I still remember the official strategy guide for Brawl, which gave each character a rating. In the guide, Metaknight was listed as essentially a mid tier, maybe upper mid tier. Who did the guide think was the best character in the game? Captain Falcon (who is currently considered fifth worst).
I found my copy the other day. They rated him a 6 lmao. I think Olimar got a 5 or something. ICs a 6. Pretty funny. And they said Fox's laser had hitlag in melee and "now doesn't stun" in brawl. Lmao
Apparently, the reason for snake's crazy hit boxes and weight was because the character was bigger in development, but then, in the last minute they deemed that it was ridiculous visually so they shrunk him, but he kept all of his properties for moves and weight :o
I started on 3ds and when i went to a friends house he had brawl, and i didnt like how slow it was. Actually like brawl more now as a competitive player than i did as a 9 year old
Dash attack cancelled up smash implies you are cancelling an up smash with a dash attack when in reality it is the other way around. "Dash attack cancelled" functions as an adjective describing "up smash," which basically says that an up smash is being cancelled by a dash attack.
@@zvorakfan2023 it’s not “dash attack cancelled up smash” though. It’s “dash attack CANCEL up smash, as in a dash attack cancel into an up smash, not dash attack cancelling up smash.
I remember being young playing brawl casually / “competitively” with my friend circle, but none of us knew anything about the competitive smash scene. And my one friend picked Meta Knight. And I used to freak out at how broken he was, but my friend called me a hater and argued constantly. None of my other friends seemed to believe it either, even though we’d get shredded constantly. More than 10 years later I discovered this video and had a good laugh.
I think the reason why most recoveries were bat shit broken like flying to the stage was because they designed the character's moves for subspace emissary but didn't realize it would break regular play.
-best frame data -best recovery -disjointed attacks And there’s a song in this game called “Meta Knight’s Revenge” Sakurai wanted this to happen I bet, to get revenge for the Melee Kirby situation
honestly, Brawl Meta Knight is basically canon, like, they just took the canon character and didn't nerf him to match the equalized powerlevel of the game, lmao
@@technoturnovers7072 Makes sense when literally the same year that Brawl came out, there was Super Star Ultra with the mode where Meta Knight tears through Kirby Super Star and summons the strongest warrior the galaxy had ever seen just to have a cool fight to prove how strong he was... and he won. (I know it wasn't canon, but still!)
You know what else was a good party game? SSB64, Melee, and Project M. Seriously, I don't get this need some people seem to have where they try so hard to excuse this abomination of a game when there are Smash games that already do everything Brawl does except 10x better. ESPECIALLY Project M.
The devs had no idea the monster they were creating, literally, apparently they thought MK was a “bad” character, yeah, the devs actually thought the most broken character in smash history was not “good”...let that sink on your mind for a moment
Love Heeew's "____ is Broken" videos! I'm glad to see you reacting to them, especially with hindsight of how broken some things were. If I had $100 in eshop funds, I think it would mostly go to different indie games on the Switch.
There needs to be a smash fan game where all the most powerful characters from each game go against eachother with the mechanics from their home game, meta knight with tripping, fox with wavedashing, pikachu with 64’s hitstun lmao, and bayo with… bayo.
I really wish there was a mod where you can put Melee fox, Brawl MK and Sm4sh Bayo into Ultimate. With the same mechanics you described. Hope we get to see that some day!
My first Smash exp! I remember DESTROYING my family and friends with MetaKnight, completely ignorant to the meta. Just a wee kid who liked playing as him. This is hilarious. 🤣
Here a few things about brawl and Meta Knight : - The main reason people played or pick up Meta Knight was because of ICs - ICs countered/neutralize literally the entire cast cuz you only need one grab and it’s chain grab and it lead to stupid stall battles - MK is the only character that counters hard ICs , so eventually people have to pick up MK if they wanna beat ICs - Furthermore more characters can beat MK such as Marth , Falco , ZSS , Olimar , Snake , Pikachu , Diddy Kong and more can go toe to toe with MK. Problem is that all of them get shutdown by ICs. - I would even say Icies was the main problem that lead to Meta Knight popularity.
MK was completely dominant, with ban discussions being centered around him, before people mastered icies. Before icies were a problem. It actually took a while before popo and Nana were meta. I remember reading debates fairly late into brawl's life from people who claimed that icies would never fulfill their potential, because their combos "straddled the line of human capability." I remember being surprised when people broke that barrier and made icies truly cancerous. It was big news. And all this during a time where every character's placement on the tier list was determined by how well they did against Meta Knight. So no, Meta Knight was definitely the main problem. It's just that if he wasn't, icies would be. The game had two major problems. Along with tripping.
