world in sim racing, as when I use VR it makes it feel so much closer to driving in a real car. The added depth perception and being able to look around the interior of your car and at the road in a 3D space really elevates the immersion. Although the lack of good hand tracking support in most sims makes looking at your hands a little awkward.
hot tip, get a track IR and set it up, the feedback you get from the car being able to rotate without your vision (since your POV is now actually tracking your real life head position) is otherworldly, Plus in a real car, you look through corners.
Isn't track IR less realistic because moves what you're seeing based on where your head is facing rather than where you're looking? And he already is looking through corners because he is using triple screens, he literally said so in the video.
@@mark_plays_games-p9c When you use triple screens the side screens view is "skewed" to show perspective, which isn't realistic, so as the car is sideways and you look out the side window/screen/monitor, what you are looking at is a stretched or skewed view, and when the view is stretched/skewed its impossible to use anything for reference. Track IR isn't perfect, but what it does is moves that "skewed" version of the game world as you look around, and keeps your view "in focus" and therefor accurate and reference-able version of the track, in the center of your view, as you look around.
@@mark_plays_games-p9c Tobii eye tracker is probably the better option anyway, since it doesn’t require wearing any reflectors and can track both head movement and eyes.
Just looking through your head cam looks exactly like every other head cam video of an actual rally race. the placement of all your gear was exactly on point. I had trouble comprehending that this was video game footage! Well done sir. I'm extremely jealous.
Great work with your channel. It's nice to see you pushing yourself to do a big project like this while still being true to your family. Never lose that charm.
Congrats on the awesome upgrade! 14:12 - This reminds me of coming from my Logitech G923 to my Moza R5, then another year later to my R9 V2. ROCK ON, BROTHER!
Good choice on going with Sabelt Chassis. I already have the TrakRacer TR 160, but I've been looking at the Sabelt lately because it is just such a clean design. I'm loving this journey man, keep it up.
I love the pov and editing showcasing your fresh experience with everything it's very intriguing seeing someone progressively learning with Sim stuff and comparing it to learning an actual car. Best sim/rally content creator atm
I truly was! And yes, now that I’ve tried DR2 on the rig (which I wanted to try first as it was what I was playing on the original rig), I’ll be branching out into pretty much allllll the other rally titles.
Motion is fun and cool, but haptic feed back via transducers (bass shakers) is better. I'd recommend sim racing studio with some haptic shakers to really give you the immersion you are looking for.
Dude! I’ve followed your MTB channel for years and I recently got into sim racing too, so cool to find your second channel! Amazing setup, look into getting Simagic’s pedal haptics they add so much immersion and give great feedback!
Just got my first DD base (G Pro) and you nailed it re the feeing...its so much easier to recover because of all the detail coming through the wheel. Congrats...maybe I'll see you in one if the dirt 2.0 events!
@@NickBusscher there are no benefits by using a vr atm. VR is not "there" yet. Its also a reason that no semi, or pro irl/esports drivers also dont use it. You simply wont be fast and far from optimised.
@@alexstavik Thanks! It seems like pros are mostly not using it as it's not comfortable to wear for a long time. I'll try to give both a try before buying!
Now get some motion integrated. You can also get belt tighteners to help simulate the pressures you'll see. I'm also with the other comment about vr, I've got triples when I got serious into endurance racing and wearing the headset for 10 hours was uncomfortable, but honestly I reach for the vr headset 9 our of 10 times
I really appreciated the fact that you put the first-person view in the video, something that no other TH-camr does (I would also say thanks to the collaboration with Insta360 that make it possible). Thanks to this, I could really feel the realism even without being in the simulator.
Thanks! Lots more of that to come. I think I've got a pretty cool, updated setup together using the Ace Pro 2, for better low light and resolution. Can't wait to post some vids from what I've been filming.
Congrats! Going from a Logitech to this rig is like going from a base Corolla to a GT3RS. 😊Recommend you get that PC off the floor to not have it just vacuum all the dust off the floor. As for motion, for fun factor, motion is good. Get your friends in it and see their reactions. For training, motion can just confuse the body as it cannot sustain Gs or deal with changing G loads like a decreasing radius turn or double apex situations. It might make you more tired than without. Haptics is awesome though..adding a couple more bass shakers. And for content creation, motion can be a hindrance more than help.
I've been waiting for this video since the very first sim racing/rally video dropped and boy am I excited to watch it... this calls for ice cream and popcorn
i didnt see you mention it and i dont know how it would be for rally but when i got my buttkicker system setup in it was a game changer when it came to laptimes and immersion.
I just retired my g25 Logitech after 20 years of use. Still worked great. Just bought a MOZA direct drive wheel setup. Just waiting on other accessories. Can't wait to set it up. I'll probably feel like you did in this video on my first drive 😂. Congrats on your new setup!
Ryan, congratulations on reaching the next level in pursuing your dream. This is an amazing-looking setup! I'm really looking forward to seeing your progress. Are you planning to use Richards Burns rally as a training ground as well? Keep it up!
Great series, stumbled on it after getting a used Logitech g29 just this last weekend and didn’t expect to see the Loam Ranger giving g29 upgrade tips! You should try VR see how it compares to the 3 monitor setup, does it give you more of a feeling of depth? I have Gran Turismo on PS5 with the PSVR2 with the g29 and I can’t begin to describe how much better it is in VR, I find it so much easier to judge corners. The weight of a headset will only be like having a helmet on too. Can’t wait to see more of these videos. I can see this hobby adding to my already expensive Mountain biking hobby… it starts off as, I will get a cheap wheel and see if I like it, the next thing you know it’s “I need a better wheel”, then “I need a better PC”, then “I need a better seating rig”, hobbies are soooo expensive. Best of luck with rallying.
Of course it's worth it! I've done it 3 times over haha. From dd+ to simagic ultimate to asetek invicta and still have them all. I do need a new rig soon tbh lol..
I don’t know if you already have one of these but I 100% recommended buying it. It’s called a buttkiker, it vibrates the seat so that you can feel the engine and stuff. You should get it
Congrats eh! It's been a year now and I've been looking to make the jump from a G923 (my first wheel) to a G Pro set up. Your reaction is making this dirt 2.0 fan want to break out the credit card. Thx
You practiced properly on the G29 if you could just automatically adjust like this. Im 100% convinced that if you truly practice the correct way on a lower end wheel, youll be so much more "at home" when you get a really high end wheel. I got my g29 a year ago, and then the t300 3 months after. All i ever did was trying to learn proper racing technique. In doing so, the t300 felt like a super high end wheel, when i first upgraded. Then i kept practicing on that, until i came to the point where i felt that i was outperforming my wheel. So two days ago, my Simagic Alpha arrived, and everything just felt RIGHT, despite everyone saying it takes a while to adjust. The added bonus - i went from enjoying the concept of improving, to just straight up enjoying driving a car around a track. I was really missing that.
I had the same instructor at DirtFish. He was a cool guy and we talked about video games the whole time. It was a nice bonus that Twin Peaks was filmed out there!
This is such an insane upgrade and it honestly feels like I'm watching a real POV of a Rally, can't imagine that feeling i really want a sim rig like that :D Oh Congratulations on the new addition, I'll follow along and i actually watched your upgrade video for the Logitech Setup
Holy smokes. This looks more expensive than my car. Did anyone calculate the sum of this nice setup? Asking for a friend... Congrats on this rig and good luck on reaching your goal.
First of all I think that you should try Iracing. Sweet rig by the way I just got my first Aluminum rig. Also you should get buttkickers, maybe just start with one or you could go full blown 4 corners kit. But they add so much immersion ands way cheaper than motion.
You kept saying the best sim rig it can possibly be but there are big hydraulic systems that just don't compete to what you can fit and build at home, so id say its the best you can get at home
This is all very new to me, the last time I even played a racing SIM was Grand Turismo 5... What is the things covering the bezels where each monitor meets up?
Nice things dont make you faster over one lap.... but they matter. A good seat makes it so much nicer to sit for a long time (good for your back). A good brake will make you more consistent. A good wheel will makes you more smooth. And if you want a really nice seat then do what I did and buy a used car seat and adapt the holes to your rig. I have a Audi A6 driver seat and I can sit for 4-6 hours without any problems (and it cost me 250 dollars from a accident car)
BRO! Thats what I knew you from! I am a big mountain biker and snowboarder here in colorado and have seen your videos for mtb. I started getting more into the sim drifting last year. Wish I could get more buddies into this other ridiculous hobby lol
Hey Ryan have you or could you list all the components you used to build your latest sim rig? I’m about to look at building my own and a picking list would be great, thanks Simon
Hi loved the video, you talked about a motion sim at the end but if you want more immersion for around 300-400 Canadian Dollars there is a device called a butt kicker. Its used a lot in sim racing and its basically a bass shaker so it emulates vibrations like the engine or shifting. There are also cheaper options, butt kicker is like the apple of bass shakers because of its user friendly platform (more plug and play then other options) . I've heard many people say it increased the immersion a lot, you should check it out! Love the content keep it up!
Get a Dayton Audio BST-1, strap it under your seat get a Nobsound Mini Amp and some speaker wire and you're set for less than 100 dollars. I don't know if it's comparable to a buttkicker but it's good. There are a lot of youtube videos on how to do it. I use it for engine vibration, a subtle bump when I shift and road vibration/bumps (also subtle) from the suspension. Try not to overdo it. SimHub is relatively easy to use, but it takes some tweaking to get what you want. If I have it off I feel like I'm floating over the road and it feels like something is missing. So it's definitely great for immersion.
I think you definitely should get a bass shaker. The dirt rally telemetry isn't the greatest, but I think jump, engine vibration and road vibration makes it feel a lot less like you're floating on the road.
Hey, do you have a complete build list somewhere? I didn’t realize you were the same guy from the mountain bike channel at first. It’s been a while, but I used to watch all those videos also.