It's not even that they "picked up" MK. the character is so broken a brick could mash buttons and win with him. Every player just picked up a controller and boom god tier
@@Professor_Wisteria_ Metaknight's results don't actually reflect the idea that playing him is a free win though. Out of 6 Apex's for Brawl he only won 2.
DACUS is in RoA btw, such a sick mechanic so I’m glad it gets love in places like that or PM as I’ve heard. Also thank you! Brawl wasn’t so bad, was just ruined by Meta Knight, Icies, Tripping, etc. It had issues but it was cool and different.
I wish I could go back to age 9/10. God damn were these good times with friends! When I got Ultimate a couple years ago, I felt the same level of joy, playing with a friend. :’) Anyways
Heew’s content is seriously amazing. I really hope you check out his other “Broken” videos. If I had that eShop card, I’d just buy a bunch of stuff from the Wii U and 3DS shops before Nintendo goes full-on Nintendo.
During my first tournament when i was 13 i beat a 30 year old smash ganon veteran. It was my first game in tourney and i just crushed him by spamming tornado and dair over and over again he was so mad. It wasnt close. I only had played smash for 4 months he had been playing smash for years. Thats how OP meta knight was and how bad ganon was.
Heeew is honestly a really great content creator and I’m glad you’re watching his videos now, be sure to watch the rest of the “Smash is broken” series in future videos
Well there are still remainings of the glide mechanic in smash ultimate... That were carried from smash4 and those were carried brawl Fun fact : ridley has in his files data of the removed glide mechanic and people think this is because charizard was probably used as a base to make ridley
It’s really hard to tell because of how different the mechanics are, but MK would probably annihilate Bayo, who would in turn destroy whatever character we used to represent Ult.
Brawl is what got me into the smash series and how I found melee actually. I remember buying a knockoff GameCube controller and playing the black falcon skin with the Doom tag to be like old school S2J. GOOD TIMES Also, I’d buy Xenoblade 3 and as well as Jackbox Party Pack 8 for me and the fam
Brawl is an awful fighting game but a pretty great party game, and thats what they wanted. The inclusion of tripping let's you know they really didn't want an competitively viable game. Which gave birth to project m so I'm not complaining
Yeah, as someone who grew up playing Brawl when they were younger, even I have to admit that it simply isn’t a very good competitive fighting game. That’s obviously why Project M was created, but it was actually quite fun as a casual party fighting game and the Subspace Emissary was pretty dope.
Fun Fact: Brawl Meta Knight is the only character in the entire series that can circle the entire “Temple” stage. When I mean circle, I MEAN THE ENTIRE THING. If thats not broken idk what is
I'd used the eShop card to buy and download games for my Wii U and 3DS. There's plenty that I miss since I had my DSi stolen. Brawl had its great things. Me and friends would play it for fun. Watching this made me realize that many things really affected it in the competitive scene. I'm sure that in the future, there will be a "How broken was Ultimate" video, with the lack of Waluigi being one of the reasons.
(10:40) Even SSB64 and Melee were patched through regional releases or re-releases, and then of course Smash 4 and Ultimate were patched through updates. Brawl is the only game not having any patches in any form.
Brawl was my first smash game, it was a lot of fun, I remember I started using Yoshi, then Meta Knight, and then Link(at that time I didin't play that "competitive")
Dapuffster and his "Brawl Tutorial Video" was my introduction to the concept of "competitive Smash Bros" as a casual player and I have learned many techniques/strategies from it!
"if they would have gotten rid of Meta Knight, Icies and trippping, it would've been great." That still leaves Olimar, Diddy, and the insanely slow speed. It was to the point you could tell which game someone primarily played by how they reacted to Smash 4's speed, one of the more complained about aspect of it. 64/melee players thought it was glacial; Brawl players thought it was *blazing.*
Competative game aside, gliding with Meta Knight and Pit was a blast. Super OP recovery, but when you're not taking the game seriously or playing Sub-Space Emissary, covering that much space a simple 360 stick rotation was my favorite unique mechanic in that game.
I would buy the mario kart dlc because it looks like a really fun time with lots of value. These videos are my favorite! Can’t wait for a potential reaction to the melee and 64 ones
I honestly absolutely love brawl, was my first smash game and i still own it to this day. If I had that eShop card I would buy Xenoblade 3 or probably Bayonetta 3 when they come out xD
Dededee is the only character in any fighting game that legitimately has a 100-0 matchup. The matchup is so ridiculously bad that, if two players of equal skill fought, Dededee would win every single time without fail. And he has more then 1. He was truly the low tier slayer.
Apparently snakes up tilt is like that because his model was supposed to be bigger. Which btw would’ve been funny because his head would be like in the battlefield platform.