I have a few video's on my channel if you wish to see a 3dof motion rig in action on DR 2.0 and others, the problem with motion is once you've tried it, if you have a rig and it doesn't have motion, it feels lifeless and vague, motion does change the game, coupled with VR and wind simulator's etc you do feel you're in the matrix lol....
Honestly, I needed channel like this. My dream is to be a rally driver some day, but there's probably no good way to see how all this works for ameteurs. So, great idea and you totally have my support when it comes to your career!
The obvious next step to me, rather than the triple screen, is VR, since you get the depth cues of a fully 3d world, rather than the abstraction of a 2d flat image. Having to force your brain to judge how far pixels are, instead of intuitively knowing it with your eyeballs in VR, makes a huge difference. I mean, it's not too late, just plug in a Quest 3 (small additional expense at this point), you're golden.
I miss rally so bad. I had a full on rig at the beginning of the year. Due to some emergencies i had to sell everything i had. I recently just built another rig but dont have all the things i need to do rally. Just GT3 and Formula. I love that i have a rig again and i can sim race, but I sill feel like something is missing, and i know that something is rally.
When the sim costs more than his actual rally car 😂. In all seriousness, this is a bit intimidating for a new sim racer. I don’t know if I’d ever be ready to commit to a high end rig. In terms of cost and commitment…
Thanks! As soon as we get the new seat and steering wheel put in, and everything is fitted properly in the real car (which is happening this week), I’ll be taking all the measurements and sharing them in a video. So they’ll be available sooner than later!
Congrats on the setup man! Just curious, do you have any previous experience with performance cars IRL? Or is your rally car your first firebreather? Glad you're having fun man, enjoy and stay safe!
That rig looks stellar. The color of this Sabelt rig is amazing. What is the name of the keyboard you are using, please? You got a very good sponsor - Simagic is killing it lately with their simracing gear. Everything is very good and yet still clever price. be careful with the motion rig - research more about it. Its not as 'good' as you'd think. It can actually be worst if wrong one is used or settings are not good.
I went with Simagic too, I had to get a rig to support my weight so i went with an alpine TRX (held my 500lbs self until I got down to 350lbs) What kinda times are you posting??
I really enjoyed your video. Interesting you want to built a realistic rally simulator. Since I have used many different types of motion simulators, I want to tell you something for your information. For circuit racers who value delicate braking, I mainly recommend affordable 'seat-movers' which produce direct feeling from less movements. However, most rally gamers seem to like the suspension movements. For those people, I recommend 4-axis cylinder(?) type products such as D-BOX. Above all, you should limit the range of movements that interfere with driving, whatever you choose. Please note that the word 'realistic' doesn't stand for quantitative and numerical values. It's not realistic for the simulator to move 1 inch when the car moves 1 inch. What 'realistic' is about how you feel in the car while the car itself moves 1 inch. There are many things between car and you like suspension and seat etc. And human perception is not objective. When multiple forces applied on your body at the same time, humans tend to focus only on stronger certain forces. So what realistic in the motion sims is subjective feelings referred to human perception, not numbers. So, please don't be fooled by how much range of motion it has. You won't use all that range. Of course, a larger pitch angle will allow you to feel the slope, but you will have to reconsider your entire rig including monitor stand. And also, too much range of movements produce too much rebound movements which is not intended. Obviously not realistic. I'm not a fan of yaw devices that express traction loss by sliding the rear. they are pretty fun for rally and drift drivers. Only for fun, not for realistic driving information. Rear-sliding devices can make you confused quite often. Anyway, nice video! Keep it up! I hope to see the video about your thoughts on motion sims someday.
one tip when you are actually training is practice wearing your helmet and fire safe race gloves it changes the feel of everything when your in the actual car and a good way to prep :)
People are happy with lower spec thrustmaster setups UNTIL they try a highend setup like this and realise the fidelity and feeling every tiny bit of feedback through a 23nm base. You will continue to love the Alpha Ultimate base, I know I love my two.
Unless Dirt Rally 2 has added proper angled triple monitor support recently, you are going to have significant distortion on the left and right screens, with the monitors angled that far. The only way triples work atm, is having them all in a line. As far as I'm aware, there are no triple monitor mounts that allow easy pivoting of the side screens from 0 degrees to 45/60 degrees. It's been on my bucket list to make for a while, but to truly do it properly, they need to pivot right on the absolute edge of the front of the bezels between the monitors. I'll get around to it one day, when I have the money, in my usual fashion of hacking things together that work, that will never make it to the market, lol.
Haha fair enough. The amount of distortion I'm getting has been pretty reasonable, especially considering they are mainly for giving a sense of speed in my periphery. When going through hairpins and looking through the side window, it's a little wonky looking, but I'll take it over not having triples cover my full vision.
What do you think is the biggest change? Switching to the new rig with all the new components is obviously a big step overall, but what stands out the most? Is it the triple monitor setup, the wheelbase, the wheel, the pedals, the shifter or perhaps the seating position?
Hmm that’s a good question. For in-game performance, I’d have to say it’s the wheelbase. I went back to the Logitech setup the other day, and I’m getting almost zero information, in comparison. I can tell what’s going on, grip-wise (and what’s about to happen) much more easily with the DD wheel. Especially one with so much headroom. Having the right sized monitor at the right distance is a close second. Hope that helps!
@@RyansRoadToRally Yes, thats very interesting. I use a fanatec csl dd 8nm and I am quiet happy with it. I wonder if such high torque values are necessary for rally driving? But of course I would like to feel the contrast to a simagic wheelbase ;). Unfortunately, I don't have space for a triple monitor system, but I think I got the best out of it and driving is a lot of fun! I hope you have a great time with this cool new rig!
Hey man, loving the series so far but if you want to take the simulator to the next level you have to try VR. It's a complete game changer and you will not get the same training effectiveness from triple screens. If your budget can stretch I'd recommend looking into a bigscreen beyond, otherwise a quest 3 achieves close to the same level of performance at a lower cost.
Hey I saw the thread about RBR already but from my experience here are the largest differences between DR2: RBR weight transfer is way more realistic RBR handbrake is also a lot more realistic Graphically DR2 is still the most realistic looking sim on the market Tarmac on DR2 is absolutely horrible RBR is way better at testing car setups If you're trying to practice for real life RBR is definitely the go to, wrc drivers use it, it has a way steeper learning curve but translates into real life a lot more realistically
So which sim should I try on the rig next?
RBR. Dirt 2.0 teaches you to drive way over the limit and abuse the physics and cut corners in ways that would kill you in real life. There is a reason real rally drivers train with RBR.
EA WRC and RBR rsf version.
Both are good. Both have their quirks too.
RBR is probably more slippery than real life and cars a bit sluggish to respond. While WRC is modeled more toward the crazy handling of Rally1 cars but this can be tuned down with setup if you want it feeling like lower spec cars.
Im an ex Dirtfish student and for me, on gravel, I feel the driving in WRC feels closer to my experience at the school than RBR. Or I can get the cars feeling closer to DF than I could with RBR. the timing, sequence and feel of inputs (steering, brake application etc). RBR feels like driving gravel on street tires, cars a bit sluggish to respond and tires lack the initial bite of rally tires into the gravel.
RBR tarmac is where it shines more.
Both super fun. Play both. The more variety, the better you'd adjust to real life. If you get stuck on one game, you might develop bad habits associated with that game. Driving a variety of things helps you adjust to different real life situations more easily.
RBR is a humbling experience
Missing out on motion
@@24fredscott Not for long 😏
🔥🔥 AMAZING! Was an absolute pleasure to collab with you on this project!
I’m still in awe of that PC. You guys build some serious machines 🫡
we should do a collab too!!??!!
@@EctorPlays thats not how to get stuff to review
This video is so emotional. Watching his first run in his new sim after stopping at the beginning overloaded with how realistic it felt to him was incredible to watch. This inspires me to really race.
I've seen so many TH-camrs Setups - 65inch Triple Screen with Philips Hue Lighting and Stuff but this Setup... its consumerfriendly and your passion is so inspiring. I'm convinced i will get these Vesamounts and the Bezelfreekits as well. Theyre 180€ in Germany, which is insanely expensive, but seeing how much more immersive it is compared to a normal triple screen its worth every penny. Thanks for this absolute Masterclass of a video!
I'm glad you got an upgrade to your rig! Simagic is one of the best Sim racing companies to buy from, as usually their stuff is quite reliable. I have that same shifter and have had no real issues since the day I got it, whereas the HGP H-shifter from Moza that I was using before gave me a ton of mis-shift and calibration issues.
I remember when I personally upgraded from a G920 to a Moza R21, and the difference for me was monumental. Felt like going from using a toy to driving a real car.
Next, if you haven't already you have got to try VR, maybe borrow a Quest 2/3/3s from a friend or something. Your new PC should easily be able to handle it.
Its like a whole other world in sim racing, as when I use VR it makes it feel so much closer to driving in a real car.
The added depth perception and being able to look around the interior of your car and at the road in a 3D space really elevates the immersion. Although the lack of good hand tracking support in most sims makes looking at your hands a little awkward.
That first few seconds of the video got me hooked. You've got to seriously make a short film with that editing style PLEASE
hot tip, get a track IR and set it up, the feedback you get from the car being able to rotate without your vision (since your POV is now actually tracking your real life head position) is otherworldly, Plus in a real car, you look through corners.
Isn't track IR less realistic because moves what you're seeing based on where your head is facing rather than where you're looking? And he already is looking through corners because he is using triple screens, he literally said so in the video.
@@mark_plays_games-p9c When you use triple screens the side screens view is "skewed" to show perspective, which isn't realistic, so as the car is sideways and you look out the side window/screen/monitor, what you are looking at is a stretched or skewed view, and when the view is stretched/skewed its impossible to use anything for reference. Track IR isn't perfect, but what it does is moves that "skewed" version of the game world as you look around, and keeps your view "in focus" and therefor accurate and reference-able version of the track, in the center of your view, as you look around.
@@mark_plays_games-p9c Tobii eye tracker is probably the better option anyway, since it doesn’t require wearing any reflectors and can track both head movement and eyes.