When I was 8 years old, when I went to my cousins house we played brawl every now and then and I knew nothing about the game but I had a lot of fun. Now I have ultimate and I see this game and think how the fuck was this ever okay
I definitely enjoyed watching these "broken" videos of Smash when Heew uploaded these when they did. I'm sure the Ultimate ones will have some badly aged parts, with the updates that patched out silly things, like infinites as they get discovered. Or maybe some never got patched out as they forgotten them, who knows. Now if I had the $100 eshop gift card, it would definitely be used to buy whatever game is left on my wishlist. And perhaps some DLC on the 3ds and Wii U games while I'm at it.
Random fun fact: DACUS made it into Smash 4 at launch, but was sadly patched out in version 1.0.4. It was patched out so early on that the Wii U version had yet to release!
Meta Knight is the person you picked when you were 9 years old because he was cool and edgy and then somehow ended up beating your older brother because you didn't realize how broken he was
Let's be honest: half of the subspace emissary was Meta Knight (Halberd or whatever) Also there's another thing to note here: Ganon is useful for Boss Battles Mode As The High Amount Of Damage That Can Be Done Like Sephiroth's Classic Mode in Ultimate.
Brawl has a special place in my heart. At the time it was the smash I'd played the most and I have a lot of fond, and frustrating, memories of this absolute mess of a game.
I would say even more absurd than MK's Uair coming out on Frame 2, which is absurd, was that it *ended* on Frame 13. Meaning the second Uair came out on (essentially) Frame 15. Also, as someone who's only foray into Smash tourneys was during Brawl and attended a few Apexes, I always appreciated seeing Hbox showing visible hype for Brawl matches at those tourneys. Obviously, no one *had* to enjoy playing/watching Brawl, but with so much venom directed toward SSBB from SSBM players at the time (and some also directed back), it was refreshing to have a top, primarily Melee player also get excited by seeing top players face off in our game.
In brawl some of the best characters to fight meta knight were Marth, Pikachu, and Ice Climbers. They weren’t winning match ups, but Pika had an infinite, so did icies, and Marth had grab release into dair (which only worked on mk). However that made the game plan revolve around grabs, or pikas up b on the ground, and the ground isn’t something that mattered to mk.
"Brawl is Broken" is one of my favorite Smash Bros videos in general. If I had $100, I'd probably buy some DLCs I want like the Animal Crossing and Mario Kart 8 ones, and some games I'd like to play on the go.
Quick story on snake in brawl his model was supposed to be bigger but they went with a smaller model so the hitboxes carried over to the smaller model probably because of time
I don't know if this is 100% true, but there was speculation that the reason why Snakes up-tilt in brawl was that massive was because he was being designed originally as a big body, like around Ganon size, but something happened that might've caused him to get a smaller body, but they forgot to adjust his hitboxes as a result.
He's already very close to Ganon size, and that wouldn't explain the up tilt hitbox if he was as big. If he was even bigger, he would look ridiculous. Along with that, none of his other moves have this issue. My best guess is that they were either worried about the move not having a good range so they overcompensated or the original animation had him fully extend his leg out but they changed it because it looked odd.
I have a friend who I commonly fight in brawl. I main Ganon and he mains MK. It's the worst experience I can ever imagine. For the card giveaway, I'd likely buy Ultimate and a DLC character.
Man, I'm a newcomer to the smash community but I went to NCSU with PPMD, I literally got brawl on Feb 2 lol. Melee was my last smash game before that, so I've been BINGING your videos. Thank you so much for being a pillar of knowledge for so long, because I can draw on it now 💜💜💜 Also, I'd use the card for Metroid dread and a year of online 😅
with the eshop card I would Buy kirby forgotten land and Nintendo switch sports, both coming from the new direct which I have been anticipating for a long time.
Hungrybox: This game introduces stupid recovery! Me (and Mockrock): Hey Hungrybox, you do realize that you play Jigglypuff in Melee right? (shows off him using pound to recovery stall until grabs melee ledge) Okay, just checking
They forgot Knockback cancelling. If you took heavy knockback then using your fastest attack repeatedly would slow your momentum down. and allow you to live well past the point when it would normally kill. .. It benefitted everyone except Snake who didn't have any fast enough aerials, but benefited Meta Knight the most and made him survive a heavy hit better than Bowser could survive the same hit... Meta Knight survived getting raw F-Smashed better than superheavies.
This is how you play Brawl: You can pick any character, if you; stand still, crouch, walk, attack, jump or grab ledge. You're automatically DQ'd!! You can only run, first player to "Trip" WINS the set!
Oh and Charizard’s down air was much stronger as a meteor smash in Brawl than Ultimate. Another thing too is the back-airs for Charizard were more snappy than in Ultimate.
Subspace... Brawl did introduce a lot. I like Tripping as an RNG Mechanic on moves or just guaranteed but maybe works only once or maybe only on a sweetspot or something... It could be a nice addition to some characters. Maybe more... If Brawl was patched in a good way certainly could be an interesting game... Although maybe only Mods can do that now.
I will say, brawl being INCREDIBLY slow in terms of having so much recovery, etc, made it really fun from an extremely casual perspective, especially with characters like Lucario that could actually use it and scale rather than being stuck dying at 60%. Obvs not amazing for competition but it could be braindead fun.
Meta Knight is a 9.9/10 character
He just needed that Spanish voice actor from the anime to make it a perfect 10
Smash 4 bayo> Brawl metaknite
@@SoggySlopster objectively wrong
@@SoggySlopster no
@@SoggySlopster nowhere near
@@SoggySlopster Did Bayo have 5 jumps and infinite glide with I-frames on her best move?
Metaknight is the character you would make when playing “pretend” when you were a child
My friends always used to challenge me to figurine fights at my house, and I’d always lose because I was too humble to * dodges you *
"I went back in time and- and stopped you"
"When?"
"Just now :3"
I still remember the official strategy guide for Brawl, which gave each character a rating. In the guide, Metaknight was listed as essentially a mid tier, maybe upper mid tier. Who did the guide think was the best character in the game? Captain Falcon (who is currently considered fifth worst).
What was this guide and where could you find it?
@@lapplandkun9273 im guessing its a prima game guide
I think they rated the characters based on how they would do in a free for all with items on.
I found my copy the other day. They rated him a 6 lmao. I think Olimar got a 5 or something. ICs a 6. Pretty funny. And they said Fox's laser had hitlag in melee and "now doesn't stun" in brawl. Lmao
Even when I was young I knew Meta Knight was op lmfao
Apparently, the reason for snake's crazy hit boxes and weight was because the character was bigger in development, but then, in the last minute they deemed that it was ridiculous visually so they shrunk him, but he kept all of his properties for moves and weight :o
Oh, Meta Knight. The most OP character in the game and also the “meta”. I see what they did there.
"Clever girl"
meta knight is the best character in the whole series
@@icouldntthinkofaname880 diddy is the best character made, good in every game he was in smash
@@Kara-de5cz I like to think that the term meta as it stands in gaming was inspired by brawl meta night.
@@infinitevortex1369 pika has something to say about it
I remember playing this game when I was a child and had no idea what any of this stuff was because I didn't even know competitive smash was a thing
Same
As a young teenager just playing this with friends, none of this really mattered.
Same. Brawl was my entry point into smash. And I was pissed knowing Kirby isn't broke
FUCKING SAME!
I started on 3ds and when i went to a friends house he had brawl, and i didnt like how slow it was. Actually like brawl more now as a competitive player than i did as a 9 year old
Dacus definitely makes sense. You're cancelling the dash attack with an up smash
ye idk what juan was thinking lol
Dacus' presence in PM is evidence it should've been in melee tge whole time
Dash attack cancelled up smash implies you are cancelling an up smash with a dash attack when in reality it is the other way around. "Dash attack cancelled" functions as an adjective describing "up smash," which basically says that an up smash is being cancelled by a dash attack.
@@zvorakfan2023 it’s not “dash attack cancelled up smash” though. It’s “dash attack CANCEL up smash, as in a dash attack cancel into an up smash, not dash attack cancelling up smash.
@@zvorakfan2023 I thought it was “Dash Attack Cancel Up-Smash” meaning you cancel the dash attack with an up-smash
I remember being young playing brawl casually / “competitively” with my friend circle, but none of us knew anything about the competitive smash scene.
And my one friend picked Meta Knight. And I used to freak out at how broken he was, but my friend called me a hater and argued constantly. None of my other friends seemed to believe it either, even though we’d get shredded constantly.
More than 10 years later I discovered this video and had a good laugh.
Your friend DEFINATELY figured out metaknight was busted and played hella defense
Brawl Ganon is SSS tier. People just haven't found his potential
thank you for your wisdom mr aizen
alright grandpa let’s take your meds
And I don’t think they ever will
He’s f tier in most peoples book
Nah,Melee and Ultimate are better because ultimate Ganon Is stronger and Melee Ganon can troll you out of scenario.
I think the reason why most recoveries were bat shit broken like flying to the stage was because they designed the character's moves for subspace emissary but didn't realize it would break regular play.
3:29 The Ganon’s on their Sunday jog had me laughing
-best frame data
-best recovery
-disjointed attacks
And there’s a song in this game called “Meta Knight’s Revenge”
Sakurai wanted this to happen I bet, to get revenge for the Melee Kirby situation
You didn’t even mention the fact that his very name is what puts it all together
honestly, Brawl Meta Knight is basically canon, like, they just took the canon character and didn't nerf him to match the equalized powerlevel of the game, lmao
@@technoturnovers7072 Makes sense when literally the same year that Brawl came out, there was Super Star Ultra with the mode where Meta Knight tears through Kirby Super Star and summons the strongest warrior the galaxy had ever seen just to have a cool fight to prove how strong he was... and he won. (I know it wasn't canon, but still!)