Just looking through your head cam looks exactly like every other head cam video of an actual rally race. the placement of all your gear was exactly on point. I had trouble comprehending that this was video game footage! Well done sir. I'm extremely jealous.
Great work with your channel. It's nice to see you pushing yourself to do a big project like this while still being true to your family. Never lose that charm.
Congrats on the awesome upgrade! 14:12 - This reminds me of coming from my Logitech G923 to my Moza R5, then another year later to my R9 V2. ROCK ON, BROTHER!
Good choice on going with Sabelt Chassis. I already have the TrakRacer TR 160, but I've been looking at the Sabelt lately because it is just such a clean design. I'm loving this journey man, keep it up.
I don't have experiences with other brands, but I agree, the Sabelt gear is incredibly high quality and well thought-out.
hey you should try richard burns rally
Oooh yess hes right
It’s on the list!
Absolutely RBR!!!! 🤘🏼
My thoughts when I saw the video haha
@@RyansRoadToRally if your goal is to become a rally driver by practicing on a sim, you're wasting your time on dirt rally
I love the pov and editing showcasing your fresh experience with everything it's very intriguing seeing someone progressively learning with Sim stuff and comparing it to learning an actual car. Best sim/rally content creator atm
Congrats on the new rig. It's lovely how you seem to be blown away!
Are you planning on trying other sims, than Dirt 2, as well?
I truly was! And yes, now that I’ve tried DR2 on the rig (which I wanted to try first as it was what I was playing on the original rig), I’ll be branching out into pretty much allllll the other rally titles.
This channel is awesome! I love watching your videos on your journey to being an actual rally racer.
Motion is fun and cool, but haptic feed back via transducers (bass shakers) is better. I'd recommend sim racing studio with some haptic shakers to really give you the immersion you are looking for.
Not a big rally fan but man that was so cool to watch!
Mint set up and just an absolute dream of a rig. So glad i found this channel.. Very much looking forward to seeing more of this content!
Dude! I’ve followed your MTB channel for years and I recently got into sim racing too, so cool to find your second channel! Amazing setup, look into getting Simagic’s pedal haptics they add so much immersion and give great feedback!
Hey Ryan, congrats man ! Keep pushing!
"we're just gonna colin mcrae this" 🤣 best quote ever
Just got my first DD base (G Pro) and you nailed it re the feeing...its so much easier to recover because of all the detail coming through the wheel. Congrats...maybe I'll see you in one if the dirt 2.0 events!
Be curious to see you try VR if you haven’t yet. Triple screens seemed fun for a while but I barely use them anymore.
Which headset are you using?
for the love of god dont use vr.
@@alexstavik Lol, why not?
@@NickBusscher there are no benefits by using a vr atm. VR is not "there" yet. Its also a reason that no semi, or pro irl/esports drivers also dont use it. You simply wont be fast and far from optimised.
@@alexstavik Thanks! It seems like pros are mostly not using it as it's not comfortable to wear for a long time. I'll try to give both a try before buying!
Dude!! This makes me want to do this!! Awesome and well done.
What monitors/tvs are those?
Now get some motion integrated. You can also get belt tighteners to help simulate the pressures you'll see.
I'm also with the other comment about vr, I've got triples when I got serious into endurance racing and wearing the headset for 10 hours was uncomfortable, but honestly I reach for the vr headset 9 our of 10 times
I really appreciated the fact that you put the first-person view in the video, something that no other TH-camr does (I would also say thanks to the collaboration with Insta360 that make it possible). Thanks to this, I could really feel the realism even without being in the simulator.
Thanks! Lots more of that to come. I think I've got a pretty cool, updated setup together using the Ace Pro 2, for better low light and resolution. Can't wait to post some vids from what I've been filming.
Congrats! Going from a Logitech to this rig is like going from a base Corolla to a GT3RS.
😊Recommend you get that PC off the floor to not have it just vacuum all the dust off the floor.
As for motion, for fun factor, motion is good. Get your friends in it and see their reactions. For training, motion can just confuse the body as it cannot sustain Gs or deal with changing G loads like a decreasing radius turn or double apex situations. It might make you more tired than without. Haptics is awesome though..adding a couple more bass shakers. And for content creation, motion can be a hindrance more than help.
That was sick! You should totally do more of this onboard pov style. Maybe a daily or a weekly event which you record and do a live com. over?
I've been waiting for this video since the very first sim racing/rally video dropped and boy am I excited to watch it... this calls for ice cream and popcorn
Hey Ryan, I basically copied your Logitech setup and it’s been fantastic so far. Good to see you get deeper into things!
Nice! That logi setup is so much fun.
i didnt see you mention it and i dont know how it would be for rally but when i got my buttkicker system setup in it was a game changer when it came to laptimes and immersion.
I just retired my g25 Logitech after 20 years of use. Still worked great. Just bought a MOZA direct drive wheel setup. Just waiting on other accessories. Can't wait to set it up. I'll probably feel like you did in this video on my first drive 😂. Congrats on your new setup!