I like the theory that MK was designed primarily in melee's engine, and then inserted into brawl that way
he'd probably be SS tier in melee too. though a mod that added him sure would be interesting to see
@@Vizaru th-cam.com/video/6dHK2qRvEZ0/w-d-xo.html
@@VizaruBrawl Metà Knight head to head with Melee Fox.
Aerial game vs ground game and Waveshine.
Even though Brawl was a competitive disaster, I still love it. At the end of the day, its a really good party/single player game.
You know what else was a good party game? SSB64, Melee, and Project M. Seriously, I don't get this need some people seem to have where they try so hard to excuse this abomination of a game when there are Smash games that already do everything Brawl does except 10x better. ESPECIALLY Project M.
@@arnox4554 no brawl is the best
pov me breaking my controller after getting chain grabbed to death off a trip
@@arnox4554 Know what I don't get? People who have an aneurysm over the fact people like a game they don't.
@@vocalcalibration8033 I don't care if you like it. That's cool. Just don't say it's a good game.
I swear Nintendo must have been on something to let Meta Knight be this good
The devs had no idea the monster they were creating, literally, apparently they thought MK was a “bad” character, yeah, the devs actually thought the most broken character in smash history was not “good”...let that sink on your mind for a moment
I think I’m an official guild book he’s a 7/10
Ganon is also a 7/10
@@wolfdragox5563 this just proves that UR2SLOW's vids on when sakurai designed characters for ultimate are true
The zaza was too strong
Brawl got me into smash when I was 8 (I'm now nearly 18), so it will forever hold a special place in my heart
Love Heeew's "____ is Broken" videos! I'm glad to see you reacting to them, especially with hindsight of how broken some things were. If I had $100 in eshop funds, I think it would mostly go to different indie games on the Switch.
I love how most of the cast had busted recovery
Then there's Ivysaur. 😭
There needs to be a smash fan game where all the most powerful characters from each game go against eachother with the mechanics from their home game, meta knight with tripping, fox with wavedashing, pikachu with 64’s hitstun lmao, and bayo with… bayo.
I really wish there was a mod where you can put Melee fox, Brawl MK and Sm4sh Bayo into Ultimate. With the same mechanics you described. Hope we get to see that some day!
Honestly... That needs to happen!
@@ironwolf677 I’ve seen someone put something similar to melee’s mechanics into ultimate, so who knows when that’ll be possible.
Bayo with rage and can't cancel meteor smashes
Don't forget smash 4 Mii Brawler
My first Smash exp! I remember DESTROYING my family and friends with MetaKnight, completely ignorant to the meta. Just a wee kid who liked playing as him. This is hilarious. 🤣
Here a few things about brawl and Meta Knight :
- The main reason people played or pick up Meta Knight was because of ICs
- ICs countered/neutralize literally the entire cast cuz you only need one grab and it’s chain grab and it lead to stupid stall battles
- MK is the only character that counters hard ICs , so eventually people have to pick up MK if they wanna beat ICs
- Furthermore more characters can beat MK such as Marth , Falco , ZSS , Olimar , Snake , Pikachu , Diddy Kong and more can go toe to toe with MK. Problem is that all of them get shutdown by ICs.
- I would even say Icies was the main problem that lead to Meta Knight popularity.
Agreed. MK was the effect of the IC's cause.
Icies are top 2 in Brawl, not surprising.
MK was completely dominant, with ban discussions being centered around him, before people mastered icies. Before icies were a problem.
It actually took a while before popo and Nana were meta. I remember reading debates fairly late into brawl's life from people who claimed that icies would never fulfill their potential, because their combos "straddled the line of human capability." I remember being surprised when people broke that barrier and made icies truly cancerous. It was big news. And all this during a time where every character's placement on the tier list was determined by how well they did against Meta Knight.
So no, Meta Knight was definitely the main problem. It's just that if he wasn't, icies would be. The game had two major problems. Along with tripping.
It's not even that they "picked up" MK. the character is so broken a brick could mash buttons and win with him. Every player just picked up a controller and boom god tier
@@Professor_Wisteria_ Metaknight's results don't actually reflect the idea that playing him is a free win though. Out of 6 Apex's for Brawl he only won 2.
DACUS is in RoA btw, such a sick mechanic so I’m glad it gets love in places like that or PM as I’ve heard.
Also thank you! Brawl wasn’t so bad, was just ruined by Meta Knight, Icies, Tripping, etc. It had issues but it was cool and different.