What a great video with a setup I'd want to own and a cool thing you have going on here with the irl rally thing
Ryan, congratulations on reaching the next level in pursuing your dream. This is an amazing-looking setup! I'm really looking forward to seeing your progress. Are you planning to use Richards Burns rally as a training ground as well? Keep it up!
Great series, stumbled on it after getting a used Logitech g29 just this last weekend and didn’t expect to see the Loam Ranger giving g29 upgrade tips! You should try VR see how it compares to the 3 monitor setup, does it give you more of a feeling of depth? I have Gran Turismo on PS5 with the PSVR2 with the g29 and I can’t begin to describe how much better it is in VR, I find it so much easier to judge corners. The weight of a headset will only be like having a helmet on too. Can’t wait to see more of these videos. I can see this hobby adding to my already expensive Mountain biking hobby… it starts off as, I will get a cheap wheel and see if I like it, the next thing you know it’s “I need a better wheel”, then “I need a better PC”, then “I need a better seating rig”, hobbies are soooo expensive. Best of luck with rallying.
Haha surprise! I’ve only heard amazing things about GT7 with the PSVR2. Would love to try it out at some point.
I'm high on your second-hand glee. Huge congrats on the rig.
Of course it's worth it! I've done it 3 times over haha. From dd+ to simagic ultimate to asetek invicta and still have them all. I do need a new rig soon tbh lol..
This is the best pov sim driving I’ve seen on TH-cam to date
Thanks! I can't wait to get things properly dialled in.
Have you considered putting the handbrake on the inside and h pattern on the outside? I have the same Simagic setup but the handbrake is closest to me
I don’t know if you already have one of these but I 100% recommended buying it. It’s called a buttkiker, it vibrates the seat so that you can feel the engine and stuff. You should get it
I’ve been looking into them! Seems like it would be a great addition.
Congrats eh! It's been a year now and I've been looking to make the jump from a G923 (my first wheel) to a G Pro set up. Your reaction is making this dirt 2.0 fan want to break out the credit card. Thx
You practiced properly on the G29 if you could just automatically adjust like this. Im 100% convinced that if you truly practice the correct way on a lower end wheel, youll be so much more "at home" when you get a really high end wheel. I got my g29 a year ago, and then the t300 3 months after. All i ever did was trying to learn proper racing technique. In doing so, the t300 felt like a super high end wheel, when i first upgraded. Then i kept practicing on that, until i came to the point where i felt that i was outperforming my wheel. So two days ago, my Simagic Alpha arrived, and everything just felt RIGHT, despite everyone saying it takes a while to adjust.
The added bonus - i went from enjoying the concept of improving, to just straight up enjoying driving a car around a track. I was really missing that.
this is insane! On the old setup i could relate to the speed in it but now this seems like a step up haha
I had the same instructor at DirtFish. He was a cool guy and we talked about video games the whole time. It was a nice bonus that Twin Peaks was filmed out there!
Jack is awesome!
Congrats on the upgraded system. You do much mechanic stuff with your car or you letting the shop do most of the work?
This is such an insane upgrade and it honestly feels like I'm watching a real POV of a Rally, can't imagine that feeling i really want a sim rig like that :D
Oh Congratulations on the new addition, I'll follow along and i actually watched your upgrade video for the Logitech Setup
I personaly race with vr and i find it sooo much better than with monitors because the depth you should try that too!
Holy smokes. This looks more expensive than my car. Did anyone calculate the sum of this nice setup? Asking for a friend...
Congrats on this rig and good luck on reaching your goal.
I am genuinely looking forward to seeing your adventure prosper
Absolutely goated sim rig!
try to get a vr set just to test it out... thaths next level
You should try it in Vr mate, can make you feel sick at first but you build a tolerance to it
First of all I think that you should try Iracing. Sweet rig by the way I just got my first Aluminum rig. Also you should get buttkickers, maybe just start with one or you could go full blown 4 corners kit. But they add so much immersion ands way cheaper than motion.
You kept saying the best sim rig it can possibly be but there are big hydraulic systems that just don't compete to what you can fit and build at home, so id say its the best you can get at home
I love seeing people’s reactions to using direct drive for the first time. Wish I would have recorded mine. Good luck on journey
This is all very new to me, the last time I even played a racing SIM was Grand Turismo 5... What is the things covering the bezels where each monitor meets up?
Nice things dont make you faster over one lap.... but they matter. A good seat makes it so much nicer to sit for a long time (good for your back). A good brake will make you more consistent. A good wheel will makes you more smooth. And if you want a really nice seat then do what I did and buy a used car seat and adapt the holes to your rig. I have a Audi A6 driver seat and I can sit for 4-6 hours without any problems (and it cost me 250 dollars from a accident car)
BRO! Thats what I knew you from! I am a big mountain biker and snowboarder here in colorado and have seen your videos for mtb. I started getting more into the sim drifting last year. Wish I could get more buddies into this other ridiculous hobby lol
Love your setup :)
Hey Ryan have you or could you list all the components you used to build your latest sim rig? I’m about to look at building my own and a picking list would be great, thanks Simon
Love the channel. Keep it up and good luck.
Next step, some dayton audio bst-300ex bass shakers, an amp and Simhub to get tactile feedback.
Great Content! Really enjoying the series. If you want to really blow your mind you should try it in VR. I play dirt 2 in vr and its Amazing.
What are those monitor Vesa mounts ?
Super clean rig btw i hope you enjoy it !
Beam ng has got some good rally if you ever want to try that 👍
Hi loved the video, you talked about a motion sim at the end but if you want more immersion for around 300-400 Canadian Dollars there is a device called a butt kicker. Its used a lot in sim racing and its basically a bass shaker so it emulates vibrations like the engine or shifting. There are also cheaper options, butt kicker is like the apple of bass shakers because of its user friendly platform (more plug and play then other options) . I've heard many people say it increased the immersion a lot, you should check it out! Love the content keep it up!
Get a Dayton Audio BST-1, strap it under your seat get a Nobsound Mini Amp and some speaker wire and you're set for less than 100 dollars. I don't know if it's comparable to a buttkicker but it's good. There are a lot of youtube videos on how to do it.
I use it for engine vibration, a subtle bump when I shift and road vibration/bumps (also subtle) from the suspension. Try not to overdo it. SimHub is relatively easy to use, but it takes some tweaking to get what you want. If I have it off I feel like I'm floating over the road and it feels like something is missing. So it's definitely great for immersion.
I think you definitely should get a bass shaker. The dirt rally telemetry isn't the greatest, but I think jump, engine vibration and road vibration makes it feel a lot less like you're floating on the road.
Sounds like a good call!
the rig i only can dream of :D
17:10 I thought the main camera was the game and not his camera on his head I just noticed that wow 17:10
Hey, do you have a complete build list somewhere? I didn’t realize you were the same guy from the mountain bike channel at first. It’s been a while, but I used to watch all those videos also.
I have a few video's on my channel if you wish to see a 3dof motion rig in action on DR 2.0 and others, the problem with motion is once you've tried it, if you have a rig and it doesn't have motion, it feels lifeless and vague, motion does change the game, coupled with VR and wind simulator's etc you do feel you're in the matrix lol....
No richard burns rally?
I just wanted to start with a direct comparison with the game I’ve been playing on the PlayStation. I’ll be trying em all!
Honestly, I needed channel like this. My dream is to be a rally driver some day, but there's probably no good way to see how all this works for ameteurs. So, great idea and you totally have my support when it comes to your career!
I had the same thought as you. "How the heck do I actually get into this sport?" It's time to find out! Thanks for following along.
The obvious next step to me, rather than the triple screen, is VR, since you get the depth cues of a fully 3d world, rather than the abstraction of a 2d flat image. Having to force your brain to judge how far pixels are, instead of intuitively knowing it with your eyeballs in VR, makes a huge difference. I mean, it's not too late, just plug in a Quest 3 (small additional expense at this point), you're golden.
I 100% want to try VR. Looking forward to giving it a go!
I miss rally so bad. I had a full on rig at the beginning of the year. Due to some emergencies i had to sell everything i had. I recently just built another rig but dont have all the things i need to do rally. Just GT3 and Formula. I love that i have a rig again and i can sim race, but I sill feel like something is missing, and i know that something is rally.
It makes me happy to see people happy. Very nice setup and thx for showing me your emotions with this crazy setup. Good Video.
Greetings from Germany.
When the sim costs more than his actual rally car 😂. In all seriousness, this is a bit intimidating for a new sim racer. I don’t know if I’d ever be ready to commit to a high end rig. In terms of cost and commitment…
Great video as always, keep them coming!
Not sure if I missed anything but can you provide the measurements of the real car you mentioned? Thank you!
Thanks! As soon as we get the new seat and steering wheel put in, and everything is fitted properly in the real car (which is happening this week), I’ll be taking all the measurements and sharing them in a video. So they’ll be available sooner than later!
@ thank you so much, as a car and filmmaking enthusiast I’m really loving this journey and the way you are documenting it!
Congrats on the setup man! Just curious, do you have any previous experience with performance cars IRL? Or is your rally car your first firebreather? Glad you're having fun man, enjoy and stay safe!
I’ve owned some fun daily drivers before (old Audi’s), but the Impreza is my first proper performance car.
PLEASE DO more videos of this pov on the sim i love it
Definitely! I’ve got a plan to make the POV footage on this channel look pretty awesome. Fingers crossed it actually works haha.
That rig looks stellar. The color of this Sabelt rig is amazing. What is the name of the keyboard you are using, please?
You got a very good sponsor - Simagic is killing it lately with their simracing gear. Everything is very good and yet still clever price.
be careful with the motion rig - research more about it. Its not as 'good' as you'd think. It can actually be worst if wrong one is used or settings are not good.
I've been waiting for this one!
I love this guy's videos
epic dream set up, hopefully mine will be that sick someday!
btw great driving!
I went with Simagic too, I had to get a rig to support my weight so i went with an alpine TRX (held my 500lbs self until I got down to 350lbs) What kinda times are you posting??