Brawl was 100% broken, duh, but man, this was a LEGENDARY game. Good times with Brawl
Every smash gameis janky.
I wish I could go back to age 9/10. God damn were these good times with friends!
When I got Ultimate a couple years ago, I felt the same level of joy, playing with a friend. :’)
Anyways
Meh, if it weren't for the final fantasy bullshit villain this would be a forgettable smash game.
@@massgunner4152 Oh, like Smash 4?
I think it's fitting that META Knight was the character that defined the meta, he really does live up to the name
Heew’s content is seriously amazing. I really hope you check out his other “Broken” videos.
If I had that eShop card, I’d just buy a bunch of stuff from the Wii U and 3DS shops before Nintendo goes full-on Nintendo.
Despite how broken Brawl was its truly a fun game and they added some great mechanics. DACUS and RARs are awesome.
Meta knight absolutely busted. I remember that the official guide had meta knight as a bad character 🤣
And was banned at tournaments
Considering how much crazy broken stuff was overlooked in this game the fact that the devs weren’t aware of how GoD MK was is not really a surprise
The official guide also thought Captain Falcon was the best character in the game.
During my first tournament when i was 13 i beat a 30 year old smash ganon veteran. It was my first game in tourney and i just crushed him by spamming tornado and dair over and over again he was so mad. It wasnt close. I only had played smash for 4 months he had been playing smash for years. Thats how OP meta knight was and how bad ganon was.
Heeew is honestly a really great content creator and I’m glad you’re watching his videos now, be sure to watch the rest of the “Smash is broken” series in future videos
Who are you his burner account?
@@SoggySlopster when your in a being annoying challenge and your opponent is R M
Nah bro, he stopped uploading a year ago.
Ive spent so much time playing brawl as a kid. It will always have a special place in my heart
I wish Meta Knight was still busted just to see how he'd stack up against Smash 4 and Ulti's most busted directly
Brawl's Meta against 4's Bayo. I'm sure we could make it happen with mods on Ultimate.
Well there are still remainings of the glide mechanic in smash ultimate...
That were carried from smash4 and those were carried brawl
Fun fact : ridley has in his files data of the removed glide mechanic and people think this is because charizard was probably used as a base to make ridley
He’d destroy them lol
It’s really hard to tell because of how different the mechanics are, but MK would probably annihilate Bayo, who would in turn destroy whatever character we used to represent Ult.
@@dc_dachi That'd probably be Pika or Pyra/Mythra (doesn't matter, both still get wrecked imo)
Brawl is what got me into the smash series and how I found melee actually. I remember buying a knockoff GameCube controller and playing the black falcon skin with the Doom tag to be like old school S2J. GOOD TIMES
Also, I’d buy Xenoblade 3 and as well as Jackbox Party Pack 8 for me and the fam
I like how Hbox is so proud of his clickbait game. No Fs given
I legitimately loved playing brawl Lucario, such a fun character and he actually had a combo game
Brawl is an awful fighting game but a pretty great party game, and thats what they wanted. The inclusion of tripping let's you know they really didn't want an competitively viable game. Which gave birth to project m so I'm not complaining
it's a good casual party fighter though.
@@Jdudec367 yeah, party game first.
@@KP_Uravity still both a party and a fighter though.
Yeah, as someone who grew up playing Brawl when they were younger, even I have to admit that it simply isn’t a very good competitive fighting game. That’s obviously why Project M was created, but it was actually quite fun as a casual party fighting game and the Subspace Emissary was pretty dope.
@@HugoSoup57 because it doesn't want to be that
Fun Fact: Brawl Meta Knight is the only character in the entire series that can circle the entire “Temple” stage. When I mean circle, I MEAN THE ENTIRE THING. If thats not broken idk what is
I would buy me the whole Zelda collection on Wii U, hard to believe the eshops are going down so soon. Alas great reaction!
Brawl matches feel like a fever dream. One second, you and your opponent are on even ground, then 30 casual mechanics stub your toes
I'd used the eShop card to buy and download games for my Wii U and 3DS. There's plenty that I miss since I had my DSi stolen.
Brawl had its great things. Me and friends would play it for fun. Watching this made me realize that many things really affected it in the competitive scene. I'm sure that in the future, there will be a "How broken was Ultimate" video, with the lack of Waluigi being one of the reasons.
(10:40) Even SSB64 and Melee were patched through regional releases or re-releases, and then of course Smash 4 and Ultimate were patched through updates. Brawl is the only game not having any patches in any form.
Brawl was my first smash game, it was a lot of fun, I remember I started using Yoshi, then Meta Knight, and then Link(at that time I didin't play that "competitive")
Dapuffster and his "Brawl Tutorial Video" was my introduction to the concept of "competitive Smash Bros" as a casual player and I have learned many techniques/strategies from it!
"if they would have gotten rid of Meta Knight, Icies and trippping, it would've been great."
That still leaves Olimar, Diddy, and the insanely slow speed. It was to the point you could tell which game someone primarily played by how they reacted to Smash 4's speed, one of the more complained about aspect of it.
64/melee players thought it was glacial; Brawl players thought it was *blazing.*
Competative game aside, gliding with Meta Knight and Pit was a blast. Super OP recovery, but when you're not taking the game seriously or playing Sub-Space Emissary, covering that much space a simple 360 stick rotation was my favorite unique mechanic in that game.
I would love to see him react to both Melee is Broken videos
100% beleive is doing them all
I have to go back now! I never knew his cape move could be infinite!
Same here
I would buy the mario kart dlc because it looks like a really fun time with lots of value.
These videos are my favorite! Can’t wait for a potential reaction to the melee and 64 ones
5:54 Halfway in.
I honestly absolutely love brawl, was my first smash game and i still own it to this day.
If I had that eShop card I would buy Xenoblade 3 or probably Bayonetta 3 when they come out xD
Whats funny about snakes up tilt is that the move actually attacks before snake even fully lifts up his leg.
Dededee is the only character in any fighting game that legitimately has a 100-0 matchup. The matchup is so ridiculously bad that, if two players of equal skill fought, Dededee would win every single time without fail. And he has more then 1. He was truly the low tier slayer.
What about Ice Climbers up against Ganondorf?
Apparently snakes up tilt is like that because his model was supposed to be bigger. Which btw would’ve been funny because his head would be like in the battlefield platform.
When I was 8 years old, when I went to my cousins house we played brawl every now and then and I knew nothing about the game but I had a lot of fun.
Now I have ultimate and I see this game and think how the fuck was this ever okay
2:30 I would buy Kirby And The Forgotten Land with my card
Man, Brawl was and still is a good game. I enjoyed it, when Sonic was in, it was wild. But man, brawl was Crazy from the looks of it.
I definitely enjoyed watching these "broken" videos of Smash when Heew uploaded these when they did. I'm sure the Ultimate ones will have some badly aged parts, with the updates that patched out silly things, like infinites as they get discovered. Or maybe some never got patched out as they forgotten them, who knows.
Now if I had the $100 eshop gift card, it would definitely be used to buy whatever game is left on my wishlist. And perhaps some DLC on the 3ds and Wii U games while I'm at it.
I’d probably buy mythra so I can finally be good at the game
Pyra and Mythra, not just Mythra. Pyra and Mythra as separate characters are high tier; together they are Top Tier.
Random fun fact: DACUS made it into Smash 4 at launch, but was sadly patched out in version 1.0.4. It was patched out so early on that the Wii U version had yet to release!
Meta Knight is the person you picked when you were 9 years old because he was cool and edgy and then somehow ended up beating your older brother because you didn't realize how broken he was
Let's be honest: half of the subspace emissary was Meta Knight (Halberd or whatever)
Also there's another thing to note here: Ganon is useful for Boss Battles Mode As The High Amount Of Damage That Can Be Done Like Sephiroth's Classic Mode in Ultimate.
New kirby game, he has a gun, he can duel wield, dodge roll, and stop time. He’s even a car now. He’s like the Rock with how many things he’s doing
I just realized something.
A down tilt that comes out at Frame 3 and can cause tripping?
That describes R.O.B.'s to the letter.
Brawl has a special place in my heart. At the time it was the smash I'd played the most and I have a lot of fond, and frustrating, memories of this absolute mess of a game.
I would say even more absurd than MK's Uair coming out on Frame 2, which is absurd, was that it *ended* on Frame 13. Meaning the second Uair came out on (essentially) Frame 15.
Also, as someone who's only foray into Smash tourneys was during Brawl and attended a few Apexes, I always appreciated seeing Hbox showing visible hype for Brawl matches at those tourneys. Obviously, no one *had* to enjoy playing/watching Brawl, but with so much venom directed toward SSBB from SSBM players at the time (and some also directed back), it was refreshing to have a top, primarily Melee player also get excited by seeing top players face off in our game.
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POV you're at an optometrist and HBox is letting you try out different lenses.
crazy how brawl would genuinely be the best smash if it got good patches.
(by best smash i don't mean competitively, i mean overall)
Hungrybox- There’s gonna a whole section for Meta Knight.
Thanks for the unexpected foreshadowing!
*The community: Wavedash was removed in Brawl*
*Diddy: Hold on my glide-tossing*
"DO YOU REALLY NED TWO BANANAS???"
The only redeeming things about brawl is the character roster and subspace emissary
My online ran out so I'm going to use the money on that, then I'm probably going to see if I can get some games on my wishlist.