I really enjoyed your video. Interesting you want to built a realistic rally simulator.
Since I have used many different types of motion simulators, I want to tell you something for your information. For circuit racers who value delicate braking, I mainly recommend affordable 'seat-movers' which produce direct feeling from less movements. However, most rally gamers seem to like the suspension movements. For those people, I recommend 4-axis cylinder(?) type products such as D-BOX. Above all, you should limit the range of movements that interfere with driving, whatever you choose.
Please note that the word 'realistic' doesn't stand for quantitative and numerical values. It's not realistic for the simulator to move 1 inch when the car moves 1 inch. What 'realistic' is about how you feel in the car while the car itself moves 1 inch. There are many things between car and you like suspension and seat etc. And human perception is not objective. When multiple forces applied on your body at the same time, humans tend to focus only on stronger certain forces. So what realistic in the motion sims is subjective feelings referred to human perception, not numbers.
So, please don't be fooled by how much range of motion it has. You won't use all that range. Of course, a larger pitch angle will allow you to feel the slope, but you will have to reconsider your entire rig including monitor stand. And also, too much range of movements produce too much rebound movements which is not intended. Obviously not realistic.
I'm not a fan of yaw devices that express traction loss by sliding the rear. they are pretty fun for rally and drift drivers. Only for fun, not for realistic driving information. Rear-sliding devices can make you confused quite often.
Anyway, nice video! Keep it up! I hope to see the video about your thoughts on motion sims someday.
one tip when you are actually training is practice wearing your helmet and fire safe race gloves it changes the feel of everything when your in the actual car and a good way to prep :)
People are happy with lower spec thrustmaster setups UNTIL they try a highend setup like this and realise the fidelity and feeling every tiny bit of feedback through a 23nm base. You will continue to love the Alpha Ultimate base, I know I love my two.
Unless Dirt Rally 2 has added proper angled triple monitor support recently, you are going to have significant distortion on the left and right screens, with the monitors angled that far.
The only way triples work atm, is having them all in a line.
As far as I'm aware, there are no triple monitor mounts that allow easy pivoting of the side screens from 0 degrees to 45/60 degrees.
It's been on my bucket list to make for a while, but to truly do it properly, they need to pivot right on the absolute edge of the front of the bezels between the monitors.
I'll get around to it one day, when I have the money, in my usual fashion of hacking things together that work, that will never make it to the market, lol.
Haha fair enough. The amount of distortion I'm getting has been pretty reasonable, especially considering they are mainly for giving a sense of speed in my periphery. When going through hairpins and looking through the side window, it's a little wonky looking, but I'll take it over not having triples cover my full vision.
Wowzer! Absolutely love that set up. What's it cost as is?
How were you able to mount the power strip to the side? I am stuck on this issue and don’t know how to.
Shayne from Rocky Sim Racing made those brackets. Reach out to him and I’m sure he can point you in the right direction. 👍
What do you think is the biggest change? Switching to the new rig with all the new components is obviously a big step overall, but what stands out the most? Is it the triple monitor setup, the wheelbase, the wheel, the pedals, the shifter or perhaps the seating position?
Hmm that’s a good question. For in-game performance, I’d have to say it’s the wheelbase. I went back to the Logitech setup the other day, and I’m getting almost zero information, in comparison. I can tell what’s going on, grip-wise (and what’s about to happen) much more easily with the DD wheel. Especially one with so much headroom. Having the right sized monitor at the right distance is a close second. Hope that helps!
@@RyansRoadToRally Yes, thats very interesting. I use a fanatec csl dd 8nm and I am quiet happy with it. I wonder if such high torque values are necessary for rally driving? But of course I would like to feel the contrast to a simagic wheelbase ;). Unfortunately, I don't have space for a triple monitor system, but I think I got the best out of it and driving is a lot of fun! I hope you have a great time with this cool new rig!
Hey man, loving the series so far but if you want to take the simulator to the next level you have to try VR. It's a complete game changer and you will not get the same training effectiveness from triple screens. If your budget can stretch I'd recommend looking into a bigscreen beyond, otherwise a quest 3 achieves close to the same level of performance at a lower cost.
I absolutely want to try VR, especially for the depth perception part of the equation.
insane timing I just got a simagic alpha yesterday
Great setup, great video!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I'd suggest RBR and some of the brutal Finnish stages.If Dirt Rally puts a smile on your face, RBR will make you scream :)
speed up the speed up in the speed up sentence nice touch
PS. I dont mind practicing on a left hand drive car as i drive both left and right
So whats the price tag on this bad boy? (USD)?
Be somewhere around the $15-20k mark
@@cpw80 no way
Hey I saw the thread about RBR already but from my experience here are the largest differences between DR2:
RBR weight transfer is way more realistic
RBR handbrake is also a lot more realistic
Graphically DR2 is still the most realistic looking sim on the market
Tarmac on DR2 is absolutely horrible
RBR is way better at testing car setups
If you're trying to practice for real life RBR is definitely the go to, wrc drivers use it, it has a way steeper learning curve but translates into real life a lot more realistically