Meta Knight is the most elaborate pun ever.
In brawl some of the best characters to fight meta knight were Marth, Pikachu, and Ice Climbers. They weren’t winning match ups, but Pika had an infinite, so did icies, and Marth had grab release into dair (which only worked on mk). However that made the game plan revolve around grabs, or pikas up b on the ground, and the ground isn’t something that mattered to mk.
Just remember that someone beat a Meta Knight as Ganondorf in an OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT
"Brawl is Broken" is one of my favorite Smash Bros videos in general. If I had $100, I'd probably buy some DLCs I want like the Animal Crossing and Mario Kart 8 ones, and some games I'd like to play on the go.
Quick story on snake in brawl his model was supposed to be bigger but they went with a smaller model so the hitboxes carried over to the smaller model probably because of time
Imagine flying across the globe to lose a brawl tournament in grand finals because of tripping.
Every roguelike I can find. Can't get enough of em.
I don't know if this is 100% true, but there was speculation that the reason why Snakes up-tilt in brawl was that massive was because he was being designed originally as a big body, like around Ganon size, but something happened that might've caused him to get a smaller body, but they forgot to adjust his hitboxes as a result.
He's already very close to Ganon size, and that wouldn't explain the up tilt hitbox if he was as big. If he was even bigger, he would look ridiculous. Along with that, none of his other moves have this issue. My best guess is that they were either worried about the move not having a good range so they overcompensated or the original animation had him fully extend his leg out but they changed it because it looked odd.
He's called Meta Knight for a reason
With the e-shop card I would get the new Kirby game and the Mario Kart DLC
I have a friend who I commonly fight in brawl. I main Ganon and he mains MK. It's the worst experience I can ever imagine.
For the card giveaway, I'd likely buy Ultimate and a DLC character.
2:01 I never noticed it
Man, I'm a newcomer to the smash community but I went to NCSU with PPMD, I literally got brawl on Feb 2 lol. Melee was my last smash game before that, so I've been BINGING your videos. Thank you so much for being a pillar of knowledge for so long, because I can draw on it now 💜💜💜
Also, I'd use the card for Metroid dread and a year of online 😅
Meta Knight was the only character I'd use the Wiimote and nunchuck with. Swinging it around as I hit those multi hit moves
Ices, meta knight, tripping, AND snakes up tilt
with the eshop card I would Buy kirby forgotten land and Nintendo switch sports, both coming from the new direct which I have been anticipating for a long time.
The word Meta is literally in his name 😂
DACUS is Dash Attack Cancel Up-Smash, not "Cancelled Up-Smash". So it's a dash attack cancel (into) up smash
No joke I literally played Gone Guru while watching this because of how much PTSD Brawl can give someone with how broken it is
I’d buy the pre order Kirby and buy some games for 3ds and Wii U
Hungrybox: This game introduces stupid recovery!
Me (and Mockrock): Hey Hungrybox, you do realize that you play Jigglypuff in Melee right? (shows off him using pound to recovery stall until grabs melee ledge) Okay, just checking
I KNEW IT. the ledge in FD. we died so many times on that.
I love these videos, glad you reacted to them. As for the eshop card I would put it towards the new Mario kart 8 deluxe dlc
a brawl tournament with no mk and no chain grab allowed would be perfect
They forgot Knockback cancelling.
If you took heavy knockback then using your fastest attack repeatedly would slow your momentum down. and allow you to live well past the point when it would normally kill.
.. It benefitted everyone except Snake who didn't have any fast enough aerials, but benefited Meta Knight the most and made him survive a heavy hit better than Bowser could survive the same hit... Meta Knight survived getting raw F-Smashed better than superheavies.
Didn't Mr. Game and Watch's bucket stop momentum entirely?
This is how you play Brawl:
You can pick any character, if you; stand still, crouch, walk, attack, jump or grab ledge.
You're automatically DQ'd!!
You can only run, first player to "Trip" WINS the set!
Oh and Charizard’s down air was much stronger as a meteor smash in Brawl than Ultimate. Another thing too is the back-airs for Charizard were more snappy than in Ultimate.
Subspace...
Brawl did introduce a lot.
I like Tripping as an RNG Mechanic on moves or just guaranteed but maybe works only once or maybe only on a sweetspot or something...
It could be a nice addition to some characters.
Maybe more...
If Brawl was patched in a good way certainly could be an interesting game...
Although maybe only Mods can do that now.
I will say, brawl being INCREDIBLY slow in terms of having so much recovery, etc, made it really fun from an extremely casual perspective, especially with characters like Lucario that could actually use it and scale rather than being stuck dying at 60%. Obvs not amazing for competition but it could be braindead fun.